The Pope is once again ignoring a simple distinction: while people of all faiths and backgrounds commit acts of violence, Islam is unique among world religions in having a developed doctrine, theology and legal system mandating warfare against unbelievers. Unless and until that is confronted, Muslims will continue to commit acts of violence against non-Muslims, including Christians. The Pope is betraying the Christians of the Middle East and the world, and all the victims of jihad violence, by repeating palpable falsehoods about the motivating ideology of attacks upon them, instead of confronting that ideology and calling upon Muslims to renounce and reform Islam’s doctrines of violence.
“The pope said that when he reads the newspaper, he reads about an Italian who kills his fiancé or his mother in law. ‘They are baptized Catholics. They are violent Catholics.'” Does Catholicism teach the murder of fiancés or mothers in law? No. Does Islam teach jihad warfare against unbelievers? Yes.
“The pope said that in every religion there are violent people, ‘a small group of fundamentalists,’ including in Catholicism.” There have been 28,923 violent jihad terror attacks worldwide since 9/11. How many violent attacks have there been in that span by violent Catholic “fundamentalists” doing violence in the name of Catholicism?

“Pope Francis denies that Islam is violent,” by Inés San Martín, Crux, July 31, 2016 (thanks to Matt):
ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE – Pope Francis on Sunday defended his avoidance of the term “Islamic violence” by suggesting the potential for violence lies in every religion, including Catholicism.
“I don’t like to talk about Islamic violence, because every day, when I read the newspaper, I see violence,” Francis said, when asked about why he never speaks of Islamic terrorism or fundamentalism when condemning attacks such as the murder of a French priest last week, who had his throat slit by an Islamic terrorist as he was celebrating Mass.
The pope said that when he reads the newspaper, he reads about an Italian who kills his fiancé or his mother in law.
“They are baptized Catholics. They are violent Catholics,” Francis said, adding that if he speaks of “Islamic violence,” then he has to speak of “Catholic violence” too.
The pope made his remarks in a wide-ranging news conference with journalists travelling with him back to Rome after a five-day visit to Poland in which Francis presided over World Youth Day, a gathering of Catholic youth from all around the world in Krakow, Poland.
The pope said that in every religion there are violent people, “a small group of fundamentalists,” including in Catholicism.
“When fundamentalism goes as far as murdering … you can murder with your tongue and also with the knife,” he said.
“I believe that it’s not fair to identify Islam with violence. It’s not fair and it’s not true,” he continued, adding that he’s had a long conversation with the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, the Cairo-based Islamic university often described as the Vatican of the Sunni world.
“I know how they think. They look for peace, encounter,” he said.
Francis added that in the case of European youth, many have been left “with no ideals, no work, that end in the hands of drugs and alcohol, and then go over there [didn’t specify] and enlist.”
He did acknowledge that ISIS is an “Islamic state that presents itself as violent.”
“It’s a fundamentalist group that calls itself ISIS, but it can’t be said, it’s not true, and it’s not fair, that Islam is terrorist,” Francis said.
Although clarifying that he didn’t know if he should say it because “it’s dangerous,” the pope then admitted that terrorism grows when “there’s no other option.”
“As long as the god of money is at the center of the global economy and not the human person, man and woman, this is the first terrorism,” he said, defining it as a “terrorism at the bases,” against the whole of humanity….
Rev g says
Yes, Catholics are running amok acting violently and screaming “Deus vult” as a show of their religiosity connected to their actions. Don’t forget the Gospels proclaiming that they should be doing such evils.
It is just under-reported by the press.
Or not…..
Don McKellar says
Is this the worst Pope of all time? I am an atheist and even I have sympathy for Catholics over this joke of a religious leader they have. He is completely debasing and undermining all the very foundations of your religious beliefs and turning a blind eye to all facts and all of history. It is easy to believe in the infamous premonitions of the last Pope or the “false Pope”. He fits this exactly.
AnneCrockett says
” Is this the worst Pope of all time? ”
Yes. Heck, I’d take the Borgias right now .
Christianblood says
Don McKellar posted
(..Is this the worst Pope of all time?..)
He definitely is. Look: over hundred thousand Christians are being murdered by muslims around the globe each year and yet the Pope and most Catholic leaders are siding and supporting the islamic perpetrators of this religious genocide and are refusing to offer any help to the persecuted Christians around the globe. The West as well as the Pope and other Western churches and “leaders” are all favoring islam and muslims while they are hating Christ and those who follow Him. They are all traitors who deserve the WRATH of God!
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/02/vatican-spokesman-claims-100000-christians-killed-annually-because-faith.html
t. says
I 100% agree with you Christianblood! Actually, because of many Christian hypocrites, cowards and those of them that love, respect and support their enemies while they despise and ignore their own, the multitudes of Christians persecuted by Muslims, around the world, I changed my relationship with the church, revisited many beliefs I had had since my childhood and overhauled my belief system about life’s complexities, in general.
Christianblood says
t. posted
(..I 100% agree with you Christianblood! Actually, because of many Christian hypocrites, cowards and those of them that love, respect and support their enemies while they despise and ignore their own, the multitudes of Christians persecuted by Muslims, around the world, I changed my relationship with the church, revisited many beliefs I had had since my childhood and overhauled my belief system about life’s complexities, in general..)
Dear t. I can see in your great comment that you are an independent and an intelligent person who is not ruled by church dogma or denominational politics but by reason and observation and I would encourage to walk on your good path of reformation
and knowledge and please remember to share what you have learned on others who are still in the dark. May God bless you and keep you safe! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7CGB-X9btk
Dom107 says
I should not be surprised by this pompous,pious piffel. After all this religious asks you to believe in virgin births,miracles risings from the dead,ascents into heaven,transubstantiation,and the infallibility of the pope.This is the religious which has authorized the inquisitions against non-believers involving torture and burnings at the stake.This is the religion which imprisoned the early science pioneers like Gallileo and Copernicus and still opposes many ground breaking and life enhancing medical techniques.Like all religion it has preconceived notions of the nature of life in the Universe and only accepts the discoveries of science when it fits with these unsubstantiated notions.
This is the religion which claims to believe in loving thy enemy but which told the King of France to start the Crusades to win back the “Holy” land for the “Christian ” church.This is the Church which teamed up with the Romans,the Spanish,the Portuguese to conquer and enslave millions and was silent when the Germans murdered millions of Jews,Gypsies,Homosexuals and others totalling over 40 million in the lifetime of many still alive today.Atheists today have seen through all this two faced crap.This is the Church that contained and still contains many thousands of paedophile priests and swept much of their activities it under the carpet.I remember myself being taught that anything which might embarrass the Church should not be brought to the attention of the civil authorities as the Church itself was the supreme authority over all governments and we have seen the worldwide result ! The man Jesus they purport to believe in said it would be better if the perpetrators (which includes Mohammed) of child abuse were to have a millstone tied around their neck and they be caste into the sea which sounds very appropriate to me.
The Poles (that most Catholic of countries) prefer the advice of their government on this the big issue of today which limits any further Islamic immigration into their country
As for this Pope.Well every time he opens his mouth foolish and contradictory words spill out but he is only the latest in a long line of dubious characters including the married Pope Alexander 6 with his notorious children(the Borgias)
Catholics don’t need Popes Priests and all the other trappings of feudal nonsense and I suspect many see him now as a celebrity figure irrelevant to the realities of this world.
Perhaps he sees now that the extreme violence embedded in the actual teachings in the Qu’ran will awaken the world to the folly and falsehoods of all religions and the rise of scientific and rational atheism.
Rev g says
Yes, the rational atheism of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc….
PRCS says
They committed their atrocities in the name of atheism?
Rev g says
Eradication of religion was part of their platforms, so yes.
PRCS says
“part of their platform” is key.
Rev g says
Yes, it means for THAT reason as well as others. So again, the answer is resoundingly YES.
PRCS says
Nice try, Rev. No cigar.
The “eradication” of religion by those folks was for a specific purpose and involved visible signs/demonstrations of religion.
Even they knew the beliefs could not be eliminated from living human beings’ minds.
Rev g says
Your words support my assertion you silly man. Thanks.
And I din’t smoke.
Pong says
Rev g,
“Rational atheism!?”
It was anything, but rationa.
Communists intolerance of all religions based in communism being a religion itself. It has all attributes of a religion (catholic in particular) such as Marx – god, Linin, Stalin, Mao – the profets, festivals, Capital – the holly book, economic structure, based on the catholic principles of the ownership (wealth distribution according to position), code of ethics and the system based in faith, totally irrational.
Atheism rejects all of this. Communism doesn’t reject god, it substitute one god for another and gives it a different name.
Rev g says
Interesting that you seek to divorce atheism from its proponents. Seems you wish to call everything a religion except atheism, even though you are carefully crafting your own creed of religion for it.
PRCS says
They did not commit atrocities in the name of atheism, rather to impose communism (Stalin and Mao) and to eliminate all previous history and start again from 0 (Pol Pot). Eliminating religion from the public sphere was but one aspect of imposing those ideologies.
Rev g says
Committing atrocities to eliminate religion is the same as committing them in the name of atheism. Think.
Rev g says
You keep attempting to sidestep the reality by deferring to communism. You are maybe unaware that Marx dubbed religion the “opiate of the masses,” and opined that, “Communism begins where atheism begins.” Speaking on behalf of the Bolsheviks in his famous October 2, 1920 speech, Lenin stated matter-of-factly: “We do not believe in God.”
Pretty clear that the two go hand in hand, huh? You can stop trying to tap dance around it now.
PRCS says
They did not commit their atrocities in the name of atheism.
They committed them in the name of their respective utopian ideologies.
And when Stalin, an unabashed atheist and communist, later allowed a limited expression of religion, it wasn’t because he’d been “born again”.
That’s the reality and sidestepping is what you’re engaged in.
Rev g says
Problem with your cute but shallow denial is that atheism was integral to theogiei ideologies. Never let quotes and facts get in the way of your fantasy.
PRCS says
The problem for you, Rev, is what you’ve already said.
“Yes, it means for THAT reason as well as others. So again, the answer is resoundingly YES.
Tap dancing won’t change that.
Rev g says
And, as the quotes have shown, I am correct.
No tap dancing required.
PRCS says
As you’ve admitted that the atrocities were committed for a variety of reasons, it should be obvious that asserting they were committed IN THE NAME OF atheism is not merely irrational nonsense, it flies in the face of relevant research.
http://tinyurl.com/h5zhab5
Rev g says
Your link has no substance, it tap dances more elaborately than you, nothing more.
All atheists may not be communists, but communism and communists (Pol pot included) considered atheism integral to their ideology. It is a primary point, not some side issue.
To be communist is to be atheist, by their own definition. No side-stepping it. So communists didn’t commit atrocities against religious people in the name of atheism, one of the primary points of their ideology? Yes, they did, in the name of atheism, because communism is atheism. And those are not my words, OK it was really “Communism begins where atheism begins”, according to Marx. Plenty of other similar quotes as well, marrying the two inseparably.
Allowing some degree of religious practice is actually an admission of defeat.
PRCS says
“Your link has no substance”
So, contact the author and pontificate.
“To be communist is to be atheist”
Communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs
Communist: a person who believes in communism or is a member of a political party that supports communism
“marrying the two inseparably”
Russia IS a communist nation to this day—with religion.
The atrocities were committed in the name of communism.
Keep dancing, Rev.
Rev g says
I g
Rev g says
I gave you quotes from the inventor of the system and major proponents of it, proving my point.
You providing further info on that system in order to dissemble does nothing to nullify my proof. It merely illuminates the lengths to which you will go to harbor your own denial.
PRCS says
Your quotes prove nothing but that you are an obstinate blowhard.
Further info on that system?
Yes, what informed people call definitions.
Rev g says
I prefer my facts from the founder of the system and the leaders who utilized it, not from some inane Internet troll.
Have a nice day.
PRCS says
PRCS says
August 4, 2016 at 3:24 pm
Yes, the rational atheism of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc….
They committed their atrocities in the name of atheism?
Eradication of religion was part of their platforms, so yes.
That they were atheists does not mean the atrocities were committed in the name of atheism–which is the strawman, the logical fallacy you are pushing.
They committed their atrocities in the name of their utopian ideologies–not in the name of atheism; a fact which your so-called “proofs” have not, and cannot disprove.
Reply
Rev g says
August 4, 2016 at 4:03 pm
So you keep dancing since my point is irrefutable. Belly aching doesn’t change that.
Logic is not your strong point.
And, what logical point are making, exactly?
Rev g says
Add reading comprehension to things you need to improve.
PRCS says
Yes, the rational atheism of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc….
They committed their atrocities in the name of atheism?
Eradication of religion was part of their platforms, so yes.
Right.
Jay Boo says
Dum Dum
Dom107
You really are a A-Hole.
A Christian is murdered by an ungrateful filthy lowlife carpet kisser Muslim an you rant a volume against Catholicism.
TH says
You yourself have ” preconceived notions of the nature of life in the Universe” which you manifest in your comment. You are stuffed with prejudice and you condemn what you patently don’t understand. The first step in an intelligent discussion is to recognize one’s own presuppositions, a step which you haven’t taken. The Church’s positions are based on sophisticated philosophical and theological principles developed over 20 centuries and you obviously haven’t taken the trouble of attempting to understand them. So, you have raised a strawman and that is a logical fallacy.
PRCS says
Yes, the rational atheism of Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc….
They committed their atrocities in the name of atheism?
Eradication of religion was part of their platforms, so yes.
That they were atheists does not mean the atrocities were committed in the name of atheism–which is the strawman, the logical fallacy you are pushing.
They committed their atrocities in the name of their utopian ideologies–not in the name of atheism; a fact which your so-called “proofs” have not, and cannot disprove.
Rev g says
So you keep dancing since my point is irrefutable. Belly aching doesn’t change that.
Logic is not your strong point.
maghan says
Obviously he has not read very much plus he’s not very bright.
TruthWFree says
I’m Catholic…and there have been bad Popes in history, but mostly because they lusted for secular power and other vices. This Pope is a traitor to Jesus Christ in my opinion, because he defends Islam, which if a true faith in God, makes Christianity a false religion because Islam’s allah god denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross. If the allah god’s assertion are correct (they are false), this Pope has no religion or faith.
Celtic says
Just in case you have not realized this yet: The whole Catholic Church is the total reverse of everything that Jesus ever taught.
Or can you tell me what this cult of worshipping dead Body parts of “Saints” – mostly People who have killed a whole lot of enemies of the church – meaning mass murderers, has to do with the message of Jesus?
Do tell.
JOHN SPIELMAN says
this pope is an anti Christ because he denies Jesus, the only Son of God, is the only way to salvation and there is no need fo repentance
Jay Boo says
No need for repentance?
Please elaborate.
Jay Boo says
John
We are all sinners who cannot earn our way to heaven.
I get that.
All Christians, agree we can be saved only by the grace of God.
I might be mistaken, but you seem to be offering an invalid shortcut here.
John Spielman says
Good point, I am not saying that repentance is not needed -along with faith in Jesus the Christ and His sin atoning Death and resurrection for the payment of our sin, but Francis has inferred that. Francis has been recorded as saying ” we are ALL children of God” whether Christ followers or muslim or atheist etc. this is part of Francis’s syncretism and anti Christ attitude. God has only ONE Son and that is Jesus, but we who are His followers are “adopted” by God as His children (St Paul) and Francis has adopted the unitarian heresy that all religions are thesame and vaild
Jay Boo says
Agree John,
“Francis has adopted the unitarian heresy that all religions are the same and vaild”
This pope is clearly heretical and has stifled conservative clergy in opposition to him with the assistance of a complicity MSM that props him up. I speculate that if it were not for the damage and turmoil caused by the previous Catholic priest sex abuse scandals he perhaps would have been forced into retirement by now.
biff says
Who the fuck cares what the pope thinks his position and status in life is.
The pope is also representing stone age beliefs. The major difference being the lack of murder, killings and other elements of violence.
The pope’s opinion of Islam is no more relevant than asking Ben Afllick what he thinks of the moon.
The Vatican is more corrupt and does more money laundering than Hillary Clinton.
Rev g says
Stone age beliefs? Biff, the DeLorean needs polishing.
PRCS says
People NEED to care, because this current head of the Catholic church’s fawning promotion of Islam comes at the expense–obvious to all but the church’s hierarchy, it seems–of the “unbelievers” about whom those vey Muslims are commanded to convert, subjugate, or kill.
Which they do regularly and publicly.
This will not stop until his flock stands up to him.
And no, let’s not pretend that Catholics are too stupid to do their own research.
JAR says
For those in positions of leadership, a good place to start on their own research would be Psalm 141.3: Set a guard over my mouth, O LORD, keep watch over the door of my lips!
Just sayin’.
gravenimage says
The pope is quite influential–even among non-Catholics and even non-Christians. His views–for good or ill–*are* important, whether you think they should be or not. We have to care.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely True gravenimage
gravenimage says
Yes–we can’t ignore the views of any influential leader–whether we share their beliefs or not.
TruthWFree says
I agree this Pope apparently is NO Christian.
Jay Boo says
The Koran as a book to bring world peace.
it’s a cookbook — Twilight Zone episode
Rev g says
I have imagined that same comparison many times. “To serve man” (a cookbook) versus “religion of peace” (kill all dissenters).
That was a good episode of Twilight Zone.
خَليفة says
Fortunately, at least for now, Islam is more the Wyle Coyote character than the Road Runner, but the left is trying to rewrite the script so the Road Runner gets eaten.
Truth Seeker says
Koran is Not the Book of World Peace but World with Pieces of Human Bodies; otherwise what is the reason for so many atrocities against Innocent Humans.
john spielman says
that is excellent, and true just like the religion of peace- I mean PIECE (S)
Carolyne says
That was one of my all-time favorite episodes.
Kay says
Speechless.
Feeling betrayed by my government, the journalists and now the Pope.
But he has something else to proclaim: the Good News. People are apparently listening to him and need to hear it (not a justification of Islam).
Emilie Green says
What an accomplishment. I used to be impressed with someone who was good at two (or more), things. For example, Gene Conley played at various times in the 1950s and the 1960s for both the Red Sox and the Celtics; a person who is a medical doctor and a lawyer; a commercial airplane pilot and a chess grand master; and so forth.
But Red Frankie has outdone them all,
Here in our lifetime, a person who is both a pope and an imam on and a scholar of Islam.
WTF says
The Pope is corrupted like politicians, medias. Evil man living in evil times
Resist says
http://youtu.be/-_RyWHapIMI
Anke L. says
The Pope is redundant…..we do not need any books of Belief systems to be decent people.
We have it in us as human being to know what is right and wrong…and belief systems
are nothing but systems of political power.
And what the pope says regarding Islam never having been neg. aggressive is so not true.
It always was…since the earliest beginnings.
Rev g says
Yes, the annals of history have infallibly shown your assertion correct, ok, I meant errant.
Rev g says
Regarding people’s innate sense of right and wrong, that is.
Jay Boo says
Doesn’t this Pope realize that Hillary and Obama have already proved that apologizing to Muslims repeatedly for any offense that we might have somehow caused has not made Muslims any more tolerant, and just the opposite.
Jaladhi says
I don’t know what to say about this Pope. Is he ignorant, lying, PC tool for Muslims. Is he a coward, afraid of Muslims oe what. Maybe he should refresh his history lesson of Pope Urban II, I am sure Vatican has good records of that 11th century Pope who saved Christians and Europe from the murderous Muslims!! Shame!!
Jaladhi says
If Pope visits JW site, he can learn about true Islam and Muslims!!
Jack Diamond says
Pope Urban II didn’t have the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar as his advisor.
The Vatican has also good records of all the early church fathers, who called Islam a heresy, a demonically-inspired enemy, who minced no words about Muhammad. The Pope could read about Pius V who called together the Catholic League which defeated the Muslim Ottomans at Lepanto, or Innocent XI who called together the coalition that defeated them at Vienna, also saving Christians and Europe from the bloody sword of Mohammedans. What would do you think these predecessors would say about this Pope? (Can’t we at least bring back Benedict, free him from the Vatican dungeon?)
Jack Diamond says
and the Imam at Al-Azhar is no doubt his advisor due to the inordinate influence of the likes of Cardinal Tauren, head of the Vatican’s Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue, erstwhile defender of Islam, and, comforting to know, the current camerlengo, one who takes over the pontiff’s duties if he resigns or dies.
———————
While we are heaping scorn on Francis, here is more cause. Asia Bibi.
The all of 12 seconds he gave to the husband and youngest daughter of Asia Bibi, in a face-to-face meeting in St. Peter’s Square last year. This is in keeping with his total silence on Asia Bibi. As reported by Sandro Magister, “In the fleeting encounter along the barriers – as can be seen in the video – the pope brushes past the two, accompanied by the children’s tutor. He does not listen to them, he does not speak, he does not bless them. The girl looks at him with amazement at such coldness. Everything takes place as if the name of Asia Bibi means nothing to Francis.”
“Next to their little daughter is Ignacio Arsuaga, founder of the humanitarian association HazteOir.org. Who tried uselessly to tell the pope, in Spanish, who the man and his daughter were, not even succeeding in handing him the dossier he wanted to give him.”
In 2010, it will be remember, Pope Benedict did mention Asia Bibi, did call for her release. “the one and only time a pope has spoken her name in public…in spite of the subsequent mobilization of many in support of her and in spite of the fact that her case is interwoven with all the following events of anti-Christian hatred in Pakistan, up to the massacre this past Easter, with 74 dead and 350 wounded, most of them women and children.”
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351264?eng=y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPfCN15DYlM
Now that is callousness (or cowardice) worth heaping scorn upon.
This is after Asia Bibi’s heartfelt letter to Pope Francis, in 2014, which he was well aware of. Read it and then wonder about his treatment of her family and his silence about her:
“Pope Francis, I am your daughter, Asia Bibi. I implore you: pray for me, for my salvation and for my freedom. At this point I can only entrust (myself) to God Almighty who can do anything for me.”
“I am holding tightly onto my Christian faith and trust that God my Father will defend me and give me back my freedom,I also trust in you, Holy Father Francis, and in your prayers.”
“Pope Francis,I know you are praying for me with all your heart. I know that thanks to your prayer, I could be set free. In the name of the Almighty Father and his glory, I thank you for your support in this moment of suffering and disappointment.”
“My only hope is that I will one day be able to see my family reunited and happy again. I believe that God will not abandon me and that he has a plan of happiness and wellbeing for me which will come into being very soon. I am grateful to all Christians across the world who are praying for me and doing everything to help me.”
“May God illuminate and bring wisdom to all those who are working on my case.”
Jaladhi says
Speaks volumes about this Pope protecting Christians and Christianity. I don’t think he has spoken out loudly to stop the persecution of Christians in Syria, Iran, Iraq, and other places. So why would he say anything about Asia Bibi, a Christian woman from Pakistan where Chritians are persecuted on a regular basis. Does anyone know what did he do for Yazidi women who were enslave, raped and sold by ISIS?Yet he is ready to wash feet of Muslim refugees from those same countries where Christians are being murdered.
Wonder if Pope can be impeached if he is not carrying out his duties?
John A. Marre says
It’s fair and it’s true. Islam is a violent religion.
Jack Holan says
Pope Francis is one of three things: a Simpleton, Dishonest or both. There is no other way to explain it.
He surely isn’t saving Christian lives in the Mid-East through this devilish
Charade. He would really have to be an idiot not to see this fact Againn Pope Francis a simple test of true faith, ask the Grand Mufti of Mecca when will you be invited to the Grand Mosque so he and the Royals can pray with you and ask for forgiveness. You say Islam is a Religion of Peace and they say they see JC as a Prophet. You’ll get you’re answer.
Jay Boo says
Flattery of Muslims into willing submission theory.
I sometimes wonder if he reads self-help books that advise complimenting others when they behave badly as a method to encourage them to behave up to higher expectations.
biff says
Bahahahhahahahhaha
The Pope knows that society is so little interested in religion that he would rather endorse a competing murderous religion then risk having Catholicism pushed even farther into irrelevancy.
Just need to stop having priests touch little boys under their desks.
Really, that’s nothing compared to what Islam is capable of on a daily basis.
Is Sharia law and cutting off the right hand for stealing like in ISIS, Saudi, Iran make Islam a religion of peace?
Maybe the key is to stop redefining the word peace to suit.
avi15 says
Just because the truth is awful doesn’t mean it’s not the truth. This Pope is one of the many leaders who refuse to admit the obvious reality that the world is now back to wars of religion.
Angemon says
No, you idiot, you don’t. You don’t see Catholics murdering people while shouting “For the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”, do you? You have Catholics who commit violence despite what their religion tells them and muslims who commit violence because their religion tells them. Does the fact that some Catholics commit violent acts despite what their religion teaches them somehow excuses muslims committing violence that happens because of what their religion tells them?
What, Cartoon Network was rerunning Dragon Ball? That episode where Tao kills General Blue?
Ah, good old Marxism ideals. In my country, an old-school Marxist old fart refused to call the attack in Nice as a terrorist attack because, according to him, it was the struggle of an oppressed class against its oppressors. Why do I have the feeling that the Pope isn’t far from thinking like that?…
Jay Boo says
He is misapplying a common truth.
Humans have the capacity to do evil regardless of religion or lack of religion.
What he ignores is the fact that Islam exploits the human capacity to do evil.
WorkingClassPost says
Yup, that last paragraph kinda nails it.
Jaladhi says
One should ask Pope how many Catholic terror attacks he has seen in the world , oh say in last 100 or 200 years? And he is talking about Catholic terrorists!
WorkingClassPost says
What year was Guy Fawks?
Jaladhi says
Hmmm.. wasn’t that in 1605?? Was the plan successful or foiled?? Contrast that with Muslim terror attacks happening everyday – in fact the attacks haven’t ceased since these started by Mo in his life time – 1400 years back!
WorkingClassPost says
Yes, and I can’t think of any other actions by Catholics on strictly religious grounds, in the last 400 years.
Contrast that with over 28,000 islamic attacks in the last 15.
gravenimage says
Good post, Angemon.
Jonathan Higbee says
The current pope is a social justice warrior (SJW), period. And as such he has SJW ideology on the brain – which includes the meme of actively lying about the history & nature & current attributes, of Islam.
biff says
The pope is only interested in spreading worldwide socialism.
Redistribution of income by the church with a “little skimming off the top” for the priests and Vatican.
He has his own agenda that he;s pushing at the same time.
Carolyne says
Yes, I have visited the Vatican and the treasures there, those which are allowed to be viewed by the public, are incredible. Works of art by the Old Masters are simply breathtaking. It makes one wonder what treasures are hidden away for the edification of the Pope and his minions.
I am an Atheist and I can only wonder why the followers of the Roman Catholic Church feel that the Pope and his elves need these treasures. If he is sincere in his belief that the terrorist refugees must be housed and clothed, wouldn’t the “Christian” thing to do be to sell these treasures in order to do so?
I know that Jesus said that one must love one’s enemies. But did he say that one must hate one’s friends?
The concept of a “God” was invented by early humans in an attempt to answer their questions of why the moon and sun were in the sky as well as other mysteries, That is no longer necessary. A quaint fairy tale, but no more.
maghan says
Social Justice Warrior? If one is such, then one would totally despise Islam. Islam is a vast set of confused verses badly plagiarized from Judaism and Christianity. Islam does not advocate justice in any logically derived way. It claims that Islam is superior to other religions. It also claims that non-Muslims should be subjugated and even killed. It also claims that females are inferior to males, etc.
It claims that the enslavement of other humans and the rape of captive females are all just in the eyes of their dubious god, Allah.
Burt says
Pope Francis is an imposter. He despises true Catholicism. His views echo the secular world view of the left.
We live in dark times. He actually is a living equivalent of Tolkien’s Saruman,
John Marst says
“It is like a fruit salad,” the pope also said during the interview. “There’s everything.”
The only fruit salad is between this clown’s ears. So many Catholics, in the dhimmi pope’s mind, are no better or worse than Islamic State jihadists? This is the delusion of the Left writ large.
“When fundamentalism goes as far as murdering … you can murder with your tongue and also with the knife,” he said. The difference is words don’t slit throats, but infidel-hating Islamists with knives certainly do.
whocares says
████████ POPE SHOULDN’T LIE ████████
simple as that
Paul says
True, but maybe he’s just clueless. Notice that his faith is full of absurdity like the ascension, which is supposed to be the concluding work of redemption (Hardon, SJ, in Modern Catholic Dictionary). Most of us don’t assume that the pope is lying when he insists, against the known truths of astronomy and physics, that a human body can rise into interstellar space like Superman and fly to Heaven. So why assume that he’s lying when talking about the bullying and violence which is intrinsic to Islam?
It’s by the way that Islam, too, insists that Jesus ascended bodily into Heaven and will return some day. We KNOW, however, that even if the body travelled at the speed of light, it could be no more than 2,000 light years from Earth, at least as reckoned from our reference frame. (Relativity gives very different results for Jesus’ reference frame, but he never gets to Heaven.) Physical reality has rules which apply without exception no matter what childish, arbitrary exceptions are demanded by theocrats or other outlaws who insist that willpower is supreme.
Rev g says
Physical reality consistently finds that the “rules” we deem inviolable are violated.
I guess you didn’t get the memo.
mortimer says
Message for delusional Francis:
Danish researcher Tina Magaard, PhD concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’
G P says
Lucifer must be celebrating,he’s more powerful than any atheist in getting people to leave the church.
He should be pensioned off as he’s clearly suffering from some form of retardation.
Barry Donnelly says
This Pope is a Gutless , Compromising Judas who has blessed the enemy and betrayed The Christian Faith and the Holy Trinity ! His constant polemics defending Islam and the Koran proves him to be An antichrist supporter . Definitely NOT PETERS SUCCESSOR !
Ciudadano says
Islam is not violent because there are no violent and hateful verses in the Coran, Mahoma was a peaceful prophet who loved his enemies and never killed no one, Abu Backr was a peaceful preacher who was martyred for his faith, there are no Islamic guerrillas all over the world, there are no Islamic countries were non Muslims are discriminated and oppressed, there are no imams and Islamic scholars supporting slavery and preaching hate towards non Muslims and Abdul Aziz, Saudi Arabian grand mufti, head of the Supreme Council of Ulema (Islamic scholars), never asked for the destruction of Christian churches throughout the Arabian Peninsula and people is not executed in Saudi Arabia for carrying a Bible.
خَليفة says
The pope is a dope. He is a head of state and head of religion – church and state combined – and we know how bad that is and why USA founding fathers built into constitution a separation of church and state. Does the lefty pope think people are stupid, or does he have Obama-syndrome ( where you believe people will believe anything you say cause you are the chosen one )
Rich says
Pope Francis doubling down on stupid re Islam. Is it the next pope yet?
Peter says
Yet another Western institution doomed by delusion, ignorance, incompetence, irresponsibility, wishful thinking, ideological blinders, and plain stupidity. Or, is the pope a liberation theologian? If so, then he is deliberately working towards the Catholic church and the West’s destruction. At least his predecessor had some understanding about the Islamic threat.
UNCLE VLADDI says
All criminals and crime-gangs always want ever-more rights with ever-less responsibilities; this is what they call “Liberation” and “Progress.” And of course the only way they can achieve it is by offloading their own responsibilities onto their victims, by stealing their rights. These lying cowards betray their people.
Walter Sieruk says
The pope needs to have a reality check. For all those Islamic terror attacks around the world are ,indeed, Islamic. That is those murderous jihad attacks are ,very much based on religion. The religion of Islam For Islam’s “holy book” the Qur ‘an [the Koran] instructs on the uses of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As found in ,for example 2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. Furthermore, it may be illustrated that if Islam is represented as a tree then the fruits then the fruits of that tree are the many brutal, violent and deadly jihad terror entities. Such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, al Shabaab , Hamas, Hezbollah, P.I.J. etc. With this statement, the Wisdom of the teachings of Jesus may, very much, apply to this subject. For Jesus taught “Ye do know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” After saying this Jesus told them what He told them when He said “By their fruit ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:16, 17, 18,.20. [K.J.V.] In conclusion, Islam is a corrupt tree and also a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13,20.
CrankyWW says
This man is either a liar or completely unhinged.
Simon says
This pope literally has a screw loose somewhere.
Luke says
Oh dear. He needs some prayers.
George Weinert says
Franciscans are wonderful and they saved my life during the years I was homeless but they are totally out of touch with reality l St. Francis led a life that would Kill him very quickly today but followers of St. Francis will give their lives and will easily sacrifice Yours !
gravenimage says
I’m glad you are off the street, George. By the way, Pope Francis was not a Franciscan; he was a Jesuit. But I don’t think his witless dhimmitude has to do with the order he belonged to, in any case.
Champ says
Pope Francis: “It’s not fair to identify Islam with violence. It’s not fair and it’s not true.”
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Add this to the laundry list of iies from Dope Francis.
Norwegian says
Is there any way for the church to…like…fire the current pope?…?
gravenimage says
Pope Francis: “It’s not fair to identify Islam with violence. It’s not fair and it’s not true.”
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Pope Francis sounds like a spoiled child here. He doesn’t want it to be true that Islam is violent, so he stamps his foot and says it is “not fair”.
Meanwhile, innocent victims all over the world–most recently the elderly Catholic priest beheaded by pious Muslims in France–continue to suffer.
This pope is doing nothing to protect his flock–instead, he is whining that we are not fair to the wolves for daring to consider them a threat.
Wellington says
I wonder what percentage of the College of Cardinals supports what this foolish Pope has been saying about Islam (and others things too like capitalism and the right of a nation to control its borders). I fear the percentage is high.
June says
The Pope and all the other people who are denying the reality of Islam are engaging in PLURALISTIC IGNORANCE. Look it up.
He lives behind high walls in his own city so it’s not surprising is it?
Muslims are allowed to lie to infidels in order to further Islam.
It’s incredibly suicidal for people outside Islam to be defending it and saying it’s not associated with violent jihad.
It’s a totally evil, self serving, murderous, totalitarian religion.
There are idiots here in Australia saying that women are more at risk from white males than from muslim men.
Again totally ignorant (in the true sense of the word) comments.
Yes there is domestic violence here, but compare that to the lives of women in muslim countries where daily beatings, rape and murder (euphemistically called honour killings, surely one of the most offensive expressions on the planet) are the norm.
Why do all these feminazis defend disgusting muslim men and ignore the plight of muslim women?
We should parachute some of these ignorant women into Afghanistan, India, Iraq, Africa or the middle east and leave them there for twelve months.
If they are still alive in twelve months we can pick them up.
I lived with muslims in their country for five years, it was too long and had a very negative effect on my health and life in general.
We shouldn’t hate them because they are born into it, but we should be ready to vigorously defend ourselves, be available to dispute and contradict people like the pope, and be free to tell the truth about Islam.
John Marst says
Why do all these feminazis defend disgusting muslim men and ignore the plight of muslim women?
Well, that’s the rub, isn’t it? If Islam is ever “reformed,” Muslim women will have to do it on their own. Muslim men and Western feminists will be of no help.
Muslim men have no interest in altering the misogynistic status quo and Western feminists are more concerned with injustices of the patriarchy like sexist air-conditioning.
Kay says
Agreed. Western feminists need to stand against the misogyny at least (if not the other assaults). Their silence is deafening.
Kay says
http://examine-islam.org/islam-kills-women-take-action-against-islams-hatred-of-women/
a feminist speaks to House of Lords
abad says
Just like Hussein Obama is the worst president in the USA history, so is Francis the worst of the Popes in Roman Catholic history. He is an imposter. Francis is supposed to put Jesus Christ first, NOT Islam first.
I suggest Francis convert to Islam if he hasn’t already.
Boston Tea Party says
I think Pope Francis is emblematic of many Christians today: he believes Christianity is good, but he doesn’t really believe that it’s true. Logic dictates that either Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins, or else he was not. Muhammad was either a holy prophet whom God spoke to, or he was not. Orthodox Christianity teaches that the answers to these questions are of paramount importance to our souls. I don’t believe that the Pope really thinks the answers are all that important, as long as everyone is “nice.” If the Pope had a real belief in Christianity and a genuine love for Muslims, he would be terribly distressed that all those millions of Muslims are following a false prophet. i get no sense whatsoever that he feels that way.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Whether Jesus was the Christ or not, and whether Christianity is good or not, ISLAM IS STILL EVIL.
gravenimage says
Yes.
Terry Gain says
My Pope is a liar. And a leftist loon.
Kay says
So sad.
The Catholic response in an election year should be (if possible) to vote for life, against death and terror.
From what I see, death and terror is coming to the west by way of Muslims following Islam.
Norger says
Can he possibly be that ignorant of Islamic theology? Absolutely reckless and irresponsible.
He’s definitely on the same page as our western political leaders, though. The pope would no doubt agree that Fort Hood was “workplace violence” and “we’ll never know” what caused Omar Mateen to machine gun a night club full of gays to death.
My guess is that he thinks he’s somehow promoting peace and world harmony by denying the obvious. Sort of like saying “ISIS is not Islamic.” In the meantime, Christians are being persecuted and slaughtered by Islamists throughout the Middle East. Shame on you Pope for your cowardly betrayal. Shame on you.
Rev g says
Omar did not have a machine gun
Norger says
Really? You’re going to call me on technical gun nut terminology? I stand corrected.
Rev g says
Gun nut terminology? So when we’re you lobotomized? They messed up and took way to much.
Just like opposing the misrepresentation of Islam as peaceful, it is incumbent on sane, intelligent people to counter and the hysterical tripe put forth about guns by ill-informed fools.
My jeep has a sunroof, calling it a convertible would be pretty stupid as well.
Rev g says
Technical? The difference between “pull trigger, one bullet fires” and “pull trigger, bullets keep coming out until you let go of trigger or run out of bullets” is hardly a technicality. Even a simpleton can see that.
As to gun nut, you must be a toolophobe, having an irrational fear of inanimate objects that humans use to make their lives safer and easier.
gravenimage says
Rev g–with all respect–I agree with Norger in spirit here.
Omar Mateen intended to gun down as many people as he could, and managed to slaughter 49 people even without having used a machine gun. He didn’t use a Sig Sauer MCX semiautomatic because he wanted to minimize the carnage.
Rev g says
Ignoring facts ? He did not have a machine gun. He could not legally obtain one. It is not easy to become legally able to obtain one.
Do we lump Timothy McVeigh in with Muslim terror, since it “is close enough” or do facts matter?
Letting people slide on declaring absolute lies about guns, or islam, or the Crusades, etc, only keeps the false and damaging narratives alive.
gravenimage says
If you prefer to strain after gnats, that is your prerogative, Rev g.
Rev g says
The difference between an ar-15 clone and a machine gun is hardly trivial.
I am certain that nobody would call my old sportster a racing motorcycle, yet the xr-750 shares a lot of parts and looked similar.
Shame on you for looking only skin deep and overlooking major differences in operational characteristics.
Do you often lump Chaldeans and other Christian Arabs in with muslims? Do you think all muslims are arab?
I guess when it comes to firearm, blatant misrepresentation is no problem though. It helps feed the hysteria, right? Ban scary looking guns based on fictional depictions of their magical powers.
MitraVaruna says
“Western Christendom” is doomed. Sad that the Pope does not know Islamic theology and is living in La-la land.. Somehow i cannot help thinking, how the past bad karma(Inquisitions, genocide of native populations, selling of indulgences to the rich, the thumb-screwing’s etc) of the Papacy is catching up with it. Ii do not wish for its downfall in spite of its insufferable “Know it all” attitude to pagans and heathens, as souls still to be harvested, considering the horrible alternative of Sharia gaining ascendancy.
gravenimage says
What kind of karma does *Islam* have, if you think that the Christian West deserves to be conquered by ravening Muslims?
Thought_Weaver says
This pope has foot fetish? ??
Mark Swan says
Big Time
UNCLE VLADDI says
HE IS A LIAR. HE IS A CRIMINAL FRAUD. HE USES THE CRIMINALS’ FAVORITE EXCUSE, THE CRITICAL THINKING LOGICAL “ARGUMENTUM TU QUOQUE” FALLACY, WHICH GOES LIKE THIS:
“ISLAM ISN’T A CRIME-GANG AND MUSLIMS AREN’T CRIMINALS BECAUSE WE ALL DO IT, TOO!”
HE IS A TRAITOR TO RATIONALITY AND CIVILIZATION.
Rachel Cohen says
This far left, Marxist, godless, communist, ecumenical pope–is not ignoring the factual evidence that Islam is a religion of terrorism–he is endorsing and promoting Islamic terrorism. Marxist globalist leaders–have joined forces with Islamic terrorists–to destroy their common enemies.
Rachel Cohen says
This wicked pope–is an intelligent man–he knows exactly what he is doing.
Baucent says
” while people of all faiths and backgrounds commit acts of violence, Islam is unique among world religions in having a developed doctrine, theology and legal system mandating warfare against unbelievers.”
“Does Catholicism teach the murder of fiancés or mothers in law? No. Does Islam teach jihad warfare against unbelievers? Yes.”
Robert destroys the Popes shallow attempt at equivalency with these two statements. The current Pope is a nice kind man, but a man seriously deficient in understanding what other religions even teach. He needs to hang out more with his predecessor Benedict. He might learn something.
Felix Quigley says
Despite Dave using this reactionary and confusing word “leftist” which smells of conspiracy theory (this time from the right) I think he is right in this:
QUOTE…”He is classic case of “A Foolish Friend is more dangerous than a vicious Enemy”
And on top of that he rejects asylum to christians and pushes christians to take in more christian hating muslim http://tinyurl.com/j2lwzej
Its time to expose the Pope as a Islamonazi pandering crook and that makes him as guilty as the Priest who sexually abused children END QUOTE
I believe that the answer to the questions that are posed in the above are found in looking at the Catholic Church during the war years that led to an alliance between the Catholic Church internationally with the forces of Fascism,
The main fear of the Catholic Church and especially the forces emanating out of the Vatican was the working class taking power in a revolution. The fear of another 1917 filed their lives. This led the Catholic Church (others too especially the Lutheran Church in Germany) to make an alliance with the Nazis, and the alliance of the Catholic Prelates in Spain in the Spanish Civil War with the Spanish Fascists and Army was to anticipate their role in Germany. This role in Germany resulted in the Holocaust of the Jews of some six millions of Jews, not to forget gypsies, homosexuals and the Serbs in Croatia.
The key book in my opinion is “Antisemitism, Christian Ambivalence and The Holocaust” edited by Kevin P. Spicer, C.S.C. and therein a number of essays especially that by Anna Lysiak which deals in detail with “the writings of Polish Catholic Theologians, 1918-1945” , but other essays deal specifically with the same phenomenon in Spain and in Germany in that same period.
Jack Diamond says
According to Pinchas Lapide, an Israeli consul in Milan who interviewed Italian Holocaust survivors,
Pius XII saved almost a million Jews from death at the hands of the Nazis. His secret orders to the clergy were to “save human lives by all means”. The cardinal of Genova Boetto saved at least 800 Jews; the Bishop of Assisi hid 300 for over two years; Monsignor Palatucci, Bishop of Campagna, and two of his close relatives saved 961 in Fiume… etc etc {Three Pope and the Jews, Pinchas Lapide).
Oh, and in two different speeches he said “It is impossible for a Catholic to be anti-Semite; spiritually all of us are Semites.”
How many lives have you saved, Felix?
Cecilia Ellis says
Jack, there is a wonderful movie entitled, “The Assisi Underground,” which tells the true story of how the Bishop of Assisi saved over 300 Jews, hiding some and helping them to escape to safety, including harboring them in convents and monasteries. It is a truly captivating movie, which, by the way, was filmed on site in Assisi. I have spent much time in Assisi, and years ago, one of the Franciscan monks pointed out, from a distance, the then elderly priest who ran the Bishop’s operations to hide and protect the Jews.
Jack Diamond says
These are great and important stories that should be more widely known. Thanks for bringing that movie to my attention.
gravenimage says
Very true, Jack. Fine post.
Jack Diamond says
Thanks graven.
Dustin says
Vicarious of Christ or Agent of Islam? What history did this guy read? What culture did he study? Muhammad said peace, but waged war.
Dustin Koellhoffer says
Vicar, obviously, (stupid auto-correct)
Rev g says
It still made sense, seeing as how vicar derives from vicarious and has the same intention.
Felix Quigley says
QUOTE (from Robert Spencer)…”“The pope said that when he reads the newspaper, he reads about an Italian who kills his fiancé or his mother in law. ‘They are baptized Catholics. They are violent Catholics.’” (Spencer answers)…Does Catholicism teach the murder of fiancés or mothers in law? No. Does Islam teach jihad warfare against unbelievers? Yes.
“The pope said that in every religion there are violent people, ‘a small group of fundamentalists,’ including in Catholicism.” (Spencer answers)…There have been 28,923 violent jihad terror attacks worldwide since 9/11. How many violent attacks have there been in that span by violent Catholic “fundamentalists” doing violence in the name of Catholicism?
It is difficult to know where to begin in answering this Pope Francis. I do not think we would expect a 10 year old in a primary school class debate to offer such deceitful arguments. But he does.
Consequently I do not think that the answers of Robert Spencer are really sufficient. If we are to find an answer as to why the present Pope Francis is lining up alongside of the forces of Fascism, as in the Muslim Brotherhood which is directing illegal immigration of Muslims into Europe and America, we may have to look more deeply at the very phenomenon of the organized Catholic Church in history especially in the years preceeding the Holocaust of the Jews.
The main fear of the Catholic Church and especially the forces emanating out of the Vatican was the working class taking power in a revolution. The fear of another 1917 filled their lives. This led the Catholic Church (others too especially the Lutheran Church in Germany) to make an alliance with the Nazis, and the alliance of the Catholic Prelates in Spain in the Spanish Civil War with the Spanish Fascists and Army was to anticipate their role in Germany. This role in Germany resulted in the Holocaust of the Jews of some six millions of Jews, not to forget gypsies, homosexuals and the Serbs in Croatia.
The key book in my opinion is “Antisemitism, Christian Ambivalence and The Holocaust” edited by Kevin P. Spicer, C.S.C. and therein a number of essays especially that by Anna Lysiak which deals in detail with “the writings of Polish Catholic Theologians, 1918-1945”, but other essays deal specifically with the same phenomenon in Spain and in Germany in that same period.
Lysiak does a great service to us today as we try to understand the role of Pope Francis in our world. She does this by using the words out of the very mouths of the Catholic Theologians in Poland in this critical period. Having read what Lysiak reproduces you begin to get some inkling as to how the Polish Catholic people were prepared (you could say groomed) to go in large numbers (with some wonderful and honoured exceptions) with the horror of the Holocaust of the Jews at the hands of the Nazis. Make no mistake about it this is also what Pope Francis was doing at the mass world youth assembly in Poland, and in his comments on the plane back from there – he was grooming populations to accept the horror of Sharia.
Iftikhar Ahmad says
Have you asked yourself why people are becoming fanatical or being radicalised? Yes. To want to go and kill people I suspect they have been brainwashed by clever, manipulative, evil extremists. Blamed to some extent on warmongering western politicians like Bush and Blair who think removing evil dictators can lead to stable democracy. Where did isis spring from? Not in Waltham Forest. I don’t think that is truly known but CBS reckon 12 of the leaders were in Camp Bucca in Iraq and that’s where they think it started. The war in Iraq opened up Pandora’s box when the control Saddam had on the many factions was lost. Did you know that a day before the diabolical attack in Paris there was also an attack in Beirut by isis claiming many Muslim lives and a week earlier a similar attack in Nigeria? No, not until mentioned on the news post-Paris. I don’t read newspapers these days. ISIS seem to want to murder anyone. if you are making a point about them killing Muslims then that is nothing unusual. Iran and Iraq managed to kill at least 500,000 in their war.
Terror is the biggest business today at home and abroad. Everyone is a beneficiary. The government gets more clout and more powers over the lives of its hapless subjects through new terror laws and activation of old ones in an atmosphere where no one dares to question the motives of the politicians over the vital issue of “security”. Security forces get immunity for illegal acts and crimes for which they win medals, rewards, promotions and huge funds with no accountability attached.
Newspapers and TV channels improve their circulation and ratings sensationalising real and imaginary terror stories with total impunity as no one would dare question their rightful concern for our safety and security.
7/7 bombers have been radicalised in the context of racist schools rather than in Pakistan. Imams and Masajid are not the brainwashers of Muslim youths. It is state schools who have been mis-educating and de-educating Muslim children for the last 60 years. The media for the last 15 years have targeted Muslims as a threat to British life. Many of 9/11 and 7/7 attackers were not from the poor, down trodden, under-educated and alienated sectors of society but were well-educated, middle to upper class and from stable family backgrounds. Muslim youths suspected of carrying out blast across India, have not been educated in Madrassas but western qualified and had respectable jobs.
The word Jihad means to struggle for some purpose. The fighting against the enemies is called “Qital”, and not Jihad. I have been engaged in Jihad for the last 35 years in the field of education for the Muslim children. Under Cover Masajid programme on Channel 4, the preachers were not promoting segregation or violence against non-Muslims. They were helping and teaching Muslim youths to develop Islamic Identity. The preaching was quoted out of context and the British media portrayed them as the enemies of the state. Imams and Masajid are providing valuable service to the Muslim community and none of them is a hub of hateful preaching and bigotry. In the west Muslims are treated as political poison. They are increasingly the target of a “shoot first and ask question latter” policy. Thousands of British Muslims are being searched in streets and hundreds of them are behind the bar without any trial. British teachers are being asked to monitor pupils behaviour, if they suspect teenagers are being drawn into violent extremism. Naturally, Muslim students would be victim of this policy rather than French Muslim girls are not allowed to cover their heads. This is called liberalism. During the time of Taliban in Afghanistan, women were forced to cover themselves and this is called extremism by the west. In Britain, Muslim women are allowed to cover themselves but there is an immense social, emotional and economic pressure, forcing them not to cover. West is the Mongols of our time. The new Mongols are far worse than the first one. This new Mongols are trying to destroy Islamic identity of the Muslim youths. A large number of them have changed their names and there is no shortage of ex-Muslims in the west. Ex-Muslim council receives state funding.
In Islam there is no commandment to kill people by making such allegations against them. The cartoonists had exercised their freedom of expression, and freedom of expression is totally allowed in Islam. Even during the Prophet’s time there were several instances of ridicule, however the Prophet and his Companions neither punished such persons nor asked anyone to do so. On every occasion of this kind, the Prophet’s Companions always tried to positively disseminate the message of Islam. They never tried to punish these people. The killing of those people who had published the cartoons is a gravely un-Islamic act in the name of Islam. What did killing Saddam Husain do. What did killing Osama Bin laden do? NOTHING!!!. There is a long line of replacements. I don’t know the answers. He was asked by MI5 to join them…so you know he is working for them.
It is a crime against humanity to send Muslim children to non-Muslim schools with non-Muslim teachers. They do not understand the needs and demands of the Muslim children. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. It is nothing to do with racism, segregation or integration. It is purely an educational issue.
Pakistani youths who are victims of terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of British education system. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Sexual grooming is a British value and the poor Pakistani youths have adopted this vital British value. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. The whole world belongs to him/her. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He /she is well versed in English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages. Muslim community is paying all sorts of taxes and contributing for the economic, social and spiritual prosperity of the British society at large. Pakistan is only seven hours away from London.
IA
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
Jack Diamond says
What an idiotic load of horseshit. You are a liar and this is just ONE example:
“freedom of expression is totally allowed in Islam. Even during the Prophet’s time there were several instances of ridicule, however the Prophet and his Companions neither punished such persons nor asked anyone to do so. On every occasion of this kind, the Prophet’s Companions always tried to positively disseminate the message of Islam. They never tried to punish these people.”
Asma bin Marwan, assassinated for derogatory poems about Muhammad. Abu ‘Afak, assassinated for poems about Muhammad. Ka’ab ibn al-Ashraf, assassinated for poems about Muhammad. Fartana, singing girl killed for having mocked Muhammad.
Ibn al-Qasim “anyone who curses him (Muhammad), reviles him, finds fault with him or disparages him is killed. Allah made it obligatory to respect the Prophet and be dutiful to him.”
“Allah says, “Those who harm Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and in the Next, and has prepared for them a humiliating punishment.” (33:57). As for the traditions, al-Husayn ibn ‘Ali related from his father that the Messenger of Allah said in respect of this matter, “Whoever curses a Prophet, kill him. Whoever curses my Companions, beat him.”
In a sound hadith the Prophet commanded that Ka’b ibn al-Ashraf be killed. He asked, “Who will deal with Ka’b ibn al-Ashraf? He has harmed Allah and His Messenger.” He sent someone to assassinate him without calling him to Islam, in distinction to other idol-worshippers. The cause of that lay in his causing harm to the Prophet. That indicates that the Prophet had him killed for something other than idol-worship. It was for causing harm. Abu Rafi,’ who used to harm the Messenger of Allah and work against him, was also killed.
Similarly on the Day of the Conquest, he ordered the killing of Ibn Khatal and his two slavegirls who used to sing his curses on the Prophet.
In another hadith about a man who used to curse the Prophet, the Prophet said, “Who will save me from my enemy?” Khalid said, “I will,” so the Prophet sent him out and he killed him.”
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec2.htm
“The author of this fatwa, which comes from the Islamic Fatwa Council of Jerusalem, presided over by Shaykh Khalid Ghanayim, asserts that this is not only his opinion, but also the opinion of the Qur’an, the sunnah, and the consensus of Islamic scholars. As proof, he provides references from each source.
Q: What is the ruling on one who insults the divine, the Prophet (peace be upon him), the Noble Qur’an, and Islam?
A:In the name of Allah the most merciful,
Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the two worlds, and peace be upon our lord Muhammad, and on his family and companions.
Whoever insults one of these four things, whether in jest or sincerity, has become an infidel and must be killed. This is what is shown in the text of the book [i.e. the Qur’an], and the sunnah, and all scholars (are in agreement) with it.
mam Ishaq ibn Rahuwiya, a prominent imam, said, “Muslims are unanimous (in agreement) that anyone who insults Allah, or insults the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), or attacks anything which Allah Almighty has sent down, or kills a prophet of Almighty Allah; that he is an infidel, and that this is based on everything that Allah has sent down.”
Muhammad bin Sahnun said: “Scholars are in unanimous (agreement) that whoever insults and disparages the Prophet (peace be upon him) is an infidel. Continually upon him is the threat of the punishment of Allah. The ruling on him for the Muslim community is execution. Whoever doubts his infidelity and punishment is (himself) an infidel.”
Al-Khattabi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “I don’t know any Muslim who differs on the duty to kill him,” […]
What is the ruling on one who insults the divine, the Prophet (peace be upon him), the Noble Qur’an, and Islam?”
Islamic Fatwa Council of Jerusalem, Fatwa No. 349, November 29, 2009
oh, and as for those “the prophet” forgave for insults?:
“The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.”
Jack Diamond says
Let’s talk about “Qital”. q-t-l meaning “killing, slaughter, massacre” but is usually translated as mere”fighting.” It occurs 123 times, 89 times in the Meccan verses of the Qur’an. Including Surah Nine. Qital, Fight, kill, massacre, in 9:29, those the disbelievers in Allah and Islam, kill them unless they convert or live as subjugated people “humbled” and paying the ransom for their lives (jizya). 2:216: Qital, killing has been ordained for you, though you may dislike it, maybe you dislike something that is good for you (killing). You say qital means fighting enemies. How does 9:29 define the enemy? Simply based on their belief or disbelief in Allah and his messenger. That’s all.
The schools of Islamic law are clear on the controlling definition of Jihad, typified in the ‘Umdat al-Salik, warfare against non-Muslims to establish the religion (Islam). “Encyclopedia of Islam” says what about jihad?:
“The duty of jihad exists as long as the universal domination of Islam has not been attained. Peace with non-Muslim nations is therefore a provisional state of affairs only, the chance of circumstances alone can justify it temporarily. Furthermore, there can be no question that genuine peace treaties with these nations, whose duration ought not, in principle, exceed ten years, are authorized. But even such truces are precarious, in as much as they can, before they expire, be repudiated unilaterally should it appear more profitable for Islam to resume the conflict.”
Again, they seem to misunderstand that Jihad has something to do with WAR against non-Muslims! Of course, jihad of the sword is but one form of “removing the obstacles to the spread of Islam.” Another form is educating Muslim youths “to develop Islamic identity.” As you do. Because “it is a crime against humanity to send Muslim children to non-Muslim schools with non-Muslim teachers.” We can’t have Muslims assimilating or become Western
just because they are in Britain.
They might all become rapists, er, I mean “sex groomers” like the British, isn’t that what you uttered?…You actually meant like the colonizing Muslims who prey upon young British girls. But that too is Jihad, isn’t it?
Jack Diamond says
for more on the distinctions between jihad and qital:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/james-m-arlandson-jihad-and-qital-in-the-quran-traditions-and-classical-law
gravenimage says
Fine posts, Jack.
gravenimage says
I see the meretricious Iftikhar Ahmad is back:
Have you asked yourself why people are becoming fanatical or being radicalised? Yes. To want to go and kill people I suspect they have been brainwashed by clever, manipulative, evil extremists. Blamed to some extent on warmongering western politicians like Bush and Blair who think removing evil dictators can lead to stable democracy.
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Uh huh. Never mind that pious Muslims have been waging violent Jihad for almost 1400 years now, long before George Bush or Tony Blair came on the scene.
Bu then, this Taqiyya artist was blaming Muslim rape of underaged Infidels on the free West, as well.
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Where did isis spring from? Not in Waltham Forest. I don’t think that is truly known but CBS reckon 12 of the leaders were in Camp Bucca in Iraq and that’s where they think it started…
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Muslims have been trying to reconstitute the Caliphate for decades now. That’s what the Islamic State is–it has nothing to do with the values of the West. While they may have taken advantage of Saddam Hussein’s absence, the fact is that Islam has been reasserting itself all over Dar-al-Islam–including in many places that Bush and Blair had *nothing* to do with.
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Did you know that a day before the diabolical attack in Paris there was also an attack in Beirut by isis claiming many Muslim lives and a week earlier a similar attack in Nigeria?
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Ah–the usual–that we are (somehow) supposed to consider Islam *less* vicious because Muslims slaughter their fellow Muslims.
This would make no sense, in any case. But then you have to factor in the handy Islamic doctrine of Takfir, where pious Muslims simply declare other Muslims to be “apostates”, or “heretics”, or “insufficiently Islamic”–in which case, they are fair game for slaughter just as are the “filthy Infidel”.
For instance, the attack in Lebanon was on Shi’ites–Sunnis consider Shia “heretics”, and hence they are always Halal as targets.
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ISIS seem to want to murder anyone.
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No–ISIS is murderous, but the idea that they are indiscriminate is false.
They are slaughtering Christians, Yezidi, Shia Muslims, and anyone deemed insufficiently Islamic. Their goal is an orthodox Islamic state.
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if you are making a point about them killing Muslims then that is nothing unusual. Iran and Iraq managed to kill at least 500,000 in their war.
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And here, Iftikhar Ahmad mistakenly admits that Muslims are *always* butchering each other.
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Terror is the biggest business today at home and abroad. Everyone is a beneficiary.
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And now this vile Mohammedan is pretending that the *Infidel victims* are “benefiting* from being murdered by his foul coreligionists. Tell that to the dead in San Bernardino, and Orlando, and Nice. Tell it to their loved ones.
The purpose of waging violent Jihad is to establish Muslim rule, submission to Islam, and the imposition of Shari’ah law.
We can oppose it or submit to it, but the idea that everyone is equally responsible for Jihad terror is bullsh*t.
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The government gets more clout and more powers over the lives of its hapless subjects through new terror laws and activation of old ones in an atmosphere where no one dares to question the motives of the politicians over the vital issue of “security”. Security forces get immunity for illegal acts and crimes for which they win medals, rewards, promotions and huge funds with no accountability attached.
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Uh huh. Notice that Iftikhar Ahmad is pretending that Infidels are the victims of their own government’s attempts to protect them from Jihad–but are not, apparently, the victims of Jihad itself.
He could take a further step, and just claim that all Jihad terror attacks are perpetrated by Joooooos to “make Islam look bad”. Many of his fellow Muslims pull this “Truther” crap.
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Newspapers and TV channels improve their circulation and ratings sensationalising real and imaginary terror stories with total impunity as no one would dare question their rightful concern for our safety and security.
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Yes–if only the press didn’t dare report these Jihad atrocities, things would be so much better for Mohammedans like this one…
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7/7 bombers have been radicalised in the context of racist schools rather than in Pakistan. Imams and Masajid are not the brainwashers of Muslim youths. It is state schools who have been mis-educating and de-educating Muslim children for the last 60 years.
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Right. And yet, it was Muslims waging violent Jihad, on Islamic grounds–just as they had done for 9/11 and the Madrid Train Bombings.
If this was really about “racism”, why wouldn’t you find minority Infidels waging this kind of Jihad? But it does not happen.
The real reason Iftikhar Ahmad is pushing this is because he is setting up Madrasses in Britain. By the time the British people realize that this is making things *worse*, he hopes they will be too entrenched to remove.
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The media for the last 15 years have targeted Muslims as a threat to British life.
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15 years? 15 years? Gee–what happened 15 years ago? Might it have been the most devastating Jihad terror attack of recent times? And that atrocity has been followed by almost *49,000* subsequent Jihad attacks all over the world.
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Many of 9/11 and 7/7 attackers were not from the poor, down trodden, under-educated and alienated sectors of society but were well-educated, middle to upper class and from stable family backgrounds. Muslim youths suspected of carrying out blast across India, have not been educated in Madrassas but western qualified and had respectable jobs.
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Actually, most of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. They were not Americans.
They’re being mostly fairly well-off just meant they had more resources to wage Jihad–this was certainly true of Osama bin Ladin.
But the idea that these pious Muslims learned their Jihad in Western schools is simply ludicrous. These Muslims learned to wage violent Jihad from the texts and tenets of Islam, and from the model of the vicious “Prophet”.
Civilized Western schools do not teach this savagery.
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The word Jihad means to struggle for some purpose.
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Well, of course it does. The purpose of Jihad is to spread the creed of Islam, force submission to Islam, and impose Islamic law.
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The fighting against the enemies is called “Qital”, and not Jihad.
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Qital is just one kind of Jihad.
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I have been engaged in Jihad for the last 35 years in the field of education for the Muslim children.
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Exactly so. This is the “Jihad of the pen”–also known as Da’wa. It is a type of stealth Jihad.
It works hand in glove with other types of Jihad. Look how much violent Jihad has increased in Britain and the rest of the West in the past 35 years.
con’t
gravenimage says
con’t
Under Cover Masajid programme on Channel 4, the preachers were not promoting segregation or violence against non-Muslims. They were helping and teaching Muslim youths to develop Islamic Identity. The preaching was quoted out of context and the British media portrayed them as the enemies of the state. Imams and Masajid are providing valuable service to the Muslim community and none of them is a hub of hateful preaching and bigotry.
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Well, of course! Saying that women are deficient, and marrying pre-pubescent girls is Halal, and that apostates should be crucified, and that British soldiers should be beheaded, and that Muslims are to wage violent Jihad against the West–all “quoted out of context”.
Why doesn’t Ahmad tell us in what context, exactly, teaching violent Jihad is apt to prevent violent Jihad?
But Ahmad is right–all of the above is intended to “develop Islamic identity”–God help us.
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In the west Muslims are treated as political poison. They are increasingly the target of a “shoot first and ask question latter” policy. Thousands of British Muslims are being searched in streets and hundreds of them are behind the bar without any trial. British teachers are being asked to monitor pupils behaviour, if they suspect teenagers are being drawn into violent extremism. Naturally, Muslim students would be victim of this policy rather than French Muslim girls are not allowed to cover their heads. This is called liberalism.
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“Shoot first and ask questions later”–pretty perverse, since it is Muslims who are murdering *us*. But as Ahmad would have it, we are not properly liberal if we do not simply bare our throats to the blade without any resistance at all.
This is, actually, a common Muslim complaint.
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During the time of Taliban in Afghanistan, women were forced to cover themselves and this is called extremism by the west. In Britain, Muslim women are allowed to cover themselves but there is an immense social, emotional and economic pressure, forcing them not to cover. West is the Mongols of our time. The new Mongols are far worse than the first one. This new Mongols are trying to destroy Islamic identity of the Muslim youths. A large number of them have changed their names and there is no shortage of ex-Muslims in the west. Ex-Muslim council receives state funding.
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Apparently Ahmad does not consider either forced veiling or the Taliban to be “extreme”. Well, he’s right as far as it goes–this is orthodox Islam.
Note that he considers the ordinary social pressures of a liberal Western state to be worse than violence. This should not surprise–Muslims want to impose Shari’ah in the free West, so that no one–Infidel of Muslim–can be tempted by freedom.
Muslim institutions–foolishly–receive large amounts of Infidel taxpayer money–but Muslims just consider this the Jizya they are due.
What enrages them is that we allow Muslim apostates to live freely here. I’m sure Ahmad rather agrees with the Imam from Undercover Mosque who says they should all be crucified.
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In Islam there is no commandment to kill people by making such allegations against them. The cartoonists had exercised their freedom of expression, and freedom of expression is totally allowed in Islam.
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Well, that explains why Ahmad’s coreligionists have massacred the staff of Charlie Hebdo and tried to bomb the Cartoon Art Show in Garland, Texas…
In fact, any criticism of the “Prophet” is considered “blasphemy”, and is punishable by death under Islam.
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Even during the Prophet’s time there were several instances of ridicule, however the Prophet and his Companions neither punished such persons nor asked anyone to do so…
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Good God, what bald-faced crap. Jack Diamond ably demolishes this pile of Taqiyya. Good job, sir.
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It is a crime against humanity to send Muslim children to non-Muslim schools with non-Muslim teachers. They do not understand the needs and demands of the Muslim children. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. It is nothing to do with racism, segregation or integration. It is purely an educational issue.
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Yes, we all know the demands Muslims make on the “filthy Infidels”. Now we are supposed to fund the very schools where they will be taught to oppress, enslave, and murder us.
Also, note the Muslim concept of “crimes against humanity”–somehow, it does not include beheading Infidels in the streets…
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Pakistani youths who are victims of terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of British education system.
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Wow–let *that* sink in. It is not the raped and dead Infidels who are the victims here, but the Muslim rapists and murderers.
Of course, this is also claptrap. There is *nothing* more Islamic than raping and murdering the “filthy Kuffar”.
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They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Sexual grooming is a British value and the poor Pakistani youths have adopted this vital British value. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. The whole world belongs to him/her. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He /she is well versed in English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages. Muslim community is paying all sorts of taxes and contributing for the economic, social and spiritual prosperity of the British society at large. Pakistan is only seven hours away from London.
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Where to start? The idea that Britain censors Pakistani poetry is absurd. You find this kind of censorship in Dar-al-Islam–not in the free West.
It is not Infidels who are sexually grooming young girls–these are all Muslim gangs, acting on the tenets of Islam, which sacralize the rape of unbelievers.
And of course he is demanding that the “filthy Infidel” funds Muslim schools–what else is Jizya for, if not to fund the oppression of those paying it?
The “tiny global village” Ahmad refers to is the Ummah–the collective enforcers of Islam.
Since Pakistan is just hours away from London, perhaps violent, supremacist Mohammedans would prefer to return there, where they don’t have to have anything to do with the filthy Infidels at all–except, of course, when kidnapping or raping one of the few remaining Christians, Hindus, or Sikhs?
But why should they? Pious Muslims like Iftikhar Ahmad believe they can look forward to living off the conquered Britons–they have a such a rich society, Muslims should be able to live off its corpse for a couple of centuries before they destroy it entirely…
Oh, and Ahmad’s link to his own school does not work. Who here could be surprised? Here it is:
http://www.lsi.com.temporary-domain.com/
Lots of nasty stuff there.
Felix Quigley says
THOSE INTERWAR CATHOLIC THEOLOGIANS LEAD INTO THE ANTISEMITISM OF THE FALSE ARAB POSON OF TODAY REGARDING JEWS AND THE JEWISH HOMELAND
It seems to me to someone who has been following closely the meandering reaction of the conspiracy theorists like David Icke that there is a very strong connection between the Catholic Church leaders and thinkers and these reactionary and Israel hating conspiracists of today – like Icke but many others. It is very prevalent in today’s world and certainly exists in the American Democratic Party of not only Sanders but also of Clinton. They all have one thing in common – they do not see Israel as it is, but see it through the prism of conspiracy theory aka Antisemitism of the modern era, especially of the Protocols carried into the present around the false Palestinian Arab Poison Narrative.
The book I mentioned by Kevin P. Spicer and the writer called Anna Lysiak has this very interesting and revealing material from these (Polish) Catholic Theologians. It is not a stretch to think that the present positions of the Pope Francis especially towards Muslim immigration have this Antisemitism at bottom also. The times change but that is the foundation:
In his 1920 article “Revolution, Jews and the Sacred Books,” Jan Urban claimed that the same tendencies formed a Jewish capitalist and a Jewish revolutionist.64 Two main commands of “distorted Judaism” were to look for paradise here on earth and to conquer the world economically. Jews were to fulfil these commands whether they practiced their religion faithfully or not. Urban claimed that the fact that Jews were situated on different steps of “a social ladder” was not contradictory in Judaism since everything in it emerged from a materialistic spirit. He admitted that a poor communist Jew supported social justice, but when the same individual became rich, he switched and supported capitalism.65
(More on this theme)
In the article “Socialism and Judaism,” Urban characterized socialism as a well-organized and institutionalized materialistic religion with a canon of sacred books by Lassalle, Marx, and Engels. The doctrine of socialism was materialism. Urban compared debates and commentaries present in socialistic books and programs to Gemara and Mishnah.66
(Another among many Catholic Polish Theologians of the Catholic Church called Unszlicht)
For his part, Unszlicht claimed that socialism could also develop without Jews, but would never be so momentous. According to him, a Jew was simply a more natural representative of socialism than anybody else. When he remarked on the de-Christianization of laborers, he stressed the growth of the cult of synagogue. For him, socialism and Judaism became inseparable, since one hurried to help the other in the case of the slightest danger.67 Presenting Judaism as a materialistic religion was closely connected with the idea of false Jewish messianism. In his publications, Trzeciak attempted to prove that extreme socialism and communism were based on Jewish law aimed at destroying Christian civilization. He argued that Marx, as a descendant of Jewish rabbis and product of Jewish materialism, had used a Jewish-influenced exegesis to analyze politics and economics. In turn, he viewed socialism as an expression of Jewish messianic hope, whereby Jews destroyed other nations by causing their inner decay through promoting class struggle.68
https://www.amazon.com/Antisemitism-Christian-Ambivalence-Holocaust-Spicer/dp/0253348730
Touga says
I do not believe Pope Francid can be ignorant of the violence embeded in the doctrines and practice of Islam. As the highest ranking Jesuit, he is obviously very well informed about the foundational Islamic texts (the so-called Islamic Trilogy: Qur’an, Hadith and Sirah) and other scholarly works on Islam and Sharia Law.
He must be also very well informed about the 1,400 years of bloody Islamic Jihad history, as well as the 200 million +, victims of that Jihad against Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and other people and religious groups.
The Jesuits are the most intellectual, highly educated and most well informed religious order in Catholicism. They are also the warrior-priests, defenders (theological and militant), and secret agents of the Catholic Church.
So, how can he not know all there is to know about Islam? I am convinced this is all make-believe and subterfuge! He could well be a secret Islamic agent, just like Obama and the Western leaders. For how can he be so callous and insensitive to the murders of countless Catholics, other Christians and a host of other people and religous groups by Islamic Jihad presently?! How can he have the temerity to defend Islamic crimes against humanity by comparing such to a Catholic in Italy murdering his mother-in-law?!
My suspicion is that Pope Francis has made his calculations. Firstly, he knows his place is reserved in hell, so all his reward can only be here on earth. Secondly, now that Islam has surpassed Catholicism in numerical strength and thirdly, the Antichrist is about to burst upon the world stage, he must be silent about Islamic Jihad and violence, so he could use the blood of the martyrs of Islamic Jihad as a bagaining chip with the Muslims, to secure his position as the leader of the apostate Christian Church and head of the one world religion. He will therefore, become the False Prophet and partner of the Antichrist in the endtime satanic trinity rulers of the world – the Antichrist, the Beast and the False Prophet!
Oh! He will surely pay dearly for this treason against Christianity.
Alain Barchichat says
This man is sick, I mean really sick! And dangerous!
Matt Woo says
I am reminded of the words of The Supreme Being in B’Gita: “Give up all forms of religiosity and just surrender unto Me . . .”
Kay says
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/02/islamic-state-answers-pope-francis-religious-war/?
Yes, our Pope needs prayer.
Karen says
“It’s not fair”.
This is the substance your favorite 4 year old brings to most issues under discussion.
Cecilia Ellis says
Hilariously true, Karen. ?
Felix Quigley says
Touga writes just above:
” Secondly, now that Islam has surpassed Catholicism in numerical strength and thirdly, the Antichrist is about to burst upon the world stage, he must be silent about Islamic Jihad and violence, so he could use the blood of the martyrs of Islamic Jihad as a bagaining chip with the Muslims, to secure his position as the leader of the apostate Christian Church and head of the one world religion. He will therefore, become the False Prophet and partner of the Antichrist in the endtime satanic trinity rulers of the world – the Antichrist, the Beast and the False Prophet!”
Yes Touga your quote is a perfect exposition and proof that the rotting corpse of conspiracy anti-historical and anti-scientific thinking is the refuge of scoundrels. perhaps you have been reading too much Alex Jones and David Icke.
Most conspiracy promoters like Icke are doing it for money and to prop up their shaky self-esteem.
If you cannot deal with actual history as I have suggested in my two comments above on this post then you should say nothing, because YOU are the problem and as big a problem as Islam or Pope Francis