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Australia’s PM warns against “seeking to demonize or denigrate all Muslims”

Sep 17, 2016 2:06 pm By Robert Spencer

Turnbull is repeating a common Leftist/Islamic supremacist talking point: that to discuss how jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and make recruits among peaceful Muslims is “tagging all Muslims with the crimes of a few.” Turnbull also doubtless has in mind Trump’s proposed moratorium on Muslim immigration, which in the Left’s view is punishing all Muslims for the crimes of a few, although no one has come up with any plan for distinguishing jihadis from peaceful Muslims.

Turnbull also repeats another increasingly common talking point when he says: “Seeking to demonize or denigrate all Muslims or seek to alienate all Muslims and suggest they’re somehow not part of Australia, or shouldn’t be in Australia, is exactly what the extremists and terrorists are saying to the Muslim community.”

No one is actually seeking to demonize or denigrate all Muslims. I’ve been accused for years of saying that all Muslims are terrorists or terror sympathizers; no one has yet produced a quote from me to substantiate this claim, but it is nonetheless often made, because the claim itself is actually an attempt to discredit foes of jihad terror.

But Turnbull’s talking point here is that to speak honestly about the jihad threat is “playing into the hands” of jihadis. The idea is that saying that Muslims shouldn’t be in Australia will make Muslims who are in Australia think they’re not welcome, and lead them to join terror groups. It doesn’t seem to occur to Turnbull that if that is really what they would do, then they didn’t really have much of a problem with the terror groups in the first place — and that itself is problematic.

Turnbull’s formulation of this point is just a slightly more sophisticated version of what London Mayor Sadiq Khan said: “We play straight into the hands of those who seek to divide us, of extremists and terrorists around the world, when we imply that it is not possible to hold Western values and to be a Muslim.” Khan’s statement assumes that Muslims will be more likely to join jihad terror groups because of what we say and don’t say, and so does Turnbull’s. In Turnbull’s world, as in Khan’s, we have to watch what we say, because saying the wrong thing will drive Muslims to jihad. It’s all up to us. The idea that Muslims might join jihad groups for reasons of their own that have nothing to do with what we do or don’t do doesn’t occur to them. It’s always the Infidel’s fault, and the Infidel’s responsibility.

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“Aussie PM warns colleagues against ‘demonizing’ Muslim-Australians in Parliament,” Xinhua, September 16, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):

CANBERRA, Sept. 16 (Xinhua) — Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has warned Parliamentary colleagues that going out of their way to ostracize Muslims is ‘playing into the hands’ of extremist terror groups such as Islamic State (IS)….

“Tagging all Muslims with the crimes of a few is fundamentally wrong and it’s also counter-productive,” Turnbull told Macquarie Radio on Friday.

“Seeking to demonize or denigrate all Muslims or seek to alienate all Muslims and suggest they’re somehow not part of Australia, or shouldn’t be in Australia, is exactly what the extremists and terrorists are saying to the Muslim community.”

Turnbull’s comments come after controversial One Nation Senator Pauline Hanson took aim at Australia’s immigration policy. she called for a ban on Muslin immigration to Australia as the nation is at risk of being “swamped” by those of Islamic faith.

She was later joined by lower House MP George Christensen who questioned why some factions of the Islamic society are hesitant to embrace “Australian vales”.

“Why did they choose to come to Australia in the first place?” Christensen said in Parliament on Thursday.

“It is not necessary to travel halfway around the world to come to Australia and demand that Australians change their culture, their society and their laws to match those of their former homeland.”…

“We are the most successful multi-cultural society in the world, Australian Muslims are part of that successful multicultural society,” Turnbull told Macquarie Radio on Friday.

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  1. Mong says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    Yeah we shouldn’t demonise Muslims. We shouldn’t demonise anybody. By the way, I’ve just had a revelation from god which outlines a new faith, within which, woman are owned by men, gays must be killed, non adherents are to be subject to discriminatory taxation and forced to live as second class citizens, thrives are to subjected to amputation, adulteres killed and so on. Will I be demonised by the government? Of course I will because they won’t like the above. However Islam is old so everything’s fine.

    • Kay says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 2:39 pm

      Exactly. And since it claims to be Abrahamic then the ignorant treat it like an eastern Christianity (all the while ignoring eastern Christians).

    • Demsci says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 4:54 am

      I get your point, Mong.

      we can theorize about it; Say, there springs into being a “Tolkien religion” or “Harry Potter-religion”. Opponents might point to evidence of “fabrication” and “absence of evidence for truth”,

      But the same goes for Islam!!! What with all the historical and critical discoveries and arguments gathered by now against Islam being True revelation.

      No body in politics is bothered by that, the public at large isn’t, the Muslims, in vast majority, don’t care for any proof themselves.

      Well, then, even if the “followers” of Tolkien or Harry Potters, or other games, don’t really believe in it, they can claim all the same considerations Muslims claim.

      They can still mold their “mythology” in some “Democratic way” and start competing with the Muslims, for adherents, political power, and above all, tolerance and respect! In equal high, or otherwise equal low, level!

      And when Tolkinists copy Islamic strategies (not tenets) and get blamed for bad deeds, why, the rest of Tolkinists can conveniently condemn them; saying this has nothing to do with Tolkinism”, this is inspired by enemies of Tolkinism!

      We can experiment in this way, copying all those succesful Islamic strategies (not tenets, can’t we?

    • Demsci says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 4:57 am

      Like we can sarcastically parrot Turnbull above with:

      Oh, it is wrong, dangerous, counterproductive to “paint Tolkinists with the same brush”, it plays into the hands of the radical Tolkinists”, the ones with the bad ideas according to some politicians.

  2. Kay says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    “tagging all Muslims with the crimes of a few” — This is the most frequent argument I hear for not standing against O’s crazy immigration policies, not voting for Trump, not objecting to the violent crimes perpetrated by Mohammedens, and for remaining ignorant about world affairs and the teachings of Islam. In short, the most common argument I hear from progressives.

    I have not found a good or helpful comeback. The best suggestion I’ve heard is to suggest they read the Koran. They aren’t going to do that; they won’t even look at one page of TROP.

    Any suggestions anyone?

    • خَليفة says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 4:57 pm

      Within Islamic doctrine, anyone who has helped fight against Islam is subject to retaliation – id est, if you helped fight Islam in any way, say by paying your income tax to the government which in turn pays soldiers to fight in any Muslim country, then it is open season to kill you – and that means any Muslim, from any country has islamic justification for killing you. Muslims blame all Christians for the acts of any Christian perpetrated at any point in time, ( which includes the crusades )

      I don’t recall the verse/reference – there was an old article that explained it

    • JAR says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      Hi, Kay-

      A lot of people will not be convinced by rational arguments anyway. Save yourself the trouble.
      They will be content with their “bread and circuses” until the Islam problem finally affects their own community, and even then, they may go on to accept their politicians who say that they’ll just “have to get used to it.”
      David Wood has some excellent, brief videos to answer the sheeple. Here’s a recent one, which also touches on your question:

    • Jewcat says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 3:40 am

      Kay I’ve found the M&Ms comparison helpful. If you had a big bowl of M&Ms and you knew that only a few of them were poisoned, would you still hand the bowl around to your kids or visitors?

    • Demsci says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 5:11 am

      Well, Kay, I recognise your problem and endorse your analysis.

      And, we can only experiment, but something is afoot, the public at large is, in polls, making politicians like Trump, Wilders, even Marine Le Pen, in Germany AFD, and the list goes, more popular.

      In the past and still present; We counterjihadist, perceived either a grave threat to our Western Democratic society, or at least a group of people with anti-democratic laws, tenets, values and leanings. And we did our utmost to put on the agenda attention to this problem and effective action against it.

      But the public at large remained very tepid, and the political correct politicians felt no urge, need, to respond. And when they did respond, they had no reason to respond favorably.

      Now this seems to be changing with the popularity of the so-called (in political correct view) of “far-right politicians”

      The public stirs, it’s mood changes, and the Political Correct politicians, media seem to become perturbed, worried, defensive and very hostile to the “far right politicians”.

      And we now have the pressure on both sides of the argument; yes, we feel pressure from Islam, but they, the other side, feels pressure from the “far right politicians”. Now the playing field is more even.

      In response to your examples:
      “tagging all Muslims with the crimes of a few” — This is the most frequent argument I hear for not standing against O’s crazy immigration policies, not voting for Trump, not objecting to the violent crimes perpetrated by Mohammedens, and for remaining ignorant about world affairs and the teachings of Islam.””””

      It is US that can now say:

      “Do not tag all followers of far-right politicians with the crimes of few”. Do not vote for followers of Muhammad, who is at least as bad as Trump, do not object to any bad deeds perpetrated by followers of Trump, remain ignorant about world affairs and the teachings/ sayings of Trump and the far-right politicians”.

      Now, when the public opinion stirs, and is changing in our favor, it may be pay-back time, any and all times when political correct politicians, media or friends, colleagues and neighbors bring up themselves this topic and DARE to criticize specifically Donald Trump, Geert Wilders, their sayings, attitude, their followers.

  3. ECAW says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    If there are effective tactics I haven’t found them. Looking back over the last 3 years since I started with all this, I realise that I haven’t been able to induce even one of my friends and family to enquire for themselves, bizarrely not even those who agree that Islam is a deadly threat to the West. There’s always a reason not to make the effort. Dispiriting isn’t it?

    • ECAW says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 3:06 pm

      That was in response to Kay.

    • Demsci says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 5:29 am

      Oh, you are quite right, and the same goes for me. And really, I tried.

      But, but, but … let us think, strategize. We were ignored, or if answered “paralyzed, marginalized”, weren’t we? “The other side” was confident to ignore us and to defend/ protect Islam, Muhammad, their followers, the Muslims in all instances, using endless tu quoque reasonings, comparisons,presentation of proofs, but then also discarding, not acknowledging any presented proof. Didn’t they?

      Though some kind of luck, or at last a reaction to both Islamic attitudes and atrocious deeds, and our protests, there now arise so-called “far-right politicians and movements”.

      And the leftists, and centrists, and Christian-Democrats, and sundry persons and organisations now react to these “far right politicians”, who are on our side.

      I hope that it is only now, now Islam-helpers, Muslim-helpers feel the pressure, that we can counter any and all criticism on “far right politicians” in the same way they themselves eternally ignored us or responded with arrogant dismissal and often well meant moral relativism.

      If they defend Muhammad, Islam, Muslims so much and paralyze our protests,

      OKAY, let us now defend the far-right politicians, as reasonable or unreasonable as we can, as they certainly weren’t reasonable with us all the time.

      Let us now paralyze the political corrects criticisms, disapprovements, warnings, opposition to the so-called “Far right politicians and organisations, like Trump, Wilders, Alternatieve fur Deutschland, EDL etc.

      • ECAW says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 10:46 am

        The knee-jerk linking of nationalist with far-right is nonsense. Here is something which might reach a few, a scheme which adds an authoritarian/libertarian axis to the right/left one which should apply to economic outlooks:

        http://www.politicalcompass.org/

        Marine lePen’s Front National are left of centre for instance

  4. Mark A says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    “We are the most successful multi-cultural society in the world, Australian Muslims are part of that successful multicultural society,” Turnbull told Macquarie Radio on Friday.

    And the only way to ensure the continued success of this multi-cultural society is to prevent a supremecist culture like Islamism from taking it over or subverting it.

    • Charli Main says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 3:36 pm

      Indeed. There is NOTHING multicultural or diverse about Islam

      One of the fundamental objectives of Islam is to destroy multiculturalism and diversity and replace those things with one world government, one world legal system and one world religion.

    • JMB says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 5:26 pm

      We have it constantly rammed down our throats that we are the most successful multicultural nation in the world. That is very debatable, but under our racial vilification laws we are not allowed to debate this.

      I see very little evidence of the success of this diverse culture. I see once white suburbs that are now crime zones dominated by an evil looking mosque. I also see the the ethnic crime and total domination of some parts Sydney by the Chinese. I see non-English speakers dragging down standards everywhere particularly the health care sector. I see migrants getting all the jobs our school leavers should be getting under “targets for diversity programs”. I see white flight from suburbs taken over by ethnic groups.

      We also see too much Muslim crime which includes high profile terror cases. I continue also to see endless excuses for this crime, everything from mental illness to “he is just a kid who got radicalised”.

      Apparently 80% of Australians have no time for multiculturalism but we are not allowed to say so and in the meantime it will continue to be rammed down our kids throats from day one at infants school.

      • Louise M. says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 12:13 am

        JMB (also Infidel)
        I just discovered the work of Dr Frank Salter, an Australian scientist who has studied the impacts of mosques in Australian neighbourhoods
        and the social cost of diversity.

        http://socialtechnologies.com.au/junge-freiheit-interview-social-costs-of-diversity/

        http://socialtechnologies.com.au/a-general-social-impact-assessment-of-mosques-in-australian-neighbourhoods/

        Are these studies well known in Australia ? Do they help Ms Hanson and those who share her concerns make their points ?

        • ECAW says

          Sep 18, 2016 at 4:53 am

          Thanks for these Louise. How strange it is to come across a social scientist whose brains haven’t fallen out.

          One thing he doesn’t mention is the reproductive decline of the indigenous populations of the West. Personally I believe that effective contraception has been at the centre of the civilised nations problems starting two or three generations ago. What looks like a good thing sometimes turns out to be disastrous in the long run doesn’t it?

        • Louise M. says

          Sep 18, 2016 at 12:41 pm

          Thank you ECAW.
          Dr Salter does not speak about contraception…I respect your opinion, even if I do not share it… Without effective contraception, our poor planet will be overloaded in not too long !
          It’s seems like a whole – and different – topic…

  5. Crusades Were Right! says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    “You’re an evil bigot for suggesting that Muslims aren’t the most peaceful people in the world! And besides, if the Muslims hear you saying that…
    …they just might kill us!”

  6. efoc says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    I met Malcolm Turnbull in the street many years ago. He’s a highly intelligent man thus I’m surprised he is parroting the Big Lie in this instance. I have no doubt there are many people in his electorate who have warned him appropriately about the nature of Islam. Yet, he is either ignoring that deliberately or just trying to maintain a central party line. Either way, he should be speaking up about Islamic totalitarianism, discussing it intelligently and making the issues known to the wider public. It appears Waleed Aly must have gotten to him after the Iftar dinner they shared together this year. Disgraceful. It’s no wonder Turnbull has lost so much support and a large faction of the Conservative party are looking to create a separate Conservative party.

    • Salome says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 6:47 pm

      Lots of people are ‘highly intelligent’–but they don’t have the commonsense that most of us over at JW have. That’s why our universities are spewing forth cultural Marxism in the arts and social science faculties and even the science faculties have been overtaken with a Marxist one-world-government inspired view that as long as the mathematics is internally consistent, it is an accurate description of reality–thereby eliminating the need for empirical observation and testing–so much easier to tweak your computer model to come up with a disaster that only a one-world-government can solve. Intelligent, my backside! Just a lot of misplaced cleverness.

      • efoc says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 12:51 am

        Salome, I hear you and understand. Yet, I’m not sure whether Turnbull would classify as a cultural Marxist. I just think he doesn’t want to rock the boat as other brave politicians have done i.e. Geert Wilders and Viktor Orbán. Much easier for him to play it safe and schmooze with Waleed Aly so he gets favourable reviews on The Project on Channel 10. Shame on Turnbull for not showing true leadership on this matter – as a former merchant banker (and now millionaire), he should put his mouth where his money is.

        • Jenny H says

          Sep 18, 2016 at 10:37 am

          Politically, Malcolm Turnbull is in an awkward position with a one member majority in the lower house and minority and a mixed bag of minor Party and independent Senators in the Senate. He’s probably trying not to rock the boat so as to get his Party’s legislation passed.

    • katherine says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 8:32 pm

      These immigrants can truthfully provide Islamic justification for every action :

      – justification to replace Australian constitution with Totalitarian Sharia law, as a consequence of which … there will follow :

      – justification to enforce Halal certification on ALL products, not just food ( evict the RSPCA )

      – justification to enforce Islamic dress and social codes on Everyone, not just Muslims

      – justification to discriminate against the employment of non-Muslims in the upper hierarchy of any organization

      – justification to enforce Arab-centric education syllabus on ALL schools to focus on the primacy of Islamic ‘civilization’

      – justification to disrespect the prevailing Australian Flag , National Anthem and laws

      The list is almost as endless as the Hadith – but the point is Turnbull thinks Australian citizens do not even have the justification to stop the Fascist takeover and ideological subversion of Australia. He may be intelligent but is he on the take as well ?

      • Real Vlad says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 4:09 am

        “He may be intelligent but is he on the take as well ?”
        Very probably, all part of the UN master plan

        • JMB says

          Sep 18, 2016 at 1:01 pm

          On the take?

          But note;

          1, Mr Turnbull has many of his financial interests registered in Caribbean “Tax Havens”

          2, Many Middle Eastern banks operate here in Australia, some at retail level.

          On the take? Can’t be sure but in the world of Mr Turnbull I am certain money will talk.

    • overman says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 9:04 pm

      Looks like Turnbull has been ‘Turned’.

      ““We are the most successful multi-cultural society in the world, Australian Muslims are part of that successful multicultural society,” Turnbull told Macquarie Radio on Friday.”

      ls he walking around in a ‘mind-controlled trance’? When [not IF] the trouble starts, he and his ‘muslim’ buddies should be rounded up and deported to some lslamic shit-hole, whether they’re australian citizens or not.

    • JMB says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 9:13 pm

      Mr Turnbull is a very sophisticated and intelligent man, he is a very successful merchant banker. he has the potential to be one of Australia’s greatest prime ministers.

      But surely he knows the history of Islam. Surely he should be able to see the danger that Islam presents to any Western society. He also needs to listen to the conservative voices in Australia, the sort of people who voted for him in our recent election and their concerns about immigration in general, multiculturalism and also their opposition to same sex marriage which he openly supports.

      • efoc says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 12:45 am

        Hi JMB – exactly my point. He would know out of any Prime Minister, apart from former Prime Minister Tony Abbott who only started to express his ‘real’ views after he was ousted. I know Turnbull would know, or people in his electorate would have said something to him about Islam. But….we can only hope.

      • overman says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 6:36 pm

        “Mr Turnbull is a very sophisticated and intelligent man, he is a very successful merchant banker”

        Depends on how you define ‘lntelligence’, l suppose. He might know about financial dealings, but there are many psychopaths in top jobs, especially politics, who are solely guided by ambition and self-interest – education has nothing to do with lntelligence. The qualities they lack are empathy and a conscience – Power is their goal, at any cost.
        l mean, what’s he doing about the Apex muslim gangs [of course they call them ‘African’] causing chaos in Melbourne?

  7. Mubarak says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    At least Turnbull is honest enough to admit, that those Muslims who are demonized -i.e. radicalized – are just that: Muslims. –

  8. Angemon says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    “Tagging all Muslims with the crimes of a few is fundamentally wrong and it’s also counter-productive,” Turnbull told Macquarie Radio on Friday.

    If people actually do that, it’s not as wrong or counter-productive as pretending that islamic terrorists have nothing to do with islam and that no muslims ever did anything wrong and therefore there’s no need to consider muslims as worthy of scrutiny by law enforcement, which is usually the endgame of people who say “you’re saying taht all muslims are terrorists”.

    • Demsci says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 5:53 am

      Right, Angemon,

      We get accused of “painting all Muslims with a black brush”. But “They” often “paint all Muslims with a white brush”.

      And if “they” have the adage that “people are innocent until they are proven guilty”. But then do not acknowledge any presented evidence,

      “we” might counter with: “It is dereliction of duty to ignore danger, threats. And if innocent people fall victim, the responsible people who ignored the danger that caused that, or who recommended to ignore that danger, can be held accountable.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 9:56 pm

        Abbott was starting to show some promise on Islam and wanted to start bringing in non Muslim refugees instead of Muslim one but we know what happened to him.
        He was quickly removed and replaced by this apologist.
        A lot of western politicians know how dangerous Islam is but have their own personal reasons why they ignore it and want us to ignore it.
        Just look how hard Republicans wanted Trump to be replaced. Too bad for them a lot of clever Americans weren’t going to let that happen.
        They have the primaries and find it harder to justify removing a popular candidate but we don’t have such a thing.

  9. Infidel from Down Under says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    As an Australian I have had a gutfull of being told we are ” the most successful multicultural society in world”

    Crap, we are experiencing the exact problems as every other developed country who to the regret of many of their native citizens allowed in and still continue to do so , large numbers of muslim migrants from the Middle East,South Asia and Africa

    The only difference Europe and the UK started it a few before we did, but we are more stupid in way they even they were .We saw what a disaster it was in the Northern Hemisphere but our leaders went off and duplicated here anyway,

    And what we got for it. Muslims are way over represented in welfare dependency,unemployment and crime statistics while they are not assimilating in fact the exact opposite they want to turn the place into a mirror image of Iran or Lebanon.Then there is the ongoing terror threat they have bought with them.

    A total disaster

    • JMB says

      Sep 17, 2016 at 9:17 pm

      Hear hear. But why is this happening? Who is really behind it all or are we just bowing down to that would be World Government otherwise know as the UN, an unelected body, dominated by both a Marxist agenda and 3rd world and Islamic countries.

    • Peggy says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 10:01 pm

      And the unforgivable thing is that they are blaming our young men and women looking for work and calling them lazy. They are not a burden on us. These scummy Muslims are a huge burden on our welfare budget but they will continue to bring them in by thousands each year while the ones already in will breed like rabbits adding more welfare recipients.
      So sick of listening how we should send our young unemployed to rural areas to pick fruit thereby displacing them and taking them away from their support base at home.
      Why not send these parasites to go and pick fruit and work for them keep? It will easy our overburdened welfare system and they certainly don’t have friends and family in the cities as a support base.
      If our welfare budget is so out of control why do we keep importing more dependants?

      • Peggy says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 10:03 pm

        It will easy our overburdened welfare system
        ===============
        Should be it will ease our overburdened welfare system

        You can tell I am angry because my fingers don’t type what is in my head.

  10. My Opinion says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    So he WARNS us against “demonizing or denigrating all muslims for the actions of a few”? What utter, ridiculous nonsense from a bunch of HYPOCRITS! Isn’t that what all leftard politicians do when it comes to guns? That if banning guns “saves just ONE life” isn’t it justified? Well how about THIS – if banning or deporting all moslems saves just ONE life, isn’t that justified? The hypocrisy of these morons knows no bounds…

  11. steve brown says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/17976-if-you-know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself-you-need

  12. Gerald Mucci says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    Another national politician wallpapering over the problem.

  13. Peter says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    Robert, thankfully things are starting to change here in Australia. Prevented from speaking publicly about important matters of race, religion and culture because of Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975, there are Australians who are now being elected to Parliament who are raising these matters publicly under the protection of Parliamentary Privilege. Pauline Hanson is such a person. Malcolm Turnbull has recently repeated the dubious refrain that “Islam is a Religion of Peace”, just as Theresa May, George Bush and other world leaders have done so in the past. When he said it my heart sank. If it was demonstrably true then why would so many different world leaders have to repeat this statement ad nauseum. Clearly Turnbull is either lying to us, or he is willfully ignorant of the true nature of Islam.

    However, like you I am much more optimistic now than I was, say a year ago. The grass is starting to push through the concrete. Let’s hope it’s not too late though.

    • Peggy says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 10:06 pm

      I am with you.
      I don’t think that Turnbull is ignorant. How can he be? He has more information at his disposal than we do and he has eyes and ears too.
      He is just towing the Globalists line.

  14. AformerMuslim says

    Sep 17, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    He is right; no one should demonize anyone.

    However, we don’t have to shy away to discuss the real issue.

    Why do many Muslims hold very radical views? Why have many Australians gone to Join the Islamic state?

    Perhaps, we need to focus on the teachings of Muhammad and Islam to find out.
    We need to fight this ideology.

    A Former Muslim
    http://www.aformermuslim.com

    • Carolyne says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      There’s no reason not to demonize a demon.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 10:07 pm

        Exactly.

  15. William says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 3:10 am

    Muslims should have stayed in the ME
    Now the genie is out of the bottle, like a cancer it has spread worldwide, it won’t end well.

  16. Demsci says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 3:15 am

    Well, there are a few relevant observations in reaction to this reaction of Turnbull to Hanson and Christensen”

    Islam is a choice, not a race. For holding onto a 1000-year old dictatorial ideology, in parts contradicting the set of Democratic laws, tenets, values of Australia’s society, INSIDE IT,

    is a responsibility of Australian Muslims, who have the burden of proof that they DO choose for Australia’s laws, tenets, values and first and foremost loyalty to this nation over and above loyalty to fellow Muslims political system and enemies of Australia.

    “Vetting” Muslim immigrants seems to be a delusional exercise. And in the absence of the possibility of “probation, and deportation on grounds of non-compliance of reasonable demands,

    even asking Muslims to CHOOSE for Australia’s laws, tenets, values is futile, because it gives Muslims the opportunity to lie and get away with it. And we have no trust that NOT far too many WILL LIE.

    Reasonable citizens, and even Muslims, should be able to comprehend this. And endeavour at least to show that Muslims can hold Western Democratic Values and loyalty to democratic system and nations, and promise to behave accordingly, accepting that that is on pain of deportation when that promise is arguably broken.

    But many of our politicians, supposedly reasonable people, only emphasize:” not painting all Muslims with the same brush, in many variations, countless times. All the while while they themselves paint all Muslims with the same whitewashing brush”!

    I guess A reason of this almost casual irresponsible routine narrative of so many Political Correct politicians is that they so take the Democratic system and the security of their nations for granted,

    that they seem to not care or even know about those “Western values, tenets, laws” one bit any more.

    For them it seems no longer necessary, called for, to defend their own society, their own offspring. As they shut their minds off about all warnings against Islam’s laws, tenets, values, preferences, hatred, and the desires of Muslims that contradict those Democratic laws, tenets, values and loyalty to Democratic system and nations.

  17. Brian Huggett says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 3:18 am

    Western supporters of Islam should do some serious research into the writings of Mohammad. They will find Mohammad conveniently had visions from his god that allowed his animal behaviour. Rape, murder theft, paedophilia etc.

    Allah is not God, he is the invention of a bestial mind. Whether that is Mohammad’s mind only or an original idea from Satan is hardly debatable.

    DO YOUR RESEARCH

    • ECAW says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 5:03 am

      “DO YOUR RESEARCH”

      Don’t tell us. We have all done it. Tell those who haven’t.

  18. shoehorn of africa says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 3:25 am

    Bring back Tony Abbot.

  19. Ali Bey says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 4:33 am

    Sufficient to demonize Muhammad and Koran.

  20. p fowler says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 4:51 am

    Great comments on this site. Pauline Hanson’s brave speech last week deserves better than Turnbull’s platitudinous response, or the venomous attack by John Alexander, Liberal MP. Alexander has the cheek to rate Ms Hanson as arrogantly claiming to know more about Islam than many Muslims. She is reportedly reading the Koran, which is more than many non-Arabic speakers can claim, even those ‘prodigies’ who have memorised the entire Koran
    She probably by now has a better understanding of Mohammed than the wife of a prominent ‘moderate’ Muslim Sydney GP who is quoted in ‘The Australian” a few years back as saying Mohammed was a peaceful man who stayed at home and got on with his neighbours!

    Sick of hearing Muslim apologists stating Muslims form 2.2% approx. of the population . Ms Hanson please publish the percentage of Muslims by age: children under 10, or 5. A study in France revealed over 40% of French under the age of 22 are Muslim, yet universally the accepted figure is that Muslims represent only 10% of the French population.

    Sick of hearing either a) Australians are white, racist, homophobic and Islamophobic pigs, or b) each wave of immigrants to Oz is initially resisted but ultimately is accepted and assimilated over a 20 year period. I visited Egypt , a majority Islamic country, in 1989 and 1994. Beautiful country and beautiful people. Almost no one wore Islamic dress. On my last visit in 2011, every Muslim woman I saw wore a hijab at least. Niqabs were also common. Our tourist group guide, a Coptic Christian, wore her beautiful hair loose but told us Copts were being oppressed, shut out of employment, subject to forced conversion to Islam or even attacked or killed.. Roughly 20 year period.

    I have personal experience of Muslim families who enter as Western-educated professionals, wearing non-Islamic clothing and seemingly willing to integrate into Australian society. Within an increasingly short period , women start to wear the hijab, men to grow beards and relations to cool with non-Islamic colleagues and neighbours. Example, an elderly widow in Guildford who welcomed her neighbours’. children with sweets and kept an eye on them when requested by busy mothers was taken aback to hear these same children suddenly object that the sweets they had scoffed last week would need to be halal for them to accept. The integration clock would appear to be set backwards, not forwards as the progressives seem to believe.

    I wish I knew how to start a # campaign. or something similar. We each think we are a lone voice, without power, but what if somehow we could get that estimated 80% of people who genuinely see the problem with Islam (not individual Muslims) to each send an email to the PM on this issue. We most of us have a computer, don’t we?

    • Charli Main says

      Sep 18, 2016 at 4:37 pm

      ” A study in France revealed over 40% of French under the age of 22 are Muslim, yet universally the accepted figure is that Muslims represent only 10% of the French population.”

      ” We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe——without swords, without guns, without conquest—and turn it into a Muslim Continent within a few decades.”
      Muammar Gaddafi. 10th April 2006.

      Muslim women will outbreed European women by around 10 to 1 making Gaddafi´s prediction a reality.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 18, 2016 at 10:51 pm

        So who can we blame for this? Yep, our treacherous governments. They knew exactly what they were dealing with. The don’t have secret service and advisors for nothing.
        This was all planned long ago and now we are paying the price.
        It’s not as though they didn’t have examples to learn from. Christian Lebanese warned our government not to bring in Muslim Lebanese. They made a mistake of letting them in as “refugees” into Lebanon and the rest is history.
        Surely our government has advisors who are clued in on such important matters. If not then they have betrayed us by being extremely stupid. Either way they are to blame.
        It’s not like Islam has just popped up and nothing is known about it. There is over a thousand years of this evil to learn from.
        I don’t buys ignorance excuse.

  21. Demsci says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 5:41 am

    ““We are the most successful multi-cultural society in the world, Australian Muslims are part of that successful multicultural society,” Turnbull told Macquarie Radio on Friday.”

    That is his blind spot I think; Islam is a totalitarian ideology, which rose in a thoroughly dictatorial time, more than 1000 years ago.

    His Multi-cultural society moved beyond that, in much more recent times.
    Bill Warner said that only roughly 1 % of mankind has been living under truly democratic rules. His multi-cultural society is a positive exception; very precious but vulnerable.

    Muslims, at least unreformed, practicing ones belong to the enemies of that society,

    because Islam wants to be like in it’s golden age; it is looking back to the time of Muhammad and the rightly guided khalifs. It is regressive, our society is much more future-oriented, optimistic, for us the best is yet to come.

    Islam is also coming up with zero great earthshattering new concepts, but only passively awaiting Judgement day!

    I read this in Yuval Noah Harari’s new book; Homo Deus.

  22. gordon miller says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 10:52 am

    To say that we are driving peaceful Muslims to be jihadists by taking precautions against being attacked by some sub-set of them is lunacy. We must put true Muslims under some kind of surveillance, or risk our lives. Would doing this in some way be un-American? No. Under current circumstances, we can’t allow hurt feelings to dominate our right to survival itself.

  23. Paul Ashley says

    Sep 18, 2016 at 1:05 pm

    “Turnbull is repeating a common Leftist/Islamic supremacist talking point: that to discuss how jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and make recruits among peaceful Muslims …”

    This needs to be rephrased. Jihadis don’t “use” the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence, as if jihadis are misinterpreting the texts. It is the texts themselves that explicitly call for and justify violence.

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