What a shame that these two, who should be such good friends, have fallen out. The Pope should travel to Raqqa now, open up the Qur’an, and explain to the caliph and other Islamic State leaders how they are misunderstanding the peaceful religion of Islam. Then they can begin a harmonious “dialogue,” and peace will dawn!
Note that the Pope didn’t have to draw Muhammad or violate some other Sharia blasphemy law in order to incur the wrath of the Islamic State. He gained that wrath, in fact, despite purveying soothing nonsense about Islam being a religion of peace and pushing European countries to take large numbers of Muslim migrants, with no regard for the possibility that there would be jihad terrorists among them. None of these demonstrations of willingness to be a Useful Idiot for their cause mollified the jihadis and made them stop wanting him dead. How very odd. One would almost think that mainstream analyses of how to deal with the jihad threat were all wrong.
“ISIS names Pope ‘enemy number one’ for being a ‘NON-BELIEVER,’” by Rebecca Flood, Express, August 31, 2016:
THE Pope has been named by Islamic State (ISIS) as “enemy number one” in the latest issue of its propaganda rag.
ISIS, otherwise known as Daesh, has named the leader of the Catholic Church as the ultimate foe of the bloodthirsty regime.
Pope Francis, real name Jorge Mario Bergoglio, was branded a “non-believer” by the twisted group in their monthly publication.
The 79-year-old is also accused of “defending” homosexuals, adding it is “immoral” in their article, entitled ‘in the words of the enemy’.
The barbaric troupe continued their ideological rant, criticising Pope Francis for “seeking dialogue with moderate Islam”, including Ahmed al Tayeb, an Arab preacher of the prestigious Islamic university Al Azhar in Cairo, Egypt.
The imam was labelled an “apostate” – someone who renounces religion – by ISIS, who criticised his comments on Christianity calling it “a faith of love and peace”.
ISIS has previously released a video showing the end of the world and suggests they are planning an assassination of the pope.
A clip shows tanks advancing on a post-apocalyptic Rome, with a voiceover claiming Isis will take over the city, take women as slaves and destroy all crucifixes.
The Argentinian national has previously refused warnings to wear a bullet proof vest amid threats from Daesh.
He shunned the protective clothing for his Christmas message as Italian police urged the clergyman to consider his security measures following the numerous threats from the fighters.
At the time, a Vatican spokesman previously said the Pope “is not afraid”.
They added he “knows everything [about the threat from ISIS] but he doesn’t want to lose the contact with the people”.
Security was beefed up around the Vatican in a bid to ensure the pontiff’s safety.
In another article entitled “Why we hate you and why we are fighting”, the group continues to slate Christianity.
It says: “We hate you, first and foremost, because you don’t believe in Allah.
“We hate you because your secular and liberal societies allow the things that Allah has forbidden.”
The pamphlet continues to vilify the religion, and encourages attacks on moderate Sufis as they “initiate Christians”.
It adds: “Break the cross, as the Prophet Muhammad said.”…

Rev g says
But what about Barry O.? Born of a muslim dad, became Christian (so he claims), drinks and eats pork, and leads a huge secular nation. Shouldn’t he be #1?
Dan says
Don’t you remember some of the rules of the Khoran?
If it’s to promote of Islam, blending in with the infidels to gain their trust so you can stab them in the back, you can practice any behavior you want and all will be forgive.
This is why we haven’t got a clue, which Muslim can or can’t be trusted.
All other religions (the decent ones at least) say you’re NOT supposed to do that.
Lord Wrath says
Taqiyya!!!
Carmel says
As long as he promote Islam , he can do whatever he wants: drink , same sex activities, shave beard …Progression of Islam comes first, not muslims .
Mirren10 says
”Security was beefed up around the Vatican in a bid to ensure the pontiff’s safety. ”
I’ll bet.
But as for the safety of his ‘flock’ ? Screw that. There is nothing in the koran that is in favour of violence, islam is a religion of peace, and I’m going to wash muslims feet, (screw the Christians) and invite muslims to the safety of the Vatican (screw the Christians). I’m going to ‘dialogue’ with every scumbag mohammedan out there, and never *once* do anything concrete to protect Christians.
Because, really, could this piece of traitorous scum be called a Christian ? I think not.
Plenty more loathsome acts of this vile ‘pontiff’, but why catalogue them all ? They’re all in the archives.
I sincerely hope the old hypocritical, heretical, blasphemous, revolting pos *goat* gets exactly what he deserves.
Catholic says
Please don’t disrespect the Pope, he had been attempting a peaceful resolution, I don’t think it will work, but name calling is not helping anything. God bless.
Christianblood says
This Pope is not trustworthy when it comes to the threat of the global political islam and the persecution of Christians.
linnte says
Catholics who don’t understand how this Pope is supporting the Islamisation of his own people need to start understanding this YESTERDAY. Mr. Spencer himself was (basically) told by a priest, that if he goes against the Pope’s declaration that Islam is a religion of peace, he is not a Catholic. Your Pope is a Globalist who would see all the world as a single governed unit.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Linnte: Good as always, to see you here.
Do you have a source for that ‘Spencer himself was (basically) told by a priest, that if he goes against the Pope’s declaration…he is not a Catholic’? I ask because Robert is a Catholic, as am I. And I follow JW religiously (no pun intended!), and I’ve not seen that statement.
If Robert made that statement he is [factually] wrong. Because agreeing or disagreeing with the Pope on matters of politics or anything else, has no impact on one being Catholic.
The Pope is infallible only on dogmatic pronouncements. Those are few and far between. ‘For example: ‘to be a Catholic’, one MUST accept-not ‘agree’, a different standard-that the Blessed Virgin Mary was a virgin before, during and after the birth of Our Blessed Lord.
However I agree with all else in your post, i.e., the Pope IS ‘supporting islamization’, and that he is a ‘globalist’. And you’re right again in stating, ‘Catholics who don’t understand this…need to start understanding, YESTERDAY’.
Always glad to read your posts Linnte, my dear friend in Christ.
linnte says
That statement is made by the priest who Robert had a recent debate with on a Catholic radio show. Monsignor somebody and he said it at the end of the recording. His words were veiled, which is why I said “basically”. Meaning not blatant. This Monsignor also told a caller in to the show, a Catholic, blatantly, that he was not a Catholic if he disagreed with the Authority and words of the Pope.
It made me very sad, because I still have not found a church here in my little town, and I felt that maybe the Catholic Church might be the one. The church’s here are either way too Liberal or way too loud, if you know what I mean. Anyway, that’s what I heard this Monsignor say.
Good to hear from you! ?
linnte says
And I enjoyed that pun! Also I absolutely believe Mary was a virgin and Holy Spirit created her pregnancy! It is what makes Jesus our perfect sacrifice. Without the Virgin Birth, Jesus would be “just another sheep/man” not perfect. You know, Muslims don’t know why they are missing in being a new creature in God. That’s the saddest thing! I fall flat on my face occasionally, but by golly, I get right back up! Thanks Kathy.
JAR says
I’m thinking that linnte is referring to this recent exchange, which Kathy Brown was seeking to review for herself. Try any one of these three links, all of which generated a lot of traffic:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/audio-robert-spencer-and-msgr-stuart-swetland-debate-is-islam-violent
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/is-there-room-in-the-catholic-church-for-those-who-dont-believe-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/must-catholics-believe-that-islam-is-peaceful
gravenimage says
Kathy and Linnte, here is that disgusting story, from a couple of weeks ago:
“Is there room in the Catholic Church for those who don’t believe Islam is a religion of peace?”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/is-there-room-in-the-catholic-church-for-those-who-dont-believe-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace
Kathy, I am glad you and Robert Spencer and other good Catholics are standing up.
Cecilia Ellis says
@Kathy Brown, Esq.: “Do you have a source for that ‘Spencer himself was (basically) told by a priest, that if he goes against the Pope’s declaration…he is not a Catholic’?”
Kathy, there are two Jihad Watch articles that are germane to your question. The first provides an audio of a radio-program discussion between Robert Spencer and Msgr. Stuart Swetland on whether or not Islam is non-violent. In this same article, Robert stated:
“Notice how, right at the end of the show when I had no opportunity to reply, Msgr. Swetland essentially reads me out of the Catholic Church for not believing that Islam is a religion of peace, and claims, falsely, that this was not only the view of Pope Francis, but of Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. He claims that these popes’ statements on Islam being peaceful are authoritative and guided by the Holy Spirit.
In reality, while the Catholic Church claims to be guided by the Holy Spirit in defining what is and isn’t the Christian Faith, it does not claim some special power or authority to define the nature or teaching of other religions as well. Thus I doubt that Msgr. Swetland is correct in suggesting that papal statements on Islam being peaceful are authoritative for Catholics; what is interesting, however, is that he was suggesting that there is no place in the Church for people with a realistic view of Islam.”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/audio-robert-spencer-and-msgr-stuart-swetland-debate-is-islam-violent
Robert in no way accepted the Monsignor’s response as authentic Catholic teaching. Indeed Robert’s superb scholarship demonstrated otherwise.
The second article follows up on the first.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/is-there-room-in-the-catholic-church-for-those-who-dont-believe-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace
Fear not, Kathy . . . Robert understands the requirements, as established in Canon Law, for “ex cathedra” pronouncements. ?
Hope this answered your question. And, it was great seeing your comment!
le mouron rouge says
Kathy Brown, Esq,
As a former Roman Catholic, now non-denominational, I take issue with the general term “Catholic” as there is a difference between Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Catholic.
Eastern Orthodox, to its credit, does not recognize the Papacy.
It’s my understanding that Mr. Spencer is a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church and thus is not subject to the whims of the Papacy.
In addition, I take issue with the false teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that the Pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals.
Which Pope was infallible, the one who allowed Joan of Arc to be condemned as a heretic and burned at the stake or the Pope who had her canonized as a Saint?
As to the Roman Catholic Church’s (RCC) false teaching on Mary, that she is a perpetual virgin, well that is just another example of how fallible the Papacy really is.
The Bible, in the book of Isaiah states, “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” Isaiah 7:14 (ESV)
There is nothing in the Bible to substantiate that Mary was a perpetual virgin, however, there are verses that clearly show that Yeshua HaMashiach had half brothers and sisters, i.e. “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.” Mark 6:3 (KJV)
Alexander Hislop in his book, The Two Babylons, has done an excellent job of tracing the origin of the “woman and child” mythology and thus discrediting the teaching of the RCC on Mary.
The RCC has elevated Mary to “The Queen of Heaven.” The only place in the Bible where one can find “The Queen of Heaven,” is a pagan goddess found in the book of Jeremiah, Chapter/Verse 7:18, 44:17-19, 25.
In addition, James G. McCarthy in his book, “The Gospel According to Rome,” has done an outstanding job of disputing the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church along with Mike Gendron and his book, “Preparing for Eternity,” both compare the teaching of the RCC to that of the Bible, which is and should be the final authority on matters of Faith and Morals.
This, along with Giuseppe Garibaldi and his book, The Rule of the Monk, which can be found online. He has done a masterful job of documenting the rampant immorality that permeated the Vatican and the Roman Catholic clergy in his day and continues as of this writing.
And finally, the book, “Windswept House: A Vatican Novel by the late Malichi Martin, a former Jesuit who died under mysterious circumstances. Malichi Martin was dedicated to the Roman Catholic Church and was very concerned by the immorality within the RCC. It’s possible that his book, Windswept House, led to his demise as the saying goes, “Truth is stranger than fiction.”
gravenimage says
Catholic wrote:
Please don’t disrespect the Pope, he had been attempting a peaceful resolution, I don’t think it will work, but name calling is not helping anything. God bless.
………………………
Appeasement of evil does not, I’m afraid, lead to a peaceful resolution.
What Islam seeks is full submission from Infidels, and there is no way to oppose that by appeasing it, as Pope Francis has attempted to do.
Criticizing the foolish actions of a pontiff is not the same as being anti-Catholic. Indeed, the owner of this site is a devout Catholic who is nonetheless critical of this pope’s cluelessness.
Norger says
Nope. This Pope deserves nothing but disrespect on this issue. As Ayan Hirsi Ali said, “tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.”
The Pope is supposed to be a moral leader. He should be speaking out against evil committed in the name of religion, not denying it, not making excuses for it.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
I am with our Pope and the one Church that Jesus started.
Muslims are divided. What atheist, secularist,want: is for Catholics to start a conflict that will unite the divided and create a world war. We know Muslims better than any of them.
Lets leave it to the pseudo humanist, atheist, secularist in government to sort out their own mess. What a bunch off hypocrites.
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Lord Wrath says
I am an Atheist and the only war I want is one of extinction between the different factions of Islam… And you as a Catholic should study church history and you will find that Roman Catholicism is a corruption of the church that the followers of Jesus started.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
On the contrary, do a study on the subject yourself and you will find it credible illuminating, what a great God we have.
Infidel lives matter says
Pope Francis couldn’t even show the slain french priest the bare minimum amount of respect and tell the truth about why he was killed. Instead he lied to defend islam. This Pope who constantly shills for islam and works for the islamisation of Europe doesn’t deserve any respect as far as I’m conserned.
Christianblood says
Infidel lives matter
(..Pope Francis couldn’t even show the slain french priest the bare minimum amount of respect and tell the truth about why he was killed. Instead he lied to defend islam. This Pope who constantly shills for islam and works for the islamisation of Europe doesn’t deserve any respect as far as I’m conserned..)
Very well-said indeed!
heidi says
respect must be earned,& this dope has done nothing to earn my respect as he continues to disregard the human rights violations of this horrible death cult that is devouring Europe and now he encourages their expansion into the U.S.(his USCCB is highly rewarded by tax payer dollars for this of course) He is complicit in it’s crimes as he encourages more islamic invasion even as his own priests, nuns, Christians and Jews are being slaughtered. he should be out in disgrace. if one reads “The Pope and Mussolini: The Secret History of Pius XI and the Rise of Fascism in Europe”, you get a feel for the sentiments of the church
Rob Porter says
Catholic, how does one not disrespect such a feckless, featherbrained Pope who is so appallingly ignorant of Islam, the Qur’an and its teachings, through that ignorance and pretence of knowledge of Islam is leading parishioners astray and endangering their lives. This Pope, like any Pope, has enormous influence and is abusing that influence, power and the trust of millions to misguide millions. Hundreds of thousands of Christians have suffered the most savage deaths at the hands of the Muslims of ISIS, al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, etc, yet this Pope Francis – like a traitor to his faith – denies that this Islamic savagery has anything to do with “authentic Islam”.
This is such disgusting rubbish for the lie it promotes, that Pope Francis deserves to be exposed for the fraud he is. Proper, believing Christians feel righteous anger and outrage toward Islam and Muslims for the savage acts of their fellow believers against Christian believers, Yazidis, other non-Muslims, etc. and they want such an ideology and its followers destroyed just as their forefathers wanted to see evil Nazism and Marxist Communism destroyed. Instead Pope Francis, like that other first rate fraud, Barack Obama, strenuously endeavours to have millions of gullible non-Muslims swallow that the savages of Islam “pervert” the peaceful teachings of Islam. Anyone who still believes such utter trash has serious mental and intellectual issues.
Robert Spencer has in this story done a fine job of mockingly putting in perspective the foolishness of Pope Francis.
Westman says
And the peaceful dialogue was going so well… whoda thunk it?
harbidoll says
Hes “leading from behind.” Like most politicians.As long as the “state” is appeasing they dont attack the state. Just the people.
Carolyne says
I really think this Pope is simply very stupid. He even looks stupid–He’s a mouth breather. The picture of him kissing Muslims’ feet makes me think he has some kind of foot fetish. But then, in my opinion, a life of celibacy is not a normal life and IMO one must be somewhat sexually abnormal to even consider such a life. Also, it is a well known fact that some priests talk the talk but do not walk the walk, some with children. Even Popes. And the fact that such behavior is covered up tells me that it is not outside the norm for Catholic priests.
But this Pope seems ‘way outside the run of the mill Popes.
Rev g says
It seems to me that you are overly preoccupied with sexual perversion, to the point of projecting it on others.
Also, inaccurate insinuations and easily debunked half truths aplenty spew from your keyboard. But of course, you would never disparage any other religion but islam! Questiin, how is the idea of a church leader as a bridge keeper pagan? Oh, it isn’t, it is figurative!
Do keep writing, you are showing us a great deal about how little you actually know, and how shallow you think.
By the way, not a Catholic here though I think Robert is an Eastern Rite Catholic ( not part of the Orthodox churches) and does fall under papal purview. I am no fan of this pope, and Robert criticizes those deserving it.
Oliver says
Rev G- what half truths?
first- Carolyne says IMO (in my opinion) about one item. AND THAT SOME PRIESTS TALK THE TALK—. Are you aware that in THE US., IRELAND, THE PHILIPPINES AND OTHER COUNTRIES, CATHOLIC PRIESTS MOLESTED AND RAPED YOUNG CHILDREN (MOSTLY BOYS- at least here in the Us, in ireland I think they did a number of girls also- like one orphanage where the rape of children – as reported- a few years ago- went on for something like 50 years).
My views.
Rev g says
Now it is Oliver’s turn to speak half truths. Carolyne said much more than you claim.
Oliver says
Mirren, you forgot (just adding to your list-I agree with you)- that he also did NOTHING in his native country to stop pedophile priests–just, like many dioceses in the US- transferred them around- to rape and abuse more children, in other parts of his country.
Oliver says
Mirren- this should have been posted much higher up. When you listed a few of the pope’s shortcomings.
Alien Republican says
It might be beneficial if the current Pope became a martyr. Good riddance followed by a healty reality check.
Allan says
It seems very clear that the IS is preparing for a great wave of killings of priests. It’s likely they know how important the priest is to the Eucharist, and how important the Eucharist is to the RCC. So the caliph and his followers will strike ferociously. If successful, they will enjoy a great increase of prestige, and then they will seek to exploit that prestige to then fullest.
“Look at what we we have done by the will of Allah,” they will say to timorous Muslims who have hesitated to swear loyalty to the caliph. “Others have only boasted of breaking the cross, but we, by Allah, have cracked it severely in many places. The breaking of the cross is near at hand.”
Salome says
He doesn’t deserve martyrdom with his record of equivocation and downright dhimmitude.
Mirren10 says
That photograph always makes me grue, as well as laugh hysterically.
Carolyne says
I find it offensive being referred to as a “Sheep,” with this old silly man in a dress as shepherd.I am not Catholic and never have been, I still find it abusive. We are each more effectively able to follow our own moral path with no need of a shepherd in a dress.
By the way, the word “Pontiff” derives from the title given to bridge keepers in ancient Rome, and the miter which the Popes wear on their heads are copied from the head wear of the bridge keepers. No particular reaon for bringing this up except to demonstrate some pagan customs appropriated from pagans.
Until quite recently, women were required to cover their heads in Catholic Churches. I don’t know why that would not apply to men. Were women inferior in the Catholic Church and did they cover their heads for the same reason Muslim women are required to do: to prevent men from going into a sexual frenzy right there in church?
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Carolyne I certainly do not wish to school you: this is not the place for you to spread your stupidity.
Do not try to impose your interpretation of the title Pope on Catholics.
(Ecclesiastical Latin papa from Greek papas, a variant of pappas father, in classical Latin pappas –
August West says
Islam = Peace
If the Pope says it you simply can’t argue.
If you dont agree with him, well you are not Catholic.
He is divinely inspired don’t you know.
john spielman says
so all the A** KISSING to islamaniacs won’t save his life! How appropriate, just like West’s appeasement to Hitler in 1939 didn’t keep him from slaughtering millions, so the western progressive elites have allowed the barbarian hordes of islamofascist muhammedans into our countries only to threaten to enslave and or kill us
harbidoll says
But the Vatican survived. & thats what really counts, right. (or did it?)
Carolyne says
No. It doesn’t.
One wonders what part of Muslims’ anatomy the Pope kisses when not in public.
Mark A says
So much for the “inter-faith dialogue” with Islam that Pope Francis has repeatedly promoted.
gravenimage says
More proof that all the appeasement and dhimmitude in the world does not ultimately help.
nicu says
and he wash feet of Muslims !
Kay says
My hope is that the Pope is awakening from naïveté.
Pope Francis:
“The healing accomplished today by Jesus [of the woman with the hemorrhage Mt 9:20-22] assures us that when human hope disappears and everything seems impossible, the sun of Divine hope rises again for those who, despite the darkness of the trial, keep the flame of their faith!” – Pope Francis said – “The Lord bless you all and protect you from the evil one!”
(from Vatican Radio)
biff says
The Pope is a idiot. He will simply double down on loving Muslims that want him dead.
I guess this Pope see’s getting killed by Muslims as a good way to get Sainthood after his death.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
One thing about ISS is that they tell the truth, as Catholics we know that they hate us.
We are not afraid you probably are, we leave it up to you to find the solution and I take it that you are a genius,as you stand aloof to idiots.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Always find it so strange that Atheist by their own definition do not believe in God
(it is a given fact) yet find the need to defend a position which no one is attacking) as can be seen from their post are disrespectful of Christians, use general terms to write off people as idiots, are quite violent in their thinking.
Atheist have killed more priest and nuns destroyed catholic schools, Churches than any Muslim. Let us be objective not all muslims are violent the same goes for atheist.
The secularist mentality needs to shift in recognizing the dignity of all humans including the unborn and treating all people with respect.
Truly, I have more respect for ISS on this one point they are truthful when they give the reason why they hate the Pope.The violent atheist are not yet they would want ISS to commit the deed while still maintaining that ISS is violent. To me its the same spirit that motivates them both.
Carolyne says
Someone should tell him that when you are dead, you are dead. You might be made a Saint, but since you no longer exist in any plane, location or dimension, you won’t know anything about it. Also, why would anyone think a loving God would wait to be begged by a dead man or woman to do something for a living human. It really makes no sense. Wouldn’t an all-powerful God do that without being asked by a dead man?
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
And of course Carolyn, you being the virtue of infallible wisdom know this.
Mark Swan says
She Is Right, when She says, when you are dead, you are dead.
Rev g says
And you have what proof of this?
Mark Swan says
Hi, Rev g, good to here from you—well since it is you I will try proving it, and try to keep it as brief as I can. There is more from the Bible on this.
Here is what the Apostle Paul wrote: “But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep” (1 Thessalonians 4:13–15).
Notice that Paul calls death a “sleep.” He does not describe dead Christians as active or alive in heaven. Rather, they are “asleep,” or dead, until Christ’s Second Coming. “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words” (vv. 16–18).
Once, when the Sanhedrin was interrogating Paul, he made the resurrection the major issue in his response: “But when Paul perceived that one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, ‘Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee; concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead I am being judged!'” (Acts 23:6).
Paul looked forward to the resurrection from the dead, at Christ’s return. He longed “that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead” (Philippians 3:10–11).
In Hebrews 11, often called the “faith chapter,” we read of many heroes and heroines of the faith. Did they go to heaven at death? What does Scripture say? “These all died in faith, not having received the promises [of eternal life, and of inheriting the earth], but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth” (Hebrews 11:13). Later, we read: “And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us” (vv. 39–40).
Faithful Christians who have died are waiting in the grave for the return of Christ! “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment” (John 5:28–29, RSV).
This “resurrection of judgment” takes place after the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ and the saints (Revelation 20:5–6). Then comes the White Throne Judgment—the time after the Millennium when spiritually blinded human beings, who have not previously come to the Truth, will be resurrected and given their first genuine opportunity to truly accept Jesus’ sacrifice. Those who reject it will be cast into the lake of fire, to die forever.
We would remain dead, if God did not resurrect us. As human beings, we do not already have immortality! Immortality is a gift from God! “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23, KJV). If we already had immortality, we would not need it as a gift of God. We receive the gift of immortality when we undergo a dramatic transformation at the resurrection.
Paul writes: “Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up in victory'” (1 Corinthians 15:51–54).
Yes, unless we have “put on” immortality through God’s gift at the resurrection, a soul can die! The prophet Ezekiel made this plain when he wrote: “The soul who sins shall die!” (Ezekiel 18:4, 20). The Hebrew word for “soul” is nephesh, which refers to physical life; it is the same word used to describe animal life in Genesis 1:21.
“But that’s in the Old Testament,” you may be thinking. “What does the New Testament say about the soul?” Jesus’ teaching was the same. “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul [Greek psuche, “life”] and body in hell [gehenna fire]” (Matthew 10:28). Do you believe your Bible? Do you believe what Jesus said? God is able to destroy both soul and body in “hell”—gehenna fire.
The Bible plainly teaches that souls are mortal—not immortal. But God has a wonderful plan of salvation for all humanity—including you! He wants you to be a part of His family for all eternity. God is love, and He has given you the gift of His Son, Jesus Christ, to pay for your sins. Sin brings the death penalty upon all of us. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
Our sin has earned us the death penalty, but God sent His Son to pay that penalty, so we can be reconciled to God and redeemed by God. Through His gift, we can walk in a new way of life, and have a new relationship with our Creator! Each of us was created in God’s likeness to have an eternal and loving relationship with Him. But it is God who first demonstrated His love to us! Perhaps you are familiar with the precious “golden verse” of the Bible: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).
God has created us in His own image—in His likeness. He wants to have a relationship with us, but we have separated ourselves from Him. “Your iniquities have separated you from your God” (Isaiah 59:2). Christians, however, have been reconciled to God through the death of His Son, through Christ’s shed blood. As Christians, we are no longer separated—we have direct access to God, through our Savior Jesus Christ.
Are you a person after God’s own heart? King David of Israel is another “hero of faith” mentioned in Hebrews 11. God called him a “man after My own heart” (Acts 13:22). Has he gone to heaven, or is he still in the grave?
In the Kingdom of God, yet to come to this earth, King David will be the ruler over all the tribes and nations of Israel and Judah (cf. Ezekiel 37:24; Jeremiah 30:9). Certainly David should be in heaven, if the righteous go there the moment they die. Yet the Bible plainly shows that he is not there! On the Day of Pentecost—the very day the New Testament Church was founded—the Apostle Peter said: “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day” (Acts 2:29). After the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, David was still dead and buried! Peter went on to plainly state: “For David did not ascend into the heavens!” (v. 34). David is awaiting the resurrection, as are all the other faithful saints!
Many religious people have been taught the false concept of the immortal soul, and as a result are frightened not only about their own future, but for their friends and relatives who, they fear, are right now being tormented in an eternal hell. But the truth is that not one human being who has ever lived and died is now suffering in hellfire!
Your Bible clearly refers to death metaphorically as a sleep. Jesus referred to His friend Lazarus’ death as a sleep (cf. John 11). The dead have no consciousness. “For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing” (Ecclesiastes 9:5). The dead experience no conscious passing of time. In the next split second of their consciousness, they will awaken in the resurrection.
Rev g says
I disagree with some of your interpretations, but that is not the point. The point was you stating that after death there is nothing, when indeed there is. Even by your own interpretations, all will be called to judgement, therefore dead is not just dead.
Truth is, I had read your statement as atheistic, and was calling that out. Nobody can “prove” that our existence ceases at death. That was all I was getting at.
Mark Swan says
No, I did not say after death there is nothing, what I did say is “She Is Right, when She says, when you are dead, you are dead.” That is a true statement, we do die.
When I say what is in the Bible, it is not my interpretation, but the Bible interpreting itself, that is why I give reference to, what I write, now if I made an error and misquoted what God said, well by all means, point it out to me, if I was wrong I will apologize and stand corrected, only facts interest me.
Now weather I am an Atheist or Christian is really not that important to anyone but me, right.
I know you are a Christian, but even if you were not, I would still respect You, just as much.
Rev g says
Yes, I guess I misquoted you. Of course, people have been revived after being clinically dead, so the certainty of your statement is certainly debatable.
No, the bible, like any written word, does not interpret itself. Few words are as definitive as you suggest. Especially when they have been translated. I completely missed the Hebrew and Greek in your post. I didn’t see the word “aeon” even once, and bet it should have been in at lest a few of your quotes. That word in itself underscores the problem of interpretations.
Angemon says
Or he is crazy.
Carolyne says
I don’t think that taking proper precautions to protect oneself in the face of an enemy whose stated goal is to kill you is fear. It is common sense, which this Pope has time and time again demonstrated that he has a deficiency in that department.
Jay Boo says
The Pope loves his little lamb.
That is so sweet.
Muhammad threatened to commit suicide.
Muhammad had a talking donkey.
Muhammad heard voices as revelations from Allah.
“Recite, Recite, Recite.”
Muhammad loved his talking donkey.
Carolyne says
Jay Boo–“Loved” in what way?
Isn’t there a passage in the Koran which claims that if a Jew hides behind a rock the rock will speak and say, “Hey, MO ” (May piss be upon him) “There’s a Jew hiding behind me.?
Gloria Negro says
Look at the simpleton in the picture….HE will be the sacrificial lamb
abel & solomon says
Part Seven; Is Allah the same as the God of the Jews and Christians? (from The Undoing:Islam by its own words, the amazing free e-book that’s turning heads in some very high places. Get your free copy or read it online here;- http://abelandsolomon.simplesite.com/424568444 , for the bigger picture read our full length book Islamic Apocalypse;- https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AS09LYW )
One God, or different deities?
The word “Allah” today simply means “the deity”, so religions other than Islam also use this word in Arabic to refer to their gods. This does not mean that they are the same spiritual entity, we have to consider their attributes as revealed in the sacred writings to discover whether or not they are the same. The Koran says; (9:2) “ye cannot escape Allah…”, (113:2) “…the evil He created”, (74:56) “He is the fount of fear”, (16:70); “Allah… causeth you to die”, (22:6) “Allah quickeneth the dead”, (32:13) “will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together”, (2:167) “They will never get out of the fire”. From such verses it is very apparent that Islamic Allah is not the same as the God of the Bible who is described very differently; “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have eternal life” (Gospel of John 3:16), “God is love” (1 John 4:8), “Save others by snatching them out of the fire (of going to hell)” (Jude 1:23), “He is not the God of the dead but of the living” (Gospel of Mark 12:27). Islam’s Allah is very clearly not the same as the God of the Christians and Jews.
There is no god but God, so who is Allah?
Is Allah the Satan of the Bible? As we have seen Allah admits urging people into hell, he and his fallen angels are in charge there (74:30); “have We not only appointed angels to be wardens of the Fire…”. He assigns a demon to each Muslim (7:27); “We appointed devils as companions…” and thus fits Satan’s description as “Beelzebub, Prince of Demons”.
The Star and Crescent
One of the “Seven Wonders of the Ancient World”, was “the temple of great Artemis, of her image (idol) which fell from heaven” (Book of Acts 19:35). Artemis is the Greek name for the crescent moon goddess Diana and her image was much like Mecca’s Black Stone. John of Damascus in the Fount of Knowledge tells that the Black Stone has the likeness of Aphrodite (the Greek name for Venus), “who they (the Arabs) named Akbar in their own language”. Hence that Islamist shout of “Allahu Akbar” really is an invocation of the ancient goddess of war Venus, whose symbol is a five-pointed star. During WW2 author John Van Ess visiting the Ka’aba noted; “in one corner is the Black Stone, probably a meteorite, the kissing of which is now an essential part of the pilgrimage”. If the Hajj Pilgrimage and the direction of prayer of all Muslims are focussed on this egg shaped idol, once addressed as a female pagan deity, then it is evident, as many experts maintain, that Islam is actually paganism packaged as monotheism.
Keys says
Quite an honor to be ISIS’ “enemy number one” – no fatwa necessary.
Can we see pictures of the top ten at an ISIS post office?
Salman Rushdie and the Giza Sphynx may be down some in the rankings,
but perhaps Porky Pig and Lassie made it.
Carolyne says
Given their aversion to pigs and dogs, probably. However, it is much to the credit of pigs and dogs that they are disliked by the desert vermin.
mortimer says
While the pope was bending over backwards to Islam to show what nice guys Christians are, ISIS murdered 85-year-old priest Jacques Hamel, by forcing him to kneel at mass and slitting his throat and then also critically wounded an 86-year-old man. Now ISIS has declared war on the pope who kissed the feet of Muslims and welcomed Merkels millions into Europe!
I guess the pope needs to adopt Islam or ISIS will continue to murder Christians. I guess Muslims want to extinguish Christianity. But the pope is sure he understands Islam better than the ordinary Muslim.
G. R. Gunning says
So many words and drivel written about religion for many hundreds of years by millions of people. So many years of traditions, worship, mystique, play-acting, wars, murders, lies, crime and corruption performed in it’s name. And all for ……. what? So that in the 21st century the whole world is still at each other’s throats? I’ve never read “The God Delusion” but the title says it all. Come on world – Wake Up! – the whole thing is a crock. All the atheists I know are sensible, essentially moral people who are unencumbered by all the absurd paraphernalia of “religion” and are better people because of it. The more devout people become, the more unstable they become, finally landing up on the edge of lunacy.
gravenimage says
Whatever your view of religion, it is not Infidels who are making these kinds of threats. Note it is not the Pope himself making such threats.
Moreover, Atheists are under the same threat from Islam that Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and other religious Kuffar are.
Carolyne says
I am an Atheist, and I know that I would be a target for Islam had they the chance. I hate Muslims, unencumbered by any directive to love everyone and to turn the other cheek.. I will fight back. The old saw, “Hate the sin but love the sinner” is a ridiculous and impossible philosophy as they can not be separated. If what what a person does, which in this case is so unspeakable, how can it be separated from the person? Nonsense.
I think other religions are not like Islam because they generally preach humanity and morality. They do not command that you become a serial killer, take sex slaves, or rape children. I know of no other religion which urges you to kill people who don’t agree with you.
So while I personally do not believe in a “Supreme being” I do not criticize those who do, except of course, Islam.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
You find it difficult to tell the truth Carolyne, you could add Catholics and the Pope.
Your thinking in a disrespectful, hateful manner is no better than ISS.
linnte says
Bull PUCKY! Carolyne has NEVER murdered someone by chopping off their head. She is using her right as a free human being to speak her mind. Ye’d best review what makes Islamic State what it is and leave anyone here on JW off that review. Your so-called comparison is like comparing apples to nuclear bombs. Sheesh!
Oliver says
malcolm (south africa)- Carolyne did not mention any religion- the following is from her post–I think other religions are not like Islam because they generally preach humanity and morality. They do not command that you become a serial killer, take sex slaves, or rape children. I know of no other religion which urges you to kill people who don’t agree with you.
So, why should she single out the pope and the catholic church?
where is she hateful? because she doesn’t bow to your church/ You-in my view-seem to be the hateful one
gravenimage says
Malcolm, how is anything Carolyn said “hateful”? She is an Atheist, but is respectful to all faiths except for violent Islam. The idea that this makes her “no better than ISS (sic)” is nonsensical.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely, linnte, Oliver, and gravenimage, thank you all for the truth.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Linnte I am a Catholic, just one of many who appreciates truth, to smear innuendo and lies.
Carolyne is a liar, or uneducated at best and you are no better, none of you know the Catholic Church or our Pope. Do not come with anecdotal evidence and do not use website to spread your hate. When you talk of rights, you need to have a basic concept of what a universal right is
Everyone a right to: His or hers GOOD NAME.
So compare what my replies to her are and what your reply to me is: are you retarded?
linnte says,
September 3, 2016 at 9:01 pm
Bull PUCKY! Carolyne has NEVER murdered someone by chopping off their head. She is using her right as a free human being to speak her mind. Ye’d best review what makes Islamic State what it is and leave anyone here on JW off that review. Your so-called comparison is like comparing apples to nuclear bombs. Sheesh!
This is my reply to Carolyne :You find it difficult to tell the truth Carolyne, you could add Catholics and the Pope.
Your thinking in a disrespectful, hateful manner is no better than ISS.
Carolyne says
September 1, 2016 at 11:24 am
I really think this Pope is simply very stupid. He even looks stupid–He’s a mouth breather. The picture of him kissing Muslims’ feet makes me think he has some kind of foot fetish. But then, in my opinion, a life of celibacy is not a normal life and IMO one must be somewhat sexually abnormal to even consider such a life. Also, it is a well known fact that some priests talk the talk but do not walk the walk, some with children. Even Popes. And the fact that such behavior is covered up tells me that it is not outside the norm for Catholic priests.
September 1, 2016 at 11:40 am
I find it offensive being referred to as a “Sheep,” with this old silly man in a dress as shepherd.I am not Catholic and never have been, I still find it abusive. We are each more effectively able to follow our own moral path with no need of a shepherd in a dress.
By the way, the word “Pontiff” derives from the title given to bridge keepers in ancient Rome, and the miter which the Popes wear on their heads are copied from the head wear of the bridge keepers. No particular reaon for bringing this up except to demonstrate some pagan customs appropriated from pagans.
Until quite recently, women were required to cover their heads in Catholic Churches. I don’t know why that would not apply to men. Were women inferior in the Catholic Church and did they cover their heads for the same reason Muslim women are required to do: to prevent men from going into a sexual frenzy right there in church?
Reply
September 1, 2016 at 11:44 am
No. It doesn’t.
One wonders what part of Muslims’ anatomy the Pope kisses when not in public.
linnte says
Malcolm, I left one comment, and that’s all I will say. Period. I don’t get involved in people breaking down someone else’s opinion, and anyone is entitled to their own opinion, including me. So if you come her to discuss Islam, fine. But if you are here solely to defend Catholicism, I have no interest in your defense. You compared Carolyn to ISIS. That’s mighty Christian of you. Blah! Ask your priest if that is right or wrong if you can’t see that that has to be the ultimate in heinous slander.
Kelly says
Malcolm, I am Catholic also.
Carolyn said nothing against religions other than Islam.
She just doesn’t believe.
But neither does she believe or follow evil spirits or do their evil deeds.
It can be hard to hear things against the Church but on this website at least, those things are against Church positions (not even necessarily Church teaching). I actually share those concerns as I believe it is immoral that the Church has not more strongly stood up for persecuted Christians and in many quarters the Church is far too weak in proclaiming Jesus Lord and Savior, victorious over death.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Kelly to say : “that the Catholic Church is immoral that the Church has not more strongly stood up for persecuted Christians and in many quarters the Church is far too weak in proclaiming Jesus Lord and Savior, victorious over death.” is not exactly true.
We are in Syria we are in Nigeria we are in Yemen we stand by the persecuted we assist where we can. Priest have lost their lives there we have three bishops still missing, nuns have died there.
If one has an opinion base it on facts or evidence.
If people are sincerely in the west concerned about christian lives then start a movement to stop selling weapons that kill and maim us, stop training them to kill us.
Above all if human life is so important to you why does the west kill their own unborn, the problem that we have, it is your Governments that is opening the Gates to the Western world by entertaining the possibility of Turkey becoming an EU member.
If that happens , North Africa Islamic members will take over Europe democratically.
If Pope Francis is for immigration, he is not saying they should not be vetted. he is not saying you must give them more rights than your own citizens. It is your governments that are doing this.
All religions and people have a propensity to violence, that is a given fact.Pope Francis is a spiritual leader not a war monger.
He is neither an idiot or stupid, those who experience war and violence know it is not good, Christians around the world are outside our safety net and are in constant danger, yet people would want the Pope to endanger their lives by saying things they would want to hear.
Read careful what I said to Carolyne,
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Linnte quite frankly you contradict yourself, however, every one in you reasoning, is entitled to an opinion, except those who disagree with Caroline’s narrative.
In this case when one spews out drivel from a keyboard which is totally absurd, one should keep quite, as it is the driveler’s right, in your humble opinion..
There is only one right in debate, that is to put your case forward in truth,to be respectful.
When one ridicules the Pope and priest unjustly and says they have nothing against religions, that is rot and no Catholic should recoil from those who attack us or invent lies.
My religion is not devoid of leadership, there is no separation, it is part of being Catholic. It is part of the sacrament of confirmation.
If one attacked an innocent atheist or Muslim, secularist unjustly, hopefully i would come to their aide.
Do I like those that lie, steal, rape murder, commit adultery, engage in homosexual activity or pedophilia, no, however I do not wish them harm, If they needed help, I would help, and I seek no revenge. Let justice take its course.
You might not take my word for it, but its the same spirit that motivates the lot.
The sacramental life is part of me and I meet with priest on a regular basis, take your own advice.
Kelly says
@ Malcolm (South Africa)
I agree with you on many things.
I realize the Church exists in all those places and is persecuted. I hear also about the religious being murdered. It breaks my heart. I pray regularly for the world’s churches and Christians. I also try to make my local church aware. I did not mean my statement as an absolute but that western churches are not doing enough. At the very least, we should be praying together regularly for the world’s churches. We should be admonished to pray for persecuted Christians. Those things are not happening here.
I also agree with you about the battle being spiritual. And I agree about the concern about abortion.
Yes, Pope Francis is a spiritual leader. Yet his words have an effect on politics. I also know that his monthly prayer intention for September is for evangelism. Let us be unified in reading Scripture and in receiving the Sacraments and pray that this intention is effective, maybe particularly in my country.
God be with you, Malcolm.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Kelly thank you so much, it is distressing to see our brothers and sisters slaughtered.
In Africa if we take up arms to defend ourselves as in Central Africa, we would have the UN sending troops to stop us yet, they allow the persecution of Christians in Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, China, Vietnam.
In Iraq and Syria our fellow Christians were living in relative peaceful conditions having a semblance of peaceful coexistence, the Western nations were warned of Catholic concerns for their safety. The world has abandoned them, thrown them to the wolves, and have trained and armed those who kill us. The MSM ignores their plight.
In the USA their emigration policy has reached the quota of ten thousand immigrants. The main recipients are Wahhabi Sunni Muslims, then a few hundred Shiites, and 25 Christians. Considering that there are over 500 000 displaced Christians, what justice is this, in the secularized West.
The Catholic Church has nothing to do with this, it is Western Governments who give rights to those who persecute us.
Saudi Arabia, gives no rights to Christians although there is a huge Christian workforce there, they are persecuted and treated badly. However there is not a murmur from the West, to accord Christians in Saudi Arabia the same rights as the West gives Muslims in their Lands.
The mosques that go up in England in Paris, France, Germany and the rest of Europe notwithstanding Africa are funded by Saudi Arabia.
This is not the Catholic Church who is allowing this, it is secular Governments that is selling out its people.
It has thrown its Christian heritage down the drain and decreased its population for mammon,a comfortable life, destroyed Christianity through its propaganda MSM.
Do I fear, no, I trust the teaching Authority of the Church, I trust the Christian God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
I only trust priest who are in union with our Faith and practice it, I am well aware of the 200 Bishops that pledged loyalty to the earthly king and I am in total awe with the one who did not, Bishop Fisher.
He did not recoil from evil so why should Catholics, we are not a pacifist religion, we are in our rights to defend and come to the aide of our brothers and sisters where there is injustice.
Can we ever help our people enough, how much is enough?
However we can pray, we can attend mass we can make use of the sacraments, we can raise our voice, we can write, we can convince others.
If we fear and recoil from evil we can do nothing.
God bless you Kelly pray for the Church, pray for me and I will do the same for you.
Kelly says
Thank you, Malcolm. And please tell me more about this:
“I only trust priest who are in union with our Faith and practice it, I am well aware of the 200 Bishops that pledged loyalty to the earthly king and I am in total awe with the one who did not, Bishop Fisher.”
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Briefly: John Fisher was a Bishop, who was summoned at Lambeth Palace to sign the supremacy act around 1534, he refused and was sentenced to death.
He was imprisoned in the tower of London, as was Thomas More.
The supremacy act: gave royalty supremacy over the Catholic Church.
St Fisher, had a great love for the mass and truth and was quite old at the time.
At the scaffold he said: Christian people, I am come hither to die for the faith of Christ’s Holy Catholic Church.” He asked them to pray for him so that his courage would not fail him at the instant of death, and that he would remain steadfast in every part of the Catholic faith.
200 Bishops capitulated.
The teaching authority is the magisteruim of the Church: it is authoritative, Vatican 2 documents are valid however need to be understood through scripture and other authoritative documents, proceeding it, in a 2000 year history.
I follow the Church teachings. not individual interpretation.
What Pope Francis says on a plane is one thing and is open for discussion, it is not authoritative, however we need to look very carefully at what he is not saying. I pass no judgement on that and prefer to find his reasoning instead of jumping to false conclusions.
Keep the Faith Kelly and may John Fisher, Thomas More, all the Saints pray for us.
John Marst says
It’s surprising they would want to slaughter this dhimmi. He is more useful to them than a truckload of suicide vests.
Guest says
If anyone isn’t exactly like them then they deserve to die. That’s what Islamis about.
Wellington says
It is a great bonus, if not an imperative, for Western Civilization that the Pontifex Maximus is not a fool. Unfortunately, the present Pontifex Maximus is just that.
But what percentage of the College of Cardinals realizes this? Ah, therein lies the rub, lies the fate of the Catholic Church long term, lies the fate even of the West because a muscular and knowledgeable Pope, instead of the pathetic excuse now occupying the throne of St. Peter, tends to serve as a wonderful barometer of where Western Civilization is headed in general. Not always of course but often. And behind every Pope is the College of Cardinals and so look to there, to that body, for accurate prognostication.
The Catholic Church is headed the wrong way right now. That’s for sure and those averring otherwise are fools or worse, courtesy in part of the doofus now entrenched in the Vatican. But let’s nor forget the College of Cardinals which I already mentioned. Look to those who make up this body even more than to the temporary occupant of the throne of St. Peter.
Incomplete not to do so—–even unwise. Therein a not insignificant amount of future history lies.
Carolyne says
But it is they, the College of Cardinals, who elected this foolish man.
Carmel says
At least with Islamic State, they say what they will do and they do what they say . I have more esteem for them on that matter than Francis 0 . His islamic hypocrisy doesn’t fit with his function .
gravenimage says
Carmel, Muslims are only “honest”–that is, they only eschew Taqiyya–when they are feeling so emboldened that they do not feel the need for it. Then, the mask comes off.
Guest says
The Pope is an idiot but he doesn’t deserve to be killed by Muslims.
And we don’t believe in this ‘Allah’ because he does not exist.
linnte says
I agree 100%. The Pope may be making huge mistakes according to us, but how do we know if God doesn’t have some plan to use this whole ignorant Islamic loving Pope in. No one deserves to be murdered ever. I do agree with Capital punishment though, for the right circumstance.
Carolyne says
I don’t think he should be murdered, either, but I fail to see how a wise and loving God would allow this idiot to lead the Catholic Church. If there were a God, I think that He/She would be much more intelligent.
le mouron rouge says
linnte,
You are correct, God “does” have a plan.
The world is not falling apart, according to Bible Prophecy things are falling into place, and “yes” this Pope is part of God’s plan, the same as Obama is part of God’s plan.
God gives us the kind of Leadership (or lack of) that we deserve.
The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders
and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved
Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
In order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
– 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (ESV)
gravenimage says
No, of course Pope Francis does not deserve to be murdered by Muslims. No one does. His foolish actions are making it more likely that many more of us will be murdered by them, though.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Serves him right for kissing Muslim feet. This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. He is no vicar of Christ.
davej says
Pope Francis is acting the role of Appeaser-in-Chief, like Neville Chamberlain, hope against hope and “peace for our time”.
Hitler wasn’t impressed (except by the dhimmitude) and neither is ISIS.
Sibila says
Many of you here are quick to fall in satanic trap. That’s all what those losers want :: worshipers of Satan are running out of excuses for their bloody baths, the only thing they know to do – so they want us to bite.
We offered them a helping hand, we showed them understanding and demonstrated tolerance etc etc
There is a time for everything, as the Bible says, so when it comes time for war – it will be when it needs to be, and not when they demand it
Don’t we already know the Winner 🙂
Carolyne says
I certainly have never offered understanding to this group which murders on a whim, even infants. How could someone who purports to be a Christian offer to accept enslaving other human beings? How could a decent person offer to understand that? How could we tolerate this, or offer to tolerate it? How could we offer a “Helping hand,” to sharpen their knives?
Satan does not exist, so therefore no satanic trap. If we were to wait until a God’s time to go to war with them, we will wait forever. It is time to stop waiting for pie in the sky when we die and take action to protect ourselves and preserve those who will follow us.
Rev g says
Who writes this blather? Everyone knows that Carolyne does not exist.
YBD says
Remember: The Pope declared this The Year of The Mercy. Last time this was done was in 2000, and what happened after that???
Jake says
ISIS calls him enemy number one? What a nice thing to say about this pope!
Mark Swan says
Jake you got that right.