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Presbyterian Church USA offers prayers to Allah, acknowledges Muhammad as prophet

Jul 1, 2016 7:12 pm By Robert Spencer

The assembled Presbyterians no doubt thought they were being wonderfully open-minded and ecumenical; they did not realize that Wajidi Said was openly proselytizing for Islam. “Lead us on the straight path” is straight from the Fatihah, the Opening, the Qur’an’s first chapter and the most common and oft-repeated prayer in Islam. Islamic scholars identify the straight path with Islam itself.

And in invoking “Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad,” Said sounded beautifully ecumenical himself to the ranked Presbyterians, aglow in their bloomin’ primness, but in reality he was reflecting the Islamic belief that those figures and the other Biblical prophets all actually taught Islam, but their messages were corrupted by their followers to create Judaism and Christianity.

Said’s statement: “The creator of the universe, the most merciful, the most compassionate and the Lord of the universe who has created us and made us into nations and tribes, from male and females that we may know each other, not that we might despise each other, or may despise each other,” is based on the Qur’an: “O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.” (49:13)

He was calling the Presbyterians to Islam. And they were eagerly receptive, of course, not wanting to appear “Islamophobic.” This is what “dialogue” is all about for Islamic supremacists: proselytizing. But Christian leaders cannot and will not grasp that point.

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“Prayers to Allah offered at PCUSA’s General Assembly plenary session (updated),” The Layman, n.d. (thanks to Maurice):

“Allah bless us and bless our families and bless our Lord. Lead us on the straight path – the path of all the prophets: Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad,” and so went the prayer offered up by Wajidi Said, from the Portland Muslim Community, as part of the “first order of business” during the opening plenary session of the 222nd General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA).

Wajidi was taking part in the assembly’s scheduled time of remembrance for those killed in the recent Orlando terrorist attack and those killed last year in the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in downtown Charleston, S.C.

“In the days leading up to this assembly we all know that our nation’s peace has once again been ripped apart by an act of mass violence,” said Heath Rada, moderator of the 221st General Assembly, when introducing it.

The violence, he said, “tore at each of our hearts as it reminded us of too many tragedies and too many victims. We are all touched by the tragedy of violence in some way. Being from North Carolina, I am reminded of the Chapel Hill shooting of Muslims, and I am concerned of course as I recognize that yesterday was the one-year anniversary of the shootings at AME church in Charleston.”

That shooting of Muslims was by a psychopath who was anything but an “Islamophobe.” Note how Said grasps for victimhood status.

Rada said that Stated Clerk Gradye Parsons requested the staff leadership of the PCUSA’s ecumenical and interfaith ministries — Robina Winbush, Laurie Anderson, Rick Ufford-Chase and Laurie Kraus, — “ to provide for us as a first order of business an opportunity to lift up these tragedies that are so much on our minds.”…

Beginning in Arabic, Said then switched to English and prayed:

“Allah bless us and bless our families and bless our Lord. Lead us on the straight path – the path of all the prophets: Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. Peace be upon them all Amen.

“In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful, let us praise the Lord. The creator of the universe, the most merciful, the most compassionate and the Lord of the universe who has created us and made us into nations and tribes, from male and females that we may know each other, not that we might despise each other, or may despise each other. Incline towards peace and justice and trust in God, for the Lord is one that hears and knows everything and the servants of God, the most compassionate, the most merciful, gracious are those who walk in the earth in humility and when bigots and hateful and Islamaphobes address them, they say peace. Peace be upon them and peace be upon Allah.”

The video of the time of first plenary session can be viewed here. The time of remembrance begins at the 6:45 mark and the prayer to Allah starts at the 14:04 mark.

UPDATE: At the conclusion of the afternoon plenary on Wednesday, June 22, the Stated Clerk of the General Assembly, Rev. Gradye Parsons, offered an apology. He said that he had become aware that some had found the prayer on Saturday offensive. Parsons said that sometimes mistakes can be made in ecumenical relationships and stated it was not intentional. “It was never the intention to offend anyone, and we offer an apology to those who were offended.”

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  1. Guest says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    Traitors to Christ himself.

    • Wellington says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 7:18 pm

      Agreed——–and I’m not even religious. But anyone, I mean ANYONE, who maintains that the character of Jesus can be reconciled with the character of Mohammed is either a fool or a liar.

      • Carmel says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 9:01 pm

        …. or a realy great ignorant .

        • Wellington says

          Jul 1, 2016 at 9:33 pm

          Such an “ignorant” would be a major kind of fool.

    • Keys says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 7:30 pm

      Yes, Guest, they are easily fooled by anti-Christ. For a Christian to accept Mohammad as a prophet is blasphemy; it is precisely calling evil good.

      “It was never the intention to offend anyone, and we offer an apology to those who were offended.” Do you think Jesus was spineless; that he did not mean to offend the white-washed tombs, whose fore fathers were murderers of the prophets?

      • Lia says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 2:15 am

        II Thessalonians 2: 11.

        • John Stefan says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 6:28 pm

          Also 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. etc.

        • Mike Proulx says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 3:55 pm

          Thanks John for sharing the scripture from the unadulterated Word of our Lord, many are falling for the Lies which the False Prophet is perpetrating at this very hour and many are believing there are many roads to Heaven.
          They are all gone out of the way an following after there own lust.
          Thank God for His Holy word which will keep us in this hour of deceitful lies.
          We must continue to pray for our youth whom are getting led down this road which leads straight to the pit of hell.
          The day of the Lord is at hand.

      • John Spielman says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 7:46 am

        Any one who has read and understands the Bible would immediately recognize that muhammed was a FALSE prophet and that islam is a doctrine of demons. Paul the apostle stated that Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light to deceive the foolish and ignorant of this world, and that any other “gospel” taught is thus false and that person who expounds it is CURSED!
        muhammed is thus guilty of listening to Satan masquerading as Gabriel,an angel of God and thus his religion is one of Satan’s. This explains all the evil that is done in the nsme of allah, since Allah is the devil.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 11:11 am

          We don’t have to have read the Bible to understand that Muhammad was false. Independent conscience — a spiritual gift — can inform anyone who studies Islam and has not been indoctrinated into it from a young age.

          That said, it’s true that the Qur’an explicitly denies the central tenets of Christianity and the being of the Christ, and the core Islamic texts promote the violent expansion of a social system in which Christianity will gradually be crushed and made to disappear, since Christians will be discriminated against legally and socially; in which it is a crime to proselytize for Christianity; in which there is continual attrition because Christians leave Christianity to escape the discrimination and violence against them.

          The central Christian tenets explicitly denied by the Qur’an: 1) Jesus was God; 2) Jesus was crucified; 3) Jesus was resurrected. The Qur’an also denies the Judeo-Christian view according to which we are made in the image of God, God is in some sense our “father” and we are in some sense God’s children. God’s children share in some fashion God’s creative power. In Islam, by contrast, for a Muslim to create is, in the words of historian Daniel Boorstin, a “rash and dangerous act.”

        • Phil says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 2:03 pm

          They would also see leaders of churches started after the 1500s would join the likes of Arous and Pelagius as heretical false prophets based on scripture, alone.

        • Phil says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 2:04 pm

          Any church started since the 1500s, I meant.

        • TruthWFree says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 3:26 pm

          I totall…the allah god of Islam is Satan.y agree

        • TruthWFree says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 3:28 pm

          I totally agree…the allah god of Islam is Satan….That’s what i meant to say. Did not see the curser jump on me.

    • Champ says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      Exactly, Guest!!

      And this move by the Presbyterian Church is part and parcel of the evil Chrislam movement:

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 11:41 pm

        Thanks for posting this again, Champ.

        • Champ says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 12:54 am

          You’re welcome, Graven. Shahram Hadian offers a *wealth* of information by exposing evil Chrislam.

        • Nick Price says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 3:07 pm

          I can’t even listen to that man after a minute or so. It’s like white noise to me. I hear nothing that makes any sense.

      • Skull says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 2:27 pm

        Nice trailer.
        Here’s the link for the 1:41:41 full length vid:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Br1EH-_1A#t=9.155011

        Enjoy …..

        • Skull says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 2:36 pm

          Yeah alright, stop laughing at my idiot act of posting a link after Champ already put it up. I do solemnly swear to reload pages from now on before writing my posts and then posting my writings. ☺

        • Champ says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 4:42 pm

          LOL!! 😀 …no worries Skull, I do this sort of thing *all* the time!

      • Alex says

        Jul 3, 2016 at 2:19 am

        Thanks for sharing , am an ex-muslim my self and what that pastor saying is the ultimate and crude truth … There is no peace with ISLAM unless we submit to it rules ! Am not religious but with todays corrupted and pointless lost political sphere , the church is the only thing that can point the people to the right direction regarding ISLAMIC false claims and evils teachings …

    • Jack says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 8:28 pm

      I think they’re members of the “Interfaith Movement” which consists of several other denominations, could this be the beginning of the great falling away that the Apostle Paul warned would happen?

      • Ex-muslim says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 12:10 pm

        As an ex-muslim, this so-called (US Presbyterian Church) which is offering prayers to the demonic and hateful Allah, and acknowledging the anti-Christ muhammad as a prophet while ignoring thundreds of thousand Christians are being murdered annually by muslims around the globe is a thousand times worse than the actual muslim jihadists who are murdering Christians in the islamic world and I can’t understand why I am the only one who is noticing this ugly reality. These so-called US (Christians) who are praying to allah and acknowledging the murderous evil mohamed as a prophet are not only my personal enemies but they are also the enemies of the millions of Christians and other human beings who are daily being murdered and persecuted in the islamic world by devout muslims and they deserve to be to taste not only the severest form of persecution and death but also eternal painful punishment that comes from God. These people are PURE evil and they are the True anti-Christ as well as the enemies of the Truth and I wish them evil, death, destruction and eternal punishment from the Lord.

        • Jerry says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 4:33 pm

          La Allah Illa YAWEH ueMohammad bin Sharmutta, bint Jinn
          Rassoul Shaitan

        • Champ says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 5:03 pm

          “ex-muslim” wrote:

          “…and acknowledging the anti-Christ muhammad as a prophet while ignoring thundreds of thousand Christians are being murdered annually by muslims around the globe is a thousand times worse than the actual muslim jihadists who are murdering Christians in the islamic world and I can’t understand why I am the only one who is noticing this ugly reality.”

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Really …”a thousand times worse than the actual muslim jihadists who are murdering Christians in the islamic world”? A 1000 times worse, eh? What rubbish! Wow your thinking is beyond flawed.

          Yes, what some of these Christians are doing–by embracing islam & allah–is without question profoundly wrongheaded and evil, but it’s certainly NOT ..”a thousand times worse than the actual muslim jihadists who are murdering Christians in the islamic world.”

          This assertion is ridiculous and a gross exaggeration and inaccuracey–since murdering people in cold blood trumps the wrong you’re pointing out regarding said US Presbyterian Church. What this church is doing is wrongheaded, but they would *never* be charged with murder and mayhem and face the justice system like a murderer does for their crimes.

          No wonder you’re “the only one who is noticing this ugly reality” …because it simply isn’t true!

          And you acknowledge being “the only one”, so that should also tell you something about your flawed line of thinking. Stop lying to yourself, and especially to us, here. Stick with the facts of the matter.

        • Chris Malan says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 12:45 am

          @Ex-muslim You are right. Appeasement is one of the tenets of political correctness. The principles of political correctness are holy cows in the Western World. Nobody can say anything contrary to them and not be branded as a Nazi, racist, sexist or whatever. Political correctness and reality are not compatible. As you say, the Jihadists at least do what they do openly and don’t sail under a false flag. Politically correct Christians are too stupid to know they are doing the work of the enemy while sailing under a Christian flag. In a way, that makes them more dangerous, in the end, than the Jihadists.

        • TheBuffster says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 4:28 am

          Ex-Muslim, you said: “These people are PURE evil and they are the True anti-Christ as well as the enemies of the Truth and I wish them evil, death, destruction and eternal punishment from the Lord.”

          Yours is so very *not* the Christlike approach.

          The Christians in that church are very likely people of good will who don’t know much about Islam, believe it *can’t* be the evil as represented by jihadists, haven’t troubled themselves to look into it because they feel sure no religion could be what Islam actually is, and they simply want to “build bridges” with Muslims. These Christians undoubtedly believe what they hear in the mainstream media, that true Islam is peaceful and that groups like ISIS have perverted it.

          They’re acting out of a spirit of Christian good will and brotherhood. And naivete.

          They’re making a terrible error but that doesn’t make them evil. They’re in a psychological and informational bubble. To hate them for that is pretty ugly and anti-Christian. Wouldn’t a Christian living in the spirit of Christ pray for these people to find out the truth – to see their error and get onto the right path?

          Christ told his followers to love their enemies and to pray for them, not to curse them and wish them eternal damnation. The Christians in that church are not even intentional enemies. They’re misguided.

          When you “…wish them evil, death, destruction and eternal punishment from the Lord” you’re thinking like a Muslim, not like a Christian.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 4, 2016 at 11:52 am

          ex-muslim posted:

          “ is a thousand times worse than the actual muslim jihadists who are murdering Christians in the islamic world”

          Gullible idiots who believe islam is a religion of peace are a thousand times worse than the people who are actively murdering other people on account fo.r their religion. Got it

          “and I wish them evil, death, destruction and eternal punishment from the Lord.”

          Ain’t that a Christian thing to wish for… What, it’s not like the Bible says ““You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.” or something like that, right?

    • Jack says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 8:51 pm

      To get this deceived one would have to refuse Yahweh’s Truth, and be turned them over to believe the Liar Satan, we Christians are commanded; not a suggestion but a command not to fellowship especially with anti-Christ people. They’ve been watching Oprah Winfrey too long, I read that she was teaching her fans that there are many ways to get to heaven and Jesus is just one way. I thought the Bible was the only book where you could learn about Jesus, maybe Yahushuah [Jesus] made an exception for Oprah, I’m kidding.

    • abad says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 1:08 pm

      Jesus was NOT “just a prophet” as Islam claims – he was God Himself.

      Islam denies Christ is Lord just as Satan denied it.

      The God of Islam and the God of the Bible are NOT one and the same. Never have been, never will be.

      • Mark Swan says

        Jul 3, 2016 at 12:20 am

        The United States of America seems to be coming apart. Even if you live in Britain, Canada, Australia or elsewhere, this fact is becoming increasingly evident around the world. Various international newspapers and magazines report on it. People are sincerely puzzled as to how and why this is happening.

        If you were the “prince of the power of the air,” how would you destroy nations that had once professed allegiance to God? Would your plan look like what is happening in the United States and British-descended nations today? “What Would the Devil Do?” How would he bring about the decline and fall of nations that had once been greatly blessed by God?

        The inspired word of God makes it very clear that Satan the Devil is the actual “god” of this age—of this present human society. If you really believe the Bible and study it diligently, you surely understand this.

        The Apostle Paul described typical, carnal people, “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them” (2 Corinthians 4:4). Later, the Apostle Paul described how such people walk “according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2).

        So, Satan is the one who actually controls many of the thoughts and impulses that beset human beings. Indirectly, Satan controls the media in most situations. For he is the invisible “prince of the power of the air.” In the book of Revelation, the Apostle John was inspired to describe Satan as “that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9).

        Many writers and authorities have described the United States as the “last great bastion” of freedom and Christianity.

        Would Satan set out to destroy the nation that has—in the past—based many of its laws and customs upon the Bible, has promoted nominal Christianity all over the world, and put on its currency, “In God We Trust”?

        Hundreds of articles and even entire books could be cited to show how so much of the modern media has been and is being used to undermine the concepts of patriotism, true religion, the family—and almost every aspect of a decent life! Remember, God’s word calls Satan “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2).

        For Satan is, indeed, in control of this earth’s atmosphere, and he certainly uses the “airwaves” (as we used to call radio broadcasting, and now television) to infiltrate people’s minds continually with anti-God, anti-Christ, anti-Bible concepts. Most of us have not realized how cleverly this is being done, for it has been a gradual process creeping up on us.

        It is like the example of the frog in the pot, which is heated up so slowly that it does not jump out in time! My friends, we are that frog! We are letting our minds be “programmed” by the modern media to slowly yet surely turn against the God of the Bible, against His laws and way of life, against the true understanding of the family itself, against genuine patriotism—indeed, against everything that made our nations great in the first place!

        Is this just alarmist talk on my part? No! Consider the example of National Public Radio. As most of you know, NPR has received partial government sponsorship, and is supposed to be a “mainstream” vehicle to disseminate news and information to the American people. Yet, in May 2009, the NPR Board changed the wording of its media policy to state: “NPR Member Stations shall provide only [emphasis added] nonsectarian, non-political, noncommercial educational content on all broadcast channel(s) and related media distribution platforms such as member partners that use the NPR member brands.”
        That means NPR stations carrying religious programming were to stop such programming as of May 1.

        What about other public outlets? The Station Services Committee of the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS)—another federally funded media outlet—wrote that it “places a high value on presenting diverse perspectives, as opposed to rigidly adhering to any single political or religious point of view” and that even allowing a few different religious views to be aired would privilege some over others and “would cause the public’s trust in PBS to erode, along with the value of the brand.” Since this change was instituted, many religious programs featured on member stations have been “axed”! Slowly but surely, Satan is removing all reference to the God of the Bible, unless God is portrayed in a worldly and usually an outright negative manner. The great nation of America—which formerly called itself a “Christian” nation—has turned its back on its
        God in stubborn, willful disobedience. Meanwhile, Americans are letting the “heathen” flourish in their various expressions of religion and philosophy, even while they often persecute any genuine Christians.

        The U.S. was a blessed nation. Americans held their heads high. People were eager to back their leaders, to keep the nation strong and unified. During World War II, and for years afterward, news broadcasters on national radio and later television nearly always sounded a loyal theme. They did not always agree with everything that was done, but you could sense that they were all for America.

        Americans have been able to sing about the “land of the free and home of the brave.” It should help you profoundly understand why the song “God Bless America” talks about the nation extending “from sea to shining sea.” Truly, the Americans and all the British-descended peoples should be very thankful to the great God who gave all these blessings—and the peoples of these once-great nations should humbly repent of all selfishness and rebellion and turn back to the true God with all of their hearts!

        Satan is doing a masterful job of confusing the ministers, intellectual leaders and educators of our nation about true religion. He can very cleverly make morality seem passé. He can make the clear distinction between right and wrong seem very “fuzzy” so that morality and deep respect for law and authority are slowly obliterated. Satan is making true religion seem “out of date” and even obsolete to our peoples!

        Hundreds of articles and books have come out in the last few years attacking God and the Bible! More and more, our political and even religious leaders are edging away from a clear description of faith in a personal God—especially a God who sets forth laws and a way of life. If there is any mention of “God” at all, it is of a vague concept, far from the true God of the Bible.

        We can see this very clearly. Remember how, when America was attacked at Pearl Harbor back in 1941, President Franklin Roosevelt concluded his impassioned speech to the Congress of the United States by stating, “We shall gain the inevitable triumph, so help us God!” The idea of a real God was much more prevalent at that time, and was instilled in the moral fabric of the entire nation—through schools, families and other community institutions. All of that is quickly disappearing.

        When World War II began, even those who disliked President Franklin Delano Roosevelt came together in a powerful sense of unity. For he was our President and we knew we had to hang together, love our nation and pray to God that He would deliver us from this terrible threat posed by the Axis powers.

        Today, America’s political leaders—and many leading educators and figures in the media—tend to “waffle” here and there about anything patriotic. President Barack Obama has even been apologizing—over and over—for what America has done in the past! America’s leaders appear to be ashamed of the great blessings that God has given their nation, and of the victories that He gave in World War I, World War II and through many other terrible trials. Many Americans have lost their national sense of purpose, their deep patriotism—and their deep respect for the God who made all of this possible

        • eagle says

          Jul 3, 2016 at 9:13 am

          Mark Swan, you are so right on the truth!!! The constitution clearly states there will be separation between church and state. This country elects a Muslim president. Where is the separation between church and state with the Muslim cult???? This country has been eroded all the way to the garbage can. We need to get Trump to office. And we must make him keep his word. This written by a fellow patriot:
          خَليفة says
          July 2, 2016 at 3:09 am
          Here is the solution to Islamic jihad:
          Declare war on jihad. ( so war powers can be used ) Get multiple countries to sign a treaty. The treaty agreement is that whenever there is an Islamic attack in any of these countries, each country will destroy a random mosque within their borders. With each attack the number of mosques to be destroyed doubles. “Retaliation” events would also count as attacks. You get the idea. After 5 attacks that would be 16 mosques To be destroyed in each country. Such a treaty would stop attacks or destroy all mosques. The law should also provide for the deportation of family members of terrorists ( from grand parents to grand children and all uncles and aunties and cousins in between ) And also permanent future banning of ANY entry into country by terrorist’s family as described above. If they are here, kick them out, if they are not here, never allow them to enter. With this, any would be terrorist would know his family would be deported, and those not in USA would never be allowed to enter.
          Great thoughts, great mind. I like this. Keep this idea going, maybe we can get legislation to accomplish this. I am saving a copy for future reference when we get this dear Muslim leader the hell out of the oval office. Congress needs to move this forward. I wonder if there is any congress member with enough intestinal fortitude to read this. Ted Cruz could be one?

    • Rob Porter says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      What a pitiful, ignorant crowd of Presbyterians! Their prayers to Allah went to a satanic god and bounced off the ceiling.

      • aaron morand says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 6:56 pm

        the PCUSA also were very vocal re chastising Israel by monetarily crippling them…
        divestiture, etc…..We all know that satan is alive and well in the various denominations
        of the Christian churches…preaching in the pulpit…..calling evil good and good evil….
        Every Christian Must Stay Alert…..that evil one goes about as a hungry lion seeking
        to devour the unaware, the gullible, those who WILL NOT call evil…EVIL and Speak
        UP for the Only Way…Christianity…..Not the Ritual…Not Works…Not Head Knowledge..
        but FAITH in the ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE>>>>>>>JESUS<<<<<<<the Only
        Begotten Son of the Father with who the Father is well pleased and who sits at the
        right hand of God the Father, the right hand of Power and Authority…..You better get
        your facts straight PCUSA or YOU will spend eternity with your new friends the Muslim/
        Islamists who Deny The Truth of the Love of God……Glory to THE LAMB forever………

    • MS Case says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 10:49 pm

      Any church that upholds Muslims like this and allows Muslim.prayers that class Ellsworth the great “I AM”…Yahweh is doomed.

      • MS Case says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 10:54 pm

        Don’t know wehere Ellsworth came from?????? SHOULD HAVE BEEN class allah with the Great “I AM” (as God told Moses to tell the Children of Israel who he was) Yahweh…

    • Dottie says

      Jul 24, 2016 at 5:19 pm

      This has absolutely nothing to do with ignorance. This is evilness. The PC-USA is a liberal organization and I hate that my church was forced to join it in the 70s. Because of the recent acts by the PC-USA I can no longer support or give funds to my church.

  2. mustapha crap says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    What a revolting treacherous display of utter ignorance and wilful Dhimmitude, These Presbyterians are swallowing the Islamic lies hook line and sinker, they are beyond hope, and will still be proposing interfaith dialogue as the Jihadist knife severs their throats. UNBELIEVABLE!

    • Jack says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 8:34 pm

      Not only Presbyterians but other denominations that are members of the “Interfaith Movement” they are welcoming other religions besides anti-Christ Islam.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 12:17 am

        Other religions are not really a problem. You may or may not believe their tenets to be true, but they do not preach evil and they are not going to enslave and murder us.

        • DFD says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 7:09 am

          Graven,

          You have to hand it to Muslims, they are experts at deception. But then, they worship the ‘greatest of deceivers’, don’t they?

          Best to you

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 11:08 pm

      The United Methodists are their soulmates in this crap

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 12:18 am

        Yes–many Christian denominations are succumbing to this suicidal foolishness.

        • John Spielman says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 7:49 am

          Yes, and Christ is purifying His bride(the church) before He returns. These liberal antichrist denominations are dying fast and will be gone in twenty years

        • abad says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 1:21 pm

          It’s definitely a denominational hierarchy problem.

          For years I’ve always had a great deal of respect and preference for small (the smaller the better) non-denominational, Bible-based Christian churches.

          They don’t have to put up with this politically correct nonsense so prevalent among larger denominations. And I know a LOT of people who have left denomination-based churches. I think that with the exception of the Baptist church, small non-denominational churches have the next highest-rate of Born-Again Christians (but don’t quote me on that; I am just going by those I know who’ve gone that route).

        • Bob says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 5:24 pm

          Good ol’ fashioned evangelism isn’t found overmuch in churches today. So the congregations’re left prey to every cult around!

  3. linnte says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    I tried really hard to hear the whole thing but just couldn’t! Knowing Said is there like the snake in the Garden of Eden! How DARE he!!!?! And these people officiating are the LEADERS of their churches? I think their hearts re in the right place, but their minds are GONE! Don’t they take the time to read Islamic texts??? There is no excuse for it. Firing off an email to these people today!

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 11:12 pm

      No,their hearts are NOT in the “right”place,but in ALL the Wrong Places
      Their “religous” pedegree gives them a “credibilty” that the Presbyterians Do NOT deserve.
      They are MORALLY INFERIOR to Evangelicals ,that’s ,for sure.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 12:19 am

        Presbyterians are not a problem in and of themselves–it is their being fooled by Islam that is the problem.

        • abad says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 1:31 pm

          I’d go further to say the Presbyterian leaders who are being fooled by Islam as I do not know if that church’s laity are necessarily fooled. You know, kind of like the Pope and Catholic laity.

    • abad says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      Don’t forget to tell them Jesus explicitly stated one cannot serve two masters (in this case, Jesus and Allah) (Matthew 6:24) because it cannot be done

      • Carolyne says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 1:47 pm

        When Moses came down from the mountain and found the people worshiping golden calf, didn’t he destroy it? When these Presbyterians prayed to Allah, they were praying to an idol, the same as the people were doing while Moses was getting instructions from God. They can pray to a lampshade and get the same results, While I don’t believe in religion, the Presbyterians are directly disobeying the word of God to those who believe.

  4. Singh the Sikh says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    The moronic mob. Enablers of jihad and apologists for Islamic terror. Their vile actions are not only an insult for the victims of terror, but a threat to the lives and safety citizens. They are the enemy within.

  5. somehistory says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    My father was Presbyterian and we went to the church every week way back when.

    This is so very disgusting. Feeding and drinking, sharing the table with demons.

    How about if the True Creator and His Son, Jesus Christ, feel “offended” or insulted?
    Have there been any prayers to The True God asking for forgiveness for this most egregious sin and offense against God?
    Asking for those offended to understand *no harm was meant* won’t get the *leaders* very far along the *right Way* into life.

    One “cannot serve two masters” and these are words from The Master, Christ. (Matthew 6:24)

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 11:13 pm

      Your denomination has been HIJACKED by these Lefties

      • Pong says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 11:52 pm

        Like ISIS hijacked Islam?

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 12:23 am

          *No*. There is nothing intrinsically evil about Presbyterians–it is benignant. They have been fooled that Islam is decent.

          Whereas Islam is *intrinsically* vicious. There is no difference between orthodox Islam and what ISIS follows at all.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 11:53 am

          Pong, we can point out in the core Islamic texts how Muhammad was just like ISIS. Can you point out in the Christian texts how these Presbyterians, in supporting the Islamic belief system, are imitating Christ? If you cannot, then your argument is utterly baseless.

        • JawsV says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 3:39 pm

          No, the Islamic State is following Islam to a T.

          The only things hijacked were planes by Muslims on 9/11.

      • somehistory says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 2:44 am

        It was my father’s choice. I was never baptized as a Presbyterian and don’t consider myself one.
        I did learn a lot as a little kid going there, but I don’t think I would learn half as much now.

  6. Idania says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    The Presbyterian church has always been veery liberal at the national level. Not for me because the local churches have to support them financially and by doing that you are supporting all the liberal ideas you don’t share.
    This time they have cross the line. The God we, Christians, worship do not have anything in common with the devil they worship. Our God talk of love, peace and forgiveness, Theirs is a criminal hateful devil. That pastor is not a Christian. He doesn’t even know what Christianity is about.

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 11:16 pm

      Presbyterians
      Choose NEW Leadership before it’s too late
      Your Church is on the side of The Enemy,TRUTH be told

      • Champ says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 11:12 am

        You’re absolutely right!

  7. PRCS says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    “Islamic scholars”

    HaHaHa!

    Like trying to determine how many angels dance on the head of a pin.

    • Jaladhi says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 8:22 pm

      Islamic scholars = oxymoron!

      Or a Muslim who has read Quran twice!

      Any more definitions?

      • PRCS says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 11:33 pm

        I sometimes wonder how an Islamic scholar reconciles Qur’an with the earth’s actual shape?

  8. somehistory says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    All throughout the Bible, God warned those who were saying they served and worshipped Him, but mixed in the worship of false gods…all of them aliases for satan the devil…that their, adultery, harlotry would be punished.

    God warned about spiritual adultery, spiritual harlotry, and these *leaders* seem oblivious to all such warnings of which they, most of all, should be aware.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 8:48 pm

      Concur.

  9. Jay Boo says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    From their tree’s high perch they chirp to confuse and confound.
    But don’t despair.
    The truth like a sledgehammer at the rotten roots relentlessly pounds.

  10. JMB says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    In the meantime the quite significant numbers of Christians in Syria, Egypt, Turkey and most of North Africa are suffering dreadful persecution under Islam. Was this addressed at this interfaith conference, somehow i doubt it very much.

    • Jack says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 9:02 pm

      No it wasn’t JMB and the Christian numbers are shrinking daily, I subscribe to “The Voice Of The Martyrs” in a story I read a few months back this young nursing mother’s husband was murdered by Muslims, they burned her house, cut off her breasts and left her and her baby to die, of course they wanted the baby to starve to death, but some Christian volunteers in this organization saved them. The only way to describe these people is they’re Demonic and void of any goodness and kindness.

      • JMB says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 9:42 pm

        Hello Jack, I agree with what you are saying.

        Some decades ago my wife and myself used to support Christian based medical work in the Middle East, in particular a maternity hospital. Then all of a sudden Islam began to assert itself and the women could no longer go to a Christian run medical facility.The mothers and babies would face severe punishment including the barbaric treatment you have mentioned.

        You can not reach out to these people (Muslims), they worship a God of fear and darkness via a prophet who is questionable to say the very least. Mainstream churches that try are very deluded and are just following the doctrine of PC and the anti-Israel social justice warriors.

        It should be noted that very few mainstream churches regard modern Israel as anything more than a political entity as opposed to it being an interesting and essential part of Christian theology. As such they regard modern Israel as being responsible for most of the worlds present problems, those in the ME in particular.

        I feel the mainstream churches have got it all completely wrong on this and too many other issues.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Jul 2, 2016 at 12:13 pm

          One can reach out to Muslims, but it’s best to do so with one’s eyes open, not under the illusion (apparently deluding these Presbyterians) that Islam is basically benign. There are certainly Christians with their eyes open who can and do convert Muslims. Such Christians love Muslims, seek to bring them out of Islam and to Christ, and fully understand that Islam is an anti-human, expansionist totalitarian system.

      • Polk1970 says

        Jul 1, 2016 at 11:20 pm

        or,we could refer to them as DIRTY BASTA_DS

  11. Richie says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    and I used to think the Presbyterians were a Protestant (and this Christian) sect.

    Leftists have infiltrated churches of many Christian denominations and have poisoned them be infusing far left political propaganda in place of the gospel of Jesus

  12. Jaladhi says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    This is total crap! These Christians have no idea what Islam is about and they go out call this criminal Mohammad a prophet. If he was prophet then his god allah was equally a big criminal. Just read their teachings in Quran which is hate and murder manual. These Presbyterians don’t know that Muslims will chop off their heads whether they call allah a god or not.

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 8:53 am

      Whenever being on the WRONG side is available to them,,The Presbyterian Church USA,,NEVER has missed an opportunity to HELP the Wrong Side
      Old-Line Presbyterians are showing up every Sunday and one day they”ll be treated to a “Guest Sermon” by another “faith leader”,an IMAM, who will lead them in RESPONSIVE “prayer?
      Somewhere ,in the “prayer” there will be “The Shehada”,Muslim statement of CONVERSION, ,and then the ‘Guest” will Inform the Presbyterians that they are now Muslims and Apostosy is will met by Death
      oh,and he’ll inform them that the after church
      theree will be NO ham on Sunday Dinners. Or ELSE

  13. jewdog says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    The Presbyterian Church has a long history of hostility towards Israel – here’s the latest kerfuffel (not that the ADL is great, but you’ll get the point):
    http://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/ADL-disappointed-with-recent-Presbyterian-motions-against-Israel-457894

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 4:27 am

      True enough. A long history of hostility toward Israel.

      In 2004 members of a Presbyterian Church USA delegation met with members of Hizballah in Lebanon and delegates issued complimentary remarks about the group and against Israeli “occupation”.

      In 2005 the Presbyterian Church USA joined End the Occupation, as in end the Israeli occupation.
      http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=378

      “Despite Hezbollah’s involvement in international terrorism and its designation as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the United States, the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) has had extensive contacts with the organization according to a federal complaint filed by the legal advocacy group, Shurat HaDin, Israel Law center.

      In October 2005, a PCUSA delegation headed by Robert Morley and Father Nihad Tomeh met with Nabil Qaouk, a senior Hezbollah commander in Lebanon. During the exchange, Qaouk complained that U.S. policies in the region were dictated by Israel. It is the same banal complaint often regurgitated by an assortment anti-Semitic groups and conspiracy types. Nevertheless, the delegation, rather than challenging Qaouk, concurred with him stating that PCUSA was blameless because its members had voted for the Democratic Party and the organization was under pressure from U.S. Jewish groups due to its divestment efforts against Israel.

      PCUSA took its anti-Israel political advocacy to new levels when in June 2014, its General Assembly voted by a narrow margin to attack Israel’s legitimacy by divesting itself from three companies doing business with Israel. A similar resolution in 2012 failed but remains testament to the relentless effort PCUSA places on political advocacy when it comes to harming relations with the Jewish State.”

      http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/247057/presbyterian-church-usas-terrorist-ties-ari-lieberman

      Not a long walk to Christlam from there.

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 9:08 am

      Considering Christians in large numbers tour ,Israel ,Israel should BAN ALL Presbyterian Groups.
      who are REALLY there to show SUPPORT for Israel’s Enemies and even to interfere in Israeli Security
      Operations
      Also,time for a US Government Audit of the Tax-Exempt Presbyterian Church USA’s Finances to determine how many Tax-Emept “charitable dollars they are funneling to Jihadis, likely behind most Presbyterians back,written off as “something” else.
      Oh,and they are NOT making any friends for Their Church except Lefty Fools and Jihadis

      • eagle says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 1:21 pm

        Thanks to our dear Muslim leader Obama and our inapt congress, the US government is a sieve for passing money to Obamas Muslim refugee program and anything else he desires. If you do something about this before the election, our dear Muslim leader will declare marshal law, the end of the constitutional law. America will become another third world Muslim country. As far fetched this seems, wait for October – November. The following statement is not mine, however, it is the most truth you will see until October – November: Americans have to wake up. Everyone will be betrayed by Obama, including Democrats. So its time for you to decide. Do we fight to defend our country and the Constitution or do we go along with the rule of a Tyrant and accept my fate ?

  14. Angemon says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    UPDATE: At the conclusion of the afternoon plenary on Wednesday, June 22, the Stated Clerk of the General Assembly, Rev. Gradye Parsons, offered an apology. He said that he had become aware that some had found the prayer on Saturday offensive.

    Huh, no s***, Sherlock,,,

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 9:12 am

      Bet Gradye is really Grady and the Y is to make him look “prominent” and “upper crust”

  15. Veritas says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    Light cannot have fellowship with darkness.

    ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace.

    The chaff is being separated from the wheat.

  16. WillG says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    Just one small problem for foolish – and dangerous – Christians who insist on defending Islam… Yes, Muslims are taught that Jesus did exist. But for them, as there is no Christian God, only Allah, who had no children, Jesus (or Isa) was not the son of God, but HUMAN. He was just another prophet like Muhammad, and a MUSLIM prophet at that. The Qoran teaches that he was not crucified, but when he died he was taken up to Paradise by Allah. Worse still, at the End of Days, Muslims believe that this Isa will return to Earth, not as the saviour of Christian mankind, but as a radical Muslim who will “break crosses” and enforce Islam on every living being. When this is done, he will die and be buried next to Muhammad. It is incomprehensible that any Christian can stand side-by-side with Muslims, knowing that they reject everything that their religion is based on.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 12:26 am

      Yes–not only is the Muslim “Jesus” not the Savior, his role in the Last Days is to *kill Christians*.

      • Polk1970 says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 9:18 am

        And “prove” that ,the Earth is flat after all, and all CURRENT pics of Earth,from Space are FAKES

  17. Bezelel says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
    I could go on and on but the point is there is only 1 Messiah and for all the claims about moHAMed, he is not credited with doing anything but stealing, killing and destroying. And that is the best they have to say about him. Bizzarre Have you ever heard anyone say, moHAMed saves?

  18. Bigrob says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    And this is one of the examples of why I have stopped attending my childhood church. It is a PCUSA affiliated church, and they have been cramming this kind a garbage down our throats for years now.

  19. Jay Boo says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    Satanic Incantations.

  20. Carmel says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    Now , Rev Parsons, can you apologize to me . I feel offended at my turn ……

  21. Richie says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    are there any Christian denominations remaining that have not been co-oped by leftists?

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 9:27 am

      Evangelical

  22. DhimmiNot says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    Be aware that there are a dozen denominations that call themselves Presbyterian. Some are liberal, some quite conservative. The adjective Presbyterian does not define their doctrine but refers to their bureaucratic method of internal government.
    The PCUSA, in this news story, is by far the most liberal and has definitely lost their way. Check their membership numbers; they are in rapid decline.

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 9:36 am

      so you’re saying that it’s not re religious dogma,but how they govern their church, from how the name is derived.?
      So all the Left/Jihadis had to do was seize control of The Presbytery and bingo,they could change the Presbyterian “faith” and they have.

  23. Penny says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    I’d like to congratulate these Presbyterians who have now confessed Allah as their new God.
    Trying to be “nice”, you’ve just accepted the belief that Christ did not die on the cross and the Trinity does not exist. Btw, good luck on leaving your new religion!

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 9:42 am

      and Presbyterian ladies, get your grandaughters, daughters,and yourselves ready for FGM
      The Church will be scheduling appointments

  24. gravenimage says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    Presbyterian Church USA offers prayers to Allah, acknowledges Muhammad as prophet
    ………………………..

    And the West’s suicide proceeds apace…

    More:

    “Allah bless us and bless our families and bless our Lord. Lead us on the straight path – the path of all the prophets: Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad,” and so went the prayer offered up by Wajidi Said, from the Portland Muslim Community, as part of the “first order of business” during the opening…
    ………………………..

    Who have strayed from the “straight path” of Islam? Not Jihad mass-murderer Omar Mateen, but the decent Christians Said was adressing.

    More:

    Wajidi was taking part in the assembly’s scheduled time of remembrance for those killed in the recent Orlando terrorist attack and those killed last year in the shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in downtown Charleston, S.C.
    ………………………..

    Bullsh*t–this was Da’wa, and his damning the Presbyterians he was talking to.

    More:

    Beginning in Arabic, Said then switched to English and prayed:

    “Allah bless us and bless our families and bless our Lord. Lead us on the straight path – the path of all the prophets: Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. Peace be upon them all Amen.
    ………………………..

    In other words, may all these good Presbyterians convert to Islam.

    And what is this traditional “call to Islam” followed by? Why, but murder if those addressed do not comply.

    More:

    “In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful, let us praise the Lord. The creator of the universe, the most merciful, the most compassionate and the Lord of the universe who has created us and made us into nations and tribes, from male and females that we may know each other, not that we might despise each other, or may despise each other. Incline towards peace and justice and trust in God, for the Lord is one that hears and knows everything and the servants of God, the most compassionate, the most merciful, gracious are those who walk in the earth in humility and when bigots and hateful and Islamaphobes address them, they say peace. Peace be upon them and peace be upon Allah.”
    ………………………..

    So the only problem is “bigots and Islamophobes”. Apparently Jihad mass murderers are perfectly Halal…

    Here’s Wajidi Said from thirteen years ago, defending a Muslim Jihad “charity”:

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=20031004&id=LlFWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=qusDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6842,739765&hl=en

    • JMB says

      Jul 1, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      Well said Gravenimage.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 12:26 am

        Thank you, JMB.

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 9:50 am

      So the only problem is “bigots and Islamophobes”. Apparently Jihad mass murderers are perfectly Halal

      It doesn’t get any more Halal
      And beware and ALERT these last few days of Ramadan
      BE EXTRA ALERT this July 4th Weekend,/THIS Weekend

      • linnte says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 11:34 am

        I have been hearing big explosions going off occasionally which is usual in my small town, just before the Fourth of July. But this year, those explosions have an all new meaning since discovering the evil of ISLAM. Stay alert folks! Muslims would never be at a Fourth of July celebration as their allegiance is to Islam only!

        Excellent point Polk

  25. Guy_Montag says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    Presbyterians: this is a pure form of insanity, a will to suicide, and the death and/or subjugation of your children and culture.

    This is a negation of empirical data, and rational thought.

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 9:53 am

      And you cannot even cut a deal sparing your females the FULL DEAL for them starting with FGM

  26. gfmucci says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    Christian pastors and leaders are shamefully ignorant of Islam which will result in an early demise of Christianity in the US. Here is a website on this topic…https://sites.google.com/site/christiansurrenderofamerica/

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 9:58 am

      Some of these “Pastors” may be “Mail-Order” Pastors with NO TRUE ORDINATION
      Remember the matchbook cover ads that one could send away for an Ordination and become a Reverend
      Perhaps this is one of the Left’s methods of FLIPPING RELIGION to suit their IDEO:LOGY?

  27. citycat says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    The religiosity of it all is getting mushy and sick.
    This is Islam at work/war.
    Seems like Christianity is assisting Islam to destroy Christianity..
    What’s that, surrender?
    If Muslims are killed then that is casualties of the advancing Islamic war machine. Does he think that Islam gives a flying about the Muslims killed by Islam.
    “offer an apology to those who were offended”
    That’ll be most of devout Christians then.
    Offer an apology to them,

  28. No Fear says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    Mohammed was a prophet in the same way that Hitler was a prophet. He killed many Jews; he claimed a divine right to rule over the “untermensch/kuffar”; he was violent; he was only interested in ideas that would increase the number of those who were loyal to him and him only.
    He was a career criminal who wanted obedient henchmen.

    Mohammed was beneath contempt.

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 10:03 am

      And ,to connect one huge dot,Not only was their Muslim/Arab/Nazi Alliance ,Escaped Nazi War Criminals,led by SS Commando Otto Skorzeny TAUGHT Guerrilla Warfare and Terror Tactics to Muslim Arabs OBSESSED with Destroying Israel
      Today’s TERRORIST TACTICS were originally developed by the SS-Wehrwolf

  29. JawsV says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    These people are so dumb it defies belief.

  30. Michael Johnson says

    Jul 1, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    What kind of a bible believing Christian agrees to this these people should not call themselves Christians are Westerners because they are traitors to both and should be treated as such

  31. rooare says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 12:19 am

    The PCUSA abandoned true Christianity decades ago.

    • Polk1970 says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 10:10 am

      They sure weren’t so LOVING to Jews being MASSSACRED by The Nazis
      and boy,did they ever oppose Jewish Rescue

      • Polk1970 says

        Jul 2, 2016 at 10:13 am

        And to take it to it’s LOGICAL CONCLUSION ,NOTHING GOOD can be said about the Presbyterian Church USA

  32. mortimer says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 12:28 am

    Canon Mark Durie said there are many good reasons for not having prayer meetings with Muslims:

    “Al-Fatihah is as central to Islamic devotion as the Lord’s Prayer is to Christians: It is recited at least 17 times a day as part of daily Muslim prayers. Yet according to Muhammad himself, this prayer, which is on the lips of every pious Muslim day and night, castigates Christians as misguided and Jews as objects of Allah’s wrath.

    Another good reason for churches not to host Muslim worship, paradoxically, is their veneration of Isa, the Islamic Jesus.

    Muslims venerate Jesus, but as a Muslim prophet. In the pages of the Koran, the disciples of the Muslim Jesus declare, “We are Muslims” (Sura 5:111). The Islamic Jesus is not the Christian Son of God, the divine suffering Savior who died on the cross for the sins of the world.

    Certainly there are some similarities between Isa of the Koran and Jesus of the Gospels. The Koran calls Jesus “al-Masih” – the Messiah – and both figures are said to have been born of a virgin, to have performed miracles of healing and to have raised the dead. Yet here the similarities end. Isa of the Koran was not crucified and did not die but was raised up by Allah (Sura 4:157-158).

    It is in Muhammad’s vision of the end times that the role of the Muslim Jesus comes into sharp focus. Muhammad taught that when Isa returns, he “will fight for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill pigs, and abolish the poll tax. Allah will destroy all religions except Islam” (Sunan Abu Dawud 27:4310).

    What does this saying mean? The cross is a symbol of Christianity. Breaking the cross means abolishing Christianity. According to Islamic law, the poll tax, or jizya, buys protection of the lives and property of Christians (and Jews). Abolishing this tax will mean that jihad will be restarted against Christians and no more protection shall be afforded to those who do not submit to Islam.

    The Egyptian jurist Ahmad ibn Naqib stated in his compendium of Shariah, “The Reliance of the Traveller,” that the toleration of Christians living under Islamic law only applies “before the final descent of Jesus. … After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent … for he will rule by the law of Muhammad … as a follower of our Prophet” (translation by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, pages 603-4).

    In this end-times scenario, the Islamic Jesus becomes the ultimate destroyer of Christianity, when, by his sword, he compels all followers of the Christ of the Gospels to become Muslims and live in accordance with the Shariah of Muhammad.

    Churches should not welcome into their buildings the veneration of Isa the Islamic Jesus, who, as a true Muslim, is intended to bring about the final, violent destruction of Christianity. By all means, let Christians show kindness to their Muslim neighbors, but the sentiments embedded in Islamic daily prayers, which curse Jews as the target of Allah’s wrath and Christians for going astray, can have no place in a Christian church – even if recited in the cadences of classical Arabic.”

    Rev. Mark Durie, an Anglican priest, is the author of “Revelation: Do We Worship the Same God?”(City Harvest International, 2010)

    • Mark Swan says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 4:28 am

      Isaiah 1:2

      Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth! For the Lord has spoken:

      “I have nourished and brought up children, And they have rebelled against Me;

      Jeremiah 5:30-

      “An astonishing and horrible thing Has been committed in the land:

      The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power;
      And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?

      Jeremiah 6:13-15

      “Because from the least of them even to the greatest of them, Everyone is given to covetousness;
      And from the prophet even to the priest, Everyone deals falsely.

      They have also healed the hurt of My people slightly, (superficially) Saying, ‘Peace, peace!’
      When there is no peace.

      Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination?
      No! They were not at all ashamed; Nor did they know how to blush.

  33. Benedict says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 1:27 am

    This is a joke, right?. No where in the Holy Bible is it written that there is a allah or a mohammed. Where the hell did this sect of Christians come up with this allah and mohammed nonsense. The muslims are chopping Christians heads off and this lot is pretending that all is well

  34. David says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 2:28 am

    Stupid does is stupid is!

  35. Agni says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 2:40 am

    The USA is doomed to become a dhimmi. Who can stop the relentless march of Karma!!! Very very sad. A A a country of nice people ::-(

  36. Faqs says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 3:04 am

    As the Muslims are allowed to lie to infidels(non Muslims) about
    anything, especially about Islam. There are two doctrines taught in the Koran which promote lying. One is called al taqiyya (to lie to protect one’s self from persecution, emotional harm or physical harm, real or perceived) and kitman (to spread misinformation – especially to benefit Islam and to aid its
    spread). This outlines the true Muslim agenda: lie when it is convenient, kill when lying fails.

  37. Fraser says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 4:04 am

    For a Christian to agree that Islam is in any way compatible with Christianity is none other than outright apostasy. It is in effect saying that the Living God got it wrong and changed His Mind and told Muhammad to kill all Jews and believers in His Son, Jesus Christ in order to put things right.
    The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ said no such thing or anything remotely like it. Muhammad was deceived by this world’s Great Deceiver and so, too, are those who follow Muhammad.
    It is true that Islam is one of the world’s great religions, but it has no God breathed truth and was conceived in the pit of hell in order to foment trouble and lead people astray.

  38. Baucent says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 4:55 am

    I suppose it has never occurred to these fine Presbyterians that Mohammad might just be one of those “false prophets” Jesus mentioned or in the spirit of the anti-Christ as St John wrote about. But then, they have probably given up reading and believing the Bible years ago. That prayer that opened their meeting can only be described as an apostate prayer, I’m glad to read it “offended” a few. Perhaps there is hope for them?

  39. Dr, Gonzalo de Porras y Rodriguez says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 5:07 am

    Undoubtedly the prebiterianos are crazy or have lost their true faith!

  40. dannyboy says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 5:22 am

    My friend who works in a German asylum centre tells me that amongst the genuine refugees there’s a significant rate of conversion to Christianity from Muslims who’ve become disillusioned by the extremes that their religion has led to. How Islamophobic of them!

  41. duh_swani says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 7:51 am

    Religious treason…It’s worse than a mistake, it is irresponsible…

  42. duh_swani says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 8:12 am

    I wonder how long it will take these church leaders to develop a zebiva?

  43. Dustin Koellhoffer says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 8:25 am

    This is called abandoning Christ.

  44. Pat O'Brien says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 8:44 am

    Not new. Some 25 years ago Catholic Cardinal Daneels of Belgium invoked the prophets at a priestly ordination, among whom he included Mohammed. This according to French Traditionalist monthly, “The Catholic Counter-Reformation in the 20th Century.”

  45. Ali Bey says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 9:55 am

    Formula for Salvation: Throw Bible and Koran to the bin.

    • JawsV says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 3:01 pm

      Nope, just the war manual Koran, Muslim. The Bible is holy, the Koran is trash.

  46. Ali Bey says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 10:01 am

    To say that there are “false” Prophets is as to say that there are false unicorns

    • JawsV says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      Warlord Mo – a false prophet. Jesus (God) a true Prophet.

  47. David says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 10:01 am

    What are we: Christians or Muslims? It’s beyond belief that the Presbyterian Church would allow this prayer in a Christian church. The Muslims would kill everyone who is not a believer of Islam. When are the people of the United States going to realize that some of the Muslim faith would as soon kill you and not. The Quran will not let ANY Muslim assimilate to a non-believer faith or country.

  48. Florida Jim says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 10:33 am

    When the beheading begins, as it always has, I pray they awaken.Muslims who want Sharia, Jihad, Taqiyya, Dhimmitude, beheading, raping enemies and children or not assimilating or accepting our laws and Constitution should be deported at once and,perhaps, include some Presbyterians to teach them a lesson they must have.We want legal immigrants who give up their former life for freedom and accept ou laws and Constitution all others stay home or move to Saudi Arabia.

  49. Crusades Were Right! says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 10:48 am

    “Foolish Galatians”? Foolish Presbyterians, more like!

  50. Richie says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 11:02 am

    I hope many members of that church stood up and walked out the door

  51. Hummer says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 11:33 am

    They’ve bought into the father of lies. Truly as someone said in a post here it’s calling evil good. That’s blindness to what’s happening in the world as 90+ percent of terrorism lays right with them. Our God does not teach hate and to carry it out and you will be rewarded and it’s alright to lie to accomplish whatever is being done to rule over all.

  52. Champ says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 11:36 am

    Parsons said that sometimes mistakes can be made in ecumenical relationships and stated it was not intentional. “It was never the intention to offend anyone, and we offer an apology to those who were offended.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And …

    Are they going to *continue* in their “ecumenical” pursuits? If so, then that’s one empty apology!

  53. DhimmiNot says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    Kelly on FoxNews…
    I used to respect her as a journalist/lawyer, until last evening when she declared that Islam is a religion of peace. She said this multiple times.
    I believe that she is a Roman Catholic, so she likely is taught that lie by her priest. Church after church are falling for this deception. Are there any denominations out there that teach the truth?

    • Mark Swan says

      Jul 4, 2016 at 1:59 am

      Yes

      • eagle says

        Jul 4, 2016 at 2:53 pm

        Kelly is just another Hillary/dear Muslim leader suck up. What she says raises her rating and her purse value. Kelly has nothing to do with journalism. Kelly wants to be in the news. It’s all about Kelly.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jul 4, 2016 at 2:35 am

      She’s been informed otherwise. If she believes it, it’s not because she hasn’t been informed otherwise.

      She could also, if Catholic, read the early church fathers who knew Islam well and had no political correctness. Are these not the Church too?

      St. Thomas Aquinas: “Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning, Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Muhammad forced others to become his followers by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on the part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be. seen by anyone who examines his law.”

      St. Francis of Assisi, who went brought before the Sultan of Cairo: “We have come to preach faith in Jesus Christ to you, that you will renounce Mohammad, that wicked slave of the devil, and obtain everlasting life like us.”

      St. John of Damascus: “Should it not be obvious by now that Muhammad and his Qu’ran and his Allah are not of the True God but of Satan? Should it not be obvious by now that this satanic invention has ruined many souls to hell and also continues to harm the world deceiving others into believing that it is of Heavenly origin?”

  54. abad says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me. (Exodus 20:2-3)

    The Presbyterian Church has broken the first commandment in acknowledging Allah (Satan) on a par with Jesus.

    And I do not mind saying this here and now but the name Mohammad appears NOWHERE in the Bible.

    Therefore: Mohammad is NOT on equal footing as a prophet with any prophets in the Bible.

    The Presbyterian Church USA gets a final grade of F. For flunking out.

    • Mark Swan says

      Jul 2, 2016 at 2:53 pm

      Absolutely

  55. Zeke Zick says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    As a former Clergyman serving in a Presbyterian denomination, allow me to say that NOT all Presbyterians are liberal kooks like the PCUSA. There are at least two other major Presbyterian/Reformed Churches, the Presbyterian church in America (PCA) and The Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) .

    The PCA and OPC tend to be conservative in both our Christian Faith and Political views.

    There are just as many Liberals among the Methodists and Baptists.

  56. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    Lead us on the straight path.

    The path of those whom Thou hast favored; Not the path of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.

    Islam is a corrective belief system. The second line above is the basis for all that is Islam, it’s need to kill Infidels for the capital crime of not being Moslem, for remaining in mistake. And these geek preachers nod their heads in approval as if it’s the same straight path as that set for by Yahweh or the other Gods.

    • Mark Swan says

      Jul 5, 2016 at 3:59 am

      the straight path, Islam—not the path of those who earn thine anger, nor those that go astray, not Islam.

  57. TJFreedomjihad says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    “WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL, WHO PUT DARKNESS FOR LIGHT AND LIGHT FOR DARKNESS, WHO PUT BITTER FOR SWEET AND SWEET FOR BITTER.” — Isaiah 5:20 Certainly, this applies to far too many modern day leaders, who instead should be leaders in bravery, of truths with honor, but instead are deceivers in dishonor. However, Democrats themselves, lost honor long ago….

    His words are as smooth as butter, but in his heart is war. – Psalm 55:21 This is taqiyya, and applies heavily to far too many in today’s life, far different than 50 years and more ago.

    “It needs but one foe to breed a war, not two…. And those who have not swords can still die upon them. Would you have the folk of Gondor gather you herbs only, when the Dark Lord gathers armies?” -J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King

    This clearly applies to the world’s singular enemy, demonstrated over 1400 years, whose swords, daggers, fire, water, starvation, evil rape sex, stoning, whipping, butchery, bombs, chemicals, and guns and weapons of any other source, have been the product of only one ideology, only one, the sheer madness and depraved evil of mohammad and his allah! The fruits alone, the company kept, and the words written in satan’s construct trilogy, condemn all muslims (all who embrace satan’s ideology and doctrine of conduct), and ought to make clear of the character void of those who enable and support the missionary devils who pursue and support the evil, that is islam!.

    It also must be understood, their is no choice between the meccan and medina writings, only the final medina book is acceptable, by written command,, with the abrogation of 62% of te meccan writing, or none of it can exist, according to mo. There is no choice of writings acceptable, at all, only the worst behavior, set by the hadith’s and sira’s example of the “perfect” man (NOT), mo, the ultimate vile criminal example, who did everything possible, heinously wrong!

    THE ISLAMIC CONQUEST OF INDIA IS PROBABLY THE BLOODIEST STORY IN HISTORY. IT IS A DISCOURAGING TALE, FOR ….ITS EVIDENT MORAL IS THAT CIVILIZATION IS A PRECIOUS GOOD, WHOSE DELICATE COMPLEX OF ORDER AND FREEDOM, CULTURE AND PEACE, CAN AT ANY MOMENT BE OVERTHROWN BY BARBARIANS INVADING FROM WITHOUT OR MULTIPLYING WITHIN. – Will Durant

    How do we and all who know, exculpate the naïve mass delusions of willful blindness, of easily 60% of America, plus the Western civilization, and even those of the muslims, who are so easily given of themselves to the enemy? If that truly is possible, an all out Vlad Tepes style war, might be avoided; otherwise, the winds are rising! So far, this applies with no true universal truth being shown, it is all about “divide and conquer”, the truth is lost on the wind. Although the messaging from perverse leaders is the deceit of the ‘religion of peace’ (not, either) which is the meme that gets out to the simple, out to lunch minds, exemplified by even the clueless lightweight Kelly on Fox, (a force in her own mind), who was just taken to the cleaners by muslims yesterday, not the true fact that there is only One Religion of Love and Good, we are left with this reality: “The political machine triumphs because it is a united minority acting against a divided majority”. – Will Durant

    Hannity and Jeanine are the outstanding, definitely, not clueless lightweights, on Fox!! And so the Presbyterians are left, like most others, floating in the breeze of the moment!!!!

  58. Looking Up says

    Jul 2, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    The Presbyterians are Calvinists, so this doesn’t surprise me.
    Calvinism and Islam both teach Total Depravity. That God ordains everything that occurs, even our sins. And that GOD creates a few to be elect(saved), but MOST for eternal damnation. Yes, even little babies.
    We’re seeing The Great Falling Away before our eyes. This church are Apostates. Shame on them for turning their backs on our LORD!
    Hebrews 6:4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    5  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
    6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

  59. Herman says

    Jul 3, 2016 at 10:46 am

    As long as “christians” are allowing and praising islam, islam will move forward:
    -the pope, with numerous “islam is peace” statements
    -UK: Anglican vicar holds Muslim prayer service in his church, asks congregation to praise:
    “the god that we love, Allah”
    -Archbishop of Cologne slams Germany’s anti-Islam party: ‘Mosques are equal to churches’
    -Greek Archbishop Ieronymous’ refusal to wear the cross while visiting “mozlim refugees”
    -New Hampshire episcopal church hosts mozlim speaker (in full takkyia)
    -Swedish bishop wants christian crosses removed from church to please muslims
    -Washington National Cathedral to host Friday mozlim prayer

    and this is just a very small sample of islam appeasing, while ALL over the world, Christians and other non-mozlims are murdered and exterminated by mozlims!!!

  60. Joe says

    Jul 3, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    God bless you Robert Spencer for defending Christianity against a formidable and cunning Islam. It’s disturbing how many religiously naive Christians can be so easily deceived by Muslims. It’s also disturbing how passionate most Muslims are about their religion (although mostly out of fear) and how lax many Christians are about their faith. An Islamic invasion of Europe is now taking place, while most people are either half asleep or too afraid to speak out. May we Christians regain our passion for our faith, rediscover the love for Our Lord Jesus Christ and help to stop this deadly pestilence from spreading before it’s too late.

  61. Destiny Dave says

    Jul 3, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    This should be cause for concern. Trump claims to be Presbyterian, does that mean he will embrace mo-ham-mut and islam???

    • eagle says

      Jul 3, 2016 at 6:29 pm

      Destiny Dave, are saying Trump is a Trojan horse for our dear Muslim leader? This is real cause for concern.. God help the American people. Lock and load, people!!!

    • Phil says

      Jul 3, 2016 at 11:51 pm

      A friend wrote there are a couple varieties.

  62. Pat Andersen says

    Jul 5, 2016 at 11:10 am

    The Presbyterian Church is seriously idiotic…this is insanity and if Presbyterians are trying to say the one religion is as good as another I suggest they all follow Islam and make the Muslims happy because nothing less is acceptable them.

  63. Leigh says

    Jul 13, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    Luke 18:9-14

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