“The Pope and others in the Church are not telling the truth about Islam. Some think they are doing so deliberately as part of a strategy to prevent further radicalization. Some (myself included) think they are doing so out of sheer naïveté. In either case, if they continue to defend Islam as a peaceful religion, it is bound to result in a crisis of trust and a crisis of faith.”
I think they are doing this out of a false and misguided understanding of Christian charity that is so welcoming to “the stranger” that it won’t stop welcoming him even at the point of civilizational suicide. This foolishness combined with the globalist agenda of the political and media elites has the Church and the West in the fix they’re in. As millions of Muslims stream into Europe, and mainstream politicians and the Church demonize opposition to this suicidal madness as “hatred” and “bigotry,” millions of Christians stream out of the Church that has abandoned them, and the free world, at the hour of greatest need.
(By the way, it was our own Hugh Fitzgerald who first noted the #NotMyPope hashtag here on August 4.)
“The Church and Islam: The Next Cover-up Scandal,” by William Kilpatrick, Crisis, August 10, 2016:
“#NotMyPope.” In the wake of Pope Francis’ equivocal response to the murder of a French priest by two Islamic jihadists, that’s the top trending hashtag in France and in Belgium.
Which raises a question: Is the Pope doing more harm than good by continuing to deny—in the face of a mountain of evidence—that Islam has anything to do with violence?
As I’ve noted several times in the past, the Church’s handling of the Islamic crisis may prove to be far more scandalous than its handling of the sex abuse crisis. The main scandal surrounding the revelation of priestly sex abuse was that it was covered up for a very long time by priests, pastors, and even bishops. By their silence, many Church officials were, in effect, denying that there was a serious problem. The effect on Catholic morale was profound. In those places which were most seriously affected by the scandals, such as Massachusetts and Ireland, church attendance dropped off dramatically. Disaffected Catholics didn’t necessarily lose their faith in God but they did lose faith in the Catholic Church.
The Church’s handling of the numerous cases of “Islamic abuse” has the potential for causing a greater scandal. The similarities are striking. Once again we have Church leaders who deny that there is any serious problem. This can be seen, for example, in Pope Francis’ repeated assurances that Islamic violence is the work of “a small group of fundamentalists” who, according to him, don’t have anything to do with Islam. And once again, we have a cover-up—this time of the aggressive nature of Islam. After every terrorist incident, the Pope or some Vatican spokesman leaps to the defense of Islam lest anyone get the idea that there is a link between Islam and violence.
This is sometimes done by denying that terrorist groups or individual jihadists are motivated by religious beliefs (despite voluminous evidence that they are). Sometimes it is done by drawing a moral equivalence between Islam and other religions. Recently, when asked why he did not speak of Islamic violence, the Pope replied that “If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence.” Of course, it’s a false comparison. When Catholics commit violence they do not do so in the name of their religion, but in violation of it. Most people realize that there is an enormous difference between the Catholic “who has murdered his girlfriend,” and the jihadist who slits a priest’s throat while shouting “Allahu Akbar.”
And that’s the problem. More and more people can see that what the Pope and others in the hierarchy are saying about Islam and Islamic violence doesn’t comport with reality. If things continue in this direction, it will generate an enormous crisis of confidence in the Church. It is potentially a crisis of much great proportion than the sex abuse scandals. This time the victims of the cover-up will be counted not in the thousands, but in the tens of millions. And this time we will be talking not about damaged lives, but about dead bodies.
Millions of Christians in the Middle East and Africa are already dead as a result of jihad violence, and millions more have been forced to flee their homes (see here and here). It’s estimated that some two million were killed by Muslims in Sudan alone between 1983 and 1995. Many of the victims were completely unprepared because they had been assured by Church leaders that Islam is a peaceful religion just like Christianity or Judaism. In Europe, millions more are threatened by an influx of Muslim migrants—a migration that many Church authorities have encouraged. As Robert Spencer put it in a recent column, “The Pope is betraying the Christians of the Middle East and the world, and all the victims of jihad violence, by repeating palpable falsehoods about the motivating ideology of attacks upon them.” Jean-Clément Jeanbart, the Melkite Greek Catholic Archbishop of Aleppo, said something similar last year when he criticized his brother bishops in France for ignoring the persecution of Middle Eastern Christians. He castigated them for being uninformed and in thrall to political correctness.
The Pope and others in the Church are not telling the truth about Islam. Some think they are doing so deliberately as part of a strategy to prevent further radicalization. Some (myself included) think they are doing so out of sheer naïveté. In either case, if they continue to defend Islam as a peaceful religion, it is bound to result in a crisis of trust and a crisis of faith….

Dan says
If the Pope keeps this denial up, then, to paraphrase one of America’s greatest leaders…
“I didn’t leave the Catholic church. The Catholic church left me.”
RichardL says
I feel like you but have come to a conclusion for myself. The Pope is almost always wrong when talking about politics, but his theological writings are amazing. I can disagree with him on politics and it doesn’t harm my faith in the Holy Catholic Church. He is just one pope after all.
And I agree with the article above: they are terribly naive because they are such good people. They can imagine a religion being like this.
ECAW says
“his theological writings are amazing”
Can you give us an example?
Alexius Comnenus says
“Who am I to judge’ the homosexuals, Pope Francis said.
‘Islam is a religion of peace and of love’ pope Francis said.
Pope Francis washed the feet of muslims during the Holy Week. Did our Jesus washed the feet of the elders or of the high priests from the temple? Nope! He washed the feet of His disciples.
Following the murder during the mass of the French prelate, pope Francis stated that in the Christian world we see violence. He was just tried to sound political correct like Obama.
What other illustrious Popes stated in regard to islam? Just read.
Pope Francis wants all the borders open so the Islamic crusade comes in and through demographic explosion will dominate and Islamized the West.
Just pray for this pope, please!
Douglas Brown says
An example of amazing writing would rather be Joseph Ratzinger, The Infancy Narratives, Jesus of Nazareth, and, From The Baptism In The Jordan to The Transfiguration, Jesus of Nazareth, or Ratzinger’s, Church Fathers, From Clement of Rome to Augustine. Or the great Cardinal John Henry Newman’s, Historical Sketches, where on page 69 he comments, “The imposter Mahomet, announcing himself the Prophet of God, was writing the pages of that book, and moulding the faith of that people, which waste subdue half the known world.
harbidoll says
Your faith should be in G-d & His right hand of power Y’shua Jesus & the Bible. Even a child can read it & understand it. All else is human & therefore imperfect.& could be destroyed. Can you say if the buildings fall or are burnt & small groups of Christians have to meet in homes, all is well with my soul.!? There is a real possibility G-d will test our faith in Him by doing just that! Im so sick of hearing people say Im of the RCC or J. Witnesses or L D Saints instead of BELIEVER . Its arrogant, selfish & as the Book says carnal, childish. G-d will sort it all out later.
Carolyne says
Saying you are a RCC, or JW or LDS is carnal? That makes no sense. Certainly one could say naïve, or mistaken but carnal? I don’t think so.
Thomas Poovathinkal SSP says
THE TELEGRAPH (2 August, 2016) ON POPE FRANCIS
Brzegi (Poland) ; During the last Holy Sacrifice of the Mass Pope Francis celebrated before one million pilgrims near Krakow in connection with he conclusion of the World Youth Day, the Pope spoke once again referring to the terrorist threat and migrant crisis.
Pope Francis urged young people during the weekend to stand up to violence, hatred and terror instead of being “COUCH POTATOES” GLUED TO “THE SCREEN OF A CELLPHONE”.
THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER of Poland Jaroslaw Gowin told a Polish web portal, “The Pope is concerned with your SALVATION. I am concerned with your SAFETY”
Christianblood says
For those who are disillusioned with Roman Catholicism, please welcome and feel at home in the Holy Orthodox Church! Visit an Orthodox Church near you. Or chek out Rev. Theodore Nottingham’s lectures on the link below. He is of great help for the those who are seeking (Theosis) and related Orthodox spirituality disciplines. He is in the US and he is an expert in these matters and wrote many books on the subject. Watch his short lectures please:
Cynthia in California says
@Christianblood: I post very much the same message whenever I see another distraught Catholic or Protestant wanting to leave his/her lifelong church. I had an experience in an Orthodox church over a year ago and ended up converting after decades of search.
To those fearing services in languages they don’t understand, pls. look at https://oca.org (Orthodox Church in America–which includes Canada). OCA churches almost always conduct their services exclusively in English. Orthodoxy celebrates the wonder of God and does NOT dwell on “sin” like the Western churches do.
Christianblood says
Cynthia in California posted
(..I post very much the same message whenever I see another distraught Catholic or Protestant wanting to leave his/her lifelong church. I had an experience in an Orthodox church over a year ago and ended up converting after decades of search..)
Thank you very much, Cynthia! You are a great soul and I am happy you joined the Orthodox Church. Keep up the good work!
Lynne says
I was a Catholic and left the church because of child abuse but mainly for the coverup. I believe, like Robert and some of you that the pope is naive. He is making a huge mistake. Unfortunately, he has many followers who are also naive. They don’t feel that Islam is bad.
God help us all!
le Mouron rouge says
Hi Lynne,
I’m sorry to hear what you experienced as a Roman Catholic, no child should ever have to go through a horrible situation like that regardless of who committed that vile act.
As one former Roman Catholic to another, God works in mysterious ways. Yeshua HaMashiach brought you out of the bondage of the Roman Catholic Church.
Grace alone, through Faith alone, through Yeshua HaMashaich alone.
Jer 29:11: For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future
Josh 1:9: Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go.”
Keep Looking Up.
JTLiuzza says
“Amazing?” In what context? If you mean amazingly heretical, amazingly stupid, amazingly lutheran, amazingly unCatholic, amazingly destructive… then I agree with you.
Bergoglio is a buffoon. Regarding the content of the article, what’s needed is another Pope Urban II, “Deus vult!!”
Adrian Johnson says
The late Fr Malachi Martin mentioned a prophecy that
“The last Pope [of this era] would be under the influence [which doesn’t necessarily mean consciously] of Satan.”
There is some reason to think that this is part of the “3rd Fatima secret” which hasn’t been made public, despite official protestations to the contrary.
Thomas Poovathinkal says
The deputy P.M. or so of Poland, “The Pope’s (Pope Francis’) concern is SALVATION” of the PEOPLE. “My concern is the SAFETY” of the PEOPLE.
Amy glass says
This is why other religions are not the best vantage point at which to talk about the problems of Islam. They are worried that criticizing the violence and barbarism of Islamic text and practice will ultimately lead to their own ideologies being critically examined as well. I said it here in a comment a while back that this is why the Catholic Church hierarchy is refusing to condem the increasing jihadi violence around the world and the pope confirms my past conjecture. Bill Donahue, head of the catholic league here in the U.S., is a perfect example. He is always very hesitant to criticize Islam because he wants religion – all religion- to be above any criticism and by refraining from criticizing Islam, he hopes Catholicism will also be given special sacred privileges- to be held beyond criticism. Islam needs to be challenged from a secular, human rights point of view. It is the best way to defeat extremist ideology. Western Christianity was not moderated and mellowed by challenges from other religions but by secular, scientific, humanist concepts of human rights.
Gen Jones says
Good point. You can argue Bible vs Koran to the cherry picking death and most people don’t care. However suggest people read the UN Declaration on Human Rights, which most civilized countries have endorsed, and compare it to the OIC’s Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam. It’s immediately clear that Islam has a tiered system with first, second, third etc class categories based on religion and sex. So to pretend that in Islam all men are created equal or that it is compatible with the US Constution is a lie. It contradicts the beautiful first line of the preamble of the Declaration of Independence. (Certainly Islam has no truck with the pursuit of happiness ? )
Lion of Judah's Cub says
Actually if you study the horrors of the reign of terror by the secularists during and after the French Revolution you will realize that secularism has not brought about human rights. It was the Church that championed human rights and continues to do so to this day despite the many false leaders at the top.
Consider also the vicious slaughter of pre-born children through abortion – over 55 million Americans have been brutally murdered since Roe v. Wade. It should also be noted that the pregnant plaintiff in the case never intended to have an abortion, it was a ruse to gain the sympathy of the court which made bad law denying the basic human right to millions of Americans – the right to life.
See also the writings of St. Bellarmine (Catholic Cardinal) which inspired the American Declaration of Independence. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6607
PaulR says
I disagree to this degree.
The Church did not admit that they stupidly opened the Priesthood to Gays and a made for environment to execute their sex proclivities.
80& of cases were Pederasty i.e. men on post pubescent boys.
The Church never identified the Gay as culprits because they were promoted to Bishop/Cardinal & in a position to cover up the scheme.
See the book “Goodbye/Goodmen” by Michael Morris.
le Mouron rouge says
Paragraphs please. It makes reading so much easier. Thank you.
mortimer says
Real meaning of Pope Francis’ words: “JUST DRINK THE KOOLAID.”
Polk1970 says
Where is the FORCED OUT Pope Benedict?
Is he a prisoner of The Swiss Guard?
Cecilia Ellis says
Polk, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI is now living at Vatican City in a restored monastery, Mater Ecclesiae, which previously housed cloistered sisters, who vacated the facility prior to Benedict’s public retirement. The monastery is located inside the Vatican Gardens.
al says
Pope Francis is a man with his head ‘up and locked’ and he will probably remain in this position for the rest of his life..
All any intelligent person has to do is read the Qur’an with an open mind, I did not say an empty mind ( like the Pope in question), and you will find many, many places where the follower of Islam is told to kill all Jews, Christians and any other unbeliever on earth… It is the duty of the Muslim to bring Sharia to all civilizations on earth..
If you read the Qur’an you know doubt will notice the close copying from the Torah, which may lead you to believe that Mohammad was taught the religion of the Jews prior to his supposed encounter with the Angel Gabriel…. And if you read the history of Rome you will find that Rome destroyed Israel in 70 AD and all of the Jews and Christians that they could catch were put in bondage and transported throughout the Roman world and sold into Slavery… Those Jews and Christians that ran into the deserts of Arabi escaped this fate and they, over time, migrated to the Gulf Coast of the Arabian Sea, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean. Thereby creating a civilized society in Arabi over generations…
Mohammad was born in 562 AD. The Jews and Christians had some 500 years to civilize Arabi prior to Mohammad. It does not take a genius to see the BS of Islam and the Muslim worlds birth….
Angemon says
Not that the usurper in the Vatican will know or care about it…
Son of the West says
The constant drumbeat of apologists for Islam is sickening enough from the secular media and spokesclowns is sickening enough. Coming from the one institution that should know what Western civilization is up against is just saddening.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
I think the anti-pope’s comments are not based on naivete but on something more sinister. He’s not my pope. Pope Benedict is still alive and still my pope; like a grandfather he cannot retire or be replaced.
Pong says
And BHO is not your president?
I noticed that people drop their intelligence when faith comes into question.
If you are a catholic, he is your pope. Catholic Church is not a democratic institution. The process of one becoming a pope is well structured and hasn’t changed for centuries. You can’t cherripic what you like. Being a catholic, you support this structure. Seating on two chairs is not very comfortable, but in this case it is also a hypocrisy.
SoliDeoGloria says
Well said Pong.
Although I must say that one can have faith while keeping one’s intelligence – they’re not necessarily mutually exclusive 🙂
RonW says
If you and the Pope ate both Cathoilc, he is your pope. The current Pope is not Catholic in any meaningful sense of the word, other than as a political appointee od the Vatican state.
Pong says
But I aggree with you. It isn’t nativity. Islam and catholic church have common enemy – secularism. Catholic Church knows Islam, when in power, will not tolerate secularism. Everyone will have to belong to a congregation and the church will be the only go between people and government. People will have no choice. The churches will be full again and those, who do not attend the mass, will be reported and punished.
The process of collusion started long time ago and Benedict, not understanding that (or being against, had to go). JP II didn’t have a problem to appease islam and got his sainthood.
For years I have been ostracized on this blog, as a catholic hater, for stating my views. Islam and the church have more in common, then it looks. And it is not only catholic church. Other congregations and even some jewish ones, doing the same.
harbidoll says
So he not only doesnt care if Orthodox , Protestant or Evangelical & Darwinist people are killed but secretly encourages it?!!!! Is there a Treaty tween Vatican & Islam? All
apostate European people are expendable? Does he despise them that much? Seems a bit much.
CrossWare says
I think you are spot on. What is happening now, nothing to do with being naive. Also ties back with globalists. The NWO wants a group which capable of self policing (suppressing army expensive) and Muslims are very capable of doing that: killing critics, apostates etc). The Pope and the catholic church just wants to join the “gravy train”.
Robert Elliott says
Pong, well put, but it seems you and I are the only ones who believe this (see my post further down). I honestly believe that the fervently religious of all faiths have decided to forget their (massive) differences and unite. The Men of God against the heathens. They despise any atheists or agnostic in this increasingly non-religious world.
The fact that Christians are prepared to ignore the fact that Islam has their divine saviour, Jesus, as Isa, a human Muslim prophet says it all.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
Pong and friends,
Your views that the Catholics and Jews are in collusion with Islam is just dumb. Francis may be in collusion with Islam but he is not a true Catholic, he does not even defend his own flock in Syria and Iraq. He is an anti-pope (not a valid pope).
Islam bastardized the Bible to create a false religion to help the spread of Arab imperialism. Any references to Jesus are attempts to distort Jesus and his role in salvation history. Islam denies that Jesus is God. It is a false teaching – an antichrist teaching.
On a spiritual level, Islam was created by Satan using human agents as a response to Christianity and the children of Israel. Satan hates Christians and Jews (the two Witnesses) and he has been trying to destroy them through Islam, nazism, communism and now secularism.
Please don’t try to educate Catholics on the true Catholic Church, you don’t know what you are talking about.
le mouron rouge says
The Bible should be the final authority.
Acts 17:10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue
Acts 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, “examining the Scriptures daily” to see if these things were so.
Carolyne says
Don’t have a Pope. Don’t believe in Popes whoever they are.
I think Benedict was forced to retire because of his well thought out comments on Islam. It was either that or the silver hammer. He chose to hole up in Castel Gandolpho. Smart move.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
Pong,
I guess you missed my point; a valid Pope cannot retire. It is not a job but a lifetime position. Pope Benedict was forced out by a mafia-style gang of wolves in sheep’s clothing (modernist German and other Cardinals). By the way, Pope Paul VI stated in 1972 that the Vatican had been infiltrated by the “smoke of Satan”. In other words, actual satanists have infiltrated into the highest echelons of the Catholic Church. Satan hates the Catholic Church as it is his greatest enemy on Earth.
Pong says
I think, I made it quite clear in my post, that Benedict was forced to leave.
One doesn’t have to be a catholic theologian to see the trend in the church’s towards accomodation of islam. It became obvious with J-P II, but started even before him. Although his priority was communism, he was quite comfortable with another theocracy.
To defend present position (regardless of an angle such defence uses) of catholic church and being anti-islam at the same time, has become an impossible intellectual acrobatics.
Mike says
That asshole is NOT the Church. NOT the representative of Christ on Earth. He is just a politician. The leader of the “organization” known as the Catholic Church.
It is perfectly possible to remain a Christian, but abandon the Church.
If you are a Christian then all that should matter to you is Christ and His teachings. Not what this traitor
politician says or does. You can still believe, still pray, and still come together with other REAL Christians.
You don’t need the institution known as the Church. The real Church is the collective of believing Christians.
Lynne says
I wholeheartedly agree!
le mouron rouge says
Hi Mike,
For the most part I agree with your point of view, why spoil what you have to communicate by starting out with “That As…..” it diminishes what you have to say.
The Bible should be the final authority.
Acts 17:10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue
Acts 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, “examining the Scriptures daily” to see if these things were so.
Kay says
Yes. Within each denomination are some who are faithful to God and some others. We do need each other.
Also for agnostics, atheists, secularists,
a vital thing to know about the true God is that He gives choice as free will. So choice is a closely held religious value. And we honor your free will.
This is only one of the vital distinctions with Muhammedism.
I put before you life and death, so choose life.
Jesus invites people to follow but recognized the choice: will you also leave me?
le mouron rouge says
Hi Kay,
Well said.
Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.le
Norwegian says
The world is so insane right now…like a surreal nightmare 🙁
I want to go back to the normal universe! Because this have to be one of those wrong parallells! Did some strange quantum phenonomen shift my mind to another reality the last ten yares? ???
Son of the West says
We’re all standing on the fantail of the Titanic about right now. This is what it looks like what civilizations commit suicide because they have become so “wise” that they lose the forest for the trees and forget even how to breathe. Any sane man would look at Islam and realize what it is, but our elites have become so convinced of their own wisdom that, to them, nothing they say or think can be wrong.
le mouron rouge says
Hi Son of the West,
Interesting analogy, the Titanic.
To illustrate how most people are totally unaware of the precarious situation the world is in and to highlight the False Teachers within Christianity, such as Joel Osteen, I used a picture of the Titanic sinking.
The picture shows the bow submerged with the stern high in the air, I then added a comment near the Stern, “Wow, doesn’t the Titanic’s Band sound great!”
Moments matter. Live them well.
Christianblood says
Norwegian posted
(..The world is so insane right now…like a surreal nightmare..)
Exactly! It is a darkness all over and NO one dares to speak the Truth!
Norwegian says
I dare to do so…
Regardless of my social and echonomic security. I will go on to the very end.
And there are forces in the northern darkness that Allah and Mohalmed wont stand against. And that force floats through my soul…
harbidoll says
or the heart of man is desperately wicked, who could know it.
Carolyne says
The heart just pumps blood. Some humans are evil, some not.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
Norwegian,
I echo your sentiments about a surreal world. I believe we are in the end times. Just prior to the return of Christ there will be a great apostasy. I believe that the betrayal of the faithful by Francis and most Cardinals is a clear manifestation of the apostasy. Jesus stated that the last days would be as the days of Noah just before the great flood — great sinning, violence, sacrifice of children, chaos.
I pray for Christ’s light to shine upon the great darkness we are experiencing.
African infidel says
I am praying for Christ to return and to destroy the anti-Christ which is islam and those who are supporting it, including this Pope and his unholy entourage!
le mouron rouge says
Hi Lion of Judah,
We have no one to blame other than ourselves.
What did Adam and Eve say to God when he sought after them in the Garden of Eden after they ate the forbidden fruit.
Paraphrase:
Eve, “The Serpent made me do it.”
Adam “The woman “you” gave me made me do it.”
Each refused to take responsibility for their actions and put the blame on someone else.
We all will stand before our creator, Our Lord and Savior Yeshua HaMashiach and we will have to give an accounting for our actions.
We stand or fall based entirely on our actions.
The Bible should be the final authority.
Acts 17:10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue
Acts 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, “examining the Scriptures daily” to see if these things were so.
total surrender says
Where exactly in the Bible does it say it is the final authority? If if is shouldn’t it say so.
Carolyne says
What in the world is that HaMashiack thing you keep referring to?
Mike says
Exactly how I feel. I remember Europe at the turn of the millennium, and earlier. What a totally different World it was. I can hardly believe it is the same life. I certainly never imagined I would find myself living in this bizarre world just 16 years later.
A world in which our own traitor politicians are deliberately flooding our civilized nations with 7th century barbarians, while giving them OUR tax money to live on. A world in which we must constantly listen to the lying filth on TV always repeating the nauseating bullshit mantra “religion of peace”. A world in which the majority of otherwise intelligent people actually believe this bullshit and cant be bothered to read the Koran and see the truth for themselves. A world in which we all now feel totally surrounded by islam, and many are afraid to walk their own streets. And a world in which even the Catholic Pope supports these savages.
It truly is like some terrible dream. And to think that at the turn of the millennium we were full of hope for the future. We thought we were entering a brave new era. One of progression, especially technologically. But sadly the filthy politicians had other plans. Instead of a brave new world, they want to return us literally to the dark ages.
VRWC member77 says
I despise this dhimmi coward pope more than I despise obama. I’m waiting….just waiting for this dhimmi punk pope to mention Trump’s name and how he’s giving Islam “a bad name.”
When that happens I will be openly telling people that not only are they immoral if they vote for clinton’s rapist enabling wife for president, they are DIRECTLY putting my life and the lives of my family members in danger by voting for this monster.
Katz says
And he accused Trump for not being Christian when Trump suggested a temporary ban on Muslims entering the US.
harbidoll says
He already said that, Trump building walls instead of bridges.
CrossWare says
Yeah and then Trump very correctly pointed out the walls surrounding the Vatican…
Carolyne says
He has already stuck his nose in the US election by criticizing Trump. He is a foolish man, indeed. Americans for the most part don’t care what he says and that is an example of his irrelevancy.
Kay says
I agree.
Not to start a new debate, but just by C’s views on abortion, the Pope should have advised all Catholics to vote for Trump.
Kay says
The Pope and many others are wrong thinking in advocating to focus on what we agree on without keeping the goal in mind.
It is as if the Mohammedens say they want to fix food but there must be poison added to it. And the Pope says, ‘Well I agree on the fixing food part so let’s go ahead.’
August West says
The motives that are driving church/charity officials/functionaries/Popes etc can be expanded from those given in the article.
Given in Article:
1) Some think they are doing so deliberately as part of a strategy to prevent further radicalization.
2) Some (myself included) think they are doing so out of sheer naïveté.
Expanded Set:
3)Objective for personal Nobel Prize and kudos from the media
4)They are getting funded and possibly being bribed to re-locate migrants
5)There may be some level of infiltration
Personally I think it is a combination of item 3 and 4.
1)Is unlikely because it assumes that Catholic leadership is poorly informed about the process of “radicalization” of within Islam. I think it is best to assume that they are informed, as these are educated
people with access to much information about current events and analytical capability.
2)Is unlikely because it assumes that Catholic leadership is just plain stupid which seems unlikely.
CrossWare says
I give you another one: Church goers number are dwindling. The Christian faiths are not strong enough to keep the people. Even ones who not becoming secular figures out they can have a meaningful spiritual relationship with God without a corrupt organized religion. However Islam keeps tight lid on their crowd. Leaving, criticizing Islam is punishable by death. The pope is just re-orienting his business to a new market. Of course at the end he will not be called a pope but lead mufti of the new United European Islamic states and happily cooperating with the globalists.
mortimer says
Pardon. Francis is a cultural Marxist.
Carolyne says
I vote for option 4. There’s money for the Catholic Church in it. The Catholic resettlement programs are raking in millions for helping the takeover by Islam by resettling Muslims. Three-fourths of the money which goes to the Vatican comes from US Catholics anyway.
Mark A says
I have to agree that the Catholic Church’s response to Islam is causing many of the faithful to lose confidence in Pope Francis.
I’m Catholic and I agree with Robert Spencer’s interpretation of Islamic teaching. I’ve read the Koran cover to cover and I know that it says what Robert Spencer says it says.
But when I have raised this issue in conversation with Catholic priests and lay leaders, I get the standard “religion of peace” line and am told that I misunderstand Islam. None of these people have ever tried to correct my “misunderstanding” through reasonable argument.
There are others in the Church who think as I do but we are definitely considered beyond the pale by many in the Church.
Nonetheless, our numbers are growing and we are finding it very difficult, if not impossible, to reconcile the statements of Pope Francis about Islam with the evidence we read in the Koran and see in the news.
For me, Pope Francis mushy statement about the Islamist murder of Father Jacques Hamel was the final straw. Father Hamel’s murder was a direct jihadi attack on the Church and yet Pope Francis could even bring himself to denounce it. My confidence in Pope Francis plummeted precipitously.
August West says
Per Orwell 1984 party slogans:
War = Peace
Ignorance = Strength
Slavery = Freedom
Islam = Peace is.just a minor variation on the first.
Those who say Islam is Peace are simply parroting back the party line.w.o thought or analysis.
Why do they do it? Either or money or peer pressure.
RonW says
Why do they do it? Personally I think it’s a combination of intellectual laziness and the approval-seeking of the schoolyard tattletale.
‘Look at me! I’m so virtuous! Am I a good boy?’
It’s simply easier to parrot the Party Line. And much less mentally draining.
dumbledoresarmy says
Pray, and *complain*: write polite letters.
Make sure that your priest, your bishop, your cardinal, are *told* exactly what you think.
And… re praying… if there are others who share your concerns, why not get a group together? Two, three, five, seven, however many there are. Hold regular novenas (and publicise them in some way, so other Catholics know what you are doing) and pray for Asia Bibi, Pakistani Catholic confessor, who is in prison and on death row in Pakistan. Make sure your clergy know *all* about her, and that you are holding prayer sessions for her and for other believers who are suffering at the hands of Muslims. Write to Pope Francis I – yes, he is a fool, but nevertheless, put him on the spot and write – and tell him you want him to do a papal tour to Pakistan to visit the suffering church there… and that he must, *publicly*, demand to be allowed to visit Asia Bibi in prison and bring her the Eucharist. (I honestly don’t know whether, in all the years she’s been locked up in prison, any priest has been permitted to visit her and give her the bread and the wine; I myself, when I receive communion in my Anglican church, usually – in my heart and soul – present Asia Bibi to the Lord and ask him, ‘If no-one is allowed to visit her to bring her the sacrament, please go to her yourself and feed her.”)
Remember Fr Jacques Hamel, modern martyr. His last words were, so we are told, “Va t’en, Satan!”, addressed directly to his jihadi murderers… or, perhaps, to the demonic entity that was ‘riding’ them, driving them, possessing them. I did a bit of research and it’s a phrase from the Gospels that is sometimes used in exorcisms.
So: make *his* prayer, *your* prayer. Hold on tight to Our Lord and claim the authority he gave to His followers, and tell the Evil One to ‘get thee gone!”
You might also like to remember the ‘Turkish bell’ that was instituted by a Pope Calixtus in the 15th century, after the Muslim sack of Constantinople. It was, in essence, an alarm bell that was rung at midday to summon the faithful to pray for the defeat of the Jihad. You can set a few moments aside at midday every day to pray for 1/ the defeat of the jihad 2/ the relief and deliverance of non-Muslims (whether Catholic or other Christians, or indeed any non-Muslims at all) oppressed and attacked by Muslims and 3/ last but not least, the *conversion of Muslims to Christ*.
Pray; politely pester both your clergy and politicians; keep on trying to ‘wake up’ your fellow parishioners and anybody else around you; and then pray some more, and do not give up.
WBSM says
I thought the midday bell had to do with the siege of Belgrade…
Lion of Judah's Cub says
Thank you for these ideas and call to action.
Carolyne says
I certainly do not mean to belittle you, but if your God knows of the predicament t these people for whom you pray are in, why is it necessary to beg him/her to save them? Wouldn’t a loving and merciful God do it anyway?
Kay says
Praying can do many things:
> remind one of God’s presence and greatness
> put one’s own heart in line with God’s purposes
> strengthen the one being prayed for (yes, in ways we don’t understand)
> move others’ hearts to action (God acts also through human beings.)
This is only a partial list, but hopefully it quiets any qualm you might have about God character.
ECAW says
With such definite claims, no doubt you can produce some evidence.
Gen Jones says
Agree that his statements on Fr Hamel were weak and disrespectful. But it started with the sheer nincompery of his post Charlie Hebdo statement that if you mock religion you can expect a punch. “Gesturing towards Alberto Gasparri, a Vatican official who organises pontifical trips and who was standing next to him on board the plane, he said: “If my good friend Dr Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch in the nose.”
Throwing a pretend punch, the Pope said: “It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”
Was this not a tailor made moment to quote the words of Jesus Christ, to turn the other cheek! He would have made a point to the world – this interview was widely broadcast – that showed the true way to react to provocation, the superiority of Christianity to Islam and the confidence even to the non religious that this is the better way. But no Francis felt it was more important to play the part of some sterotyped Italian goombah to what, get laughs? He’s just too parochial to see he has the world’s stage and could be fearless and impressive instead of on the way to dhimmihood.
Rosewood11 says
#NotMyPope–Put it on a t-shirt, and I’ll wear it…TO MASS!!!
“If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence.” Really? Who says so!?! Was that Pope Francis or obama at the Prayer Breakfast a year or so ago?
Let me be clear. I understand that as a Christian of any stripe, I am to love my enemies. That itself is a tall order when my enemy wants to kill me and all those I love in some of the most gruesome ways imaginable–if possible by their own hand. But Christ never said living a Christian life would be easy. However, when the leadership of my Church stands up and tells me something about my enemy that is obviously untrue, and which will, if implemented as policy/dogma–put my life in imminent danger, I have to ask whose side the Pope is on. Is he really a Christian leader, or is he part of a globalist coalition that seems to want to establish a caliphate, and subject the world to shari’a law. It gets to the point where Joe Sixpack has to ask himself who his friends are. Right now, for my money, it’s not Pope Francis.
This would be bad enough if it were the only area in which Pope Francis borders on heresy. His seeming embrace of parts of the homosexual agenda, and acceptance of sexual behavior, both hetero- and homosexual, that have always been considered “sin” up to now have caused people to question those teachings, as well. I am very uncomfortable with a man of his opinions determining what I must and must not believe, and as is stated in the article, are causing many people to leave the Church, or at least consider doing so. Yes, the sexual abuse scandal has caused many to leave, but that involved physical/moral sin. The pro-islamic rhetoric involves the actual teachings of the Church, from Jesus’ identity and salvific mission to the existence of the Trinity, and amounts to politically-correct brainwashing from the Papal throne. I’m offended by the first-mentioned scandal, but sin can be forgiven in the confessional, and its effects on the victims dealt with through counseling. But where do you go when dogma becomes bi-polar? And what do you do when the Pope embraces this duality to the point that a 86-year-old priest can be slaughtered AT THE ALTAR DURING MASS, and the Pope tells you the murderers are not really violent? I hate to say it, but Pope Francis is showing himself to be bankrupt, both theologically and in the defense of his flock. It’s time to look elsewhere.
Boston Tea Party says
Well stated. Jesus said we should love our enemies, and it’s a very difficult concept– but it also logically presupposes that Christians absolutely will HAVE enemies. But many modern Christians (including this Pope) seem to be saying, in essence, “No, Jesus was wrong. We really have no enemies, we only have misunderstandings.” That is a VERY different understanding of reality, and it’s not what Jesus taught.
eduardo odraude says
Following Christ, one clearly cannot rightly use war to spread Christianity. But someone who is Christian can use war to defend a person, people, or a legitimate state that is being attacked by aggressors.
It’s s one thing to “turn the other cheek” on one’s own behalf. But I don’t believe Christianity requires one to do nothing but preach even when one’s children, family or nation are under attack.
Jerry says
Instead of acting like a man with good moral courage Francis wants to excuse islamic violence with a pinch of guilt thrown in. He won’t condemn a violent cult that’s causing war and murder because Catholics aren’t perfect either! Well I can’t agree with that approach. At the very least he should stay true to his faith’s principles and condemn violence and bigotry, including islam’s. But nope, instead he wants to play the non-judgmental, eclectic thinker in the face of religious murder and terror. Neither the civilized world nor Catholics will benefit from his empty morality and feckless leadership. You’d think he’d consider the mass suffering Christians and others are experiencing for muslim’s bigotry and religious intolerance. He’s quick to excuse islam, but won’t condemn the murder of his flock because, gosh, he might look judgmental! The pope is no longer a leader to look up to for advice, spiritual or otherwise, not in my opinion. Any religious leader that won’t stand firmly against murder and intolerance lacks spiritual and moral wisdom where it really counts. He’s looking more like an evil Pied Piper leading humanity down islam’s dark tunnel of intellectual and moral slavery.
The pope can’t help us, neither can his leftist buddies that agree with his grovelling stance. We need more heroes like Spencer, Geller, Wilders, and Trump also. They have all thrown the light of reason on islam and exposed muslims’ evil intentions. These are true leaders who don’t equivocate or compromise with evil. They know what’s right and they stick with it. I want to be just like them.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
Is Francis the false prophet?
Jerry says
I don’t think so. He’s just a weak leader of an ignorant, outdated cult.
a fool says
He is a sinner like the rest of us!
a fool says
What qualifies someone to be an Idolator? When one vowed to serve God and loves Him above all else. But has somehow failed to live by that vow. Who is serving someone else’s ideals and put God’s Commandments aside is an Idolator! Jesus said: “My sheep know my voice!” Is the pope listening to the voice of Christ ~ The God -Man, Our Lord and Savor, or is he listening to his own Voice? “Do not feed the dogs what is holy and do not casting pearls upon swine, they shall turn around and trade over you!” The Enemy of Our Holy Mother the Church is beginning to trade over the Pope! He must learns to find Strength and Wisdom with which to deal with the Persecutor of The Catholic Faithfuls, not to put the Church down ~ Idolator always love others or the Self more than God! Our Church History is full of them!
will Rodgers says
This is the same Pope whi signed a treaty with the Palestinians, and helped the UN move nearly a million muslms in to rape and pillage europe. He is as evil and complicit with the jihadist as Pious X was with Hitler
Ecosse1314 says
His name was Pius. He was the xii of that name. He is not regarded by the jews as complicit.
Apart from those three points your last sentence was just fine. Well done.
Carolyne says
Whatever his name was, he was complicit in the murder of millions of Jews. Do you speak fore Jews?
Wellington says
No, Carolyne, Pius XII actually saved more Jews than any person in history——–about 800,000. Remember, when Pius died in 1958 he was lionized by the worldwide Jewish community.
The horrible revisionism of Pius began in 1963 with Hochhuth’s deceitful play, The Deputy, and went from there on into the 1990s with a book like Cornwell’s, Hitler’s Pope. Fortunately a revisionism of the revisionism began about 15 years ago and we know that Pius behind the scenes gave orders and took measures to save large numbers of Jews (e.g., instructing the Papal Nuncio to France, Angelo Roncalli, the future John XXIII, to issue fake baptismal certificates to Jewish children to pass them off as Catholics). Reconsider here lest you provide further proof of Napoleon’s cynical take on history, to wit, that it is a pack of lies agreed upon.
Ecosse1314 says
Read the posts below. I have to wonder who you speak for.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
Please stop slandering Pope Pius XII. Before he became Pope, he was one of the few leaders in Europe to criticize and condemn Hitler and his national socialist party. When Pope, he helped save hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives. He spent all of his estate monies to pay for and hide many Jewish families on his family home property. He gave up his papal estates to house people who were hiding on the Vatican property and he instructed all priests and religious orders to help hide and assist as many Jewish people as possible. You are helping to spread lies and propaganda devised by the communists in the 1950s who considered the Church their main enemy. You also forget that Catholic bishops, priests, religious and lay people were targeted by Naziis for death. Please learn your history and stop spreading lies.
Wellington says
Seconded, Lion of Judah’s Cub.
linnte says
Bottom line is, does the Pope have the discernment from the Holy Spirit? If he does, then he is not listening and obeying. If he doesn’t, then he has never had the in dwelling Spirit of God, and that makes him an impostor!!! Of course, it is NOT MY PLACE to judge because I have never met the man, but scripture does tell us to “test the spirits”. As a non Catholic, I would never become Catholic now, but I was considering it. I have not been led to a place of worship yet, and am feeling a bit lost ?
Juan Jose Rivera Diaz says
If you won’t become a catholic because a Pope said something stupid, you were never even considering becoming one.
The Catholic Faith, the True Faith is more than a bad Pope and a bunch of useless bishops. If you can´t see beyond that, you were just looking for a “feel good” church. Then, I would say, you don’t belong in the Catholic Church. Go to any other phony denomination.
Dom107 says
Better still become a scientific rational atheist.All religions are ignorant,childish,foolish and in 2016 well past their sell by date
Carolyne says
I would put it a !title more gently, but of course you are right.
Mark Swan says
When the Bible speaks of the Church, it is never speaking of a building—nor of a human organization incorporated under secular authority. The word in the Greek language that is translated “church” in English is ekklesia. It is derived from two root words in Greek and literally means “called out” or “called from.”
However, the “called out” aspect of ekklesia is fundamental to understanding the Church.
One of God’s final warnings to His people is a call to “come out” of Babylon (Revelation 18:4). The saints of God are not to participate in that corrupt, end-time culture’s sins, so they will not partake of the divine punishments that “Babylon” will receive.
Jesus made it plain that one cannot come to Him, and be part of His Church, without being called by the Father (John 6:44). Only those who respond to the Father’s call, through repentance and baptism, will receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), and it is only through the Holy Spirit of God that we become part of the Church that Jesus built (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:13).
What happened to the Church that Jesus Christ said He would build? Has there been a body of believers, down through the centuries, continuing to believe and practice the same doctrines Jesus Christ and the first-century Apostles taught?
Lion of Judah's Cub says
Dear linnte
I would urge you to reconsider becoming a Catholic. Unfortunately, we appear to have a false pope (who may be the false prophet) as the head of the Church. However, the true head of the Church is Jesus Christ. He placed his servants in charge until His second coming.
Francis is like the character Denethor in the third movie installment of Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King. Denethor rules Gondor as First Steward in place of the king until the absent king or his heir returns. Rather than fighting the invading orc army (ISIS etc.), in his derangement, Denethor orders that the gates of the City be opened to the orcs and places himself on a pyre and lights himself on fire.
When the good shepherd returns the bad shepherds will be punished.
The beauty and goodness of the Church is found in our Blessed Lady, the saints and the Holy Eucharist (and the other sacraments). There are many good and holy members of the Church and a handful of courageous and true leaders among the bishops and priests. The two thousand years of great intellectual and spiritual teachings should not be overshadowed by the bizarre and false teachings of the current anti-pope and his modernist cadre of yes men.
Jaladhi says
What garbage these leftist put out – doesn’t matter that he is the Pope, leader of catholic Christians and he is finding moral equivalence between Islam and Christianity. I guess Christian jihadis must be roaming the streets of Italy killing and raping just like the Muslims. well in that case he would be justified in equating the two but is it happening? NO!! So the Pope is simply a Muslim enabler – I don’t know why? Any guesses??
Mark Swan says
http://www.conservativeusa.net/UN100ways.htm
Carolyne says
Yes. I have an opinion of why the Pope has changed sides. The Catholic Church which once had the power of life and death and often used it, many times capriciously, no longer has any real power. If the Pope takes his followers to side with the Muslims, who he believes will be the ultimate winners, he might retain some power by being on the winning side. This, of course, is a daydream on his part.
I will fight such an outcome with everything I have. I will not go quietly.
Jerry says
I think you have it right.
Boston Tea Party says
When the Pope says that if he talks about Islamic violence, then he also has to talk about Catholic violence, I think he’s perfectly following the logic that his religion has established. And his religion is not Catholicism, but Multiculturalism. The ideological foundation of Multiculturalism is cultural relativism, the idea that all cultures and belief systems are essentially morally equal.
When you believe that, then it absolutely does make sense that it’s not fair to criticize one and not mention another, when each religion is equally capable of good and evil. And the result of this belief system is clear: absolute moral impotence. This is the exact same reason that Western feminists can’t speak out against misogyny in the Muslim world, it’s the same reason that Western gays can’t criticize Islamic treatment of homosexuals, and it’s the same reason Western artists and writers are loathe to criticize repression of art and speech in the Muslim world.
Multiculturalism tells them that all cultures are equally good—and believing in “everything” is essentially the same as believing in nothing.
The best explanation of this that I’ve ever heard is from the brilliant Mark Steyn:
Salome says
We have gone beyond the relativist multicultural equal goodness of cultures. Now we have to believe that all other cultures are better than ours.
robm says
hey, not all Popes are nuts, but this one is.
Champ says
#NotMyAntiPope
(and I’m not Catholic, just sayin’ …)
Rich says
Pope Francis is not merely “naive”. He is willfully blind to the truth about Islam.
خَليفة says
I swam once in the ocean and was a few feet away from a 2 meter shark. The shark didn’t bite me. But I don’t make a habit of swimming with sharks. When there is a change of situation, like having some blood in the water, making splashing, mating season, invading shark’s territory – THEN sharks become aggressive and become mindless killing machines.
Like Muslims – create the right circumstance and a peaceful Muslim becomes mindless killing jihadis.
Jesse says
Oh, the right circumstance…Like letting them into your country without requiring any kind of assimilation into it, while providing them with living quarters and food, food prepared halal for them btw, providing them with mosques, making sure their religious freedoms aren’t compromised with normal work and school schedules, and working hard to cover up their injustices on the people who took them in? Yeah, real shark making circumstances created there…how dare we…
Or maybe WE created the circumstance after retaliation for the 1000s of destroyed families wrought by 911 simply because having their own rules in there own country isn’t enough. Again, how dare we…
Mark Swan says
Yes, best to not keep them around to find out, right.
Max Publius says
This atheistic pope SHOULD talk about BOTH Catholic violence AND Islamic violence, but keep them each in proportion to the crimes and injustices that are committed in their respective names. In other words, about 100,000 jihad murderers following clear Koranic doctrine supported by the most high Islamic authorities, for every one Catholic murderer with a very dubious reading of the Bible supported by virtually no one else. .
Mark Swan says
He could use His position to do so much—yet He has managed to do more harm than good.
Wellington says
Francis is not just a fool but one who, it is becoming clearer and clearer, is an excuse maker for, and an enabler of, evil.
Mark Swan says
So far, So True.
common sense says
“When Catholics commit violence they do not do so in the name of their religion, but in violation of it.”
Yes I also would like for the Pope to speak on so called Catholic violence and the violence and oppression of Islam.
The logical outcome would expose the violation of human rights, bigotry and inequality that are rampant in the world of Islam under Mulsim rule. NOT jihadist violence just Islam in the middle east where a woman might be stoned for being raped and called an adulterer. He is so wrong on every level and we all know he sees what is happening in the ME.
citycat says
The Pope? Words fail me.
Religion of “Peace” ?
So i thought i’d check out how many times the word peace is in the Qur’an.
According to
“mathematical miracles in the Qur’an”
it is 13 along with the word
“trouble”
that is 13, along with other pairs,
and the site person seems to think that it is all a miraculous divine coincidence.
Yeah, course it is.
I’d say it looks likes the Qur’an is numerologically constructed rather than divinely transmitted.
It’s like they’re more into occult numbers than into holiness.
Like it’s more the occult number 72 than it is the virgins.
ECAW says
The word “peace” appears 49 times in the Koran and the word “trouble” 8 times, at least in the Shakir version, according to this search facility:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/
Robert Elliott says
As I posted on another article on this topic, to any thinking being the defence of Islam by Christians seems incomprehensible, but I have a theory that their motivation is inspired by a bizarre mentality of “us versus them”. By that I mean, in an increasingly non-religious world, with Christian church attendances in freefall, perversely they see anyone who is staunchly religious and practices a faith – ANY faith, including Islam – is somehow an ally in the fight to keep the world’s peoples religious and non-secular. The religious versus the non-religious.
But in doing so, they must be wilfully blind to some very unpalatable truths. The first is that Islam totally rejects Christianity in any form as a blasphemy, an abomination. There is only one God, Allah, and as he had no children Jesus WAS not divine, or the son of God. Muslims and Christians claim a common ground in that they both venerate Jesus – except that, in Islam, Jesus is actually called ISA, is human, and is a MUSLIM prophet, like Muhammad. Islam teaches that this “Isa” was NOT crucified, thus destroying one of the main cornerstones of Christianity.
But there is worse to come; both religions believe that Jesus/Isa will return to Earth at “the end of days”, but in Islam he will return not as the saviour of Christian mankind, but as a RADICAL MUSLIM who will “break crosses” – wipe out Christianity – and enforce Islam throughout the world as the only religion. When this is done, he will die and be buried next to Muhammad in Saudi Arabia.
Religious solidarity anyone?
Gen Jones says
Exactly.
Hank says
I do not even know where to start. I have not given to Catholic Charities in roughly three or more years because of this. I have to admit I feel really bad every year when the drive comes up but feel at this point my money is better spent on the local level. I have been a long time KofC but have to question my pledge and loyalty at this point. I want to be a loyal Knight and defend the church and the pope with my life if need be but feel the pope and the church have abandoned its defenders and members. I look at the middle east and how the church has been silent about the genocide yet defends the Muslim savages. This comes with great sadness to me as I have to question over sixty years of being catholic.
Jesse says
There are many things to question, my friend. But don’t throw away your Catholic religion because you don’t agree with the Pope. This is his opinion, not an article of faith. The articles of the Catholic faith are the same as they were when you signed up. They haven’t changed. I don’t agree with all of the Pope’s points of view and that is okay. They are his opinions. If they aren’t related with Church Dogma don’t lose your faith over his opinion. And don’t cease to give to Catholic charities altogether. If it makes you feel more at ease with what your money is being used for, you can always give to starving children in third world countries. And please don’t listen to Mac101. That IS NOT what revelation says. That is his interpretation. And not just his I will say but it is incorrect. There will be corruption IN THE CHURCH. That is not to say that THE CHURCH will be corrupted. Those are very different points. We have seen corruptions in the church throughout its history, but the Church is not and will not be corrupt. A very wise man said “Though art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT”. Even if you don’t agree with the pope, don’t leave Jesus for Judas’ sake.
Oceanside says
The Pope is no idiot. The Vatican is not without intelligence services. This is by design.
Just as the previous pope announced that the world was moving toward a global economy–and it needed a global moral guide (the Vatican) to handle world finance–so now the Vatican works to destroy nations and bring about the NWO, using Islam as a tool of destruction.
This is *precisely* what Daniel and Revelation describe: the attempt by geo-political powers–of which the Catholic Church is one–to establish a single worldwide “kingdom”.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/61/t/the-beast-who-will-worship-it
JS says
Pope Francis could have and should have condemned all violence, period. He didn’t have to drag the present day Catholic church into the same moral level as that of the muslim jihadists. What a disappointing statement coming from the mouth of the so-called vicar of Christ.
Ciudadano says
He has condemned terrorist violence many times. He even visited Armenia and called the Armenian Genocide by its proper name. However the Pope saying “Islam is evil” or “Islam is violent” is not going to happen. Probably that wouldn’t be a good strategy and really bad diplomatic.
Ciudadano says
I’m going to play the devil’s advocate.
We have a friend who used to be very catholic but converted to Islam. She was married to a (catholic) man who use to beat her. Obviously the guy was not a good christian. She divorced and several years later married a Muslim guy and converted to Islam.
What are we supposed to do? a) stop talking to her, b) tell her Mohamed is false prophet and Islam is a evil religion from hell or c) continue being friends and hope she reverts to Christianity
We chose c). Our friendship is an open door for her returning to Catholicism. Even as much as I reject Mohamed and Islam, I’m not going to tell her something to offend her religion, even if it is true. I think a better tactic is to remember her, with my words and example, the things she is missing from Christianity.
That personal experience helps me to understand the position of the Church. The end game of the church is to convert Muslims to Christianity. Continuing confrontational tactics is not going to help to achieve that goal.
There are several possibilities for relations between Muslims and Catholic church:
a) Catholic church verbally attacks Islam. Rather than more conversions to Christianity, this certainly will result in more retaliation from Islamic authorities. This is the perfect excuse fanatic muftis and imams want to justify oppressing and preaching hate towards Christians.
b) Not talk to each other. Segregate. Keep hating each other for many more centuries. This will not produce any improvement to current situation.
c) Be diplomatic and try to get along. Strive for peaceful relations. This tactic will give a chance to dialogue and it can remove the excuses and misconceptions that radical Muslims authorities use to bad-mouth Christians.
So when the Pope says “Islam is a religion of peace” my understanding is that it is a challenge directed to Muslims. For Christians it is kind of irrelevant. If “Islam is a religion of peace” and Islam authorities accept it, then Muslims have to live up to that motto. Muslims have to demonstrate with their actions that Islam is really a religion of peace, no more excuses. So “Islam is a religion of peace” could be a useful tool for Christians, even if it is not true.
The conversion goal also explains the position of the church regarding immigration. Currently it is dangerous for a missionary to go to places like Siria, Afganisthan, etc. to evangelize. If the mountain will not come to Mahomet, Mahomet must go to the mountain, so to speak. It has being reported that many Muslims immigrants are converting to Christianity.
My guess is that this strategy of “positive pressure” will force Islamic countries to show more openness. Muslims are already noticing that countries like Saudi Arabia, the cradle of Islam, are doing nothing for their coreligionists refugees. This will generate pressure on Islamic countries to show some self confidence in their Islamic faith and allow other religions to be practiced openly.
Western democracies have a bigger political responsibility than the Church. Only Western democracies have to muscle to have Islamic countries to sign and uphold UN Human Rights Declaration which establishes freedom of conscience and religion. The day that Islamic Countries are bound to guarantee those freedoms, the religion field will be even, and missionaries will be able to safely evangelize the Islamic world and it will quickly convert to Christianity. What can not be allowed is that Islamic Countries continue to enjoy all the benefits from western countries and at the same time reject the UN Human Rights.
dumbledoresarmy says
I assume you are praying for your friend.
I would recommend you read Rosemary Sookhdeo, “Stepping into the Shadows: Why Western Women Convert to Islam”.
There is a section at the back with good advice for people whose friends or family members have become Muslims and/ or married Muslims.
I think you *should* ask her – politely, discreetly, gently, but you *must* do it, as opportunity arises – about the apostasy law of Islam (Patrick Sookhdeo, ex-Muslim, has written an excellent book about it – “Freedom to Believe: Challenging Islam’s Apostasy Law”). Does she *know* – is she fully aware, and is she okay with this fact – that if, sometime down the track, she *did* decide she wanted to leave Islam, she *could be killed*??
And… does she have children, born before her marriage to the Muslim and conversion to Islam? Is she raising those kids as Muslims? How old are they? Is she aware that if she had kids *before* she converted, those poor kids might well be classified retrospectively as Muslims, and subjected to the apostasy law also – whether they want to be Muslims or not?
At some point you must raise with her – if she has children, whether from the previous marriage or the current marriage – whether *she* would be prepared to kill her own children, or allow or encourage another Muslim to kill them, should those children, in their teens or as adults, decide they wanted to leave Islam, whether for Christianity or some other faith or for atheism. When you ask her that hard question (only assuming that she has kids or intends having kids), **watch her eyes**.
And… watch her. Because converts to Islam do sometimes Go Jihad even more violently than ‘cradle Muslims’. Don’t forget the Englishwoman and convert to Islam, Samantha Lewthwaite, who is now running around with Al Shabaab in Somalia and probably had a hand in organising the mass-murderous jihad raid on the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya. Don’t forget the western-born convert-to-Islam wife of one of the Boston Bombers. Watch your friend and – I am going to be blunt – if you see her doing or saying anything at all …*odd*… ring up the relevant authorities. Better safe than sorry.
Ciudadano says
Thanks for the advice. Actually we meet her rarely since she moved to USA.
Champ says
Ciudadano wrote:
My guess is that this strategy of “positive pressure” will force Islamic countries to show more openness. Muslims are already noticing that countries like Saudi Arabia, the cradle of Islam, are doing nothing for their coreligionists refugees. This will generate pressure on Islamic countries to show some self confidence in their Islamic faith and allow other religions to be practiced openly.
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Your comment is *profoundly* naive …
“An Ex-Muslim’s Warning”
by Abdul Rahman
To the Infidel world:
I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breath with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. Following are the Islamic message to the West.
To the infidels of the West:
Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction.
We will fight the infidel to death.
Meanwhile American laws will protect us.
Democrats and Leftist will support us.
UN will legitimize us.
CAIR will incubate us.
ACLU will empower us.
Western Universities will educate us.
Mosques will shelter us
OPEC will finance us
Hollywood will love us.
Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists.
Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children’s educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools.
We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad.
We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country’s interest than US interest.
More here: https://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/an-ex-muslims-warning/
Ciudadano says
I don’t think most Muslims are part of a Machiavellic plan to conquer the west. Most Muslims in the world live in their Islamic bubble just concerned with surviving another day. All they know about Christianity are the misconceptions and falsehoods their fanatic imams and muftis tell them to believe. Islam is imposed onto them and other religions are persecuted.
However many Muslims in Islamic countries convert to Christianity and practice their new faith in secret, at the risk of their own lives (http://tinyurl.com/h3htnnj). The day Christianity can be freely preached and practiced in Islamic countries, without fear of being punished or killed, that day, Muslims will start converting in troves.
NJRob says
Ciudadano ,
you are thinking of things from a “PC”, Western perspective. Islam and the middle east doesn’t respond to pressure where they aren’t punished for doing the wrong thing. Morality is meaningless to them when it doesn’t come with strength. There is no such thing as shame.
Islam is not Christianity. They do not follow God. They are allowed to lie to nonbelievers of their faith. They are allowed to cheat and abuse nonbelievers of their faith.
They will never respond positively to anything they consider weakness. They will not respect other faiths until they are shown their own is inferior. Just like we did to Japan to show them their Emperor was not a God, we will need to do to Islam.
Ciudadano says
The only way to show them their faith is inferior is to show them that our faith is superior. Bombing them is not going to achieve that rather the other way around. What is needed is:
1) Military/police/intelligence: eradicate religious violence (Islamic mobs), Islamic guerrillas and terrorists.
2) Political/Diplomatic/Ideological: press Islamic countries to embrace democracy, human rights and freedoms. No more confessional governments, no more collusion of religion and government. Isolate, ban and prosecute fundamentalists Islamic sects like whabbims, salafism, etc. Media should denounce permanently abuses against human rights in Islamic countries. This will require cold war tactics.
3) Religious: evangelize Islamic countries. Right now this is very difficult without 1 and 2.
The critical point is number 2. Right now western countries (owned by big corporations and transnationals) are more concerned with selling stuff to Islamic countries and cheap labor, than bringing democracy and human rights to those countries.
How come USA considers Saudi Arabia, the country where government can kill you for carrying a Bible, an ally?
How come USA government gave Iran, the biggest transgressor of human rights and greatest sponsor of terrorists, billions of dollars in cash?
To achieve number two we need in the west a new generation of politicians like Churchill, Thatcher, Reagan. We are very far from that.
ECAW says
“a) Catholic church verbally attacks Islam. Rather than more conversions to Christianity, this certainly will result in more retaliation from Islamic authorities. This is the perfect excuse fanatic muftis and imams want to justify oppressing and preaching hate towards Christians.”
Aren’t Catholics expected to tell the truth even uncomfortable ones? Is pointing out the immoral character of Mohammed (and that your friend cannot now leave Islam without risking death) verbal attack?
“b) Not talk to each other. Segregate. Keep hating each other for many more centuries. This will not produce any improvement to current situation.”
You can both segregate and talk. I can talk to my low life neighbour, and even encourage him to drop some of his nastier ways without inviting him and his family into my house, feeding him, putting up with his kids raping or murdering my kids every now and then, and including him in my will.
“c) Be diplomatic and try to get along. Strive for peaceful relations. This tactic will give a chance to dialogue and it can remove the excuses and misconceptions that radical Muslims authorities use to bad-mouth Christians.”
Unfortunately they are not misconceptions are they?
Ciudadano says
“Aren’t Catholics expected to tell the truth even uncomfortable ones? Is pointing out the immoral character of Mohammed (and that your friend cannot now leave Islam without risking death) verbal attack?”
Yes, we are, but there are many ways to tell the truth. I think it is a better tactic to tell a Muslim the truth about Jesus Christ and his message rather than lecture him about all of the Mohamed’s defects. The latter one he will find out by himself.
“Unfortunately they are not misconceptions are they?”
Of course they are. For instance Muslims don’t believe Jesus Christ was crucified. That is a historical fact that even secular historians believe. The moment you convince a Muslim about that fact, he can realize by himself that the Quran is wrong. The problem is that the right message is not being delivered to the Muslims because all of the restrictions and violence against Christianity in Islamic countries.
TH says
Here William Kilpatrick, who has some excellent articles on the matter of Catholics and Islam, agree with Robert Spencer http://www.crisismagazine.com/2016/must-catholics-believe-islam-peaceful
Dr, Gonzalo de Porras y Rodriguez says
Desde la llegada de S.S. Francisco I, en materias que no son de Fé esta introduciendo una serie de ideas erroneas que están llevado a muchos católicos a la confusión. Si añadimos a esto cada vez que cualquier eclesiastico le pregunta sobre temas que estan ya sentenciados por la Doctrina Católica, como la admisión de divorciados culpables y vueltos a casar a los sacramentos, la posible ordenación de Diaconisas, sus peregrinas ideas acerca del Islam, el problema de los Homosexuales etc están sumiendo a muchos católicos en una confusión y una angustia que solo puede desembocar en un cisma. Mejor sería que siguiese los pasos de S.S. Benedicto XVI y abdicase y se marchase a descansar
Lion of Judah's Cub says
I agree. Pope Francis should retire.
Charli Main says
@ Champ-GI- M10 and any other JW folk that may be interested.
I believe that the ” Secret Vatican Briefings on the Creation of Prophet Mohammed” is worth reading.
The document posits that Islam was created by the Vatican as a means to destroy Orthodox Christian Byzantine power and seize control of Jerusalem.for Rome. The Vatican trained and financed Muslim armies to attack and drive the Byzantines out of the Middle East.
Of course, the Vatican plan backfired when the Muslims realised that they were an unstoppable force and told the Vatican to get stuffed.
Fact or fantasy????? well, thats for the reader to decide for themselves.
dumbledoresarmy says
Nonsense.
Absolute nonsense.
Charli Main says
You are, of course, expressing your PERSONAL OPINION, unless you have evidence to the contrary.
Lion of Judah's Cub says
You are expressing a false slander against the Church.
Ballantine1979 says
LOL — The only place I’ve heard that “theory” is from Muslims and Leftists. Which one is Charli Main?
a fool says
Pure crap!
Charli Main says
You appear to be incapable of reading comments the way they are written.
My post was to draw attention to a document that exists, that may be of interest to those who are interested in the struggle that existed between the catholic and Byzantine church at the time.
I made no statements, claims or expressed any opinions. In fact, if you weren’t so ignorant, you would have seen that I left it up to the reader to decide if it was fact or fantasy.
Seth says
This Papa really is a malignant buffoon. Put a red nose and greasepaint on him to complete his transition to Bozo the Clown.
duh swami says
The C Church has its own history of extreme violence…It is every bit as corrupt as Islam…
mortimer says
Hey, swami,
The RCC was obviously controlled by Europe’s ruling houses which placed their family members into church positions of rank and authority. Undeniable. Also undeniable, the RCC had many extraordinary saints and good, fine laity. Their fine qualities came from practicing Christianity’s Golden Rule.
There were many examples of benevolence in Islamic history. Such Muslims behaved well by ignoring Islamic ethics and practicing the Golden Rule of Christianity. In both cases, the ethics of Christianity are what we admire…even Muslims.
Jesse says
Let’s put this in perspective here folks. Would the Pope, who is most definitely a well informed individual, say something so stupid with no way of defending or justifying his statements? No, he would not, so lets look at what his thought process is. I will say though, that I DO NOT follow this same line of thinking, I just think it is important to understand what in my opinion he is thinking.
There are a great many verses in the quran, as everyone knows, calling for and condoning violence on us infidels. HOWEVER, you could take some verses from the old testament and say, “the Bible says to leave not a woman or child, and in this way to destroy all of the evil in the land”. Most moderate muslims understand that violence is not just and although their “holy” book contains certain verses calling for violence, they do not hold it as an article of faith, much like the Catholic (which I am).
Next, when he refers to Catholic violence, surely he is speaking to violence of many centuries past. HOWEVER, when there was any unjustified Catholic violence, (such as the Spanish inquisition) the Vatican was quick to excommunicate those so-called Spanish Catholics and denounce the violence inflicted. Here though, clearly that isn’t happening.
Finally, I think to welcome potential terrorist so freely into countries while at the same time denouncing the right for anyone to bear arms, even going as far to suggest that it is hypocritical to buy or own a gun because it supports gun manufacturers, is a recipe for a tragic end. It’s a hard sell to convince me that I should not only allow my safety to be compromised by allowing these people into our towns and schools and workplaces and anywhere else, and then to watch them rape our women and kill our people, and then to try to convince me that it is a morally conflict to support gun manufacturers by purchasing a firearm! So what lets put ourselves in dangerous circumstances, and at the same time remove our ability to protect ourselves and our family? I just can’t even understand any of that nonsense.
And one last point that is totally unrelated but just pisses me off. I didn’t ever notice it until just now. I’m using Windows 10. Can someone please tell me why when I write the words muslim or quran my stupid spellcheck wants to underline it in red to tell me that these words should be capitalized, but when I write Bible or Catholic spellcheck couldn’t care less? Oh that just pisses me off. And I bet if Christian wasn’t a common first name, spellcheck would be happy as a lark to leave it lower case!
ECAW says
“when he refers to Catholic violence, surely he is speaking to violence of many centuries past”
No, he made it clear that he meant only violence commited by Catholics today with no religious element involved. He cited murders by Catholics of their wives.
Mike Elmore says
It’s money and greed. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops takes in over 90 million through the Refugee Resettlement Program. Now that Obama wants 200,000 refugees and has doubled the money in the last 3 years for the program to over 2 billion dollars, what do you expect. It funds the Bishop’s lifestyle because revenues are down. They never recovered from the sex scandal and now made a deal with the devil that will end up dooming all of us. I am not particularly religious but it makes a good case that maybe we are in the end times and I should reevaluate my position.
mortimer says
Dear Pope Francis,
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses are: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008
Dum Spiro says
The following is interestingly and serendipitously ironic. Check out the Mass readings (especially the first one, Ezekiel 34:1-11) for today (August 17, 2016): http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings/ What do you think the Chief Shepherd (see 1 Peter 5:4) is saying? Maybe something like this: “He who has ears, let him hear.” (See: Matthew 13:9; Mark 4:9,23; Luke 8:8; Revelation 2:29, 13:9)
… but isn’t the subject actually i
Islam? That reasoning is like saying: I know people who have driven drunk, but none ever crashed or hurt anyone. Therefore, drunk driving is safe. Or I have friends who smoke, but none has cancer. Therefore, smoking is healthy or at least safe. Or I have friends and family who are overweight. They’re nice people and none of them has heart problems or diabetes. Therefore, being overweight doesn’t and can’t cause heart problems or diabetes.
We must all continue to study, think critically, live in reality, and vote accordingly…
— Spero
melancholy observer says
oh, if the modern catholic church could only be half as firm against Islam as it has been against Protestantism. In the 1950’s the Church was tridentine and militant. Francis has made it a church of appeasement. It’s all so sad!
Walter Sieruk says
The pope needs to have a reality check. For all those Islamic terror attacks around the world are ,indeed, Islamic. That is those murderous jihad attacks are ,very much based on religion. The religion of Islam For Islam’s “holy book” the Qur ‘an [the Koran] instructs on the uses of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As found in ,for example 2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. Furthermore, it may be illustrated that if Islam is represented as a tree then the fruits then the fruits of that tree are the many brutal, violent and deadly jihad terror entities. Such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, al Shabaab , Hamas, Hezbollah, P.I.J. etc. With this statement, the Wisdom of the teachings of Jesus may, very much, apply to this subject. For Jesus taught “Ye do know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” After saying this Jesus told them what He told them when He said “By their fruit ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:16, 17, 18,.20. [K.J.V.] In conclusion, Islam is a corrupt tree and also a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13,20.
mortimer says
Reality check? Yes.
Pope Francis conflates the ordinary Muslim with the offensive DOCTRINES of Islam. Most ordinary Muslims are DISOBEDIENT Muslims who are not fully practicing those OBLIGATORY, offensive doctrines.
Most Muslims are not practicing one tenth of their faith. Francis doesn’t know what those offensive doctrines are. I will list a few: 1) Al Walaa wal Baraa (Islamic apartheid) 2) Jihad-warfare against disbelievers 3) Islamic misogyny 4) Islamic terrorism 5) Dhimmitude.
Perhaps someone close to the pope can inform him of some of the ‘offensive’ doctrines of Islam…if he will listen to anyone.
Cecilia Ellis says
Mortimer wrote: “Perhaps someone close to the pope can inform him of some of the ‘offensive’ doctrines of Islam…if he will listen to anyone.”
Mort, I suspect that anyone close to him is one who, for whatever reason(s), agrees with him. Additionally, I suspect that he will listen to no one. It appears to me that he suffers from the incurable, highly communicable, ecclesiastical disease of Magesterial Hubris.
Lioness says
Has anyone probed the possibility that the Pope is getting paid by the Saudis, just like Hillary? And why not? No one is above suspicion when it comes to billions. It is almost unfathomable that he is THAT stupid! What Catholic vilolence is he comparing to islamic jihad? Or maybe he is just protecting his own neck. Lots of “refugees” in Italy would be more than happy to strike at the neck of the highest of “non-believers”.
le mouron rouge says
Lioness,
We are witnessing Bible Prophecy unfolding before us in an unprecedented manner. As Christians we know the end of the story as revealed in the book of Revelation.
A short list of some of todays more reliable Bible Prophecy teachers (see list below) are unified in their assessment that Bible Prophecy is unfolding so fast that they can’t keep up with it.
Dr. David Reagan – http://christinprophecy.org/
Mark Hitchcock,- http://marklhitchcock.com/
Ron Rhodes – http://ronrhodes.org/
Dr. Jimmy DeYoung, – http://www.prophecytoday.com/
Jan Markell – http://www.olivetreeviews.org/
John Haller – Check him out on You Tube
J.D. Farag – Check him out on You Tube
In answer to your comment that people like Pope Francis can’t be that stupid, I think the answer is, “No they aren’t.” just as Obama is not stupid.
These people are commonly called, “useful idiots” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
They are fulfilling God’s plan, we the people get the kind of leadership that we deserve.
God raises up Kings and Nations and He takes them down.
Daniel 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: (KJV)
The Vilest of Creatures says
This guy Francis is going to trigger a 2nd Reformation.
Norman A. Bailey says
Pope Francis has been a disappointment in various ways, but what is truly unforgivable is his total abandonment of the Christians of the Middle East who are simply being wiped out. Instead of silence he should be leading a Crusade to rescue them and provide them with a refuge and all forms of assistance to remake their lives in a safe place. Is it because most of them are Christian but not Catholic? I hesitate to believe that, and even if it true, it is no less despicable.
Donald DaCosta says
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43369.God_Is_Not_Great
Goddess says
Men who wear dresses are FUCKED UP. It’s that SIMPLE.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: “Some (myself included) think they are doing so out of sheer naïveté.”
… and your usual “I am against islam, but individual muslims are A-OK with me!” tropes – ROBERT: QUIT FIBBING IN ORDER TO HOLD THE MORAL HIGH GROUND!
This Pope is LYING – his predecessor (an avowed “iaslamic scholar”) is still alive and available to advise Francis, if he accepts ithe advice).
And without “muslims” there could be no “islam” – the only people who could ever be “good muslims”would be non, EX-muslims; as long as they still self-identify as members of the ancient global crime-gang, and until they honestly leave it, they should be seen as representing the inherent violent death-threat to all the non-members of their gang that the extortion-gang called “islam” itself truly presents.
vlparker says
The Pope is first and foremost a radical leftist ideologue. And all leftist ideologues have to defend islam to the very end, because not to do so exposes the fact that for their entire lives they were living a lie. The multi-culti all cultures are equal bull-loney is what they have staked their entire lives and careers on. To admit they were wrong is something they will never do. They would rather see millions die.
Ali Bey says
Crisis of Faith, boon of Enlightement. Nullos deos, inane coelum. Dum negat…beatum.
abad says
Pope Francis is a Fraud.
He is not a Christian, he refuses to put Christ above Islam, he is more concerned about Muslims than Christians – this is NOT a good sign for the Roman Catholic Church at all.
steve says
“I think they are doing this out of a false and misguided understanding of Christian charity that is so welcoming to “the stranger” that it won’t stop welcoming him even at the point of civilizational suicide. “-from the article, Robert Spencer.
I keep coming back to that sentence because I believe it contains a profound and quintessential truth, for those who have “eyes to see and ears to hear”.
Evidently the SBC thinks it is a good idea to turn America into a Jihadist breeding ground as well:
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/482362969/southern-baptist-convention-urges-churches-to-welcome-refugees
These people are sick.
steve says
In other words they have “weaponized” charity and are turning it against their own people.
It is a satanic deception.
They have no right to foist their twisted interpretation of Christian charity on the rest of society, to the detriment of the culture and even to the extent of forcing martyrdom on others in the pursuit of their ideals.
Hosea 4:6King James Version (KJV)
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
steve says
Here we go:
1. Russell Moore
Perhaps no evangelical leader has been more outspoken in opposition to Trump than Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. In a single weekend last month, Moore penned an op-ed in The New York Times and made an appearance on “Face the Nation,” in which he called Trump’s campaign “reality television moral sewage.”
Trump’s retort on Twitter called Moore “a terrible representative of Evangelicals and all of the good they stand for. A nasty guy with no heart!”
Moore has since changed the bio on his Twitter profile to reflect the jab: “terrible representative of evangelical Christianity, due to nastiness.”
http://religionnews.com/2016/06/21/7-conservative-christians-who-are-not-supporting-trump/
“Christians obsessed with ostentatious shows of religiosity in public life have basically the same disease as liberals who go around being offended all the time. It’s all posturing. Trump’s a Christian. This is a Christian country. How about helping keep it that way? “-Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-10-28.html
le mouron rouge says
Steve,
We live in very troubling times.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (KJV)
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (KJV)
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (KJV)
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (KJV)
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.(KJV)
Peter says
Someone should send that moron this list … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
Henry says
There are people in and outside the Catholic Church who would like to change the teaching on the sanctity of life and the permanence of marriage as only between one man and one woman. These statements and the heresy being put forth by the hierarchy and others may be on purpose They want to turn off the faith of the laity so that they can take over the Catholic Church and stop its opposition to abortion and same sex “marriage”. .