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Robert Spencer: Muslims videoing in Ohio church “suspicious in the extreme”

Aug 15, 2016 11:57 pm By Robert Spencer

Meanwhile, as churches are being cased, Church leaders are intent on reading those who call attention to the problem out of the Church.

Ascension Catholic Church

More on this story. “Saudi Arabians Videotape Inside Catholic Church, Scare Parishoners [sic],” by Richard Ducayne, Church Militant, August 15, 2016:

KETTERING, Ohio – Three Arab men were caught recording footage in Ascension Catholic Church in Kettering, Ohio Sunday, claiming they were only “studying” Christianity — but JihadWatch’s Robert Spencer is calling their behavior “suspicious in the extreme.”

The men, who were visiting their families from Saudi Arabia, had all passed background checks and, according to church authorities, simply breached “proper etiquette.”

“While their actions did arouse suspicion, we believe their actions were simply a breach of proper etiquette,” a statement on Ascension’s website read Thursday morning. “While current evidence suggests that they intended no ill will, the Kettering police and other appropriate agencies are continuing to thoroughly investigate the matter and are keeping us aware of their findings.”

Church Militant contacted Robert Spencer, director of JihadWatch.org. Spencer said that if the Saudis were really studying Christianity, “they could have approached the priest and asked him questions. They could have read books about Christianity. They could even have asked permission to videotape. That they did none of these things is suspicious in the extreme.”

Spencer highlighted that authorities, when apprehending an extremist or investigating an attack after the fact, have found that the extremists usually have videos in their possession of their intended targets.

Many jihadis have been discovered with videos of prospective target sites in their possession. The Islamic State (ISIS) has quite recently called on Muslims to attack Christians. What’s more, jihadis thrive on intimidation, striving to “strike terror into the enemies of Allah” (Qur’an 8:60) — at the very least the videotaping of the Mass would unnerve and frighten the parishioners. This incident should be treated as the intentional provocation that it clearly was.

Regarding local authorities ignoring the attack by writing it off as merely a “breach of proper etiquette,” Spencer remarked that such curious behavior should be looked at with a more wary eye.

“The phenomenon of Muslims videotaping at sensitive sites cannot be ignored by those concerned about jihad terror,” he commented to ChurchMilitant.com. “What has been passed off as innocent tourist interest includes videotaping of water treatment plants, electrical plants and other sites without plausible interest for tourists.”

Concerns have developed after ISIS earlier this month, in its propaganda magazine Dabiq, ordered its supporters who live in the West to attack more Christians.

Titled “Break the Cross,” the issue is dedicated to calling all Europeans and Westerners to “abandon their infidelity and accept Islam, the religion of sincerity and submission to the Lord of the heavens and the Earth.”…

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  1. Rob says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 12:46 am

    Taken at face value it shows an extraordinary lack of awareness. Do these people, when planning a trip to a western country, not consider even basic interpersonal or cultural differences?
    There will be many more churches than mosques.
    The Sabbath is Sunday not Friday.
    Public displays of affection are common.
    I would like to approach these men and offer them an Arabic captioned DVD of the Alpha course. If they refuse the gift I think we are looking at intimidation as the reason for the videoing.

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 2:29 am

      We must beware.

      After Hillary , Obama and the whole Democratic Party capitulated by not blaming Islam for the Orlando attack, Muslims are really feeling their oats right now.

      • Shane says

        Aug 16, 2016 at 10:39 am

        Good point, with Obama and most liberals giving Islam a pass for the actions of muslim terrorists, that must make muslim terrorists feel emboldened to attack the Kuffar.

    • Baucent says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 4:20 am

      “The Sabbath is Sunday not Friday.”

      The Jews might disagree.

      • Rob says

        Aug 16, 2016 at 4:24 am

        Not many countries where Jews outnumber Christians.

        • Christianblood says

          Aug 16, 2016 at 7:51 am

          (…Church Militant contacted Robert Spencer, director of JihadWatch.org. Spencer said that if the Saudis were really studying Christianity, “they could have approached the priest and asked him questions. They could have read books about Christianity. They could even have asked permission to videotape. That they did none of these things is suspicious in the extreme…)

          Exactly!

          It is incomprehensible that droves of barbaric Saudi jihadist muslims can still come into the US and make videos of churches and other US installations without authorization. The real enemy is the traitorous, pro-islamic establishment system that is enabling them to do this given what those same barbarous Saudis did to America on 9/1.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 16, 2016 at 8:46 pm

          “Droves”, eh? Exactly how many?

      • Myrtle Linder says

        Aug 16, 2016 at 11:53 am

        The Sabbath is the seveneth day of the week, making it Saturday.

        • J D S says

          Aug 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm

          Wonder what would have if a few or even many of the parishioners caught these people and said…. no tax break here either convert or die

        • Mark DeFord Eletion says

          Aug 17, 2016 at 9:53 am

          In France, where most of the people are Catholic, the “Sabbath” is Saturday, the seventh day of the week. Their week starts with Monday, not Sunday. Other european countries may be similar in that regard.

        • Mark DeFord Eletion says

          Aug 17, 2016 at 9:54 am

          Woops. I meant Sunday is the sabbath in France.

      • gidon giacobbe says

        Aug 16, 2016 at 4:19 pm

        Lol.. The sabbath is still the sabbath Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
        Might want to read church history – the Council of Laodicea changed the sabbath to Sunday (It wasn’t Shaul).

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Laodicea

    • particolor says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 6:40 am

      Get the Dogs out of your Country before its Too Late !!

    • Maggee McGee says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 9:12 am

      Maybe they are gonna buy the catholic church??

      • Nigel GFF says

        Aug 16, 2016 at 1:02 pm

        Or, they were looking for a land donation……(see JW 30/6/2016).

        1) Send them on their way, forthwith,
        2) Direct them to EWTN.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 10:07 am

      Definitely intimidation, Rob–but it might also be part of a plan for something *much worse*.

      From the article: “Spencer highlighted that authorities, when apprehending an extremist or investigating an attack after the fact, have found that the extremists usually have videos in their possession of their intended targets.”

      The “after the fact” is, of course, after a Jihad terror attack.

    • chanah says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 3:06 pm

      wrong the Shabat is friday a fact not Sunday show me from thescriptures where it says that tShabat is Sunday

    • Kay says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      It might be interesting to talk about how different days of the week came to be regarded as Sabbath. Perhaps even more important, is what people aim to do on the Sabbath:

      Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you directly: Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath or to do evil, to save a life or to destroy it?”

      And so we come again to the problem being Mohammedism, the supremacist ideology that does not treat people as equals, does not follow the “golden rule” and instead supports the many atrocities we read about here.

    • Vrae says

      Aug 17, 2016 at 12:27 am

      Friday is not a Sabbath for them. They do not agree with it and M. picked their day because of something about superiority or whatever.

  2. mortimer says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 12:59 am

    It’s a threat. “Turhibunna” (terrorize them) Koran 8.60. It’s a message to all Christians in the US and everywhere: “We are watching you and waiting for you to let your guard down.”

    Churches should all have contingency plans and ask those with valid handgun permits to sit near the entrances.

    • David says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 2:35 am

      A very good suggestion. Something MANY of the Church’s of my state have been doing FOR YEARS!
      Yes my friend, not all of us are: “Asleep at the switch! “

  3. Petrouchka Rising says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 1:29 am

    Suspicious indeed.

  4. boocat says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 2:09 am

    Christian-hating garbage.

  5. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 2:19 am

    Re: ” as churches are being cased, Church leaders are intent on reading those who call attention to the problem out of the Church.”

    LOL SOUNDS LIKE EVOLUTION TO ME!

    Sane parishioner:
    “Hey Reverend, those muslims look dangerously suspicious!”

    Pastor: “You RACIST! Get out of my church at once!”

    Sane parishioner: “… OK …”

    YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!

    😉

    • ensitue says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      An example of a rapid and extreme example of herd thinning

  6. Jay Boo says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 2:24 am

    Let’s all get together and visit the inside of CAIR Headquarters with video cameras in order to ‘study’ Islam.

    • Champ says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 4:40 pm

      Ahaha!! …great idea 😉

  7. Veritas says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 2:35 am

    Perhaps mosques need to be video tapped by non Muslims.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 9:38 am

      Not such a bad idea.

      Just use teeny-tiny concealed cameras and audio recorders and take them along and record the premises and the proceedings the next time the local mosque has a dawa-fest aka “Open Day” (they’ve done this sort of thing in Australia; feed people coffee and baklava and lots and lots and lots of sugar-coated nonsense-and-lies, and show them billboards covered with pretty posters captioned “Discovering Islam” [which should in fact be called “Telling Lies About Islam”].

  8. Guest says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 2:45 am

    The police should investigate their homes.. I bet they have a computer full of ISIS propaganda.

  9. Elaine McMurren says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 3:53 am

    Catholic clergy have passed willful ignorance and are now obviously on the side of the jihad. Thanks guys.

  10. mach37 says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 4:04 am

    Not clear from reading the article: was the video-taping done during a church service … during a Mass?

  11. Baucent says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 4:23 am

    Very odd behaviour from these Saudis, sounds like an attempt to intimidate.

  12. Marty says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 4:51 am

    Just try photographing a mohammedan, never mind
    videoing a mosque.
    Ask any Corsican.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 10:16 am

      Yes–when a tourist innocently photographed beach-goers, including a couple of women in “Burkinis”, Muslims attacked the Infidels there *with harpoons*:

      “Corsica: Muslims riot, burn cars, attack non-Muslims with harpoons over tourist photo”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/corsica-muslims-riot-burn-cars-attack-non-muslims-with-harpoons-over-tourist-photo

  13. Lawrence johnson says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 6:15 am

    Where were the ushers , why did they not go up to these men and chat with them?
    “Can I help you today, do you have any questions etc?”
    My uber-liberal Episcopal church takes (excessive) pride in “radical welcoming”.
    Should I see a similar group filming unnannounced in my church , I would definitely ask them what they were doing and proceed with a radical welcome as tell them to put their cameras down or leave..

  14. Son of the West says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 6:50 am

    Catholic churches typically do not have ushers outside the sanctuary during a service, and I do not think that any allow concealed carry, as this policy would probably have to be set by the diocese. That needs to change, and all Christians in America need to take steps to secure their own protection. Unfortunately, I am skeptical that the Catholic Church will take any safety measures as a whole organization, as they cannot seem to perceive the gravity of the threat.

    • Berengaria says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 10:56 am

      The Liberal Catholic Church in both America & Germany has bowed to Allah, & have no intentions to fight for Christian people of any denomination.
      Sickening to see Catholic Priests with horrid Hairy Faces. I just want to ask them: Are you Preparing for your Conversion to the Sodomite Religion of ISLAM?

    • Kay says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 11:06 am

      I think you’re probably right. I’m positive there are many individuals, but they probably could not get “official” permission or direction to guard the doors.

      It may be up to responsible individuals with carry permits to so station themselves, forgoing official permission.

  15. Angemon says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 7:36 am

    “While their actions did arouse suspicion, we believe their actions were simply a breach of proper etiquette,” a statement on Ascension’s website read Thursday morning.

    This reminds of of a joke. In pre-WWII Germany, two Jewish men are apprehended by the police. One says nothing, the other keeps demanding to know why they’re being arrested. They are judged and sentenced to death, and their demeanour doesn’t change – one doesn’t utter a word, the other one keeps demanding to know what the charges against them are. While they’re being blindfolded, he keeps shouting that he wants to know why they were arrested, what charges were levelled to them and why they were sentenced to death. The silent one finally opens his mouth and says “will you shut the hell up? You’re going to get us into trouble”.

  16. aaron morand says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 8:55 am

    yeh, yeh,…..look this type crap has been going on for years now…..we all know what it is that they are
    doing….whats not to know? I mean if the muslims/isis says we are going to destroy you we should maybe
    take them at their word…ya think? All of this namby pamby bs with “islamaphobia”….C R A P…the
    sign on the fence says BEWARE THE DOG…so ya just go ahead and open the gate and close your
    eyes (so you wont see the rotweiler making straight for your throat), as you say to yourself….Maybe
    there isn’t any dog……Maybe they were JUST curious about our religious rituals? Or, maybe they
    were just sizing up the type of explosive device needed to take out the people and the building……
    You can always say afterwards, Gee, we thought that they were just curious or…..maybe they were just
    unintentionally showing bad behavior in filiming the Mass w/o asking…..or some other BS excuse
    to get off the hook of who is to BLAME…good grief…how about and better yet why don’t you just escort their asses out of the building, contact the police and set a guard to keep them from getiing back in…
    if THEY were truly interested in the “faith” then there are other ways to find out about it without
    unneverving the parishioners….FOR PETES SAKE PEOPLE>>>LETS GET SMART HERE BEFORE
    WE HAVE ANOTHER ORLANDO OR CALIFORNIA>>>>>>>t

  17. DVult says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 8:58 am

    They cannot bring back a video of a Catholic mass to Saudi Arabia without being in severe violation of Saudi Sharia law. If they are caught with it and convicted of terrorist intent then they will be given a slap on the wrist and possibly sentenced to the local Club Jihadi terrorist rehabilitation centre where there are pool tables, air conditioning and koranic lessons. If they are convicted of sympathy for Christianity then the will be given hundreds of lashes and/or be executed.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 10:21 am

      I doubt they would take the video back to Saudi. I imagine they would go through with whatever they had planned while staying with their relatives in the US.

  18. Carlos says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 9:13 am

    The same thing is going on in south and central Florida. A retired police officer came to talk with some of us and showed us pictures of muslims caught taking pictures and/or making videos here.

    Be vigilant.

    • Kay says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 9:21 am

      Taking pictures of what?
      What did the policeman advise?

  19. Mirren10 says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 9:16 am

    What would have happened if some Christians had gone into a mosque, and videotaped the ‘service’ ?

    I think I can guess.

  20. gravenimage says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 10:02 am

    Robert Spencer: Muslims videoing in Ohio church “suspicious in the extreme”
    ……………………

    Reconnaissance.

    • Ashley says

      Aug 16, 2016 at 5:33 pm

      That was my initial thought too, Graven.

      But why scope out the church during Mass? I can only conclude the intention was to intimidate and taunt the congregants…

      You can view Catholic Masses on YouTube if that’s your bag. Catholic services are on many television channels on Sunday mornings. If these Saudis wanted to “study” the workings of a Catholic Mass, they could easily have done so without raising suspicion and making folks anxious. There is simply NO innocent explanation to videotape a live service without obtaining permission to do so.

      I do hope the authorities confiscated the video. Parishioners have a right to worship with an expectation that they will not be videotaped.

      I find this incident deeply disturbing. I wish there were a few additional details. What kind of equipment? Were these men trying to be discreet or overt in taping? Did they pan in on the priest? The parishioners? Both?

      Breaching “proper etiquette” my ass. These men were up to no good. Their intention was either to be menacing or to capture those attending/officiating a church service.

      I hope for the former, and fear the latter…

      • aaron morand says

        Aug 16, 2016 at 7:22 pm

        “deeply disturbing”?…..it just plain pisses me off and gives me heart burn….I would heartily
        suggest that this continued C R A P coming our of DCstan from the BO Mullah (hiding out as
        our President) that Islam is a religion(?) of peace IS AN OUT AND OUT LIE which makes the
        person who said it a LIAR….Hillary Clinton says we are going to continue to allow the muslim/
        islamist into this Nation….she says that to deny the muslim/islamist entry is “not who we
        are”…..the Pres. continues to accept them into our country and TELLS the governors of the
        various States where they are going to be placed within their States….I can hear the conversation…Well, Governor if you will not accept these new arrivals to our shores into your State then I will have to rethink about sending your State all of those millions we (WE?)
        have been sending you…….Now where do you suggest Governor that I send these Muslims
        …..?…..Constitution? No thanks,, says Obama I don’t use it. It gives me a headache…..WHO may I ask has said openly and without any dressing it up, that he would establish extreme vetting processes before any Muslim/Islamist attempting to enter this country is allowed in.
        DTRUMP is the O N L Y one who has consistently stayed on course with this objective…..
        ALL of the rest have stated in one form or another that they would OPEN the doors to the
        Muslim/Islamist and leave the immigration process the same or nearly so…..W A K E
        U P P E O P L E…………….HEY Mister,,father of that darling 3 year old girl…what do you
        suppose FGM will do to your prescious daughter….HEY mother of that beautiful 13 year
        old girl,,,,Do you suppose she was born to be the pin cushion and punching bag of some
        ultra religious Muslim/Islamist …..Hey Dad, father of that handsome young man just ready
        to take on life after all the years you worked with him getting him ready only to have YOU
        and HE told that he will be drafted into the army of Allah to fight the kuffar?…Forget the
        small things that you and your family enjoy,,,that is against the will of Allah….ALL of the
        things we as Citizens of this Nation enjoy are forbidden by some crazed, in-bred, dune
        dweller who is married to his 1st cousin, and things that he is going to have 72 virgin wives
        for his pleasure after he dies…….THIS IS I N S A N I T Y on the part of our Governbment
        …a government who will NOT listen to WTP who put them into their high paying, cush jobs..
        Well, what do YOU ALL suggest that we do? Settle in for four or more years of the SAME
        OLD SHIT or don’t you think that it REALLY is time for CHANGE….? VOTE TRUMP!

  21. Chris McKenna says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 11:00 am

    Where are the strong Catholic men with shotguns?

  22. Lynn in Florida says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 11:16 am

    Churches need to develop plans to defend the parishioners in case of attack. In Luke 22:36 Jesus asks his disciples if they have enough swords to defend themselves and tells them if necessary to sell their cloaks to buy swords. Christians have a duty to defend the young, the old and the weak from those who would harm them.

  23. Roger Dodger says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 11:41 am

    I’m sure the Pope and all good Katholiks will agree: it was TOTALLY and comopletely innocent….why—this is the Religion of Piece that we are talking about here! What could go wrong with this wonderful Outreach? We should thank them profusely and wash their feet and give them free benefits and Submit.

  24. Hadenough says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 11:59 am

    Enough talk, form militias and take down our enemies. We’re at war. Behave like it.

  25. chanah says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    In Denmark during Passover we held a night service at the main Church inCopenhagen and all of a sudden 10 young muslim men came in screaming allahu akbar what they didin’t know that 20 or so ex-muslims men where also at the Church service and when confronted outside the Church they started the blame gang and bla bla it was somebody else who did it, and one of them said plz don’t hurt us, the priest came locked the door and called the police

  26. Tonya Greipenweiner says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    Clearly, not enough throats are being slit.

  27. Tonya Greipenweiner says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    Gee, September 11th falls happily on a Sunday.

  28. Ashley says

    Aug 16, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    A few more details regarding this incident here:

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/arab-men-taping-kettering-church-mass-prompts-prob/nr6Xz/

  29. lisa says

    Aug 18, 2016 at 6:39 am

    it is no wonder the west is being destroyed by Muslims. SO many people are SO ignorant .. They laugh at us . They have said “we will use their Democracy against them ” . “we will overtake them by having more babies then they do .”
    “we will kill all infidels “.
    yet there are STILL Ignorant Christians that believe not all Muslims are radical.
    It doesn’t matter if ALL aren’t . 10% of just 50,000 is 5,000 !
    And Killary wants to UP the numbers by 500,000 !!

  30. yep says

    Aug 18, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    One wonders what would happen if non-Muslims started coming into Mosques to videotape. You know, to learn more about Islam. 🙂

  31. Petey says

    Aug 22, 2016 at 7:16 am

    We at work had a Police Terrorism Expert give us a presentation once and this sort of thing was exactly what we were told to watch out for, people video taping odd places where the public would naturally congregate, sounds like obama has allowed the Police in the states to be defeated by jihad

  32. Patricia A Parke says

    Aug 22, 2016 at 9:28 am

    Can I, as a woman, go into the mosque and videotape a worship and tell them I am simply studying Islam? It’s a rhetorical question because 1: women aren’t allowed the mosque proper with the men, and 2: Christians wouldn’t be allowed.

  33. firefirefire says

    Aug 22, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    It was Recon. in 1997 I was working in NJ . Took the NJTP to and from work every day right past Newark Airport. Driving home one night a car full of men swerved across three lanes of traffic to get to the break down area adjacent to the Runway. I slowed as to not crash and all the men got out and they were middle easterners. they took out a video camera and started filming take offs.I remember thinking “Who would I report it to?” I didn’t think of it again until 9/11/2001.

  34. aaron morand says

    Aug 22, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    I would not know what to do either….were the men on a sigtht-seeing excursion or what…taking chances in traffic is pretty much normal for middle easterners and life is as you know not held that highly…TODAY
    however, I would be most interested in their photographic target, the length of time they spent in the
    endeavor, where they went next, lisc. plate no., description of the men, etc.. and I would Certainly turn the info over to the police…….that is what I would do if I were in the “city”…..in my little town?…I would park right next to them and gather the above info and intimidate them by my stare and silence……..and I would
    still turn the info over to the police……..

  35. J. Bagley says

    Aug 22, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    Ascension Catholic Church in Kettering was not the only church visited by muslims according to other reports Kettering Assembly of God was another and a church in Fairborn is rumored also. Ascension was my home church when I was young and I visited it this past Sunday. I heard the story too. I heard the men were wearing dark sunglasses and when the police asked why there were there they had conflicting stories.
    When asked why Kettering??? Such a small town, I replied “Hmmm let’s see we have Wright Patterson Air Force Base close by. We have been sending planes to bomb Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. I don’t think we are on any love list by muslims. Why Ascension??? Probably because they checked the internet or phone book and picked out the first Church starting with “A”. Notice also Assembly of God??? That starts with another “A” Maybe they are planning a “diversionary tactic” who knows. Or maybe since they were young men they just get kicks out of scaring us. Only time will tell.

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