“We play straight into the hands of those who seek to divide us, of extremists and terrorists around the world, when we imply that it is not possible to hold Western values and to be a Muslim.”
Has anyone actually done that? Trump’s immigration moratorium is meant to prevent jihadis from entering the country among peaceful Muslims. That’s all. It doesn’t carry any implication that it is not possible to hold Western values and to be a Muslim: Khan is constructing a straw man.
And in any case, it is certainly possible to hold Western values and to be a Muslim. What is not possible is to hold certain Western values, such as the freedom of speech, the equality of rights of women, the freedom of conscience, etc., and to hold simultaneously to Islamic law as it has been traditionally formulated. But Muslims who do not accept, or who ignore, the elements of Sharia that conflict with Western secular society can certainly hold Western values.
“It only makes it harder to build integrated and cohesive communities and it makes it easier for terrorists to radicalise our young people, making us less safe, whether in the USA, France or Britain, because it’s dividing rather than uniting and because it builds walls to keep us apart rather than bridges to bring us together.”
So apparently Sadiq Khan would have us believe that Muslims who hold Western values grow so enraged when they hear Trump supposedly implying that Muslims can’t hold Western values that they cast off those Western values and join jihad groups. So we must insist that Muslims can hold Western values, because if we don’t, they won’t hold those values. Their acceptance of Western values, in Sadiq Khan’s view, is predicated on our behavior, and contains a threat: we must affirm that Muslims can hold Western values, or else.
Khan’s analysis is as absurd as it is ominous.
“Sadiq Khan blasts Donald Trump for ‘playing into hands’ of Isil during US trip,” Telegraph, September 16, 2016:
Sadiq Khan has said Donald Trump is “playing into the hands of Daesh” after appearing to back Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign during his five-day tour of North America.
During his 45-minute speech before the Chicago Council on Global Affairs on Thursday, Mr Khan attacked anti-Muslim views and policies and argued that what is needed is to build “bridges rather than walls” – a reference to Mr Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the US-Mexico border.
“We play straight into the hands of those who seek to divide us, of extremists and terrorists around the world, when we imply that it is not possible to hold Western values and to be a Muslim,” Mr Khan said.
Mr Khan did not mention Donald Trump by name but attacked the positions the New York developer has staked on Muslim immigration into the United States.
” It only makes it harder to build integrated and cohesive communities and it makes it easier for terrorists to radicalise our young people, making us less safe, whether in the USA, France or Britain, because it’s dividing rather than uniting and because it builds walls to keep us apart rather than bridges to bring us together,” said the Mayor.
Immediately after taking office in May, Mr Khan was involved in a spat with Mr Trump over his call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the US, deriding the plan as “ignorant.”
Mr Khan also criticised the burkini ban that is being enforced in some French beaches saying that it’s a “ridiculous situation of politicians and courts telling women what they can and can’t wear on the beach.”
Mr Khan said that it’s not for him to “get involved in a presidential election in another country,” however, he described himself as “a big fan” of Mrs Clinton and said that he hoped she would win the presidential election in November.
“She’s arguably the most experienced candidate to run to be the president,” Mr Khan told reporters following the speech to more than 250 academics, diplomats and business people.
“As the father of two daughters, I think the message it sends when the most powerful politician in the world is a woman is phenomenal, and hope she wins,” said Mr Khan, who as London’s first Muslim mayor is arguably one the most influential member of his faith in western Europe.
Earlier on Thursday, the London mayor addressed a global progress summit in Montreal with Justin Trudeau, the Canadian prime minister.
In Montreal, he criticised Mr Trump in even stronger terms:
“Donald Trump said that Muslims from around the world – I’m paraphrasing – would not be welcome into the United States of America.
“Not only does that show a lack of understanding and awareness of the great country that is the USA and its history and legacy, it’s also inadvertently playing into the hands of Daesh and so-called Isis because it implies it’s not possible to be a Western liberal and mainstream Muslim.
“I think it’s important that the USA maintains her role as a beacon for tolerance, respect and diversity.
“I think it’s important for those of us who are foreigners to stay out of the US elections. I hope the best candidate wins and I hope she does win with a stomping majority.”
Mr Khan said he would be open to meeting Mr Trump during his trip, along with any other presidential candidate.
During the summit Mr Khan stressed the importance of integrating ethnic minority communities, telling the audience that “the days of laissez-faire” integration were gone.
“The messages of hate being transmitted into people’s bedrooms means that people like Justin, the prime minister of Canada, and people like me, the mayor, have a responsibility,” he said.
Mr Khan also said he believed the UK should follow Canada’s lead and do more to help Syrian refugees….

Charli Main says
Muslims that hold western values are not and can never be Muslims.
Plastic Muslims will be murdered by their real Muslim ” brothers” just as ruthlessly as all the infidels.
Khan is a real hard core stealth Jihadist just paying lip service to ” western values” while insidiously instituting Sharia values in Londinistan.
Nomis says
“Khan is a real hard core stealth Jihadist just paying lip service to ” western values” while insidiously instituting Sharia values in Londinistan.”
I couldn’t have put it better myself.
Georg says
Khan will Islamize Britain as much as he can. No more, no less.
Judi says
Yes, he’s the UK version of Obummer. A very dangerous man. Whilst in Canada he met with Trudeau, went on to meet with Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel and then New York mayor red Bill de Blasio, all stalwart muslim supporters.
Champ says
Charli Main wrote:
“Muslims that hold western values are not and can never be Muslims.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Precisely!!!!!
linnte says
Even the Qur’an agrees.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
NOT following and obeying Jesus the Lord brings upon the world all sorts of EVILS. Evils from any religious group without ANY exception are ONLY part of that.
Why is the Christian Church DIVIDED into so many Churches and NOT united? Why is the Churches inflicted with so many EVILS? The HAND that wields the AXE is not paid attention to. God’s Word is NOT obeyed by the Christians and their LEADERS, so the Churches are being PUNISHED……..EXTERMINATED.
Did not Jesus the Lord say, “When the Son of Man comes back will there be faith left on earth?”
God ALWAYS punished SIN in the OLD Israel; GO THROUGH the Prophets and other books of the Old Testament you will find hoe TRUE IT IS. The same continues in the NEW Israel, in these times.
If EUROPE is gone PAGAN, the DIVIDED Christian Churches and their LEADERS who are NOT true Apostles ARE RESPONSIBLE for it.
To BELONG to Jesus the Lord is to be a TRUE Apostle of the Lord in the world of present times. In the PRIMITIVE CHURCH every Christian was AN APOSTLE of the Lord. Later FALSE APOSTLES from within institutionalized the Church of the Lord and made it as evil or more evil than the world.
ALL Christian Churches and their followers and leaders NEED to learn this art of OBEDIENCE to Jesus the Lord and thus become his TRUE APOSTLES as the FATHERS in the THE DIVINE and THE SEHION Retreat Centres in Kerala, ARE. Learn from them how to SERVE the Lord in TRUTH and in SPIRIT.(Please GOOGLE and FIND OUT details). OR else the overwhelming EVILS will come upon the CHURCHES and their LEADERS so as to bring about what the Lord has told us already, “WILL THERE BE FAITH LEFT ON EARTH WHEN THE SON OF MAN COMES…….?”
Gea says
Nobody who consider a paedophile, polygamist, rapist, misogynist, slaver, looter and mass murderer Mohamed “the most perfect human being who ever lived” can hold “Western values”. Islam STINKS and should be treated as Nazism, and mosques where hateful verses of Koran, Hadith and Sira are memorised should be treated as Nazi cells.
Many EX-Muslims had warned Westerners that Islam ITSELF is a totalitarian, supremacist, apartheid and imperialistic ideology which is much worse than Nazism because of its sexual depredation. Muslim project their own evil deeds and aspirations onto Westerners and particularly Jews and Americans.Muslims delusional Jew hatred is now highest than after WWI< which brought Hitler to power and Nazism, resulting in WWII and Holocaust.
Hitler hated all religions except Islam and particularly admired Mohamed's techniques of deception to gain strategic advantages in conquest. Islam is not compatible with Western values and all Muslims should be sent for a permanent Hajj to Saudi Arabia or Iran.
Angemon says
That’s not really up to us to say. It’s up to muslims to say – and demonstrate – they can hold Western values. So far, there’s no mainstream islamic sect that teaches so. Whose fault is it? How will I say “muslims can hold Western values” change a thing if muslims refuse to hold Western values?
Kay says
As preposterous as this statement of Khan’s is, progressives lap it up. I’ve heard that same argument from several people, an argument that seems to me like making the abused responsible for the choices of the batterer.
I think it serves to keep people silent, afraid to voice their concerns and serves H’s hopes and the Islamic agenda for conquest at the same time.
Demsci says
Quite right, Angemon,
It is even considered “not done” to ask about this to Muslims, by the political corrects.
Who in many cases, If not most, deny and refuse. First, many even treat discussions about Islam and Democracy as taboo, when many counterjihadists crave for an honest, equal-talking time, discussion,
second, many refuse even to examine Islam on their own, and thereby refuse to discuss it properly. In part because they never could refute counterjihadist arguments about Islam’s sayings and doctrines.
And we can point to Irshad Manji, Zuhdi Jasser, Tarek Fatah, Majid Nawaz, those Muslims who openly declare they want Muslims to CHOOSE for secular democratic society and point out how few adherents they have and how they are viewed by “the bulk of the Muslims”.
August West says
I think what Kahn is attempting to do here long term is normalize Sharia within the set of Western Values.
Kahn is predictable taking on the role as a global Muslim spokesman. How long before he is the global Caliph.
Islam = Peace
Islam = Western
Say it enough times and loudly enough and it will gain traction.
Stephanie says
allah vs. Art 2, 2; 3, 2 GG (constitution) & §241 StGB (criminal code)
https://twitter.com/schnellmann_org/status/776796718914469888
Dave says
It’s the formula for creating a spoiled child, treat the kid the way he wants or he will do xyz. How is Khans argument any different?
The kid will continue to act up raising the stakes; the same is happening in Europe with Islamic immigrants. It’s sort of the rath of Khan….
Where is Capt Kirk when you need him?
Stephanie says
Taqiyyah ‘war is deceit’ 3:28 visage sadiq khan.
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/052-sbt.php#004.052.267
http://quran.com/3/28
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The proposition is that we either ignore the factual reality thing or Jihad mass murder operations will ensure… and that’d be our fault. Depending on your perspective, it’s either a win-win or a lose-lose.
Demsci says
Profound conclusion in a nutshell, APF. I see it as a “deep thought” you expressed there.
“The other side” has a win-win-narrative and we are forced on the defensive with a “lose-lose”-perspective.
Let us endeavour to turn that around! Maybe it helps when people like Trump and Wilders get elected and big following. That would put pressure on “the other side”, “they”
and when “They” start to feel the need to respond, negatively, to the success of Trump and Wilders,
Well, then, when they defend Muhammad and his followers, let us defend Trump and Wilders and their followers in exactly the same way!
every single them when it is they who want to warn, take action, we can “make them lame, powerless” in the same way they do this to us now.
Paul Fox says
To sum up. We must say how nice and modern Muslims can be, or they will kill us.
Emilie Green says
If Islam is the Religion of Peace, why is the Middle East so war-torn?
Why is it that those who follow Islam, those who are willing to submit and be called “Muslims,” are so angry all the time, not content to live and let live those who choose not to follow Islam?
/s
Dom107 says
Yes we all know that by now but I read in a history of the Middle East that over 60% of Muslims marry their cousins or closer relatives through arranged marriages and have done so since Mohammed.This might explain what would appear to be mental health problems and extremism in all Muslim countries. Another downside to the “religion of peace”!!!!
Mischief Maker in the Land says
What a pernicious falsehood.
Jihad is “a communal obligation”.
“Jihad means to war against non-Muslims”
Manual of Islamic Law o9.0, o9.1.
Jihad is nothing to do with Western values.
Crusades Were Right! says
Khan’s remarks seem to me to be a version of the “Stop slandering Islam (by telling the truth about it), or (even more) Muslims will attack Westerners” ploy.
Georg says
One can be a Muslim and hold Western values if one considers the Koran to be the word of God and a perfect book so long as one is committed to living in contradiction to said perfection.
A small hangup is this makes no sense whatsoever. Carry on.
Westman says
True, it’s nonsensical.
The man has a Fatwa on his head and a personal security detail to protect he and his family because he supported gay rights and called moderate Muslims, “UncleToms”
Mr. Khan is a poster child for the incompatibility of Islam-Sharia and Democracy. The brassy threats against him by Muslims speaks so loudly that his voicing of the compatibility of Islam and the West has all the true tone of a kazoo.
Georg says
As Robert has done umpteen times, it is elementary to demonstrate the two ideologies are in contradiction with one another. And it’s not even close.
Kay says
A fatwa? Really?
(& why do I even know that ugly word!)
Westman says
Mufti Muhammed Aslam Naqshbandi Bandhalevi, who is the head imam of the Jamia Islamia Rizvia mosque in Bradford, has issued a fatwa, or ruling, declaring Mr Khan an ‘apostate’ from Islam and said he should ‘repent before Allah
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279703/Death-threats-UKs-Muslim-MP-voted-gay-marriage.html#ixzz4KaP071g5
Crusades Were Right! says
Some Mohammedans want us to believe that Islam means “peace”, when what it really means is “surrender”.
As a certain British leader once said: “We shall never surrender!”
Hugh Fitzgerald says
A British version of Gilles Kepel, warning that the Bad Muslims “seek to divide us” by committing atrocities, naturally eliciting fury among non-Muslims, which well-justified fury will cause the Good Muslims to make common cause not with us but with the Bad Muslims.So whatever else you do, don’t play the game of those to seek to “divide us” by keeping calm and carrying on, and not reacting to all those murderous attacks because “that’s exactly what the Bad Muslims, the ones perverting or twisting a Great Religion, want.”
No one has to “seek to divide us.” The Qur’an divides us. The Hadith divide us. The figure of Muhammad divides us. Start with the Qur’an 2,191-193, 4:34, 4:89, 5:33, 5:38, 8.12, 8:37, 9;5, 9:29, 9:111, 9:`113, 47:4. That’s just a small part of what “divides us.”
Westman says
Great Religion? Oh, yes, 1.6 billion souls captive to the thinking of an ancient warlord. If the Quranic passages, with the message: reject, enslave, kill, and never be a real friend of the other 5.4 billion “Unbelievers”, support Khan’s moderate Islam, then they comprise the greatest doublespeak ever written.
1.6 billion IS a great number, and exactly where the greatness ends.
Demsci says
Hugh, your articles illuminate our “Islam and Democracy” situation so well, I learn so much from you.
Here you pinpointed the effect of the narrative “you are damned if you do, and damned if you don’t” that Gilles Kepel et al have on us succinctly and well.
It’s just that in my experience even pointing out that it is Islam that is divisive on itself,
well, get’s ignored and NOT registered in people’s minds in the first place. And in second place get’s denied and countered with moral relativism as soon it is uttered. Outside the choir that we preach to.
You are so eloquent, maybe people like you could formulate, describe fully, what is our own counter-ideology, in contrast and as a better alternative to Islam. And we could declare some of our own proponents of OUR OWN ideology, like Trump, Wilders, Spencer, Geller, yourself, you name them.
Then, like the Gilles Kepel’s, and their copycats, we can have our own versions of them who do the same in reverse what they do, but now in favor of our ideology and heroes, and their followers.
This means that we, to our hearts content, can COMPARE and respond to any and all criticisms, denigrations of our ideology, heroes and their followers,
By using Tu Quoque and comparisons and asking, why criticize Trump, Wilders, Spencer, Geller, far right, Islamophobes and their teachings and NOT Muhammad and his teachings??? Why the double standards???
The Gilles Kepels and copycats try to “paralyze” us, with their warning of division, you pointed in the right way by pointing to the huge division sown by Muhammad, and by all his followers by clinging to his teachings. But you took the initiative, more or less,
Now let us lay in wait, in ambush, for every time “our opponents” take the initiative and try to smear OUR HEROES, “paralyze them in return”.
JayT says
Britain had Winston Churchill to provide the backbone needed in the 11th hour with the Nazi boot pressing their faces into the mud. Who do they have now? No one.
overman says
The new £5 note went into circulation today with Churchill on the back. Strange how his image is appearing now, in Britains’s time of need. Hopefully, there’s a Churchillian figure ready to step out of the shadows. Today, UKIP was also begging Nigel Farage to remain as their Leader.
Guy Macher says
Civilized or Muslim. Not both.
Wellington says
A Muslim who sincerely holds to Western values such as freedom of speech and the right of a Muslim to convert to another religion without harm done to this former Muslim is a Muslim who has constructed a fantasy version of Islam that doesn’t exist——-and so how reliable is such a person and what is the damn point of remaining Muslim at all? It’s rather like being a believer in Nazism but without the anti-Semitism or opposition to a free press and free elections.
In short, it’s putting a square peg in a round hole. Doesn’t work.
le mouron rouge says
I’m having a difficult time trying to say something that hasn’t already been addressed, so I will only add this:
“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders
and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved
Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
In order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
– 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (ESV)
CogitoErgoSum says
So Kahn has two daughters. Will those daughters be allowed to date Christian or other non-Muslim boys when they get older? Will they be allowed to marry a non-Muslim should they fall in love with one of those non-Muslim boys. That would be in keeping with Western values. Are Muslims living in the West really willing to accept such values, including you, Mr. Kahn?
Havoc says
Let Muslims be Muslims … somewhere else. They have no business here.
overman says
Well said.
overman says
“It only makes it harder to build integrated and cohesive communities and it makes it easier for terrorists to radicalise our young people, making us less safe, whether in the USA, France or Britain, because it’s dividing rather than uniting and because it builds walls to keep us apart rather than bridges to bring us together.”
We can see what he’s slyly pointing the finger at in that remark. Obviously, the Wall the UK gov. is building in Calaise to stop the 10,000 muslim barbarians from invading Britain.
Also, it was obvious he supported Clinton when he appointed Rajesh Agrawal as his deputy mayor for business:
“Rajesh Agrawal, a fintech entrepreneur and innovator, is the founder and CEO of Xendpay, an international money transfer service, and RationalFX, an online foreign exchange service – both of which have grown into globally successful businesses.
And, Member of the Clinton Global Initiative –
Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) and CGI U
The Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) was founded in 2005 by President Clinton. Doug Band, counselor to President Clinton, was also heavily involved in the formation.[15] Clinton has credited Band with being the originator of CGI and has noted that “Doug had the idea to do this.”[31] Band left his paid position at CGI in 2010,[2] preferring to emphasize his Teneo business and family pursuits, but remains on the CGI advisory board.[13] The overlap between CGI and Teneo, which Bill Clinton was a paid advisor, drew criticism.[2] One of its major donors is Norway’s government—20 million Norwegian kroner per year as of 2013”
Champ says
“Many people know friendly and charming Muslims. The same people then believe that Islam could not condone jihad, since the Muslims they know are so nice.
Wake up to the fact that Muslims do not create Islam. Muslims only choose what parts of Islam they want to practice. Even if every Muslim in the world voted to not practice some part of Islam, Islam would not change. Islamic doctrine is perfect, eternal and complete and is changeless.
The other problem is that Kafirs do not know what jihad is and think that jihad is only about violence. No, jihad is the struggle to establish Sharia law. It is also a civilizational struggle that includes money, speech and the written word. The Koran, Sira and Hadith all lay out the complete form of jihad.
You must study Islam, not Muslims.”
Champ says
The above was written by Bill Warner.
Especially true …
“You must study Islam, not Muslims.”
le mouron rouge says
Chamo,
All good points, thank you.
Mr. Warner stands with the best of the Warriors who speak the Truth about the Religion of Islam.
I especially appreciate the short video he has on Jihad vs The Crusade which can be found on his web site – https://www.politicalislam.com/ –
le mouron rouge says
oppps, another typo, should read “Champ”
Champ says
Indeed, le mouron rouge! Bill Warner is brilliant, and his video library is very educational and extensive.
Take care! 🙂
Karen says
And you must study Islam as it is practiced in counties where it holds a large majority. See what Islam does where it has power and dominance.
jayell says
What a wonderful piece of self-propaganda from our illustrious Mayor of London! But perhaps we ought to get back to reality…..
Khan got into office on the back of the duplicitous Labour Party and an oversized muslim vote in the Greater London area (and one has to ask – going on experience – how many of those votes were fraudulant?). Sadly I don’t have the voting figures to hand, but I would suspect that the vast majority of Londoners did NOT vote for Khan and a significant proportion of them (if not a majority) would have been adamant that they did NOT want Khan in City Hall, probably based on knowledge of his track record and the experience of the Tower Hamlets debacle. Subsequent events of his tenure, including a recent highly dubious appointment, have done nothing to increase his popularity or respect.
So what does Khan say?
“Sadiq Khan has said Donald Trump is “playing into the hands of Daesh” after appearing to back Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign during his five-day tour of North America.”…….Well, Mr Spencer has already rubbished that ridiulous assertion, so no more said.
To continue quoting Khan….. “We play straight into the hands of those who seek to divide us, of extremists and terrorists around the world, when we imply that it is not possible to hold Western values and to be a Muslim,” Mr Khan said…..” Who are the ‘us’ who are being divided? Because if Khan is rather fancifully imagining that the majority Great British Public have ever identified with, or wished to identify with, HIS kinsmen, bearing in mind how they are seen to behave and present themselves in public, the sorts of thing we hear them say and what we know of their expressed beliefs and principles (sic), someone ought to disappoint him by informing him that we are already, and since their arrival have always been, divided. Isn’t he aware of the infamous phenomenon of ‘white flight’ that has been going on in the capital for decades, an indication of just how well we DON’T get on? How else does he think that there has there been available space in London for the infamous ghettos to establish themselves? By conjuring it up out of thin air? No, these ghettos appeared because the areas had been conveniently vacated by their original owners, often with the active ‘encouragement’ of Khan’s co-religionists.
” It (I think he means something to do with Mr. Trump) only makes it harder to build integrated and cohesive communities and it makes it easier for terrorists to radicalise our young people, making us less safe, whether in the USA, France or Britain, because it’s dividing rather than uniting and because it builds walls to keep us apart rather than bridges to bring us together,” said the Mayor….”
Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish. ‘Cohesive, integrated communities’ were the norm in the UK BEFORE the advent of our muslim ’friends’ and have ceased to exist in the UK BECAUSE OF our muslim ‘friends’; and had social cohesion and integration with the presence of a muslim community ever been seriously on the cards, it would have been self-evident in the UK decades ago and wouldn’t be an issue now. The divisions occurred because of the failure of the muslim communities to adapt to and properly respect their hosts and the cultural norms and expectations of their hosts. It’s frankly a bit late now to start talking about ‘building bridges’, especially in the light of experience of the last two decades, in particular the terrorists atrocities (e.g., 7/7, the murder of Lee Rigby) the attempted murder of the MP for Newham, all the planned attacks that were thankfully thwarted, and the disgusting national scandal of the muslim paedophime grooming gangs and the way in which ‘they’ tried to hush it up and deflect national attention. Khan accuses Mr. Trump of wanting to ‘build walls’; well, there are thousands of respectable and self-respecting citizens in Rotherham (and other places) who have every reason to want to build walls to protect themselves and their daughters from the benefits of Khan’s ‘cohesion’ and ‘integration’ because they know full well from experience and the crime statistics exactly what sort of ‘integration’ that means.
Here comes Khan again….”Immediately after taking office in May, Mr Khan was involved in a spat with Mr Trump over his call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the US, deriding the plan as “ignorant.”
Isn’t it strange how people like Khan always fall back on this sort of inconsequential mindless ‘insult’ when they would have no plausible response to the kind of reasonable contention based on hard facts that we see from Mr.Trump here? Hardly any better than poking your tongue out when you’ve got nothing sensible to say.
Now the pièce de resistance…… “Mr Khan also criticised the burkini ban that is being enforced in some French beaches saying that it’s a “ridiculous situation of politicians and courts telling women what they can and can’t wear on the beach.”…..So, who exactly banned certain kinds of female beachwear from the London Underground? On the transparently spurious pretext of ‘protecting young women’s sensitivities to their body image’ (or some other ridiculously contrived excuse to conceal his Islamic inetntions), even though there have never been any reported problem in this respect? Does Khan really believe that we’re all credulous idiots?
…..“Mr Khan said that it’s not for him to “get involved in a presidential election in another country,” however, he described himself as “a big fan” of Mrs Clinton and said that he hoped she would win the presidential election in November.” Right, Mr. Khan, so keep your nose out. And Khan ought bear in mind the impact of your President Obama’s intervention on our ‘Brexit’ vote – best measured in negative values, I believe……”She’s (Hillary) arguably the most experienced candidate to run to be the president,” Mr Khan told reporters following the speech to more than 250 academics, diplomats and business people.”….I believe that certain facts about Mrs. Clinton’s and Mr. Khan’s respective previous track records which are now in the public domain, and that might explain the apparent attraction.
“As the father of two daughters, I think the message it sends when the most powerful politician in the world is a woman is phenomenal, and hope she wins,” said Mr Khan, who as London’s first Muslim mayor is arguably one the most influential member of his faith in western Europe….” Er, what exactly would one’s two daughters have to do with Hillary Clinton? Is he expecting them to be Prime Ministers in a future UK? If so, I’m emigrating. And regarding being ‘influential’, the emphasis here is probably on ‘arguably’, since there are one hell of a lot of people in London and elsewhere in the UK who are doing their very best to pretend that Mr Khan either doesn’t really exist or/and is some kind of figment of their collective nightmares.
Finally, readers in the UK might have noticed that it is becoming increasingly fashionable for those in Islamic circles to be talking about ‘integration’, ‘cohesion’, ‘Britishness’ and even ‘Englishness’ as if they’ve always been part of the scene (strange, since they’re not remotely qualified to talk about either of the last two). Apart from Kahn’s fanciful meanderings above, we have the redoubtable ‘Baroness’ Warsi babbling on about how mosques should ditch their minarets so that they ‘blend in with the landscape’ (!!!!) or look like churches (!!!!) and how they should incorporate church-type music into their services (yes, she actually said THAT!), even (someone suggested) adapting actual Anglican-type material and enlisting church choirs to help them – or something!!!!! Absolutely incredible, but I can hardly see many Islamic communities actually taking any notice of Warsi’s ‘good intentions’. It’s so ridiculous that I perhaps detect an element of hysteria driving the apparent idiocy, and why, I wonder? Strange how this is all coming about after the magic ‘Brexit’ vote and public revelations of all the recent islam-related scandals, and when those with their ears to the ground claim to be detecting ominous rumblings, not to mention media reports about increases in ‘antisocial behaviour’ towards our Friends of the Prophet (amongst others). All very reprehensible, of course, but perhaps a sign for those still entertaining multiculturalist or supremacist fantasies that probably the game’s now effectively up and time to pull the horns in, since a 4, 5 or 6 percent minority can’t carry on overstepping the mark indefinitely and get away with it. What a shame that the damage has already been done, however.
billybob says
That was a long read, and challenging because of the lack of paragraph breaks, but it turned out to be worth the effort. I found your comments both interesting and informative. I do believe, if I read it right, you are reporting to us on the ground – direct from Londanistan.
I feel so sad to think of my mother country (I’m a colonial boy in Canada) being raped and plundered by the Islamic hordes. England was always an inspiration to the world. With colonies flung far and wide, they spread civilization wherever they went. Of course these days, we shun a colonial past, but back then, it was the way of the world. These all became the British Commonwealth, of which my country remains a part of to this day.
Britain advanced rapidly during the Industrial Revolution, beginning with James Watson’s invention of the Steam Engine. During the war the British were an inspiration for their steadfastness in the face of the enemy. At that time they advanced technology (my field) with both the invention of radar (my long dead British uncle is said to have worked on that), and the invention of the jet engine. And who could have foreseen that the invention of wonderful Babbage Machine 74 years before the war would portend developments that led to the modern computer and Alan Turing cracking the German’s Enigma Code during the war? England has contributed so much to the modern world.
I have never been there. A few decades ago I suggested to my mother I would like to go there and work for a while to get to know the country and meet my British cousins. My mother told me way back then – “You don’t want to go there now.” She explained that decay had begun to set in with all the immigration. Back then, none of us were even aware of Islam. Now I see it from afar through the lens of the media, and I see it nearly destroyed. I don’t suppose I’ll ever go visit your country now.
How must you feel about that, what has become of your country now? Do you see any hope for the future?
jayell says
Yes, sorry about the layout. I originally wrote it in Microsoft Word, then copied it across and funny things happened.
The thing about London is that, whilst it is officially the capital of England, it’s no longer an ‘English’ city, and hasn’t been for some years now. This is not some sort of biased (I was going to say ‘racist’) opinion, because you can see it clearly in the population statistics. And if you walk around an increasing number of areas of Greater London, the only thing that identifies the location is the ‘Brtiish’ architecture and street furniture; otherwise you might as well be on a different continent. The appalling thing about this is the wanton destruction of the English culture in these areas, and everything that goes with it. Certainly the area in which I grew up has now been ruined, and it’s not really safe to go there some of the time. Move out of London, however, and you’re usually ‘back home’ again – for the time being!
As for the future, the Brexit business seems to have been a symptom of a the beginnings of a rediscovery of our proper (traditional) identity, apart from the obvious total disenchantment with the EU (which we were railroaded into anyway). It had to happen anyway, because no group of people can sustain the schizophrenic existence of a so-called ‘multicultural society’ (what a stupid oxymoron that is!). Maybe increasingly strong suppressive ‘medication’ gives the impression of some sort of ‘normality’ and ‘order’ in the short/medium term, but you can’t keep that up for ever, and sooner or later the whole thing will blow apart. Hence the underlying ‘Brexit’ forces.
I didn’t mention that ‘Baroness’ Warsi spoke about developing an ‘English’ islam, along with the rest of the environmentally-friendly ‘minaret-less mosques’ and ‘islamic church music’ drivel. This really is clutching at straws, desparately trying to to validate islam within the basic national culture and mindset, as if she realises that she and her chums are now starting to lose the game and attempting some damage-limitation to avoid losing all their supremacist face into the bargain. Quite why she seems not to realise the total absurdity of this notion defeats me; she appears to have absolutely no comprehension that, since British (English) values and culture are firmly Christian-based, you cannot reconcile it with an ideology that is not only completely incompatible with it but seems to be disgustingly primitive and barbaric in comparison. And unfortunately, because of all the recent appalling muslim behaviour that is now public knowledge, any attempt at an engineered accommodation becomes less and less likely to succeed as a proper public awareness of islam increases. So will they all now have the sense to retreat into their invisible mosques and make themselves equally invisible, as perhaps Warsi seems to suggest? And we all might just about live sort-of happily ever after, for a time at least? Or will they carry on pushing their luck until the Brexit spirit finally explodes in their faces and they can no longer hide behind their PC stooges? I’m not optimistic.
david says
I have one question…….when a so called “moderate” Muslim makes their claim……how can you dare believe them with the existence of Taqiyya?
When and if a worldwide fatwa is published against/nullifying all references of Taqiyya, is when I will start thinking of believing any proponent of Islam.
Gen Jones says
There’s always a threat implied in these pile of clichés about playing into the hands, using daesh instead of ISIS, so called Islamic state, building bridges, social cohesion etc. proving Khan and his ilk are thugs.
Lesley says
…and it is my sincere hope that Trump will win, and this new a$$hole mayor of Londonistan be first on the list for the proposed travel ban.
I guess ruining his own country wasn’t occupying enough of his time; he had to skip across the pond to do what’s possible to ruin mine.
Lots of colorful expletives flying around in my head for this dude and his ideas…
billybob says
If Muslims can support Western democratic values, they would all flock to join the AIFD – the
Muslim Reform Movement.
Here is their DECLARATION OF THE MUSLIM REFORM MOVEMENT
We reject bigotry, oppression and violence against all people based on any prejudice, including… sexual orientation…
We…consider all people equal…
Sharia is manmade.
We support equal rights for women, including equal rights to inheritance, witness…
Every individual has the right to publicly express criticism of Islam.
Apostasy is not a crime.
Here is a long list of the most wonderful, democratic values you could ever ask for…
http://aifdemocracy.org/declaration-of-the-muslim-reform-movement-signed-by-aifd-december-4-2015/
From FrontPage Mag…
THE MUSLIM REFORM MOVEMENT PLAYS FANTASY ISLAM
Welcome to a personal version of Islam that has nothing to do with Islam.
So far there has been little, if any, support for this reform movement from the greater Muslim-American community. Here is the reason for that lack of support: the Preamble and Declaration are only two pages in length. But in those two pages these “founding authors” fundamentally rejected the commands of Allah in the Koran and the teachings of Muhammad in an effort to create their own Fantasy Islam that is more compatible with Western, Judeo-Christian values.
The article in FrontPage concludes…
If folks are serious about religious reform, one thinks they would like to maintain some connection to their own religious traditions as a basis for that reform. But the Muslim Reform Movement has apparently decided otherwise and seems more interested in establishing a connection with the non-Muslim Western world as the basis for their reform. Such is the luxury of playing Fantasy Islam. And this is the reason why there seems to be little, if any, support coming from the greater Muslim-American community for this small group of aspiring reformers. It is only attention from the non-Muslim world that will sustain the Muslim Reform Movement.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261067/muslim-reform-movement-plays-fantasy-islam-dr-stephen-m-kirby
Now personally, I wish them all the best. I have watched their video, and they seem to be as wonderful a group of folks as you could ever ask for. But do you believe for one minute these people will find resonance with their 1.6 billion kin folk in the greater Umah? Far more likely, one of these nice people are going to be killed by some ISIS inspired jihadi.
Kay says
Did it find resonance with Khan, as those have all been values in London? (I’m guessing not.)
linnte says
Two words- double speak. Khan is very good at it.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Who are the only people who constantly have to be affirmed? Barefaced liars, that’s who.
Hey Sadiq: Do us all a favor and jihad yourself.
Mack Bolan says
Same old liberal quotes, ” build bridges not walls, don’t make the Muslims angry or else” blahh blah. We’ve heard it many many times.
I’ve never heard anyone say that they shouldn’t talk bad about Christians or else.
It’s like the woman who has a drunken, abusive husband , who has to worry about upsetting him lest he beats her ass. Everybody in this country receives their share of bad talk and criticism, they just take it and move on. Muslims should know to expect this before coming here and if they can’t accept living in a country where many people aren’t afraid of insulting Mohammad or wiping their ass with the Koran, then maybe they should save themselves a headache and stay away.
AformerMuslim says
Really Sadiq?
Muslim scholars hold firmly that Democracy is not compatible with Islam.
Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid states, ‘Democracy is a system that is contrary to Islam because it gives the power of legislation to the people or to those who represent them (such as members of Parliament).’
Therefore, by nature, Democracy is a system that is contrary to Islam.
A Former Muslim
http://www.aformermuslim.com
Kay says
I don’t want to get involved in your election, but I hope the best woman wins.
The burkini ban is ridiculous because it tells women what they can’t wear but we can’t show bikinis on billboards.
How many sides does Khan’s mouth have?
No more laissez faire integration . . . I guess it’s time to “start” forcing their way in.
gordon miller says
Muslims indeed can fit into American society. To do this they must renounce their belief in Islam and similarly renounce their Muslim identity. I know of at least one instance of this being done. Unfortunately, if they are living in the wrong place, such as the Middle East, they may well be killed for doing these things.
The safest place to make these changes, of course, is in the United States. But, the Catch 22 is that they must enter the US first.
ljoe says
isn’t he for sharia law ?
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
Evangelization is the KEY. And to evangelize we need true Apostles of the Lord as we have them in THE DIVINE and THE SEHION Retreat Centres, Kerala. Please google and find out more about them.
The primitive Church went on GROWING all because every Christian was an Apostle of the Lord, all lead by the Spirit of Jesus the Lord.
John Boston says
Sadiq Khan is a typical Islamic taquiyya artist. He must know that all Muslims are “submitted to Allah” (for that is what the term means), and that all non-Muslims are kafir, “Infidels”. He certainly knows also that Dar al-Islam is in world-wide conflict with Dar al-Harb (that’s us), until the former conquers the latter. Yet he claims that “We play straight into the hands of those who seek to divide us, of extremists and terrorists around the world, when we imply that it is not possible to hold Western values and to be a Muslim”.
Now, this Muslim mayor of (think of it!) the Capitol of the UK, who has already banned bikini ads on the London metro and is moving to enforce Internet “hate speech” policing, actually has the gall to speak forth as reality his civilized citizen Muslim, as if we should accept this fantasy. Therefore I will correct him.
No, a Muslim cannot be a citizen of Dar al-Hurria (the House of Liberty). Here is why. 1. the Muslim is a citizen of Dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, which is at war with Dar al-Harb (including Dar al-Hurria). 2. He follows not an enlightened Constitution, but the Qur’an and Sharia, which are ghastly relics of 7th-century nomadic tribal barbarism. 3. He holds his women beneath him, for men are “a degree above (women)”; women are “fields” to be “plowed” whenever and however a husband wishes Quran 2.223; 2.228; he can take women as sex slaves, 4.24, and if he even fears his wife may disobey him, he may strike her, 4.34.
I accept as Muslim anyone who confesses with his/her mouth that “there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah”, and follows the word of Muhammad in his/her life. To say that a Muslim can be a true citizen of a free nation is thus a patent absurdity; a Muslim can be a citizen only to the degree that he denies the words of Muhammad.
If Sadiq Khan were not serious, I would be laughing. This man is not an idiot, either: he appears to know that no major British movement will oppose Islamic jihad in UK. The English Defence League has gone somewhere, and Britain First is a vocal but small minority of Patriots. Where, oh where, is another mighty man like Winston Churchill?
I am speaking of the UK, as if America were better. Look at what we have in our Capitol! “The Holy Qur’an states…the Holy Qur’an says…the Holy Qur’an also says…” I am ashamed for America; I am ashamed I chose not to vote at all, rather than to vote against Obama, the silver-tongued Muslim sycophant. You can bet this time I will be at the voting booth early, with my wife. She is from Russia, but she is as much a Patriot as any born American. As for Islam: they can spew it out of their mouths and shove it up the opposite orifice. Dar al-Hurruia! The House of Liberty!
Demsci says
I think you are correct in what you say. I now wonder; is it not all a question of whom the public, through voting, grants POWER? Is it not a matter of what matters most to a majority or substantial, needed minority of people?
Until now, this mayor can get away with this unsincere narrative, completely ignoring as you point out how divisive Islam itself already is.
But will the game change with the ascendancy of, you know, Trump, Wilders, Marine Le Pen, Alternatieve fur Deutschland and the governments of Poland, Hungary, Chechia, Slowakia etc, which gives a shift of Power where they are high in elections?
RAB says
As a Canadian I’m particularly disturbed that Mr. Khan was able to make that last remark about Canada helping the refugees in Canada This is the work of Jihadi Justin, who is carrying out the failed multicultural program of his father, Pierre Elliot Trudeau. Muslims are incapable of critical thinking because they start with an ingrained concept of dual logic which permits them to hold two completely contradictory ideas in their heads at the same time and not see any contradiction because the Koran says so. Here is an example of this backward Muslim thought process. According to Mr. Khan it’s up to us to affirm that Muslims can hold democratic secular views rather than the Muslims showing us by work and deed that they are indeed willing and able to do so. If I understand anything about Islam devout Muslims are not allowed to swear allegiance to an infidel secular government unless they are practicing taquiyya. Am I wrong about that?
Mong says
Khan says Trump is devisive. No, Islam is devisive but he doesn’t want to address that. I wonder why.
Demsci says
True, hitting the nail on the head, Mong! I think you are on to something to use as argument;
When Muslims, political correct politicians start rebuking guys like Trump, Geert Wilders,
we could start comparing to our heart’s content!
Why, the Muslims, Political Correct, use Tu Quoque and comparing in reaction to our warnings all the time, by saying for instance; “The Bible has revolting texts also”, World war I + II killed more people than any Muslim war”, “The atheist Stalin and the Christian Hitler murdered millions” and on and on and on, regardless of nuances that historians would point out.
Well, give it back to them! Protect Trump, Wilders, even Marine Le Pen, in the same way! Say; when we get no response or moral relativism only with our criticism on Islam and Muhammad, we respond by comparing Trump, Wilders with Muhammad and ask “Why the double standards?” You keep ignoring Muhammad’s bad teachings, why then do you ask us to seriously discuss bad teaching of Trump and Wilders?
You keep denigrating, in a painting with one brush, all followers of Trump, Wilders, but we point out how divers they are, how in many different ways they interpret what Trump, Wilders say. And how only a fringe part of their professed followers, who don’t really understand them, are dangerous. As the rest just wants to live their lives.
we can now harass all politicians, Islam-defenders in this tu quoque, comparing way, every time they try to discuss their own criticism and disapprovement of Trump and Wilders. In response to that, until they are as sick of it as we are by so many of their tu quoques and comparisons.
By time and again comparing Trump and Wilders with prophet Muhammad and their followers with those of Muhammad.
D Hinton says
Also, apparently global warming sets them off. Stop breathing infidels.
Bob says
A Muslim will always be a Muslim if he or she decides to hold western values they are not doing what the religion says. A westernised Muslim is not a true praticising muslim he or she will not say anything to bring change to Islam nor will they criticise the wrong doings of a staunch Muslim.
Islam is a religion that is of the most high to a practising muslim. Islam will never mix with another religion. Anyone saying that they are moderate or westernised Muslim is not being honest. The is only way for a Muslim to hold western values is by QUITING his religion and that is never done!