Considering the facts that Seddique Mateen has proclaimed that Allah would punish gays, as well as expressing support for the Taliban, his choice of a candidate is interesting. “Hillary Clinton is good for United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions,” he says, when in reality Trump has one famous solution for jihad terrorism: a temporary moratorium on immigration from state with high rates of jihad terror activity. A supporter of the Taliban, of course, would dislike a solution of that kind. It would interfere with his cherished goals.
Meanwhile, why didn’t the WPTV reporter ask him where his daughter-in-law is?
“Orlando shooter’s father attends Hillary Clinton rally in Kissimmee,” by Tory Dunnan, WPTV, August 9, 2016 (thanks to all who sent this in):
KISSIMMEE, Fla. – Hillary Clinton spoke to a crowd in Kissimmee, just south of Orlando. She was supposed to be talking jobs, but started the speech off paying tribute to those affected by the Pulse Nightclub shooting.
“I know how many people, families, loved ones, and friends are still grieving, and we will be with you as you rebuild your lives.”
WPTV happened to notice the man, who has a mustache and was wearing a red hat, behind Clinton. It was Seddique Mateen, the father of Orlando mass shooter Omar Mateen.
NewsChannel 5 asked Mateen what he was thinking about when Clinton spoke about the Orlando incident.
“We’ve been cooperating with the federal government, and that’s about it,” he said. “Thank you.” Mateen didn’t want to answer any other questions, but just hours later, we ran into him by chance at a rest stop on the way back to West Palm Beach. He wanted to do an interview and show us a sign he made for Clinton.
“Hillary Clinton is good for United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions,” he said.
We asked what went into his decision to go to the event right near Orlando, where the Pulse Nightclub shooting happened.
“I spoke a lot about that and wish that my son joined the Army and fought ISIS. That would be much better,” he said.
When questioned whether Clinton’s campaign knew he was going to the event and sitting directly behind the presidential candidate, Mateen said, ” It’s a Democratic party, so everyone can join.”
Finally we asked if he thought some people would be surprised to see him there, especially given the proximity to Orlando.
“Why should they be surprised? I love the United States, and I’ve been living here a long time,” Mateen said….

mortimer says
One happy family of Sharia law apologists and gay rights supporters.
Fran says
What the effing crap do gay rights have to do with the most despicable religion in the world, Islam (not that the others are much better)?
gravenimage says
Fran, I think Mortimer was being sarcastic, since Mateen fils murdered 49 people at a gay nightclub.
Jay Boo says
I believe Mortimer is pointing out quite well the absurdity of Muslim and Leftist Sharia law apologists sitting side-by-side with gay rights supporters to support a candidate who bows to an ideology whose very founder calls for the murder of gays.
gravenimage says
Yes.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
If David Duke’s support for Trump makes Trump a racist in the eyes of the Democratic Campaign, what does Mateen’s support make Clinton – a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer?
Bezelel says
That’s far to rational.
Jay Boo says
It would appear that Hillary the Head-Bumper gave the Orlando shooter’s father an invitation only front row seat.
Supposed ‘(moderate)’ Muslims everywhere say, “Thankyou”
Jerry says
Biliary Clinton must have missed the presence
of the parents of Nidal Malik Hassan.
After all, the Fort Hood massacre was
facilitated by Obaminatory policy which
prohibited the military from taking any
action against Nidal Malik Hassan
even after his sympathy for and
communications with the Jihaddists
were known.
Even now. the Obamination at the
White House continues to arm and support
the “Good Jihaddists” in Syria.
But let’s not forget that it was the highly
“democratic” Dhimmi Carter who initiated
the arming and provisioning the Afghan
“mujaheedin” even before the Soviet
intervention in Afghanistan.
Unfortunately, it was a “bi-partisan”
policy also pursued by Regan and
Bush the Father.
Oliver says
And don’t forget, it was (both Clinton-probably too busy getting bj’s, and then George Jr.) who missed-or did not give the orders to do so -opportunities to kill Ben laden- I believe- JR’s was even before 911-although not sure. (With one of them, Kaddafi told the US that Ben Laden was in Libya, and where he was-in a desert area).
But Junior-after 9/11- when AMERICANS COULD NTO FLY-DID LET THE BEN LADEN FAMILY FLY OUT OF THE US, BEFORE THE FBI COULD QUESTION THEM.
Back- BEOFRE OBAMA became the Dem. nominee, MOVE ON–A SOROS FRONT- was running ads (in the Tampa Bay, FL, anyhow) that George W. (JR) had close ties to the Saudis.
Oliver says
August 10,
heard on the radio- autopsy reports- most of the 49 were shot in the head, at close range; many more then once.
takes away-does it not? some assholes, I mean liberals, that the police killed many.
fitting that this piece of crap is supporting Clinton
Tom says
Unfucking believable!! I almost never use profanity but what else can I say?
Democrat will do anything for a vote and are blatantly catering to the Muzzies.
UFB………………….
Tom
mortimer says
Muslims applying for residency should submit to a lie detector test to determine if they approve of a list of jihad groups. If they demonstrate approval of ANY jihad groups in lie testing, they should be denied entry.
marina says
Don’t forget sharia laws.If they approve of shariah law in this country then no residency.
Jerry says
It would never work, you know their policy of taqiyya for allah. Of course they’d lie, they live according to an ideology that honors hate and murder, their god and prophet were bigots and warmongers. Better we should deny them residency altogether and save the lie detector for Hillary and her leftist friends.
Vlad says
Simple solution is:
IF their lips move then we can be assured that they are lying and consequently no residency.
Sound OK to me. 🙂
Jerry says
Right, and if their lips don’t move we can safely assume they’re concealing their lies, which is like being a liar times 2. Just goes to show how conniving these muslims can be. 😉
Seriously though, it’s pointless to ask muslims questions about supporting terror and consider it trustworthy. Of course they’ll lie, they do already, that’s how they get in now. Faithful muslims and their fellow terrorists aren’t going to say, “Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I support Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and every other terror group that hates your nation.” lol. No, our vetting didn’t prevent past acts of terror and it’s reasonable to assume it wouldn’t stop it in the future. As long as we have muslims in our nation and islam is allowed to thrive unchecked we’ll be at risk. That’s why we need draconian measures against these people, they’re our known enemy with a clear objective to slay or conquer the infidel. They are doing it in small ways and in large, and their combined efforts are no less destructive than a full out military invasion. Muslims are murdering and torturing innocents like a flesh eating bacteria destroys skin, horribly and without mercy. We’ve seen the head chopping, the rapes, the brutality of sharia, the crimes of ISIS…islam is the world’s leading societal disease. The attached video is my simile for elucidating the dangers of islam. Warning: this video has gross and disturbing content about the deadly effects of flesh eating bacteria, similar to how islam destroys cultures and nations.
citycat says
Also, lying to the infidel is considered deeply correct within their deeply conditioned morality, and therefore may not show a reaction in a lie detector test.
Jerry says
Lie detectors=voodoo science.
citycat says
Some humans have influenced some scientific instruments, without having physical contact even with the instrument.
Demsci says
Agreed, but me, for one, would like to formulate it positively and identify and formulate and juxtapose the opposites of shariah law and Islamic tenets against them.
So: We will ask all Muslim Immigrant, and if need be all other immigrants as well;
What is it that you choose; Shariah Law, Islamic tenets or their Democratic opposites, which to us are BETTER ALTERNATIVES to Islam? After all, this is Democratic turf, and you can decide to have residence here temporarily, but have no illusions; this WILL remain Democratic turf!
If you choose the Better alternatives to Islam: Sign here please, we will monitor you and should you be shown to “revert” your probation is over and you will be deported. And I suppose in such cases lifelong probations are best.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Mortimer: Please see Lanya’s post (supra). He/She is correct.
Why in the world should the United States of America go to the time, trouble and expense of administering lie detector tests to muslims? Dear God: In any sane country the very fact that they are, as a demographic, SO volatile and resistant to Americanization, should immediately redound to their complete EXCLUSION from immigration!
We CONTINUE to act as if immigration is a RIGHT. It is absolutely no such thing. Under Federal Law, immigration is at the discretion of the host nation (us). We could, for example, decide tomorrow that we don’t want ANY immigration to the USA. NONE. In fact we have done just that, several times in our history, and quite recently in fact.
Immigration exists for one reason and one reason only: To BENEFIT our country. It does NOT exist for the benefit of anyone applying for entry into our country.
When we continue to bend over backwards to accept populations of immigrants who have already abundantly illustrated their unfitness to benefit our beloved country, we are buying into the Far Left’s misstatement of the law, to our DETRIMENT. Let us stop it. Let us stop it NOW.
Debi Brand says
Lesley says
@Kathy Brown, Esq. Hear, hear! Clear and excellent reasoning. Thank you 🙂
Demsci says
Kathy, you really make excellent points! Speeking to the choir….
BUT… will we ever get the necessary democratic majority for blocking either all “unnecessary” immigrants or “all Muslim immigrants” in our Western societies???
To me it seems NOT. And the opposite of what you want is actually happening; rather undiscriminate, not really realistically vetted immigrants are coming in (or later legalized). And for now “discrimination of people based on religion” is a big NO-NO. Even proposing this temporarily get’s you the stamp of “racist’, bigot”. Although you and I and a Islamwise majority knows this is nonsense.
That is the lay of the land. And can we not go from there? Of course Muslims can lie, but now, we are not even allowed to ASK them to what system of society and which countries they are loyal or hostile to (their neutrality often translates in hostility).
If we can at least ASK them that, then we can either show hostile attitudes or lies to the public at large. We can monitor and hold people, AND MOSQUES, to signed affidavits. And act legally, with deportation, on violating agreements of those. By Muslims, Mosques.
And, perhaps, this strategy will get us the necessary majority to make laws and measures stick and working.
After all, we ARE living in and defending in an
A. Democratic society which we can clearly define and which Islam certainly demonstrably contradicts.
B. Nation inside a Democratic coalition (or at least friendshipsbond). And if we play our cards right, can the majority not see that it is reasonable to defend those?
When we urge as many citizens as possible to learn both the characteristics of Democratic laws and tenets and Islamic ones?
And if we assert that being Muslim in a Democratic society and nation is a CHOICE (not a race!)? To which Muslims can be held accountable for?
Debi Brand says
Demsci, you suggested, in our attempt to realistically, thus effectively, address the threat Islam and adherents to that faith are to us, perhaps “inching” our way to such, so to speak, is the path to take.
As part of that plan, you suggested, we could ask “them” questions, have them sign affidavits, therein swearing to the truth of their statements therein.
Couple of questions for you: what are “we” going to ask the said “people,” (“Muslims”), to swear to in those affidavits?
To swear they disregard and reject the teachings of Qur’an and the traditions of their “prophet”?
Good idea.
Because lacking that rejection, they adhere to the said teachings and traditions, therefore their actions.
What would you propose we ask the mosque (preachers, teachers, and speaker thereat, etc.) to swear to?
To swear they will refrain from preaching and/or teaching the doctrines of Qur’an and the traditions of their “beloved prophet”?
Again, excellent idea.
Because, If they do such, then there will be no need in our nation, anywhere, for neither mosque not madrassa, would there be, because, as you state, what they swear to in that affidavit they will be held accountable to.
What’s more, it would be swearing to reject, categorically, the tenets of Islam, which are in its basic shook-down forms, obedience and submission to “Allah,” and then because “Allah,” commands obedience to his messenger, Muhammad, obedience and emulating of him, because that messenger commands, “follow me.”
Demsci says
Thank you, Debi! Yes, I agree.
Couple of remarks; do we talk about one or two ideologies (or more)?
I mean, we can talk about the, according to us, BAD ideology, Islam only, while searching for ways to stop it, diminish it’s threat OR
We can introduce the polar opposite of Islam, and I propose some kind of Democratic Ideology, as the, to us, GOOD Ideology.
From there we can compare and ask Muslims to CHOOSE between the TWO ideologies. So, for me it is not so much the rejection or swearing off of their own Tenets, as it is to
promote the Good ideology and let Muslims, Mosques, choose the Laws, Tenets and loyalties of the Good ideology over those of the Bad ideology. Wherever the 2 contradict.
What we should be going to ask them? How about:
– Loyalty to the democratic core nations over and above loyalty to any dictatorial country (including countries of origine!).
– Them choosing constitution of the land over and above so-called “Divine law”when the two contradict
– Them allowing Muslims absolute freedom to leave Islam.
– Them allowing maximum reasonable freedom for individuals, including women, non-believers.
.
our experts can name the rest of the list I suppose. but Always we should juxtapose our own ideology against theirs and let them choose our laws and Tenets and loyalties over those of their ideology.
The swearing of Muslims TO:
I like that to be to something positive, more than only rejecting, abandoning something they hold so dear.
So I like us to seek the BETTER POSITIVE ALTERNATIVE TO ISLAM IDEOLOGY, with at it’s core;
– Democratic system, – enlightenment,
– Democratic most important guiding texts as better alternative to Quran.
– Our own historical and contemporary (multiple) rolemodels versus rolemodel Mohammed.
– Perhaps tokens of OUR ideology worn by OUR women as answer to wearing headscarves by Muslima’s as token of Islamic Ideology.
I also like to use a 3-partition in society; 1. Muslims. 2. Ideological Democrats (of diverse religions). 3. The big neutral ignorant disinterested mass.
Demsci says
It is important that as many people as possible acquaint themselves thoroughly with what Islam teaches and how some of that contradicts Democratic laws, Tenets, morals, because this knowledge is the motivation and justification for singling out Muslims for these sort of questions.
In self-defense of Democratic system and nations.
Because there is now so much proof,
in Quran-Hadiths-Sira AND Tafsir and
declarations and behavior of hundreds of Millions of Muslims, shown in numerous surveys and MEMRI-TV-broadcasts,
not to mention the existence of ISIS and it’s motivation and that of the terrorists attacking innocent civilians and their motivation,
that the burden of proof is now on all Muslims in Democratic countries that they are indeed choosing for those countries and their societal system.
This is my legal argument.
Debi Brand says
Hey, Demsci, very briefly here, note:
Your suggestions: “Them choosing constitution of the land over and above so-called “Divine law”when the two contradict.”
“Allah’s” command: “You who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.”
The rest of that verse reads, “ [and obey] those in command among you. If you have a dispute about something, refer it back to (the Book of) Allah and the Messenger [himself, while he was alive, and then to his Sunna].” (Surat an-Nisa’ 4:59, Al-Jalalayn, and elsewhere.)
“Allah” commands, “O those who believe, do not take your fathers and your brothers as friends, if they prefer infidelity over Faith. And whoever from you has friendship with them, then such people are the wrongdoers.” (9: 23)
And Tafsir expounds on that:
Therefore, this command of the “prophet”:
Your suggestion: “Them allowing Muslims absolute freedom to leave Islam.”
“The Messenger of Allah” commanded: ‘Whoever changes his religion [away from Islam], execute him.’”24
Your suggestions: “– Them allowing maximum reasonable freedom for individuals, including women, non-believers.”
Allah’s commands:
Surah 33: 59 speaks to the same:
Ibn Kathir provides this instruction and clarification on the instruction in this verse:
And on those who disbelieve, Allah commanded, “And give those who disbelieve the ‘good’ news of a painful punishment.” (Surah Al-Taubah: 9: 3, Ma’ariful Qur’an, Vol. 2 rendition.) He follows that up with, “Kill the Mushriks wherever you find them.” (Surah Al-Taubah: 9: 5.)
You stated, “we should juxtapose our own ideology against theirs and let them choose our laws and Tenets and loyalties over those of their ideology.”
“Allah’s” Messenger commanded: “Whoever among you lives after I am gone … you must adhere to my Sunnah and the way of the Rightly Guided Khulafa. Hold on to it and cling fast to it” 95
He asserted, as cited above, “What about people who impose conditions which are not present in Allah’s Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not found in Allah’s Book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times.” 182
You said: “I like us to seek the BETTER POSITIVE ALTERNATIVE TO ISLAM IDEOLOGY, with at it’s core;
– Democratic system, – enlightenment,
– Democratic most important guiding texts as better alternative to Quran.”
Allah asserted and commanded: “You are the best Ummah raised for mankind. You bid the Fair and forbid the Unfair.” (Surah “AL-‘Imran 3:110.) That is they “enjoin what is good in accordance with the dictates of the Qur’an and the Sunnah.” 92
And Hadith provides: “It is narrated on the authority of Al-‘Abbas b. ‘Abdul-Muttalib that he heard the Messenger of Allah saying: He relished the flavour [sic] of faith that who became pleased with Allah as Lord, with al-Islam as a code of life and with Muhammad as a Messenger (of Allah). (Muslim.)
(http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2015/12/verily-i-see-him-believer-messenger-of.html)
You suggested the models you would like to see Muslim follow: “Our own historical and contemporary (multiple) rolemodels versus rolemodel Mohammed.”
Allah’s book instructs, “Whatever the Messenger brought to you take hold of it, and whatever he forbids you of, abstain from it.” 11 (“Qur’an ch. 59:7”)
What’s more, “Allah’s word declares, “You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah ….” (Surat al-Ahzab 33:21, al-Jalalayn.)
Clearly, the “Muslim” will either embrace and practice your suggestions, or ones kin to them, and reject the word and commands of Allah and his messenger, or, reject the said former and cling to and practice the latter.
That tabled, I’d conclude, ‘ leap and clear those hurdles, my Friend, you’ve got a working plan in hand.
(post cited from:
http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2016/08/omar-siddiqui-mateen-obeyed-allah.html
http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2016/08/mr-khan-sir-i-am-compelled-to-question.html
http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2015/12/verily-i-see-him-believer-messenger-of.html)
gravenimage says
Agree with you and Lanya, Kathy.
Bob says
That’d keep the vast majority out! But how does lying to a ‘lie detector’ fit in with shari’a??
Jerry says
Lie detectors can’t stop sharia of course. And just like in Britain and elsewhere sharia “zones” and sharia councils will undermine native law and traditions in our nation too. I’ve always said this, “moderate” muslims are more of a danger than the terrorists. Terrorists can hurt and kill us, but it’s those cuddly moderates that will destroy us. They are the bulwark for advancing islam in our nation, the terrorists are just a poke in the ribs.
Debi Brand says
“… cuddly moderates that will destroy us. They are the bulwark for advancing islam in our nation, the terrorists are just a poke in the ribs.”
Well said, Jerry.
gravenimage says
Muslims can always lie to the “filthy Infidels”–it is a core part of their creed.
Richard Paulsen says
Donald trump was accused of being a Ku klux Klan member because of a photo. How about this?
There is a difference between the Cairo Declaration and the UN Charter of Human Rights.
The UN charter being used to allowing in muslims and the muslims preferring sharia laws.
Must be stopped.
Richard Paulsen says
Sorry. Correction. Should be Donald Trump. Capital D.
Richard Paulsen says
Sorry. Donald Trump. Capital T.
Carmel says
Or Donald Trump in the capital : Washington Capital .
Carmel says
Father Mateen seem to have come back from the schock easily . He is smiling . And Mateen ex-wife who had disapeared two days after the shooting , she is where ?
Sometimes I feel I am dreaming and that someone is gone wake me up.
miriamrove says
How low can she get? m
ElderlyZionist says
I hear Hil goes pretty far down on Huma.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
August West says
Isn’t it a little strange that the secret service let him get this close to Clinton?
Isn’t it also strange that Clinton chose to have him this close?
Clearly Clinton is attemtimg.to appeal to the Sharia set and has no concern about.backlash from the lgtbq community.
August West says
HEY I Just notuced the First letters.Of Sharia Set….
Strangly fitting. I think I’ll keep it in my playbook.
Ex-muslim says
Mcain, Paul Ryan, Democrats, Republicans, Leftists Clintonites are all of them pro-islam and pro jihadists.They are the enemy. I don’t see any difference between them and the muslim jihadists. No difference!
Richard Paulsen says
You are right.
Debi Brand says
“You are right [Ex-Muslim].”
Indeed, he is.
gravenimage says
Remember that “Ex-muslim” has many times salivated over the specter of America and the rest of the West being conquered by his (former?) coreligionists.
Champ says
Quite right, Graven.
Ex-muslim says
@ gravenimage
You Americans and Westerners, you are baking Islamic jihadists to conquer, rule and even murder Christians in ME and other places so why is it a surprise to you when we hope the same fate for you? You hate Christ and your evil and pro-Islamic Western governments are the Anti-Christ forces and you really deserve to be ruled and abused by the evil Islamic jihadists that you support and love so deeply! May God punish you in the hands of Islamic jihadists that you love and support, you Christ-haters!
Christianblood says
Ex-muslim posted
(..You Americans and Westerners, you are baking Islamic jihadists to conquer, rule and even murder Christians in ME and other places so why is it a surprise to you when we hope the same fate for you?..)
Excellent and very well-said, Ex-muslim!
That is exactly what America and the West to the Christian Serbs in Bosnia and Kosovo. And they are so ethnocentric, narrow-minded and arrogant they don’t realize the EVIL they are doing to others Please watch the video:
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“That is exactly what America and the West to the Christian Serbs in Bosnia and Kosovo. And they are so ethnocentric, narrow-minded and arrogant they don’t realize the EVIL they are doing to others ”
Oh, look – the troll is defeating itself thanks to its haste to denigrate the West, and especially the US.
gravenimage says
More from “Ex-muslim”:
@ gravenimage
You Americans and Westerners, you are baking (sic) Islamic jihadists to conquer, rule and even murder Christians in ME and other places
…………………………………….
Does anyone else realize how insane it is for “Ex-muslim” to be flogging this vicious idiocy *at Jihad Watch*. *No one* here–save for the Muslim trolls–are “baking” Jihadists. Has “Ex-muslim” failed to notice that this is *Jihad Watch*? We *oppose* Jihad here.
No one here–save, of course, for “Ex-muslim’s” (former?) coreligionists–wants to see Christians or any other Infidels conquered, ruled, and murdered by Muslims.
Except, of course, for *Ex-muslim* himself, who is saying just that here. *Ugh*.
More:
so why is it a surprise to you when we hope the same fate for you?
…………………………………….
Who is “we”? The only ones who seek the destruction of the West at the hands of ravening Muslims are…well…ravening Muslims, and then “Ex-muslim” himself, Russian supremacist “Christianblood”, and–possibly, his eager support is also very vague–t..
Certainly, *I* and most other Anti-Jihadists here don’t relish the idea of *anyone* suffering oppression, enslavement, rape, and murder at the hands of “Ex-muslims” fellows, no matter *how* clueless or even complicit their leaders may have been.
And we do not for two primary reasons: firstly, we are decent and compassionate people who do not want to anyone suffer savagery; secondly, we realize that nothing will so embolden Jihadists as conquest of any part of Dar-al-Harb, including, of course, the free West.
But “Ex-muslim” *hopes* to see us savaged by these barbarians.
Note that Robert Spencer’s family fled Turkey due to their being persecuted by the Muslim rulers there. And yet, Robert Spencer does not hope that the West suffers the same fate as the Christians of Turkey–instead, he is bravely warning the West of the danger of Islam.
Compare and contrast…
More:
You hate Christ and your evil and pro-Islamic Western governments are the Anti-Christ forces and you really deserve to be ruled and abused by the evil Islamic jihadists that you support and love so deeply! May God punish you in the hands of Islamic jihadists that you love and support, you Christ-haters!
…………………………………….
Well, this is just unhinged. There are large numbers of devout Christians here, including Robert Spencer himself. Is Robert Spencer a “Christ-hater”?
And now “Ex-muslim” believes that we *are the Anti-Christ*. Notice he does not appear to believe that Islamic Jihadists themselves are the Anti-Christ. Instead, they are just the tools God is using to smite us.
Is this really his understanding of Christianity? It seems *very* close to that of Islam.
And “Christianblood” appears to agree–characterizing “Ex-muslim’s” saying that we are “baking” Islamic Jihadists” with a hearty “well said!”.
As we have seen before, he is also agog over the idea of Jihadists conquering the free West. How he believes this would help Russia is anyone’s guess–we know he does not care about us.
And yet, this does not go the other way; some of us here have been critical of Putin and some of his policies–especially those that, just as in the West, enable Jihad–but no on here wants to see the Russian people suffer at the hands of Jihadists.
And this is not just an idle assertion–all one need do is check the comments section of any Jihad Watch story about Jihad in Russia or the former Soviet states to see messages of support for the victims there, as well as offering kudos for whatever anti-Jihad actions have been taken.
Again, compare and contrast.
Champ says
Graven,
Excellent response to “ex muslim” who’s a *pious* evil perp and NOT an “ex” muslim; and he uses that moniker as an attempt to deceive others, but his heartless, soulless offerings give him away as a SOA.
Champ says
ps Graven,
“ex muslim” made this heartless, soulless offering in response to you:
“May God punish you in the hands of Islamic jihadists that you love and support, you Christ-haters!”
Just *one* of many egregious examples from the supposed “ex” muslim. Indeed, he’s one evil perp.
Champ says
“ex muslim” wrote:
“May God punish you in the hands of Islamic jihadists that you love and support, you Christ-haters!”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And I should add that this savage remark from “ex muslim” is the sort of thing that Jesus Christ *vehemently* opposes.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Champ. And I agree–nothing could be *less* Christian than his vicious desires.
Ex-muslim says
@ Graven & Champ
You words are ignorant and self-centred! I am not talking about jihadwatch people in any way shape or form. All I am saying is that American and Western governments (and Western societies who elect those governments) are backing, arming and supporting muslim jihadists that are murdering Christians, conquering and enslaving Christians in ME and other places so why is it a surprise to you when the victims of those Western-backed genocidal jihadists hope the same fate for you? What will you do if you are from those regions of the world where America and the West are backing and empowering fanatical jihadists and then those jihadists destroy your land, your life, family, churches, history, they kill you, sex-slave you, mass-murder your people and evict you from lands?
WHAT WILL YOU DO???? NOW, ANSWER ME. WHAT WILL YOU DO????????????
WHY IS IT THAT YOU DON’T CARE THE SAFETY OF OTHERS BUT ONLY FOR YOUR SELFISH AMBITIONS???? WHY ARE YOUR GOVERNMENTS KEEP BACKING THE GENOCIDAL JIHADISTS THAT ARE KILLING US AND KILLING YOU EVERYWHERE AND YOUR SOCIETIES ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF THIS? SHAME ON YOU! MAY GOD’S JUSTICE BE DONE SOON!
Angemon says
Ex-muslim posted:
“@ Graven & Champ
You words are ignorant and self-centred! “!
Idiot. Words can not be “ignorant” or “self-centred”.
“ I am not talking about jihadwatch people in any way shape or form. ”
And here is the attempt to back-pedal without changing a thing on his previous comments. Here’s what he wrote:
Plenty of (most?) people in JW are Westerners. EM wants us to believe that while he wants Westerners punished by jihadis he did not talk about anyone in JW – even though he did just that.
“All I am saying is that American and Western governments”
Nope. You were very clear – Americans and Westerners.
“(and Western societies who elect those governments)”
And here it is, the denial of the denial. It’s not ALL Westerners, it’s just the government and the people!
“are backing, arming and supporting muslim jihadists that are murdering Christians, conquering and enslaving Christians in ME and other places”
Citation needed.
“so why is it a surprise to you when the victims of those Western-backed genocidal jihadists hope the same fate for you?”
Oh, trying to play the victim card now, are you?
“What will you do if you are from those regions of the world where America and the West are backing and empowering fanatical jihadists and then those jihadists destroy your land, your life, family, churches, history, they kill you, sex-slave you, mass-murder your people and evict you from lands?”
And there goes the fake distinction he tried to make – “it’s not ALL Westerners, it’s just the governments and people!”.
“WHY IS IT THAT YOU DON’T CARE THE SAFETY OF OTHERS BUT ONLY FOR YOUR SELFISH AMBITIONS????”
Citation needed – please explain what “selfish ambitions” you’re talking about when you ask GI that.
“WHY ARE YOUR GOVERNMENTS KEEP BACKING THE GENOCIDAL JIHADISTS THAT ARE KILLING US”
Now you’re trying to pass as a ME Christian? Please pick a story and stay with it.
Ex-muslim says
@ Christianblood
Thanks for the video dear (CB). I recently watched a similar documentary and I am shocked to learn even two decades ago, America and the West were bombing the Serbians and supporting the Balkan jihadists. I have no words to express this my friend!
What is even more shocking is that Western societies don’t care this and they keep electing the same anti-Christian, pro-muslim elites who hate Christ and love muslims.
That is even more chocking! They don’t care!
Thank you again!
Angemon says
Ex-muslim posted:
“@ gravenimage
You Americans and Westerners,”
Americans are Westerners too. You know that, right?
“you are baking Islamic jihadists to conquer, rule and even murder Christians in ME and other places”
Citation needed.
“so why is it a surprise to you when we hope the same fate for you? ”
Who’s this “we” you’re talking about? Oh, and try to pay attention to what you say, you moron – if you “hope the same fate” for us then *you* must be actively “baking Islamic jihadists to conquer, rule and even murder Christians” in the West.
“You hate Christ”
Citation needed.
“and your evil and pro-Islamic Western governments are the Anti-Christ forces and”
Citation needed.
“you really deserve to be ruled and abused by the evil Islamic jihadists that you support and love so deeply!”
Citation needed.
“May God punish you in the hands of Islamic jihadists”
That’s exactly what islam says – that allah will punish non-muslims by the hands of muslims.
gravenimage says
More from Ex-muslim:
@ Graven & Champ
You words are ignorant and self-centred!
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Concern over the fate of *1.1 billion people*–a very conservative estimation of the population of the West–the United States, Canada, the EU, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel–is “self-centred”?
And no–I do *not* believe that it is “ignorant” to care about these people.
More:
I am not talking about jihadwatch people in any way shape or form. All I am saying is that American and Western governments (and Western societies who elect those governments) are backing, arming and supporting muslim jihadists that are murdering Christians, conquering and enslaving Christians in ME and other places so why is it a surprise to you when the victims of those Western-backed genocidal jihadists hope the same fate for you?
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Well, this is just ridiculous. How would it be possible for Robert Spencer and others here at Jihad Watch to remain unaffected while Muslims take over our societies and begin systematically raping, enslaving, and mass murdering the people here?
The idea that this would somehow just affect those who made poor choices at the ballot box is ridiculous.
And even if this could in some fantasy be the case, the idea that we would be sanguine–or even gloating, like “Ex-muslim”–while ravening Muslims slaughtered our less savvy neighbors and used their children as sex slaves is a grotesque scenario, in any case.
If he believes that of us here at Jihad Watch, then he understands little about Anti-Jihadists. He certainly understands little about decent and compassionate people like Champ.
And “Ex-muslim” again makes the claim that the victims of violent Jihad really want to see Islam conquer the West, which sentiment I have never heard except from him.
It is certainly *not* true of Robert Spencer, Raymond Ibrahim, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Simon Deng, Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Brigitte Gabriel, and many other Anti-Jihadists who have suffered Muslim oppression and violence.
And I mention again, given the global influence of the West–whether one considers this a good thing or not–the idea that the fall of the West to Islam would not have a baleful effect on the rest of the world–Africa, Asia, South America–is just absurd. *Nothing* would so embolden Muslims *everywhere* as the fall of the free West.
And yet. “Ex-muslim” is so vicious that he does not care how this would harm Infidels *all over the world*.
More:
What will you do if you are from those regions of the world where America and the West are backing and empowering fanatical jihadists and then those jihadists destroy your land, your life, family, churches, history, they kill you, sex-slave you, mass-murder your people and evict you from lands?
WHAT WILL YOU DO???? NOW, ANSWER ME. WHAT WILL YOU DO????????????
WHY IS IT THAT YOU DON’T CARE THE SAFETY OF OTHERS BUT ONLY FOR YOUR SELFISH AMBITIONS????
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This is, of course, utter calumny.
I and many others here at Jihad Watch have proven over and over again that we care deeply about the victims of Islam–especially those oppressed and trying to survive under dhimmitude in Dar-al-Islam.
And many of us are acting not just here, but in the ‘real world’–doing what we can to educate about the Jihad threat, contacting politicians and other leaders, backing charities helping Christians and the other victims of Islam, and many other things.
What, exactly, is “Ex-muslim” doing, besides screaming that we should all be conquered by his (former?) coreligionists? Nothing that he has ever indicated.
More:
WHY ARE YOUR GOVERNMENTS KEEP BACKING THE GENOCIDAL JIHADISTS THAT ARE KILLING US AND KILLING YOU EVERYWHERE AND YOUR SOCIETIES ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF THIS? SHAME ON YOU! MAY GOD’S JUSTICE BE DONE SOON!
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As I have noted times beyond count at this point, clulessness and willful ignorance run deep, both with leaders and with ordinary citizens. The whole point of Jihad Watch is to educate people, and while it is slow, it is also clear that progress is being made.
The situation is similar to that of the 1930s, where many in the free West wanted to believe that the Fascists were not a threat. There were a small number of leaders, journalists, and other concerned citizens such as Winston Churchill who were working to warn about Hitler and Mussolini.
Were “Ex-muslim” around at the time, he would likely not support these people–he would just salivate over the Nazis rolling across the free world, and scream that their people should all wind up in death camps for not having acted sooner.
More:
What is even more shocking is that Western societies don’t care this and they keep electing the same anti-Christian, pro-muslim elites who hate Christ and love muslims.
That is even more chocking (sic)! They don’t care!
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“Ex-muslim” has made this same hysterical accusation before–that Western citizens love Jihad and “hate Christ”. Actually, virtually everyone in the West–save for the Muslim invaders–*hates* Jihad terrorism. Most of them also understand little about its causes and ultimate aims. That is, again, what Jihad Watch and other Anti-Jihad sites are here to address.
Except, of course, those who actually *want to see Islam triumph*–those like “Ex-muslim”.
Yet more;
Thank you again!
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Is “Ex-muslim” thanking us for continuing to point out his viciousness? Because we can go on if it is necessary…
gravenimage says
Good posts, Angemon.
More Ham Ed says
LEAVE and GO GET YOUR OWN WEBSITE you can call it
contemptforthewest.com
t. says
I 100% agree with you Ex-muslim!
Ex-muslim says
@ t
Thanks!
Alex says
Am an also an Ex-Muslim , sometimes I feel that the west dont listen to our warnings and intentionally bury their heads in the sand … Freedom that most of the people in the west do enjoy didnt come for free … And current generations take it for granted … But I see a light at the end of the tunnel … With TRUMP … he may solve this problem … Maybe
Ex-muslim says
@ Alex
The West is the Anti-Christ, they are already burying Trump and siding with islamists!
America, West and the Pope are in the pockets of islam and Saudis. They are all traitors!
Angemon says
Citations needed.
gravenimage says
Alex wrote:
Am an also an Ex-Muslim , sometimes I feel that the west dont listen to our warnings and intentionally bury their heads in the sand
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Glad you left the vicious creed of Islam, Alex. You are decent and very brave to have done so.
You are right–many in the West don’t want to believe what a terrible threat Islam is. It’s terrifying. Many respond by hoping that Islam really is a “religion of peace” and that Jihadist make up a tiny minority who have nothing to do with Islam.
All we can do is keep educating people. Muslim apostates have a special understanding of how malignant Islam really is–something many Westerners cannot easily comprehend.
Don’t give up–most Westerners are good people and *will* act once they realize how vital it is that they do.
Demsci says
Think about what you say! You are conflating peaceful accomplished people who overwhelmingly really support the democratic system and the nations that practice it.
With that huge swathe of condemnation, any condemnation you have of enemies of democratic system and nations becomes meaningless.
And it goes without saying that you show no confidence at all in the wisdom of the masses, in the strength of the full democratic system.
I for one rather make a tripartite partition; A. Pro Democratic wise humans. B. the great neutral, busy, clueless majority, which is still on aggregate supporting the full democratic system. C. The enemies of the Democratic system and nations. The B’s I respect far more than you seem to do, when you name so many of the true representatives of these B’s.
Demsci says
correction; You are conflating peaceful accomplished people with real enemies of democratic societies and nations.
gravenimage says
Excellent post, Demsci.
gravenimage says
When John McCain and Paul Ryan begin mowing down peaceful festival-goers while screaming “Allahu Akbar!” and using unbelievers as sex slaves, then I will certainly agree that they are no different from Muslim Jihadists.
Norwegian says
Clinton is nothing but a scandal…
John A. Marre says
Placed directly behind Clinton, so the viewers could not miss it. So Democrats have no problem with promoters of terrorism?
miriamrove says
OT: Robert I am not tech savvy. This is the only way I can do this.
“[I feel unsafe] all the time. I had someone follow me home from practice and try to report me to police,” she told the Daily Beast. “And this is right on 28th and 7th in New York City. This is out right a LIE. I have first hand knowledge of this. If you like to know about it you know where to find me. m
gravenimage says
miriam, if you want to contact Robert Spencer directly you can use the “Contact Us” box (located at the right-hand side or bottom of your screen, depending on configuration). I know you are located right in NYC.
Peter says
No doubt, per the Democratic establishment, the jihadist’s father is a “victim.”
Guy Jones says
Parents of jihadist terrorist thugs; parents of shopkeeper/private citizen/police officer-assaulting thugs; Hillary is really locking up the “parents of [insert reprobate here]” category!!!
Who’s next — parents of genocidal madmen/caudillos?
Oliver says
someone-i think on a radio program-asked, where are the parents or spouses or siblings or children of thsoe killed by the thugs -whose mothers showed up at the DNC?
and another question-for the Black Lies and the Democraps– why not the mothers of any of the blacks –KILLED BY OTHER BLACKS- IN CHICAGO, OR OTEHR CITIES.?
I read that July had the msot homicides (in one month) in many years, and that most of the victims were black, and killed by blacks.
(This being Chicago).
gravenimage says
Florida: Orlando jihad mass murderer’s father attends Hillary Clinton rally
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Well, I don’t judge anyone by who shows up to their rallies uninvited. But the fact that she was so blase about this creep showing up does not bode well.
More:
Considering the facts that Seddique Mateen has proclaimed that Allah would punish gays, as well as expressing support for the Taliban, his choice of a candidate is interesting. “Hillary Clinton is good for United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions”
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Well, he a solution to keeping foreign Jihadists out. Not something Seddique Mateen wants to see, of course…
More:
Finally we asked if he thought some people would be surprised to see him there, especially given the proximity to Orlando.
“Why should they be surprised? I love the United States, and I’ve been living here a long time,” Mateen said….
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Mateen’s “love” of the Unites States has not prevented him from raising a son who slaughtered 49 Americans in the name of his foul creed…
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The globo-socialists, who go by the misleading name Democrats, have hitched their wagon to the Moslem train. It’s moving, so that’s good, but its direction ain’t so good. Meanwhile, Trump, who’s passively and actively opposed by the WSJ and all manner of crony capitalist camps, is the first politician in history, at least American history, to dabble in telling the actual truth about Moslems.
It’s a dang shame that the MSM has no coverage of Moslems, except the falsehood kind.
Oliver says
Alarmed, I agree- and also note- The WSJ-once one of the fairest of publications- has, in their critique of whatever ( and I mean whatever) Mr. trump says (at least their on-line abbreviated versions) makes him look like an idiot.
Written soudn bites.
Although,James Taranto (Best of the web) recently did defend him, and was critical of Clinton-for misleading and misquoting Mr. trump.
He seems to dislike Trump, but tries to be non biased.
And, by the way-does one really beleive these polls?
1,000 people? (How many were really spoken to, and how many dropped-to get the numbers wanted?)
and how many, whose responses were not liked, not even counted?
Alien Republican says
Swiss Media reported the event and showed a twitter screen shot allegedly from the “Hillary PR Team”.
If this is not fake I do not understand the lack of general outrage over this. Trump should capitalize on this.
” Follow
Hillary PR Team
@OnMessageForHer
Seddique Mateen is just one of the many Americans who have lost a loved one to police violence and realize Hillary will stand up for them.
“
Alien Republican says
Follow up: Shooting a terrorist a case of “police violence” ? I’m at a loss for words.
Kay says
Outrageous!
desidude2 says
Relatives of Jihadists:
You see the father of the jihadist is very happy. his son died yet he is happy and celebrating at the clinton rally. He is happy because his son who may have gay leaning, redeemed himself by sending 49 sinful wicked anti allah people to their early grave where they no doubt will be sent to hell. but his son, his brave jihadist son is in paradise. Yes, in paradise where he is enjoying the company of houris as gift from allah, for good work. He is even happier for the reason that because his son died doing allah’s work, allah is going to intercede for 70 of his relatives. so no matter what the father does from now on his place in paradise is reserved unless he really become apostate and wars against allah , which is bad and will make allah very angry and he may cancel his reservation in paradise. For now he must be a good muslim and make sure that Hillary wins so she can open the country for more muslims and may even approve sharia laws.
Wellington says
The Western MSM will do its best to bury this story just as it did with the 400 million dollar ransom money Obama sent to Iran back in January.
I have come to the conclusion that the foolish and leftist (yeah, pretty much the same thing) Western MSM is actually more of a threat to Western Civilization than are the foolish, usually leftist but not always (e.g., John McCain and Paul Ryan), political elites.
Yes, right now the Western media is failing Western Civilization even more than Western politicians are—–even more than Western academics are. And this is no mean feat. But here in this dubious category the Western MSM comes out on top, I would contend.
So, if I am correct in this analysis, the Western media is an even greater culprit than the many fools in the political realm and academia respecting the preservation of the best of the West from the spiritual tyranny which is Islam. As I said, no mean feat.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
We need to follow the money. Many news sources are owned by Arab/Muslim investors — CNN and Fox, etc.
Wellington says
Agreed, but so are many Western politicians (Hillary Clinton of course) and Western universities (e.g., Georgetown). So, I would assert, we’re back at first base, if you don’t mind the baseball metaphor, why the Western media is arguably even more reprehensible than the politicians and academics?
Perhaps it just comes down to a matter of access. Don’t know. Would like to know.
Demsci says
At times I wonder Wellington, did not you, because of your own good character, expect to much of, well, mankind? Isn’t it “what you see is what you get?” and wasn’t it always so? Mankind, as a whole, does simply live up to your standard’s it seems. Only individuals and some groups do.
It grieves me you seem to be so upset about mere imperfect humans.
Demsci says
Oh, I mean, mankind simply does NOT live up to your standards!
Demsci says
I dare say the same, but luckily, thanks to America shale exploiters, the future looks grim for the oil-rich Arab Islamic states.
The thing I am so surprised about is that many people, including my own brother, do not appreciate the huge advantage of low oil price for the West!
Baucent says
The MSM has risen up like an army to oppose Trump and prevent him winning the Presidency. They are joined by an unlikely coalition of left wing activists and politicians and Republican elites. Senators, Generals and other top people. I’ve been scratching my head as to why these Republicans are so furious towards Trump. It can’t be just because he insults people. No, I believe this coalition of left and right wing elites both fear Trump as he opposes what they both want. Open borders, Free Trade Agreements and NATO.
What would unify the liberal left and right on these issues? The Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission. Trump isn’t a Bilderberg man. Bill Clinton is and was told to back NAFTA by the Bilderberg Group. TPP is likely to be another Bilderberg idea. NATO is a cornerstone of Bilderberg security planning, Trump wants to downgrade or breakup NATO.
Muslims fit in as a convenient tool in breaking down national sovereignty, something Trump opposes. This I believe explains the opposition to Trump from elites in the Left and Right.
Champ says
When questioned whether Clinton’s campaign knew he was going to the event and sitting directly behind the presidential candidate, Mateen said, ” It’s a Democratic party, so everyone can join.”
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Of course Mateen was invited by the Clinton campaign to sit *directly* behind her, so this is NO accident. And Hillary makes me sick to my stomach!
Vote 4 TRUMP!
Angemon says
Hmmmm, let me check:
Hillary – “Vote for me because I’m a woman. That’s right, I have a vagina, so vote for me.”
Trump – “If you vote for me I’ll build a wall to keep illegal aliens out and I’ll ban muslims from entering the US.”
Wellington says
Yep, Angeomon, with respect to American national security, I’ll take a wall and banning over a vagina anytime. This is actually the stark choice Americans are faced with this November. Unfortunately, the extremely compromised and mendacious “vaginal choice” has a very good chance of winning, this being demonstrative in and of itself of how dumbed-down America has really become.
I find myself harboring more and more kinship with those living in the Late Roman Empire (c.180-476 A.D.). I’m certain you know why.
gravenimage says
Yes, we saw a lot of suicidal idiocy in the Late Roman Empire, whose fall ushered in the bloody Dark Ages.
Demsci says
I think so too, Gravenimage. Perhaps we need to descend into civil war, come close to the abyss, in the near future,
But I am heartened by the idea, supported by facts, that on aggregate, with fits and starts, there does seem to be progress in human history.
gravenimage says
I agree–but we could lose all that it has taken hundreds of years for us to build if we fall to Islam.
Guest says
That bitch lost all right to the feminist vote a long time ago for defending a rapist!
Champ says
Mateen said, ” It’s a Democratic party, so everyone can join.”
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Everyone needs to go see Dinesh D’Souza’s brilliant new film, “Hillary’s America”, and you will receive numerous eye-opening *revelations* regarding the corrupt “Democratic party” that Mateen endorses …
Badbob says
He was sitting in the back so he was invited to sit there and he was also at the meet and greet
Ashley says
There is no way in hell this dude would have been cleared by security to be in such close proximity to Clinton…unless Clinton gave the nod and wink.
Unless this photo was shopped/manipulated, it is clear that this was a photo-op approved by Clinton. It is grotesque.
I don’t need to see another video of Hillary acting like a crazed banshee. I don’t generally trust videos. Too much room to edit/manipulate…
If this photo is the Real McCoy…oh, man!
gravenimage says
Ashley, Hillary confirmed he was there in the WPTV article, above.
gravenimage says
By the way, the main problem with the MSM is frequent *omission*–for instance, they will fail to mention that a terrorist is a Muslim.
Now, this is misleading and despicable–but it is *not* the same as lying outright.
Robert Spencer vets all of these stories pretty closely–he would not post some story with a photoshopped photograph, and no respected media outlet would run it with a story.
Ashley says
I agree, Graven. It is just that the photo is so obscene. The father of a jihadist who recently gunned down 49 takes prominent sitting behind a presidential candidate? And sees fit to grin like a Cheshire Cat?
The photo is creepy and beyond disturbing.
Ashley says
How awful that survivors of this attack shared the same venue with Mateen. I feel ill…
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/pulse-survivors-react-to-omar-mateens-father-at-clinton-kissimmee-rally
gravenimage says
Ashley, I’m horrified that Orlando survivors and loved ones were forced to share the share the stage with this monstrous sneering Mohammedan–but I am glad to see that some of them were outraged to learn about it.
The situation in Europe is similar–mourners attending memorial services for Father Jacques Hamel–the priest who was beheaded by Muslims while saying mass–had to tolerate the presence of gloating Mohammedans who invaded the events in supposed solidarity.
Can you imagine going to a funeral and having those who share the same murderous creed as those who killed your loved one sitting beside you? This is *just sick*.
And I imagine we are going to see much, much more of this.
Dum Spiro says
Seddique Mateen’s choice of a candidate is interesting. Any Muslim’s choice of (a woman like) Hillary Clinton is interesting in light of what Muhammad had to say about a woman ruler, don’t you think?
— Spero
tgusa says
Eventually the western left will get all of the islam that they have been fighting for. Inexplicably, modern western leftist culture is without question the most unislamic culture the world has seen since, well, the beginning of time. I wonder how that will all end.
Guest says
That bitch has no shame.
citycat says
“we will be with you as you rebuild your lives”
as Muslims.
Donald Trump has no solutions because the solution is surrender to Islam.
I’m not being prejudiced against women here, but i heard, from a woman, that women can be influenced by the allure of a different culture, or invading peoples who have different qualities.
Surrender is feminine. Just saying.
God Almighty says
Just your average Muslim that cares not for no one, unless you are another Muslim.
gravenimage says
Even then, you better be the “right” kind of Muslim.
Richard Paulsen says
Unthinkable some 30-40 years ago muslims should be in U.S.A. and Europe and kill. We were always being told they needed our help.
It is wrong politics american and european soldiers should go to islamic countries to fight for them instead of the men from islamic countries in U.S.A. and Europe go there and fight themselves.
They have not changed although they have gotten so much money and other help. Just growing worse.
Not fair. They do not respect others. Never mind the amount of help they get. Even growing worse the more help they get.
To help them is to be killed by them. Terrible.
Pong says
It was “unthinkable” only for those, who didn’t think.
Richard Paulsen says
Suppose you are right. It is a disgrace.
gravenimage says
Yes–I never imagined this happening then–I would have thought that anyone who suggested it must be crazy.
duh swami says
Allah planted him there to to consecrate the rally with bismillah…
Bowe’s daddy did it in the Rose Garden and look what it did for the WH…
I’m surprised Hillary doesn’t start all her speeches with bismillah, but maybe that will come if she is elected…
Florida Jim says
Even Bill and Hillary are not that stupid to have this muslim terrorists at their campaign site. this must be a plant or some woman Bill raped who put this slug up to this? Once any muslim who wants a Caliphate Sharia, Jihad, Taqiyya or begins beheading people they should leave everywhere. Make them live together they deserve one another, CAIR should arrange this on their way way out.
Jay Boo says
Bill and Hillary are not stupid, but they are shameless.
They calculate the benefit of appeasing Muslims while knowing the MSM looks away.
mac holliday says
all of these posts and everyone hiding behind their couches,,,afraid to use their true name because if
HRC wins she might send a goon squad to GET YOU…..all of you have that thought in mind…..AFRAID
…..I am glad that our troops overcome their fear and do what is required of them when they are needed..
I am glad that our founding fathers, even knowing the price..”hang together or separately”…they KNEW the
PRICE…….yet they forged AHEAD and did what was needed…..HOW MANY of you will NOT vote because you don’t like either candidate?…..how many of you have given up and said to hell with it?…..YOU ARE
the COWARDS that will allow the Hillary camp to firmly establish themselves and turn this once great
Nation into a nation of serfs doing only her pleasure…..Queen Hillary….what a horrible thought……..
VOTE TRUMP or it will be your FAULT when she gets elected…….
Pong says
When questioned whether Clinton’s campaign knew he was going to the event and sitting directly behind the presidential candidate, Mateen said, ” It’s a Democratic party, so everyone can join.”
That is a lie. Those seats are reserved, they are only for those from a closed circle of the party. Just for that a democratic nominee shouldn’t be considered for the wh.
America, you are a very sick group of people (cannot call you a nation, there is no american nation).
Unfortunately, I cannot see Trump as the president. Too many people are so corrupt, they want a corrupt president. The monkey in the wh at least didn’t have any record and was elected as a affirmative action president. This woman has a terrible record and no solution for any of the problems.
Two groups are totally brainless: the so called jews (real ones don’t support her) and the negros. With hrc in the wh, the negros will continue to slide into poverty, family destruction and crime.
This election is unlike any other. Hrd will take america over the line of no return.
Jay Boo says
I agree
Hijab Hillary is sending a cue for duplicitous Muslims across America to tap into their secret Islamic foreign money exchange and donate to her campaign.
Jay Boo says
Hillary looks even uglier in hijab.
Mazo says
Seddique Mateen never voiced support for the taliban. Mateen is an Afghan nationalist who claims Pashtun land in Pakistan like Khyber Pakhtunkhwa as rightfully Afgjan land.
The Taliban are viewed by Afghan nationalists as working for the Pakistani ISI against Afghan nationalism.
Talib means “student” in the context Mateen was talking about. He was praising young Pashtuns in Pakistan for rising up against the Pakistan government and expresses hope that they would secede and join Afghanistan. He did not express support for the Islamist group Taliban.
Mateen met with and was photogrpahed with the Republican Representative Rohrabacher who has a notorious hard on for wanting to destroy Pakistan and support separatist movements against the Pakistani state.
gravenimage says
The meretricious Mazo wrote:
Seddique Mateen never voiced support for the taliban. Mateen is an Afghan nationalist who claims Pashtun land in Pakistan like Khyber Pakhtunkhwa as rightfully Afgjan (sic) land.
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What claptrap. While he has at times been critical of the Taliban for not going far enough, he has also said this:
“Our brothers in Waziristan, our fighting brothers in the Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he says in one video.
He mostly condemned the Taliban *after* being questioned about it following his son’s massacre at Pulse. He claimed he never supported them, saying implausibly, “the translation must be wrong.”
http://time.com/4368982/orlando-shooting-siddique-mateen-videos/
More:
The Taliban are viewed by Afghan nationalists as working for the Pakistani ISI against Afghan nationalism.
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Seddique Mateen is not necessarily an “Afghan nationalist”–but he certainly is a Pashtun supremacist.
More:
Talib means “student” in the context Mateen was talking about. He was praising young Pashtuns in Pakistan for rising up against the Pakistan government and expresses hope that they would secede and join Afghanistan. He did not express support for the Islamist group Taliban.
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Uh huh…this, in a region where the Taliban recently ruled Afghanistan, and plan to do so again.
Mazo says
You are full of crap again. The Afghan Taliban are viewed as Pakistani ISI puppets by Afghan Pashtun nationalists. Pashtun nationalists are against Pakistan and want all Pashtun land in Pakistan to be taken back by Afghanistan. Pashtun nationalists don’t like Punjabi dominated Pakistan ruling what they regard as rightful Afghan land. Rohrabacher hates Pakistan and Seddique met with him.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-speech-fact-check/
CNN also carefully translated and analyzed numerous commentary videos Seddique Mateen posted on YouTube over the years and found no evidence of Taliban support — in fact, the opposite. (One particular quote has been mistranslated by some news organization as support for the Taliban. Close review by CNN’s translators makes it clear that the word “Talib” he used referenced support for young people, not the terror group.)
gravenimage says
Seddique Mateen is supposedly against terrorism, but it is notable that–in the link in the article Mazo himself linked to–that he did not consider his son to be a terrorist, which renders his supposed opposition to terrorism utterly meaningless.
Then he basically justified the massacre, saying that his son had been “very angry” over seeing two men kissing months before his slaughter.
And the idea that he was just referring to “students” when he cited the Taliban is just absurd. Here are his words:
“Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up”.
Does that sound like a description of simple students to anyone here?
He has also ranted against the United States. That he is appearing in special seating right behind the Democratic candidate for president is utterly appalling. And this is not something that they could have been unaware of–this was *after* all of this had come to light.
R Cole says
The ‘Islamists’ love Hillary!!
Big love and hearts go out to the Hillary Clinton campaign – from those who see Donald trump as a threat to their Islamic plans for America.
Why would the Queen of Pay-to-Play even want to get it?
Muslim Brotherhood Princess Huma Abedin likely was best positioned to arrange large donations to the Clinton Foundation from wealthy Gulf Arab leaders – for all kinds of access that we are only beginning to find out about.
The United States security is dependent upon specified donations to the Clinton Foundation.
It’s Hillary Clinton, a cup of hot cocoa, fury slippers and a calculator. That’s what the state of the nation comes down to ~ folks!!
Everything’s for sale ~ including national security!
R.E.K. says
Huma Abedin: Hillary’s trusted aide, confidant, advisor on matters concerning Is lam. Stealth Jihad.