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Hugh Fitzgerald: Pope Francis To ISIS: Tell Us What You Really Think

Aug 4, 2016 3:19 am By Hugh Fitzgerald

Italy Pope Holy Thursday

Dada and Surrealism may have outlived their welcome in Parisian salons, but they have found a warm welcome on Papal planes, and at the Vatican itself. The Pope has yet again delivered himself of more of his no-longer-surprising, but always disturbing, comments on Islam. He has said in the past that Islam is a “religion of peace” and that “Islam has nothing to do with violence.” Last month at a press conference he finally recognized that there is indeed a “war” going on in the world, “but it’s a real war, not a religious war. It’s a war of interests, a war for money. A war for natural resources and for the dominion of the peoples.” That war, not a war mandated by the Qur’an, but a war that has nothing to do with Islam, is what the Pope insists is roiling the world today. It can’t possibly have anything to do with religion, for “every religion wants peace,” said a Pope who has chosen to forget centuries of religious warfare, between Protestant and Catholic, in Europe, and to overlook more than 1,400 years of religious warfare between Muslim and Christian, Muslim and Jew, Muslim and Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist.

How does he know that Islam is peaceful? Oh, he just knows. And he had a private meeting in May, a little “dialogue” where, as he put it, “the meeting is the message,” with Ahmed Al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, who assured him that Islam was as peaceful as all get out. No one in the Pope’s retinue brought up some of Al-Tayeb’s less soothing statements, such as this remark about Jews: “Since the inception of Islam 1,400 years ago, we have been suffering from Jewish and Zionist interference in Muslim affairs. This is a cause of great distress for the Muslims.” Al-Tayeb has also claimed that Jews consider non-Jews to be “extremely inferior” and that Jews “practice a terrible hierarchy, and they are not ashamed to admit it, because it is written in the Torah – with regard to killing, enslavement, and so on.”

These remarks are all part of the public record, located by a quick google click. But perhaps the Pope should have focused on Al-Tayeb’s remark that “the Quran said it and history has proven it: ‘You shall find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers to be the Jews and the polytheists.’” The “polytheists” in question are the Christians, especially the Catholic Christians, guilty of “shirk” (which deserves death in Muslim theology), that is, polytheism, because they believe in the Holy Trinity, which in the Muslim view ascribes “partners” to God. Most Christians, of course, do not think of Christianity as polytheistic, but it’s the Muslim view that matters here, and the Qur’anic injunction upon which it is based.

Reporters on the plane flying back to Rome from Warsaw asked the Pope why he never uses the world “Islam” to describe terrorism or other violence.

“It’s not right to identify Islam with violence. It’s not right and it’s not true,” he replied.

“I don’t like to talk of Islamic violence because every day, when I go through the newspapers, I see violence,” the pope said, in apparent reference to news of crime in the predominantly Catholic country of Italy.

“And these are baptized Catholics. If I speak of Islamic violence, then I have to speak of Catholic violence.”

So let’s try to get this straight. If, for example, a man in Milan kills his wife in a crime of passion, or a robber shoots a jeweler in Palermo, according to the Pope these are examples of “Catholic violence,” and the Pope feels that if he speaks “of Islamic violence, then I have to speak of Catholic violence.” This is nonsense. The scope and scale of Islamic violence, over 1,400 years, leading to tens of millions of victims all over the world, are completely different in kind from the intra-family or criminal violence which the Pope wants us to believe proves that Catholic violence must be mentioned in the same breath as Islamic violence. The jihadists of Charlie Hebdo, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, the kosher market, Bataclan, Amsterdam, Madrid, London, and of course New York and Washington, were not acting in violation of Islamic norms but according to them, in furtherance of them, whereas the “baptized Catholics” who kill their wives or a jeweler during a robbery are violating Christian norms.

The clearest Islamic response to the Pope’s insistence that there is no such thing as a “war of religion,” that the war in question is, “like all wars” — in the Pope’s unwaveringly Marxist analysis — a war over resources of all kinds (natural resources, land, money, subjugation of peoples), is that which has just appeared in the 15th number of Dabiq, the magazine of the Islamic State. It is one long scream of hatred against Christians, the “arrogant disbelievers,” including by name Pope Francis, calling on Muslims to “pray for Allah’s curse to be upon the liars.” “Break your crosses” these Christians are urged, give up Christianity and embrace Islam:

“[Christians] have the option of trying to cling to the transient luxuries of this life, rejecting the truth in favour of either paying jizyah [tax] to the Islamic State or continuing to wage a futile war against it.

“Alternatively, they can heed the warning of Allah that the worldly life is not guaranteed even for those who pursue it at the expense of their salvation, and thus choose to embrace Islam, champion the truth, attain the mercy of their Lord, and enter the Gardens of Paradise.”

The article also warns those in the West that they will be “crushed” by the Islamic State, and the “war against Islam will neither succeed nor benefit you. You will fail because you fight against those who have allied with Allah.”And Dabiq foresees attacks all across Europe in this fight that will end in Islam’s complete victory.

It continues: “Do you claim that Jews and Christians follow the right religion and that they will enter the kingdom of heaven? There is no proof for this.” ISIS-inspired massacres in the US, including those in Orlando and San Bernardino, were committed, according to Dabiq, by Muslim “knights.” calling those who carried out the killings “knights”. One ISIS fighter – a convert from Christianity – encourages others to “follow the example of the lions in France and Belgium, the example of the blessed couple in California, and the examples of the knights in Orlando and Nice.”

Thomas Williams has described Dabiq’s frontal assault on Pope Francis:

“This is a divinely-warranted war between the Muslim nation and the nations of disbelief,” the Dabiq authors state in an article titled “By the Sword.”

The Islamic State attacks Pope Francis by name for claiming that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence” –what he thought conciliatory, Dabiq finds offensive — for “Francis continues to hide behind a deceptive veil of ‘good will,’ covering his actual intentions of pacifying the Muslim nation.” I wonder if this reaction will confuse the Pope still further.

Pope Francis “has struggled against reality” in his efforts to portray Islam as a religion of peace, the article insists, before going on to urge all Muslims to take up the sword of jihad, the “greatest obligation” of a true Muslim.

Despite the obviously religious nature of their attacks, the article states, “many people in Crusader countries express shock and even disgust that Islamic State leadership ‘uses religion to justify violence.’”

“Indeed, waging jihad – spreading the rule of Allah by the sword – is an obligation found in the Quran, the word of our Lord,” it reads.

“The blood of the disbelievers is obligatory to spill by default. The command is clear. Kill the disbelievers, as Allah said, ‘Then kill the polytheists wherever you find them.’”

The Islamic State also reacted to Pope Francis’s description of recent acts of Islamic terror as “senseless violence,” insisting that there is nothing senseless about it.

“The gist of the matter is that there is indeed a rhyme to our terrorism, warfare, ruthlessness, and brutality,” they declare, adding that their hatred for the Christian West is absolute and implacable.

The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. Even if you were to pay jizyah [tax for infidels] and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation, we would continue to hate you.”

Has Pope Francis been shown any of this? What would it take for him to grasp its significance, and not try to find ways to dismiss it? Is he aware of how many Muslims, of every income and educational level, all over the world, have, despite great obstacles, managed to join ISIS, first in Iraq and Syria, then in Libya, and most recently, to become “knights” of ISIS in the West, committing their acts of mass murder and suicide in Europe so as to “strike terror in the hearts” of the Infidel enemy?

ISIS may be a “sick and twisted ideology” to non-Muslims trying to exculpate Islam itself, but it looks to many Muslims a lot like a particularly violent but doctrinally orthodox version of Sunni Islam, with the same Qur’an that all Muslims read, without any dilution of its message, or any nuance of niceness to please or fool non-Muslims. The Pope, instead of offering up his knee-jerk tu-quoque view that all religions are the same (Islam is peaceful, Islam has nothing to do with violence, the real Islam has nothing to do with terrorism) should set himself a course of study, beginning with the Western scholars of Islam of the non-apologetic school, such as C. Snouck Hurgronje, Henri Lammens, Samuel Zwemer, Joseph Schacht, and others who wrote during the century, roughly 1870 to 1970, before the Great Inhibition set in. That would enlighten him more than any meeting with Al-Tayeb. He owes it to his flock – he’s still their shepherd – not to lead them astray.

His recent comment that “if I speak of Islamic violence I have to speak of Catholic violence” inspired one exasperated Frenchman to create the hashtag @HaussmannParis #PasMonPape which translates as “#not my Pope.” It’s the top trending hashtag in France, and in Belgium too. The Pope better watch out. By their hashtags shall ye know them.

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  1. خَليفة says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 3:31 am

    Maybe he pope has a Jesus Complex and thinks that he needs to sacrifice himself to save his flock. News flash pope, Jesus already did did that for us, and your sacrifice,
    although may be well intentioned, does not have the power, nor ability to save any spiritual lives.

    • Angemon says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 5:32 am

      He’s not sacrificing himself, he’s sacrificing his flock. He pontificates about how islam is peace while living in a secure compound, away from “moderate” muslims like the ones commonly found, for example, in the Middle Ages, I mean, East or Pakistan, who routinely go after Christians for religious reasons.

      The Pope is trying to insulate islam from the people who act upon its teachings. No good can come of it.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 4, 2016 at 2:50 pm

        Exactly, Angemon.

    • Florian Euring says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 7:27 am

      I’m a devout Catholic, but this Pope made me first time consider leaving the catholic church. In Germany we have Cardinal Woelki, Archbishop of Cologne who is just as bad, if not worse. Fortunately there are still catholic clerics who are critical of Islam. So I stay inthe church. for two reasons:

      1. I still beleave in the teachings of the Catholic Churc.

      2. My leaving would waekwn those catholics spaeking out against Islam

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 4, 2016 at 3:03 pm

        Don’t leave, Florian. Foolish clerics are not the church itself. I agree with (2.)–speak out for your fellow Catholics!

        • Salome says

          Aug 5, 2016 at 4:14 am

          Don’t leave. Remember that the Church in Germany also includes Bishop Oster of Passau, who is no fool on this issue and only in his early fifties. He, not Woelki, is the future of German Catholicism.

      • Rufolino says

        Aug 5, 2016 at 4:06 am

        Please don’t leave the Catholic Church Florian, the Church NEEDS people like you. People like you are the “salt” which Jesus spoke of.

      • Gerard H. Briggs says

        Aug 10, 2016 at 10:03 am

        Mary said “don’t leave my Son’s Church” I would listen to Mary and not Journalists. The Pope is human, we have to pray for him. Mary also said” things will get a lot worse before She comes and crushes Satan’s Head. Stick to the Faith. When things get rough don’t flee your Church and your beliefs.

    • Adrian Johnson says

      Aug 5, 2016 at 4:11 pm

      The problem is that this Pope is a Jesuit, and the Jesuits have been corrupted by Marxist “Liberation Theology”. See the book, “The Jesuits” by ex- Jesuit Malachi Martin, who was once a Vatican insider as well as a respected scholar. Look for some of his old radio interviews by Art Bell on u-tube. The Jesuits tried to slander him; his death was suspicious. Fr Martin spoke of old prophecies that say that “the last Pope of this era” will be under the influence of satan.

  2. salim says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 3:41 am

    This Pope is part of the problem, I just wonder what sort of coincidence that brought him to the top of the Catholic church in this particular time. He just seems to blend well with all Dhimmi leaders around him: Hollande, Merkel, Obama…

    Off topic: Many injured and one died as a result of a stabbing attack in London. It looks to me as if the religion of peace has struck again but nothing in the British press that mentions Islam. Police is investigating “mental health issues” as a cause, is this the new name for Islam??

    • Phobic-ist says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 5:20 am

      Yes, the dhimmi cops are saying that terrorism ‘is one line of enquiry’! Priceless garbage! Anyone with a modicum of insight will know that the barbarian islamic ‘faith’ is behind this…will the p o s murderer be called Mohammed I wonder? Britain going further and further down the s**t pan…
      God, I loathe islam.

    • efoc says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 6:02 am

      Yeah, I noticed that story too. And indeed, “mental health” is the new name for Islam but it’s somewhat appropriate: those who believe in Islam and act it out, per Muhammed’s example, end up with mental health issues.

      • MTMLA says

        Aug 6, 2016 at 7:48 am

        How about bullying? It seems to be the latest reason for violent attacks, besides mental illness. But never islamic terrorism .

    • Elizabeth says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 9:42 am

      If it is it’s very accurate no? Islam is sick, sick, sick. It embraces pedophilia, incest, sado-masochism, etc etc. and promotes violence and hatred. So yes, mental health issues may not begin to cover it, but it’s a start.

  3. Vlad says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 4:07 am

    No, Pope Dhimmi the first has absolutely no Jesus complex, never had and never will.
    But he acts like the “Judas Goat”, that leads sheep to the slaughter house and then stands aside as the sheep happily move to slaughter. Google it!

    Unfortunately, the Unholy Catholic Church is in league with Satan himself, this is quite obvious.
    I urge all readers to send those clips to their respective Church, whatever it may be.
    So far of course, no reply, from those three Amigos, nor do I expect one.

    My email to the Archbishop of Melbourne, the Bishop of Ballarat and “Father” Hayes, Ararat is below:
    Gentlemen,
    I do expect that the Catholic Church Hierarchy will condemn Islam and
    all that it stands for, once you look at this footage.
    I expect that you will contact the “Fuehrer of the Catholic Church” and
    let him know that you condemn Islam and demand that he will do the same,
    openly.
    There can be NO dialogue with creatures of the devil or the devil himself.

    I also expect a reply to this effect.
    Regards
    Vlad

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 3:09 pm

      This kind of dhimmitude is quite rife among Christian clerics of many denominations–as well as among secularists. It is not unique to the Catholic Church.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Aug 5, 2016 at 3:00 am

      Worldly princes have always taken an active role in appointing bishops (watch “The Borgias”).

      In our age, the prince of America had his agents do three things:

      (1) Secure and collate FURTHER damaging information on church abuses that could be pinned on Benedict XVI, ultimately forcing him to resign.

      (2) Identify a suitably FLAWED successor pope from an appropriately “revolutionary” (Third Worldist) background. FLAWS are crucial for ongoing control. It is not entirely clear what the CIA has on Jose Bergoglio, but we can be certain that it is profound and scandalous – most likely direct involvement in pedophilia, or murder (common among leftist “revolutionaries” in Argentina in the 1970s and 1980s).

      (3) OPERATE Bergoglio as a puppet to maximize the penetration of Islam into the U.S. and other Western countries during B. Hussein Obama’s reign. Barry has committed serious PR and intelligence resources to this project.

    • mac holliday says

      Aug 5, 2016 at 8:11 am

      vlad?…the impailer?…or vlad the vampire…either way you reek of the sulphur fumes of the “pit”…
      in my opinion you have NO comprehension of what Christianity is all about……Christ Jesus was
      led as a “lamb” to the slaughter..he offered no resistance and willing gave himself for the sins of
      this evil world….Christianity as it is practiced today by many is NO diff than Islamic doctrine…the
      world spirit is evil itself and people of all ethnic backgrounds practice it willingly…is beheading some-
      one more evil than bombing someone….DO NOT misunderstand me….I HATE ISLAM and what it
      represents as much as a I hate pretenders in the Christian churches (leaders/pastors/priests/those
      in authority), who lie to the People and lead them astray and into evil in the name of Jesus…the wicked
      so called Christian pastor is no better than a imam who calls for jihad against non-muslims…..
      WAR?…Jesus said that there will always be war and rumors of war on this earth..WHY? Because
      the spirit of this world and fallen mankind is EVIL….would you go to war with someone whom you
      loved? Well, Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself….simple…..NO WAR……So the religion
      that both the muslim and the pseudo Christian practice is EVIL……I call on the world for P E A C E but
      no one will listen………let me ask you a ?…would Americas agenda under Obama/Bushe(s)/Nixon/
      Trump or perhaps Clinton be any different than what it has been for decades toward less developed
      countries…..conquer/control/divide/rule???????…sure our presidents are benevolent toward small
      and needy nations when it is to our benefit…it isn’t their money..it is OUR*s that they throw around in
      hopes of gaining a “popular” name….in your case however..”vlad”..only brings up evil thoughts…is that
      your purpose????

      • Vlad says

        Aug 6, 2016 at 10:53 pm

        I am NOT responsible for your opinion, your ignorarance nor your stupidity
        You have to learn to live with it.

  4. Vlad says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 4:11 am

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c1c_1395018660
    http://shoebat.com/2014/03/17/actual-literal-islamic-human-slaughterhouses-christians-discovered/

    Here are the links that are referred to in the above email.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 3:18 pm

      *My God*. I’ve seen pictures of the torture chamber, but not pictures of the actual severed body parts–including heads.

      Thank you for posting this evidence of this inhuman savagery, Vlad.

    • MTMLA says

      Aug 6, 2016 at 8:10 am

      I refer to Shoebat site quite often and have seen this link with videos. I have never seen the level of depravity shown on the videos and the descriptions of what goes on in these slaughter houses..Islam indeed removes any shred of humanity from the perpetrators of these carnages. You have to see to believe.Its beyond the descrption of words. No wonder islam and nazism got along so well and inspired one another.

  5. Richard says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 4:21 am

    Pope – “It’s not right to identify Islam with violence. It’s not right and it’s not true,”

    You are a coward.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 3:31 pm

      Another fine video from David Wood. The gist of it is that when Muslims are violent, it is on the basis of their creed, and in its name. Christians who are violent they are violating Christian teachings.

      And by their fruits you shall know them–violence from Muslims is *far* more common, and is mushrooming with the invasion of Muslims into Europe and the rest of the West.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Aug 5, 2016 at 3:02 am

      Who wouldn’t be a coward when the alternative is life in jail as it would likely be were Jorge Bergoglio’s dossier to be leaked.

      Perhaps Julian Assange can help us get rid of the Argie bouncer?

    • MTMLA says

      Aug 6, 2016 at 8:15 am

      Maybe he is illiterate and blind. He can’t read and he can’t see. I remember once this disgusting liar saying he does not watch the news or read the paper. He goes around with his head up his….

  6. Charli Main says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 4:38 am

    OFF TOPIC

    Terror attack in London.

    “Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said: “This was a tragic incident resulting in the death of one woman and five others being injured. Early indications suggest that mental health was a factor in this horrific attack; however,we are keeping an open mind regarding the motive.”

    Yes, yes its a mental health issue and its nothing to do with Islam. Keep an open mind on this attack folks. !!!!!!

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 5, 2016 at 10:30 pm

      Yes–it was more Jihad.

  7. Richard says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 4:39 am

    This is the mindset of the bastards the pope is importing into Europe and Obama into the US

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 3:56 pm

      *Chilling*, Richard. What is most notable is how casual they are about kidnapping, raping, and murdering their victims. Even the Jihadist talking about his brother being “martyred” was blasé about it. One of them casually said he would murder the interviewer if he could.

      Life really is cheap for pious Muslims. *Ugh*.

  8. sham says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 5:24 am

    I THINK ISIS BORROW THE LAW FROM THE BIBLE & TALMUD:

    Kings 2:23-24

    He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)

    Exodus 32:27-29

    Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ “The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”(NIV)
    2 Chronicles 25:12

    The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)
    Judges 12:5-6

    Then the Gileadites took the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites. Whenever one of the fugitives of Ephraim said, “Let me go over,” the men of Gilead would say to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” When he said, “No” they said to him, “Then say Shibboleth” and he said, “Sibboleth,” for he could not pronounce it right. Then they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand of the Ephraimites fell at that time. (NRSV)
    1 Kings 20:28-30

    Then a man of God came and spoke to the king of Israel, and said, “Thus says the LORD: ‘Because the Syrians have said, “The LORD is God of the hills, but He is not God of the valleys,” therefore I will deliver all this great multitude into your hand, and you shall know that I am the LORD.’” And they encamped opposite each other for seven days.

    So it was that on the seventh day the battle was joined; and the children of Israel killed one hundred thousand foot soldiers of the Syrians in one day. But the rest fled to Aphek, into the city; then a wall fell on twenty-seven thousand of the men who were left. (NKJV)

    Joshua 8:24-26

    When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day—12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. (NLT)

    Deuteronomy 2:32-34

    Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)

    Deuteronomy 3:3-6

    So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)

    1 Samuel 15:3,8

    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ” … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)

    Hosea 13:16

    Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)

    • maghan says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 6:05 am

      Bronze Age Jewish folklore–for Bronze Age Jews only. Christ came along and mounted a revolution of pacifism and spiritual humanism. Heal the sick, feed the poor. When smacked on one cheek turn the other. Be like the Good Samaritan. Let him cast the first stone who is without sin. Treat your neighbors as you treat yourself, etc. That’s why Hitler said that Christianity was too soft and flabby for his own liking. Hard and violent Islam is what he preferred.

      Christians are tasked to follow the teachings of Christ. There is no injunction in the Jewish folklore that is addressed DIRECTLY to living Jews.

      The opposite is the case for Islam. The Qur’an COMMANDS Muslims to behave according to its dikats and to hold up Muhammad as the ideal role model.

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 4, 2016 at 8:53 am

        Yes.
        Violence in the Bible is descriptive.
        Violence in the Quran is proscriptive.
        Muslims are specifically told to be at war with non-Muslims

        Robert Spencer addresses that here at about the 48 minute mark in the video.

        https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/video-robert-spencer-at-the-reagan-ranch-center-on-why-it-matters-to-call-it-islamic-terrorism

        • Vlad says

          Aug 6, 2016 at 10:57 pm

          Jay,

          Both eggs have been hatched in the same nest.

    • Demsci says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 6:18 am

      Sham, you quote very violent passages out of Old Testament and Talmud. But those are DESCRIPTIVE and no longer PRESCRIPTIVE. Jews are no longer religiously motivated to be violent. For Christians the much more peaceful and loving New Testament is now PRESCRIPTIVE.

      But it seems only through Islam at least tens of thousands of Muslims are motivated to be supremacist, violent and intolerant. They are motivated by Quran, Hadiths (Sahi esp) and Sira and Tafsir, like al Tabari, Ibn Qathir, Jalalayn.

      ISIS leader studied Islam for 8 years and graduated as one the most enthousiastic, knowledgeable students. Not one of the members of ISIS is NOT MUSLIM, there are zero Jews or Christians (or Atheists) among them.

      The ISIS-terrorists justify all their murders and oppressive measures by quoting Quran-Hadiths-Sira. Their battle-cry, endlessly repeated, is “Allahu Akbar”! And their black flag has Quran-texts on them.

      The ISIS-terrorists seem to hate Jews and Christians, and have murdered quite a few of them, some in plain public.

      If under these circumstances you still try to LINK ISIS to what Jews and Christians in the distant past preached en did

      and after all this carnage of ISIS you are still only into denial and deflection, what does that make you? What does it make you look like, even to your more intelligent and knowledgeable fellow-Muslims?!

      Dusty Smith calls people like you, believing and writing such absurd Islamic stories RETARDED. And you really prove him right about you with posts such as the above.

    • Charlie in NY says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 7:54 am

      Sham: you evidently have no idea what the Talmud is. You quote from the Torah (known to non-Jews as the Old Testament), Prophets and Chronicles. The Talmud is an accumulation of commentaries, rabbinical rulings and stories.
      In any case, as has to be constantly pointed out, and as it has already been done on this thread, Jewish interpretation of these passages is entirely historical. They do not contain any examples that Jews are required to emulate today. In fact, much later rabbinical interpretation is critical of most of these passages and consigns them entirely to the past. And you may wish to remember that all of the great figures of ancient Jewish history, whether it be Moses and Aaron or David and Solomon, are all depicted with their flaws – there is no concept of the perfect man whose conduct is worthy of emulation.
      So, all you have proven, with your mindless regurgitation of biblical passages whose import and intent you do not understand, is the fundamental distinction between Judaism and Islam.

      • Norger says

        Aug 4, 2016 at 8:19 am

        Excellent comment Charlie.

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 4, 2016 at 8:59 am

          Great comments.
          Unfortunately the one person who needs to read them the most (sham) is likely to be to far down in the muck of Islam to read them and benefit from them.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 3:59 pm

      The vicious sham is pretending that ISIS is acting on the basis of Jewish and Christian scripture, rather than the texts and tenets of orthodox Islam, and the model of the murderous “Prophet”.

      Jews and Christians are not murdering people in the streets, as are sham’s foul coreligionists.

      • Demsci says

        Aug 5, 2016 at 6:28 am

        Gravenimage, Jay Boo,

        Back in the day, when I frequented Ali Sina.org often a character like sham, shabeer, often intervened in the above manner on that website.

        But something interesting about that was said by Ali Sina, which I can not verify, namely:

        1. Muslims often do visit counterjihadist-sites, without us being aware.
        2. But Sham/ Shabeer knows that and is and he is not really addressing us so much, as that he is giving counterweight to our posts for the benefit of the Muslims who visit this site!

        Back at Ali Sina.org Shabeer most of the time “ran”, failed to respond to our responses, but every now and then he indeed did react and very specifically too, to what actually was argued by us.

        About Sham I don’t know.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 5, 2016 at 10:34 pm

          This is true–but I also think these trolls are trying to snow any unaware Infidels they run into here. That is why I think it is important–if tedious–to counter their meretricious claptrap.

  9. Jaladhi says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 6:32 am

    Catholics should impeach this Pope!! He is nt doing is duty and spreading Islamic lies of Muslims!

    • Diane Harvey says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 8:15 am

      Is there such a procedure in canon law for reining in an out-of-control pope?

      Another thought. Maybe he’s reflecting the thinking of the majority of the College of Cardinals. As others have noted, the RCC is not leading its people to salvation through Jesus, so perhaps this pope’s behavior is in line with the overall intent.

  10. dumbledoresarmy says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 6:49 am

    The Pope, alas, is not the only one well-groomed de facto Dhimmi frantically pumping out a sort of anaesthetising – or *meant* to be anaeasthetising – fog of platitudes and misdirections, evasions and confusions.

    they’re everywhere, religious and non-religious, Catholic and non-Catholic.

    Here are two utterly typical samples of what I mean, that were hastily published by Australia’s ABC, at its online outlet, in the wake of the ritual Muslim throat-slitting of Fr Jacques Hamel. In this case, one is a high-ranking Catholic clergyman in Australia; the other a Catholic layman who claims to be a ‘scholar’.

    And both are reciting all the predictable tropes of the Useful Idiots, as if by rote.

    Here’s Denis Hart, Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne.

    http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/08/02/4511857.htm
    Don’t Give In to Fear: The Killing of Father Jacques Hamel

    But Denis Hart, bad as he is, isn’t half as bad as one Austen Ivereigh.

    http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/07/28/4508816.htm
    Absurd Violence? Breaking the Cycle of Hate after the Murder of Father Jacques Hamel

    If you click on the link… provide yourself with a sick bucket, because you will need it.

    Probably your best bet it is to read Hugh Fitzgerald’s essay, above, *before* reading the anodyne – and deadly, because deadening – burblings of Hart and Ivereigh; and then, *after* having read those burblings, read Hugh’s piece *again*.

    And then share Hugh’s piece far and wide with, as companion pieces, the following items by Denis McEoin (who offers some useful stuff, though he pulls his punches a little toward the end) and Raymond Ibrahim (no punch-pulling from *him*.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8604/pope-holy-war-jihad

    The Pope and Holy War
    by Denis MacEoin
August 3, 2016 at 5:30 am

    http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2016/07/24/mere-islam-and-the-munich-massacre/

    ‘Mere Islam’ and the Munich Massacre
    July 24, 2016 by Raymond Ibrahim

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 4:01 pm

      Yes–there are all too many of these witless dhimmi tools.

  11. dumbledoresarmy says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 7:27 am

    Hugh’s article, at the end, includes one little glimmer of hope; a spark of resistance.

    “…His [the Pope’s] recent comment that “if I speak of Islamic violence I have to speak of Catholic violence” inspired one exasperated Frenchman to create the hashtag @HaussmannParis #PasMonPape which translates as “#not my Pope.” It’s the top trending hashtag in France, and in Belgium too….”.

    GOOD. That is *excellent* news.

    And if one reads the appalling article I mentioned in a previous comment above, an article by Austen Ivereigh, a Catholic ‘scholar’ and a grovelling Dhimmi, an article so full of all the now so familiar cliches that it begins to parody itself, one sees cause for hope in the responses that Ivereigh describes in passing, only in order that he may sneeringly or piously condemn them.

    I quote:

    “…But I was struck, in the hours after the sickening murder of Father Jacques Hamel, by the contrast between the reaction of so many of my co-religionists and that of Pope Francis.

    [Yes, my dear Useful Idiot; because they got it right, they are getting it right, and the Pope… got it wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. – DDA]

    “Their tweets were, unsurprisingly, those of outrage and exasperation.

    “They pointed to the supposedly (sic: nothing ‘supposedly’ about it, Mr Ivereigh; WAKE UP!! – would you have said ‘supposedly sacrificial’ of the Aztecs or the Thuggees when they ritually murdered people to their gods? – dda] sacrificial nature of Father Hamel’s death – the way his throat was slit by a man shouting “Allahu Akbar”; the grotesque pseudo-service conducted in Arabic around the altar [it was not a ‘pseudo-service’, Mr Ivereigh; these jihadis were wholly sincere and entirely orthodox; Mr Ivereigh, have you ever, ever, ever read any accounts of the Sack of Constantinople in 1453, or of the ways in which Muslims routinely treated priests during the genocide of the Armenian Christians in Turkey in 1915?? What was done to Fr Hamel was not novel and it was wholly Islamic – DDA] immediately there was talk of his martyrdom, of the blood of the martyrs being the seed of the Church.

    “Some tweets spoke of struggle and suffering; many others angrily spoke of betrayal, of the enemy within, of time to get tough, of immigration needing to be curbed – and many said “it’s time to stop pandering to Islam, and get real” (or tough, or wise).”

    EXCELLENT! I am glad to hear this, even if you, Mr Ivereigh, are offended and looking down your nose at these angry hoi polloi of the flock to which you claim to belong.

    It seems that although *you* and the Pope and the Catholci Archbishop of Melbourne are hastening to bow your neck to the foot of the Muslim overlord, many of your ordinary coreligionists are starting to jack up.

    Mr Ivereigh then mindlessly repeats the Pope’s pronouncement that the act was an ‘absurdity’, that the murder of Fr Hamel could not be assigned to any ‘religious or ideological motive’, and again expresses his disdain for the primitive responses of his fellow Catholics:

    “Struck by this [the Pope’s claim that the Muslim throat-slitting of Fr Hamel was merely ‘absurd’ – dda], I tweeted it out, drawing attention to the contrast between the odium fidei that everyone else seemed to be talking about and Francis’s focus on the absurdity of the act.

    ‘There was a big difference, I said.

    ‘The river of tweets turned into a fast-flowing current.

    ‘How dare I – and, some included, the Pope – downplay the heroic martyrdom of this great priest?

    ‘Why, of course he had died as result of specific hatred directed against Christianity!

    (Mr Ivereigh, of course, does not believe this; he refuses to believe it; he does not want to see it; he sticks his fingers in his ears and chants la-la-la-la-lah; all the while congratulating himself upon his superior holiness, his superior theological understanding – dda].

    ‘What greater symbolism could there be but that he was slain, like Thomas a Becket and Oscar Romero, at the altar?
    ‘I was called “disgusting,” a disgrace to my faith, and hounded with questions: what would it take for me to accept he was a martyr?

    ‘Surely this was an expression of Islam’s loathing of Christianity, the war “they” have declared on “us”?’

    Note Mr Ivereigh’s scare quotes. He does not believe there is such a thing as Jihad. In his mind there has never been a Jihad. There is no Jihad doctrine. It all vanishes in a sort of anaesthetic – brain-numbing, mind-numbing, paralysing fog.

    One wonders what Mr Ivereigh would do if someone sat him down and rubbed his nose in the very edition of Dabiq from which Mr Fitzgerald has just quoted at length, and said, “Read it, you fool.”

    It goes on, and on, and on, Mr Ivereigh’s soothing cloud of misdirections.

    “…I was drawing attention, I said, to the Pope’s focus on the act rather than the motives of the killers, which are at this stage – I was writing just hours after the event – frankly obscure.

    (!!!!!! – Is not the cry of allahu-akbar’ while a throat of a Christian priest is being slit, plain enough? Are not the clear statements of motivation and intent in Dabiq” plain enough? Is not Surah 9.5, Surah 47.4, Surah 9.29 plain enough for you, Mr Ivereigh? – dda]

    “But based on previous ISIS-inspired acts, not least in Nice, the attackers were likely to be vulnerable, depressive losers (oh, give it a break, Mr Ivereigh – dda) lured into violence by radicals on the internet; to call them religious, I warned, was to buy into the Da’esh narrative, that this was a war of Islam on the West and Christianity….”.

    And, back in the day, for Churchill to believe and take seriously and warn about Mein Kampf and Herr Hitler’s speeches was to buy into Hitler’s narrative….???

    And then Mr Ivereigh starts wagging his finger at us and telling us – looking down his nose with a holier-than-thou superior smirk – that if we dare to get angry about what Muslim jihadis are doing to helpless non-Muslim people all over the world, if we *dare* to start talking about any sort of action that might be construed as sensible civilisation self-defence – such as closing the borders, or interrogating Muslims – we are giving way to a ‘sacrificial impulse’.

    And so on, and unbearably on, and on it goes. Mr Ivereigh wants us to embrace the screaming knifemen and let them into the church and into our homes and into our countries. Because we must, seemingly, and if we won’t and don’t, then *we* are as bad as the screaming knifemen. Screaming Islamic knifemen bent on ritual slaughter have a sacred right to go anywhere they want and it is *wrong* to want to stop them.

    I quote, Mr Ivereigh again, quoting the ‘French Catholic bishops’ (Dhimmis to a man), and after Charlie Hebdo, and the Bataclan, and Nice, and Rouen (and, too, after the murdered bodies of French soldiers and of a Jewish rabbi and three little Jewish children in a schoolyard in Toulouse, and the murdered bodies of Sebastien Selam and Ilan Halimi, not so very long ago at all), it makes one want to get out a sick bucket:

    “They said we must respond by opening our doors, not closing them; of continuing to welcome refugees; of continuing to work with Muslims and to create new spaces of dialogue and understanding. ”

    BUT – what is of interest is that so many of Ivereigh’s ordinary fellow Catholics, the people in the pews, the people *in the firing line*, were *not* of a mind to abjectly surrender. They were not interested in denying the flaming, screamingly, bloodily obvious. They could see a church by daylight…they could see the Jihad shouting allahu-akbar in the middle of a defiled church beside a desecrated altar and the murdered body of a Christian priest. And they are becoming naturally and healthily and humanly *angry*. They are NOT – pace our stupid Mr Ivereigh – about to grab pitchforks and torches and burn down a mosque or lynch random Msulims in the streets. But they *are* seeing the jihad and calling it out for what it is and demanding that the state – which according to St Paul is given the ‘sword’ of temporal authority in order to restrain evil – should fulfil its vocation.

    • Gen Jones says

      Aug 6, 2016 at 9:21 pm

      Excellent analysis DDA! Thank you.

  12. Mubarak says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 8:08 am

    I once had a discussion about Islam with a nice and jovial, retired Muslim policeman, when I was on a vacation in North Africa. I told him that the Qur’an was a plagiary in my unscholarly opinion and also in many honest and erudite people’s opinion. His answer deserves a broader audience and it underscores Hugh Fitzgerald’s article. He said: “If you would say that to a real Muslim, he would cut your throat.” –
    The fate of America and Europe hangs on the assumption that the Muslims here are not real Muslims.

    • Kay says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 10:48 am

      Yes, and by my interactions, Muslims who came decades ago were escaping Islamic governments. I’ve heard some of their stories. I wish they’d speak up publicly against this new massive immigration.

  13. WorkingClassPost says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 8:19 am

    In this world of upside down and back to front reality, this article and the news from London are good examples of what’s happening.

    The pope consistently called islam RoP, and for a while people believed, but as those hashtags demonstrate, many now question and will not accept that absurdity.

    We’ve got the same situation in London, after so much terrorism was classed as mental illness, now, when it may actually be a nut-job on the rampage, nobody treats it as anything less than an act of terror, and the police, even after capturing the perp and declaring it likely not terror related, are rapidly deploying more patrols to ‘reassure’ the population.

    Mayor Kahn is also returning from holiday, yet he’d be the first to say that we shouldn’t always assume anything is anything to do with islam, so why rush home Mr Mayor, a quick and well rehearsed exercise in damage control?

    What on earth could a ’19 year old Norwegian of Somali’ origin have to do with terrorism?

  14. Denny Abrahamsson says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 9:03 am

    Pope gave a good example of submission to fascistic Islam.

    • mortimer says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 11:08 am

      Denny, I bet the pope doesn’t even know what a ‘dhimmi’ is. He’s totally out of it. He shields jihad from criticism.

  15. Charli Main says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 9:06 am

    ” Mayor” Kahn is rushing back from his holiday to personally lead a mass demonstration by millions of “British” Muslims who will all be chanting ” we love kaffirs” ” Islam is the religion of peace” ” Jahidists are not real Muslims” ” there are no violent passages in the Koran” blah—-blah—–blah.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 4:32 pm

      He also admonished Britons to “remain calm” and not get too upset over his coreligionists murdering us.

  16. Jay Boo says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 9:40 am

    Checkmate
    “No Yusuf, it must be some sort of elaborate trap by the Pope to confuse Muslims. No human being could possibly be that stupid and make so many mistakes.”

  17. randall says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 10:19 am

    Hugh treads lightly on this Pope, and undeservedly so. Francis’ constant excuses for the ideology of islam , which perfectly mirror those of most Western political leaders, will only lead to more dead infidels. I think the Pope, like obama, knows all to well what the doctrines of islam teach, but believes that to confront the threat would alienate so-called “moderate muslims” and make the problem worse. Of course, the problem here is how one defines a “moderate muslim”. The leftist view is that a muslim is a moderate muslim who is not currently engaging in outwardly violent behavior. This is an absurd world view. It is akin to saying that Hitler, Georbels. Himmler, and the rest were decent, moderate Nazis because they never killed anyone themselves.

    • MTMLA says

      Aug 6, 2016 at 9:08 am

      According to Wafa Sultan in her book A GOD WHO HATES, in Syria, where she was born and grew up, all the violent attacks Mohammed visited upon the Jews and Christians were told with pride and glee to the children. Hate taught for Jews and Christians on a daily basis is as common as drinking a glass of water.On the west if you talk about the violence in Islam, it’s hate speech, islamophobia, you’re a liar and in some countries you’re fined and even threatened with jail for offendind the peaceful islam and its followers.In Syria ( and I’m sure in all the islamic ruled countries) these passages of the life of the false pedophile, murderous , rapist prophet are a source of great pride and are read aloud to the kids in class.

  18. mortimer says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 11:02 am

    Is Francis a sheikh of Islam? Does he know more about Islam than Caliph al-Baghdadi (PhD in Islamic studies)?

    Does Francis have anyone advising him about Islam? Does Francis simply open his mouth and rattle off his wishful thinking?

    • randall says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 11:36 am

      Evidently, yes. Francis must have a PhD in Islamic theology we are not aware of. He’s much like Obama: He’s been given a high position (undeservedly so) , and believes this somehow has made him an oracle of wisdom . They need not bother with reading history, or even analyzing present-day realities. As Hugh likes to say: “That is all ye know on Earth, and all ye need to know.”

    • Jack Diamond says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 12:59 pm

      Years ago, bin Laden wrote “Moderate Islam is a Prostration to the West” accusing the West of trying to destroy Islam by separating it from Jihad and its Loyalty and Enmity doctrine. Like ISIS today, al Qaeda viewed those who whitewash Islam, as does the Pope, not as dunces but as part of a knowing conspiracy to kill Islam by apostatizing Muslims everywhere. Abu Musab al-Suri, the al Qaeda-ISIS theorist, traces this Crusader-Zionist plot back to, at least, Nixon and Kissinger and plans for American world domination and hegemony over the Middle East. And Islam, a reviving force that had to be “crushed”, as he “quotes” Nixon.

      Unfortunately, the dunces are actual dunces, getting us killed and invaded, not cleverly destroying Islam with sabotage. But conspiracy-thinkers can never buy into the simplest explanation. Nobody could be that stupid, they think. Thus, “Francis continues to hide behind a deceptive veil of ‘good will,’ covering his actual intentions of pacifying the Muslim nation.”

      • randall says

        Aug 4, 2016 at 2:30 pm

        Well, it is difficult to make the argument that so many Western leaders are NOT dunces, but I do think knowing deception is also at play here. The Pope may believe that by engaging in the charade he can get many muslims ,especially in the West, to play along with the ruse. Ditto for Obama. But if this is the strategy, it is obviously failing as it places many ignorant Westerners in harms way — quite unnecessarily. Just look at the two Jihad attacks in Tunisia last year. The first attack was at the Bardo museum killing 19 non-muslim tourists. Did the Brits. or any other Western government issue a travel ban to Tunisia? No! Only months later, a Jihad attack on a Tunisian beach frequented by mostly British tourists was attacked killing 30 Brits. Of course, we who still have our five senses intact would consider those British tourists foolhardy , if not suicidal, for vacationing in a land where islam dominates. But they were assisted in their woeful ignorance by their government who refused to take the needed steps to ensure their safety. In fact, there STILL is no travel ban to Tunisia today! The leftist- Western elites are more than willing to make burnt offerings of us all–not themselves ,of course– to the Gods of diversity and multiculturalism.
        It is up to us, the Citizenry, to inform ourselves and, most importantly, inform others of the nature and menace that islam poses. The elites are not going to do it for us. We have to do it ourselves for the foreseeable future.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Aug 4, 2016 at 4:03 pm

          “dunces” is short-hand for a lot of naive or selfish or ideological motives, often overlapping, that might explain this. No doubt there are rationalizations that could fall under “knowing deception” and willful blindness both. “Let’s all pretend” may fall under that, since it is ultimately foolish (self-deceptive as much as deceptive). ISIS apparently thinks it’s evil genius.

          But really knowing Islam and then masking it, or enabling the mass invasions of Muslims into the heart of the West, or doing everything to prevent non-Muslims from defending themselves and their civilization, that is treason. That is what I would call knowing deception. The rest is varying degrees of stupid or craven or greedy or suicidal.

        • MTMLA says

          Aug 7, 2016 at 6:36 am

          I’m sorry, but the individual needs to become informed on his/her own. He/she should not expect the politicians to do the thinking for him/her. They won’t .Individual responsibility and smarts should come into play, if there is any. You can’t cure stupid. People need to read the facts about islam, pay attention to the news and use smart judgement… Last week 2 vans with allegedly European tourists were attacked with missiles by the Talibans !!! Who, in the right mind would do tourism in Afghanistan??? You can’t even feel sorry for these people…I guess nobody died , but they all got wounded and at least one of the vans was completele burnt
          Still nowadays, inspite all the violence caused by the followers of the religion of peace, a lot of people don’t know much about their ideology or dont like to listen/ talk about it…and even defend the “moderates”.People continue going on vacation to dangerous muslim infested places.Now Europe is totally lost thanks to corrupt politician and people lazy enough to inform themselves and who received the barbarians with banners, flowers , teddy bears, hugs and kisses…
          In the mean

      • common sense says

        Aug 4, 2016 at 2:35 pm

        Yup full retard and no one even saw Hussein Obama coming.

  19. common sense says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    “especially the Catholic Christians, guilty of “shirk” (which deserves death in Muslim theology)”

    I’m sure all Catholics for the Pope down to choir boy have seen the ISIS rant/rebuke. That should really get your back up even if he says that the recent attacks are not ISIS related (yeah right)

    Its a guarantee that many Catholics don’t buy Pope BS regarding Islam and for myself I’ll take it as a compliment that I’m first in the cross hairs along with Jews. Last I checked we have a 200: 1 kill ratio when we square off with ISIS and every other Jihadist out there that are also being defeated by Yazzidi women.
    Catholic church is eventually dead by loss of the people unless he makes a stand against these vile miscreants.

  20. gravenimage says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    Hugh Fitzgerald: Pope Francis To ISIS: Tell Us What You Really Think
    ……………………

    ISIS has, of course, been all to happy to tell this pontiff what it and all other pious Muslims believe–he just hasn’t wanted to hear it…

  21. CeltictotheBone says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    Excellent work Mr. Fitzgerald. Gura maith agait. Imagine an Irish Catholic considering a switcheroo because of this icon to mendacity? C.

    • common sense says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      Celtictothebone- smaller words please regarding the mandacity part. Huh? Please enlighten.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 4, 2016 at 4:45 pm

        Not sure what you are asking, common sense. Is it the definition of mendacity? That would be “untruthfullness”.

        The pope *Is* being untruthful here, through either ignorance or deliberate deceit.

        “Gura maith agait” translates roughly to “kudos”.

        • common sense says

          Aug 4, 2016 at 9:39 pm

          Ok thanks GI I was thrown by the ‘swittcheroo’. I’m Irish Catholic so the post caught my attention.
          Cheers!

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 5, 2016 at 10:36 pm

          🙂

    • Hugh Fitzgerald says

      Aug 4, 2016 at 7:40 pm

      Alternative from the Old Sod: Go raibh maith agat

      • common sense says

        Aug 4, 2016 at 9:42 pm

        LOL! I love to learn something new everyday and there is wealth here to be had.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 5, 2016 at 10:38 pm

        Lovely, Hugh. I would say to you, meas agam tú le mo chroí go. (Hope I got this right…)

  22. ProudAmerican says

    Aug 4, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    I don’t think the pope is that clueless. He just thinks he’s going to invite terrorism into the vatican if he speaks out about pisslam. So that’s why he keeps up this front of seeming obliviousness to the threat.

  23. Screeminmeeme says

    Aug 5, 2016 at 7:47 am

    When speaking about ‘Catholic violence’, the Pope had in mind all of those bitter Catholic school nuns who beat the hell out of kids with their rulers.

  24. COPT says

    Aug 5, 2016 at 8:00 am

    As with so many things that Francis has said, he doesn’t provide enough clarity to the context of his remarks and leaves much up to interpretation – a very bad thing for a leader to do. I will say that based on his history in Latin American and now in Italy, he is probably referring to the gang violence and mafia violence that is pervasive in the cultures of his home continent and now in Italy. From his very first days in Rome, he has condemned the mafiosi as being apostate and even encouraging priests to not officiate elaborate ceremonies for them when they die. In Latin America, Catholicism is worn as a talisman by all kinds of violent thugs who treat it as if it will save them when they need it, regardless of what they are doing. He may be trying to draw a parallel between the gang/mafia thugs and the members of ISIS/Boko Haram/Al Qaeda (the militant ‘gangs’ of Islam) and saying that they are in relation to the whole of Islam as the gang/mafia thugs are to Catholicism and Christianity. He may have a valid point, but the difference to me is that our Good Book does not instruct believers to carry out that violence in God’s name. Not so for the Muslim playbook. In the end analysis, I believe this Pope will receive middling scores as Pope because he fell short on providing discriminating leadership to the flock on a number of issues.

  25. Nelson says

    Aug 5, 2016 at 9:03 am

    I would say that “peace” would be a bonifide criteria for judging any religion, hence, Islam, by its very words, actions and deeds, cannot be regarded as one.

    #not my Pope would probably feel right at home in the Democrat Party in the USA.

  26. Carolyne says

    Aug 5, 2016 at 9:48 am

    If the Pope feels that it is wrong to accumulate any wealth at all, perhaps he could demonstrate his sincerity by selling the treasures he guards in the Vatican and giving the money to the muslims.

    He is Barney Fyfe in a dress, but Barney was a likeable idiot.

  27. Carolyne says

    Aug 5, 2016 at 9:49 am

    And the picture above is almost obscene. What a fool.

    • MTMLA says

      Aug 7, 2016 at 6:48 am

      I can’t stand even to look at the man….

      • concerned canadian says

        Aug 17, 2016 at 7:42 am

        i cant stand him either

  28. Lioness says

    Aug 5, 2016 at 11:29 am

    This Pope is the most stupid pope that Catholicism ever had. He would do well to simply convert to islam and be a PR officer for CAIR or the Muslim Brotherhood.

  29. More Ham Ed says

    Aug 5, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    All “Pope” threads seem to get alot of comments. ISIS should not even be allowed to exist and this leftist Pope (not all are leftists) wants to have a dialog, he wants to promote disorder.

  30. cocnerned canadian says

    Aug 17, 2016 at 7:41 am

    I think he knows that once he condemns Islam , Islam can toss a huge list at him.
    Catholic priests have destroyed the non bible reading “church” .
    Pedophiles have been rampant and their behaviour covered up.

    I know its like the pot calling the kettle black but our media would destroy him

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