FGM is widely reputed to be a “cultural” practice, but actually it is sanctioned by Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
The Christian cleric, Vsevolod Chaplin, ought to know better. His remarks in his own defense were appalling. Why must female sexuality be reduced and not male? Female genital mutilation is a means of controlling women, dehumanizing them and reducing them to the level of mere drones. Hardly Christian values, one would think.
“Outrage in Russia after religious leaders back female genital mutilation,” by Roland Oliphant, Telegraph, August 18, 2016:
Two prominent religious leaders in Russia have provoked outrage after suggesting female genital mutilation could help reduce sexual promiscuity.
The scandal erupted on Wednesday when Vsevolod Chaplin, a former spokesman for the Russian Orthodox Church, rushed to the defence of Ismail Berdiyev, a senior Muslim cleric from Dagestan who said “all women” should be subjected to the practice to eliminate sexual depravity.
Mr Berdiyev, chairman of the Coordination Centre of North Caucasus Muslims, made the controversial comments when asked to comment on a report into the practice published earlier this week.
“All women should be circumcised so there would be no debauchery on earth, so that sexuality is minimized,” Mr Berdiyev, a prominent figure in Dagestan, told a correspondent from Interfax, a Russian news agency.
“The Almighty created woman to bear and raise children,” he added. “[Circumcision] would not affect that. Women would not stop giving birth. But there would be less promiscuity.”
He went on to clarify that although Islam does not prescribe the practice, “it is necessary to reduce female sexuality. If it was done to all women, it would be very good.”
Mr Berdiyev was commenting on a recent study that found female genital mutilation is common in remote mountain villages in Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim region in Russia’s north Caucasus.
Research by the Russian Justice Initiative, an NGO, found that in areas where the practice continues female genital mutilation tends to be carried out on girls up to three years old, without anaesthetic and often in unsanitary conditions.
The researchers said most cases they came across involved removal, or part-removal, of the clitoris and labia.
Archpriest Chaplin, one of the most prominent Orthodox priests in Russia, rushed to the mufti’s defence after outraged headlines splashed across Russian media and social networks.
“What feminist howling!” he wrote in a Facebook post defending the right of minorities to preserve religious traditions.
“Circumcising all women probably isn’t necessary. Orthodox women don’t need it because they are not promiscuous,” he wrote.
“Of course God created women to bear and raise children. Feminism is a lie of the 20th century,” he added.
Mr Berdiyev himself later said he had been misquoted….

Adrian says
Crazy primitive Russian Orthodox priest allied with crazy Islamist…
No wonder when the first printing press appeared in Moscow, the locals burned it down and Ivan Fyodorov, the printer had to escape for his life to Ukraine over the border… just part of the Russian psyche that anything Western was the work of the devil…
Peggy says
He’s probably drunk on vodka.
Like I said before, leaders of non Muslims religions aren’t doing anything more than what the Pope is doing.
The Patriarch should muzzle this idiot.
Angemon says
Transparent damage control.
Peggy says
What exactly are you saying by that?
I have put the blame on all non Muslim religious leaders before INCLUDING the Patriarch of Russia. I have never defended Russian top brass in the church. If you can find any evidence of that, go ahead.
Here is an example.
Peggy says
July 25, 2016 at 10:41 pm
Looks like Satan has all his ducks in a row now.
Not one non Muslim religious leader is speaking up against Islam.
The Pope is talking but unfortunately he’s taking us in the wrong direction. The Patriarch of Russia is silent on this issue. What is the Dalai Lama saying? What about Hindu and Sikh leaders? Anything from them?
How many Rabbis have stood up and condemned what Islam is doing?
Muslim leaders are doing plenty of talking and nobody has the guts to stand up to them.
The Pope isn’t alone in bowing down to Islam. He is just more vocal about it.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/uk-muslim-hate-preacher-who-glorifies-jihad-murder-welcomed-by-archbishop-of-canterbury
I was the only one blaming all of them.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“What exactly are you saying by that? ”
I’m saying that your damage control is blatantly obvious. Do I need to break it down for you, sentence by sentence?
“I have put the blame on all non Muslim religious leaders before INCLUDING the Patriarch of Russia. ”
The same Patriarch you seemingly expect to “muzzle this idiot”? Talk about having your cake and eating it…
Oh, by the way, good going, not abiding by your own standards. You went out of your way to virtue signal by brazenly stating that if someone asked you not to reply to their posts you would do so. I tested it by asking you not to reply to my posts. And yet here you are, replying to a post of mine.
gravenimage says
I’m not sure Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril is apt to do that, Peggy:
“West should learn from Russia to accept Muslim refugees – Patriarch Kirill”
http://www.pravmir.com/west-should-learn-from-russia-to-accept-muslim-refugees-patriarch-kirill/
“Unlike the West, which is already nervous about the arrival of refugees, Moscow alone has taken in more Muslims than the whole of Europe has done by now. And nobody in the world is aware of it. And there is no hysteria, no police, no gas, no physical clashes,” the patriarch said at a meeting with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas at his residence in Peredelkino, Moscow Region, on Thursday.
…
Of course, Patriarch Kiril is deliberately ignoring Jihad terror attacks on Russia, including the recent bombing of the Moscow airport.
He then went on to meet with Fatah terrorist Mahmoud Abbas, and praise the building of a Mosque in Moscow.
I’m afraid we find much the same sort of dhimmtude here as with the Pope and Anglican Archbishop.
Peggy says
Yes and I have made the same comment previously. I am angry at ALL the religious leaders for not resisting this evil.
I have just replied to Angemon where I stated this because it seem like he is insinuating something not true.
Anyway it’s disgusting how all these leaders are letting us down.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“I have just replied to Angemon”
After I asked you not to reply to my posts, in response to you saying that if someone asked you not to reply to their posts you wouldn’t.
“it seem like he is insinuating something not true”
In your head, may be. Of course, you don’t specify what it is that I’m allegedly insinuating – all that matters is that you say that I’m “insinuating” something not true.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Peggy–I am disgusted at how many religious leaders are playing the dhimmi. And this example is particularly egregious, since this priest is actually condoning Muslim savagery, rather than just nattering on about Islam being a ‘religion of peace’.
High Hopes says
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/dalai-lama-says-too-many-refugees-in-europe-a7058911.html
Dalai Lama has made his views clear, there are too many refugees arriving to maintain the identity of the host country. This was reported but not discussed across MSM, suprise suprise!
linnte says
Well, just GREAT. Throw THAT idea out the window- here I thought there’d be one last bastion of Islam free places to emigrate to and ya burst my bubble Graven! haahahahahaha haha! ?
J D S says
Take this muzzle out to the wood shed and circumcise him just above his Adams apple and repeat as necessary till all this rhetoric Is quelled.. Anyone mentioning Circumcision of women should undergo a Adams Apple circumcision….I can remember the time that any Muslim making such statements would just disappear never to be seen or heard of again.
Mockingjay says
I say for every muslim female who is genitally mutilated, one muslim male should be made to undergo castration – and, as with the females, also without any anaesthetic whatsoever.
Although that is of course still not the anatomical equivalence to the atrocity that’s routinely visited upon the females, the consequences for the males will be probably sufficiently dire to cure them of the genital-mutilating compulsion within a generation.
It would, at the same time, solve quite a few other world problems.
Cthulhu says
…and women in jeans cause earthquakes, immoral women cause rivers to dry up and so on. How is it possible to be so dumb in 21 century? (Homer’s voice) Stupid muslims…
George says
Don’t forget the air conditioners!
bernie says
There is a Louisiana politician who has often blamed all sorts of disasters (including floods) on homosexuals, and now it turns out that his own home has been flooded.
The term “female circumcision” is a complete fraud. It’s genital mulilation, pure and simple.
Plus, why is the obsessive onus always on women to be pure and chaste? Men are probably more promiscuous than women, on average.
Moses says
Islam,when the world is in the 21 first century they are still in the middle ages.
Champ says
“All women should be circumcised so there would be no debauchery on earth, so that sexuality is minimized,” Mr Berdiyev, a prominent figure in Dagestan, told a correspondent from Interfax, a Russian news agency.
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A sane person, with their common sense and decency still intact, reads this inane rubbish and rejects it outright. But if you think that this barbaric practice is a-ok, then guess what, you’re probably a demon possessed SOA or an enabler of evil islam: the misogynistic ‘religion’ from hell!
Peggy says
So women are promiscuous but not men. Are all these women gay?
Idiots, all of them.
Westman says
Perhaps there is a purpose for FGM that has not yet come to mind. The clear intention of FGM is to remove the pleasure/satisfaction of intimacy(sexuality minimized) and make a woman more likely to accept a non-intimate, unequal role in marriage.
FGM is also a barrier to keep Infidels from considering marriage to Muslimas. Why would any normal, sane, Infidel male desire a relationship, as equals, with someone who cannot share in physical intimacy?
For a supremist-thinking Muslim male, FGM presents no problem because he already thinks of a perspective wife as an inferior servant due to Islam’s Ideology. After all, did not the “prophet” say that women were the majority in Hell?
linnte says
Excellent perspective Westman. You are right.
eagle says
Allowing Obama to invade America with this Muslim excrement will expand Sharia Law in every community. Voting for Hillary will fulfill Obama’s legacy and soon every woman in America will have to be subjected to this insanity. The Muslim culture needs to be removed from America. We need to force congress to start passing bills that would reclassify the Muslim Culture as a Hate organization along with CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood. The NWO and One World Government (OWG) is about to take over in November should Hillary get elected. Keep an eye on our Muslim president, he may be thinking about another executive order or Martial Law should Hillary not win the election so to fulfill his agenda.
gravenimage says
Infidels are not supposed to marry Muslimahs, anyway–not unless they convert to Islam.
Keys says
A sane person with common sense and decency, indeed, Champ.
I am convinced it’s their funny hats that make them say these things.
As an illustration, in the photo, between Putin and the pomp wearing the Monarch butterfly chrysalis, airbrush Karnak the Magnificent and nothing seems amiss.
?
Champ says
“I am convinced it’s their funny hats that make them say these things.”
lol!! …and that one hat is rather *hypnotic* and so sparkly, Keys! 😀
Tommy says
All women are beautiful and should remain beautiful!
Dom107 says
All women are beautiful ?? Do live in the same planet as Angela Merkel ???
My Opinion says
Seems to me that men are just as susceptible to promiscuity, so by their very reasoning, men should be neutered as well…wah LAH, no sexually promiscuity at ALL. I mean, why should men enjoy the physical pleasure of intercourse, women could be artficially inseminated for the purpose of bearing children.
And, by their reasoning God and allah made a mistake that MAN must correct…isn’t that blasphemy and, therefore, punishable by death? This I could support where these stupid men are concerned…
The renegade says
By their own beliefs where they say humans are God’s best creation, their now saying that God didn’t do a good job because of which male and female genitalia needs more tailoring after they are born into this world. Making God imperfect!
This is how we are born… for God’s sake! It is not something which you cut off like hair, nails etc. that will grow back! Each person after being born deserves to choose what they do with their bodies.
Whoever asks for this, specially those male priests, need to cut off top tip (not foreskin) of their male reproductive organs, engage in copulation without it. Once they do that will they know how it feels to be a woman who has lost her sense of pleasure in this activity after FGM.
I hope these priests rot in hell on earth before they die and also after.
Blind faith in people is the most dangerous of all human pursuits…. which ultimately leads to disaster.
God has given us a brain and a conscience to reason and to know right from wrong. Each individual must choose to exercise this rather than merely relying of some one else’s ideas or ideology or religion.
Westman says
Well said, renegade.
Allan says
Blind faith in people is carried to a pernicious extreme in populist political systems. Fortunately, such systems often warn you of the great danger ahead with phrases such as “We the People”.
Lynette says
How right you are!!
Angemon says
O Christianblood, where art thou?
Adrian says
LOL
Angemon says
Also, his side-kicks, “Ex-muslim”, “t.” and that one professional victim player. I suspect we’ll near nothing from them on this story – were this taking place in, let’s say, Germany and the Christian in question was a Protestant or Catholic, they’d be here by now, telling us how terrible and islamophilic the West allegedly is.
Adrian says
just shows how thin the veneer on Xt-blood’s agenda really is… a transparent use of anti-jihad to propagandize for Papa Putin
gravenimage says
Yeah–I was just wondering the same thing. “Christianblood” is always on about how Catholics and Protestants are not real Christians and how only the Eastern Orthodox Church will stand up to Islam, and then we see *this* disgusting piece.
As dhimmified as many churches are in the West, I could *never* imagine them holding forth on the benefits of Muslims mutilating women. *Ugh*.
Peggy says
I’ve said it a few time before. The Pope is more vocal than the rest but none of the non Muslims religious leaders are speaking against Islam.
Where is the Patriarch to silence this DH?
Champ says
Angemon, check out this thread where Marc warned “Christianblood” today about going off-topic:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/cnn-turns-to-hard-left-hate-group-southern-poverty-law-center-to-define-sharia/comment-page-1#comment-1505304
*Perhaps* he is laying low now.
Angemon says
Perhaps. It’s worth pointing out that they made themselves scarce on the topic about the original statement made by the muslim cleric in question:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/russia-muslim-leader-defends-fgm-after-its-discovered-in-dagestan
I’d bet my last cent that they would stay away from this topic as if it were the plague anyway.
gravenimage says
Russia: Muslim cleric says “all women should be circumcised”
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Just sickening. And that a high-ranking figure in the Russian Orthodox Church seconded this Muslim barbarian is unconscionable.
Adrian says
“high ranking” figures in the Russian Orthodox Church were always extensions of the political powers – many were KGB, including the present Kirill
Thomas says
I wonder if Hillary’s ready for her makeover (or would that be make-under)?
Are you?
It’s coming here folks, as sure as hell; unless you stop it!
gravenimage says
“All women should be circumcised so there would be no debauchery on earth, so that sexuality is minimized,” Mr Berdiyev, a prominent figure in Dagestan, told a correspondent from Interfax, a Russian news agency.
………………………….
Notice what this Muslim cleric *doesn’t* consider debauchery–child marriage, polygamy, raping Infidel women as part of Jihad, and keeping sex slaves. All of these things are sacralized under Islam, and the Muslim male who indulges in them all is still considered “chaste”. *Ugh*.
marina says
I can understand the evil Muslim cleric saying that. He is the satan incarnate. But a Christian cleric rushing to defend him ??? Not sinking in my head.
Peggy says
I won’t say they are all disgusting because there are fine representatives of other religions but the pool is well and truly polluted.
Time for Orthodox bishops who are still sane, Catholic Bishops who are still sane and the others to speak up.
Should we hold our breath?
gravenimage says
There *are* a few Christian clerics of various denominations speaking out against this insanity–all too few, though.
Berengaria says
We’re sitting here mute, while Christendom is being annihilated in front of our eyes.
I knew, when the Faux Pope Francis grabbed power in his greedy hands, & sashayed into the UN, the Jig was up.
katherine says
Now here’s something puzzling me – I still haven’t figured out how someone as well-informed as Putin could place the Quranic teachings under legal protection after attempts in an eastern republic to link the book to violence.
He wanted to protect all official religions from persecution apparently, but doesn’t that put him in the same category as pope Francis who keeps insisting Islam is a religion, and a peaceful one at that. Is Putin also as ignorant as the rest or is there an invisible game somewhere?
Bezelel says
http://debka.com/article/25613/Rushed-evacuation-of-US-nukes-from-Incirlik
I believe there is a not quite invisible game going on.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid Putin has been pretty inconsistent in his recognition of the threat of Islam.
abad says
Muslims are the most sexually hung-up people on the face of the earth – way more so than the Roman Catholic Church.
Further proof that Islam has nothing to offer to benefit the human race. Never has, never will.
Bezelel says
I know this is a sore subject to the ladies and with good cause. The very idea of fgm is sickening as it is and the history of it from concept to present is beyond me. I cannot imagine how the practice ever caught on. Promiscuity evidently doesn’t involve polygamy, rape and beastiality or child molesting. And I can’t help but wonder does fgm also include their goats, donkeys and other livestock? It is even considered acceptable for a muslim to have sex with his dead wife.
TJ says
The Almighty obviously gave ladies the clitoris to increase their pleasure during sex. God’s gift of a clitoris to them makes it much better to be a woman. These wicked men are attacking something God created, which makes them a blasphemer. These perverts deserve to be permanently separated from the human race.
Jay Boo says
A silly hat and a girly man-dress makes some vain pious wizards believe they are God’s appointed thugs.
WorkingClassPost says
The quicker that islam gets exposed for the heap of cowdung that it is, the better it will be for everyone.
Meantime, it serves a valuable purpose in drawing out the evil, ignorant and corrupted shits that we, in the rest of the world, have living among us.
Troybeam says
So people are finally waking up to this and the fact that it is Mohammad’s way of demeaning all women, take away sexuality does not equal one being faithful. This was meant to ensure women feel only the pain of first intercourse and then childbirth. This declaration by Mohammad insured women of Muslim following only know pain, suffering of chronic infections as well for those subject to this procedure.
Kay says
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
(That is a scream. I don’t know how to spell the sound.)
One thing– circumcision refers to removing male foreskin.
What is done to females in any of its forms is simply mutilation!
I never thought a Christian of any stripe would advocate such mutilation. It’s horrific abuse, sanitation aside.
Uh, so if he was misquoted, what did he say?
BC says
The sole purpose of FGM is to remove the ability of women to enjoy sex. I am not surprised the Orthodox
arch priest would support it as the church has always been anti sex and sought to control it as much as possible. If you read about how the RC church at the height of its power in the middle ages invented so many rules and regulations on what people could do in the private lives, along with the threat of eternal damnation of course. The similarities between that and what Islam today does is quite noticeable
Jay Boo says
Clever segue BC
Too bad you had to ruin it with one of your typical cheap false equivocations.
Just another load of BS from BC.
Joanne says
“All women should be circumcised so there would be no debauchery on earth, so that sexuality is minimized,” (said) Mr Berdiyev.
While I have never attempted surgery on anyone, nor have any medical training, I will be happy to try my hand at female genital mutilation on Mr. Berdiyev. I promise to use unsterile knives and will tie him up rather than use any pain killers – like most women who receive the “gift” of a FGM have to endure.
The eradication of debauchery in the world can start with him. Hell, I’ll even perform his FGM free of charge.
LR says
Hahaha…
Ciudadano says
But, but, but, Islam respects and honors women, doesn’t it? At least that’s what Islam apologist use to say…
Kay says
I guess once you wrap your mind around cutting off one body part, it gets easier to cut off hands . . . or heads. Despicable!
Guest says
I only read a few lines about this guy and I already want to kill him
Kathy says
Men are the ones that are promiscuous, NOT women! They are the ones that sexually attack and rape women and even children. Women can live without sex, men can’t. So, does it mean that men should be all castrated?
It is all about CONTROL – in this case, these sick men have a goal to totally control the women.
Islam should be banned everywhere!
LR says
“Sure, some women are very promiscuous…
I agree with your FGM solution, only when we first castrate all the promiscuous men out there. Especially those bastards that cheat on their wives.
How about that Berdiyev?”
That is all that stupid Chaplin had to say, if he had half a brain.
Ugh!
vcragain says
Oh please make me overseer of these guys – p-l-e-a-s-e !!!!! We could solve this problem so quickly – they want females ‘cut’ – then let their parts be (painfully) cut too – I have an idea – make most men eunuchs – and then we just keep a few ‘real men’ around for when us girls get the ‘urge’ ! – don’t like me daring to say this ? that is how I respond when ‘real men’ get into this subject as tho we females don’t exist on the planet – I would like personally to be the one issuing the punishment to all of them – let me get at ’em ! I lost my respect for many of this planet’s males quite a few years back – except of course for my darling sons & grandsons who have not yet been besmirched by male ignorance………. Grrrr !!!!
Iftikhar Ahmad says
Female “circumcism pre-dates Islam among certain Arabic and African tribes, and still exists among those surviving tribes as well as Islam. Check your hadiths and you’ll find Mohammed cursing a Meccan as “son of a clitoris cutter.”
FGM is nothing to do with Islam. It was a common practice even before the advent of Islam in Africa and in some tribes in the Middle East
What’s the point of the legal age being 16 when you are being taught at school that it’s ok as long as you practice safe sex. Nothing about love, respect, serious relationships or more importantly abstinence! Oh and something needs to be done about BOYS, too! Girls can’t be the only ones responsible for resisting pressure you know. More sex education in schools = more teenage pregnancies= more abortions. One of the problems is that now in schools we are taught safe sex at an early age, and not abstinence. The message was basically that sex at a young age is fine as long as it’s practiced safely. It should be taught that at such a young age, neither protected or unprotected sex is ok. The message is simply not clear enough.
The rising numbers of girls having under-age sex is alarming. It is not a cost-free phenomenon. It poses public health policy challenges and social challenges. The underlying cause must be the purification of British culture and the increasing sexualisation of pre-adolescent girls. Sex education in many schools has had the effect of breaking down the natural inhibitions of children with regard to sexual conduct, and the age of consent is rarely enforced, so young people no longer have any fear of legal proceedings. On top of that, the ready availability of contraception means that a girl’s fear of pregnancy is no longer considered a good enough reason for rejecting her boyfriend’s advances, and confidentiality policies mean that a girl need not worry about what her parents would think about her being sexually active, obtaining contraception, being treated for a sexually transmitted infection or even having an abortion, because they don’t have to be told.
Although Britain’s teenage pregnancy rates have recently started to fall, they still remain among the highest in Europe. In 2009, there were 38,259 pregnancies in girls under 18 compared with 41,361 in 2008, a decline of 7.5 per cent. Every year around 3,700 girls under 16 have an abortion. There is concern that society is becoming increasingly ‘sexualised’. When children are taught at age 8-10 that sex is a fun thing that two people do when they “love” each other what do we expect!!! And if the sex education people in schools have their way this will continue to rise.
This message is to all the girls who think its ok to sleep around, have one night stands and think….do I really need to be used as a public toilet, letting men dump their load and zip up without saying thanks. Please have some respect for yourself and buck up your morals. It’s degrading, end of..
AS A father or MOTHER IT IS MY DUTY to teach the sacred nature of chastity. Promiscuity will be the downfall of our nation.There is nothing of greater worth than the chastity of a man or woman. Bring back and encourage virtue into our homes and we will bring back honour and integrity . Also les pressure on STD clinics which are rife with appointments each day. Male circumcision — a medical procedure in both Judaism and Islam that has nothing to do with female genital mutilation or “female circumcision,” which is not required by the Koran, and which has no medical benefits, only medical liabilities — could well be the latest victim of misguided political correctness, despite massive medical evidence that male circumcision is “cleaner,” meaning that the area involved becomes less prone to harbouring infections and transmitting diseases. British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
IA
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
Troybeam says
By all means return to an Islamic country stop invading nations that are not Islamic for we do not want your culture in our nation with its absurd rules, laws and nasty ways.
Mary says
The Bible teaches that we are not to have sex outside of marriage. Marriage is between one man, and one woman…for life.
Looking at most everyone in western societies these days, it is extremely obvious they have left the faith of their fathers a long time ago. Christian morals aren’t taught, let alone lived. To be honest, I was really shocked the first time I met a British Christian, I didn’t think there were any left. I do not blame you for your disgust at the west, but I present to you…your people are no better.
On the surface the Islamic way almost seems better….but just a little investigation reveals it is just as debauched as the (mostly) God-less west.
-weekend marriage contracts… (Don’t deny this, I know it to be true.)
-multiple wives… leading to jealous rivalries and other issues (while this is also recorded in the Bible, it is not recommended.)
-women for babies, boys for ecstasy… (The birds fly over Kandahar with only one wing. Feel free to google that.) If women weren’t so damaged, they and their husband could enjoy each other. Partially due to fgm, husbands who cannot stand their wives being in pain…turn to wrong places for pleasure.
-Binge drinking… (Please don’t claim you are all better than this, did you know that many Saudis go to Bahrain for the weekends? I’ll let you guess why. Also lots of Russian/Eastern European women there..poor girls. Kuwaitis smuggle in, or brew their own… ISIS takes booze as ransom for releasing captives.)
-Abortion… No excuse for this. I don’t know what statistics are on this, but I understand that a Muslim girl who is raped is killed for having been attacked. One hell after another… how is this better? Shouldn’t the child that results from this be welcomed anyway? Aren’t all children gifts from God? Wouldn’t it be more humane to offer to adopt the unborn child, rather than stone the mother???
I cannot blame you at all for feeling the west is debauched. It is true. As for your comments about the educational system deliberately setting children up for a lifetime of pain and regrets…yes true again. None of this entitles you to claim Islam is the best way…no-one is allowed to worship Jesus Christ of Nazereth under Islamic rule, this directly contradicts the Injil, Matthew 16:16-17, and the 22nd chapter of the Zabor/Psalms where it appears God calls himself the Crimson grub. (Look up the life-cycle) Your imams say that Jesus was a prophet…this obligates you to read his words. If you get yourself a red-letter edition of the King James Version Bible, you can find his words easily. He did prophesy…even his own death and resurrection.
You sound as though you are seeking closeness with the living God…. I’ll pray for you, that you will be able to have that relationship.
Ella says
“Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods.”
No, they don’t need anything ‘state funded.’ You want only Islam taught to your kid? Go back to where you came from if you don’t have any INTENTION of assimilating to a country that has bent over backwards to make you people ‘believe’ that you deserve extra-special treatment from a government (re taxpayers) that has never ‘owed’ you a scintilla of anything. And that IS your big problem: entitlement minded. Just because you showed up one day doesn’t mean anyone has to do anything for you and should actually make it a point to stay as far away from you as possible. I mean, none of us knows what kid of crap you’ve got strapped under your clothes. Sorry, but the behavior of your fellow travelers makes you seem pretty sketchy, too. The other problem is that instead of blaming THEM, you blame people who have nothing to do with your idiotic, willful destruction. That’s right, many don’t respect you, nor should they. When your ‘culture’ grows up some day, if ever, then maybe you might start saying things that actually sound rational.
England is NOT your home and never will be, so leave if you’re so bloody unhappy. Nobody’s forcing you to stay. Just stop whining so much. You’ve already got waaaaay more than you were ever entitled to in the first place.
Manuele says
Russia: Muslim cleric says “all women should be circumcised”
Oh YEAH? I SAY THAT THESE SO CALLED CLERIC/IMAM MUST REALLY HATE THEIR MOTHERS. FIRST, THEY DEMANDS THAT THEIR WOMEN COVER THEIR WHOLE FREAKING FACES AND BODIES. NOW THEY WANT WOMEN TO BE CIRCUMCISED? NOW THIS SHITHEAD WANTS DONE TO ALL WOMEN? I AM LAUGHING AT THEM AND THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARDS WOMEN. THIS TELLS THE WHOLE WORLD THAT ONLY THE MUSLIM MEN (CLERICS/IMAM) WILL ENJOY HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN/WOMEN WHICH MEANS USED AND ABUSED. WHERE ARE THE WOMEN’S RIGHTS GROUPS AT? THE LIBERALS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE DEFENDERS OF WOMEN. THE UNITED NATIONS/UNESCO ARE? OH, I JUST REMEMBER, THESE ORGANISATIONS ARE ACTUALLY CONTROLLED BY MUSLIMS AND THE LEFTIES.I SAY THE WOMEN SHOULD RISE UP AND START ACTING AND REVOLT AND FIGHT FOR THEIR FREEDOM.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Circumcision = cutting off the foreskin, which tends to make men less sensitive to sexual pleasure cuz the glans is exposed to more rubbing inside the underwear. “Circumcision” of women = cutting off, or, properly put in terms of medical science, “lopping off”, the clitoris, which renders a woman incapable of orgasm. The equivalent of cutting off a man’s penis. Language. It ain’t that hard. But the Moslems struggle with it. And Moslimas get lopped thousands of times a day. Praise Allah. Like Prez Barack Hussein and Hillary say, and as Prez Dubya said, Islam is one of the world’s great religions. I’d dispute that. But meanwhile, lop lop chop chop. Where are the feminists in all this? Silent. What little courage they may have had got lopped and chopped somewhere along the line.
mortimer says
The comment of is revealing of the hatred of women that is normative in Islam: ““All women should be circumcised so there would be no debauchery on earth, so that sexuality is minimized.”
The defense of Islamic misogyny by Vsevolod Chaplin is unconscionable: ““Circumcising all women probably isn’t necessary. Orthodox women don’t need it because they are not promiscuous,” he wrote.
Archpriest Chaplin’s comment implies that clitoris removal is, in fact, ‘necessary’ among Muslim women. This is very demeaning and insulting both to women and our intelligence.
duh swami says
FGN is the mark of the beast…Apologies to ‘The Beast’ Brock Lesnar’…as far as I know Brock is not a Muslim cleric…
And Eve said to the Beast,,,’Don’t ouch my junk’…And the Beast said,’ Your junk’? ” What makes you think you own anything? Your junk is my junk,,,and I will put my mark on you so everyone will know you are mine…
Dom107 says
The stupidity and weirdness of many members of the human race knows no bounds !!
No wonder ET avoids the planet !!
Pong says
“All women should be circumcised”…
There hasn’t been sexual revolution, making any impact on men’s sexual behavior. 20th century gave women freedom from established morality and as a result freedom from religion, freedom from the family and freedom from the children. Since the introduction of the contraceptive pill, female promiscuity became not only a normal behavior, but accepted norm by society. It is very difficult today to find an individual, who would deny a woman a sexual freedom. It is so deep in the people’s mind, that even those, who like to think about themselves as deeply religious individuals, do not allow themselves a second look at the problem. And the problem it is.
Few would argue that introduction of the pill, coincided in the west with destruction of the family, low birthrate and spread of leftist ideology. Female promiscuity has been advocated by the communists, who understood the destructive force it can carry for the society.
FGM is not something one would advocate as a solution to rebuilding a society, but though it can be regected as a practice, one must try to understand the reason behind it. Men don’t need FGM to control women. For centuries, in christianity women had been controlled without it. Is such control needed? Unfortunately, yes. Putting male and female sexuality at the same level and consider both equal in all respect is totally wrong. We are paying price for doing it. People, advocating sexual equality, should realize who else doing that. Who we aggree with and if we are in the company of those, with whom we disagree on other issues, may be we have to look at it again.
As always, one can see “experts” popping up with opinions on the subject they know nothing about. FGM and circumcision are totally different. Try to remember that an opinion breeds ignorance. I would be quite happy to debate anybody on all aspects of circumcision, but only if such person have proper credentials.