This headline from the Daily Telegraph exemplifies a false assumption that prevails all over the West. In reality, the “Aussies” who were killed fighting for the Islamic State didn’t consider themselves “Australian” at all, in terms of their citizenship; they considered themselves to be citizens of the global umma, and of the caliphate that, as far as they were concerned, was the only earthly government to which they owed allegiance. It is assumed by those in power in Australia, Western Europe and North America that Islamic State jihadis who have not been killed can return and become, with proper care and attention, productive citizens. They don’t realize, and refuse to realize, that for that to happen would require a total change in the jihadis’ world view, which those authorities are doing absolutely nothing to try to bring about.
“Death toll of Aussies fighting with Islamic State rises to 68, juvenile terrorism charges rise,” by Daniel Meers, Daily Telegraph, October 25, 2016 (thanks to Kenneth):
MORE than 30 Australians have been killed fighting alongside Islamic State in Syria and Iraq since July last year.
Counter Terrorism Minister Michael Keenan will today tell the Lowy Institute in Sydney that 33 people have been killed in the last 15 months, taking the total number of Aussie deaths to 68.
Another 110 people are still believed to be fighting in the Middle East while an additional 45 suspected jihadists have had their passports cancelled since July last year.
The total number of Aussies killed fighting for IS now sits at 68.Chillingly, the number of juveniles facing terrorism charges has risen from zero to six over the same period.
Mr Keenan will tell the institute that Australia remains well placed to combat extremism but concedes the rapid demise of ISIL on the front line could provide more challenges.
“As ISIL suffers military defeats its modus operandi will change,’’ he will say.
“ISIL in Iraq and Syria will revert to being an underground terrorist organisation.
“It will also seek to expand its networks in Europe and elsewhere — including in our region.”
Mr Keenan said authorities have foiled 11 terrorist attacks in Australia and remained confident of foiling further attempts however the likelihood of an attack in Australia remains probable.
“ISIL wants to generate global attention, create panic and spread fear. In this information age, we are never far away from a reminder of the fact that a terrorist attack in Australia is probable,’’ the speech says….
Moses says
Despite the headlines the politicians refuse to change for the good.
Pong says
Is that an incripted message?
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Preposition problem: “A is fighting with B” is ambiguous. It could mean either [1] A is fighting against B; i.e., A and B are opponents, or [2] A and B are fighting on the same side, both against some other party C. I took the headline to mean [1], but subsequent descriptions (“fighting alongside B”, “fighting for B”) make it clear that meaning [2] is intended.
mortimer says
Terrorists who renounce their citizenship should be sent to a Devil’s Island where they can live in isolation until they undergo deprogramming out of Islam.
Pong says
Usually you are better then that.
Rob says
It’s like Obama referring to ISIS as ‘folks’
Angemon says
What do authorities think those 45 suspects will do if they’re barred from waging jihad in Syria?
Anne Smith says
Far better to send them on their way for Putin and his merry men to deal with. Problem solved.
No Fear says
68. That’s roughly one quarter of the number of Aussies killed in the Vietnam War.
Vlad says
They weren’t “Aussies” mate and good riddance. May Jehova shit upon their souls.
Angry Aussie says
68 is not enough. Give back their passports and charter flights to Syria for them I say. Enough of these illegal madrassahs in suburbia and the Salafist mongrels at work. There’s a million more we could happily send over and not miss them.
ploome says
good news
Matthieu Baudin says
“… In reality, the “Aussies” who were killed fighting for the Islamic State didn’t consider themselves “Australian” at all, in terms of their citizenship; they considered themselves to be citizens of the global Umma, and of the caliphate that, as far as they were concerned, was the only earthly government to which they owed allegiance…”
And furthermore, ‘Aussies’ and ‘Kiwis’ have a strong tradition of community and common support. As both these countries are actively committed to smashing the ISIS edifice, anyone who travelled to fight with the enemy would be seen as a back stabber of the worst kind, and as having forfeited their former national identity (tenuous as this may have been in the first place).
Dehne says
It is difficult to comprehend that in my country Australia police have recently thwarted 11 terrorist attacks. Thank you police but why have we to even tolerate these threats of indisciminate killing in this country? Who let these nutters in? Who nurtured them? Why increase their religious base in this country. ? This country is so stupid in its PC practice it’s Islamic problems are like a judgement on its stupidity. The jihadi
‘s have certainly judged us as stupid and worthy of judgement.
Mano says
Maybe Australias should call on Russian air strikes on area in western Sydney Muslim suburbs of Auburn, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Bankstown
dumbledoresarmy says
Re the eleven thwarted jihad plots (all within the past two-three years)
The “Telegraph” (Sydney) recently provided a handy list.
So, here’s three years’ worth of foiled jihadi attacks in Australia, listed under the code names of the police/ intelligence ops that prevented them.
1/ December 2014-March 2016: Operation Appleby, Sydney – (prevention of) a plot against government workers.
2/ September 2014 – Operation Bolton, Brisbane – (foiling of) preparation for an onshore attack
3/ February 2015 – Operation Castrum, Sydney – (foiling of) plans for a beheading attack.
4/ April 2015 – Operation Rising, Melbourne – (foiling of) a plan to attack police and then the public at Anzac Day ceremonies
5/ May 2015 – Operation Amberd, Melbourne – (foiling of) a plan to attack a Mother’s Day event in Melbourne
6/ Jan-Feb 2016 – Operation Chillon, Sydney – (foiling of) a plot to attack Parramatta Westfield (Westfield being a large shopping centre – CM)
7/ April 2016 – Operation Vianden, Sydney – (foiling of) a plot to get a firearm and bomb-making instructions for an attack on or before Anzac Day
8/ May 2016 – Operation Sanandres, Sydney – man arrested scouting possible sites for an attack in Sydney with a firearm or I.E.D.
9/ June 2016 – Operation Himeji, Sydney – (arrest of a) teenager planning stabbing jihad
10/ August 2016 – Operation Fortaleza – (foiling of) a plan to use I.E.Ds in Melbourne
11/ October 2016 – two (Muslim) boys (in Sydney) buy knives to carry out a stabbing or slashing jihad
Seven out of the eleven foiled plots were hatched in Sydney, which – not coincidentally – is where the majority of Aussie-resident Mohammedan mobsters are located.
Three were hatched in Melbourne – which contains the second-largest colony of Mohammedans in Australia.
One was hatched in Brisbane, whose Mohammedan colony is somewhat smaller.
I would add that within the same time period – late 2014-October 2016 there have also been actual *attacks* that caused wounding and / or deaths of Aussie Infidels.
1/ the Lindt cafe hostage-taking in Sydney in December 2014, carried out by a Muslim named Man Monis, who murdered one of his hostages (Tori Johnson) in cold blood [the other person who died was killed by shrapnel ricochet when the police, after Johnson’s murder, stormed the cafe to break the siege],
2/ the Muslim murder of Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, Sydney on 2 October 2015
3/ Muslim attempted ambush-murder of two police on 23 September 2014 in Melbourne (which resulted in the serious wounding of the two cops, and the (unlamented) death of the Mohammedan attacker, who was killed in self-defence by one of his victims),
4/ the Muslim stabbing and attempted murder of a middle-aged infidel dog-walker in a park on 11 September 2016 in Minto, Sydney (the victim survived only because of the brave and timely intervention of fellow infidels),
5/ the Muslim murder of two young Infidel backpackers in a hostel in Home Hill, Queensland on August 23 2016
Three of these attacks took place in Sydney – two of which killed people, one of which caused severe wounding. One took place in Melbourne and one in a country town in Queensland.
This breakdown, too, roughly reflects the relative Muslim presence in New South Wales, Victoria, and Queensland.
One may note that the total Muslim presence in Australia stands at about 2 percent of the population; there are maybe 600 000 Muslims in Australia, most of them in Sydney and Melbourne, though they are now creeping into and establishing forward operating bases in our major regional centres, cities such as Bendigo (Victoria) and Toowoomba (Queensland).
There have also been any number of Muslim-on-Muslim murders, including two recent ‘honour’ murders (there have been others, less recent), and a gruestome case a “Rohingya” (ethnically Bengali) Muslim ‘refugee’ from Burma murdered and decapitated and otherwise mutilated a *fellow* Rohingya ‘refugee’ with whom he had had a falling-out. Then there’s the murderous feuding, mostly in west/ southwestern Sydney, between various Mohammedan crime ‘families’; they spend a lot of time ambushing and killing each other.
PS The other thing that bears thinking about is the perceptible *escalatiion* of the plotting. The jihad is hotting up.
There were two foiled plots in 2014; three in 2015; *six* in 2016 (so far; and the year is not yet out, we still have November and December to go).
Baucent says
So 68 “Australians” killed fighting for the Islamic State. Rather interesting to contrast that to Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, where the total is 41.
BDM says
Good news! 30 jihadi terrorists wont be returning to Australia!