“The decision was taken because the man refused to swear on the constitution before taking up Italian citizenship, arguing that his ultra-conservative Salafist Islam beliefs were “fully incompatible” with Italy’s fundamental laws.”
This imam’s assertion needs to be investigated more generally, in Italy and all of Europe and North America. If Sharia is indeed “fully incompatible” with Western law, is it really wise to keep importing large numbers of people who believe in it?
“Italy expels Muslim cleric who refused to accept gender parity,” DPA, September 8, 2016:
A Moroccan man who served as a “stand-in imam” in a mosque in northern Italy was forcibly repatriated home because he refused to accept Italian constitutional rights such as gender parity, Interior Minister Angelino Alfano said Thursday….
The latest case concerns a 33-year-old who acted as secretary of the Muslim Community of Treviso, an industrial town in north-east Italy about 40 kilometres north of Venice. He was put on a plane to Casablanca late on Wednesday, the minister said.
The decision was taken because the man refused to swear on the constitution before taking up Italian citizenship, arguing that his ultra-conservative Salafist Islam beliefs were “fully incompatible” with Italy’s fundamental laws.
He denounced Italian laws as “‘a collection of sins upon sins’ such as, for example, parity between men and women,” Alfano said.
The minister has for weeks been publicizing an anti-radicalization campaign for Muslim preachers, which should lead to new rules requiring them to study Italian rules and customs and deliver their sermons in Italian.
“We are working to create a new model of imam, which we could call ‘Italian imam,'” Alfano told the Libero newspaper in July, expressing concern that current Muslim clerics in Italy are all foreign-trained “and therefore have different values from us and sometimes radical inclinations.”
This won’t work. But at least the Italians are coming closer to recognizing the problem.

john sielman says
so what would Reza lying Aslan say ?
RCCA says
We are constantly told there’s no point in vetting Muslim refugees because they will lie. This guy demonstrates how wrong that is. If their religion actually means a lot to them there comes a point where they can not lie. Why? Because you can not hold two contradictory ideas in your mind at the same time.
That doesn’t mean having a religious test in our vetting process, it means having a test on the refugees’ willingness to adhere to our Constitutional principles.
gravenimage says
Muslims are mostly happy to lie to advance their foul creed. But there are those who are so emboldened that they no longer believe it is necessary. Thank you Italy for proving this foul Imam wrong.
quota raven says
Ditto, Gravenimage. Now, if only the rest of the West could get their ducks in a row…
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
Agree, Quota.
Santa Voorhees says
Good to know that at least my Italy kicks them out. That is the same thing Britain should do with individuals such as Anjem Choudary.
linnte says
AGREE totally! Why Anjem has not been flown back to Pakistan where he belongs, and his family with him, is beyond me! He’d be a hero there, for a while anyway. Then let’s talk the British into doing the same with Sadiq Khan! ?
ECAW says
Linnte – Are you aware that Anjem Choudhary and Sadiq Khan are British citizens and can’t be deported anywhere? And do you really support collective punishment (of his family)? Collective punishment is one of those things which distinguish tyrannies from democracies.
There used to be a poster on here call Voegelinian who was always saying “Deport them all” without ever going into details. Perhaps, after the West accepts it is in a war and announces martial law, it might be possible to come to an agreement with some impoverished Muslim country, Sudan for instance, to accept our internal enemies or detain them on an uninhabited island in the Falklands for the duration. But I think it’s equally likely that such draconian powers could be used against us as against them.
linnte says
If Anjem Choudary has dual citizenship then YES! Deport him. This man has been calling for the overthrow of British Government for years now. What part of seditious traitor doesn’t Britain understand? And I betcha a million to one that Sadiq Khan has a dual citizenship also. (Khan has not been traitorous though, so my comment about him was just wishful thinking). If I had dual citizenship I would EXPECT to be deported for being a traitor.
British authorities are too fearful of the backlash from Muslims to take a strong stand against treason. But it is exactly what is needed. And the same goes for any type of dual citizenship person, Muslim or not. If they are criminal and in prison, why keep them? Immigrants should be an asset to the country, not a burden. Even the poorly educated can be an asset to a country, as long as they don’t become a burden and dependant on their new society for handouts to live on. Accepting immigrants who will only burden the system is simply importing voters for the next Election. Anjem Choudary is dangerous in the most vile way. He seeks to subvert the very system that is supporting him.
ECAW says
Don’t tell me. Tell Tony Blair who scrapped the treason law, probably thinking of his retirement.
And no, neither of them has dual nationality.
linnte says
Well, DANG! Can’t deport someone if they have only one citizenship. Too bad. Point taken.
gravenimage says
ECAW, I think the family of any Jihadist should be thoroughly investigated, and any guilty of anything further than merely being related to the Jihadist should go as well.
I’ve never been any fan of collective punishment, both on general principle and because I myself have a number of criminal relatives (I’m the “white sheep” of the family).
That being said. I am quite aware that Jihadists–and criminals–families are statistically apt to be involved, as well. And we should investigate Jihadist’s associates and Mosques, as well as their families.
linnte says
Agreed! Anjem Choudarys family certainly knew about his Islamic State support, and so did every Muslim who attended the same Mosque as he. Heck, the whole world knew about his Islamist militancy. Britain had a chance to silence him once for all, but did they? NO! Go figure.
ECAW says
Of course….and they are always shocked…SHOCKED.
ECAW says
Santa – Italy’s role in the invasion of Europe has been utterly shameful. The Italian Navy has been acting as a ferry service from Norh Africa for a long time now and they boast about the numbers of migrants they fish out of the sea and transport to the wrong side of the Med (somewhere around 1000 per day).
They then ignore the EU rules about processing asylum claims in the first safe country and just quietly wave them on to the honeypots further north. Lately France and Sitzerland have re-institued border controls and Italy is squawking that it’s all so unfair.
quota raven says
To ECAW – Thank you for both of your reasoned, informed and thoughtful comments above.
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
Yes–this is not only appalling, it is biting them and their neighbors in the *ss, as well.
Santa Voorhees says
Well at least we kick them out, and I think every country should do that, no matter what (not taking them in in the first place would be better).
Too bad most of our leaders are morons.
ECAW says
At most you kick them out, about one per every 10,000 you let in, dumping the problem on other countries while applauding your own goodness. I am not talking about you personally, of course, since you understand, but the Italian people in general and their government.
At least Italy has one eloquent voice for the truth…an Egyptian:
http://www.magdicristianoallam.it/
marina says
Well done Italy! Other countries should follow this example. “Italian imam” is never going to work.
Norger says
He was simply being honest about his beliefs. I fear that many Muslims in the west share his mindset but choose to deceive (taqiya) for now.
gravenimage says
Italy expels Muslim cleric who said Islam “fully incompatible” with Italian law
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*Good*. I’m afraid Italy is not going to be able to find any “Italian Imams”, though.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
A guy publicly tells the obvious truth and gets thrown out of the country. Wait a minute… this is the same thing that happened with Spencer and Geller and the UK but in reverse. Give the English credit, they nipped it in the bud where the two couldn’t get in the start spouting the truth. A job well done.
The Italians have millions more to go before the country is made whole on the concept of national interest.
abad says
It is refreshing to see Italy take the stand and kick out Muslims who are honest enough to admit their religion is incompatible with western laws and values.
Keys says
“We are working to create a new model of imam, which we could call ‘Italian imam”.
Hahahahaha. Not hahaha halal. Possible topic for Catholic-Muslim dialogue, though, and possible movie.
The English Patient.
The Italian Imam.
mortimer says
The claimed that Islam is “fully incompatible” with Italian civilization. He is correct.
The Italian government needs IMMEDIATELY to convene a GOVERNMENT COMMISSION OF INQUIRY to determine the validity of the Moroccan mullah’s claim.
QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONERS: IS ISLAM COMPATIBLE WITH WESTERN VALUES? OR IS ISLAM A COMPETING AND IRRECONCILABLE GOVERNMENTAL AND LEGAL SYSTEM?
linnte says
It is just that simple. Park them into a plane and zzzoooooom! Gone! There are millions of planes in this world. Couldn’t we have an “All aboard for ______ where ever day”? I wonder how many Muslims would volunteer to go. I bet more that we would think!
Angemon says
“Gender parity”? I’m against “gender parity” as well. For example, I’m against those groups that say that a set percentage of people working in a company need to be of a specific gender. I’m also against barring people from pursuing a career in any given area because of their gender. If men and women gravitate to different areas/professions and do so willingly, then so be it – what’s the alternative, penalize someone and denying them a promotion because of their gender and claim to do so in the name of “gender parity”? Ridiculous.
What I’m not against is equality of men and women before the law and in society, and I suspect this is what the imam meant by parity.
citycat says
Although i don’t believe time exists, this Muslim guy has stolen some time. It’s no matter to Islam’s forthing whether he is accepted or not.
Islam notes the reaction of the infidels and makes its move accordingly, and on to the next move in the world domination game.
The infidels don’t know that they are in Islam’s game.
Mr. Farton says
Good. Get the hell out and don’t come back you barbarian.
K. says
At least he was that honest. The usual islamic way is lies and deception. They tell you anything you want to hear while secretly plotting to take over your house. Just sometimes…
Ciudadano says
“The decision was taken because the man refused to swear” not because his opinion about Islam and italian laws were deemed true. Probably most muslims take the oath albeit they hold the same believes that this salafist.
Michael Copeland says
“I sweared but I did not mean it”,
Faisal Shahzad
Times Square bomber
gravenimage says
Exactly, Michael.
The Bull says
He should have studied Taqiyya 101 (to kill ya) at to get around this problem.. He is pretty thick or untrained for a Muslim.
hautedaug says
poor imam never got the memo.
ITS OK TO LIE TO THE KAFIR !
The Bull says
snap!!
Jay Boo says
Off Topic
Trump caused Orlando attack.
According to Obo
Approximately the 55 second mark
http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004471266/obamas-statement-on-isis-and-orlando.html
gravenimage says
Utter calumny.
Michael Laudahn says
Piecemeal again.
What we need is a general admission that these people have no business here whatsoever. The rest follows:
Stop the invasion, also if this means people get killed.
Repatriate the clear-cut case people to their home countries, no matter how long they’ve been here; the other ones via a UN camp to be set up in Greenland (Denmark), to give everybody time to sort out the formalities.
This way, and only this way, is the way out.
linnte says
I like Trumps idea of “Safe zones” in their own countries. The West, collectively, can support safe zones. And eventually these places could become thriving cities if done correctly.
When understanding that this “refugee crisis” is solely intended to “emigrate in the way of Allah” and spread Islam throughout Western society, sending migrants back to their country of origin and placing them in safe zones, defeats the migration purpose. Let them live under Shari’a where Shari’a belongs. Once the dust settles, get the heck out and leave them to their own devices.
Hindu American says
So, finally an honest imam. But what about those imams and other muslims who have accepted Italian and other European nations’ citizenships? By logical extension, they lied in their oaths.
quota raven says
To Hindu American, who sez “So, finally an honest imam.”
Honest, imam equals mutually exclusive in my book…and theirs.
Cheers!
quota raven.
Ali Bey says
Oath not sufficient if there is not investigation and full control.Europe should take example of Japan which is holding Islam at bay.No citizenship to Muslims, no
residence, no proselitism, no arabic in universities,no importation of Koran in arabic,no renting of houses to Muslims,. According to a poll of Tokio University exists a perception in Japanese people that Islam is something for very narrow minds…No visits of dignataries between Japan and Muslim countries…And so far Japan has not problem of petrol supply.
Mubarak says
“Italy expels Muslim cleric who refused to accept gender parity”
In western countries there is an agenda to subvert gender roles. Femininity is stamped on boys from an early age due to absent or renegade fathers and the spirit of Jezabel. It is “gender parity” gone mad and bad.
Muslims could help us focus on this problem?
dumbledoresarmy says
Rubbish.
Wife-beating, polygyny, forced and child ‘marriage’, concubines (many of them terrified and terrorised under-age sex slaves), talaq divorce, stoning to death (often on the basis of malevolent rumour/ imaginings), raping of infidel men’s wives and fiancees (which raping is not classified as ‘adultery’ because, well, infidel marriage vows count for NOTHING)…FGM… ‘honour’ murders… women’s testimony at law given only half as much weight as a man’s except in cases of sexual misconduct where a woman’s testimony (whether as victim of rape, say, or as witness) is ruled out of court altogether… inheritance laws that decree a daughter must never inherit the same as her brother..
You seriously believe that Islam has anything at all to offer by way of morality? It has NOTHING.
According to Wafa Sultan, ex-Muslim, in her book ‘A God Who Hates’, “Allah *hates* women”.
Whatever problems we have in the WEst, we can sort them out ourselves from within our own traditions; Islam has no wisdom to offer, it has only hate, and a subspecies of that hatred is a vicious and sadistic misogyny that treats all women, qua women, as a sort of necessary (but despised and disposable) enemy.
linnte says
Absolutely agree General! The West is becoming more enlightened as time passes, even if it IS A crooked path we are following. Islam is a leap backwards in time, and per Qur’an will ALWAYS be the cause of stymied growth, spiritually, morally and emotionally. It cannot change. Even the complete control of a person’s life through Shari’a Law prevents inner conflict that prevents growth. How sad for Muslims!
gravenimage says
Spot on, Dumbledore’s Army.
linnte says
You generalise, and are therefore wrong. I raised two boys as a single mom. Both my sons are very masculine and are the “head” of their family unit. But they were not afraid to help in the care of their children either, from diaper changes to teaching their children to shoot accurately. Their lives are well balanced and wholesome.
gravenimage says
The repulsive Mubarak wrote:
“Italy expels Muslim cleric who refused to accept gender parity”
In western countries there is an agenda to subvert gender roles. Femininity is stamped on boys from an early age due to absent or renegade fathers and the spirit of Jezabel. It is “gender parity” gone mad and bad.
Muslims could help us focus on this problem?
…………………………..
Remember that the vile Mubarak first showed up here at Jihad Watch after the Muslim mass rapes on New Year’s Eve in Cologne and other European cities. Since then he has told us that women deserve to raped because they are allowed to attend public holiday celebrations, and that little boys deserve to be raped because of the existence of mixed gender wrestling matches.
This is what he wrote after one of his coreligionists savagery raped a six-year-old boy in a changing room:
Mubarak says
May 12, 2016 at 5:33 am
If the West was more careful with its own moral hygiene and e.g. stopped the war on boys and masculinity (Christina Hoff Sommers), it wouldn’t be so susceptible to these opportunistic Islamic infections.
The wrestling event in Munich was probably an American and feminist inspired, inter-gender wrestling event, where no distinction is made between boys and girls, so how could the refugee from Afghanistan tell the difference?
Not that an “interference” with a girl would be that much better, but it would assert
some higher degree of normality although misdirected and criminal. –
Why did the father leave his son alone in the cabin, by the way —? A symbolic picture of the incident and of father-son relations these days.”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/germany-muslim-migrant-sexually-assaults-6-year-old-boy-in-changing-room#comment-1433792
*This* is how he wants his fellow Muslims to “help us focus on this [supposed] problem”. *Ugh*.
Mubarak says
A culture that, as a protest against Muslim rapist, produces young, moronic males in miniskirts – https://youtu.be/lQIdhdQKDCE – doesn’t that culture deserve to be raped?
ECAW says
This is the most dispiriting thing I’ve come across since the head of the West Midlands Police said they might allow policewomen to wear burqas (but not policemen…the sexist bastard!) but no-one deserves to be raped, not even you.
Mubarak says
Well, ECAW, I am sure policemen in the West are not forbidden to wear lipstick and eyeliner, not even when on duty. And wouldn’t that, by the way, not also be an adequate and effective protest against violent Muslims and a way of tempering their male supremacy culture?
gravenimage says
The vile Mubarak wrote:
A culture that, as a protest against Muslim rapist, produces young, moronic males in miniskirts – https://youtu.be/lQIdhdQKDCE – doesn’t that culture deserve to be raped?
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No, you sick sack of sh*t–we *do not*.
Mubarak, unsurprisingly, is unable to grasp that *we do not deserve to be raped*. *No one* deserves to be raped. He does not have the right to rape us, and neither do his fellow Muslims.
Civilized people reject the idea that rape is ever justified. Not so the vicious Mubarak.
So far, Mubarak has held that we deserve to be raped because of sporting events, because of lingerie ads, because fathers sometimes allow their sons to change their clothes on their own, and–finally–because we dare *protest Muslim rape*.
Mubarak has done this before–saying that European women deserved to be raped on New Year’s Eve because a woman the next day protested the assaults in the nude. In this case, his rapist coreligionists must have been psychic, raping their victims because someone would protest them in the nude the following day. sarc/off
And now he claims that we deserve to be raped because some boys wore skirts to a protest.
I do not consider protests in either the nude or by men in skirts to be particularly effective–to put it mildly–but this is beside the point. Mubarak has made is clear that what he most objects to is Infidels protesting our being raped at all.
And why not? Under Shari’ah, Infidels are not allowed to so much as complain of being victimized by Muslims.
And then he goes on to sneer at Infidel police officers. Again, why not? Muslims have no respect for those who would protect Infidels, and consider them fair game for all sorts of savagery:
“Muslim screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ attacks police officers with machete”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/serbia-muslim-screaming-allahu-akbar-attacks-police-officers-with-machete
The whole idea that Muslims are raping us–and that we deserve it–because we are supposedly ‘decadent’ is utter bullsh*t. Muslims rape victims everywhere they can–kidnapped Nigerian schoolgirls, elderly nuns in India, Yezidi and Christian sex slaves in the Islamic State. In fact, the “Prophet” himself raped his captives and sex slaves.
Ultimately, this is just more apologia for evil from the appalling Mubarak.
Champ says
What a nincompoop! ..and this clown isn’t even worth the time it took me to write this comment.
Mubarak says
If readers her on JW can’t see by themselves – let be – the unintended spite and mockery of females in the West by these sissified young Dutch morons, no amount of explication will do. It begs the question if not only rape and cultural rape will wake up such a culture.
Here are some thoughts of a (female) Danish theologian on the phenomenon: https://youtu.be/son5Z1gMIb0
gravenimage says
Once again, Mubarak is saying that we need to be raped by Muslims ‘for our own good’.
Those who are protesting Muslim rape are–as Mubarak would have it–mocking rape victims, but the rapists themselves are just ‘waking us up’.
The idea that Iben Thranholm is applauding Muslim rapists could not be more grotesque. In fact, she roundly condemns the rapefugees.
AvantiBev says
Grazie Italia. Ti amo!!! One million more to go.
Lioness says
Good move. But that’s only ONE imam in a cesspool of muslim migrants that continue to flood and poison Europe.
Mark A says
Deportation was the correct approach.
I’m glad to see the Italians actually went through with the deportation. Many other European countries would not have followed through with that.
John A. Marre says
I’m glad the Italians still have cojones. Islam is completely incompatible with every form of government, including Islam. It is an abomination.
Michael Johnson says
If Italy thinks they are gonna reshape Islam then they are sadly mistaken it ain’t gonna happen no way forget it