Once again we see the connection between devout observance of Islam and jihad mass murder plotting. The denial is universal among our authorities, but the connection is unmistakable.
“Ahmad Khan Rahami: Wounded suspect ‘way more religious’ after Afghan trip,” by Matt Kwong, CBC News, September 20, 2016:
Ahmad Khan Rahami, the 28-year-old suspect “directly linked” by police to New York and New Jersey bomb plots and now charged with five counts of attempted murder of a law enforcement officer, appeared to spend his days rather innocuously.
When he wasn’t preoccupied with his hobby car tune-ups and modifications, neighbours say, he was often lending a hand at the family business — a small fried-chicken eatery below their Elizabeth, N.J., apartment where Rahami worked the fry stations, goofed on his younger teen brother Aziz and squabbled with customers over petty change.
Rahami was a car freak, with a penchant for imports, say people who frequented First American Fried Chicken on Elmora Avenue. Sometimes he would do early-morning food delivery runs in a white Infiniti, or rumble around in an old but sporty-looking coupe that sounded like it could use a muffler.
“He’d be driving his little two-door cars with the little pizza,” says Enoch Ojo, 26, who lives five houses down from the chicken joint and would often have Rahami deliver wings, pizza and soda to his door.
“You know those people who be driving those beat-up looking race cars? He likes those loud cars.”…
Rahami was not on terror watch lists. But patrons of the restaurant where he worked and family friends reportedly remarked on a change that took hold of him over the last four years, starting when he began travelling to Afghanistan.
The Rahami family is Muslim, but neighbours said they never thought of Rahami as particularly devout. But that changed when he returned from a trip to Afghanistan four years ago, a childhood friend, Flee Jones, told Reuters.
“He was way more religious,” Jones said.
Rahami also reportedly grew his beard out and began wearing more traditional Muslim clothing around that time….

gravenimage says
NYC jihad bomber became “way more religious” after trip to Afghanistan
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Over the years, I have known quite a few people who at various times in their lives have become “way more religious”.
Did it ever lead any of them to want to murder their neighbors? Of course not–with a number of them, it led them to want to *serve* their neighbors in charitable ways.
But then, these have all been Christians and Jews…
Custos Custodum says
Excellent points, Graven Image, as usual.
Among the half-educated in the U.S. and in Europe, it has long been an unspoken convention that it is somehow indecent and embarrassing actually to read and consider religious texts, let alone to write about religious doctrines or even to try to live specific religious mandates. So much easier to claim some vague spirituality without commitment to any specifics.
The resulting ignorance allows Leftist propagandists to point to certain passages in the “Old Testament” to set up a false equivalence by claiming that Christianity is “just as violent as Islam.”
The obvious rejoinder – that Christianity expressly supersedes those archaic strictures, most of which are in any event not open-ended calls to murder and rape – is quite simply unknown to most younger Americans and Europeans.
(Jewish doctrine has also evolved in similar ways over the past 2,600 years, but this is even harder to convey to the semi-literate, particularly those who see themselves in possession of superior Leftist insight.)
Wellington says
“So much easier to claim some vague spirituality without commitment to any specifics.”
Whenever, Custos Custodum, someone tells me they’re not religious but they are spiritual, I just figure I’m dealing with an intellectual lightweight. Possibly even a complete flake.
Damn it. Sometimes life and truth call for an either/or. One such time is whether you’re religious or not. Please, none of this spiritual nonsense as your post aptly pointed to. Also tired of bogus equivalency thinking, specifically what you mentioned respecting foolish comparisons between the Bible and the Koran which don’t take into account that the former is often only descriptive while the latter is always prescriptive.
And I second your encomium of gravenimage. She’s always spot on.
Michael Copeland says
The Bible – a Library with many contributors over a long period.
The Koran – entirely owed to one man, the leader who authorised his followers to lie.
gravenimage says
This is all true, Custos.
But one need not even read religious texts–although it is of course a good idea–to grasp the basic difference. All one really need do is observe how Muslims *act* as apposed to Christians and Jews.
And you are very much correct about leftists considering religion embarrassing–that leads to an inability to understand that Christians and Jews often act from the values of their faith.
But far more important given what is going on today, it means that they cannot believe the Muslims wage violent Jihad and demand Shari’ah on the basis of Islam itself.
That is why they are always flailing around, assuming that Jihad springs from a reaction to economic issues, from our (supposed) “Islamophobia”, or from our foreign policy.
katherine says
Seeing that Muslims always attack Christianity through the Old Testament, I have been cautioning people not to fall into the trap of defending the ‘ essentials of Torah ‘ – instead they ought to inform their attackers on what came after Jesus : the New Testament.
Wonder if this approach holds any water since almost all Christians hold the OT as their foundation: as it is Barrack Hussein sneers contemptuously at e.g. Leviticus and Deuteronomy in his frequent rundowns on Christianity.
gravenimage says
Also, Katherine, Jewish people–who do not follow the New Testament–still follow decent moral principles.
Jews are not running around murdering people and citing Leviticus or Deuteronomy.
Kepha says
Being neither a 2d century Marcionite nor a 1930’s-vintage European “Positive Christian” (Jesus as an “Aryan struggler”), I see disparagement of the Old Testament as a complete and utter non-starter–even if I do see the Gospel of Christ as the central thing in the Bible.
True, I accept that the civil and ceremonial laws of the Old Testament do not bind since the coming of the Messiah (except the general equity of the civil laws for states which are constitutionally Christian); and only the moral law binds forever (summarized in the Decalogue).
As for laws of kashrut and bans on wearing mixed fabrics, these were to keep Israel distinct so it might be there and not absorbed into the nations when the fullness of time would come and the Messiah be born (Gal. 4). As for the sacrificial system centered on the Temple, it is no longer needed now that the Messiah has made the final atonement in his own body on the cross. That is why the Temple was destroyed within a generation of Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection.
However, the things condemned by Moses are forever the things condemned by God–and also the very things which necessitated God becoming man, woking righteousness among us, being falsely and unjustly condemned by a human court, and truly bearing our sins in his atoning death on the cross. It is victory over those same evils that appears in Jesus’ true body-and-soul resurrection on the Third Day and his Ascencion.
As for the ban on the Canaanites, that stands as a warning that it is possible for whole nations to become so corrupted that they must be expunged. Israel herself was warned not to practice the same abominations of the Canaanites (I’ve read Numbers and Deuteronomy) lest she meet the same fate. As a reading of the Prophets revealed, Israel did not heed and hence went into exile.
I will, however, re-iterate what I have said many times before and note that the marching orders which the risen Jesus gave to his church to evangelize rather than conquer may well contain a tacit promise that there is now no nation so collectively depraved that it deserves the Canaanite treatment. Pious opinion, I admit.
Condemnation of adultery, homosexuality, and transgenderism? Well, has it been healthy for so many Western children to be brought up without fathers, exposed to parents with unhealthy fetishes, and the like? Do we really want to expose children to the likes of Harvey Milk, that despicable “safe schools czar”, and Frank Lombard in the name of “love” and “equality” simply because a bunch of stupid and sinful news editors tell us? Is our supposed “humanitarian” treatment of extremely violent offenders good for a society that must foot the tax bill for large numbers of incarcerated people in veritable universities of crime, to which too many young males are exposed?
Positively, loving one’s neighbor, fair dealings, concern for the poor, sexual purity, and all those other things enjoined in the Old Testament are what love is all about. The Beatles and others with their “luv, luv” were, it seems, calling for exploitation of the weak-minded by the irresponsible by way of contrast.
And now our proud, progressive West with its science and “humanitarian” culture, so arrogant in its “secularism”, will spit on its own Christians but exercise the deference towards Islam that has so many who post here rightly crying out in rage! It is now the case that tens of thousands of advanced secular Westerners cower before hundreds of ignorant Muslim jihadis–a bit of an echo of some of the covenantal curses given to ancient Israel, it seems to me. And we would dare to disparage the Bible that the Savior himself read?
The Old Testament was the first Bible of the church and four-fifths of it after the completion of the New Testament. Tossing the higher anti-Semitism of a bunch of 19th century Hegelian German professors and re-appropriating it (while throwing out the current crop of well-dressed bums in high places) might be a very good first step in countering the Jihad.
Kepha says
@Katherine, and addendum to my long post:
His sneering at Leviticus and Deuteronomy are reasons why I weep and view BHO as an errant, ignorant knave.
John Stefan says
Well, Katherine, if the true God (Jahweh) wants to tell the children of Abraham to do the killing and for good reason, (see Deut. 18: 10-12; 9:4-6; II Kings 17:7), the killing of everyone and, also, if He himself wants to kill the homosexuals of Sodom and Gomorrah and then even Lot’s wife because of disobedience and to give His land that He had promised to the children of Abraham, then, we, we pieces of sinful clay, we who through Adam and Eve brought death into the world, death to billions of people and animals too, we (i.e. sinful human beings of the world, including especially the non-Christians) we must stay quiet and ask for mercy, as you and I are doing. We who do have a merciful and a gracious God Who sacrificed His Son so that God for His sake would forgive us our sins and give us eternal life,we thank and praise the true God, the Holy Trinity. Of course, sinful man doesn’t want to hear this. They insist on going their own way and preaching their own falsehoods and worshiping their moon-god and continue marching on the wide road leading to hell. Very sad, isn’t it? I’m guilty in not praying for them enough and not trying to tell the moon-god worshippers what the truth is. I’m sorry.
Janice says
Great point, about being Christians and Jews…
gravenimage says
Malcolm, Putin does have some good leadership qualities, no doubt. But his threatening his neighbors, having journalists assassinated, and enabling a nuclear Iran and Shari’ah in Chechnya are serious concerns.
We definitely are both under threat from Jihad, though. In that, I stand strongly with Russia.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
I am no sure about assassinations, however Obama policies on Iran opened the gate.
Just to point out that Iran has no respect for the US, crazy North Korea, shows contempt for the US, China insults the US president. The rest of the world takes note.
The US draws red lines it cannot enforce. The U S problems are not only its weak Leadership, its values are as thin as tissue paper, it behaves in a arrogant, disrespectful manner, it touts democracy in country’s, and sees no contradiction in demeaning regime change by invasion or force.
President Kennedy a Catholic, had the South Vietnamese president also a Catholic assassinated, A week later Kennedy was assassinated, his brother met the same fate, the surviving brother was a scandal, leaving a young girl to die in his submerged car, while he swam to safety, never looking back.
The South Vietnamese President was a good man dammed by lies.
gravenimage says
Malcolm (SouthAfria) wrote:
I am no sure about assassinations, however Obama policies on Iran opened the gate.
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Thanks for your reply, Malcolm.
I am sure about the assassination of journalists, though–I don’t care how much one might dislike what a journalist has to say, even if one considers it false–these assassinations are *never* justified.
And Putin was enabling a nuclear Iran long before Obama’s playing footsie with them in this insane nuclear deal. There is no doubt, though, that Obama’s actions have done more to embolden the Mullahs than anyone else.
Robert Spencer and virtually everyone at Jihad Watch considers this suicidal madness.
More:
Just to point out that Iran has no respect for the US, crazy North Korea, shows contempt for the US, China insults the US president. The rest of the world takes note.
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This is true–respect for the US around the world has nosedived since Obama took office.
More:
The US draws red lines it cannot enforce. The U S problems are not only its weak Leadership, its values are as thin as tissue paper, it behaves in a arrogant, disrespectful manner, it touts democracy in country’s…
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Well, you may sneer at democracy, but I do not. I oppose Islam not just because of its horrifying brutality, but also because it violates our own civilized values. You may not think that American and Western values are worth defending, but *I do*.
More:
President Kennedy a Catholic, had the South Vietnamese president also a Catholic assassinated, A week later Kennedy was assassinated, his brother met the same fate, the surviving brother was a scandal, leaving a young girl to die in his submerged car, while he swam to safety, never looking back.
The South Vietnamese President was a good man dammed by lies.
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You are incorrect in your belief that Kennedy had Ngo Dinh Diem assassinated. He was killed in a coup by Nguyễn Văn Nhung, the aide of the leader of The Army of Republic of Vietnam.
Ngo Dinh Diem came to power through a fraudulent election, and was largely a strong man, crushing opposition. He also persecuted Buddhists.
It is true that the US viewed Ngo’s policies with a jaundiced eye and was not opposed to a change of leadership, but that is likely as far as it went.
But the coup almost immediately got very ugly, including the assassination of Ngo and his brother.
And as bad as the authoritarian Ngo may have been, Vietnam would, of course, soon face much, much worse under the Viet Cong.
The motive for John Kennedy’s assassination has never been known for sure, and is subject to fevered speculation to this day.
Robert Kennedy was assassinated by a “Palestinian” due to his support for the civilized state of Israel.
I was never been a fan of the appalling Ted Kennedy, and the incident you cite was the worst of it.
Wellington says
Malcolm: As gravenimage already indicated, JFK did not have Ngo Dinh Diem and his brother assassinated. Kennedy and the CIA did give the go-ahead in August of 1963 to have Diem and his brother removed from power, but there was no directive to have them killed. Indeed, when Kennedy was told of Diem’s murder (done by a few ARVN officers) he was deeply upset as several aides reported then and later. One can argue that Diem was the best man America had in South Vietnam, as LBJ said, but there can be no doubting he and his family were corrupt. which leads me to my second and much larger point and it is this: Obama is indeed a very weak President but I sense in you a dislike for America going much further back than just Obama.
Remember that America has won the three largest wars in history: WWI, WWII and the Cold War. Ludendorff, one of the two main German commanders during WWI (the other was Hindenburg) said that the entrance of America into the Great War in 1917 was the decisive event of the war and turned the tide in the Allies favor. As for WWII, yes the Russians fought bravely against the German invaders but America supplied the Soviets with tens of billions of dollars of equipment, opened additional fronts against the Germans in North Africa, Italy and France and were the principal force against Imperial Japan in the Pacific theater (with due respect here given to Australian, New Zealand and British forces who functioned in said theater quite effectively and heroically as well). Surely you know that the Battle of Midway in June of 1942, fought solely between Japan and America, turned the tide in the Pacific. If the Soviets had been left alone to fight the Germans, with Japan as a Nazi ally and not at war with America, matters would have turned out quite differently considering that the Germans almost beat the Soviets even with the Brits, Americans, et al. fighting against the Germans (and Japanese) too, never mind all the aid that America gave to the Russians as I already mentioned. I know in Russia it is thought that WWII was basically a war only between Russia and Germany but this is evidence of Russian self-deception and not the truth.
As for the Cold War, which was really, in effect, WWIII, America ultimately prevailed in this war too, though it lost some battles in this war, for instance Vietnam (which was, I might add, lost by the politicians and not by the American military). The end of the USSR clearly proves this point. America continued. The USSR did not.
I wonder if you grasp that almost everywhere people are free America over the past century has had a hand in said freedom——-in France, The Netherlands, South Korea, indeed even Britain, which without America, as Churchill understood quite well, would have succumbed to the Nazis. Even in conquered countries by America, Germany and Japan as examples, America insured that freedom and not tyranny would prevail. General MacArthur’s administration of Japan for some five or six years was as enlightened a treatment of a defeated enemy as ever recorded in all of history. And then America left Japan in 1951 a free nation, which it is to this day. Contrast the Russian domination of Eastern Europe after WWII where freedom was extinguished wherever Russian influence existed. Meanwhile, during the Cold War, Western Europe was free, thanks first and foremost to America.
Has America had to support some dictatorial regimes at times in order to win the larger battle of expanding freedom? You bet. Welcome to the real world. It would be wonderful if America could have had only full-fledged and free democracies as allies but Realpolitik kept this from happening. I mean we do live in a real world, now don’t we? For instance, America had to support Stalin against Hitler, or do you think this was just another example of American hypocrisy or America not living up to its ideals? Would you prefer that America had not aided Stalin against Hitler?
I leave you with this thought: The single greatest guarantor of peace and freedom in the world is the American military. Just imagine the last hundred years of mankind without it. As dire as the past century has been, it would have been far darker without this extraordinary military which has produced countless thousands of soldiers who fought and often died so that others could be free. When have Russian soldiers given their life, not for victory, but for true freedom?
I hope you reconsider your sentiments about America. Flawed as it is, I am convinced it is the greatest force for good, the greatest nation ever, in the entire history of the world. Ah, if only Obama realized this. I mean really realized this. But I digress. Take care.
gravenimage says
Fine post, Wellington.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Janice.
However, I do not agree with Alex Jones that the threat of Islam is being orchestrated by the West, nor that Jihad terror consists of “false flag” operations.
Islam itself has been a creed of conquest for 1400 years now, since long before globalism ever existed–since before most people believed that a globe existed.
Western “political correctness” is suicidal and sure does not help–but it is not the cause of Jihad.
Wellington says
Janice, Alex Jones is a nut. He thinks the US government was behind the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11. Please in the future consider not discrediting Jihad Watch by posting any more videos by a true right-wing nut job.
Understand, I firmly believe that the Left highly exaggerates about the so-called Far Right. Far, far, almost infinitely far more, is the Left dangerous to freedom in America than is the, in effect, miniscule Far Right, but posting garbage by someone like Alex Jones only feeds the Left-wing frenzy and disinformation. No more if you will.
Angemon says
Wellington posted:
“Understand, I firmly believe that the Left highly exaggerates about the so-called Far Right.”
Anything that deviates from the norm is “far-right”.
Angemon says
Ups, should have started my post by saying “for the left”.
Kepha says
Agreed–and I am a right-wing nut myself!
Champ says
Well put, Graven!
gravenimage says
🙂
abad says
Christians want to convert you.
Muslims want to kill you.
And you know what – contrary to popular belief, people who become born-again Christians do NOT, I repeat, do NOT, have troubled backgrounds.
Gary says
After reading the below verses, I can’t imagine anyone wanting to behead, murder, or “take by thy right hand” anyone. Let alone scream “Allahu Akbar!! Allahu Akbar!! Allahu Akbar!!”
…..But then again, Muhammad was a madman.
John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Romans 5:1-2
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Isaiah 59:1-2
Behold, the LORD’s hand is not shortened,That it cannot save; Nor His ear heavy, That it cannot hear.
But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you,
So that He will not hear.
mortimer says
‘More religious’ means ‘more terrorist’ in Islam.
john spielman says
it’s interesting; in islam, the more religious ones becomes-( ie the more like muhammed ), the more likely they are kill, rob, rape and terrorize people
In Christianity , the more religious one becomes – (the more like Christ Jesus) , they more the are filled with love joy peace patience kindness gentleness faithfulness and self control,
Salome says
Islam just doesn’t do self control. That’s why its women have to go about in tents with male chaperones, and why a minor perceived insult sends Muslims crazy.
abad says
Bingo.
Conversion to Christianity means a literal letting go of one’s imperfections, the base nature of humanity, and when one lets go – a new life really does take place, a renewed spirit. No dwelling on past errors whatever they may be. Life is meant to be enjoyed, joyous. There is none of that in Islam.
When you think about all the miseries, killing, and death in Islam – for Islam is the Religion of Death – all that amounts to in one is a set of Dead Eyes – blank, soulless, alienated from God.
For Muslims are alienated from God – Christ the Lord Jesus who conquered death itself.
The only salvation for Muslims, who are under the control of Satan, is for them to be brought to Christ.
There is no other way.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Here is a good leader, cannot think of any political leader in Europe or in the West who comes near to him in leadership qualities.
Wellington says
Malcolm: I’ll give you Putin’s leadership qualities. He has that. And he’s no fool. But he also confirms in spades what George Kennan, adviser to many American Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, fluent in Russian (and many other languages too), briefly Ambassador to the USSR (until Stalin demanded his withdrawal for the grave crime of telling the truth), said about the Russians, to wit, that they look upon their neighbors as vassals or enemies. Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Czechs, Slovaks, Finns, Ukrainians, Georgians, yes it’s a very long list, know the truth of this statement through and through.
The Russians also have no understanding of true freedom. And Putin sees NATO, the greatest military alliance in history for the protection and promotion of freedom (and yes, it’s a damn shame that Turkey under Erdogan is still in NATO), as an enemy, which is quite telling and damning. I hope you understand all this.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Thanks Wellington
The West is devoid at this time of morality. Truth is not an objective, it what the left determines.
The pay to play scandal is what determines Western moral values, (US ambassadors.) If a school child who is male, thinks he is a girl then he can enter the females rest room. This is a simple example how Western Society is molded not by traditional values.
When the West gives Aid to Africa it comes with demands that we submit to the values of abortion, contraception, anything the West demands.
Europe is weak their leaders do not understand their predicament, slashing their birth rate, they need immigration for the economy and work force. They have lost or loosing their traditions, culture for pleasure and an individual lifestyle.
However your point is well taken, none of us is perfect, perhaps, the West and Eastern Europe need to strive for reconciliation.
We have a common Enemy and Europe, the USA, Canada, Africa have poor leadership.
What the Vid points to, is family culture, tradition.
Wellington says
Thanks for your response, Malcolm If only the best of Russia and the best of the West would reconcile. It would be a boon not only to Russia and the West but to all mankind.
Russia has never gotten freedom as the ancient Greeks, the English, the Dutch, the Americans and others have, but freedom must come with an awareness of responsibility and common sense and these seem to be sorely lacking in the West nowadays. Trouble with Russia is it never “got” freedom in the first place.
In short, one “got” freedom and is now abusing it and the other never “got” freedom and so has never understood it. Damn shame all around.
gravenimage says
vlad wrote:
As for Putin. I know Russia will never cave in to islam. Muslims in Russia are in fact no muslims at all. Just a name (which they even do not like to pronounce).
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I wish this were the case, vlad. Are you unaware of Jihad in Russia? There was the horrifying siege at the Beslan school, and Jihad terror attacks in Moscow at the theater, at the subway, and at the international airport. Just recently, a pious Muslimah beheaded a little girl under her charge and brandished her head at a metro station.
Chechnya is now under Shari’ah law, and this has happened on Putin’s watch, and with his approval.
The Tsarnaev brothers–the Boston Marathon bombers–were Russian Muslims. Many Russian Muslims are fighting for the Islamic State.
Your idea that Russian Muslims are somehow all peaceful apostates does not bear much scrutiny, I’m afraid. I wish it *were* the case.
Kepha says
Wellington and Malcolm: I do not idolize Putin; merely respect him (and being very wary of him)–while praying that his reconciliation to Russian Orthodoxy might lead him to a more sympathetic approach to his neighbors to the West.
I am also very wary of Putin’s alliances with Iran and China.
I’ll also ad, for the sake of others on these threads, that I have reached the regretful conclusion that Ngo Dinh Diem was indeed killed with official American encouragement. Part of it stemmed from American memories of the difficulties we had in handling Synghman Rhee in South Korea–an ally, to be sure, and staunch anti-Communist, but motivated by a very intense Korean patriotism that got very bellicose at a time when American opinion was no longer supporting a prolonged war against the Communists in Korea. This sort of thing, I fear, was one reason why US policy for most of the Cold War was so ineffectual–alliance with America could be a kiss of death.
As for Ngo Dinh Diem’s persecution of certain Buddhist monks, a lot of them were pretty unsavory, too, and made of the same cloth as the Boxers in China scarcely a lifetime before their own time.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Hi Vlad
You pin pointed my hometown, the most beautiful place on earth.
Peace be with you and you are right. I take note what you write.
gravenimage says
Malcolm, Putin does have some good leadership qualities, no doubt. But his threatening his neighbors, having journalists assassinated, and enabling a nuclear Iran and Shari’ah in Chechnya are serious concerns.
We definitely are both under threat from Jihad, though. In that, I stand strongly with Russia.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
September 20, 2016 at 5:18 pm
I am no sure about assassinations, however Obama policies on Iran opened the gate.
Just to point out that Iran has no respect for the US, crazy North Korea, shows contempt for the US, China insults the US president. The rest of the world takes note.
The US draws red lines it cannot enforce. The U S problems are not only its weak Leadership, its values are as thin as tissue paper, it behaves in a arrogant, disrespectful manner, it touts democracy in country’s, and sees no contradiction in demanding regime change by invasion or force.
President Kennedy a Catholic, had the South Vietnamese president also a Catholic assassinated, A week later Kennedy was assassinated, his brother met the same fate, the surviving brother was a scandal, leaving a young girl to die in his submerged car, while he swam to safety, never looking back.
The South Vietnamese President was a good man dammed by lies.
Angemon says
Malcolm (SouthAfria) posted:
“I am no sure about assassinations, however Obama policies on Iran opened the gate.”
Huh, what? Have you been sleeping from 1979 ’till recently?
gravenimage says
Malcolm, please see my above reply here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/nyc-jihad-bomber-became-way-more-religious-after-trip-to-afghanistan/comment-page-1#comment-1525291
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Thanks for engaging me on these subjects.
Truthfully Wellington the wars you mention are allied wins not American. It is difficult to find a war that the US has won since. In fact the US came in rather late in the second. My late Father fought in the 2nd my young uncle who I never saw, died in it.
gravenimage: Democracy needs checks and balances to make it work. It is not a system that elects a president and is a dictatorship for that term. There is no political system of government that I favor.and no politician, that is not my concern. Justice, truth and fairness is what is sought in political systems that gives true freedom.
Read what Kepha says, also study the demographics of South Vietnam, therein resides the reason.
On the assassination point it might do people well to look at drone attacks and find the morality in the indiscriminate killing of the Innocent, while seeking the target who has not been tried by any legal body who is outside a war zone.
My point here is what you accuse Putin off could be ascribed to the US, on a larger scale. Putin is a politician all I can say he is proving himself. Is this good or bad, time will tell.
This is not a criticism of the US only, the West engages in it,they are better in the concealment.
Angemon says
“My point here is what you accuse Putin off could be ascribed to the US, on a larger scale.”
Would you be kind enough to take a break from your busy West-slamming schedule to explain that?
Wellington says
Take the Americans, Malcolm, out of WWI, WWII and the Cold War and matters were have been very different, like 180 degrees different most probably. And the lateness of America coming into both WWI and WWII only helps prove my point, not yours. The entrance in both wars at the time it occurred turned the tide. Reconsider.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Thanks Wellington,and gravenimage ,
You are good people.
gravenimage says
Thank you.
Malcolm (SouthAfria) says
Thanks Wellington, A presumption does not prove or disprove a fact. It is true the Allied forces won both world wars.
Angemon Thank you, please read this at your leisure, this is what your press say. It is a world view as well.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/
Angemon says
Malcolm (SouthAfria) posted:
“Angemon Thank you, please read this at your leisure, this is what your press say. It is a world view as well.”
That does not address my point. You wrote:
And I asked you:
You compared the assassination of people who look into Putin’s past or criticize him with the killing of known, wanted criminals, often murderers with blood on their hands.
It’s clear that you have two goals here: deride Western self-confidence and prop up Putin and Russia. Hence why you’re trying to pass two completely different things as if they were equivalents. The closest to drone strikes would be the extra-judicial killings in Chechnia.
P.S.: Before 9/11, Bill Clinton refused to have Osama bin-Laden killed by bombing because he was afraid of the collateral damage done to civilians.
Alien Republican says
“NYC jihad bomber became “way more religious” after trip to Afghanistan”
That would explain a lot if islam was the religion of pieces.
Bill Stevens says
Time to start profiling and rounding up these mopes before they go on their jihadi murdering and butchering streak!
Ciudadano says
I’m no longer receiving email notifications at my gmail account, anyone else with the same problem?
gravenimage says
Ciudadano, you can contact Marc Louis with technical issues at the “Contact Us” box on the right-hand or bottom of the JW page (depending on screen configuration). I’ve heard a couple of other posters mention this same problem.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
When a Christian becomes “way more religious” he often devolves into a pushy proselytizer, a boor. And a boor. Way religious Jews tend to disappear into the crowd. Way religious Buddhists at worst make a spectacle of themselves at the airport. Or at they used to back in the day, when airports were friendly and open places..
Why is it that a Moslem becomes way more religious we first hear about him after a mass murder of non-Moslems? I’m starting to think there’s a pattern here.
AformerMuslim says
More religious = following the Quran and Hadith?
A Former Muslim
http://www.aformermuslim.com
Paul Clark says
Where are the Christians? Why have most fled the cross? How will they be able to turn the other cheek when the Muslims have beheaded all of them. ?
Florida Jim says
This is a clue to our FBI and Jeh Johnson, if someone goes back to a mideast hellhole to train and learn when they return watch them closely there seems to be a strong connection.The boys Father and Mosque should be watched closely if the Imam’s teach about the Caliphate, sharia, Jihad, Taqiyya,beheading and dhimmitude beware of more deaths from this Mosque.The connection is inescapable.Regardless of what our dunce of a President and his brainwashed administration says.
John A. Marre says
Every year there are killings right after their “holy month” of Ramadan.
There are countless stories of someone converting to Islam and immediately becoming a terrorist.
The connection between fervent practice of that religion and violence is obvious.
Will Doohan says
9/21/16 – I just read this sentence in a NY Times article. Apparently, this is what they believe causes Jihad terrorism.
“It fails to address the hardest and most common cause of radicalization in the United States, when personal demons morph into ideologically driven violence.”
You see! These guys are just driven by mental illness!