The question is this: is there anything in the idea of Islam that opposes the practice of secularism in France? The answer to that one will surprise Hollande, but he will discover it eventually.
“France’s secular laws can accommodate Islam: Hollande,” AFP, September 8, 2016:
President Francois Hollande insisted Thursday that France’s strict laws separating church and state do not prevent the country’s large Muslim minority from practising their religion.
In a speech on terrorism and democracy coming in the midst of a debate on the banning of the Islamic burkini swimsuit, Hollande said: “Nothing in the idea of secularism opposes the practice of Islam in France, provided it respects the law.”
Mayors in around 30 French towns last month cited the country’s century-old secular laws in banning head-to-toe swimwear on their beaches, unleashing a furore.
Hollande said secularism was not a “state religion” to be used against other religions.
The state guaranteed “the right to believe or not to believe” as long the demonstration of that belief did “not disrupt public order,” he said….
“The question the Republic must answer is: Is it really ready to make place for a religion that it did not expect to be this big over a century ago. There too, my answer is yes, certainly.”

abel & solomon says
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The core beliefs of Islam derive from the Koran, Mohammed’s deeds and sayings as recorded in the Hadiths, and his biographies, the Sirats.
Women and Misogyny
In Islam, women are seen as impure, evil and unclean (Koran verse 5:6); “if ye have had contact with a woman… then go to clean…your face and hands” This verse is one of the roots of segregation of the sexes. Islam says women are inferior (4:34), “men are in charge of women because Allah made one of them to excel over the other…”; Ibn Kathir’s commentary on the Koran explains; “Men are superior to women, and a man is better than a woman.” Islam is very clearly incompatible with Human Rights which guarantee equality for women. Mohammed said; “O womenfolk…you lack common sense, you fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise…your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof”.
Slavery and FGM
The Islamic State says sex slavery is; “reviving a prophetic Sunnah (Islamic practice)… By Allah… We established it accordance to the prophetic way, with blood-red swords, not with fingers for voting or tweeting.” They justify this as being wholly Islamic quoting Koran verses; – (2:221) “indeed a slave woman…is better than a (free) Mushrikah (non-Muslim)”. Islam treats women as a man’s property, according to Mohammed; “Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another”, “Allah permits you… to beat them…for they are (like) domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves.” Sex slavery is nothing new in Islam, the Islamic warriors who invaded Spain in 711AD were promised “ravishingly beautiful” women as booty, and the female slave market in Tunis was only closed in the 1880’s by the invading French, after trading for over a thousand years since the days of the Fatimid Caliphate, throughout the so called “Golden Age” of Islam. Female Genital Mutilation (female circumcision) is a prescribed part of Sharia law.
Racism and Xenophobia
The Koran contains much racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic content, here’s a sample; (2:96) “you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind”, (2:90) “evil is that for which they sell their souls”, (5:51) “Take not Jews and Christians as friends”, (5:58) “They are a folk that understand not”, (5:59) “…most are evil-livers,” (5:60) “…apes and swine”, (9:30) “How perverse they are”, (62:5) “…like asses carrying books.” Could this be why a survey undertaken by ICM in 2015 found that British Muslims are three times more likely to have anti-Semitic opinions than the general population?
Tactical Lying
Taqiyya is tactical lying to promote or protect Islam. The author Sami Makarem in his recent book “Dissimulation in Islam” concluded; “Taqiyya is of fundamental importance to Islam… every sect agrees to it and practices it… Taqiyya is mainstream in Islam… very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era.” Indeed, Sharia Law manuals say that in some circumstances tactical lying is obligatory; “When it is possible to achieve an aim by lying… lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory.” As Jihad is obligatory under Sharia Law then endeavouring to make Jihad succeed by employing tactical lying is obligatory too. The San Bernardino gunman is on record as having said “Islam is a religion of peace” not long before going on violent jihad himself.
Terrorism
So what does the Koran truly say about this barbarism? (3:151) “We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who do not believe”, (8:12) “instil terror into the hearts of the non-Muslims…”, (8:39) “Make war until… all religion is that of Allah”, (9:14) “Fight them, Allah will punish them at your hands”, (9:29) “Fight the non-Muslims…until they pay a (monetary) tribute with surrender”, (4:101) “The non-Muslims are an open enemy to you…”, (9:73) “Make war on the non-Muslims…”, (4:47) “The commands of Allah must be carried out!”. The Muslim Brotherhood logo includes, under the Koran and crossed swords symbols, the phrase “Make Ready” which refers to verse (8:60); “Make ready all you have of force… to terrorize the enemies of Allah (the non-Muslims)”.
Jihad and Qatala
Islamic historian and philosopher Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) who greatly influenced the Ottoman Caliphate said this; “In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty… the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force… Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
gravenimage says
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steve brown says
Hollande is a Sharia Law devotee and traitor…http://freethoughtnation.com/what-does-the-koran-say-about-nonbelievers/
gravenimage says
No–this is silly. Like so many Western leaders, Hollande is in a great deal of denial over the extent of the threat of Islam, but to describe him as a “Sharia Law devotee” is absurd. What are you basing this on? Nothing he has said.
He has, in fact, been more robust than some leaders (albeit by default)–at least he names Islamic terrorism as a concern:
“Hollande: ‘France Is Under the Threat of Islamic Terrorism'”
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/14/hollande-france-under-threat-islamic-terrorism
Bob says
Hollande – another traitor to his country, like far too many western politicos, who refuse to face the truth!
Westman says
“Secular Islam” is a primal oxymoron and any leader that believes such an intrinsic dichotomy exists, is a moron.
Hollande-Erdoganism, the latest in oxymorons.
gravenimage says
I don’t think Hollande believes there is a “secular Islam”, but an Islam that is benign enough that it can be practiced in a secular state–just as Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths like Hinduism can be.
Unfortunately, he is gravely mistaken about this.
Lucretius says
Hollande doesn’t understand the meaning of Dīn, which is not the secularist’s understanding of “religion”. There is no compartmentalization of life which contemplates permanently, instead of merely tactically, giving space to secular law in the meaning of Dīn. As the wiki article on it says:
Dīn (دين, also anglicized as Deen) is a word in Arabic roughly meaning “creed” or “religion” that features heavily in Islam. It is also used in Sikh, Baha’i and Arab Christian worship. The term is loosely associated with religion, but in the Qur’an, it means the way of life in which righteous Muslims must adopt to comply with divine law (Quran and sunnah), or Shari’a, and to the divine judgment or recompense to which all humanity must inevitably face without intercessors before God. Thus, although secular Muslims would say that their practical interpretation of Dīn conforms to “religion” in the restricted sense of something that can be carried out in separation from other areas of life, both mainstream and reformist Muslim writers take the word to mean an all-encompassing way of life carried out under the auspices of God’s divine purpose as expressed in the Qur’an and hadith. As one notably progressive Muslim writer puts it, far from being a discrete aspect of life carried out in the mosque, “Islam is Dīn, a complete way of life”.
Lucretius says
To be more precise, Hollande not so much doesn’t understand the meaning of Dīn in a way that can be corrected by reading about it. More likely he mentally blocks himself from understanding it. And here he is showing that secularism is indeed working in him as a religion in the bad sense, a self-blinding dogmatic faith that all will be well if we trust in it.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Hollande said: “Nothing in the idea of secularism opposes the practice of Islam in France, provided it respects the law.”
The state guaranteed “the right to believe or not to believe” as long the demonstration of that belief did “not disrupt public order,” he said….
Well, Monsieur Hollande, I have news for you. I don’t think Muslims respect French laws. And Muslims have amply demonstrated that they can and will disrupt public order. They did it when they killed scores of people at a night club and when they drove a van over hapless French men, women and children. Monsieur Hollande, if you know anything about history, then you would know that history would not be kind to you. The day when the French people have to fight for their country and freedom, will be the day when you will be reviled. But don’t fret. You won’t be the only one. Plenty of western leaders, among whom will be Obama, will be reviled too, for you were all collectively the enemy of the western civilization.
Michael Laudahn says
How one can be such a patent f*ckwit while continuing to be a leader of a major white nation is simply beyond me.
kessler says
There is no such thing as secular islam.
Western leaders like Hollande look at the Muslims who decided to water down their beliefs in order to adapt to their host country and conclude that they are adherents to true Islam.
It’s the same people Muslims and their leftist ilk refer to when attempting to convince us that “Islam is the religion of Peace” and that it promotes tolerance.
They conveniently ignore countries where Islam is unaffected by Western ideals and principles, countries where Islam dominates every aspect of the lives of Muslims. This is the true picture of Islam – not the one which is Westernised.
His wilful ignorance is designed to make us believe that the moderate/westernized muslim colleague, shop keeper etc are the kind we are inviting from the Muslim world. If they happen to deviate from this moderate picture, surely they have just misunderstood Islam and will need a bit of coaching. Because, true Islam accepts criticism and ridicule, it accepts gender/sexual and religious equality and of course does not have any concept mandating hatred towards unbelievers. Sure……
Peter says
Except that Islam seeks the inevitable destruction of the very secularism that allows it to deepen its roots in French soil and flower the very jihadists that will bring that about.
gravenimage says
Hollande: “Nothing in the idea of secularism opposes the practice of Islam in France”
President Francois Hollande insisted Thursday that France’s strict laws separating church and state do not prevent the country’s large Muslim minority from practising their religion.
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If you think of the practice of Islam as simply encompassing Mosque-going, prayer, Wu’du washing, fasting during Ramadan, and going on the Hadj, this is absolutely correct.
Unfortunately, Islam is more than that. It demands the imposition of Shari’ah law and the submission of everyone, Muslim and Infidel.
It is these last that is utterly incompatible with secularism–or with any other non-Islamic system.
More:
The question is this: is there anything in the idea of Islam that opposes the practice of secularism in France? The answer to that one will surprise Hollande, but he will discover it eventually.
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Yes–*that* is the question Hollande should be asking, but he has neither the knowledge nor the wit to grasp this–much endangering France in the process.
Keys says
Cognitive dissonance anyone?
“Nothing in the idea of secularism opposes the practice of Islam in France, provided it respects the law,” but everything in Islam opposes the practice of secularism in France, respecting only Sharia law.
“France’s secular laws can accommodate Islam”, but Islam can not accommodate France’s secular laws.
Should be no problems here, Monsieur Blowwind.
Have another slug of wine before you head out to Calais and Normandy to lay wreaths on all the crescent moon graves near the beaches.
linnte says
So what would have happened in his country if he had said just the opposite? Or rather, the truth about Islam? Civil war. This man is not stupid. He is putting off the inevitable though by saying this. And he well knows it. He is trying to put off Civil war. He’s buying time.
Keys says
I hear you linnte.
He is singing the 70s: “All we are saying is give (the religion of) peace a chance”.
Time is not on his side. He needs to act aggressively now, or secular France will die. It’s their plan; France is under attack.
gravenimage says
Linnte wrote:
So what would have happened in his country if he had said just the opposite? Or rather, the truth about Islam? Civil war. This man is not stupid. He is putting off the inevitable though by saying this. And he well knows it. He is trying to put off Civil war. He’s buying time.
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With respect, Linnte, I don’t think so. Many in the West–including ordinary people, not just our “leaders”–desperately hope that Islam *is* compatible with civilized states.
I think the idea that the French public is poised for civil war and is only stopped because Hollande is still waffling is also a bit off base.
And any effort to fight Jihad would not be civil war, because Muslims are not French, and still make up just 8% of the population there. Given how much trouble Muslims cause and how violent they are, it is easy to forget that they still make up just a small part of the population in the West.
John Marst says
The coming civil war in France will blow away the fairy dust.
linnte says
Big time. But are the average French people able to fight? Do they know how? I hope they learn fast!
whocares says
hollande> “Nothing in the idea of secularism opposes the practice of Islam in France”
answer: YES IT VERY MUCH DOES, you fool
this picture with wine speaks a lot about him.
I sincerely believe he is simply DUMB, for a while I thought he and his buddies (merkel and this sort) have an agenda behind all this mayhem they caused but it’s pretty clear now that they are simply super low IQ animals whose vanity, arrogance and selfishness overwhelms their sense of humanity.
Angemon says
Hollande speaks like someone who has no idea what islam teaches and instead believes it to be the same as Christianity, Judaism or any other given religion. Naive fool – and a dangerous one at that.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
Jay Boo says
In a perfect world …
Ban and deport Muslims.
The Burkini would then become a moot point.
marina says
Someone should give Hollande a koran with the violent verses marked clearly.
John A. Marre says
Hollande must go.
CogitoErgoSum says
Holland doesn’t know that the wine he’s drinking has had an extra ingredient added into it. That ingredient is toxic and it works very slowly at first, little by little, sip by sip. It works its way throughout the digestive system along with the rest of the wine but is never eliminated with the body’s other waste material and it implants itself within the tissues of the brain, the heart and the nervous system. Some people think they are immune to its effects but over time the end result is always the same …….. a state of delirium, then torpor and eventually death. This fatal toxin’s detrimental effects upon the physical and mental condition of human beings have been been known for nearly 1,400 years now. To this date no one knows of a cure for it nor do any of the world’s leaders seem interested in finding one. They just keep drinking the poison and hoping the results for them will be different.
William says
I have no doubt Hollande, as well as other Western leaders, really doesn’t comprehend the belief system of the Mohammedans. Like George Bush, who also knew nearly nothing about Islam, Hollande has stealth Mohammedans whispering sweet nothings into his ear, about how lovely Islam is, how great it was for the history of the world, and how much the West is in debt to it. What else can you expect when your country has become suffused with Mohammedans. You are susceptible to infiltrating manipulators, masters of the art after long practice. The Mohammedans, through stealth and intrigue, have managed with little effort to get to the ear of your politicians. This is a consequence of letting Mohammedans into your non-Mohammedan country.
epistemology says
“Nothing in the idea of secularism opposes the practice of Islam in France, provided it respects the law.”
Muslims always consider themselves being above the law. Sharia is their moon idol’s law and every other law is man-made, consequently it’s unacceptable. I can’t understand as William points out why most Western politicians are taken in by muzzies and their apologists what a great culture this miserable shit is. Islam and civilisation are mutually exclusive.
More Ham Ed says
Free ham sandwiches every friday afternoon – it was not received well.
Ali Bey says
Frons vultus genua in humo, clunis ad sidera…Pedes in terra, ad astra visus praefero.
Ali Bey says
If religions were not mythical, politeism more rational than monoteism. The extent and complexity of the world and universe-multiverses cannot be properly managed by a poor chap alone. A large team is needed.Hinduism and paganism very rational indeed.
Allan says
Oh, come on. Don’t be so thick. Pay attention to the important qualification:
Now we should ask if Hollande has signaled an understanding that Islam contradicts the republican law of France. Well, has he?
Ali Bey says
With gymnastics and yoga he could place his tongue in the antipodes of his body.
Richard Paulsen says
” Idea of secularism. ” ? An idea? What about the ” idea of islam. ” ?
” Nothing in the idea of islam opposes the practice of Christianity in Iran, provided it repects the law. “