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France: Muslims launch “incredibly violent” attack against two couples because the women were wearing shorts

Sep 10, 2016 8:32 am By Robert Spencer

“While there was no proof the shorts attack was ideologically motivated…” Nonsense. There is no group but Muslims who would accost women wearing shorts and start screaming things at them such as “Dirty whore, get naked.” This ongoing denial and willful ignorance is not just ridiculous; it’s dangerous, as it fosters complacency among people when they should be informed, aware, and resolute.

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“Families attacked in southern France as ‘women were wearing shorts,'” by Henry Samuel, Telegraph, September 8, 2016:

Two families on a cycle ride in Toulon, southern France, came under violent attack after assailants hurled insults at two female partners for wearing shorts, according to prosecutors.

The attack, carried out by a group of youths from a housing estate in the Mediterranean port town, has sparked claims that parts of France are prey to an Islamist “morality police”.

Two couples with their three children and a friend were on a Sunday afternoon outing on bikes and roller blades when the “incredibly violent” attack took place, according to Var Matin, the local newspaper.

They were passing near the Cité des Oeillets, an estate in eastern Toulon, when a group of adolescents starting insulting the women of the group because of their shorts, including jibes such as: “Dirty whore, get naked.”

When their male partners sought to intervene, a larger group of youths arrived and a fight ensued, according to the Toulon prosecutor; Bernard Marchal.

“The male partners had simply asked them to respect their women and that sparked the fight. The three men were violently beaten on the face in front of their children. This was provocation of a sexual nature with the intention of forcing a reaction out of the men present,” said Mr Marchal.

One of the men was severely beaten and has had to take a month off work, while another had his nose broken. The women were lightly injured and the children suffered from shock.

Thanks to CCTV, police were able to identify and arrest two suspects, aged 17 and 19, and a preliminary investigation has been launched to identify other suspects….

Maud Vallet posted a Facebook picture of herself in shock afterwards with the caption: “Hello, I’m a slag”. The post received over 81,000 “likes”, or signs of readers’ anger and sadness over the incident.

She recounted asking her taunters: “Why are you calling me a whore because I’m wearing shorts while a man can walk around the centre of town bare-chested without anyone saying anything?”

She said they replied: “Because you’re a woman and should respect yourself, you idiot.”…

While there was no proof the shorts attack was ideologically motivated, on Thursday, Céline Pina, a former regional councillor for the Paris area who wrote a book called Guilty Silence, warned of “Islamist violence that is growing everywhere in France against women.”

“The burkini question, the rise of the full veil, the attack on women in shorts and beating up their partners contributes to the same logic, namely to turn a woman’s body into a social and political issue, a litmus test of the advance of an ideology within society,” she wrote in Le Figaro.

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Comments

  1. Praeceptor Maximus says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 8:39 am

    I said it before; I say it again. Since our leaders have turned traitors, people must rise up against their governments. Pure and simple. Viva la revolution.

    • Westman says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 9:31 am

      There will be no physical revolution though LePen will gain political traction in France.

      The religious civil wars in the ME bypassed the state and so will the vigilantism that will arise in Europe when the citizens stop listening to the state’s excuses for non-action. It’s just a matter of time.

      • Praeceptor Maximus says

        Sep 10, 2016 at 9:39 am

        Vigilantism is equally fine with me. Anything that will stop Islam is fine with me. But I just want people to do something – anything. I just do NOT want us to take any more abuse from Muslims.

        • Charli Main says

          Sep 10, 2016 at 12:20 pm

          Violence is the only thing these Muslim shyte understand and respect.

          Being ” nice ” to Muslims and responding to their attacks in a “civilized” manner will have the end result of us all being murdered or banging our heads five times a day in the direction of mecca.

        • Mark Swan says

          Sep 11, 2016 at 12:15 am

          In Muslim culture, anger is prevalent, and being a threat to people is seen as strong and socially accepted.

          Muslim culture does not allow the same level of human dignity, allowed in the civilized world, so physical pain and threats are usually the known way to raise their children. This is why so many Muslim girls can grow up to accept violence in their own marriages, and why Muslim boys grow up using violence. Muslims traditionally use pain and threats on children in Muslim schools — even if they live in the West.

          Have a moderate Muslim, one at idle speed, the potential even then can be violent.

        • Shane says

          Sep 11, 2016 at 4:04 pm

          Fortunately, in the USA we have the first and second amendments which make it harder for liberals and the government to make us a defenseless as so many Europeans are.

      • Mary says

        Sep 11, 2016 at 2:38 pm

        They should just kick the savages out of the country and back to where they belong, in the Middle East with all their buddies that believe the same thing.

    • Sam says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 12:20 pm

      Agreed. Civil war is almost inevitable in Europe. Question remains which country will start expelling Muslims from Europe to their religion of peace countries like Saudi Arabia. Spain did it in the 15th century. It can be done again.

      I hope we do it soon here in America before massive bloodshed starts. However, unfortunately, history dictates that peace comes for a while after tremendous loss of innocent lives as evil does not go away peacefully. Islam is evil and will not go away peacefully.

    • John Billings says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 6:39 pm

      I agree. Our leaders, including POTUS Obama, are all part of the leftist/Islamist alliance (LIA). The only way to restore order and liberty in our nations, besieged as we are by militant Muslims, is to expel the LIA from our government and replace them with Patriots.

    • Peter Charles says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 10:40 pm

      Yes indeed, shoot the islamist pond scum slugs.

    • Debbie says

      Sep 11, 2016 at 5:32 am

      Damned be those traitors who brought this trash into our countries & continue to support our enemies.

    • Guest says

      Sep 11, 2016 at 7:35 pm

      That is precisely why the second amendment was put in place.

  2. Stephanie says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 8:48 am

    OT
    Today,
    12:30 min. brave Robert Spencer, ‘… is Islamic State a state?’

    ➡Q2:30 ‘… thy Lord said … “I will create a vicegerent/viceroy/KHALIF on earth.”

    https://twitter.com/schnellmann_org/status/774562013670469632

  3. Angemon says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 8:54 am

    The male partners had simply asked them to respect their women and that sparked the fight.

    Very similar, in nature, to a recent incident in the UK. I can’t find the link but it was a muslim man who told a young muslim couple in front of a school they couldn’t cuddle. When they said they were not muslims, the man called the girl a “whore” and when the boy intervened the man attacked him.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 9:33 am

      One possible difference in this appears to be an attack on infidel women.
      So much for the Islamophobia meme of Muslimas being the victims of non-Muslims.

  4. Alien Republican says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 9:17 am

    They will not get punished and if it will not affect them much because hardly anybody of them will have a decent job. On the other hand, if the victims had defended themselves….

    If “justice” were credibly discouraging violent acts such things would not have happend. “They” can’t and prefer to delay the inevitable, a violent backlash, by disarming the citizens.

    • SteveFinSC says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 9:03 pm

      This was my thought. Europe is lost unless the people vote the Leftist Islamophiles out of office because the Leftist will prosecute the victims for defending themselves against the Muslim aggressors. We have seen it there before with the young woman in one of the Scandinavian countries (I think it was) being prosecuted for pepper spraying a Muslim that was trying to rape her. How stupid can you get? The result of all this will be that European women will either have to wear Muslim garb to avoid attack or stay home. Either way the Muslims win. European men are going to have to step up and defend their women and themselves more effectively. The Muslims apparently travel in large groups. The European males will have to start doing the same. There will be blood in the streets.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 12, 2016 at 1:43 am

        Unfortunately this is the future for our kids and grandkids.
        Even if the traitors get voted out of the office there is still enough Muslims in Europe to be a real problem. They can’t build enough jails and at what cost?
        They are not going to deport anyone, especially the ones born there and they are usually more rabid than their parents.
        They will breed out of control in no time and their numbers will be even greater soon enough.
        So what is the answer?
        We are going to be unsafe in our own homes as well as on the streets. We can’t jail them all and we know that putting them in jail will result in violence and forced conversions to Islam in jails and there will always be more and more to take their place.
        This is not being defeatist but reality. This is what is happening now. We jail them and more take their place.

      • Judi says

        Sep 26, 2016 at 5:20 pm

        @steveFinSC – yes, that country was Denmark.

  5. Jay Boo says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 9:26 am

    Hillary Clinton’s — Muslim “friends”

  6. Jay Boo says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 9:36 am

    Ironically

    All HIJAB Muslim women are hijab whores.
    The sell themselves cheap for Islam.

  7. Baucent says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 9:44 am

    France is on the brink of being lost as a tolerant Western society. The Islamists are becoming bolder by the day as the State seems clueless to stop their advance.

  8. G. R. Gunning says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 9:49 am

    Time for every patriot to arm themselves with something “repulsive.” Seeing as we are denied conventional weapons, perhaps some sort of squirt gun loaded with pig fat and pork pieces.

    • Guest says

      Sep 11, 2016 at 7:37 pm

      Too bad the French do not have such luxuries

    • Christine Baker says

      Sep 12, 2016 at 5:35 pm

      Hilarious!

  9. hi moe says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 10:15 am

    Vile creatures should go back home where they belong.

  10. Havoc says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 10:19 am

    Close the mosques. Deport the muslims.
    .
    All of them.
    .
    “No Muslims. No Mosques”
    .
    It works.

  11. JAR says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 10:27 am

    “While there was no proof the shorts attack was ideologically motivated…”

    Time for a ban on shorts, too. Let us not allow them a foothold for bullying and violence.

    If there is no ideology to motivate these attacks, and if the attacks are symptomatic of an outbreak of a certain mental illness which seems to be the cause of such unrest, can the illness be identified and eradicated?

    • Peggy says

      Sep 12, 2016 at 1:46 am

      I am sure that Christian women don’t wear shorts in the ME and they still get attacked.
      What’s the excuse there?
      They’ll say anything to excuse their evil deeds.

  12. Mr Flagio says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 10:46 am

    This is also caused by the frustration of Muslims who don’t have pretty white women as wives or girlfriends – and never will have. They envy the French men who do.
    What normal white woman would want a life with a Muslim who would put her into a burka ?

    Does the government think that Muslim migrants find white women to marry? They won’t. They can’t. Those people probably came also expecting romance with white girls and they are eventually finding that this is not working.
    Just my guess.

    • t. says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 11:08 am

      Unfortunately, Mr. Flagio, your guess is wrong!

    • Alien Republican says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 2:51 pm

      Many Muslims in France are from Algeria. They look pretty much like Europeans.

      • Charli Main says

        Sep 11, 2016 at 7:32 am

        True. Many Algerians, especially Berbers can easily pass off as Southern Europeans.

        I suspect that this is because many of these ” Algerians” are the descendants of the Romano/Byzantine folk that populated the region for centuries.

    • Pong says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 3:02 pm

      Go on youtube. On Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia, young women were asked, if they would marry a moslem. Everyone of them said yes. When asked, if they convert, all of them said yes as well. Most converts are women. Clinton, who wants to bring millions of moslem “refugees” to America, heavily supported by young women. Conversions to islam among the men is almost totally limited to jails and gangs and those conversations have surviving instinct attached to it. Married women seems to do a bit betterin understanding what islam is all about.

      Vigilante is not an answer to moslem invasion. It will not happen, it will not work and it’s against the law. Civil war is also just a wishful thinking. Just look how many people come to pro-palestinian protests and how many to pro-israel rallies.
      Europe is lost and will be islamic in a few short years. America and Australia will follow.
      All we can do is to vote for politicians, who are clearly against islamisation. Young women have parents and those parents are responsible for how those women look at islam. Americans have an opportunity to stop (or slow down) islamisation. Electing hrc will continue process of islamisation and reduce the chance of turning back this process to zero even after she leaves the office in 8 years. Open borders and leftist propaganda will leave no chance for anyone but democrat to be elected. If you think hrc is bad, waight for what is coming after her.

      • Spartakus says

        Sep 10, 2016 at 7:31 pm

        I’d say they (Bondi) were just naive and young. Plus they didn’t want to appear ‘racist’ in front of the camera. A long way from what they would really be prepared to do.

      • t. says

        Sep 11, 2016 at 4:53 pm

        I agree with what you said, Pong! I see it around me, here where I live, no need to check Bondi beach, Sydney, as for the last 12 to 18 months, many native western women converted to Islam and then married a Muslim, or married a Muslim and then converted.

        Meanwhile, that doesn’t include how many other native western women who are having Muslim boy friends or temporary romantic affairs with Muslims.

        The roots of the problem of Islam in the west runs deeper than many would think. To start with, the majority of people on the planet, not only westerners, don’t know how their brains, psychology and whole bodies, for that matter, function. In addition many think that they are rational beings taking rational decisions while in reality it’s not the case, at least in 90% of them!

        Above all, many are not aware of the major part neurological conditioning and the dual power of pain and pleasure play in their lives.

        Islam is merely exploiting all these points concerning human psychology, social behaviors, herd mentality, the superior power of pain over that of pleasure as a motivator, inconsistency and incongruity in human behaviors and thinking, ignorance of history, ignorance of the real place that money should have in human lives and finally willful ignorance, in general, for fundamental truths and realities in life, including the real nature of Islam and its belief system.

        • Pong says

          Sep 11, 2016 at 5:51 pm

          T.say
          Your post is very interesting to say the least.
          Unfortunately, very few people will understand what you are talking about.
          If you could elaborate on some points, it would be very interesting reading. Of cause, many will become hysterical and you will be called names (misogynist is one, which comes to mind), but it’s all right, I have been called names and still alive.

      • t. says

        Sep 12, 2016 at 10:45 am

        I appreciate your comment, Pong, that’s kind of you. Yes, I will further explain and expand on at least some of the points I wrote in my above comment but unfortunately not right now due to a time constraint.

        I will do it either as a follow up here or on another suitable news item on JW, where you also have a comment.

  13. Alvin Woods says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 10:52 am

    Yet again and again and again. No one is fighting back??????
    Why are we not reading, ” the muslim attackers were eventually found, hog tied in a local river, dead and naked with their testicles and penises stuffed down their throats”???

    Yet these shitheads will be given 1 year in a muslim run jail and once out be double hungry for revengeful jihad.

    • Charli Main says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 1:16 pm

      No-no-no !!! can´t do that because we are ” civilised” and should respond to Muslim attacks in a ” civilized and lawful” manner.

      Invite them round for a ” civilized” chat, a glass of sherbet and ask them to be nice and respect our ” civilized” ways.

      There, that should work. All nice and ” civilized”

  14. Jay Boo says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 11:12 am

    If a woman wearing shorts can be called a ‘salope’, then Allah was Muhammad’s personal ‘putain’.

  15. Kay says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 11:41 am

    The lovely young women probably had been thinking about joyous things that bring life: nature, beauty, family, education, music, helping others . . .

    And then the conversation changed . . .

    This “multiculturalism” being forced on us is not multiculturalism which had at its core acceptance and enrichment. When Mohammedens are involved, “multicultural” means supremacy and bigotry and misogyny and terror.
    Yet another word that now has an alternate meaning.

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 10:20 pm

      Mohammedanism is more “subtraction” than “addition” to society. Take away Christianity, Judaism, music, fashion, freedom of speech and dress, fun, joy, dogs, barbecue, the Golden Rule – then the Mohammedan is pleased.

      What do they add to society: laziness, ignorance, cousin marriage, the burka, FGM, honor killings, halal butchering practices, morality police…

      Ain’t multiculturalism grand?

  16. rick says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 12:18 pm

    Let me say trump is right,the muslim countries i am sorry to say.need dictators to stop these muslims going anywhere.Just see whats happening to all muslim countries where there were dictators .Those countries were operating smoothly.Saddam.Gaddafi,barrack of egypt now syrian president all ruled them with an iron fist.unfortunately some people had to be ruled like that cause there are some barbarians among them.The moderate muslims have no say..these mullas,fanatic muslim preachers women beaters slave traders were all kept in check now see after Bush,Obama,hillary removed them its total chaos terror groups are appearing like mushrooms and even exporting to other countries.its called islamic radicals .very dangerous people.so they need a dictator regarding putin yes you are right but what can we do we are weak now china is getting stronger now we have to do politics and be smart keep them close and get things done

  17. Rolf Wittwer says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    Fact is:
    Since 9/11 they are at war with Civilization.
    Final destination is implementing devils empire under the umbrella of religion.
    The Quran gives all the specific answers and instructions!
    Look around what’s going on day by day now – worldwide.
    And never you can see any serious big protests or rebellion by any islamic organisation, group etc.!
    This fact is telling us all about the mental situation of every Muslim on the planet.
    Something must be done very soon.

  18. Allan says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 12:34 pm

    Céline Pina…warned of “Islamist violence that is growing everywhere in France against women.”

    Yet are not most women in France leftists? Is not Islamic colonization of Europe a favorite project of the left? Is it not the left which hoots “Islamophobia” most loudly and with self-righteous indignation when Muslims are condemned for their obnoxious cult? Are not leftist women most likely among all women to be attacked by Muslims?

    • Sam says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 1:03 pm

      “Are not leftist women most likely among all women to be attacked by Muslims?”

      Yes but they are the avid protectors of Islam as they believe that all cultures are equal and we all want the same thing. Peace and love kind of stuff. Islam enabling liberals are really the enemy of freedom in my book.

      • Kay says

        Sep 10, 2016 at 1:15 pm

        Enablers of evil are the enemy of true peace.
        Muhammedism espouses and promotes evil, justifying it and frequently calling it good (with an alternate meaning).

        People who come to our country should embrace our laws and be able to salute our flag, freedom and justice for all (& NOT by alternate meanings).
        But I fear there’s a growing anti-Americanism much like the anti-Christianism that has already weakened our values.

      • bernie says

        Sep 12, 2016 at 7:24 am

        On youtube, please see the animated video:

        “I’m a Feminist, I’m an Islamist” by Sye Ten Atheist (I think his youtube name is; he has a bunch of other interesting vids as well, not just about Islam.)

  19. Georg says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    “There is no group but Muslims who would accost women wearing shorts and start screaming things at them such as ‘Dirty whore, get naked.'”

    And that is a fact.

    • carol says

      Sep 25, 2016 at 8:04 pm

      And to do it in front of their children! It’s their way of stating “There are no borders for religious fanatics”. These self-righteous bullies ought to be somehow eliminated, dispossessed of their lands and then have it given to more intelligent, constructive people e.g. the Jews. They’re nothing more than a silly blight on humanity with a crazy-ass tale to tell.

  20. CogitoErgoSum says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    Such incidents as this are far worse “hate crimes” than ones in which a Muslim woman is rebuked because of her head covering. What makes it worse is the way the Muslims are such cowards when alone but become so “brave” when they have the advantage in numbers (or weapons) and turn to violence. What a stinking, vile and loathsome religion these people follow. I hate the way it is turning the world into Hell. Where I once saw a woman’s head scarf as a symbol of modesty, I now see it as a sign of support for not only the suppression of women but also of aggression against the personal freedom of every man, woman and child on this planet. Muslims like to call others “idiots” but no one can take that title away from anyone who would follow such an idiotic religion.

    • Karen says

      Sep 10, 2016 at 6:32 pm

      I used to admire Muslims for what I perceived as values; family, chastity, marriage, etc. The very rare occurrence of a woman wearing a headscarf evoked something along the lines of admiration. Now, the last 15 years have taught me to wonder whether most Muslims would stand up for America, the Constitution, or their non-Muslim neighbors, a doubt I hadn’t previously had. Certainly none will openly defy their imams. Expressions of outreach often seem very self-serving; one-way interfaith dialogs and training sessions that cultivate acceptance of Islam, directed only toward the non-Muslim. (Why not some mutual understanding?) And ‘Wear a Hijab’ events that present a partial truth, and deceive the young. So, I have come to see the headscarf as simply a political statement, and have learned to fear Islam.

    • Afrostreewise says

      Sep 11, 2016 at 1:45 am

      Exactly. Muslims every where are very cowardly and will never attack any one when equally matched. But let them have a superior weapon or heavily outnumber their opponents, and everything changes. They because extremely aggressive and domineering. One of my best post here on Jihad watch was from a contributor (I think he/she was from Asia may be India) put thus “If there is only one muslim you can get along fine and even be friends. If there are two muslims, they start making fun of you. If there are three muslims they attack you”. Very good observation.

    • carol says

      Sep 25, 2016 at 8:08 pm

      It’s just a “holier than thou” rag that saves them from “bad hair days”.

  21. davej says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    Yes, notice it is almost always “a group of youths”, followed in this case by “a larger group of youths”. They attack in packs, like wolves, because, in addition to being predators, they are pitiable cowards. They are “offended” by your freedom to wear what you want, listen to music, have a pet dog, eat a pork sandwich, practice freedom of speech and so on. They are determined to eliminate these freedoms thru threats, attacks, bullying and murder.

    France is now 10% Muslims. Their prison population is 70% Muslims (and would be higher if all these violent thugs were actually arrested).

    No Muslims, no Mosques. They will never “assimilate”, they seek only our submission.

  22. Lynn in Florida says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    Koran 33:59 Instructs Mohammad to tell his wives and daughter and those of the faithful to cover their bodies with their veils so that Muslim men will recognize them as Muslims and not molest them. It also in effect declares that it is OK for Muslim men to molest women who are not wearing Muslim dress. So part of the reason that Muslim women wear hijab is to prevent Muslim men on the street from raping them. Obviously they know the predilections of Muslim men best.

  23. thelastvirgingoat says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    The poor fellows just thought they were saving the oppressed western prostitute ‘s from their pimps.how could they know .they just don’t understand the culture.

  24. duh swami says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    It’s not a fight when the mob beats you up…It’s hard to beat the mob but I can sent the closest 3 to the hospital, or morgue, using a 6 inch piece of broom handle…Kubaton, or yawara stick…My own design is approved by a 9t degree black belt Grand Master of Karate…Maximum stopping power, for a self defense hand weapon…II don’t sell these but make them as gifts for black belts and family members…They are not for children or thugs…

  25. Marty says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    Islam is a death cult that has been at war with western civilization for 14 centuries. Inbred Muslims are only in Europe to get on welfare, breed, and institutionalized misery.

  26. steve1 says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    Cultural Enrichment courtesy of Hillary/Obama.

    Hillary/Obama were foundational in the creation of ISIS.

    Hillary/Obama ignored the expansion of ISIS and the Genocide of Christians as well as Yazidis.

    Hillary/Obama interventionist policies aided ISIS and were a pretext for the Mass Migration of Muslims.

    Hillary will bring Millions of Muslims to America if elected.

    HILLARY WANTS TO BE AMERICA`S ANGELA MERKEL-Donald Trump

  27. epistemology says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    France is the country in Europe that suffered most. from muzzie attacks. They killed 238 civilians in a about a year. But a woman surrounded by four non-violent flics who had to take off her burkini is presented as a poor victim to the world public. Boohoo. It’s the same old story muzzies are always right unless we enforce our laws and customs. These women are dressed appropriately according to the weather and muzzies have to keep their traps shut. If they don’t like what .they see, they can leave. the country, no Frenchman will shed a tear.

  28. Mark A says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    A taste of what will likely become more and more common in Europe.

  29. JS says

    Sep 10, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    So the problem is we want to live an a society where you’re FREE to do what you want. And therefore we allow people to exercise religious freedom, even if their religion says that we shouldn’t be free. And this leads to some wildly contradictory results. Like, Muslims are free to spew hate speech against the people of the country they are trying to colonize. And on the other hand, a secular country like France where you’re allowed to do whatever you want with your body, goes ahead and makes it a crime to wear too much modest clothing at the beach. The ridiculousness of that was highlighted by the nuns in Italy who go to the beach in their habits.

    The appropriate response is not to ban an article of clothing or some other outward manifestation of the fascist/leftist/jihadi syndrome possessing Orientalists, Islamists and their apologizers. It’s to address the fundamental question at the heart of this (and every other) conflict between logic and religion. The question as framed for normal, western people is: “Can you tolerate someone doing something you disagree with?” However, to ask that question to an Islamic-formatted mind, you have to frame it differently. Somehow, they must be made to understand that they can be tolerated in their own beliefs but that those beliefs may not encroach upon the freedoms of others.

    Knowing many Muslims, some of whom I’m friends with and can even have a drink with, I’m still at a loss as to how to ask that. It’s as if intolerance is a part of the bedrock DNA of what they grew up with. And I’m not sure how to explain that the principle of tolerance is more important than the principle of whatever you believe being proven right.

    I don’t think the solution is to kill them or throw them out, but I’d like to point out that our democratic and free countries have a huge challenge in finding a way to combat this ideology, and until someone finds a way to explain to religious zealots that human lives matter more than their stupid opinions, they will continue to attack and kill for no more reason than that their brains are formatted in a terrible, violent and angry way.

    • stevePDX says

      Sep 11, 2016 at 3:52 am

      JS,
      The answer to your question of how do you explain tolerance to someone who is intolerant is that you can’t! A.E. Van Vougt called it the “logic of levels”. By that he meant is the levels of emotional development which determines and limits the ability of a person to understand and apply logic and reason in his actions. Simply you should never expect a person to go beyond the bounds of their emotional development. The cultural conditioning is too difficult to overcome except by exceptional persons. If the West has all the money and time in the world to spend on re-conditioning these people, then it might be possible. But the reality is that when you have domestic dogs packing and killing cattle and sheep then you shoot the dogs. They cannot be rehabilitated. The same with Islam. Islam is a mind conditioning of the most vile type. It appeals to the male emotions of dominance/submission, violence/rape and insider (gang)/ outsider (prey). It is a violent and evil ideology which must be controlled by rigorous education about its tenets and effects as well and legally banned and prosecuted. It is no more a religion then Nazism was. Unfortunately we are caught up in a mind-knot which says all religions must be respected. That is like saying all bacteria have a right to life just because some bacteria are beneficial. It ignores the fact that some bacteria will kill you.

      We in the West had the moral courage to recognize and fight Fascism and Communism but we are paralyzed by the cultural mind double think in to inability to recognize the danger and the enemy. Indeed the Muslim Brotherhood is well along to achieving their goal.

      I look on the natural world to see how species, individuals and the immune system in our body deal with outside threats. I apply those observations to our society and recognize that those ideas or societies which threaten us must be countered or we will be weakened or conquered. Our current cultural mantra of “all societies are equal and must be respected” has a paralyzing effect and leaves us unable to act.

  30. 1stAmendmentRick says

    Sep 11, 2016 at 3:48 am

    One day soon, Europe is going to awaken to calls to prayer from a minerette and they are going to wonder how they let it happen. On the other hand, we in America are very much aware of the clear and present danger of Islam and its extreme tenets but we also have the advantage of 250-300 million firearms in the hands of over 100 million citizens and we won’t hesitate to invoke our right to defend our country against all invaders, both foreign and domestic.
    Wake Up World!! The Anti-Christ is among us waiting.
    NEVER FORGET – NEVER 09/11/2001

  31. Spike1033 says

    Sep 11, 2016 at 6:19 am

    Your assumption about the left in Europe is erroneous. Despite the well-publicised power of the left in Europe the power of the right is often misconstrued as dying. The right-wing, conservative middle-class is still very strong because they control the money. The large houses in quiet residential estates hidden away are where the real power resides. Hollande, Merkel and May are well-aware of this and are careful to protect the large anonymous financial institutions. The ordinary people are irrelevant. They know that if they threaten the power of the ‘money-men’ then their days are numbered. That time is very close because the ‘money-men’ do not like instability.

  32. William Dorgan says

    Sep 11, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    The book “The Islamic Conquest of Europe 2020” on Amazon.com is a prophetic book originally written in 2004 and laid out in excruciating detail the downfall of the West.

    Everything written back then has happened …and unfortunately the worst is yet to come for both Europe, the U.S.A. and our families.

  33. Ballantine1979 says

    Sep 12, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    Actually according to one of the victims/witnesses, one of the young ladies there, no one was wearing shorts:

    “No one had shorts [on]. This is not what happened

    “We were with our family. We returned from two hours of roller skating (for the daughters) and bicycling (for the sons). Out of the blue, a young man said to me: “Get naked!” I didn’t understand. Then he addressed my sister: “You, you’re pretty.”

    “My sister was jogging, and I was in leggings with with knee socks, knee pads, elbow pads and a cap. No shorts.”

    “My husband told him to talk more respectfully to us, that we were ladies. The young man, who was with others busy drinking and smoking joints, responded in a taunting voice: “These aren’t ladies, they’re whores.”

    The two young women were then shoved and their male companions were in turn beaten with blows for trying to intercede.

    “I saw my husband on the ground. Unconscious. The
    The youths held onto a fence to give them better vantage to continue to beat them [with kicks]. My brother-in-law intervened to help. There were a dozen of them. They beat him. You could see his head being completely thrashed.”

    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/familles-agressees-a-toulon-violence-gratuite-apres-des-insultes-sexistes-09-09-2016-2067262_23.php
    http://lesalonbeige.blogs.com/my_weblog/web.html

  34. Christine Baker says

    Sep 12, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    I live in Kent in England. Today, a few streets away from where I live, a young woman was attacked from behind by two Muslim men, a scarf was thrown over her head and she was thrown to the ground. Both men brutally raped her and after, whilst repeatedly stamping on her, told her they had AIDS. This poor young Mum is now in hospital being treated for the extensive injuries she sustained during this vicious and unprovoked attack. This incident took place at one in the afternoon. Islam should be banned worldwide.

  35. mark says

    Sep 13, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    But It is the muslims that are SATANS WHORES!

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