Zia Khan, the director of the Islamic center, said: “It’s not like ‘Oh, why all of a sudden?’ Because we tried to deal with it on a neighbourly basis. We went to [the brewery] umpteen number of times.”
Yet Joshua Counsil, one of the co-founders of Good Robot, “said he believed the relationship with the centre had been cordial.”
One of those two men is lying. There is no way to tell which one, but there is this:
“Khan said others in the area have called police to complain about the brewery, though he said the centre has not.
“Halifax Regional Police said it has received one call regarding Good Robot — a noise complaint in July.”
And then there is the Islamic supremacist assumption that non-Muslims must conform in all times and places to Islamic sensibilities. Khan is already crying “Islamophobia,” but that is an empty charge, as that supremacist imperative actually exists, and should also be considered when evaluating this case.
“Islamic centre wants Good Robot’s liquor licence revoked,” by Anjuli Patil, CBC News, October 17, 2016:
Members of the Centre for Islamic Development on Robie Street say they’re sick and tired of beer bottles, cigarette butts, marijuana smells, loitering, vandalism, vomiting, urination and loud noise they say is coming from the next door business, Good Robot Brewing Company.
“At one time the noise was so unbearable we couldn’t walk in the hallway. They’ve had marijuana smoking right in our vestibules, right in our doorways so it goes all throughout the premises,” said Zia Khan, the director of the centre.
“We find vomit in front of our doorways — not every morning. We find urine, we find beer bottles smashed.”
The centre, which has been in the neighbourhood close to two decades, filed a complaint against the bar and brewery with the alcohol and gaming division of Service Nova Scotia on Sept. 28. The centre wants the brewery’s liquor licence revoked.
Khan said the centre has also been taking pictures of the infractions.
‘Urinating, vomiting, you name it’“In the bylaw, when it says you don’t have any access to peace and enjoyment of your own property, then one of the reasons to actually retract the licence is that,” said Khan.
“Urinating, vomiting, you name it. It was a big party right in our doorways.”
Prior to the formal complaint, Khan said representatives with the centre met with brewery staff to talk about noise and mess issues. He said he was assured that something would be done, but said it’s gotten worse.
“The music is so loud that we’ve had to put insulation in our windows and even then the beat of the music actually comes inside so we can’t even have a meeting or can’t talk or do anything,” he said.
“It’s like having a blaring radio station that you don’t like.”
Good Robot brewery bylawThe Good Robot Brewing Company opened next to the centre on May 9, 2015. Its tap room opened that December and the beer garden opened in May 2016.
Khan said others in the area have called police to complain about the brewery, though he said the centre has not.
Halifax Regional Police said it has received one call regarding Good Robot — a noise complaint in July….
Joshua Counsil, one of the co-founders of Good Robot, said the brewery is taking the accusations from the Islamic centre “very seriously.” Counsil said he learned about formal complaint to Service Nova Scotia late last week.
“The three co-founders and our legal representation are looking at the individual matters and we’re going to come up with solutions that work for everyone,” said Counsil.
“We’re just trying to go about this as diplomatically as possible.”
Counsil said he believed the relationship with the centre had been cordial. The next step, he said, will be to reach out to the centre.
“We were very shocked at the whole thing and we’re hoping to have a sit down this week,” he said.
Xenophobic messagesSince news came out about the complaint, Khan said he received hurtful messages. He said the complaints have nothing to do with religion.
“They’re extremely like Islamophobic, xenophobic, kind of the idea of ‘Get used to our way of life’ and ‘You foreigners’ and ‘You Middle Easterners’ and we’re getting all kinds of nasty letters. People don’t realize it’s a bylaw issue,” he said.
“It’s not like ‘Oh, why all of a sudden?’ Because we tried to deal with it on a neighbourly basis. We went to [the brewery] umpteen number of times.”
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
This doesn’t sound particularly Islam-related. It’s a complaint about a business that attracts dirty, noisy patrons. The complainant makes no reference to Islam. The Good Robot seems to have a street-level beer garden in front of it, and it is not obvious which neighbouring building (on left, or on right?) is the location of the Centre for Islamic Development. A neighboring Centre for Yoga Development might have the same complaint.
Joe says
Yeah, this is one of the few posts on JihadWatch where I’m not convinced we’re fairly seeing Jihad. I haven’t seen any evidence yet that this is Jihad. I could see myself having such complaints against a neighboring bar. If the bar can’t get it’s patrons in order, that’s the bar’s problem.
El Cid says
You don’t get it.
The centre’s representative said that they had gone to discuss this with their neighbor many times.
He said that the other neighbors had called the police.
There is no evidence given that either of these statements are true.
If it were true, he would not be reporting it to the newspaper anyway.
More over, he used the “Islamophobic” word. This is direct propaganda as you well know. He is preparing a case against the Brewery for the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, a system with no due process.
My response? I would have the city ‘zone them out’.
Georg says
“My response? I would have the city ‘zone them out’.”
On the subject of zoning, which is unlike the others?
Mary’s Place Cafe
Synergy + Pilates
The Coastal Cafe
T.G.’s Barber Shop
Cocoa and Honey Chocolates
Good Robot Brewing Company
Speedy Auto Service Halifax
Wolf Collision Limited
Centre for Islamic Development
*Hint: It’s not “Speedy Auto Service Halifax”
Oliver says
IF I read this correctly, AND I DID- the Islamic Center has been there for a couple of decades. the bar opened last year.
I would go with the Islamic Center, on this one.
ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE THE PICTURES OF THE VOMIT, ETC. As Mark Spahn mentions- the bars patrons-seem to be noisy; dirty ( and not mentioned, slovenly, and probably cannot hold their booze or beer)
And, I only noticed the Islamphobia in the comments by the author, not by Khan.
gravenimage says
Yes–there is no indication that any other neighbors have had a problem with Good Robot–just the Mohammedans who consider serving liquor Haram.
carpediadem says
Exactly. I agree with this.
carpediadem says
I agree with Joe’s comment that is.
August West says
You may be right in this case, but we know Islam is beneath the surface, and precudents established in this case will be used in other cases.
Lawfare is a strategy that is,used by CAIR and it’s Canadian equivalent. It would have been interesting to see how involes they are.
If I had to guess the bar will be out of business in a,year.
Allan says
Yes, a CfYD might have similar complaints, and like the Islamic centre it would be a refuge for thieving cry bullies with a totalitarian political agenda. It’s interesting also the the Good Robot, too, is likely to be run by leftists, though this is by no means certain.
At any rate, Muslims are brigands and cultists who refuse to let others live in peace. So there is no justification for your assumption that they have property rights of their own which others are obliged to respect. Furthermore, we don’t know who urinated, vomited, and broke beer bottles. Muslims are notorious for arranging smears to portray theirselves as victims, and we know that they approve of far greater crimes than malicious prosecution. So we should be willing to suspect that the bar’s patrons have not been as great a nuisance as the Muslims would like the community to believe.
Georg says
Like rhinos stomping out fire, Islam barrels at joy and snuffs it out. And boy, oh boy, do liberals love it.
Jaladhi says
Isn’t that good – Canadians is now feeling the tentacles of Islamic snake( yeah, snakes don’t have tantacles, I know) in their country. Actually they will bow to the demands of their Islamic refugee migrant Muslims whom they have invited so lovingly! So how can they refuse their ever increasing demands for sharia compliance.
The Ginger says
But not every customer vomits and pisses, so we shouldn’t do anything to punish the innocent, peaceful drinkers, right?
Rev g says
I see what you did there….good show. Hey Good Robot, why not free pork rinds instead of peanuts or pretzels?
Georg says
good one. unfortunately Islam is the religion of exceptions: always taking exceptions with things, expecting to have exceptions made for it, and on, and on, and on.
KrazyKafir says
Notice the police have only received “one” complaint. Pictures??? Where are the videos? Pictures can be deceiving. Did CBC ask to see the pictures? I’d be surprised if they had.
Alia iacta est says
Yes pictures can be be deceiving -hey are are those guys with their heads down on the pavement vomiting or are they praying to Allah and do those women walking past look disgusted because of all of the men’s asses being shoved in their faces?
Do we have to put up with these disgusting public displays of hundreds of male posteriors on the footpath…and then there’s the wailing, whining, cats-calling to pray 5 times a day.
Who are these barbarians with no manners, no public decorum, and no concern for others? Westophobia! We should complain.
Kumi Ho says
I don’t buy it. If there were multiple complaints called in I’d think they have a case, but if they won’t call themselves, and this is the first the brewery is hearing of these complaints, it sounds too much like using the local laws to expand Sharia.
Angemon says
Not “sick and tired” enough to move, apparently.
All the work of muslims, for all I know. We’ve had muslims attacking mosques and faking hate crimes – why should this not be another fabricated incident?
So they don’t want them to move, they just want them not to sell alcohol. The alleged noise and smoking of marijuana would continue, and people could get drunk there anyway if they brought booze from home so removing the liquor licence wouldn’t help them in any way, except that they would be complying with islamic law about not selling booze.
No, if you don’t have “peace and enjoyment of your own property” you move from your property. Considering the complains, I don’t see how they would be addressed by removing their licence to sell alcohol.
“Others”? Mosque-goers or kuffar?
A complaint by whom?
Yeah, “outreach” – what could possibly go wrong?
Awwww, the poor wittle baby had his fewings hurt?
What else could he say?
St. Michael Defend Us says
Angemon wrote: “Not “sick and tired” enough to move, apparently”
No, they do not want to move, I searched for their website, and they are, in fact, planning a huge expansion.
If this is a brewery and taproom, wouldn’t most of the beer be “on tap”? Where are the beer bottles coming from? I think that is a specious complaint.
This is also, a commercial business area, not a residential area. The Islamic Center is not a hotel where guests are trying to sleep during the brewery hours.
I searched out the website of the Good Robot brewery. Their hours seem to be in line with most bars/restaurants. Most schools, department stores, yarn shops, libraries, are CLOSED and EMPTY during those evening hours when bar music, traffic, noise, are likely to be a problem. If they have an outdoor area, in Halifax it can only be seasonal.
My opinion in this case goes to Islamic supremacism as a motive.
Rob Crawford says
Planning an expansion? Perhaps they’re trying to get the land Good Robot is on.
Oliver says
They (Islamic center) has been there for two decades. Why should they move?
(I am no fan of Islam, but I also don’t want a bar near where I work- or live).
And as to beer bottles- many of the bars that I have been to offer bottled 9 and sometimes canned) beer in addition to beer on tap.
The bar COULD lower the music level; and I am unaware of pot laws and smoking in restaurant laws in Canada- but could-probably should-do something about that.
as to the bar owner ” not knowing about this”. Perhaps there is more then one owner, and the interview was with the one who did not know- not his partners.
Just, i think that this is not an Islam trying to be better. just trying to use their property without having to put up with drunks, etc.
AND THEY WERE THERE FIRST- WERE THERE EVER ANY COMPLAINTS AGAINST THEM?
billybob says
“And as to beer bottles- many of the bars that I have been to offer bottled 9 and sometimes canned) beer in addition to beer on tap.”
In Canada, you are not allowed to leave the premises with an open bottle or can of beer. Drinking outside of your own home or a bar is prohibited. There is no public consumption of alcohol in public spaces allowed. Bars are well monitored for compliance with liquor laws.
Some micros-breweries in some provinces are allowed to sell beer by the case to shoppers coming into the store part, but a bar patron can’t buy beer at the bar and take it outside where he continues to consume it. Bottom line: You simply do not find beer bottles and beer cans littering the street around a bar in Canada. You do, however, find everything else mentioned.
Carolyne says
Why is this guy complaining? Sounds like the filth and the noise should make him homesick for beautiful downtown Islamabad.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
My thoughts exactly Carolyne!
As for the supposed issue of who to believe here: PUHLEEZE. There are two parties to this conflict. One of them is not only muslim, but an ‘islamic centre’. Muslims are liars.
Case closed.
duh_swami says
Islamic development? What’s that? I through Islam was already developed to perfection…
I don’t know about Canada, but in the US a liquor license for hard liquor on premise consumption, (bars,) is highly prized and costs a fortune…
As far as the bar is concerned a puking drunk is a satisfied customer…
Tommy says
I say close it and open up a gay club.
David says
The liquor store needs to hang up some nice HAMS in his front window! Or smoked bacon. With pictures of a smiling PIG in a turbun?
Let the savages know that no one is going to start kissing fat muslim ass!
Lynn in Florida says
I suspect the Islamic Centre never complained because then the police would come and would see whether or not there were beer bottles on the street and rowdy patrons. Now there are just allegations by the Islamic Centre with no hard evidence.
David says
I don’t give a damn what these donkey fuckers demand!
This is rediculous.
Maybe the entire neighborhood should demand this SATANIC CENTER be closed down first?
Georg says
Bucket List:
n) Get drunk at Good Robot and head on over to the Centre for Islamic Development on Robie Street.
Rev g says
Finding out that the Islamic center has closed…..priceless
David says
You mean to say: “SATANIC center demands”
There is no room in the neighborhood for a group of trouble making pseudo NAZI’S calling them selves satan worshipers. (AKA muslums)
They can suck it up or
GET THE F $#@ OUT !
Georg says
Exactly. They should let their co-fascists back in Chateau d’Sharia know their beachheads will only be pissed and puked upon so best to remain in their wrought.
Paul says
“It’s like having a blaring radio station that you don’t like.”
You mean like having a mosque blaring out the call to prayer in your neighbourhood?
Georg says
LOL!!!!
somehistory says
I have lived where I live for quite some time. All of my neighbors are newer to the area. None of them own a bar, but they may as well.
I have the same complaints about my neighbors as this islam center, but the police do not do anything. So, I bear it without grinning. It is a weekly thing…they play their *music* every day from boom cars…most nights until well after midnight and into the next morning.
If the entire account is true, then I would have to side with the Khan guy. If they have outside speakers and blast their daily call to do their preying, then that would add something to the mix. It sounds very much like a lawsuit could happen.
gravenimage says
With all respect, somehistory, I would take the claims of these Mohammedans with a huge grain of salt.
And I say this as someone who does not drink, and doesn’t like being around those who drink to excess.
But Muslims have a long and ugly history of trying to shut down “Haram” businesses–those that serve not just alcohol, but also that sell pork or lingerie:
“Vermont: Restaurant ad for bacon removed after Muslim claimed it offended her”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/vermont-restaurant-ad-for-bacon-removed-after-muslim-claimed-it-offended-her
somehistory says
Well, that is why I said if the account is the *truth* of what is actually happening. If there are such loud noises and behavior such as described, then they have a point.
I wouldn’t take it at face value, but would need more. That is why I said, *if the account is true.*
I wouldn’t be surprised to find out it isn’t, but I know what I have to put up with lately and if they aren’t causing their own strife with the evils of islam’s behavior…
Carolyne says
Their daily call to “Preying,” is quit correct. I suspect you mean “Praying, ” though.
Carolyne says
Quite
Phil says
Ahhh Multiculturalism…How lovely for liberals that live very far away from these mosques.
Eric Jones says
If the islamic Center is successful against the Good Robot, other businesses and neighboors of theirs will be next. Let the Islamic Center move, to Saudi Arabia!
Eric
Donovan Nuera says
“If they have a good IPA,
Let them stay”
-Johnny Cochran, Esq.
No Fear says
Can the Islamic Centre prove that the vomit , smashed beer bottles, marijuana and urine were placed there by non muslims from the Good Robot? In my country there was a case of damage at a mosque reported to police which turned out to be done by someone at the mosque. I hope the police check that angle.
Daniel Rubio says
Muslims are outraged by the “urinating and vomiting”. That’s only when the urinating and vomiting is not done by them.
Joe Swis says
Those of the islamic are not supposed drink alcoholic beverage of any type. I worked with a muslim woman from Pakistan for 13 years ans she would never consume any type and said it was forbidden
ensitue says
It’s necessary to drive-out the Kafirs in order to establish a Sharia Zone
Heather M. says
The local muslems had started a political party in Nova Scotia but pulled the web site this year .Is this to get people to move out and get no go zones like they do everyplace they takeover.
This is a stand people have to take otherwise they will believe they can do anything they will to anyone they want to. Lessons learned watching them /17000 today are suing the Germans that took them in ..The same is starting to happen here and so far they have got millions from the liberals to do it.