How does he propose to bring about this “German Islam”? Will there be a new, German Qur’an shorn of the verses calling for warfare against and subjugation of unbelievers? Will Schaeuble write a biography of Muhammad that rivals Karen Armstrong’s in whitewashing the old warlord? If he isn’t going to challenge the Qur’an or Muhammad, and of course he isn’t, how does he think this “German Islam” will come about?
“Despite the rising number of xenophobic attacks in Germany, Schaeuble said he believed the majority of Germans would say: ‘Yes, we want you to belong to us.'”
That’s probably true. There’s just one problem: what about those Muslim migrants who don’t want to “belong” to non-Muslim, secular Germany, but want instead to conquer and Islamize it?
“Germany’s finance minister presses for a ‘German Islam,'” by Caroline Copley, Reuters, October 2, 2016:
A veteran ally of Angela Merkel urged Muslims in Germany on Sunday to develop a “German Islam” based on liberalism and tolerance, saying the influx of people seeking refuge, many of them Muslims, is a challenge for mainstream society.
Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, stepping out of his usual finance remit, urged tolerance, saying the arrival of hundreds of thousands of migrants required a better understanding among Germans of what is important to them and how they want to live.
Almost 1 million migrants from the Middle East and Africa, came to Germany last year, stoking social tensions and boosting support for the right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, which has said Islam is not compatible with the constitution.
The arrival of large numbers of refugees has strained communities and led to a rise in far-right violence and attacks on migrant shelters, particularly in eastern Germany.
Schaeuble, a stalwart of Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU), said: “Without a doubt, the growing number of Muslims in our country today is a challenge for the open-mindedness of mainstream society.”
In a guest article for conservative paper Welt am Sonntag, he added: “The origin of the majority of refugees means that we will be increasingly dealing with people from quite different cultural circles than previously.”
Schaeuble, 74, is seen as possible CDU candidate for Chancellor should Merkel not seek re-election next year.
He acknowledged that sexual attacks by migrants in Cologne and two attacks by migrants claimed by the Islamic State militant group over the summer had soured the mood.
“We should not, in this more tense situation, allow an atmosphere to emerge in which well-integrated people in Germany feel alien,” he said.
Despite the rising number of xenophobic attacks in Germany, Schaeuble said he believed the majority of Germans would say: “Yes, we want you to belong to us.”
The migrant crisis and the integration of the large number of refugees has raised question marks over Merkel’s re-election prospects….

RCCA says
That would be interesting if German Muslims managed to pull off a Reformed Islam. Germany is where both Christianity and Judaism were reformed. Not sure why Germans could do what no one else had, but they did.
ElderlyZionist says
That would be a good thing. If possible.
john spielman says
It is NOT possible because the German reformers esp Martin Luther, used the Bible especially- the New Testament, to end the Catholic church’s false doctrine (such as selling indulgences or get out of purgatory-which itself does not exist according to the Bible- free card.
There was no renunciation of the Bible.
Since islamic terrorists are actually practicing pure islam like muhammed did such reform would require a renunciation of the qur’an and hadiths of muhammed- something that any practicing muslim would refuse!
the only way is to destroy the theology of islam by openly telling the entire world about evil /psychopathic muhammed who was a liar and mass murderer thief and pedophile false prophet and allah is Satan of the Bible!
The Other Jim says
Mr. Spielman is quite correct. There is no way to reform Islam as it already has been reformed. I’ll try to explain very briefly.
The initial problem that Muslims consider Mohammed the “Perfect Man” (Al-Insan al-Kamil). However, any good, honest person knows that “Perfect Men” don’t rape 9 year old little girls like Aisha as Mohammed did to her. That’s just the beginning of the problem of considering Mohammed the “Perfect Man” as he went around the Arabian Peninsula lying, stealing, cheating, enslaving, raping, murdering, assassinating, and massacring his way across the Arabian Peninsula. “Perfect Men don’t do any of those deeds, unless you radically redefine goodness, decency and morality to allow those evil deeds to be considered those committed by a “Perfect Man”
However, the real problem when it comes to Islam is that Islam has already seen its version of the Protestant Reformation in the form of Saudi Wahabiism. Yes, the Saudi’s are the Protestants of Islam. Remember, that early Protestants embrace the theological doctrine of ‘Solo Scriptura’ which emphasized the importance of the Bible, not subsequent theologians and Popes. In Islam, the Wahabists of Saudi Arabia embraced a similar principle placing the importance and authenticity of the Quran based upon the 1st three generations of Muslims, including Mohammed’s generation. So, the Saudi’s are in effect the Protestants of Islam. I’ll go one step further and compare the Deobandi’s of Pakistan to the Church of England.
And that, very briefly is why there never will be a “Reformation” within Islam, because it is already happened. I can go on further if you need more evidence of my argument.
Islam is fundamentally flawed and evil, if not Satanic.
Cunamarra says
Takfiri anyone?
This would only be a cause more “sectarian violence.”
An Islam based on Liberalism and Tolerance would not be Islam. From an Islamic premise those who would “innovate” such an Islam would correctly be fought and killed for such blasphemies against a deity who was a liar and murderer from the very beginning of Islam and who glories in death and destruction.
Although I must say, it is an appealing deception for the willfully gullible. Where would Islam be without deception? Well it would not be Islam. It would be something else if you could remove something that is such an integral part of it. It would be another innovation.
gravenimage says
All true, john spielman and The Other Jim.
We are not going to see a kinder, gentler Islam.
Guy Macher says
Thank you. Mr Spielman. This post should go viral.
RCCA says
I’m no expert on Martin Luther, but in addition to rebelling against the indulgences and corruption of the Catholic church, didn’t he argue that the Catholic church was not the only legitimate source of interpretation?
I understand that Islam has been codified for a long time but there is no reason why that can not be challenged, is there?
Regarding the concept of Mohammed as the model of the “perfect man” for Muslims, that would be another obvious place to begin a reformation. Not everything about him deserves to be copied. The patriarchs and prophets of the Old Testament are venerated by Jews and others, but are not described or seen as perfect human beings, nor are they considered models to be emulated.
mortimer says
RCCA wrote: “…there is no reason why that can not be challenged, is there?”
Yes, Sharia law and libraries filled with fatwas will keep Islam from being challenged SUCCESSFULLY. Those who try will be dead.
Moreover, without infallibility, Islam falls apart. THE MULLAHS IN CONSENSUS ARE INFALLIBLE.
The Ahmadis are as close to a ‘reformation’ as there is. They had to have a REINCARNATED Mohammed to accomplish a partial liberalization of Islam. Ahmadis are SOMEWHAT pacifist, but they will fight against us if the Sunnis take up arms!
The Other Jim says
RCCA wrote, “I understand that Islam has been codified for a long time but there is no reason why that can not be challenged, is there?”
Unfortunately, there is NO way to challenge Islam for many reasons on several levels.
Firstly, while the Bible is considered by a overwhelming majority of Christians to be the inspired ‘Word of God’. As the ‘inspired’ or indirect, interpretation that allows for some limited interpretation among Christians. By contrast, the Quran is considered by the majority of Muslims at all levels, especially by clerics, jurisprudence, and all scholars to be the literal word of Allah and thus perfect as is. Complicating this further is that Mohammed, an illiterate, paedophile warlord wrote down the literal word of Allah making the Quran the perfect literal word of Allah. Even worse, Mohammed is considered the ”Perfect Man”(Al-Insan al-Kamil) which requires that to be dutiful, proper Muslim one must accept that Mohammed was ”Perfect” and imitate him.
The problem with considering Mohammed the ”Perfect Man” is that perfect men don’t rape 9 year old girls like Mohammed did to 9 year old Aisha. Nor do they execute ”Adulterous Women” as Mohammed did in Saheh Muslim 4206(unlike some guy named Jesus Christ who spare the life of the ”adulterous woman” in John 8). Nor do ”Perfect Men” massacre entire tribes of Jews, enslave the surviving women and children, and execute any boy who achieved puberty by looking to see in they had grown pubic hair. Yes, Mohammed really did that and much more including having slaves, raping his Black female slave, describing paradise as some paedophile paradise with beautiful young boys serving Muslim men, and lots of other sorts of evil.
So, it’s clear that there is no way to view Mohammed as the ”Perfect Man” unless one radically redefine and morally twist what ‘Perfect’ is, so to allow all of the cruelty, hatred, and violence committed by Mohammed to be considered ”Perfect”. Jesus Christ committed no evil acts on any level and the most violent he became was throwing the moneylenders out of the temple. That’s a huge, tremendous difference between Jesus and Mohammed.
That’s just the beginning of the problems preventing any sort of reformation of Islam.
Doctrinally, you’re going to face problems like all Islamic scholars for the past 1400+ years determining that the crueler, more violent verses of the Quran are authentic to the non-violent ones, thus making the crueler, more violent verses more superior best described in the Islamic doctrine of ‘Nasiqh'(spelling is often different. ‘Nasiqh’ is the Islamic doctrine of ‘Abrogation’ whereby Muslim clerics and scholars for the past 1400 years have determined that the more cruel and violent the verses of the Quran, the more authentic they are which makes them superior to all of the other less or non-violent verses.
The next problem is that any change within Islam will have to be approved by the schools of Islam. For Sunni’s that will fall to the four schools of Islamic jurisprudence which will not, on any level tolerate Mohammed to be viewed as anything but the ”Perfect Man” and the Quran as the literal word of ”Allah”. Ditto for Shia Islam as well.
So, what any reform minded Muslim will face is that the majority of Muslims, their theological institutions, et al. all consider the Quran as ”perfect” and its appointed figure declaring all of this as the ”Perfect Man”. Thus, there is no way to change these views, at all, in any way, shape or form. That will allow every Islamic scholar to issue death sentences for any Muslim who tries to declare a change to the Quran.
At it’s fundamental level, that Muslim trying to change Islam will have to declare that he was sent these changes directly by Allah, thus making that Muslim a ”Perfect Man” sent by Allah. That’s just not going to be approved by any Muslim cleric and will in fact cause all Muslim clerics and schools of Islamic jurisprudence to declare that reform minded Muslim as an apostate and perverted of Islam who must be killed by all Muslims.
So as you can see, there’s just no way to reform Islam on any level. It’s not just that a Muslim could try to reform Islam, the fundamental problem is that you can’t create anything resembling a moral code with in Islam without rejecting what Allah declared and the evil deeds that Mohammed did. There’s just no way to reform Islam, forwards or backwards. Islam is fundamentally evil and there is no way to change this.
Now, as Mortimer referenced, the Ahmadi’s are a relatively recent interpretation of Islam. In Pakistan where the Ahmadi’s came from, the reaction from the Pakistani government was to outlaw their practices by prison terms or death. Here’s the Pakistani law expressing that contempt of the Ahamdi’s;
“Ordinance XX:
298-B. Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places:
(1) Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation- (a) refers to or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as “Ameer-ul-Mumineen”, “Khalifatul- Mumineen”, Khalifa-tul-Muslimeen”, “Sahaabi” or “Razi Allah Anho”; (b) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as “Ummul-Mumineen”; (c) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family “Ahle-bait” of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as “Ahle-bait”; or (d) refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship a “Masjid”; shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine. (2) Any person of the Qadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves “Ahmadis” or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as “Azan”, or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.
298-C. Person of Qadiani group, etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith:
Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.”
It’s essential to note that the Ahmadi’s did NOT reject the cruelty and violence of Mohammed, merely requiring a higher justification for violence as well as declaring their leader, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was the final prophet.
So, as much as you would like to hope for some sort of Protestant Reformation for Islam, there is just no way, at all, ever, in any conceivable way. It’s impossible. It’s impossible because you can’t separate the evil deeds of Mohammed from the few times he did something not cruel. You can’t reform Islam because historically and currently, every Islamic school, jurisprudence, and every Islamic scholar will affirm the hatred, cruelty, and violence of Mohammed as divine and perfect.
There is only one choice. To convert Muslims from Islam to another faith, ideally Christianity although Muslims converting en masse to Buddhism would be a huge improvement as well. The bottom line is that there are only two choices for Muslims; that Muslims accept Islam and Mohammed’s evil as perfection or rejecting Islam and Mohammed for another faith which will make them potential targets by the majority of Muslims.
This is the evil we all have to face from Islam.
eduardo odraude says
Reform in Christianity meant a return to the Bible. That’s why it was possible. Reform in Islam has already happened — that is, a return to the Qur’an, canonical Hadith, and earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad — that reform is known as Wahabism, and it is practiced in Saudi Arabia.
Wake up people!
gravenimage says
RCCA wrote:
I understand that Islam has been codified for a long time but there is no reason why that can not be challenged, is there?
……………………..
RCCA, the “gates of Itijihad”–the possibility of reinterpretation of Islam–have been declared closed for centuries. But even if they were not, no interpretation of the Qur’an, Hadith, and life of the “Prophet” can plausibly be peaceful.
And why should pious Muslims listen to the challenges of the “filthy Infidels”, in any case?
There are many ways to fight the threat of Jihad–I do not believe that our attempting to reform Islam is one of them.
Shane says
Islam is a religion of war, rape, pillaging, pedophila, and intolerance and it cannot be reformed as the Warlord Mo is said to be the perfect example for muzzies to follow. Mo was a bandit, murderer, rapist, pedophile, liar, misogynist and a slave trader.
mortimer says
Recipe for REFORMED ISLAM: just take away 548,190 words (or 51%) from all the Islamic source texts and VOILA! You have a non-violent Islam.
J-pal says
…an interesting idea…but, the rest (49%) is still not the Truth…
Will a “reform” of something fundamentally wrong ever bring our something similar to the “truth”? The case now is exactly this – “…it looks similar…”, but is not the Truth. I think it is better having the so-called islam as it is – it is easier to detect.
I also think the Germans have a big problem here – I hope they can find someone younger and still fitting such a job as a party leader… if not, they will never be able to solve a problem even Martin Luther in his days complained about! Martin complained about the Turks…there has not been any visible change since Martin’s days!
Keep the steam, mortimer, I like your comments!!!
eduardo odraude says
For anyone who wants more detail, here is where Mortimer got the 51% figure — at a cite for the statistical study of Islam.
LINK: http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/TrilogyStats/AmtTxtDevotedKafir.html
The cite is run by a guy with a Ph.D. in physics, Bill Warner.
Polk1970 says
LOOK at that Face
THIS guy looks like he should be in The Palace of Justice in Nuremberg as a Defendent in The Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal after WW II.
All he’s missing is a Monacle
Dom107 says
Why reform a false toxic belief to a false non-toxic belief ???
People need to believe the evidence of their senses,technology and brain not some old medieval concoction
The world has great science advanced by continually improving technology we don’t need this crap anymore.The coming James Webb Infrared Telescope will enable us to observe the very early Universe!
Fundamentalist Islam has held the Muslim World back by hundreds of years.They need to modernize their psychology not just water it down !
Jack Diamond says
Not only are the gates of Ijtihad closed and innovation is considered a crime, even if they were thrown wide open to reinterpret Islamic Law, (an admission Islam is not complete and perfect, which is heresy), it would still have no impact on doctrines like Jihad. Jihad is fixed in Islamic law. It is called a Right of Allah, meaning it is an obligation communicated from Allah down to mankind, the kind of obligation, hukm shari, which no man can override. It is not a matter for reinterpreting, nor is their any misunderstanding of what it entails, it is an obligation until the entire earth is claimed for Islam.
Easier way for Muslims to reform Islam, leave it.
Easier way for infidels to reform Islam, tell Muslims how they are to behave and not tolerate anything else.
John Stefan says
When Jesus returns, all will finally be well. But meanwhile, while we wait for Him, His people are suffering greatly at the hands of the devil, the head of Islam, and also while we wait for Him He would like us to tell the Islamists the saving Gospel message through which means God renews and converts people unto Himself. But I myself am failing miserably in that regard. God bless us with courage to speak to them about Christ and then also may God bless us with the courage to bear the consequences that we may have to bear if we do try to tell them about their Saviour Jesus. The only way for an Islamist to be reformed is to become a believer in Jesus, God and Saviour. Otherwise, they’re lost.
Emilie Green says
This clown wants them “to develop a “‘German Islam.'” This guy passes for what is called a leader. Giggles.
You mean, mein Herr, where Muslims substitute gas chambers and ovens for the Quran-mandated beheadings?
This dummkopf doesn’t realize that the Quran is the actual, no-doubt-about-it words of the Muslims’ god, their Allah, and because of that, not one word of it can be changed. Not a word.
As to reinterpretations, that too is a no go. The Gates of Ijtihad closed closed centuries ago.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3114/muslims-ijtihad
JawsV says
No fool like an old fool.
vlparker says
You can’t fix stupid.
Hindu American says
Minister Schaeuble is proposing to open up a Pandora’s box that will certainly lead Europe down the path to social and political suicide.
Polk1970 says
He will FLEE to Argentina like his Nazi War Criminal Forefathers
Westman says
I don’t see it as anything short of a cynical test spin to see if there is room for Schaeuble to wedge himself into consideration for the Chancellorship without directly opposing Merkel nor placing a band-aid upon the, over-extended, inherited, collective guilt that forms such a useful political handle.
He obviously knows little about Islamic Ideology and is quite sure that neither do most Germans
Westman says
Correction: Schäuble replaces Schaeuble.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Old and senile. Sitting in his ministerial office and having read nothing about Mohammad, the Quran or any of the other texts that show what a savage barbaric religion Islam is. I like to tell him where to go.
Stendec says
Herr Schaeuble: There is already a “German Islam.” It is called Nazism. Like its German version, Islam comes complete with fanatical Jew hatred, master race supremacism, slavery for the non-Muslim masses, and world-conquering totalitarian political ambitions. Wake up, Mr. German Dumkopf, and save your country before it is too late. Or maybe you are really sympathetic, and “on the payroll” of some fascist Saudi sheikh. Maybe you are really another fascist snake pretending to be “liberal.”
JawsV says
Dummkopf is right.
nicu says
Very true – too bad that he survived and sits in a wheel – chair ” only ” ….
Today is our National day and nobody feels like celebrating 26 years after the re – union : merkel was booed out – and East German people said it’s like GDR but with hostile Muslims !
vlparker says
+1
Polk1970 says
He bears a striking resemblance to Nazi War Criminals on Trial at Nuremberg.
Look at his face,and a Nazi looks back at you.
August West says
Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble wants a German Islam?
No problem.
The Minister should simply go into a cave someplace in Germany, and have the Angel Gabriel recite the immutable and eternal word of Allah into his ear. In doing this he can make special requests for making it more German. Which I am sure Gabriel will accommodate.
Once he gets this recitation he can Hijrah from Berlin to Hamburg. After the Hijrah he should simply conquer any and all followers of the non Germanic Islam.
Please let us know how this works out. I am rooting for you.
gravenimage says
He would be immediately assassinated by orthodox Muslims for proclaiming himself a “prophet” after Muhammed.
August West says
If the new Germanic Islam is to be successful he will have declare the Sunni, Shia etc to be apostates and he will need to conquer them.
I just noticed that this guy is a finance minister. I wonder if he realizes that interest is not Islamic? Perhaps he does and this explains the fact that interest rates in Germany are zero?
Perhaps that is the New Germanic Sharia Finance?
Maybe he can clear up this issue of Islamic Interest with the Angel Gabriel while he is in the cave being recited to.
On that note, I recall Wagner’s “The Ring” had a cave in it. Perhaps he can use that cave and declare it to be Germanic Islam holy site/mosque. That way the Germanic Muslims will know which way to pray.
Hey here is an idea, rather than making Germanic Islam “Abrahamic” (whatever that means) perhaps he can leverage the tradition of Wagner and the The Ring and make it Nordic?
Viking Muslims against Abrahamic Muslims?
Ill bet on the Vikings anyday.
miriamrove says
And what is he smoking? m
mccode says
WTF is wrong with the people in charge?
JawsV says
I wonder the same thing every day.
Damocles Junior says
I think there has to be a common factor in all the apologetics to and for Islam at the highest levels and this can only be Middle East oil money. I am certain the investments are in the trillions and work each way. This is in addition to the obvious financing of Hillary and the Democratic party by Saudi money. As to the German Finance minister Minister, a man in his position has to be involved in all of this at an official and possibly a personal level.
Do the German people want Muslims, I think the answer is a big no. A German version of Islam? The Finance minister has to be dreaming and everyone else will be thinking; “The Sword of Islam is about to embrace Nazism”.
Surely most wealthy nations can handle their 2 way investment with the Middle East without compromising their national ideals and beliefs or getting involved with a very questionable and historically violent religion that should be contained in it’s place of origin and that is the Middle East. We do not need to import the Islamic hordes.
I also notice in today’s news Hungary is standing very firm on it’s refusal to take in Islamic Migrants, a very sensible decision which should be their right to make.
gravenimage says
I don’t believe this is all about money in most cases–in that case, how do you explain the ordinary people out with “Refugees Welcome” signs? This is more about “political correctness” than anything–all too many Germans–and Westerners in general–want to be good people who welcome refugees, and desperately don’t want to think that Muslims could possibly be any different.
Mark Swan says
That is so true, thank you gravenimage
gravenimage says
Thanks, Mark.
Veka Fitzfrancis says
I’ve spent time in Germany in the university system. It’s an entire system of white/Nazi guilty that’s taught to the children from grade school all the way to the University. These are a people who have been conditioned to believe they owe the rest of the world to prove they aren’t racists. Sadly, Germany is going to go the way of Sweden.
WhatsUpDoc says
Who is going to be the new Prophet of ” German Islam ” Islam. I would love to see a ” German Quran”.
Don McKellar says
This old fart’s brain is literally rotting inside his skull.
Johan elzinga says
lfgang Schauble is a finance minister. He does not have any role in the immigration issue because that’s a different minister. Also, Schauble poses a nasty threat on democracy in Europe, as he persistantly claims that the member states should no longer have any say about the way europe can claim money from them. Thus allowing the european commission to overrule any of the parliaments of any of the member states. That is a good reason to get the hell out of the Euro and perhaps out of Europe for any of the member states. Wiith the failing bank of Germany, although Germany decided that European money should not be used to save failing banks, it will be interesting to see what he will happen next. I foresee the complete disintegration of Europe and perhaps a burgerkrieg in Germany if people like Schauble are not pushed aside by their own constituencies.
Jack Diamond says
and why do they need a “German Islam” based on liberalism and tolerance, unless both are absent from the not-German Islam? In which case he is admitting it is Islam and the Muslims who adhere to it who are the problem. Nicht war? But expect no mea culpa, somehow it is the Germans who need to be more understanding and not make “well-integrated people” (?) feel alien. A million more, danke.
Wolfgang Schaeuble, not just a pretty face.
gravenimage says
Excellent questions, Jack.
Boston Tea Party says
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, Jack. This points to the sinister nature of the elites in charge IMO–they say that mainstream Islam is moderate, but they really don’t even believe that themselves. It’s a form of cognitive dissonance, or doublethink, I guess, and I’ve found the same thing when debating the subject with avowed multiculturalists: they simultaneously state that Islam is in no unique need of reform, and also that they fully support Islamic reformers–and don’t ever acknowledge the inherent logical contradiction.
Mark Swan says
These moderate Muslims seem to exist, so We observe this,
do We feel anyone who can read and has read the Quran
and is ok with it, can be something other than Muslim.
Do We expect anyone who is not a Muslim, but has read the
Quran, to understand, how someone who knows what is in the
Quran, can keep Saying they are Muslim.
In this age of Islam spreading aggressively, are we going to hope
moderate Muslims, can water down the very essence of Islam which
is about control plane and simple…are we to think the big players
in this are naive and vulnerable, or maybe ok with this—what.
They have been building-up to this time for many decades…they can
work any system better than its originators, they are very effective.
This is a supremacist Ideology…do We expect them to accept equality.
All their ingenuous determined efforts are very real and very wide-spread.
Do We feel these Muslim folks just need a clear view of
the good life, and when they realize how wonderful a good life
Is, these beliefs, based on the Quran will just go away.
The rest of this world cannot be on hold…how long do We have to give Them to make this reformation, after many centuries of the same belief of hate.
Should the words good and Muslim be used together…read the Quran.
Do these exist…if so, let them cast off this hate group membership.
Let them join the free World and help…that is what they could do.
Many beliefs are part of humanity…yet humanity can not accept the Quran.
Whom then do we liken the Muslim Brotherhood to be.
Many have considered them Moderate Muslims.
They are not.
Recall, from the Muslim Brotherhood Explanatory Memorandum:
“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”
Mark A says
Good points.
Mark Swan says
Thank You Mark A, it is a re-post, yet very relevant here, and will probably appear again,
I feel these points need to be read by the broadest group possible, this is the heart of the
greatest threat posed by Islam, its stealth subversive insurgency—we are under attack.
Walter Sieruk says
The finance minster of Germany needs to have a reality check is his far-fetched fantasy of a “German Islam” For the only real Islam is Koranic based Islam. Which contains many brutal and deadly evils along the many total bizarre doctrinal falsehoods. An example of brutal and deadly evils in the Koranic instruction for Muslim to engage in violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As found in Islamic “holy book” in Sura 2:191. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. Likewise,an example of Islam’s bizarre doctrinal falsehood is the absurd teaching for Islam’s supreme religious book is that of a paradise with many houris in it for the Muslim male who dies fighting in the jihad for the cause of Islam as a “martyr.” As found in Sura 44:54. 55:56. 78:31. So this finance minister of Germany is in need of a wake up call about his day-dream of a “German Islam.”
Lucretius says
The long peace, and their faith that the “End of History” has been reached in the democratic-bureaucratic , capitalist welfare state, toward which all the rest of mankind is destined to ‘modernize’ has softened and feminized their minds. All the fundamental problems and alternatives have been abolished by History. There is nothing great left to do and thinking is pointless. We “westerners” can just coast. If we’re just not rude to the ‘backward’ late-comers, all will go down nicely, with a few rough bumps here and there.
All this decadence will soon be swept into oblivion.
underbed cat says
Too bad Germany didn’t know the facts about intention, and what really tolerance and justice means to the refugee audience before the massive migration began…..only westerners think all words mean the same in different cultures. This is how un-examined doctrine causes danger, when the doors that say diversity, open, and respect for religion can pass thru the membrane when the doctrine has words that mean to slay, slaughter are not seen or believed.
Richard Paulsen says
Better Wolfgang Schaeuble, Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel and their colleagues change their point of views. Considering all they have destroyed for Germany and others.
desidude2 says
Where have we heard this line of false reasoning before? what happened to the people of various nations who had muslim invaders come in and the people of that time said, “these muslim will practice the tolerant and peaceful egyptian version of islam, or these muslim will practice the afghanistani version of islam , or the indian version of islam”, and so on. all the reformers and reformed islam are banned and called hypocritical by the muslim. The muslim can not change one word of the koran to reform it.
gravenimage says
Germany’s finance minister calls for a “German Islam” based on liberalism and tolerance
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Well, there’s never been a “German Islam”–or a “British Islam”, or a “French Islam”, or an “American Islam”–what will change to make that possible now?
And yes–I’m sure it’s true that most Germans want Muslims there to be part of their society. But the fact is that Muslims there want Germans–and every other Infidels–to become part of *their* ‘society’, living under Shari’ah either as converts or as subservient, abused dhimmis.
Wolfgang Schaeuble appears to weakly grasp that there is some sort of problem with Muslims–but I very much doubt that he understands this.
Mark Swan says
I agree, and to go further, I would say, He knows the problem is Muslims, yet will not, or
can not say it plain and simple, that Muslims may appear complacent even, but are still
Muslims, with all that portends.
Sheykh Yer Weeni says
The Infidel Imam says, this is pure pipe dreaming. This German illiteratus is eminently ignorant. I am somewhat surprised to find that even the bold and intelligent Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her otherwise excellent memoire, “Infidel”, also says that with the Internet, perhaps Islam will “leapfrog the enlightenment”, as Japan has done. Coming from inside of Islam, she really should know better
Islam is bound to ancient and evil traditions, in a way that Christianity never was. The main problem with Christianity was the medieval Church-State adultery. When that was broken by Martin Luther in the 16th century, and replaced with reason and human rights during the 17th-18th centuries, Liberty finally flourished.
However, the Reformation encouraged people to rely on “sola scriptura”, the Bible only, and still to be Christians. It simply defined Christian as, well, a disciple of Christ (see Acts 11.26). Christians were never defined as those who follow Moses (or all those warlike passages are in the Old Testament), but rather the example of Jesus and his apostles.
For Muslims to do this, they would have to scrap the entire Qur’an and also Muhammad’s life, and go by…what? To whom? Islam without the Qur’an or Muhammad would be like Christianity without the Bible or Jesus. Therefore, unfortunately, I sincerely doubt any future reformation in Islam. What is really scary, in fact, is that ISIS and these other “radical” groups, who seek to live as Muhammad did, are actually the Islamic reformation.
Richard Paulsen says
Obviously decisionmakers last decades had no idea of what islam is and did not understand the consequences for their countries allowing in islam.
John Stefan says
Exactly Richard! The Democrats had no idea who Obama was and the decision makers still do not understand what Islam is nor what the consequences are for the U.S. in allowing the Islamists into the country. God have mercy on us.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
That’s what we need!
Islam for Merkel and Germany …
Mirren10 says
Nazi jokes aren’t funny.
Champ says
“Nazi jokes aren’t funny.”
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Indeed, Mirren10, they are NOT!
desidude2 says
this from the Mel brooks movie. it was meant to disgust and horrify the audience and make them hate the play, but instead they laughed at this and made the play a hit.
desidude2 says
to appreciate this you have to watch the full movie, I recommend the newer 2005 version made by Mel Brooks.
gravenimage says
Dear Mirren and Champ, Mel Brooks was *anti-Nazi*. This was never intended to make light of Fascism–just to lampoon it.
Mirren10 says
Sorry, I still don’t think it’s funny.
Champ says
“Sorry, I still don’t think it’s funny.”
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With respect, Graven, I’m with Mirren10 on this one.
Wellington says
And to boot, gravenimage, Mel Brooks is Jewish. I would argue that Brooks completely comprehended that making fun of evil is the next best thing to crushing it.
When I played this very segment from The Producers for an Israeli-American friend of mine about ten years ago, he insisted that I play it again several more times. He took great delight in it each time I can assure you and all.
It’s a brilliant satire. Of the first order. Indeed, the entire film is.
ElderlyZionist says
Actually, currently, Mel Brooks is Catholic. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Just minding the facts. He was Jewish.
There have always been some who found Mel’s comedy offensive. He pushed the limits. Never did anything I couldn’t handle, though he sometimes left me gaping:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Mel+Brooks+break-dancing+Hitler&view=detail&mid=AF21A6D8E83D85DB082FAF21A6D8E83D85DB082F&FORM=VIRE
Wellington says
I believe, ElderlyZionist, that it was Mel Brooks’ late wife, Anne Bancroft, who was the Catholic, not Brooks. I read where they had their only child both baptized and bar mitzvahed as a compromise. Not certain but this is the most I know to date.
gravenimage says
Fair enough, Mirren and Champ. Best to you both.
gravenimage says
I agree, Wellington–I think evil should be soundly and regularly mocked, and this applies to Islam, as well.
Of course, I realize that this is not to everybody’s taste, and I respect that.
And yes–Mel Brooks, who is still with us at age 90, is Jewish–his beloved wife Anne Bancroft was Catholic. Here is a short piece touching on their marriage:
http://www.interfaithfamily.com/arts_and_entertainment/popular_culture/Interfaith_Celebrities_Mel_Brooks_Honored_at_Kennedy_Center.shtml
Champ says
Thank you, dear Graven …best to you, too! 🙂
Mark Swan says
“My late wife Anne [Bancroft] was Catholic, and we always had both Hanukkah and a wonderful Christmas tree,” Brooks told Buzzfeed. “I always thought it would be bad to deny a kid either … I think it’s wonderful that you can do both, especially if it’s a mixed family, or if it’s a Jewish family that just wants to enjoy this lovely, festive holiday.”
gravenimage says
How different this is from Islam, Mark.
Mark Swan says
gravenimage—You said it all, right there.
eduardo odraude says
Nazi jokes are not funny?
What about Chaplin’s The Great Dictator?
Making fun of the devil is one of the things that bothers him most, because it destroys his reputation and makes him a laughing stock.
Mirren10 says
I’m all for making fun of the devil.
However, I don’t personally think ‘Spring time for Hitler’ is doing that. It seems to me to be very glamourised, what with handsome young stormtroopers, glamorous blondes, pretty music, et al.
The Great Dictator didn’t *glamourise* Hitler, but righteously took the piss, as did the cartoon, ”In der Fuhrer’s face”, from the 2nd World war. Now, *that* was funny !
Mirren10 says
Sorry, meant to post this with my comment.
Mirren10 says
When we’ve finally beaten and marginalised islam, so that it is a discredited and shameful creed, no doubt there will still be some libtards rewriting Noel Coward’s famous ditty into; ”Don’t let’s be beastly to the muslims.”
Wellington says
I agree with you on most everything, Mirren, but not here. The so-called glamour you cited was quite deliberate by Brooks, so that it functioned as caricature of the Master Race. Have you seen the film in its entirety? I think only then can a true judgment be made. My Israeli-American friend relished the film and he had relatives who perished in the Holocaust. For the record, I think Brooks’ masterpiece is not The Producers or Blazing Saddles but Young Frankenstein. Along with Kind Hearts and Coronets and Some Like It Hot, it’s one of my three favorite comic films of all time.
Hope you are doing well. Not back to the fight, eh?
Wellington says
That’s “Now back to the fight, eh?”
Mirren10 says
Hi, Wellington, hope you’re doing well.
Well, my American mate, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. How boring it would be if we all agreed on every single little thing !
”I think Brooks’ masterpiece is not The Producers or Blazing Saddles but Young Frankenstein. Along with Kind Hearts and Coronets and Some Like It Hot … ”
I watched Young Frankenstein just the other week, I agree, hilarious, also Kind Hearts and Coronets, with the inimitable Alec Guinness. 🙂
“Now back to the fight, eh?” Indeed. Lan Astaslem !
DFD says
To Wellington:
You wrote: “….For the record, I think Brooks’ masterpiece is not The Producers or Blazing Saddles but Young Frankenstein….”
Absolutely! Nice to know that we are in such agreement.
Wellington says
To both Mirren and DFD, good to hear from you both. Glad you guys are on the same side with me. I’d hate to have either of you as an opponent. It would be rough because you are both quite formidable.
Best to the two of you. Now, what else can I say bad about Islam because where Islam is concerned it is virtually inexhaustible all the negatives that can be levelled against this most errant belief system. Actually no contest here.
John Thomas says
One of the great films! Mostel & Wilder at their best!
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
“Nazi jokes aren’t funny.” Yes, National Socialists must not be made the butt of jokes. Nor must Orthodox Muslims. Here’s a too-long, too-philosophical, too-theological talk on the same subject:
http://www.breitbart.com/podcasts/milo/
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Thanks, Elderly Zion, for the Mel Brooks “To Be or Not to Be” rap. Here are the lyrics:
http://www.metrolyrics.com/to-be-or-not-to-be-the-hitler-rap-lyrics-mel-brooks.html
The Osama bin Laden version awaits its lyricist.
ElderlyZionist says
Mel Brooks served in the US Army in WWII, in Europe. He was himself a Jewish Liberator. He met actual Nazis in person, saw their handiwork himself, helped to defeat them. Perhaps, when Brooks mocked and ridiculed Nazis in his films, he was facing down some of his own demons. In any case, I think he had earned the right to freely express himself on the subject.
eduardo odraude says
Why should there be any need for us to be defending people who ridicule Nazis!? Ridiculing Nazis — why isn’t that one of the best things one could do during World War II? Perhaps those complaining about “Nazi jokes” have lost the distinction between “laughing at” and “laughing with”? Mel Brooks was obviously “laughing at” and getting others to do the same.
Mark Swan says
I admire Mr. Brooks, He has helped so many know the value of laughter. One of
my favorite Humans. he has done more for the Human Psyche than any medicine.
Wellington says
Not sure why the West in our time produced so many fools who have reached positions of power in the political realm (as here with this German turkey), the media and academia———but it did. Reasonable minds can differ as to the causes, but that it is a reality that the West overwhelmingly is now led by fools aplenty simply is not a matter of debate anymore——–except for the ignorant and, of course, all the fools out there.
eduardo odraude says
Seems the costs are incredibly high. Who wants to live the life of Geert Wilders — no privacy, 24-hour life in high security situations — he’s had to live in jail in order to protect him from Islamic fanatics. The political leaders who see what Islam is also are usually bright enough to see what would happen to them if they spoke up — they’d either lose their job, or keep it and have to live forever with bodyguards. The rewards of speaking are invisible and often seem uncertain, while the costs can be everything. That is also why most Islam-critics remain anonymous. The leaders arguably “are us.” The ones who see rarely speak, so that blind fools like the German finance minister have little chance of waking up.
Wellington says
Thanks for your reply, eduardo. I would argue that the fact that the costs are incredibly high (as you correctly noted) when someone like Geert Wilders opposes the fascist designs of the Islamic faith is itself dispositive of how wayward the West has gone in recent decades.
Were the West still, speaking in the aggregate, possessed of its senses and possessed of resolution, the cost would not be high. But it is and this speaks volumes in and of itself.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely “Volumes”.
mohamonator says
With apologies to The Who, “Meet the new Islam, Same as the old Islam”, Won’t get fooled again.
Jack Diamond says
Agreed, though The Who should also have to apologize for pretending to still be The Who.
eduardo odraude says
Who’s on first.
Which reminds me of the book titled What Is the Name of this Book? It was written by a funny philosopher whose name I don’t recall at the moment. Clearly the title was intended to create a scene like this at the bookstore:
customer: Excuse me, I”m looking for, uh, What is the Name of this Book?
bookstore worker: Um, sorry, I’m not sure which book you are thinking of, we have hundreds of books here…
customer: No, no, no, I mean, the book’s name is, uh, What is the Name of this Book!!
bookstore worker: I’m sorry sir! I simply have no idea what book you are looking for. Do you have even part of the title? Maybe I could…
customer: No! I’m saying that’s the name. It”s called What is the name of this book, dammit!!!
bookstore worker: please sir, stay calm. If you don’t know the title, can you at least tell me what kind of book it is? Is it fiction?
customer: No!!! No!!! No!!!! I know the title!!
bookstore worker: Of course you do, sir. Um, is there a phone number I can call to speak to your, uh, caretaker, someone who, say, we could call and maybe they could help you remember the title? (whispers to another store clerk: “call the sheriff and tell him we might have a little problem”
etc.
Jack Diamond says
Raymond Smullyan? He also wrote “To Mock a Mockingbird.”
Champ says
Hey I call for “NO islam” …and worldwide, too!
He even looks *defeated* in the photo. What a wimpy coward.
mortimer says
GERMAN ISLAM? You mean like GERMAN CHRISTIANITY tried by a famous dictator?
So how do make Islam … er … less like ISLAM?
How about removing the hatred of KAFIRS and removing the JIHAD WARFARE DOCTRINE from the Islamic sources?
So the following violent and intolerant text will have to be removed:
Statistical Percent Text in Trilogy Devoted to Jihad
Total political text in Trilogy: 51% of Trilogy is political.
-hadiths 37% devoted to the kafir problem
-Koran 64% devoted to the kafir problem
-Sira 81% devoted to the kafir problem
-51% of all words in Islam devoted to the kafir problem=548,190 words
Total jihad text in Trilogy: 31%
-328,000 words in the Islamic trilogy devoted to political violence, almost all against non-Muslims
-91 times called the perfect Muslim in the Koran
-9 percent of the Koran and 31 percent of Islam’s doctrinal trilogy is about Holy War on all non-Muslims
Conclusion: just take away 548,190 words (or 51%) from all the Islamic source texts and VOILA! You have a non-violent Islam.
DFD says
mortimer says: “…GERMAN ISLAM? You mean like GERMAN CHRISTIANITY tried by a famous dictator?…”
Didn’t know that Luther was a German dictator…. Oh I forgot, there were no Germans before 1933, slipped my mind. Wonder where all those Protestants come from. Mars?
(sarc off)
Mark Swan says
There is a great story about Art Linkletter, who was a household word and widely
known when he was in his heyday as a television personality. The story goes that as Mr. Linkletter entertained at a nursing home for the elderly, with microphone in hand, he asked an elderly lady in a wheelchair, “Do you know who I am?” The lady replied, “No, I don’t, but if you will go over to the nurses’ station, one of the nice people there will tell you who you are.”
DFD says
Nice 🙂 , but obviously impossible as solution. Where could one get all those nurses from?
IQ al Rassooli says
It is becoming more and more OBVIOUS that most of the current German ELITES are so afraid of the rise of extreme nationalism, that they would rather DESTROY Germany with Muslim Invaders as a better alternative yet while pushing for this process they are literally forcing Germans to become virulent NATIONALISTS!
The next few months in Europe will be the most important politically and socially since the rise of Hitler
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Guest says
At least he is pretty clearly admitting that islam currently is neither liberal nor tolerant. So far tolerance has only been demanded from ‘infidels’. As Geert Wilders says: do not tolerate the intolerant.
His statement won’t rescue the CDU, but will help the AfD further. If even a CDU minister is admitting that millions of illiberal and intolerant people have been let into the country but the CDU, the AfD should be using this.
gravenimage says
Yes–that’s something. At least he is admitting that there is a problem with Islam as it exists.
John Thomas says
WTF?
Infidel lives matter says
“Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, stepping out of his usual finance remit, urged tolerance, saying the arrival of hundreds of thousands of migrants required a better understanding among Germans of what is important to them and how they want to live.”
Why is it the Germans who have to change their way of life in their own country?
gravenimage says
The idea that the real problem is that civilized Germans are poised to launch a new Holocaust is just calumny–and the idea that Germans look back with “pride” on the genocide of Jews is just false.
It is also false that our only choices are letting ourselves be conquered by Islam or else becoming Nazis ourselves.
The Allies did not have to become Fascists in order to beat Fascism.
gravenimage says
My above comments were in reply to a post that is now deleted. Please ignore it.
Wellington says
Forgive me, gravenimage, but I would find it exceedingly difficult to ignore anything which you might assert——–even when your response is to a deleted post. Stay well, my friend.
gravenimage says
Thanks you for your kind words, Wellington. Hope you are well also.
jewdog says
You don’t really expect this accountant to know anything about Islam, do you? He should just stick to his ledgers and shut up.
Michael Copeland says
Tolerance?
“My religion doesn’t tolerate other religions. It does not tolerate.”
Abu Bakr, Australia
“If anyone desire a religion other than Islam never will it be accepted of him”,
Koran 3:85, part of Islamic law.
Change?
“None can change his words”,
Koran 18:27, part of Islamic law
BLC says
I am not surprised that a German would say this. Back in the day, Hitler is supposed to have preferred Islam to Christianity. Unfortunately for him, Christianity made it to Germany before Islam did. He thought Christianity was too meek and that Islam was “a man’s religion”. He also thought the Arabs were “clean” people. Apparently Arabs still hold an allure to some Germans.
Champ says
Great comment, BLC …and very interesting. Thank you!
BLC says
You’re welcome. I did research Hitler’s leanings towards Islam and that’s what I found.
gravenimage says
Very true, BLC.
Angemon says
Not a “a man’s religion” but a “warrior’s religion”, one that promises paradise to those who kill and are killed. Oh, and he thought that the Arabs would die out for not being adapted to the German climate leaving the conquering of the world to the Aryan race.
BLC says
“Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too.” (quote)
Mark Swan says
This article shows Modern Islam and Fascism have associated.
http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/hitlers-legacy-islamic-antisemitism-and-the-impact-of-the-muslim-brotherhood
Kepha says
Once upon a time, I thought that were I a European, I’d be a CD. No longer.
If Herr Schaeuble is any indicator, CD’s don’t know the Christian part of their name. I don’t think he knows beans about either Martin Luther or Zacharius Ursinus (the main theologian of the Reformed type of Protestantism in Reformation-era Germany); perhaps he’s still stuck on people like Schleiermacher.
Folks, such idiocy as Schaeuble utters is the end result of the West’s secularizing itself–even inside churches and parties that call themselves “Christian”.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
It’d be easy to mock Minister Schaeuble as a deluded fool. But consider that national suicide is a team game, all of the elites must be on the pro-Moslem bandwagon. No whiners, second guessers or finger pointers. This is a key moment in the history of Europe, and for his part Schaeuble has doubled down. Doing what he did was gutsy.
gravenimage says
“We should not, in this more tense situation, allow an atmosphere to emerge in which well-integrated people in Germany feel alien,” he said.
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What “well-integrated” people in Germany feel alienated? More blaming of the Infidels for Muslims failing to be part of civilized society.
Mark A says
I think many of the Muslims in Germany already have a blueprint for a German Islam.
It’s called “Islam” and it is exactly the same as the current version of the “Islam” spelled out in the Koran and hadith and preached in mosques throughout Germany (and the rest of Europe).
BLC says
Apparently the mutual admiration society between Germans and Muslims goes way, way back. Hassan al-Banna founded the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928 in Egypt. He admired Hitler because Hitler hated the Jews.
Warren S Wyght says
How can these ‘leaders’ be so stupid? They have received the Muslim Brotherhood’s secret plan, which anti-terrorist organizations of the world called “The Plan”. They know the plan to destroy the West, to destroy all forms of Government that are not Islamic. They know Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Middle East Countries pour Millions and Billions into the plan. How can they be so stupid? I just don’t understand.
http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/muslim-brotherhood-project.html
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=4476
http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/687.pdf
They also know which nations are sponsoring terror
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9041/iran-terrorism-sponsor
Jeff says
Winston Churchill: “The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet.”
steve says
So it’s ATILLA ACH-BAR from now on eh ? There have been at least two S.S. Muslim German units. the 13th Waffen S.S. and the 21st Waffen S.S. Germans and Muslims seem to be easily led and like to slaughter non combatants.
Ali Bey says
Islam with liberalis and tolerance…good-bye Islam.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
That’s the master plan. Me, I’m not laying down any bets on the plan, but like it or not my life is being laid on the line by the liberal elites who reign over me.
jimmi says
German islam? That’s heresy. To the beheaders!!
Dustin Koellhoffer says
and the Nazis rise again.
eur says
The political class and citizens in the West is not aware of the danger posed by Islam .The Muslims (all of them) truly believe that we have abandoned the religion, that is the proof that their faith is the only real and true and must conquer the world. Our secular society they understand it as a fail, that Christianity is a step towards secularity. not want to reject the division between religion and state. humanist values “all people are equal and are free to choose their destiny” … are only ours, they surprised and laugh. These people can not live among us, they are a danger, many people laugh, believes it is impossible that Islam can destroy our society … really impossible? Really ignore what is happening, believe that these things only happen in movies, which are things of the past, crusades, Muslim invasion, theocracy ….. We will pay very dearly.
BLC says
Historically a united Germany has made bad choices. It let Hitler rise to power in the 1930’s. Now, it’s accepting “Syrian” migrants en masse. If the German people don’t know enough to stop Angela Merkel by voting her out of power, the world may eventually have to step in to stop her like it did with Hitler. Then we’ll see how many ways Germany can be divided this time.
Mark Swan says
Never undrestimate the German People.
BLC says
Angela Merkel is a globalization stooge. Apparently, she is willing to sacrifice the relative safety and security of her own people and the rest of the Europeans by flooding her own and European societies with barbarians. Germans need to vote her out while they still exist in Germany.
Mark Swan says
You are Absolutely Correct and they will BLC—Germany is staged to undertake
some real change in leadership and priorities.
Mimi says
I don’t know what’s wrong with them germans… Every 50 years or so, they screw it up big time making everybody else suffer. They are a people of extremes: last time they were extremely dangerous, now they’re extremely stupid.
DFD says
Roberts Spencer says:
“…The arrival of large numbers of refugees has strained communities and led to a rise in far-right violence and attacks on migrant shelters, particularly in eastern Germany….”
Allow me please to point out that most of the colonialist are being housed in the ‘western part’ of Germany, which is also where most attacks occur. There’s practically one of these burning every day, or other types of sabotage/destruction. The people behind this are nearly all ordinary citizens coming together, and rising up, which is why the police has such difficulties tracing them. Just as in France, Belgium, the UK, etc. Even Sweden! Of course, I realize, there are not ‘far right wingers’ in those countries, but err… – whatevcer.
And further:
“…In a guest article for conservative paper Welt am Sonntag…” Forgve me please, but ‘Die Welt’ as well as ‘Die Welt am Sonntag’ are definitely not conservative anymore, though the frequently pretend to, just like the FAZ. They are by now left wing CDU/SPD propaganda leaflets, no more. Their sales are falling rapidly, as do practically all other German printed papers. Against the rising sales/subscriptions of the alternative online media. ‘Bild’ for instance went from about 5 million copies to approx 1.5 million copies, within a bit more than a year.
DFD says
PS: ‘Bild’ used to be Germany’s best selling periodical…
Mazo says
Poland succesfully integrated Muslim Lipka Tatars centuries ago and created a “Polish Islam”.
Lipka Tatar Muslims migrated into Poland after the collapse of the Golden Horde with the permission of the Polish King. They married the local Slavic women, their descendants gave up the Turkic Tatar language and adopted Slavic speech like Belarussian and Polish. The Lipka Tatars served in the Polish army for centuries. The Muslim Lipka Tatars helped Poland fight against the Muslim Crimean Tatar Khanate and against Poland’s European enemies like Germany.
Catholic nationalists support their Lipka Tatar minority. Lipka Tatars look like white Europeans. Polish nationalists are only against foreigners and Jews. They beat up Syrian Christian refugees. Most Syrian Christians who were given asylum in Poland fled to Germany because they didn’t want to live in Poland. Poles like Lipka Tatars and not Jews because Jews never integrated. Jews in Poland spoke Yiddish instead of Slavic.
Russia enlisted Muslim Mishar Tatars and Buddhist Mongol Kalmyks into its Cossack hosts. Muslim Bashkirs and Buddhist Kalmyks served in the Russian army and fought against Napoleon’s French invasion forces. Russian noble families like Yusupov and Derzhavin are descended from Tatar Muslim nobles. Under Catherine the Great, the Russian government paid the salaries of the Muslim scholars and Muftis.
When people talk about Polish Islam or Russian Islam, they aren’t referring to theology. They are referring to the culture and mentality of Tatar Muslims. Lipka Tatars are Muslims but they don’t practice hudud laws since they follow Polish law. Their mentality is different.
Germany has not integrated its Muslim population. Turks in Germany think of themselves as Turks. They never served Germany in a war like Lipka Tatars have done for Poland. They speak “ghetto Gernan”.
Jack Diamond says
Muslims have not integrated in Germany (not “Germany has not integrated its Muslim population”) for the same reasons they have not in Sweden or France or Britain. They are Muslim first. They follow Islamic law and are Islamic supremacists. Not only don’t they integrate, they prey upon the kaffirs, as Muslim would-be conquerors have always done. Hardly limited to Turks.
Lipka Tartar Muslims are not, unsurprisingly, very religious. Their Islam is very syncretic. There are also very few of them.
Mazo says
Lipka Tatar Muslims are syncretic because their male Tatar ancestors married local Slavic Christian women when they moved to Poland and immediately adopted Slavic as their language, totally forgetting how to speak Turkic Tatar. Their children were raised in a Slavic speaking environment by their mothers and assimilated local traditions.
There aren’t many Lipka Tatars now because so many of them married Polish women and Lithuanian constantly that their descendants just assimilated into the Polish Catholic and Lithuanian population. Polish Catholics and Lithuanian Catholics have Lipka Tatar grandparents.
Lithuanian American Christian actor Charles Bronson and Polish Catholic noble Henryk Sienkiewicz both had Lipka Tatar ancestry on their father’s side.
Jews in Poland on the other hand clung to speaking Yiddish, using German Yiddish names and did not assimilate to the Polish population. Thats why the Jewish population in Poland was so big prior to World War II and disliked.
JayT says
For Germany, sharks in the water is a good way to sum up the difference. You find yourself clinging to flotsam and there is a shark in the water. Fortune may be on your side, and the shark eventually leaves you alone, so your chances of not being eaten may be favorable. But, on the other hand if you are bobbing up and down, arms desperately wrapped around the flotsam, and you notice hundreds, or thousands of sharks in your area, you will be eaten. This is what the German people have come to realize as well as other Europeans. Numbers do matter.
Joe says
What about a non-socialistic Germany first? If he managed that, he can then start with the next Utopia. This guy needs to be with Hillary – in jail!
ploome says
Muslims have been anxiously waiting to hear from a nominal Christian, Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, on what is islam and how to reform it.
bravo
moron