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Hugh Fitzgerald: Jean-Louis Harouel On France’s “Marche Vers Dhimmitude”

Aug 30, 2016 3:55 pm By Hugh Fitzgerald

Jean-Louis-Harouel

While nearly everyone has expressed an opinion about the burkini ban that was put in place by the mayors of several dozen French municipalities, and then overturned by a decision of the Conseil d’Etat, the views of Jean-Louis Harouel, a French legal historian and polymath, are of unusual significance.

Harouel, a professor emeritus of the History of Law at the University of Paris, criticizes the members of the Conseil d’Etat for their decision, which he says reflects their failure to take into account the difficult period that France is now going through. In the present circumstances, writes Harouel, the “jurisprudential liberalism”’ that might have been acceptable in relatively peaceful times can no longer be justified, given what France is enduring.

I have freely translated his words:

Furthermore, the Conseil d’Etat failed to take into account the fact that France is now engaged in a clash of civilizations, that just in the past year has cost it hundreds of deaths on its own territory, and which made it necessary to maintain the State of Emergency. “Islamism” is now making war on France, and there is no real boundary-line between Islam and Islamism.

The Conseil d’Etat failed to take into account the shock felt by the French people on seeing burkinis deliberately appearing on the beaches so soon after terrible massacres had been committed in France by Muslims acting in the name of their god. So soon after the carnage on the promenade in Nice and the slitting of the throat of a priest while he was fulfilling his priestly duties, such an increase in the flaunting of Muslim identity is truly indecent.

The Conseil d’Etat failed to take into account the fact that at present a silent conquest of Western Europe is underway. This conquest finds its source in the Qur’an where one can read that Allah has promised to give to the Muslims as the spoils of war the lands of the Infidels. That’s how sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradawi, one of the leaders of the UOIE (Union of Muslim Organizations in Europe), the French branch of which is the UOIF (Union of Muslim Organizations in France) put it: “With your democratic laws, we will colonize you. With our Koranic laws, we will dominate you.”

The Conseil d’Etat refused to see that the conquest of our beaches by these burkinis is only one stage in the taking over of France by the forces of political Islam. The Conseil d’Etat refused to see that those wearers of the burkini – like all those who wear variations on the Muslim veil — are the foot-soldiers, whether deeply convinced or merely docile, of a civilizational jihadism which is now trying to conquer our country by stealth.

To speak simply, the “rule of law” too often means condemning the peoples of Europe to helplessness when confronted by the mass immigration that is submerging them, and the aggressive Islam that is in the process of conquering their countries. To be able to react, it will be necessary to give the “rule of law” a bit of a shove, as it is currently being imposed on Europeans in this positively suicidal fashion by the secular religion of human rights.

In this confrontation with Islam, to conceive of the principle of “laicite” as being neutral in regard to different faiths will not work. For Islam is only secondarily a religion in the sense given to that word in Europe. In our country, Islam is now an aggressive civilization that is at war with our own and claims to replace it. Now, facing another civilization bent on our conquest, we cannot be neutral: we have to defend ourselves and counter-attack.

The main point is this: a Muslim living in Europe should not expect to be able to live as he would in a Muslim country. Muslims who have settled on European soil have constantly to be reminded that they are not in Dar al-Islam but, rather, in the land of the Infidels where, even their own sacred texts tell them, they should keep a low profile. If the Muslims living in Europe come to feel that they are living in Dar al-Islam, that will mean the end of Europe.

Professor Harouel is neither “far-right” nor “xenophobic.” He is a scholar accustomed to measuring his words. But in taking to task the Conseil d’Etat for its failure to understand the gravity of the menace, and in limning the limitless ambitions of Islam, what he says is absolutely terrifying.

 

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  1. eduardo odraude says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    Thank you Mr. Fitzgerald for opening a window to goings-on in France. A most encouraging piece of work.

    • kikorikid says

      Aug 31, 2016 at 10:26 pm

      They ALL call America, Dar-al-Harb.

  2. eduardo odraude says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    To Jihad Watch — let’s have a little more like the above words of the law professor who is intellegent about what’s going on — and maybe a little less at Jihad Watch about the beliefs of fools.

    The endless cavalcade of fools demoralizes us. People speaking the pure truth buck us up. Granted, we need both, but let’s have a bit more of the latter.

    • Vicky says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 4:57 pm

      I agree with eduardo odraude.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 9:17 am

        I also.

    • Demsci says

      Aug 31, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      I completely agree with you, Eduardo. What a “good poster” I think you are.

      People like me believe in “Promoting the presence of what you want’, more than “Causing the absence of what you hate”. This professor is great, he defends what France stands for and pinpoints what threathens it, is obstacle for it.

      In a way, perhaps, the Westerners “lapsed” in consciousness of their own great values, tenets, laws. And perhaps Islam is needed to get Democratic Citizens to become aware of them again and defend and even promote them.

      From this standpoint; the inferior civilization-members do have the advantage of being clear and “positive” in what they DO WANT. While the superior civilization-members don’t know anymore what they DO WANT, only what they DON’T WANT, if that.

      But, as Jerry and Esther Hicks, and others too, maintain;
      “Both those who are FOR a set of ideas and practices and pictures and those AGAINST the same set both think about that SAME SET, with accompanying emotions, be it love or hate.”

      And that’s what’s crucial, that’s what gets enhanced, they say. Like in the saying: “there is no such thing as negative publicity”.

      If this is how it works, “We” can see a tripartition:
      A. Muslims, who are FOR Islam.
      B. Democratic Citizens who know for what Better Alternative To Islam they are FOR.
      C. The great mass, disinterested, or only knowing what they are AGAINST; Islam.

  3. Mark A says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    Jean-Louis Harouel is right. He is saying publicly what many people are thinking but are reluctant to say in public.

    As Daniel Pipes stated in a recent video, there are basically two likely scenarios in Europe’s near future: Islam will dominate; or the Europeans will finally say “enough” and rise up against Islam.

    Either way, the result won’t be pretty.

    • t. says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 10:56 pm

      Mark, I don’t think that Europeans, or most westerners in general, will say enough and if ever it will be too late!

      Unfortunately things run deeper than what they seem to be on the surface. Take for example another recent post, down this first page of JW.

      In Wyoming, during a rally against Islamization, one protester said to a Muslim who was on stage that Muhammad their prophet married a six years old child. The Muslim answered back that that was not true!

      The situation regarding Islam in the west, today, is as follows. You have one group of people, who are the biggest liars and deceivers, that the world ever knew, in marketing their religion as anything but what it really is. They do it perfectly, with extreme conviction, ease and smoothness as they believe it to be for the sake of “Allah” and his religion and that they will be rewarded for it!

      On the other hand, you have the second group, who seem to be the majority of westerners, including of course their mainstream media and governments, who are more than eager, even beyond more than eager to believe the flagrant lies of the first group.

      Clearly we got a perfect example of a “lock and key” dynamic between the two groups. In other words the western world is in a big fix, at least for the foreseeable future.

      • Terry says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 5:19 am

        .Aisha was eight years old. Having said that you are right in that Muslims are allowed,, even encouraged to lie, as long as it is in the interests of advancing the cause of Islam while deceiving us kaffirs. As far as I am aware no other religion does that, or has done that in the past.

        Having worked for a number of years in Saudi Arabia, I am fully aware of their attitude towards women while even getting the women to talk nonsense about being “empowered” On one occasion, my wife and I were returning to the Kingdom after leave. The women and girls were dressed exclusively in western style, some of them with outrageously short mini skirts, and wet look skirts were a favourite. The men were dressed more suitably for a Florida beach. The moment we crossed into Saudi Airspace however. The toilets became full scale changing rooms. By the time we landed. all were “suitably” attired. This business of being empowered is rubbish. As a matter of interest, when we could get into a toilet, they were in a disgusting state. So much fr the benefits of Islam

        • Ballantine1979 says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 12:26 am

          “.Aisha was eight years old.”

          Where did you get eight years old from? Islamic sources say she was six when Mohamed married her. Educate yourself:

          http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/canonical-hadiths-say-muhammad-in-his.html

        • t. says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 1:14 pm

          “As far as I am aware no other religion does that, or has done that in the past.”

          Good point, Terry! By the way, Aisha was married when she was six but consummated marriage when she was 9, as explained in Ballantine1979’s comment.

        • Trico (@tricolorro) says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 1:31 pm

          “As far as I am aware no other religion does that…”
          That’s because Islam is really a Political Ideology wrapped in a religion.
          Islam is a Wolf (Political Ideology) dressed in Sheep’s clothing (religion).

  4. Keys says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    Finally, informed clear-eyed remarks by a respected French scholar.

    Let’s hope European leaders and their electorate will soon be of similar mind to reverse the planned Muslim invasion and eventual Islamization of Europe including “Al-Andalus”.

    Would this be considered hate speech in Great Britian or Germany?

  5. Carmel says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    Thank you Mr Fitzgerald for your input today . Every culture has its characteristics, French civilisation is a culture of words . Knowing this , the comment of Jean -Louis Harouel is powerful in such a context . Other civilisation have other values . In America , such a text does not have the same impact . One has to know this before saying anything unless he or she doesn’t care to amke a fool of himself or herself , eventually .

    • Kepha says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 10:15 pm

      I disagree. America is also a strongly rhetorical culture.

      I’m sobered by Harouel’s words. I have no love of the “great leader” cult, and firmly believe that a rule of law based on lex divino et naturale is infinitely preferable to absolute monarchy or dictatorship. Yet it is becoming clearer by the day that we are entering into a Huntingtonian time; perhaps even for drastic action against our elected radicals and Islamicist invaders. It pains me to even contemplate this.

      • faraway says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 2:29 pm

        Yes,western civilisation has never been so threatened;new times,new rules but our ‘leaders’ will not even name the enemy.

  6. RAB says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    As much as I would like to disagree with LaPunta I am forced to admit that that is my considered opinion as well. If we heard more words like those of this obviously well-informed professor they might have some force but the fact is the sensible ban on the burkini was overturned and we are back to square one on that regard. As for the “froggy” comment that too is apt. I had a very good French Canadian friend who once asked me “Do you know why they call us ‘frogs?” “No,” I said. “Because we croaka too much.” That from an honest French Canadian! How often have I heard the plaintiff question from English speaking Canadians: “What do the French really want?” The big difference between the Muslims and the French is that the latter aren’t cutting off English heads to get what they want.

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 3, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      Your good French Canadian friend seems to speak English with an Italian accent. Your post is a crock as well as drivel.

  7. Trico (@tricolorro) says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    What great insight expressed by Professor Jean-Louis Harouel. I pray this type of insight and understanding becomes infectious and replaces Political Correctness although I realize that is an unrealistic expectation for the Leftist Progressives. A woman apologizing to her rapist for raping her ia not something I can wrap my head around.
    –
    Some Take Away quotes for me:
    “With your democratic laws, we will colonize you. With our Koranic laws, we will dominate you.
    -Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradawi, Union of Muslim Organizations in Europe
    –
    “to conceive of the principle …(of) being neutral in regard to different faiths will not work. For Islam is only secondarily a religion in the sense given to that word”
    –
    “a Muslim living in Europe should not expect to be able to live as he would in a Muslim country.”
    –
    That last quote reminds me of some Words Of Wisdom attributed to Vladimir Putin. I don’t know if these are Putin’s words but they are great
    and should be written into a Customized Pledge that EVERY Refugee, Migrant, Immigrant has to sign no matter where they come from:
    –
    “In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslims then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’.

    • Mazo says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 9:48 pm

      Kalmyk Buddhists and Bashkir Muslims in the Russian army crushed the French invasion forces of 1812. The Russian Tsar sent the Kalmyks and Bashkirs all the way to France to pursue Napoleons army. They were part of the army which occupied France when Napoleon was ousted. There were Buddhist and Muslim Cossacks. Not all Cossacks were Orthodox Slavs.

      • Kepha says

        Aug 30, 2016 at 10:16 pm

        Still, most Russian soldiers were Orthodox.

        • Mazo says

          Aug 30, 2016 at 10:42 pm

          Some western white supremacists fantasize about Cossacks being some white power christian group.

          The only people the Cossacks were against on a personal level were Jews. All the other enemies they fought were enemy countries of the Russian state, whether Christian, Muslim or other religions.

          There were Muslim Tatar Cossacks and Buddhist Mongol Buryat Cossacks under the Tsars and one of the leaders of an Australian based Transbaikal Cossack group Simeon Boikov looks like a mixed Buryat Mongol who would be kicked out of western neo nazi groups and get called a gook by them.

          Tsarist Russian aristocracy had paternal Mongol Tatar blood from the Yusupovs and other Tatar nobles and sub saharan African blood from Gannibal.

          The current Russian Defence Minister has a Mongoloid Tuvan father and a white Slavic mother.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 10:58 pm

      What a load from Mazo. He may try to pretend that Muslims are fully integrated into Russian society, but they regularly wage violent Jihad there, and have imposed Shari’ah law in Chechnya. Muslims in Russia have the same goals as Mohammedans everywhere.

      • Mazo says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 4:11 am

        Cravenmirage, its North Caucasians like Chechens and Dagestanis which have comitted attacks in Russia. Chechnya and Dagestan are far from Moscow yet the only people who have attacked there are Chechens and Dagestanis.

        Volga Tatars and Bashkirs have not committed any attacks. They live in the Volga and Urala and are far closer to Moscow than the North Caucasians.

        If Volga Tatars and Bashkirs committed attacks, most of Russia’s heartland and Moscow would be in flames given their location.

        And instead its bands of a few North Caucasians going all the way north to commit attacks while millions of Tatars and hundreds of thousands of Bashkirs next door to Moscow do nothing.

        Show us evidence that Tatars and Chrchens have the same mentality.

      • Mazo says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 5:25 am

        Polish Catholics who hate Middle Easterners but are friendly with their own Lipka Tatar Muslims. Your shit stirring won’t work in Eastern Europe.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 3, 2016 at 1:56 pm

          Mazo, you are an ignorant moron unfit to clean Graven’s shoes. Your stupidity is endless, as is your boring habit of lying.

    • islam the religion of killers says

      Aug 31, 2016 at 6:28 am

      You have to love Putin,,,, hard ass, protecting his history and his people ….
      Obana would have said yes please, come on in,
      would you like money,
      would you like extra money for housing,
      money for clothes & food,
      would you like the social welfare for the rest of your lives,
      and for your many children and their children ….
      The willing workers of Europe and the US will gladly shoulder your leaching and your arrogance

      We can do whatever you want, we will love sharia it’s so romanitc and multicultural ……

  8. August West says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    Interesting commentary coming from a modern University Professor. i wonder what kind of pressure he will be subjected to for writing this?

    The following quote resonated with me, and I plan to paraphrase it when I discuss Islam with others:
    “So soon after the carnage on the promenade in Nice and the slitting of the throat of a priest while he was fulfilling his priestly duties, such an increase in the flaunting of Muslim identity is truly indecent.”

    Also, I noticed in his text the phrase: “clash of civilizations”

    For those that have not seen it, The Clash of Civilizations is a book by Huntington and is probably the most useful framework available for understanding and discussing the current global events. I hear the phrase “Clash of Civilizations” more and more, and with each day it becomes more and more relevant to me.

    Another quote from Huntington’s book is that “the borders of Islam are bloody”. This is true and in clear evidence as the borders of Islam cut further and further into Western Civilization.

    For those that are interested, there are good 1 or 2 hour summaries of this book on YouTube and anybody that is not familiar with this subject matter will benefit from listening to them.

    Conservatives view books like 12 Rules for Radicals, Clash of Civilizations, 1984 and Atlas Shrugged as nightmare scenarios. The Left, however, reads these books and says WOW what a great idea, lets adopt them as playbooks!!!!!

    • ECAW says

      Aug 31, 2016 at 3:50 am

      “Interesting commentary coming from a modern University Professor. i wonder what kind of pressure he will be subjected to for writing this?”

      Being emeritus he can afford to speak his mind. Most people still working know what would likely happen if they spoke the truth at their place of work.

      As an aside, I remember twenty odd years ago remarking to a Muslim work colleague “Your god seems to be a bit of a sadistic bully doesn’t he?” No one thought twice about it, he didn’t even chop my head off. Would anyone with any sense say the same at their workplace today?

      • Mirren10 says

        Sep 1, 2016 at 8:46 am

        ”As an aside, I remember twenty odd years ago remarking to a Muslim work colleague “Your god seems to be a bit of a sadistic bully doesn’t he?” No one thought twice about it, he didn’t even chop my head off.”

        What has *caused* the change, do you think ? Apart from the obvious, ie: more mohammedan immigration, and their infiltrating themselves into positions of power and influence ?

        I’m still thinking about your question, ECAW. I’ll email you soon.

        • ECAW says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 12:49 pm

          Well, there’s a big question Mirren10. Too big for me, especially as I don’t live in Britain any more and get my impressions second hand.. A couple of things, probably side issues, come to mind though. Elsewhere on this thread the book “Freakonomics” came up. The thing which stuck with me from it was their simple point that people react to incentives, and disincentives. As Pat Condell says “Everyone knows that when you criticise Islam there will be trouble”. But underneath that I feel the fact that everyone knows that violence is always possible but cannot admit it is important.

          No answer, I know. What do you think is the killer ingredient?

  9. overman says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    France needs another Bonaparte. l can see another Revolution happening there soon – Civil War in other words. Different enemy, of course – both parasites, though.

  10. mortimer says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    At last! Only someone like Jean-Louis Harouel, a respected French legal historian, can bring some sanity to the issue of Islamic expansion in the West.

    A legal expert is required to guide us on the legal route out of this lobster trap! Islam is totalitarian and totalizing. Islam is a 7th century political philosophy that is completely incompatible and irreconcilable with modernity, rationalism and human rights.

    Other legal experts need to start the way back to sanity by reading Jean-Louis Harouel and beginning their own plans to liberate the West from the tentacles, if not the boa constrictor embrace, of draconian Islam.

  11. Mockingjay says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    “There is no real boundary-line between Islam and Islamism”.

    – What an excellent resumé of everything Robert Spencer has been trying to teach the
    world.

    And how encouraging that there are professors of law who get it.

    • ECAW says

      Aug 31, 2016 at 3:53 am

      Yes, that is an excellent phrase. I am always disappointed that Daniel Pipes, who I greatly admire, thinks the two can be separated.

    • Demsci says

      Aug 31, 2016 at 2:35 pm

      Agreed that there is no boundary-line between Islam and Islamism”. I am THAT wise and I agree that Islam is hopeless!

      So I see what Daniel Pipes and the likes, and even Jasser and Manji, are doing as a tactical game.

      And the crucial point might be this: Is Islam CLEAR or UNCLEAR?!

      To be sure; Most of us do know what Better Alternatives there are for Islam and support that.
      And in that context Islam is threat and obstacle to that.

      But what sort of obstacle; A clear all bad one, or an unclear, multi-interpretable one?

      And if we concentrate on Quran-Hadits-Sira, which is what Bill Warner does. And only for other purposes take into account all these “exegetes”, “tafsirs”. And if we remember that Quran-Hadiths-Sira are now more than a 1000 years unchanged.

      Then A. We get vindicated a lot when we posit Islam’s unclarity, multi-interpretability. Why, even Robert Spencer jokes about it all the time, and David Wood expands on it in his video’s a lot, as do other brave “counterjihadists’. And really, even “clear texts” still get interpreted in 2 or more ways often, it is human nature, or inherent in language!

      And B. We can use this observation-opinion-position so to our advantages in confounding the political correct people by conceding to them that we do not “paint all Muslims with the same brush”. And demand that they don’t do it either, but in the opposite, innocent way.

      Instead we can posit that Islam is A. Dangerously unclear, at least in parts.
      B. Demonstrably, in regard to our values, laws, goals, happiness;
      “detrimentally interpreted by hundreds of millions of Muslims”.

      And if adhering to a religion is a choice, not an accident of birth, then it is arguable that holding on to such an unclear, and in this bad way so often interpreted Islam, is a responsibility for Muslims coming into, living onto, wanting to stay inside Democratic nations. And follow Harouel’s advice to let Muslims consciously and clearly choose our side, our essential laws, tenets, values, loyalties.

      And IF Islam is multi-interpretable, then they CAN do that or Pretend that. And we can hold them to it.

      • Michael says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 9:00 pm

        Islam is not “multi-interprable” in any important sense. It’s goals are as clear as a bell. The ringing sound in our ears is that of CONQUEST. Any fantasy of multiculturalism that includes an islam corner is a delusion.

        • Demsci says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 1:38 am

          Yes, YES,

          but this tactical game is only the beginning. Consider that Muslims are either continually lying, distracting or genuinely very confused (those Muslims that also believe the lying of other Muslims is true; even the lying is confusing them in the long run).

          Once we have a tool to “discriminate” against Muslims by demanding from them to choose, we can hold them to it, unmask them when they covertly renege. Take legal action etc. And we can demand it from Mosques too. We can take it from there.

  12. Wellington says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    In brief, this French law professor has expressed a timeless truth, i.e., that Islam is a burden to all mankind (and especially to the West) as no other religion even remotely is.

    And so I have a particular, VERY SPECIFIC, communication to people like Zuhdi Jasser and Irshad Manji, who keep trying to whitewash Islam or believe in its capacity to reform or who extoll it in any way.

    Here it is: You are arguably worse than the worst Islamic barbarians because you keep trying to put forth a fantasy version of Islam, a happy face on Islam, that does not exist and thus by way of this massive error you provide Islam continuing respectability when, in fact, it deserves none.

    You and your kind are whitewashers of evil per se. Shame on you and those like you. I’ve had it not only with the pure Islamic barbarians who demonstrate daily what Islam is really all about, but I’ve also had it with so-called moderate Muslims (and dhimmi apologists for Islam) who keep trying to find good in something which has been evil to its core from its very inception.

    Get this. Done here.

    • Trico (@tricolorro) says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 7:10 pm

      “And so I have a particular, VERY SPECIFIC, communication …”
      Woe, much applause. That was great!

      • Trico (@tricolorro) says

        Aug 30, 2016 at 9:51 pm

        Wow, much applause. not woe.

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 1, 2016 at 8:51 am

      Wellington said;

      ”You are arguably worse than the worst Islamic barbarians because you keep trying to put forth a fantasy version of Islam, a happy face on Islam, that does not exist and thus by way of this massive error you provide Islam continuing respectability when, in fact, it deserves none.”

      Well said, Wellington, and excellently put.

      And Jean-Louis Harouel’s critique was also excellent.

  13. Eur says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    Olé! !

  14. Mockingjay says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    “To speak simply, the “rule of law” too often means condemning the peoples of Europe to helplessness… ”

    Oh yes.

    Our own laws are being constantly and systematically used against us.

    We are followers of “the secular religion of human rights” as professor Harouel so aptly calls it, since we in the West follow the concept of human rights slavishly, without EVER daring to question its tenets in ANY way whatsoever.

    There can simply be no discussion about it, as with the most dogmatic of creeds.

    But if it will stay that way, it definitely WILL be the end of ALL freedom, and ALL human rights.

  15. Markk says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    In my opinion going after the Burkini is somewhat misplaced, France finally reacts to the slaughter against it by- picking on a few hapless sunbathers? It’s good in the sense that the local mayors are taking a stand, however how about bigger issues such as closing down Mosques and throwing Imans out who preach extremism and exposing their views?

    • TJ says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      I agree with you Mark. Not very likely to happen though because there are too many atheists in power in France. The atheists are typically strong supporters of abortion and they have noticed the Muslims will vote for politicians who support abortion at a much higher rate than Christians will. No way should people who like playing the odds like this should ever have anything to do with national security. A lot of people are dead due to this perverse arrangement. As a Nazarite, I understand the strategy in the book of Daniel better then the normal Christian does. It is specifically built to crush this dangerous unholy alliance so you should look to Daniel’s strategy for relief.

      • Pong says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 1:56 am

        In America abortion played a positive role, as almost all of them were unmarried black women. Great number of potential criminals were not born because of abortion.

        • ECAW says

          Aug 31, 2016 at 3:57 am

          You’ve read “Freakonomics” haven’t you?

        • Demsci says

          Aug 31, 2016 at 2:15 pm

          ECAW, I did read it, I know what you mean.

          Across the board abortion soared after a change in the law; Across Americans, great numbers of “angry young men in a disadvantaged position” were not born due to this.
          Also the very percentage of young men declined.

          16 to 20 years later the criminality numbers began to fall, in many big cities, sometimes almost like a stone. Many people attributed many causes to this, and this was “Freakonomics” explanation.

      • Angemon says

        Sep 14, 2016 at 11:49 am

        TJ posted:

        “and they have noticed the Muslims will vote for politicians who support abortion at a much higher rate than Christians will. ”

        Because of their (the muslim’s) stance on abortion or because that parties support abortion tend to be left-leaning and, as such, also act as appointed defenders of minorities like muslims?

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 11:45 pm

      Those pushing the “Burkini” are Muslim supremacists and stealth Jihadists, not “hapless sunbathers”.

      • Mockingjay says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 9:03 am

        … and they certainly aren’t “sunbathers” in any real sense – since the sun never gets the chance to touch a muslima’s skin.

        – They must all be terribly vitamin D deprived, which is very, very bad for health, as more and more research is showing ( – while all good research ALSO shows that the “skincancer-scare” is WIDELY overblown).

        – Vitamin D deprivation likely even contributes to the development of ALL sorts of cancer.

        Those muslims really hate their women.

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 1, 2016 at 8:58 am

      Markk says;

      ” … France finally reacts to the slaughter against it by- picking on a few hapless sunbathers? ”

      It’s not possible to sunbathe in a burkini.

      This deliberate flaunting of the burkini on French beaches is *calculated*, just as the so-called ‘viral’ picture of the burkinie woman being told to strip by les flics was deliberately staged.

      So the burkini issue is a symbol of a far greater issue, and French mayors are right to stand against the high court ruling.

      ” … how about bigger issues such as closing down Mosques and throwing Imans out who preach extremism and exposing their views?”

      Yes, however, one must start somewhere. Perhaps the burkini issue will be the spark to the flame. I sincerely hope so.

  16. Georg says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    “The main point is this: a Muslim living in Europe should not expect to be able to live as he would in a Muslim country.”

    End of story.

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 1, 2016 at 9:03 am

      *Exactly*.

      It’s just basic common sense, so why are we letting, even *encouraging* them, to do it ?

  17. vlparker says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    Banning the burkini, while allowing the totalitarian, barbaric ideology that gave birth to it to exist within your country, is brain-dead, moronic, libtard stupid. Forget the burkini. The burkini is a symptom, islam is the disease. Ban islam.

    • Georg says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 10:54 pm

      agreed. it is the state vs. islam

      they do not accept secularism

      to deny this is to usher calamity

    • Infidela says

      Aug 30, 2016 at 11:03 pm

      Banning the burkini is the first step towards banning Islam.

      • ECAW says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 4:07 am

        Or is it an irrelevant distraction from the serious problems that politicians daren’t face?

        Personally I do not applaud this ban because:

        1. It is an absolute gift to Muslim grievance mongers. I am surprised we haven’t already seen mass gatherings of Muslimas and witless SJWs on French beaches with camera crews in tow.

        2. I wish to see greater polarisation between the host and the invasive parasites. We need to have their enmity rubbed in our faces on all fronts in so many ways and for so long before we recognise it.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 10:05 am

          Not irrelevant. Shari’a is pushed through innumerable “harmless” wedges whose purpose is to condition the infidel society to greater acceptance and accommodation of Islam. Halal meats, special prayer spaces, proliferation of Islamic dress, proliferation of mosques, the curbing of offensive speech that hurts the feelings of Muslims. All begin small and always the opposing of them is a gift to Muslim grievance mongers. The infidels are to become conditioned to the hijab, and then follows the burqa and niqab. Schools eventually are serving halal meat. Muslim holidays are recognized on the calendar. Then maybe Shari’a courts for family matters are allowed, then Shari’a banking practices, to general indifference. None of it is harmless, none of it is small, and all of it needs to be nipped in the bud.

        • Mirren10 says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 10:13 am

          Excellent points, Jack.

        • ECAW says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 12:22 pm

          Jack – I’m sure we all understand that here but you have to choose your targets because the majority don’t understand.

          Opposing clothing that doesn’t present a security risk like the burqa or niqab just makes us look vindictive, especially concentrating on women’s clothing. Do you also propose also banning men wearing pyjamas and straggly beards? How would you presnt that to the unconverted?

          Not only that,but I think that the burqini helps our cause by showing Muslims concerns as ridiculous, also burqas which are sinister and are ridiculed as “binbags”. I don’t think we’re going to get out of this without full confrontation therefore I am in favour of things which emphasise just how unassimilable Muslims are and help to polarise us.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 2:22 pm

          My quibble had to with you saying it was irrelevant. Islamic uniforms are a political statement, first and foremost. That Islam, real Islam, is here, and going nowhere. Shari’a is here and taking over. Burqas and niqabs are also certainly a security risk, as they have been used many times in carrying out terrorism, hiding weapons and disguising men as women. They also symbolize Islam’s oppression of women, which does not belong in France or any free society (even if Muslim women ‘want’ to wear them). Perhaps the ban is a teaching moment for the infidel majority who think it harmless and vindictive to prohibit it. Along with the rest of the “little” demands I mentioned that always come with the Muslim hijrah.

          I get your point, you want them to be able to announce themselves. When you see the Muslima in the burqa at the store you know there is a husband who looks like bin Laden and thinks like bin Laden at home. When do you want to confront it? What does polarization mean (help to polarize us) in terms of dead or assaulted infidels and lost freedoms and creeping shari’a, in the meantime? I’d say you are better off making it unacceptable and unwelcome now, and that infidels know the reason why they don’t welcome or accept it. To perhaps minimize the destructiveness (to ourselves) of that full confrontation. That would be if Prof. Harouel reflected the true voice of France and not the Conseil d’Etat.

        • ECAW says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 2:47 pm

          Ok, not irrelevant but relatively trivial and literally superficial. Too busy at the moment to answer in full but I repeat do you also propose banning men wearing pyjamas and a particular kind of beard? If not, why not?

        • Jack Diamond says

          Sep 1, 2016 at 4:58 pm

          You know where they have no problem banning those beards? Muslim countries who understand what they signify. Like Tajikstan, “as part of an “anti-radicalisation campaign”, police in the Khatlon region reportedly shaved the beards of 13,000 men.” And “President Emomali Rahmon has been ruling the country since 1994 and is soon expected to approve a legislation that will promote secular values, which includes banning Arabic-sounding and “foreign” names officially”…(the hijab is also banned, and he’s said: “even in mourning, Tajik women [should] wear white, not black”).
          http://www.dawn.com/news/1234918

          During Mubarak’s era, Islamist groups were seen as enemies of the state and any kind of beard precluded an Egyptian from holding a senior government post.

          So no, I wouldn’t have a problem with banning Islamic beards either.

          But equating beards with burqas and niqabs is wrong. The latter are much more egregious because a) they are a danger to public safety–they have been used in suicide-homicide bombings frequently and they hide gender, so that the 2005 London bombers escaped wearing niqabs (a tradition going back to Muhammad); and b) they symbolize specifically the subjugation of women and violence towards women in Islam (women who do not wear them and are beaten or raped or killed).

          Both the beards and the burqas are political symbols, many Muslims argue they are not intrinsic to their religion at all. They should be treated as such.

        • ECAW says

          Sep 2, 2016 at 2:01 am

          I was equating beards and pyjamas with burqinis, not burqas and niqabs which present a security problem, as I’m sure you realised.

          And you take your lead on beards and suchlike from Muslim dictators?

          I really don’t think there is anything left to discuss.

      • jeremysteering@gmail.com says

        Aug 31, 2016 at 1:48 pm

        Infidela, you are so right. People forget that a journey of 1000 miles begins with one step.

  18. Peter says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    Too bad more Europeans and other Westerners cannot think with such depth and clarity of the Islamic threat.

  19. Dacritic says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    When visitors or friends stay over at a host’s place, they don’t attempt to renovate the house.

  20. davej says

    Aug 30, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    If you really want to do something ban the Koran and tear down the Mosques. Never mind the brainwashed Muslimas in their burkinis. We must strike at the source, not the banal symptoms.

  21. Kay says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 3:27 am

    Harouel deserves to be widely heard.

    Every time I hear someone sensible I feel a bit of hope.

  22. Baucent says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 4:33 am

    “The main point is this: a Muslim living in Europe should not expect to be able to live as he would in a Muslim country. Muslims who have settled on European soil have constantly to be reminded that they are not in Dar al-Islam but, rather, in the land of the Infidels where, even their own sacred texts tell them, they should keep a low profile. If the Muslims living in Europe come to feel that they are living in Dar al-Islam, that will mean the end of Europe.”

    Spoken with a clarity and insight and yes common sense that escapes the politicians and the MSM.

  23. Richard Paulsen says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 4:47 am

    How come there is such a difference in opinion between the Supreme Court and a renowned historian?
    Maybe the law is such that the Court can not say anything else than decided and has to leave changing of law to the Government and Parliament and the People.
    Sincerely hope the law will be changed.

  24. Richard Paulsen says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 4:54 am

    If the law says 10 years in jail for parking offence it is 10 years in jail. It is up to Government, Parliament, the People to change the law if they find the law unjust. A Court can not change the law.

  25. Richard Paulsen says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 5:25 am

    Burkini is not a free choice. Bikini is a free choice. Burkini is law and should be used by anyone according to the law. There can not be such a law in a country respecting freedom. Thus burkini should be forbidden.

  26. stevea56 says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 6:02 am

    I would just point out that, if you go to the source of this comment by Harouel, at Le Figaro, as linked to by Hugh, you will find more there than appears in Hugh’s excellent translation.

    Not essential stuff but still interesting.

    • Hugh Fitzgerald says

      Aug 31, 2016 at 9:38 am

      Yes, I chose to leave out some of the material..

  27. Matthieu Baudin says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 8:44 am

    “…The Conseil d’Etat failed to take into account the shock felt by the French people on seeing burkinis deliberately appearing on the beaches so soon after terrible massacres had been committed in France by Muslims acting in the name of their god…”

    Yes, yes, yes, it has been truly indecent; ‘in your face intransigence and intimidation’; what self respecting people in the world would put up with this provocative behaviour without some show of resistance?

    Hugh Fitzgerald, you are a man of conscience.

  28. Florida Jim says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 10:37 am

    The explanation makes sense the lies simply prolong the agony to come. End all muslims in any free coubntry because freedom and Islam cannot exist together Dumping Syrian refugees in America only prolongs America’s agony for perfect freedom unknown in any muslim mosques,nation or person.
    America tries to improve but is dragged down by democrats and muslims.

  29. Alec Rawls says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    Dealing with the Muslim threat does not require any “shove” aside of the rule of law, as the good professor suggests. It only requires that the rule of law finally be invoked and applied. Orthodox Islam, as defined by a thousand+ years of Islamic jurisprudence and encoded in sharia law, is a perfectly explicit conspiracy to commit mass murder of non-Muslims, fully prosecutable under existing laws against conspiracy to commit murder. Just start enforcing this most basic law!

  30. awake says

    Aug 31, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    Islam is inconceivable. No one knows what Islam means, neither Islamic scholar, nor Islamic jihadist.

    Nowhere in the annuls of history or human consciousness, has any absolute truth been so misunderstood as Islam, so divine in its textual context, that no Muslim could ever be expected to be understand it at all.

    I personally have pity on Muslims, following a perfect doctrine, that appears to be nigh impossible to understand, based on its perfection, and its inherent message of peace for all of mankind.

    I personally also have double-pity, for the global masses of non-Muslims. They are constantly bombarded with these false and negative stereotypes of Islam, a divine doctrine of world peace, impossible to comprehend and follow due to its superior moral and divine mandates, dedicated to peace.

    We need to retroactively refute all these unfortunate jihadists, and their acts of murder, these poor souls who cannot possibly comprehend the perfect, peaceful message of Islam.

    We all have a lot of adjusting to do. We owe it to Islam, and frankly, for all of mankind.

    Inshallah!

  31. Ballantine1979 says

    Sep 1, 2016 at 12:27 am

    Another thought from Harouel not included above:

    Interviewer: Some have proposed to set in place a “Guantanamo” for the French. One is not able to say whether this has been successful for the US even from the strict view of security.

    Harouel: “One thing is sure: a people is not able to fight effectively against an implacable enemy, while tolerating in its midst the presence of elements from which it has good reason to fear it is being fought from within. During the second world war after Pearl Harbor, the US had to intern in camps citizens of Japanese origin. That has become very criticized in the name of human rights, but in the context of [our] age, it appears indispensable and legitimate.”

    http://cinquiemecolonne.canalblog.com/archives/2016/07/31/34139804.html

    • kikorikid says

      Sep 1, 2016 at 1:02 pm

      That is some torturous language to tell us we have “Sleeper-Cells”.

      It is not an accident that they are here. Both Sunni and Shia, the one
      thing they agree on is “Global Jihad”. Americans have been betrayed
      by a President who is absolutely “Sharia Compliant”..

  32. Xmascrab says

    Sep 1, 2016 at 8:30 am

    If Western countries want to hold on to our democratic freedoms, we need to strongly exercise our freedom to defend our way of living. We have to defend our borders and decide who can enter our countries and remind new-comers that they are welcome to participate in our way of life or exercise their freedom to leave.
    Take heed of the words of Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradawi, one of the leaders of the UOIE (Union of Muslim Organizations in Europe), the French branch of which is the UOIF (Union of Muslim Organizations in France) … “With your democratic laws, we will colonize you. With our Koranic laws, we will dominate you.”
    I particularly liked the professor’s observation that; “If the Muslims living in Europe come to feel that they are living in Dar al-Islam, that will mean the end of Europe.”

    I’m from Australia and I fear we will see this parasitic plague overtake our country too. I never want to see my home being part of Dar al-Islam

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