Toronto: Muslim father Mohammad Dasu withdraws his children from an Ontario school because they would have to participate in mandatory music class. Singing and playing instruments is considered haram (forbidden). The school offered some sort of compromise, but Mr. Dasu refused to have his children participate in music or drama instruction.
But don’t worry, assimilation is working out great!
The most telling passages in this story are from Kasim Ingar, Imam at the local Scarborough mosque:
“We here believe that music is haram [forbidden]. We can neither listen to it, nor can we play a role in it,”
and
““We do not compromise with anyone on the clear-cut orders and principles conveyed by the Prophet.”

“Mandatory music classes hit a bad note with some Muslim parents” by Colin Freeze and Mahnoor Yawar, The Globe and Mail , September 5, 2016
When music class begins this week at Toronto’s Donwood Park elementary school, Mohammad Nouman Dasu will send a family member to collect his three young children. They will go home for an hour rather than sing and play instruments – a mandatory part of the Ontario curriculum he believes violates his Muslim faith.
The Scarborough school and the Toronto District School Board originally had offered an accommodation – suggesting students could just clap their hands in place of playing instruments or listen to acapella versions of O Canada – but not a full exemption from the class.
After a bitter three-year fight, however, Mr. Dasu felt he had no other opton but to bring his kids home.
According to documents obtained by The Globe and Mail, some parents insist they cannot allow their children to be in the same room where musical instruments are being played. Mr. Dasu, a Koran teacher who sometimes leads prayers at Scarborough’s Jame Abu Bakr Siddique mosque, says he has led the fight on behalf of parents. He has consulted with national Islamic bodies, and requested a letter from the leader of his mosque.
“We here believe that music is haram [forbidden]. We can neither listen to it, nor can we play a role in it,” said the mosque’s imam, Kasim Ingar.
Conceding that Muslims have to adjust when they send their kids to public school, he suggested that some matters, such as teaching music, are beyond debate.
“We do not compromise with anyone on the clear-cut orders and principles conveyed by the Prophet,” said Mr. Ingar, who also leads the Scarborough Muslim Association.
Within Islam, the question of whether Muslims are banned from music is divisive and nuanced. Similar to questions about whether women should wear veils, there is no consensus on the issue.
But Ontario’s primary-school curriculum is unambiguous on music class: It must be taught, without exception, to all primary-school-aged children. Officials at the TDSB say they can only bend the rules to accommodate religious students, but not exempt them.
The Globe used freedom of information laws to access TDSB e-mails on how the issue evolved at Donwood Park, where it first surfaced in 2013.
The released records redact the names of students for privacy reasons, and very few families appear to have been adamant over pulling children from music classes. Early internal e-mails show administrators wanted to find “some common ground.”
But Mr. Dasu, who says he represents many of the parents at the school concerned about the issue, pushed for exclusion for his own children by invoking the prospect of litigation and the religious freedoms clause of Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
In response, school administrators pitched an array of potential compromises. Records show one idea was to have the children “research the role of nashid” – or the Islamic tradition of oral music. Another was to have the children clap out quarter notes, half notes and full notes.
“Your children will not be required to play a musical instrument or sing in their music class,” read a formal note to at least one family.
The records show that as the standoff at Donwood Park lingered, TDSB officials prepared a media plan and sought legal advice from eminent lawyers, including Eric Roher of Borden Ladner Gervais.
They do not make clear how the situation was dealt with. But during the 2014 school year, two requests for music exemptions were made. When school officials struggled again to suggest accommodations, they were presented with a “Petition for Accommodation of Religious Beliefs of Muslim Students” signed by more than 130 parents, initiated by Mr. Dasu.
Mr. Dasu says he proposed alternative arrangements for his own children, which were rejected by the vice-principal, the superintendent, and a trustee of the school board, after which he decided to take them out of school for the duration of music and drama class.
By the spring of 2015, an interest group known as the National Council of Canadian Muslims was prodded by some parents to intercede further. After meeting with Donwood Park administrators, an NCCM spokeswoman referred them to a guide it has created for Canadian teachers. “Opinion regarding the place of music varies among different Muslim countries,” it says. But, it adds, “it is important for the school to discuss reasonable accommodations with the parents or guardians and the students themselves.”
TDSB officials wouldn’t discuss particular cases, but insist that religious students cannot cut themselves out of music class. “As per the Education Act, we can’t exempt students from the curriculum. But what we do is accommodate,” said John Chasty, a TDSB superintendent of education.
The TDSB says it does not keep track of the number of students who seek accommodations or exemptions. But Mr. Chasty believes the issue will come up there again in the coming school year.
Mr. Dasu has since moved to a different neighbourhood nearby, and is planning to transfer his children to a new public school. He says he will take up the fight again.
“My kids cannot participate in music or drama, that’s for sure. Let them sit in a library to read, or in an office, or let them volunteer around the school during that time, that’s all okay. We’re flexible.”
bruno dore says
Well
Take the Camel
Hit the road
Go to Hell (Islam countries)
spa says
Islam the fraud religion from tip to toe ..How west gave a place for such a hypocrisy
Angemon says
If it fails, try again somewhere else. Sooner or later he’ll find moronic kuffar willing to fight for him.
concerned canadian says
We have gorgeous masterpieces of Jesus yet they kill people over a cartoon.
We have breathtaking music and they kill people over it.
What a messed up culture of idiots.
Westman says
Apparently anything that could possibly climb onto the inspirational level of allah is haram.
I’m surprised that hitting the forehead with a soft mallet has not be declared haram.
Oliver says
They (muslims) should probably use a steel hammer or mallet- not a soft one.
Might knock some brains into their heads. Or kill them.
Westman says
Akbar zebiba!
Julia says
If Mr Dasu won’t allow his children (I so feel sad for them) to participate in one of life’s most important pleasures, then tell him to go back where he came from. Maybe these
immigrants who are so desperate to change our Canadian culture, must be vetted on what changes they would insist on making which are against our rules before they even step onto Canadian soil. Catch these nut cases before they can even make trouble that will eventually overwhelm this wonderful country.
katherine says
Keep this in mind also – down the road they envision a future where sharia rules absolutely – they would not tolerate anyone who studies or performs music which will be defined as criminal activity.
Hence all the works and archives of the world’s music will need to be destroyed to eliminate any evidence of music culture. Muslims are already doing this to World History, by academic revisionism and physical obliteration of ancient civilization artifacts. Imagine the total wipe-out of every artistic achievement of the human race starting now, in a small way, with your music lessons.
By the way, does anyone out there know the true fate for the archives of BBC’s Black and White Minstrels show ? Last I heard the BBC was considering the destruction of these music video recordings for being ‘racist’ . Having watched some of it on VHS, it makes me wonder – what’s wrong with the Leftists : is this how they define Violence – Horror – Sex ?
Defen0derofIsliam says
Than other racist and bigot christian rightwinger imposeing they riligion on other.
Frank Courtney says
Are you intoxicated?
Mirren10 says
”Are you intoxicated?”
🙂
Defen0derofIsliam, aka Brian Hoff, has been commenting here for years. His posts are always incoherent/illiterate, mad as a box of frogs, and really illustrative of what devotion to islam does to the human brain. If he’s intoxicated, he’s intoxicated with islam.
If you want to tweak him a bit, ask him if he ever found a wife; duh-swami, who has commented here since Robert first started the site, once offered to find him one, but she wasn’t six years old.
Oliver says
defender-
you must be a Hillary Clinton supporter.
otherwise,, how can you write such gibberish?
please-go to Pakistan, and live with your fellow wacko illiterates.
Fraser says
This speaks directly to the current suggestion regarding screening immigrants regarding “Canadian” values. Music is a beautiful gift to all mankind, and Islam is humanity’s greatest parasite!
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Nkandhla says
C’mon down, Kellie Leitch! Where are you when we need you? This is precisely the type of immigrant our country does not need and that would be screened out when tested on Canadian values.
Frank Anderson says
Do you think that starting to force Muslims to use our language instead of our catering to them by using for example Haram and Halal could be a first step to showing and performing resistance? As long as they are able to trick us to use their language, they are in the superior “position”. I don’t like feeling inferior or even suspecting that an opponent feels that I am inferior and he is superior.
Alien Republican says
Exactly my point. It starts with “muslim”, the term imposed by mohammedans on us. Well, it’s up to me to define this out group whose most conspicuous trait is idiolizing “Mohammed” even more than “Allah”.
And I don’t even need to start to ask what this or that means but I will explain the outside what “we” expect.
Mirren10 says
”Do you think that starting to force Muslims to use our language instead of our catering to them by using for example Haram and Halal could be a first step to showing and performing resistance?”
No, really not.
After all, do we not already use words from other languages, every day ?
We need to show resistance to mohammedans by getting into their faces, using their language. not so much.
Frank Anderson says
You gotta start somewhere.
RAB says
What will Muslims object to next in Canadian classrooms? Mixed classes, female teachers, certain subjects they deem anti-Islamic? I know people like Robert, Pamela, and others (including myself in a humble way) are trying to get the truth out about Islam and its ultimate design for all non-Muslims but it seems that almost every news item I see on the issue coming out of Canada these days seems to feature Muslims demanding more “rights” (and getting them), while so-called educators and “experts” are doing their best to white-wash Islam. Will it take a major occurrence of Islamic terrorism (i.e. the actions of devout Muslims carrying out the will of Allah) in Canada to wake people up?
Ellie says
Sorry to say, but I don’t think a major act of terrorism will wake the Canadian people up. They will just become more adamant that the terrorists do not represent Islam. The the Canadian media will come out and state that the Muslim community is fearing backlash and the religion of peace has been hijacked. How many Canadians cities signed a pledge to combat Islamophobia? We have a government that is more interested in appearing tolerant and PC then they are about fighting terrorism and protecting their constituents. When you have a PM who visited a mosque with known terrorist ties and recited the Shahada, you’re in big trouble!
Nkandhla says
And do not forget that his brother Sasha is an avowed Islamist.
Carmel says
In 1997 , I was teaching music . There were many muslims in all my classes. For most of them , it was not a problem to sing or play instruments. There was , though , a girl , veiled, 11 years old , very bright who becase hysteric when I forced her to play his flute . The most I could get from her was I would sing the melody , she would put the flute on her chin and I would check the fingers if they moved to the melody I was singing on la -la-la.
On the moment , I didn’t notice it but after a while it struck me that , at noon , as she was responsible to open the door to teachers or pupils ,while she was doing this , she had headphones, every day , listening to Back Steet Boys . She knew all their songs , as coranists would say , to the letter .
Muslims have sometimes many tricks in their head to do what they want . That year when it was ramadan ‘s time , I ask her how she could fast all day long on saturday and sunday when there was no school. She toold me that Muhammad said that if you are on a journey , you could eat during the day . So, her family went out of the town for 20 miles, buy nails or anything they could need , then stop in a restaurant and have lunch . They were officially on a journey and there was no sin there.
PRCS says
A journey of hypocrisy.
bernie says
Perhaps math will be deemed haram, as it has a cross symbol, and English and French have the letter “t.”
Fraser says
As Trudeau said of his Cabinet appointee’s diversity on their first day of Parliament, “this is Canada in 2015”. Can you imagine 2115?
john spielman says
so the children will be pulled out of music because it is forbidden, but instead they will be taught how to behead and crucify people and learn how to wipe their a** with stones because that is what muhammed did!
Frank Anderson says
Also totally defeating the basic idea of public education-to provide a sense of community. “They” neither need nor want to understand “our” ways because “they” want to force “their” ways on us and all future generations. Let them go where “their” ideas, desires and pleasures flow freely when “they” don’t have interest in ours. “They” are certainly as free to leave as “they” were to come here. Poor Canada. Your future looks absolutely grim. Most of the Canadians I have known are really first class people who do not deserve this punishment. Our future does not at the moment look a whole lot better. “Pray as though everything depends on God; Act as though everything depends on us.”
Robeaver says
Bare hand. Hope they change it to bear hand. Then they can grin( and bear it).
Carmel says
Don’t forget the stones must be in an impair number such as 3, 5 or 7.
VIIth century arabs in time of Muhammad were living always near the desert.Arabic peninsula desert is sand or rocks . For Arabs of the time , water was rare and must be kept for human or animal needs first . So , it was very common for what is now Saudi Arabia peoples , to wash their hands with “clean ” sand . Further , in today’s Yemen , Oman and so on , water was more easily available , they had another culture. The point I want to make is that , in fact, Islam rituals, ideology and culture is quite reliable to geographic conditions of arabic peninsula desert poor tribes of the VII centuries. Nowaday , Islam try to impose this way of living , ablutions for one , all over the earth as if everyone was living in a sand desert with few oasis in a VII th century technology.
skep says
Toilet paper is haram I understand.
Oliver says
There was a post in JW I guess a year and a half ago, perhaps a little more.
Some leading Turkish scholar (of sharia) said that ti is no longer not allowed ( meaning now allowed) for a devout Muslim to sue toilet paper to wipe his or her ass.
Only what/ 180 years or so behind the west in the use of toilet paper?
However, (me) not being an Islamic scholar-perhaps that only applies to the sect of Muslims living in Turkey. I don’t know,.
Adrian says
Anyone intoning the Quran 5x daily and banging their heads on the ground is more than likely tone-deaf by now, anyway
Guest says
This is just stupid. Music is apart of our society. It could never be forbidden.
Guest says
A part, not apart.
Other Guest
Oliver says
Rap music (my view, not music, misogynistic loud noise) could be banned. I would have no issue with that.
Also, boom boxes in cars.
RCCA says
Music education has been shown by numerous scientists/physicians to be good for the brain in developing language skills. http://www.pbs.org/parents/education/music-arts/the-benefits-of-music-education/
Not that the children’s welfare is of any concern to the religious minded Muslim.
Frank Anderson says
If you haven’t seen the videos, 3 year old children are dressed up as suicide bombers in Gaza, Children are “really” treasured in Islam. So is death.
Wellington says
Yeah, Islamic musical theatre is a pretty thin repertoire after all.
CogitoErgoSum says
I think the best thing to come from the occupation of Spain by the Moors was their influence on the development of the guitar and classical music. I’ve even read some claims that Beethoven had Moorish ancestry and took an interest in their music. To me music is the purest form of the expression of emotion through art. It has the power to bring people together and I believe it even has the power to heal. Maybe the Moors (like the Shia) were not really Muslims?
If you have the time, follow the link below to hear what I’m trying to convey:
Alien Republican says
Sorry, not interested. “Inspired” classical music, “inspired” the renaissance – a lot of “inspiration” but not enough “transpiration” to achieve with hard work and erudition real results. THAT is the difference between the germanic and slavic “barbarians” scavenging the remains of the Roman Empire. They destroyed but also absorbed, rebuilt and in the end beat the former master in every aspect.
CogitoErgoSum says
No need to be sorry. One’s taste in music is very personal and subjective. Do not let anyone tell you what what you should like or dislike when it comes to art. Think for yourself but be open to new ideas and experiences and draw your own conclusions about their value in adding to the enjoyment of your own life.
katherine says
No, they misunderstood Islam. That was why they employed EL Cid to protect them the next wave of Puritan Muslims.
Western Canadian says
Either substantiate your smear of Beethoven or apologize for it.
CogitoErgoSum says
I didn’t intend it as a smear. A person is responsible for the actions of his own life and not that of his ancestors, whoever they may be. Beethoven’s “Moonlight Sonata” is one of the greatest pieces of music ever composed. He was known to be a rather stubborn man and at times I can be that way also. I see no need to apologize and I won’t.
billybob says
Very interesting music – thanks for posting it. I very very eclectic tastes and my music library is international in scope.
CogitoErgoSum says
Thank you. I love any kind of music of any genre if it is done with sincerity and an intent to convey a message of emotion, whether serious or humorous. To me music is a form of communication between souls as they pass through various levels of consciousness. It can be found anywhere if you are willing to listen.
Keys says
Well, I guess that means the muezzin’s call to prayer from the loud-speakered minarets is not music in any sense.
Pshaw, Mr. President ! How can it be “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth” if music is haram ?
Not Music:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mUHDYlJHaOQ
Try rap for the call to prayer.
Keys says
Is only vocal music allowed in Islam? So a muslim, then, could form a barbershop quartet ?
Frank Anderson says
But not without good musical training. Barbershop is hard and demands great skill.
marina says
Surprisingly Iran and Saudi Arabia has plenty of pop singers.
Jaladhi says
Yes, but when these Muslims come to the West they behave even more Islamic than they would in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or Iran!! And then our media says we do a terrible job of assimilating them. How can we assimilate them when they themselves do not want to assimilate. Their main aim is to carve out a country of their own in land where they have just come. Despicable! And even worse is our media and politicians who do not recognize this very basic fact about Muslims!
Frank Anderson says
Jalahdi- I think it is obvious from the teachings, historical practice and current behavior that the current goal is not just to carve out a piece, but to exterminate all infidels and take over the whole.
billybob says
“How can we assimilate them?” The leftists have one one thing to offer on the subject, and that is that we must learn to accept, and even charish them and their “cultural values”. The leftists in fact have no expectation the Muslims will assimilate. They are fine just the way they are. It is our obligation to create space for them. Sort of the “noble savage” concept maybe from another era – Huxley’s “Brave New World”.
Jaladhi says
Is there any point in teaching the barbarians any culture and civilization? Let them go to hell where they belong!
Frank Anderson says
I think anytime a seed of doubt can be planted there is reason to hope. I apologize again for repeating my respect for a man who was raised Muslim, learned the entire Koran word for word by memory before he was 12, taught islamic history at Al-Azhar (sp?) in Cairo, the pinnacle of Muslim education, and then realized if Islam is such a great deal why were 4,000,000 Egyptians murdered to bring Islam to Egypt. The exact quote is on Page 52, The Unfinished Battle by Mark Gabriel, Ph.D. I’ll bet a donut that the son in this story has a seed of doubt planted by his father’s effort to isolate him from people who generally would like to be nice. The father doesn’t and is doing his duty to brainwash the son. Gabriel is one of a few powerful voices to help either reform the unreformable or draw enough people away from evil that we have a chance, possibly a thousand years from now, to see the end of standard, orthodox, perfect Islam of today.
Westman says
“..My kids cannot participate in music or drama, that’s for sure. Let them sit in a library to read, or in an office, or let them volunteer around the school during that time, that’s all okay. We’re flexible.”
What an inventive definition of “flexible”!
Ahh, that we could fast forward to the late teens of these children and see what they are doing and how angry they are after being forced to be the odd-balls by dear old dad.
El Cid says
Why are they in Canada? There are 57 Islamic countries.
By the way, Syria has a Symphony.
JMB says
Interesting. On our news services yesterday (Australia) we had almost saturation coverage of a young Syrian refugee boy aged 10 now living in Canada who can play Mozart on the piano like a master. He can also compose music. Perhaps his family are Christian Syrians who just may be able to fit into Canada and contribute to the society that has taken them in. But as you say, there are 57 Muslim countries that should be taking the rest of them, then they wont need to be contaminated by Western values.(Why can’t the UNHCR understand this?)
Fraser says
Because UNHRC is dominated by Islam which demands worldwide subjugation! No sense sending muslims to muslim countries!
Oliver says
A Kuwaiti official was (supposed to have said) that Kuwait doesn’t want or need the garbage ( referring to Syrian refugees).
Saudi Arabia, one of the least densely populated countries also refused to take in their Muslim brothers.
Alien Republican says
“We do not compromise with anyone on the clear-cut orders and principles conveyed by the Prophet”
The adult speaker doesn’t need to compromise. The children diserve the same treatment and fair chances. Parents get high fines if they let children miss a few days in my country. The problem is, that the most stuborn troublemakers live on welfare anyway and the minimum is guaranteed.
Guest says
‘deserve’, ‘stubborn’.
Dennis says
Strange! Here in India, many of the greatest classical Indian musicians who have international reputations are Muslims. If the parents don’t want their children introduced to music, let them form their own schools and send the children there, a Muslim school with no music, no science, no reasoning processes will equip their children to wash dishes and collect garbage. Then their children can complain how awful Canadian society is to them, when it is their parents who are at fault. I visited alternative schools in India. All students participated in music, art,etc. the Muslim parents raised no objection what-so-ever.
Guest says
Nooo, not even more alienation and indoctrination. I think immigration processes should ensure that people this extreme can’t even come into western countries.
Kay says
I think that’s what they’re after–like the awful Ifiktar A.
Special schools paid for by the state where they can teach the disparagement of females all they want.
I think music is perhaps more than anything what makes us human.
David says
I may read muslim. But my brain always translates it to: SATAN WORSHIPPERS
It is just a natural gift!
Concerning the above item, the parents are obviously UNFIT.
Those kids need to be made wards of the state for their own protection!
And, the sooner, the better!
Frank Anderson says
Until there is a successful declaratory judgment action which determines that Islam is a cult of death instead of a religion, which is really improbable, there is not much of a chance that the child can be made a ward of the state and court. I agree that it should be done; but I can see there is little or no chance that it will. The effort might subject those who try to devastating sanctions at the hands of the deniers presently in control. Only when new and better informed people are on the bench and making our laws will it be reasonably safe to try.
No Fear says
No music allowed for children because ‘prophet’ Mohammed did not approve of music.
What other behaviours of Mohammed does that parent want his children to copy?
Maybe his children could copy the ‘prophet’ and:
1. behead Jews
2. kill a woman poet
3. torture a man for refusing to reveal the location of gold
4. etc etc
Oliver says
I admit-did not read entire article or all comments.
But I have one suggestion for the Muslim parents ( really, 2 but one was mentioned above– the Muslims move to the Muslim hellhole of their choice–although worded differently).
My other suggestion–let them go to a private school.
Jews, catholics, others- all have religious schools (in the US & Canada, as well as elsewhere)- where they can be taught according to their religious beliefs.
As far as I know, (in the US) the students are also taught English and American history. (And math; science, etc; as well as religious subjects).
Frank Anderson says
Oliver- I know that private schools in my area of the US are required to teach certain subjects to every student to obtain and retain their accreditation and license to conduct classes. These basic classes are required for all students, with additional classes optional with the school and the families. Could be different in Canada and elsewhere.
Peter says
Surely, the Ontario school could add a chorus class in which “Allahu Akbar” and jihadi songs are sung. The infidels, after all, wouldn’t know what they are singing, and would feel really “multicultural” and good about themselves. The Muslim students would be practicing their faith, and all would be happy ever after (or, at least until some of those Muslim students go rabid – sorry, I mean, act out the nastier Infidelphobic tenets of their faith).
PRCS says
Something like this?
I’m sure daddy–the hypocrite–would approve.
billybob says
I held my nose and listened to it objectively, knowing full well the words must have a horrible meaning. It was very interesting. Rich harmonies – but almost too rich. I think much of what you hear came from the producer and his filters and voice doublers and reverb. In fact, it may be only two singers and extensive electronic processing with voice doubling until it sounds like a full acapella choir.
PRCS says
A fine critique, BB.
islam the religion of killers says
What did the kids want??
One of the most incredible jazz guitarists at my son’s schools is Muslim, he must have been playing for years judging by his accomplishments …
The stupidity of it all is, during a performance to the parents of the whole school, the dickhead father let the call to prayer wail from his phone then rushed out of the auditorium ….
The only common factor here, either from my kids school, the two schools in Canada and no doubt schools throughout the infected world is STUPIDITY …..
PRCS says
“Petition for Accommodation of Religious Beliefs of Muslim Students.
Nonsense.
It’s for Muslim parents.
The children have no say on the subject.
abad says
Canada needs to grow a pair, kick out these Muslims and deport their sorry butts back to Syria.
Muslims want to be anti-music they can do it in Syria.
Weirdos.
dumbledoresarmy says
Muslims have done this sort of thing in Italy, too. Refused to allow their kids to learn music in the (state/ public) schools. In *Italy*.
dumbledoresarmy says
The sharia ban on music – which affects virtually all music, vocal and instrumental (strings and flutes are singled out by name, as specially detestable), sacred and profane – is pretty much absolute.
Music has persisted in the dar al Islam not because of Islam but *in spite of* Islam; because to try to extirpate music entirely from out of human beings is like trying to make water flow uphill.
If pure sharia were followed there would be virtually NO music in the dar al Islam. None. I mean *none*. Maybe some drums and trumpets (martial purposes). Quranic recitation and the azhan (which is one way that Muslims ‘cheat’ the ban, by elaborating endlessly upon these permitted chants). But there would be nothing else, not even so much as a lullaby or a folk song.
One zealous jihad, in Mali, recently, is on the record as having stated: “We [pious Sunni Muslim jihadists] are in a war against all the musicians of the world”.
ALL. Not just the traditional musicians of Mali, who – as regards their music – were distinctly unislamic. ALL. Every composer, every symphony orchestra, every music-maker everywhere, on the face of the planet.
Islam’s hostility toward music, and the general suppression of music throughout Islam (constantly, of course, having to be renewed in bursts of fanaticism, because music keeps on finding a way to seep through the ban), is one of the things that convinces me that it is of all human belief systems one of *the* most grimly antihuman/ inhuman that has ever been invented.
katherine says
Wow – I feel humbled – you really put that fact in such a nice way.
Keys says
DD, another place Muslims sneak music in is by having national anthems with instrumentation and voice. One can hear them in Wikipedia, though to hear a good version of Iran’s I had to go out of Wiki. Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, – they all seem to have them. They play them with pride if they win an Olympic medal.
Islam certainly gives beauty a hard time.
Haroldpom says
Music is everywhere in our society. It is not going to be banned to suit anyone. If your children cannot listen to music when it is going to be played all around them, then you have brought your children to the wrong country.
Haroldpom says
Music is an integral part of our society. It is not about to be banned for anyone. If you do not want your children to listen to music or to participate in a music class you brought your children to the wrong country. Perhaps any one of 50 or so Muslim majority countries would be willing to meet your requirements.
Lioness says
Thank you, Trudeau. Bring into Canada more ignorant savages that will change the fabric of our nation forever. Erase everything from OUR tradition and replace it with islam.
Maggie says
So that would mean the Canada has to change its way of life for the muslim, they will no longer be able to play their national anthem at public gatherings? Keep it up Canada and see how far it will take you.
balafama says
i despise islam but honestly why should a music class be mandatory for any one . what is its relevance to peoples future ?
LR says
Why NOT be mandatory for everyone? Playing music, listening to music, creating art is one of humanities basic needs, beyond the immediate ones for survival.
LR says
Well, who says we can’t classify this as child abuse.
It is utterly cruel to purposedully deprive a child of the joy of creating music. They will be taken into foster care, and adopted out. If parents came from another country, they will be deported.
bruno dore says
In Italy similar events were recently reported, I have notice of facts in Turin, Vicenza and Reggio Emilia (Northern Italy).
http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/niente-lezione-flauto-scuola-lislam-vieta-1202480.html
http://gazzettadireggio.gelocal.it/reggio/cronaca/2015/12/07/news/famiglie-musulmani-contro-le-lezioni-di-musica-il-sindaco-non-sono-possibili-deroghe-1.12578022
http://www.avvenire.it/Cronaca/Pagine/espulso-imam-nemico-musica.aspx
moreover: Islamic headphone hour music
The daughter goes to school with the headphones in my ears because the father does not want you listen to the music lesson “stuff infidels”. It happens to the middle school in Reggello (FI; 2010)
http://laici.forumcommunity.net/?t=42359719
No action was taken against the parents, but recently an imam was expelled, it had forbidden the “madrassa” boys to listen music during school lessons (Vicenza,2015) .
Imam ai bimbi: a scuola niente musica. Espulso
http://www.avvenire.it/Cronaca/Pagine/espulso-imam-nemico-musica.aspx
Notably a christian family had five children forcibly removed from their home by gowerment: excess of was. The parents were “they were guilty of “Christian radicalism and indoctrination.”
http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/norwegian-govt.-seizes-5-children-from-parents-for-alleged-christian-indoct
marion mann says
multiculturalism combined with the religious accommodation is as ridiculous as these crybabies’ religion. All they want is more free money by suing.. this disruption for Canadian children costs the taxpayers and should be billed to the mosques. they do not belong here and i am sick of their antics. i wish they would disappear ,especially the muslim MPs who are overly represented .
Sonya Bourachaga says
Recently the educational system in Toronto was under a fierce Islamic assault, to force infidels who are key decision makers in shaping young minds and spirits, to accept and tolerate the intolerance of the most “Perfect Religion” Allah imposed on humanity-Islam.
Remember what happened in 2011 when Muslim fundamentalists, forced the TDSB to allow the use of a public secular educational institution as an arena where the will of Allah should unfold. Muslim students were allowed to convert every Friday the school’s cafeteria into a Mosque, and hold Friday prayers guided by a Muslim cleric. For more details about the tragedy of Valley Park Middle School, on Overlea Blvd, in The City of Toronto, check the following link:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.ca/2011/10/open-letter-to-ywca-canada.html
The most recent attack was initiated by a Quran/Koran teacher, an active member of a Scarborough Mosque, named Mohammad Nouman Dasu, who wanted his children to be exempted from music classes held at Toronto’s Donwood Park elementary school, based on a set of Islamic theological principles, that see a direct causal effect between listening to instrumental music and the corruption of the soul of children and their pursuit of pious activities that should be devoted to the praise of Allah-Subhanahu Wa Taala.
Mr. Mohammad Nouman Dasu, a venerable Koran instructor, extremely well versed with the authoritative HADITH, and the fatwas of Moslem theologians, conveniently forgot the warnings of Ibn Taymiyyah the famous 12th century Hanbali theologian, the most frequently quoted by Sallafi and Islamic Jihadi movements, who insisted on the death punishment “when a Muslim selectively forsakes what he knows of the Book of God [The Koran] and of the sunna of his messenger and follows the ruling of a ruler which contravenes a ruling of God and his messenger, he is a renegade, an unbeliever who deserves to be punished in this world and in the hereafter.” Source: Michot, Yahya (2012). The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought. Princeton University Press.
Mr. Dasu, through the process of selective amnesia decided what should or shouldn’t be part of his children’s “Islamic Religious Piety Requirements”. He conveniently forgot that a “True Muslim” should stay in his native Muslim country instead of immigrating to a country like Canada, where the dominant social, educational, and legal values are based on a modern form of secularism rooted in the Judeo-Christian tradition, not the Sharia advocated by Ibn Taymiyyah. He should have taken seriously the following warnings of Allah:
“Believers, do not make friends with any men other than your own people. They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is clear from what they say, but more violent is the hatred which their breasts conceal”. Koran 3:118
“Satan has gained possession of The People of The Book (Jews and Christians) and caused them to forget Allah’s warnings. They are the confederates of Satan; Satan’s confederates shall assuredly be lost in hell. The Believers are the confederates of Allah (Hizbollah); and Allah’s confederates shall surely triumph”. Koran 58:19
Instead of wasting valuable time cursing our educational system and insisting to decision makers of a publicly funded school that music is condemning the soul of his children to eternal damnation, it is never too late for Mr. Dasu to move back with the 130 parents who signed his petition to their ancestral Muslim countries, because ineluctably he and his loved ones will face eternal damnation as long as they stay in the land of The Koofar (Arabic for infidels-any human being who is not a Muslim) known as Canada, and selectively pretend to be the defenders of Islamic values. His destiny is clearly forewarned in the following Koranic verse:
“Leave to me those that deny and use selectively this revelation. We will lead them step by step to their ruin, in ways beyond their knowledge”. Koran 68:44
Based on the previous verse Mr. Dasu, or any pious Muslim, should not deny the following revelations that “blatantly spread hate” against Christians and Jews in particular, and all the Koofars of the world in general.
“ Know that we send down to the unbelievers (Jews and Christians) Devils who incite them to evil. Therefore have patience: their days are numbered”.
Koran 19:83 Christianophobia/Judeophobia
“We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers (Jews and Christians). They serve other Gods for whom no sanction has been revealed. Hell shall be their home; dismal indeed is the dwelling place of the evil-doers”. Koran 3:151 Christianophobia/Judeophobia
A verse often used by Muslim radicals to remind all Muslims that they have “Divine Intructions” and duty to exercise terror or engage in acts of terrorism, to kill indiscriminately innocent children, women, and seniors attending a wedding or using the public transit system to impose the will of Allah which is clearly the final triumph of the “Perfect Deen (Arabic for religion)”. After all Jews and Christians worship Gods that have not been sanctioned by the Allah of the “Perfect Deen”- Islam, and they are all classified as evil-doers who shall perish in an earthly hell of Muslim design, make, and timing.
“Do you fear the unbelievers (Jews and Christians)? Surely Allah is more worthy of your fear. If you are true believers make war on them; Allah will chastise them through you and humble them. He will grant you victory over them and heal the spirit of the faithful”. Koran 9:14 Christianophobia/Judeophobia
“Cast into hell every hardened unbeliever, every opponent from the people of the book (Jews and Christians), and every doubting transgressor who has set up another God besides Allah. Hurl him into the fierce tormenting flames of hell”. Koran 50:24 Christianophobia/Judeophobia
Jews do not worship Allah. They worship Adonai and Elohim… Christians are no better. Their Allah is known as Christ. Suicide bombers use this verse to justify the blowing up of their explosive charges on buses and in a variety of public places frequented by Jews and Christians. By becoming a “Shahid” (Arabic for martyr) and securing a place in Allah’s heavenly kingdom, the suicide bomber is hurling his victims (hardened unbelievers) into the fierce tormenting flames of hell-the inferno created by the explosion in a confined space.
And to all Canadian apologists/liberal useful idiots who believe that tolerance should remain one of the most distinct characteristics of our democracy, I invite them to reflect on the following statement of British novelist Dorothy Sayers:
“In this world it is called Tolerance, but in hell it is called indifference, the sin that believes in nothing, cares for nothing, seeks to know nothing, interferes with nothing, enjoys nothing, hates nothing, finds purpose in nothing, lives for nothing, and remains alive because there is nothing for which it will die.”
Instead of advocating the tolerance of the most intolerant religion, we can at least suggest to Mr. Mohammad Nouman Dasu, that the best solution for him and likeminded parents will be to leave Canada and settle down with their families in one of the Afghan Provinces under TALIBAN control. Remember what The Taliban did in September 1996 when they entered the capital Kabul.
The Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Suppression of Vice (PVSV), between September and December 1996 closed all movie theaters and banned a variety of activities and electronic items: music, shaving of beards, keeping of pigeons, flying kites, displaying of pictures and portraits, Western hairstyles, music and dancing at weddings, gambling, “sorcery,” and not praying 5 times a day at prayer times publicly announced often meant severe beatings and long hospital stays. Satellite dishes, cinematography, and equipment that produces the joy of music, pool tables, chess, alcohol, tapes, computers, VCRs, televisions, were confiscated and burned in stadiums. In February 2001, Taliban used sledgehammers to destroy works of art at the National Museum of Afghanistan. And last but not least, in March 2001, the Taliban ordered the demolition of two statues of the Buddha carved into a Cliffside at Bamiyan. The savagery was condemned by The UN and many countries around the world, including Muslim countries.
I am sure The Taliban will welcome Mr. Dasu and his entourage with open arms, and Canada will be free of a substantial number of fanatics who have nothing but contempt of our social values.
Sonya Bourachaga