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Pakistan: Muslims chop off Christian’s arms after he refuses to convert to Islam

Jul 16, 2016 1:28 pm By Robert Spencer

The authorities don’t believe his story, but authorities in Pakistan generally side with Muslims against Christians.

As for the forced conversion, the  Qur’an famously says that “there is no compulsion in religion,” (2:256), but what constitutes “compulsion” is in the eye of the beholder. The institutionalized subjugation of the dhimma, with its regular humiliation and harassment, from which one can be freed for the simple price of converting to Islam, is not considered compulsion. Remember Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig, the journalists who were kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam — even though their conversions were obviously coerced, their captors made them say that they were converting freely, and the captors probably believed that themselves. After all, the journos could have chosen to be killed instead. Likewise Aqeel Masih could have chosen freely to keep his arms and convert to Islam. Instead, he chose freely to remain a Christian and lose his arms.

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“Lahore: man had arms chopped off ‘after refusing to convert to Islam,'” by James Macintyre, Christian Today, July 14, 2016:

A Christian man in Lahore reportedly had his arms chopped off after refusing to denounce Jesus and convert to Islam while in the hands of fanatics.

According to Legal Evangelical Association Development (LEAD), a Christian organisation in Pakistan, Aqeel Masih, who worked at a petrol station in the LDA quarter area of Lahore, was kidnapped by Islamists before having his armed severed.

“[The] extremists exerted pressure on him to abandon Christianity and convert to Islam,” LEAD said. “Aqeel however, did not give up on his Christian faith and refused to comply with their demand. Notwithstanding…his rebuttal, they chopped off his both arms, and absconded.”

Masih has reportedly filed a lawsuit against the extremists. Yesterday, he appeared at the Ghalib Market police station where police moved him away from inquiring media representatives.

Meanwhile, a senior police investigator told The Nation that three suspects are being held over the incident but the official denied the story about extremists cutting off Masih’s arms because he refused to convert to Islam.

Instead, police officer Ammara Athar claimed that police believed that Masih’s arms were “chopped off in a train accident”.

“The circumstantial evidences do not support the claims of the victim. Apparently, it seemed that the man lost his arms in a train accident,” Athar said. “We have yet to testify the claim of Aqil, we believe his arms were chopped off in a train accident.”

The Nation reported that police sources said Masih is an “addict” who due to a drug overdose went near the train which chopped off his arms.

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  1. Jeff says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    If this man applies for asylum in the West, it should be granted.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jul 16, 2016 at 3:33 pm

      Yeah, add him to the one Christian among the 100,000 Moslem Syrian “refugees” granted asylum and brought into the States. Asylum from what, asylum from who? Or whom. Can’t be too careful when it comes to the Moslems.

      • nicu says

        Jul 16, 2016 at 4:13 pm

        Muslims flee from Muslims – the state they created themselves and they come here to spread it til our countries look like their shitholes !

      • nicu says

        Jul 16, 2016 at 4:14 pm

        Christians are not save in Christian countries cos the pampered Muslims attack them here , too

    • nicu says

      Jul 16, 2016 at 4:12 pm

      they only give asylum to radical muslims without passport !

    • Raja says

      Jul 16, 2016 at 8:06 pm

      Jeff, That won’t ever happen as “this has nothing to do with Islam”. Turning a blind eye to ISLAM IN ACTION FOR YOU would be the best solution to the problem.

      This victim has lost his hands and how can he feed himself? He will be a social security nuisance. But what about Muslims, aren’t they under minority grants etc? Well, it is their entitlement.

      The West is already Sharia compliant so let’s see more of the theater of the absurd!!!!!1

      Jeff, I don’t mean to demean you. Really.

  2. Angemon says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    The Nation reported that police sources said Masih is an “addict” who due to a drug overdose went near the train which chopped off his arms.

    What are the odds that he was on a drug overdose AND managed to go to where the train was AND managed to have only his arms chopped off – no other injuries?

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jul 16, 2016 at 4:11 pm

      The Nation is still in business? I thought history had so discredited that awful rag that they’d folded up shop and went home to the university campuses they crawled out from under.

    • Christianblood says

      Jul 16, 2016 at 5:49 pm

      Anti-Christian and islam-loving America gives Billions of cash, including fighter jets and all kinds of weapons to the barbaric islamic Pakistan and yet it refuses to arm the only Christian militia in the islamic world who want to defend themselves and their people against islamic jihadists in the ME. Shame! Shame! Read more:

      http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260821/dc-refuses-arm-persecuted-christians-fighting-isis-raymond-ibrahim

      • Angemon says

        Jul 16, 2016 at 5:58 pm

        And again Christianblood, the Iranian-apologist and defender of islam, pounces in on another instance of suffering caused by islam to spew his anti-Western vitriol. Utterly sickening, especially coming from someone who claims about the lack of morality in the Western world. Disrespecting the dead? Using the suffering of innocents to further your own agenda? Judging by CB’s behaviour, those are moral things to do – but don’t you dare treat homosexuals think they’re people…

        • Christianblood says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 6:20 pm

          Angemon

          Save me crap! You are an establishment plant who hates Christians
          and have some deep secret support for Saudi Arabia, ISIS and the persecution of Christians and other minorities in the ME and beyond. Now, answer this question for me: Why does America refuse to arm the only Christian militia in ME while it is at the same arming, training and funding various islamic jihadist groups and states in the region???

          Read the refusal here:
          http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260821/dc-refuses-arm-persecuted-christians-fighting-isis-raymond-ibrahim

        • Angemon says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 6:39 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          “Angemon

          Save me crap! You are an establishment plant”

          Is that worse than being the Anti-Christ, like you accused me of being? Anyway, prove it – show me where I defend these alleged establishment you accuse me of being a plant of.

          “who hates Christians”

          I hate Christian so much that I have, on several occasions, *defended* Christians and Christianity on this very forum from asinine idiots who insist that all religions are the same. Where were you when that happened? Oh, yeah, trying to fulfil your daily quota of anti-Western vitriol so you can get your paycheck, cash it and buy enough vodka to forget for a couple of hours you’re living in a s***hole of a country run by a thieving kleptocrat – and spoiler alert, there’s not enough vodka in the world to do that.

          “and have some deep secret support for Saudi Arabia, ISIS and the persecution of Christians and other minorities in the ME and beyond.”

          It must, indeed, be secret – so secret that only you can see above and beyond the ever increasing pile of evidence that says you’re wrong, crystallized in the scores and scores of posts where I decry the persecution of Christians in the islamic world and excoriate countries for having deals with muslim majority countries. That includes Russia and Iran, for whom you not only have exactly zero criticism, you also go out of your way to praise. Imagine that – you, who defend Iran and shia islam, are claiming I, who have nothing good to say about Iran or shia islam, hate Christians. What do you have to say about the persecution of Christians in Iran? Or the persecution of Christians in Russia? Why, nothing – those millions of martyrs never exited in your Kremlin-approved version of history.

          But maybe those mad ramblings actually make sense to you in some way. As Patton is alleged to have said:

          The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 7:15 pm

          “Christianblood” wrote, in reply to Angemon:

          Save me crap! You are an establishment plant who hates Christians
          and have some deep secret support for Saudi Arabia, ISIS and the persecution of Christians and other minorities in the ME and beyond.
          …………………..

          What absolute calumny. Angemon has *never* exhibited a hatred of Christians, and has many times–as here–stood up for Christians victimized and persecuted by Islam.

          And his “deep secret support” for Saudi Arabia and ISIS much indeed be pretty “deep” and pretty “secret”, since it goes against everything he has ever said here.

          It has, in fact, been “Christianblood” who has gloated over Muslims slaughtering Christians and others in the West–most recently, in the wake of the horrifying Jihad massacre in Nice.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 7:38 pm

          Indeed, GI – I believe I struck close to home in my last comments and now he’s just flapping around trying to discredit me, evidence be damned.

        • Christianblood says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 7:46 pm

          Angemon

          In May this year, America resettled 1,037 Syrian refugees and 1,035 of them were muslims and only two of them were Christians!!!!

          See it here:
          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/1037-Syrian-refugees-admitted-in-may-two-christians-1035-muslims

          And in June America resettled 2300 Syrians only eight of them were Christian but the rest of them (2292) were muslims!!!

          See it here: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/u-s-takes-record-number-of-syrian-refugees-in-june-99-muslims-only-8-christians

          Now, if America is not favoring islam and muslims, WHY THIS IS HAPPENING YEAR AFTER YEAR AND AFTER YEAR? WHY?????

          Please don’t tell me it is because of the UN or OIC etc because it is the countries that are accepting refugees who have the last word of what kind of refugee they want to resettle into their countries. I am waiting for your answers! and if you cannot answer them, please remain silent!

        • Angemon says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 8:02 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          “Angemon

          In May this year, America resettled 1,037 Syrian refugees and 1,035 of them were muslims and only two of them were Christians!!!!”

          CB, whose last pathetic, snivelling attempt blew up in his face, is still running around like a headless chicken, spewing out Kremlin-approved anti-Western propaganda. He is now trying to shame the US for not taking in enough Syrian Christians. The thing with propagandists is that they don’t believe what they actually say so they tend to forget know what they say or the responses they get. A good propagandist would keep track of that and know when to change his tune. CB clearly doens’t. He’s already been schooled on this matter:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/u-s-takes-record-number-of-syrian-refugees-in-june-99-muslims-only-8-christians#comment-1470913

          Marisol Enrique says

          July 1, 2016 at 11:30 pm

          The U.N. is in charge of which refugees get to enter America. It has a large MUSLIM voting block of 57 countries (the Organization of Islamic Cooperation or “OIC”), and they have the MAJORITY vote–their mandate says they MUST favour MUSLIMS over anyone else!! That’s why very few Christians or Yazidis or anyone else makes it. Check out the OIC website and you’ll see their mandate is clear as day.

          That post was directly aimed at CB, who not only took notice of it, he *replied* to it, so he can’t claim ignorance. That should be enough to blast his attempted shame into oblivion, but I’m going to take things one step further and rub his face on his own words. I said, many times, that CB is a paid Russian troll whose goal is to spread anti-Western propaganda and glorify Russia – a cursory look at his posting history says I’m right. So the question is, why isn’t CB gloating about the number of Syrian Christians taken in by non-Western nations – specifically Russia? Well, that’s because, according to him, Russia *wants* Syrian Christians to stay in Syria. Don’t believe me? Here it is then, from the troll’s mouth:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/nato-commander-the-islamic-state-is-spreading-like-cancer-among-muslim-migrants-to-europe#comment-1390291

          Christianblood says

          March 3, 2016 at 8:03 pm

          …Russia don’t want these ancient Christians to be uprooted from their ancient lands in the Middle East, Russia wants them to stay there…

          That’s right, Mr. “Shame on you for not taking in Syrian Christians” wants Syrian Christians to *stay* in Syria, where they fear for their lives. So which way is it, CB? Are Syrian Christians supposed to stay in Syria or come to America?

          Oh, and I see you haven’t answered my questions, you defender of islam: what do you have to say about the persecution of Christians in Iran? Or the persecution of Christians in Russia?

        • Christianblood says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 8:02 pm

          Angemon posted

          (And again Christianblood, the Iranian-apologist and defender of islam).

          Hahahaha! This is beyond ridiculous!!! Did you forget to take your (lecheniye) meds today?

        • Angemon says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 8:04 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          “Angemon posted

          (And again Christianblood, the Iranian-apologist and defender of islam).

          Hahahaha! This is beyond ridiculous!!!”

          It is ridiculous that someone in this forum defended Iran or islam, but you have done that. Don’t try to deny it. Oh, wait, you didn’t. Hmmmm…

        • Christianblood says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 8:51 pm

          Angemon posted

          (..The U.N. is in charge of which refugees get to enter America. It has a large MUSLIM voting block of 57 countries (the Organization of Islamic Cooperation or “OIC”..)

          Angemon, you are either a liar or profoundly ignorant or both and this is why:

          As I have said above, the countries that are accepting refugees have the last word of what kind of refugee they want to resettle into their countries. Anyone, who know this, please confirm this to Angemon? I know this or I will not be speaking about this. I repeat, THE HOST COUNTRIES HAVE THE FINAL WORD of WHICH KIND OF REFUGEE WHO SHOULD BE RESETTLED INTO THEIR COUNTRIES. The UNHCR submits different quota of refugees to different countries and the host countries will either approve or disapprove or change those quota of refugee. UNHCR has NO authority to force any country to accept some refugee quota they are not willing to accept. And the so-called OIC has ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY ON REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT PROGRAMS TO THIRD COUNTRIES THAT IS THE SOLE BUSINESS OF the UNHCR ALONE SO STOP LYING AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW. NOW ANSWER MY QESTIONS ABOVE AS TO WHY AMERICA ACCEPTED THOUSANDS OF SYRIAN MUSLIM REFUGEE BUT ONLY 8 CHRISTIAN REFUGEES AMONG THEM. WHY???????????????

        • Angemon says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 9:53 am

          Christianblood, the serial liar who, as I’ve shown, contradicted himself into an indefensible position, posted:

          “Angemon, you are either a liar or profoundly ignorant or both and this is why:

          As I have said above”

          Ah, so I’m “either a liar or profoundly ignorant or both” because you say so. Got it, serial liar.

          “ the countries that are accepting refugees have the last word of what kind of refugee they want to resettle into their countries. ”

          Again: where, if not from UN-run refugee camps, do you think those refugees come from The OOIC has a great deal of influence in the UN on virtue of its 56 member states. Are you arguing that the OIC is going to support sending Christian refugees to the US over muslim refugees’ Absurd:

          http://www.independentsentinel.com/radical-islamic-organization-helps-choose-u-s-refugees/

          The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) aka The UN Refugee Agency is screening the refugees from Third World countries pouring into our country.

          The FBI has told the American people they can’t properly screen them, particularly refugees from failed states like Libya, Somalia,Iraq, and Syria.

          The UNHCR works in full cooperation with The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), an organization of the 57 Arab states. They say they are the collective voice of the Muslim world. The OIC is the largest international organization outside of the U.N.

          Oh, BTW, how many refugees is, for example, Russia taking in? You know, for comparison purposes. You can – and will – rant about the refugees the US is taking in. You can – and you will – WRITE “SHAME ON YOU” IN CAPS. That, however, does not refute what I said, nor does it shows whether or not the US is being lax or not.

          “ I know this or I will not be speaking about this.”

          No, you clearly *don’t* know. Nor do you care. You have your set of anti-US propaganda to spew and you’ll spew it, even if you have to contradict yourself – which, as I’ve shown, you have.

          “I repeat, THE HOST COUNTRIES HAVE THE FINAL WORD of WHICH KIND OF REFUGEE WHO SHOULD BE RESETTLED INTO THEIR COUNTRIES.”

          You can repeat whatever you want how many times you want, troll – who gets to decide the pool of refugees the US get to pick from?

          “The UNHCR submits different quota of refugees to different countries and the host countries will either approve or disapprove or change those quota of refugee.”

          And this is the part where you got your head so far up your own ass (which by itself would be remarkable seeing how “Ex-muslim”‘s head is already there – unless, of course, if the size of his head is proportional to the level of intelligence, cognitive capacities and logical discourse he’s proven to possess) you don’t realize you, in your pathetic attempt to discredit what I wrote, are *validating* what I wrote. Let that sink in for a moment. You go out of your way to say that I’m ignorant, lying, or both. You claim what I said was wrong. And now you’re *validating* what I said. You are supporting the claim I made. You are acknowledging my words. You have discredited yourself even further.

          Like I said, whoever is signing your checks is NOT getting their money’s worth. If there’s any sort of quality control you’ll be fired by the end of the week. Than again, quality control? In a Russian state-run operation? Lol!!!

          “UNHCR has NO authority to force any country to accept some refugee quota they are not willing to accept. ”

          Who here argued otherwise?

          “And the so-called OIC has ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY ON REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT PROGRAMS TO THIRD COUNTRIES THAT IS THE SOLE BUSINESS OF the UNHCR ALONE SO STOP LYING AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW.”

          Actually, you’re the one lying here. In more than one way. Who said that the OIC had authority on that matter? Why, you – when you created this strawman.

          The OIC filters the refugees that get sent to the US – that’s why you see little to no non-muslims.

          “NOW ANSWER MY QESTIONS ABOVE AS TO WHY AMERICA ACCEPTED THOUSANDS OF SYRIAN MUSLIM REFUGEE BUT ONLY 8 CHRISTIAN REFUGEES AMONG THEM. WHY???????????????”

          You’ve had your answer, paid troll – OIC filters non-muslims out of UN refugee programs. That you don’t like it doesn’t entitle you to a new one. Nor does throwing a tantrum like a spoiled child. Now, you answer my questions that you’ve spuriously avoiding. I gave you your own words – you claim that Russia does not want Syrian Christians to leave Syria so why are you feigning outrage (IN CAPS AND ALL) about the refugees the US takes in? How do you justify both wanting Syrian Christians to remain in Syria AND to be taken in by the US’ So which way is it, CB? Are Syrian Christians supposed to stay in Syria or come to America? That, and the other questions you’re trying to avoid, you defender of islam: what do you have to say about the persecution of Christians in Iran? Or the persecution of Christians in Russia?

        • Ex-muslim says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 9:12 pm

          @ Christianblood

          (No offence) but I really think (Angemon) is a fanatical atheist and deeply anti-Christian, homosexual Jew! The Hollywood types that vice president Biden mentioned here:

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-jewish-leaders-drove-gay-012202293.html?ref=gs

        • Angemon says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 9:53 am

          Ex-muslim posted:

          “@ Christianblood

          (No offence) but I really think (Angemon) is a fanatical atheist and deeply anti-Christian, homosexual Jew!”

          Oh, look what “Ex-muslim” tries to pass as insults: calling someone “homosexual” and “Jew” – just the kind of hateful rhetoric we’ve came to expect from paid Russian trolls. And all of that without ever addressing y arguments. Can’t blame the poor bastard, seeing how I trounced his f-buddy regarding the matter of Syrian Christians – CB claims that Syrian Christians are to remain in Syria while at the same time excoriates the US for not taking Syrian Christians in.

          Oh, and isn’t it funny how an allegedly “fanatical atheist and deeply anti-Christian” has done more on this forum to *defend* Christians when they’re attacked by actual fanatical anti-Christian atheists and islamic apologists? Where were you and CB every time that happened? Oh, yeah, spreading anti-Western lies and running apologism for Iran and shia islam. Tsk tsk…

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 9:44 pm

          “Ex-muslim” wrote:

          @ Christianblood

          (No offence) but I really think (Angemon) is a fanatical atheist and deeply anti-Christian, homosexual Jew!
          ……………………………

          Why do so many vile trolls here turn out to be virulent antisemites? (This is, of course, a rhetorical question)

          Again, how is this poster an “ex” Muslim? He hates Westerners and believes Muslims should conquer and mass-murder us, and now he shows his hatred of Jewish people–as well, of course, as the idea that anyone who disagrees with him must, ergo, be a Jooooooooooooo…

        • Ex-muslim says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 10:02 pm

          @ gravenimage

          Was Joe Bidden also an”anti-semite” when he said this:

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-jewish-leaders-drove-gay-012202293.html?ref=gs

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 10:18 pm

          I’ve never been much of a fan of Joe Biden–although he is not nearly as appalling as his boss. Why would I care what he has to say here?

          Does “Ex-muslim” believe that all Americans agree with their politicians? That may be a pose one has to adopt in Dar-al-Islam–one does not have to do that in the free West.

          But the idea, in any case–as “Ex-muslim” has flogged here many times–that allowing gay people to live unmolested is a greater threat than is bloody Jihad terror is ludicrous, in any case.

      • Christianblood says

        Jul 16, 2016 at 7:28 pm

        Angmenon

        Answer me this question:

        Why does America, Nato refuse to arm the only Christian militia in ME while at the same they are arming, training and funding various islamic jihadist groups and countries in the region???

        Read the refusal here:
        http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260821/dc-refuses-arm-persecuted-christians-fighting-isis-raymond-ibrahim

        • Angemon says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 7:40 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          “Answer me this question:

          Why does America, Nato refuse to arm the only Christian militia in ME while at the same they are arming, training and funding various islamic jihadist groups and countries in the region??? ”

          I have exactly zero to do with the American government. Have you read the article you’re linking to or have you, in your typical fashion, never got past the url? What does it say?

          Oh, and asked you a couple of questions, you defender of islam: what do you have to say about the persecution of Christians in Iran? Or the persecution of Christians in Russia?

        • Christianblood says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 7:58 pm

          Angemon

          Please answer the questions that I asked you above and let us have reasonable and objective conversation other wise you are wasting my time as well as yours. Answer the questions.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 8:03 pm

          Christianblood posted:

          “Please answer the questions that I asked you above and let us have reasonable and objective conversation other wise you are wasting my time as well as yours. Answer the questions.”

          I *have* answered your questions over and over. It is *you* who is not answering mine. Let me repeat them for you, you defender of islam: what do you have to say about the persecution of Christians in Iran? Or the persecution of Christians in Russia?

        • Ex-muslim says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 10:17 pm

          @ Angemon

          Stop fanatical hatred of Christians and answer the very important questions that (CB) asked you without diverting them.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 9:55 am

          Ex-muslim posted:

          “@ Angemon

          Stop fanatical hatred of Christians”

          I have stopped. Several times. I took both islamic apologists and morons who claim Christianity is as bad as islam to the task many times. What have you done? Oh, yeah – nothing. You’re the last person on the Human Centipede, furiously trying to convince everyone that CB’s words are the luxurious food of the Gods instead of what they actually are – s***.

          “and answer the very important questions that (CB) asked you without diverting them.”

          I have. You and he are the ones who are ignoring my questions. Here, let me refresh your memory: how do you justify not wanting Syrian Christians to leave Syria while at the same time wanting the US to take Syrian CHristians in? Why do you run apologia for Iran and shia islam?

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 10:24 pm

          “Ex-Muslim wrote, replying to Angemon:

          @ Angemon

          Stop fanatical hatred of Christians and answer the very important questions that (CB) asked you without diverting them.
          ……………………

          Angemon has said nothing anti-Christian here at all, let alone exhibited a “fanatical hatred of Christians”.

          He said that he cannot speak for the motives of this administration–and he cannot.

          Angemon has, in fact, often been quite critical of Obama and his administration. The idea that he is obliged to spout apologia for their policies is just bizarre.

      • Raja says

        Jul 16, 2016 at 8:15 pm

        Chrisian blood,

        I don’t think any one in JW is taking you seriously. You make so much noise about Christian suffering/killings without any thought to the fact that nations with Christian leanings or Christian culture (not so long ago) have a huge problem in hand. They are simply NOT smart enough to put their house in order. How do you expect them to worry about a far off land when they have mammoth problems in hand?

        BTW, you are neither Christian nor have any Christian blood in you as you lack respect for truth which is sadly lacking.

        • Christianblood says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 9:04 pm

          Raja posted

          (..the fact that nations with Christian leanings or Christian culture (not so long ago) have a huge problem in hand. They are simply NOT smart enough to put their house in order. How do you expect them to worry about a far off land when they have mammoth problems in hand?..)

          Then they have to stop backing and arming jihadists like they did in Serbia, Kosovo, Libya and now in Syria and invading other countries to make pro-jihadist regime change.

          Raja posted

          (..BTW, you are neither Christian nor have any Christian blood..)

          That is none of your damn business because my Christianity is between and my creator. Did you get that Raja?

        • Ex-muslim says

          Jul 16, 2016 at 10:21 pm

          @ Raja

          Mind your own business you ignorant moron! You are drifting with the dusty winds and have no any substance or base in your useless judgmental spirit!

          “

        • Angemon says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 9:57 am

          Ex-muslim posted:

          “@ Raja

          Mind your own business you ignorant moron! ”

          How about, instead, mind *your* own business and try to do something constructive with your life? For example, stop being a chronic drunk, take anger management and socialization classes, go to school, learn a marketable skill, get a proper job and stop being a troll paid to defend two of the greatest moral evils of our day and age.

          “Mind your own business”? You’re saying that on a *public* forum? My God, just how imbecile can you paid Russian trolls get?

  3. Myrtle Linder says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    This is the way of the evil of hatred, the difference in love and hate!! With evil: obey or be punished, with hatred for our SAVIOR!!That is not the way of love as with our SAVIOR. LOVE and be saved. If you refuse HIM we do not cut off arms or legs we leave you alone except in caring for you trying to get you saved, so that you can live eternally with JESUS!!!

  4. Ted Tyler says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    Would a competent medical person be able to determine the likely mechanism of dearmitation? Probably.

    Could a competent medical person be found in the entirety of the Islamic world? Probably not.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 16, 2016 at 7:24 pm

      And competence is not the only issue–authorities in Pakistan so often take the side of the Jihadists against their victims. No surprise there.

      • Raja says

        Jul 17, 2016 at 9:25 am

        Gravenimange,

        There is a popular saying about Pakistanis: They lie so much that when they tell the truth you can’t believe them. Of course in this case it is a blatant lie. How was this man’s head saved from being crushed when he stuck out his hands? How was this man’s body dragged under the train if he really stuck out his hands?

        Their system based on Islam is so evil that he is half the value of other citizens. He will never get justice in Pakistan because it is so skewed in that land. What are the human rights’ professionals’ doing in first world countries? or is it that Pakistan is untouchable?

        • Raja says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 9:30 am

          Sorry for the typo error: It should read: How was this man’s body NOT dragged under the train if he really stuck out his hands?

    • Lucretius says

      Jul 16, 2016 at 8:50 pm

      I think one can tell from the picture alone that it’s impossible his arms were chopped off by a train running over a track. The stubs are too short. If he lost his arms lying down in a stupor with his arms stretched over his head, what’s left of his arms shows that could not have been how it happened. The my elbows reach level with the top of my head. And in what other position could he have maximized the exposure of his arms? The only way to increase exposure would have been for him to lie on his belly and crane his neck back to get his head out of the way as the train passed, and such a posture can only be held on purpose, not in random placement of the arms in a drug stupor. And what a nap that would have to be, with the train rumbling and roaring nearer and nearer! Absurd.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 16, 2016 at 10:12 pm

        Good points.

  5. boakai ngombu says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    no pluralism allowed, diversity is not encouraged, unity is mythical, when the slaves (Muslims) of the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) walk about

    vigilance is required; indolence is too expensive. keep the low-level hum of suspicion permeating their every day. EXAMINE the mosques. keep tabs on the imams. and for sure check your political, business, academic leaders to check their undertable corruption

  6. gravenimage says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    Pakistan: Muslims chop off Christian’s arms after he refuses to convert to Islam
    …………………..

    This poor man.

    And of course Pakistani officials are ignoring violence against the threatened Christian minority. How often have we seen this?

  7. Westman says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    Take your arms and hold them straight above your head. Look at the picture and see where the arms are severed. Then explain how the arms were severed by a train without also crushing the head. The train story is another fabrication to hide the real nature of fundamental Islam.

    • Politicallyincorrectistruth says

      Jul 17, 2016 at 3:41 am

      You missed the point that if he lied in between the tracks with his arms to the side ( one arm over each track) that would be about the right distance.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Jul 17, 2016 at 9:27 am

        You wrote – “if he lied [sic – lay] in between the tracks with his arms to the side ( one arm over each track) that would be about the right distance.”

        Or if someone had *tied* him there so that the train when it passed would cut his arms off.

        Maybe he was *doped* and then tied to train tracks? Maybe *that* was how his arms were cut off.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 17, 2016 at 4:31 pm

          It is not impossible that his arms were cut off by a train, DDA–but as several posters have pointed out, the logistics would have been very difficult.

          I think it far more likely that a machete or other very large knife was used.

  8. UriahB says

    Jul 16, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    A train did it ? R they serious? I think its obvious. The entire world has gone mad with a few exceptions. O yea .A panel truck drove itself in Nice. As RS so eloquently points out….”WE ARE AT WAR”. Period. End of discussion. I hope that Trump has picked a winner. I hope that Hell a ry goes to jail. And I believe in Santa Claus.

  9. Politicallyincorrectistruth says

    Jul 17, 2016 at 3:42 am

    Look how old the scars are….must have been a year ago.

  10. mortimer says

    Jul 17, 2016 at 5:27 am

    Will the interfaith dialogue continue to assume this behavior is an ABERRATION, rather than normative Islam?

    Will the interfaith dialogue continue to avoid the doctrine of AL WALAA WAL BARAA (the hatred of dirty kafirs for the sake of Allah)?

  11. RJ says

    Jul 17, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    Would YOU let a Muslim or Muslims live with you in your home ?

    Would Hillary and Bill Clinton ?

    Many remain peaceful until their Imam becomes radicalized…

  12. Adib Ataalla says

    Jul 18, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    THIS IS HAPEENED DAILLY AND USA HELP MUSLEMS TOO

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