As I have pointed out many times, the Obama-backed Syrian “rebels” are not Jeffersonian Democrats. They are jihadis as much as the Islamic State is. They’re just competitors: they want the Islamic state to be theirs. They are unlikely to be outmatched by the Islamic State in brutality and bloodthirstiness in pursuit of Sharia adherence. These people, whom they suspect of being members of or aiding the Islamic State, have been “waging war against Allah and his messenger” (Qur’an 5:33), and thus can lawfully be tortured and brutalized. That Qur’an verse mandates their killing, crucifixion, amputation of their hands and feet on opposite sides, and/or exile. These soldiers just used hammers. They must be moderates.
“And now the bloody revenge for ISIS’s crimes: Shocking videos appear to show Mosul civilians and even CHILDREN being tortured with hammers by Western-backed Iraqi soldiers and militia,” by Jenny Awford, MailOnline, October 21, 2016:
Harrowing videos have emerged which appear to show children in Mosul being tortured and beaten with hammers by Iraqi soldiers and militia.
The civilians, some of whom look as young as eight, were assaulted while being interrogated by the Western-backed troops over whether they were loyal to ISIS, reports claim.
It came after Amnesty International warned civilians caught in the crossfire of the battle to retake the city from the terror group may face execution and torture.
One horrifying video shows a young man being hit on the knee with a hammer before a slab of concrete was thrown onto his head in front of a crowd of soldiers.
The boy could be heard yelling ‘no no’ when he was brutally knee-capped. After the attack, the boy was told to ‘stand up man’.
Other footage, posted to Twitter on Tuesday, shows a boy being struck over the head with an automatic weapon while he sits handcuffed in the back of a truck.
The blood-covered youth can be heard screaming in agony as the troops repeatedly hit him – while others
During the beating, the troops fired questions at the boy, asking: ‘How many people were with you? 14? Where were you coming from?’
Another young boy, who had just escaped from Mosul, can be seen looking dazed after he was held down and savagely beaten by Iraqi troops.
The child, who names himself as Ihab Muhammad, is asked if he or members of his family are members of ISIS in the video, the Middle East Monitor reported.
Another young boy, who had just escaped from Mosul, can be seen looking dazed after he was held down and savagely beaten by Iraqi troops
He is then seen being hit over the head by the soldiers because they did not like the explanation he gave.
The footage shows the boy screaming in pain before one Iraqi soldier told him ‘shut up or else I will kill you’.
MailOnline cannot independently verify the authenticity of the footage – most of which is too graphic to be shown in full.
The torture and murder of unarmed civilians and children constitutes war crimes and crimes against humanity….

BLC says
Wouldn’t a nuclear bomb put an abrupt end to all this savagery?
Jay Boo says
no it would not
BLC says
With all due respect, why not?
umbra says
Cannot nuke an ideology out of existence.
islam is a disease of the mind. It can only be defeated with truth.
gravenimage says
No, I don’t think it would. The Ummah is too decentralized; you could bomb any one part of Dar-al-Islam–even Mecca–but it would not end the vicious creed of Islam.
mortimer says
Nuking ISIS is insane. ALL WESTERN GOVERNMENTS SHOULD CREATE PROTOCOLS TO DEPROGRAM MUSLIMS AND IMPLEMENT THEM MORE VIGOROUSLY than the SAUDI GOVERNMENT IS PROGATING ISLAM IN THE WEST.
Myrtle Linder says
2 Timothy 3: 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. JESUS is coming soon ans the evil will be defeated!!.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
Nuking ISIS is insane. ALL WESTERN GOVERNMENTS SHOULD CREATE PROTOCOLS TO DEPROGRAM MUSLIMS
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With all respect, Mortimer, you have been saying this for months now.
You have never said how this would be done–why would pious Muslims listen to the “filthy Infidels” on Islam?
Moreover, you previously at least seemed to be limiting this to Muslim already in the West–but since you cite ISIS, it now appears that you believe that we should bring in all Muslims in ISIS in order to “deprogram” them.
That would result not in the end of ISIS, but almost certainly the end of the civilized West.
nicu says
Nuclear bomb is not always the solution .
says a Japanese !
BLC says
Again, with all due respect, I saw a T.V. interview with a Japanese woman who said that she was glad that the bombs were dropped in Japan because it ended the war.
gravenimage says
Japan was a largely centralized, at least semi-modern society, led by a single Emperor and whose army was led by a single top General.
This is not true for Islam–it is in my opinion too decentralized.
That does not mean, of course, that military options, if wisely used, are not a key part of our fight against Islam–I believe they are.
It was, in fact, once Muslims realized that they were losing ground to us militarily that we enjoyed our longest period of relative safety from Islam.
caliph says
I agree with graven image, ( as much as I would like mecca to be nuked to prove to muslims that allah will not protect mecca – muslims are of such a mind that even when faced with the fact that mecca is destroyed they will continue to believe the stupidity we know as islam, and be more inclined to violence then ever ) – in WWII the decision on where to drop the Little and Big Boys in Japan was based on years of collected evidence from all theaters of battle – the Japanese stamped manufacturing marks on everything, so the allies were able to discern the best place to destroy the military industry and minimize civilian casualties. There is no such locations with Islam as each mosque and every imam is a potential HQ for local or global jihad. The only real solution is for Western governments to not recognize islam as a religion, to not give it religious protections under the law, AND to allow and encourage critical discussion of islam’s history, inconsistencies, plagerisms and historical flaws. Educating the ignorant, both muslim and non muslims, is the best way to rid the world of islam. People intrinsically will leave a sinking ship, and we non muslims need to made it possible and acceptable for muslims to leave islam and come to a better way of living – it will take time and generations. There is no over-night solution, unless Jesus comes, but I’m not holding my breath nor expecting that to happen in my lifetime.
Jack Diamond says
The Ka’ba has been wrecked, ruined, rebuilt numerous times in the past. There are
also Islamic prophecies about the destruction of the Ka’ba shortly before the end times so it is not something unthinkable to Muslims were it to happen. Even ISIS has threatened to destroy it, as Iran has threatened to obliterate the House of Saud (“wipe them from the pages of history” Khamenei). “We” may not have to do it at all. The after effect would be devastating, (and infuriating), but not a final solution.
Muslims quote Muhammad that the blood of a Muslim is even more sacred than the Ka’ba:
In the Targhib wa’ l-Tarhib of Imam al-Mundhiri, 3/276 it has the following hadith from `Abd Allah ibn `Amr ibn al-`As (Allah be well pleased with him) that he said:
“I saw the Messenger of Allah (saw) performing tawaf around the Holy Ka`ba saying to it: ‘how pure and good you are! how pure and good your fragrance is! how great and exalted you are! and how great and exalted your sanctity is! But by Him in Whose hand is Muhammad’s soul, the sanctity of a believer’s blood and property in the sight of Allah is greater than your sanctity!’“
gravenimage says
Good posts, Caliph and Jack.
Hector Archytas says
JApanese are the oposite of Muslim in all aspects. Nuclear -> Apocalypse -> Morejihadist martyre.
It needs a new religion and a religious war putting together modern minds either former mohamedan or westerner.
Then, a new religious war for the benefice of this religion with drome and robot, ready to suicide in martyrdom for the glory of their creators and claiming “The Universal Programmer is the biggest while exploding”.
PRCS says
Only in the area directly affected by the blast.
But it would continue in so much of the rest of the world.
Don McKellar says
An atomic bomb on Mecca would indeed solve this problem. It would destroy Islam as it exists today, making it “touchable” and force reform for the better. Unlike Christianity and Jeudaism which have been made “touchable” through invasions and destructions of sacred places/sites, forcing reflection and examination and a move away from nuts and bolts literalism, no such thing has happened in Islam. It is long overdue and should have happened after Sept 11th. We would not have the problems we have today had that happened and the Islamic world would have imploded on itself. Robert Spencer does not share this view.
Don McKellar says
Judaism,
BLC says
Somewhere I read that al-Baghdadi declared a caliphate because he held al-Raqqah. I thought then that if al-Raqqah was wiped off the face of the map, he or anyone else could no longer claim to hold a caliphate.
mortimer says
McKellar…you are INSANE.
BLC says
With all due respect, I don’t think McKellar is insane. I think what’s truly insane is that the civilized world is having to put up with the sadistic acts of these barbarians such as in this news story.
Muhammad's Ghost says
How is it “insane” to recognize the fact that when Muslims pray toward the Kabah 5 times a day and Hajj to the Kabah is a central religious act (one of the 5 Pillars), that permanent destruction of the Kabah both proves “Allah” is impotent and forces a serious re-interpretation of the foundations of Islam?
gravenimage says
I don’t think it would, MG–read Jack Diamond’s post, above.
Peggy says
He is not insane. He is prepared to fight. Maybe destroying Mecca isn’t the solution but it is part of the solution.
Destroy Mecca and most of ME Muslims buildings of importance. Kill as many as you can and make sure that we don’t give them an inch in our countries.
Stop excusing their evil deeds and start deporting extremists and their families.
The other extremists will have to behave when they realize they are now a minority and face the same fate if they try anything.
Make it perfectly clear that Islam will not be tolerated and only our laws are going to be upheld.
And last but not least, stop importing more.
Champ says
another EYESORE: the dome of the rock!
love to see that thing G.O.N.E. for good!
gravenimage says
It would not be necessary to use a nuclear bomb to take out the Ka’aba (even assuming that would do much good). The Ka’aba is not that large.
Peggy says
Maybe not necessary but a lot of fun don’t you think.
I know it would make my day.
Tommy says
I’m anti-war, but pro-bomb.
BLC says
I can’t see having savages brutally kill civilians world-wide constantly and losing soldiers in battle to fight the savages when a bomb may make for a speedier end to the madness.
Ron says
A nuclear bomb might put an end to everythng, including you and me.
BLC says
If I could choose which way I went out, I’d choose the bomb rather than the jihadis. It would be more humane.
gravenimage says
I don’t think we have to wipe out ourselves in order to oppose Jihad, BLC.
Christianblood says
(..As I have pointed out many times, the Obama-backed Syrian “rebels” are not Jeffersonian Democrats. They are jihadis as much as the Islamic State is..)
Very well-said Robert Spencer and you are absolutely right! I am sure, especially in Syria US knows what it is doing and who it is dealing with there, it is just that US wants to use ISIS, Al-nusra and various other jihadist groups there to overthrow the legitimate government of president Assad and replace him with the jihadists. No doubt US knows the nature and goals of the various jihadists it is backing globally, it just wants to use those jihadists as cards to further its selfish hegemonic ambitions and greed and the world seems to be waking up to this fact more and more. More of this on the link below please: https://southfront.org/war-against-terrorists-is-crime/
gravenimage says
No doubt US knows the nature and goals of the various jihadists it is backing globally, it just wants to use those jihadists as cards to further its selfish hegemonic ambitions and greed and the world seems to be waking up to this fact more and more…
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Of course, the idea that Robert Spencer is claiming that the West is knowingly pro-Jihad is just false–as Christianblood knows full well.
He has eagerly agreed here before with the idea that America and the rest of the West should be conquered by Muslims.
Angemon says
Isn’t it funny how CB selectively picks which topics to post in? If a claim about how the US is trying to replace “legitimate” governments with jihadis is off-topic, don0t expect to hear from him. And any article about Iran has become to him what sunlight is to vampires.
OH, and isn’t it also funny how his “sources” tend to be either uncritical of, or linked to, the Russian government? A government we know has been waging cyberwarfare against the West including, but not limited to, massive waves of anti-Western, especially anti-US, propaganda?
Ron says
Do you think we haven’t been doing the same?
Angemon says
Ron posted:
“Do you think we haven’t been doing the same?”
I’m certain of it. There are no professional teams of people paid by US or European governments whose job is to post anti-Russian propaganda in Russian websites (or non-Russian websites, for that matter). Most European governments don’t have an ironclad rule over the media in their countries. And while the media in the US is heavily skewed in favour of the narrative being spun by the Obama administration, US citizens have the freedom to challenge said narrative thanks to alternative media, and that shows in the polls regarding trust in mass media.
I was a regular on some large forums based in several European countries when the invasion of Ukraine by Russia started. What happened around that time can be summed up as a sudden number of new members speaking in broken language, defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine and insulting anyone who dared to disagree. No amount of evidence was enough to convince them, and that was so generalized it became an internet meme (google “proofster” or “proofs rooster”).
While I’d expect that nations try, to the best of their capabilities, to keep tabs on what other nations do, whether by traditional means or in the cyberspace, the behaviour I described above is the online equivalent of the Democrat party sending agitators to stir s*** up in a Trump rally. It’s not merely intelligence or espionage, it’s an act of aggression. It’s straight from the KGB playbook about destabilizing a country:
Wellington says
Ron, I’m with Angemon here. We haven’t been doing the same. Christianblood is all Russia all the time. Russia can do no wrong. Putin can do no wrong, blah, blah, blah. And, oh by the way, the West is terrible, just terrible.
By contrast, many here at JW, for instance, Angemon, gravenimage, Mirren and myself, are only too prepared to criticize American policy and the policy of other Western nations. And sometimes there is approbation of Russia by such folks, for instance, myself. While criticizing Russia’s woeful understanding of freedom, whether under Czars, First Secretaries and now Putin, I have noted on more than one occasion the great courage of the Russian people and their tremendous intellectual and artistic heritage. Others here at JW have indicated that Putin backing Assad in Syria, even though Assad is clearly a tyrant, has been a sounder policy than the feckless one of America and her allies backing Assad’s opposition. And so on.
Night and day difference here, Ron. No contest.
gravenimage says
Very true, Wellington.
We know that the whole world is threatened by Islam, and act accordingly. “Christianblood” and his ilk do not care if supremacist Muslims have their way, just so long as the West suffers for it.
And as we have seen, Russia can be as feckless as is the West–but “Christianblood” always denies this, even when it puts the Russian people themselves at risk from ravening Muslims.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“We know that the whole world is threatened by Islam, and act accordingly. “Christianblood” and his ilk do not care if supremacist Muslims have their way, just so long as the West suffers for it.”
Indeed. It’s no coincidence that CB has propped up shia islam as being the “good” islam with sunni islam being the “bad” islam. Not coincidentally, Saudi Arabia is aligned with Washington while Tehran is aligned with Moscow. Chastising the Saudis for beheading gays while defending the Iranians who hang them from construction cranes is proof that CB is no counter-jihadi and is, instead, acting in accordance with an agenda of his own, an agenda which includes Hillary-esque tactics of derision and public-shaming to silence genuine critics of islam.
Christianblood says
Wellington
Ron is right. You are wrong!
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Wellington
Ron is right. You are wrong!”
No. Wellington is right. You are wrong. And you lie. A lot.
Christianblood says
gravenimage
In the modern world, there is NO supremacist islam without the support of the American and Western world. Period!
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“In the modern world, there is NO supremacist islam without the support of the American and Western world. Period!”
This is, of course, false, and I don’t expect you to bring forth any sort of evidence linking the “American and Western world” to, for example, supporting Uyghurs in China, or the Iranian crackdown on religious minorities, or even the ongoing rebellion in Chechnia. Is the “American and Western world” supporting the Chechnians? Because, last time I checked, the muslim leader who stated that his followers were to kill as many Russians as possible struck a deal with the Russian government: he was given Chechnia to rule just as long as he stopped waging jihad against Russia, leading him to be killed by his former brothers in arms and getting a bridge in St. Petersburg named after him, with the mayor of St. Petersburg saying “Russia remembers and honors all its heroes”. But please, explain how all of that is thanks to “the support of the American and Western world”.
Wellington says
Christianblood: How am I wrong at least on the specific point I made that you NEVER criticize Russia or Putin while many here at JW, such as myself, regularly criticize America and its leadership?
Your turn. Waiting.
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
In the modern world, there is NO supremacist islam without the support of the American and Western world. Period!
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Christianblood, this just absurd.
Firstly, the idea that supremacist Islam is an America or Western idea is just ridiculous. Really, supremacist Islam could not be more diametrically opposed to the values of the West.
Then, Islam *much* predates the modern West–by at least 1200 years. You are not so uninformed that you do not realize this.
Then, let’s look at specifics–how is America of the West supporting Boko Haram? Don’t you consider bombing Christian churches and kidnapping schoolgirls to be supremacist Islam?
How is the sanguinary Islamic State anything but supremacist Islam?
What about Iran, which is stoning women to death and vowing to wipe Israel off the map? The were doing this long before the ill-conceived recent nuclear deal.
What about Chechnya? Those imposing Shari’ah law there and plotting Jihad terror attacks on Russia have nothing to do with the US.
I could go on, but why bother? This is ludicrous.
It is one thing to–quite rightly–condemn willful Western naivité in really, really wanting to believe that Muslim thugs like these in Mosul are some sort of “freedom fighters”–it is something else again to pretend that Jihad in the modern world is somehow an American invention.
Christianblood says
gravenimage
Dear Graven, supremacist islam is real and it is evil and an existing danger to all of us and that is true but what I meant is that America and the West are backing, encouraging, arming and supporting supremacist, head-chopping islamists such as Saudi Arabia and all the various jihadists groups that are fighting today in Syria and elsewhere. For instance, America and the West are eager to overthrow the secular government of Assad which is protecting millions of Christians and other religious minorities there in support of their barbaric muslim jihadist allies and are even willing to start WW3 on behalf of their supremacist islamic jihadists. Thank God, Russia will NOT allow this, this time! Don’t YOU SEE THAT Graven? More below:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/russian-air-defence-missiles-would-respond-if-us-launches-air-st/
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Dear Graven, supremacist islam is real and it is evil and an existing danger to all of us and that is true but what I meant is that America and the West are backing, encouraging, arming and supporting supremacist, head-chopping islamists such as Saudi Arabia and all the various jihadists groups that are fighting today in Syria and elsewhere.”
*yawn*
You need to new material. Blah blah, America bad, Saudi Arabia bad. Meanwhile, people who genuinely care about the threat posed by islam see you for the phony you are. No mention of Iran or shia terror groups. Not a peep when on articles talking Iranian persecution of Christians or Zoroastrians but plenty of venom for Saudi Arabia, even when the article is not about Saudi Arabia. Are you paid by the word or by the number of posts?
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
Dear Graven, supremacist islam is real and it is evil and an existing danger to all of us and that is true but what I meant is that America and the West are backing, encouraging, arming and supporting supremacist, head-chopping islamists such as Saudi Arabia
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Christianblood, I have always condemned the foolishness of considering the Shari’ah hell hole Saudi Arabia an ally.
I have noted many times that you, however, have not a word of criticism for Russia’s enabling Iran–which hangs gay people from cranes and stones women to death–from becoming a nuclear power.
As for those here, as bad as they are, the idea that they are worse than ISIS is a pretty iffy proposition. Opposing ISIS in and of itself is *not* a bad thing, and is *hardly* pro-Jihad, whatever you may pretend.
More:
…and all the various jihadists groups that are fighting today in Syria and elsewhere. For instance, America and the West are eager to overthrow the secular government of Assad which is protecting millions of Christians and other religious minorities there in support of their barbaric muslim jihadist allies…
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The government–such as it is–of Assad is *not* secular. Christians are oppressed and subject to unprosecuted random violence from Muslims there, and long have been.
Under normal circumstances, opposing Assad is an entirely moral prospect.
But–as I’ve noted here scores of times–what would replace him is apt to be *much* worse. Circumstances for Christians, in particular, would likely move from dhimmitude and the suffering of violence to full-on enslavement and genocide.
So, yes–he is the least bad option for Syria right now. I have written political representatives many times, making just that case.
More:
…and are even willing to start WW3 on behalf of their supremacist islamic jihadists. Thank God, Russia will NOT allow this, this time! Don’t YOU SEE THAT Graven? More below:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/russian-air-defence-missiles-would-respond-if-us-launches-air-st/
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Yes–you have threatened us with nuclear annihilation several times before. I hadn’t missed that on this thread–I just hadn’t commented on it.
Angemon says
“legitimate government of president Assad”
Syrians started a civil war to get him out of power – “legitimate” indeed…
Anonymous says
Yeah right. Assad isn’t legitimate because US-sponsored and US-armed ‘rebels’ started a war to get him out of power? That makes any leader of any country not inclined towards US interests illegitimate in your eyes?
Christianblood says
Anonymous posted
(..Assad isn’t legitimate because US-sponsored and US-armed ‘rebels’ started a war to get him out of power? That makes any leader of any country not inclined towards US interests illegitimate in your eyes?..)
Very true indeed! Thank you!
Angemon says
Anonymous posted:
“Assad isn’t legitimate because US-sponsored and US-armed ‘rebels’ started a war to get him out of power?”
Would a war be possible if Assad was a genuinely elected leader with the support of the majority of his people? Was there a civil war in Egypt when Mubarak and Horsi after him were ousted? No and No. Your assertion that the civil war in Syria was started by US-backed rebels is not only spurious at face value, it’s also demeaning and belittling of freedom-wanting Syrians who wanted a genuine democracy. But I guess you have to throw them under the bus and pretend Assad was a saint if you want to attack the US.
What’s next, are you going to tell me that the Arab Spring was a false-flag event carried out by US forces? Or that Assad did not violently repressed the people who called for his resignation?
Angemon says
P.S.:
“ US-sponsored and US-armed ‘rebels’ started a war to get him out of power”
Citation needed.
Anonymous says
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-inconvenient-truth-bashar-al-assads-popularity-confounds-nato-propagandists/5532844
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria/5410130
http://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another-pipeline-war-1882180532.html
I doubt you will be convinced by any citations that I can provide. A simple google search brought these up and many more. That said, if you search for links that claim Assad is a monster, you will find equally many or perhaps even more of those.
Ultimately, everyone has to go by whatever sounds like a reasonable explanation to them. I am not in Syria and even if I was, if I did not echo any beliefs that you hold, you would probably put me down as ‘one of the evil Alawites supporting Assad’.
Angemon says
Anonymous posted:
“I doubt you will be convinced by any citations that I can provide. A simple google search brought these up and many more. That said, if you search for links that claim Assad is a monster, you will find equally many or perhaps even more of those.”
Way to self-defeat your argument. Oh, and would you be convinced by any citations I provided?
“Ultimately, everyone has to go by whatever sounds like a reasonable explanation to them.”
“Reasonable” being the keyword. I find very unreasonable to rob the Syrian people of its free will and agency by stating that everything was great in Syria until foreign mercenaries backed by Western nations poured in. I mean, the whole premise is nonsensical, but implying that Syrians have no will of their own is simply unreasonable, to say the least.
“I am not in Syria and even if I was, if I did not echo any beliefs that you hold, you would probably put me down as ‘one of the evil Alawites supporting Assad’.”
Except that I never called anyone an “evil Alawite supporting Assad”. Or anything similar to that. I’ve stated, several times, that brutal as Assad may be, he was a much better alternative than the religious groups gunning for his head. Which Assad has no one to blame for but himself.
gravenimage says
Anonymous’ claim that Angemon hates Alawites is just bizarre.
Certainly, Alawites have–because of the small size of their sect–been historically somewhat less bloody than their more orthodox Shia coreligionists. In Syria, they have often–again, due to their small size–at least loosely allied with Christians and Druze.
None of this, of course, means that Assad is hence some sort of champion of freedom and democracy. He is just–how many times do I have to say this on this thread?–somewhat less bad than the regional alternative.
As for Global Research, this is run by one Michel Chossudovsky. He is Canadian, but of Russian descent. His main sthick has been that the fall of the oppressive Soviet Union was a bad thing.
He regularly contributes to Russian state-run RT, and–much worse–is regularly interviewed on Iran’s mouthpiece Press TV. That he is in bed with the horrific Mullahs should tell you something.
The main point of Global Research is slamming the United States and NATO. They have also condemned the “War on Terror”–that is, any resistance to Jihad itself.
They are also 9/11 “Truthers”:
“The Walls Are Crumbling Down Around the “Official 9/11 Story” – Why?”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-walls-are-crumbling-down-around-the-official-911-story-why/5394984
They are also claiming that Putin has information that 9/11 was an “inside job”.
They also have the paranoid idea that the US is trying to pin the downing of the Malaysian airplane on Putin–even though this is nothing that any Western news source has ever suggested.
The supposed result of all this is the immanent collapse of the United States:
“Even in the most optimistic scenario there will be chaos, especially in the US, as the US empire collapses, the dollar collapses and the world begins to pick up the pieces while tens of millions of brainwashed slaves, full of mind-altering pharmaceuticals and completely dependent on the government for survival, roam the streets like zombies. In the most pessimistic, well, let’s not even go there…”
Why would anyone take this tinfoil-hat crap seriously? No wonder this poster comments as “Anonymous”.
Angemon says
Yes, GI. I’ve already discussed Global Research ‘s lack of accuracy with CB (well, insofar as one can have a “discussion” with someone trying to push a narrative and dismissing facts left and right to make room for baseless, libellous claims with no backing in reality): they have some good articles in it but they can’t tell the difference between facts and conspiracy theories, and they’re suspiciously pro-Russian and anti-West, especially anti-US, on everything to the point I’ve seen people online calling it another of the Kremlin’s propaganda outlets. While I personally don’t think that’s the case (I chalk it up to some of its contributors being long time commies who probably have fond memories of “Uncle Joe”), the vast majority of their articles I’ve read were heavily skewed towards a specific narrative, contained false info or both.
Christianblood says
Angmeon posted
(..Syrians started a civil war to get him out of power..)
A total lie! The war in Syria is between the legitimate Syrian government and American, UK, Saudi, Qatari and Turkish backed international jihadist mercenaries. America backs these barbaric jihadists to further its hegemonic global ambitions and greed.
Anne Smith says
Unfortuantely the mess in Syria is really awful b ecause Western Governments are historically illliterate.
The Sykes Picot agreement gave Syria to the French, after the first world war. Goodness knows why as the French contributed pretty much nothing to the winning of the war and the removal of the Ottaman Empire from the Middle East.
The French, having taken a look at the primitive tribes in Syria, gave control of the place to (the slightly more civilised) Alawite tribe which they thought seemed the best bet. Assad is an Alawite and holds his position by virtue of his family having controlled the country for years, putting down any insurrections with maximum force. At least under Assad and his father Christians were treated with civility and allowed churches. The Assads kept a firm hold on the country which prevented the more primitive and violent form of Islam from taking over. This is why the ISIS and their chums in the insurgency are trying to get control. A pity the Americans don’t really understand all this. They are so steeped in “good guy, bad guy” cowboy type stuff they are far too naive to understand the complexities of life in the Middle East., the idiot Bush being the prime example of foolishness and naivety.
Entrepreneurism in Syria was discouraged, as anyone starting a business had to first to pay off all the officials with bribes, and taxes. Most entrepreneurial Syrians left the country and are all over the Middle East and rest of the world.
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“A total lie! The war in Syria is between the legitimate Syrian government and American, UK, Saudi, Qatari and Turkish backed international jihadist mercenaries. ”
Nope. Yours is the total lie. Would a “legitimate government” go after people who called for its resignation? Stick to the idea that rotten as Assad is, he is preferable to ISIS – calling his government “legitimate” when he ruled by force makes you look silly and unreliable, to say the least. And I see you “forgot” to mention Syrians in your description of the Syrian *civil* war – I guess no Syrians whatsoever are fighting on the forces opposing Assad, right?
Christianblood says
Angemon
In a recent interview in the video below, the Syrian leader talks openly and frankly about the conspiracy in his country and who is behind it:
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“In a recent interview in the video below, the Syrian leader”
Ah, so I guess we should take the word of Assad, a tyrant willing to do anything to remain in power and who is aligned with Moscow, because he has no reasons to lie, especially on an interview given to a Russia propaganda outlet. Is that it?
Ron says
Give isolationism a chance.
gravenimage says
Assad is a dictator and an absolute thug, and has been brutal to his own people. Moreover, he himself is a Jihadist who has backed Hizb’allah atrocities against Israel.
That *this* is what “Christianblood” considers “legitimate” is grimly telling.
But what would replace Assad would almost certainly be worse, especially given the regional rise of ISIS. Keeping Assad in power is probably the least worst scenario there.
Acknowledging this is one thing; pretending that Assad is a great and legitimate leader is something else again.
Christianblood says
Angemon posted
(..Assad is a dictator and an absolute thug, and has been brutal to his own people..)
That is US, Western propaganda.
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“That is US, Western propaganda./i>”
No, it’s the plain truth.
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
Angemon posted
(..Assad is a dictator and an absolute thug, and has been brutal to his own people..)
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No, I posted that. No one can refute it–this is not US or Western “propaganda”.
Assad is better than ISIS; that does not mean that he is a beacon of freedom and democracy.
Anonymous says
Then there’s this video… doesn’t look like a particularly discontented citizenry.
Angemon says
Anonymous posted:
“Then there’s this video… doesn’t look like a particularly discontented citizenry.”
Well, if you imply that one video pushing a very sketchy conspiracy theory is more than enough to accurately represent the minds and opinions of all the millions of Syrian living under Assad, who am I to disagree?!?!?! /sarc. off
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
Angmeon posted
(..Syrians started a civil war to get him out of power..)
A total lie! The war in Syria is between the legitimate Syrian government and American, UK, Saudi, Qatari and Turkish backed international jihadist mercenaries.
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I’m sorry–this is ridiculous. The idea that there are no native Syrian Sunni Jihadists fighting in Syria is just absurd.
This is certainly not saying this means they have any sort of moral high ground as a result–they do not.
But the idea that this is not part of the Sunni supremacist movement we have seen all over the Middle East since the “Arab Spring”, but are all foreign “mercenaries”, is just false.
Christianblood says
Angemon posted
(..Assad is a dictator and an absolute thug, and has been brutal to his own people..)
Cheap, pro-islamist, pro-jihadist, pro-ISIS, pro-Saudi-Arabian Western propaganda. Assad is fighting the same people who brought 9/11 attacks to America and if Americans and other Westerners have any common sense left in their brains they should support Assad, not the barbaric, head-chopping jihadists they
backing and arming:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/russian-air-defence-missiles-would-respond-if-us-launches-air-st/
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Cheap, pro-islamist, pro-jihadist, pro-ISIS, pro-Saudi-Arabian Western propaganda.”
No, it’s the plain truth. Assad is a tyrant who’s been brutal with his people. There’s nothing “pro-islamist”, “pro-jihadist” (because apparently you’re trying to use synonyms to make up with numbers what you lack in sense), “pro-ISIS” or “pro-Saudi-Arabian” in saying so.
Assad is a tyrant, and trying to pass him as a “legitimate” ruler should be more than enough for people stop taking you seriously (assuming they ever did).
“Assad is fighting the same people who brought 9/11 attacks to America”
Bin Laden is dead, and not thanks to Assad.
gravenimage says
As I already noted, I was the one who posted that.
As I also noted, Assad is better than whatever is likely to take his place if he is ousted.
The idea that Assad is an Anti-Jihadist is ridiculous, though. Hizb’allah–with Assad’s backing–has launched Jihad terror attacks against Israel. The idea that this is Anti-Jihad is just absurd.
Christianblood says
Anonymous
I will surely watch the video you provided. Thanks bro!
Keep it up!
Christianblood says
Anonymous
I watched it. It is a great video, filled with facts about Syrian people and how the overwhelming majority of them support their great leader, Assad. Thanks for sharing it!
somehistory says
Demons are in control. The devil’s children are doing as he wishes and killing as he is not directly allowed to do. Sickening that some *humans* can be so evil.
The wild beast is not limited in its savagery, but it does have a limited time to exist.
Christianblood says
somehistory
You are right. The demons are indeed in control and Killary Clinton, the next American president proved it in the video clip below. And in support of America and her barbaric jihadist buddies she might try it again in Syria and it will very likely change into a global nuclear confrontation: Watch Killary talk about this on the short video clip below:
myfinaloption says
Killary Clinton amd the obama administration is mostly responsible for thks, if we hadnt pulled out in 09 this caliphate would have never began, this administration is responsible for the creation if the islamic state, we armed them to over throw assad for the sunni Saudis and it back fired now we’re willing to start ww3 with the Russians just for potus to show he has the power which he and killary have abused.
Isis was armed illegally with weapons taken from the Gaddafi military #Bengazi.
We are messing up the entire world and our military is being misused and used to not protect the United States but to push a United nation mission. THIS IS A TRAVISTY OF BIBLICAL proportion.
Christianblood says
myfinaloption
You are indeed right and yet most American taxpayers have NO idea what is going as MSM in the US has become a propaganda media for the US government and its war mongering military industrial complex.
Ron says
Lying at the heart of all these problems is the unchallenged assumption that, by intervening militarily, we can re-make the world in ways pleasing to us. If there is any proof of this it escapes me. One might easily assume that Vietnam, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan were resounding successes, but they stand in mute testimony against a government gone mad.
Jay Boo says
War Criminals
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both knee deep in the blood of innocents.
They believe that their (Muslim terrorist friends) are not at all like other Muslim terrorists, but as soon as Obo and the H-Beast are no longer needed by their Muslim friends, they may regret having their creepy “friends” hanging around weighing the value of jihad against the no longer useful dhimmis Obo and Hillary.
Christianblood says
Ron posted
(..Lying at the heart of all these problems is the unchallenged assumption that, by intervening militarily, we can re-make the world in ways pleasing to us. If there is any proof of this it escapes me. One might easily assume that Vietnam, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan were resounding successes, but they stand in mute testimony against a government gone mad..)
Ron, you are absolutely right and correct! Let us hope that multitudes of US, Western peoples will soon come to the same factual conclusions before it is too late. Thank you! .
Christianblood says
Jay Boo posted
(..Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both knee deep in the blood of innocents..)
Right, also George Bush, Bill Clinton and many other US presidents before and after them are just as guilty. The problem is not the US presidents but the US supremacist political ideology known as “American Exceptionalism” that drives their crazy, imperialist polices.
This crazy supremacist Nazi ideology will sooner or later lead the world to a nuclear holocaust!
gravenimage says
Yeah, right–the problem is “American Exceptionalism”–Islam is just fine…
Christianblood says
Ron posted
(..Lying at the heart of all these problems is the unchallenged assumption that, by intervening militarily, we can re-make the world in ways pleasing to us..)
Not anymore my friend. Russia will NOT allow America and the demonic, pro-islamic, pro-jihadist West to replace Assad with their barbaric, head-chopping jihadist mercenaries allies in Syria:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/russian-air-defence-missiles-would-respond-if-us-launches-air-st/
Christianblood says
William Snow Hume
The information you provided is absolutely right. America and the West are directly backing, training, arming, funding and supporting barbaric islamic jihadists and are in bed with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. In Yemen, America and the West are covertly bombing that country to help ISIS and other Sunni jihadists and the same goes on in Syria and elsewhere.
Christianblood says
gravenimage
Fanatical, Nazi-like believers in “American Exceptionalism” use islamic jihadists as a card to further their evil, hegemonic, greedy agenda around the globe. They will be stopped if they try to force their evil, projihadist agenda in Syria:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/russian-air-defence-missiles-would-respond-if-us-launches-air-st/
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Fanatical, Nazi-like believers in “American Exceptionalism” use islamic jihadists as a card to further their evil, hegemonic, greedy agenda around the globe. ”
Out of all the stupid, moronic and outright insane things you’ve posted on this site, that’s got to be the worst of all. Trying to link Nazism with American excepcionalism? I’m sorry if you live in an oppressive country where you are not free to pursuit your happiness and have, instead, to live as the thrall of a fascist, oppressive regime who constantly bombards you with messages about your racial/national superiority in order to keep you tame with the idea that you have it bad but foreigners have it worse, but the idea of American exceptionalism is nothing of the sort. American exceptionalism is simply the belief that America, thanks to the circumstances of its foundation, is inherently different from any other nation existing because it’s founded on based on principles like liberty, egalitarianism, individualism and free market. And do you know who first spoke of American excepcionalism? A French diplomat, Alexis de Tocqueville, who spent some time in the US studying the American society.
gravenimage says
“Christianblood” wrote:
gravenimage
Fanatical, Nazi-like believers in “American Exceptionalism” use islamic jihadists as a card to further their evil, hegemonic, greedy agenda around the globe.
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“Christianblood” is just completely unhinged at this point.
Here’s the definition of “American Exceptionalism”:
“In its classic forms, American exceptionalism refers to the special character of the United States as a uniquely free nation based on democratic ideals and personal liberty.”
That “Christianblood” considers this “Nazi-like” is just bizarre.
Alexis de Tocqueville was the first writer to describe the country as “exceptional”–does “Christianblood” believe he was a “Nazi”, as well?
William Snow Hume says
And maybe we, the US, are part of “the Devil’s children”. Please consider reading my translation and “post” about this incident: https://www.facebook.com/williamsnowhume/posts/1150713305005186
The US is facilitating genocides of “5-er” Shi`ites in North Yemen, as well as in western Syria. Maybe if we did not help Sunnis to kill Shi`ites, then Iran would not help Shi`ite militias to kill Sunnis. Please read my “post” and think about that idea… WSH
gravenimage says
I’m sorry–Sunnis and Shia have been slaughtering each other for almost 1400 years now. Are you unaware that this much predates the founding of the United States?
Peggy says
I’ve been reading posts between you, Angemon, CB, Ron, etc. and you all have legitimate points but as far as I am concerned it doesn’t matter how brutal Assad is because being the mildest of evils (by our standards) is not why I think he should be in charge but because he has shown that he can keep Islmists in check.
That’s all the qualification needed for those people.
Saddam, Gadaffi and Assad are exactly what ME needs. Muslims can’t cope with democracy and they need these people to keep them submissive.
Under all three, non Muslims have been better off than under any ISIS demon.
Sure, they haven’t exactly been treated as equals and that’s something that we find hard to accept but removing dictators means a lot worse fate than leaving them in place.
So really, who cares who’s worse, Assad or Bin Laden. The only question we need to ask is who’s best for non Muslims.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“I’ve been reading posts between you, Angemon, CB, Ron, etc. and you all have legitimate points”
Huh, no. In this particular scenario, you can’t have mutually exclusive points being both “legitimate points”. Saying Assad is a legitimate leader is not a “legitimate point”, it’s a blatant lie, and its mutually exclusive with saying that Assad is a tyrant who used force to remain in power. Saying that the civil war in Syria was started by the US is not a “legitimate point”, it’s a blatant lie, and mutually exclusive with the existence of a Syran opposition that grew to the point where they could face Assad through force. Saying that the forces fighting against Assad do not contain Syrians is not a “legitimate point”, it’s a lie, and mutually exclusive with the existence of Syrian people fighting against Assad. Saying that the US created/funded ISIS is not a “legitimate point”, it’s a lie, and mutually exclusive with what we know about ISIS’s rise. Saying that lies are “legitimate points” makes you a liar.
Angemon says
P.S.:
“So really, who cares who’s worse, Assad or Bin Laden. ”
I care. Religious minorities in Syria care. Everyone should care. Including you, seeing how you’re arguing that people like Assad are the alternative to people like Bin Laden.
Jay Boo says
Where are the low-lives at NPR?
They have — No comment.
It seems in their worldview, that to criticize Obama is racist and Hillary is sexist.
Anne Smith says
But the people pouring financial support into Hillary’s campaign are the Saudis – you don’t come much more sexist than that.
Christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..The US *has* been backing retaking Mosul from ISIS:.)
Jihadist-backing America and the West are negotiating ISIS jihadists in Mosul to move them to Syria and they are telling them they are going provide them even transport and logistics to move to Syria. The demonic US and Western plan is to relocate thousands of ISIS jihadists from Mosul to Syria and use them to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad. More of this below:
http://theduran.com/the-us-plan-for-isis-out-of-iraq-into-syria-to-fight-assad/
gravenimage says
Ah, yes–Russian news source RIA Novosti–which does not even exist as an independent body anymore–cites information from an “an anonymous diplomatic source”–no mention, even, from what country. Can’t get any more rock solid information than that…
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“The demonic US and Western plan is to relocate thousands of ISIS jihadists from Mosul to Syria and use them to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad. More of this below:”
I’ll just quote from the first paragraph of the site you linked to:
RIA Novosti is a long-time propaganda outlet of the Russian government, dating back to the USSR era. Novosti s*** it out, The Duran ate it up and s*** it out again, and you ate it up and s*** it down yet again, like some sort of human centipede.
William Snow Hume says
Jay Boo: The people who did this have never received US backing. Their funding and training comes from Iran. They are “Shi`ite militia” members, named the Hashd al-Shaabi. You may wish to read my translation and “post” about it: https://www.facebook.com/williamsnowhume/posts/1150713305005186
At this point, the Iraqi government cannot stop ISIS, and has been forced to let Hashd Al-Shaabi conduct the civilian defense against ISIS. It is impossible to stop a Salafi Sunni group like ISIS, when the government is forced to allow other Sunnis, including Salafis and Nakhshbandi Order Sufis, to participate in every aspect, including military civil defense. There can never be peace without partition, and that is what JOE BIDEN advocated more than 8 years ago, but he was silenced by the Democratic Party Establishment.
At any rate, OBAMA has no viable way to stop this kind of human rights abuses, short of pressuring Iraq to voluntarily self-partition itself. Mark my words: “Kurdish vs. Arab” conflicts and “ethnic cleansings” are just around the corner in Iraq. Kurds have a very noteworthy history of terroristic acts, such as bombings; just ask Turkey. So, unless we get partition soon in Iraq, we will all see repeats of this situation, over and over. We will need to look to the next US President to address such a solution. WSH
gravenimage says
The US *has* been backing retaking Mosul from ISIS:
“U.S. to Send 600 More Troops to Iraq to Help Retake Mosul From ISIS”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/world/middleeast/obama-troops-iraq.html?_r=0
Actually, retaking territory from the sanguinary Islamic State is not in and of itself a bad thing–just the opposite.
The real problem is our assuming that anyone who opposes ISIS must ipso facto be pro-human rights and democracy. In the cesspool of Dar-al-Islam, this is *anything* but a reasonable assumption.
Jay Boo says
Sorry but Turkey supports ISIS and the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood. The Kurdish people I have met are decent people. Our alleged NATO ally Turkey can’t be trusted.
What would Leila Fadel say about this?
Christianblood says
Jay Boo posted
(..Sorry but Turkey supports ISIS and the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood..)
And so does America and the West. There is NO ISIS without America and the West. They created ISIS after invading Iraq and destroying its government. Let hope and pray they don’t succeed doing the same in Syria:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/russian-air-defence-missiles-would-respond-if-us-launches-air-st/
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“And so does America and the West.”
You mean, the same America and West that are actively fighting against it?
“There is NO ISIS without America and the West.”
Huh, no. Islamic supremacism, of which ISIS is the newest face, exists for 1400 years now – long before the Western world as we know it came into existence. And that includes America. Why re you making the distinction between America and the Western world? The United States of America were founded on Western core values. The USA are part of the Western world.
“They created ISIS after invading Iraq and destroying its government.”
Citation needed.
gravenimage says
Christianblood has claimed that the US created ISIS before. Never mind that this makes no sense. Much as he reviles America, the idea that we created Islam and Shari’ah–which inform ISIS–is just absurd.
Angemon says
Jay Boo posted:
“Sorry but Turkey supports ISIS and the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood. The Kurdish people I have met are decent people. Our alleged NATO ally Turkey can’t be trusted.”
Indeed. If there was ever a time when Turkey could be considered a reliable ally, that time is gone.
gravenimage says
Mosul civilians and children tortured with hammers by US-backed Iraqi “liberators”
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*Horrifying*. US authorities are desperate to consider some of these Islamic thugs “liberators” and “freedom fighters”–but it just isn’t so.
PRCS says
http://tinyurl.com/h4u22oc
gravenimage says
Spot on cartoon, PRCS. Thanks for posting the link.
Ron says
Senator McCain made himself look incredibly naive when he advocated for the “moderate” rebels. There are no moderates there, only jhadis.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Ron.
These lot are about as bad as the ISIS thugs they displaced.
William Snow Hume says
As I said below, these are not US-backed “rebels”. These are Iranian-backed Iraqi Shi`ite militias, who arose because the Iraqi secular government was completely ineffective to stop ISIS. You might find it interesting to know that the Kurds don’t commit the same atrocities against Arabs, when they liberate some town or city from ISIS’s control… but they do displace the Arabs, permanently. Thus, Sunni Arab cities that have been liberated from ISIS will become either “not Sunni” or “not Arab”. [FYI: Most Kurds are Sunnis.]
Mak says
You can take a Muslim out of the Jihad but you can’t take the Jihad out of the Muslim.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Obama received a noble peace prize but under him hell was unleashed.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Just wanted to add to what I said above:. I do not know if the Book of Revelation is true or not, but if it is then Obama is the white horse of the Apocalypse. In the name of peace, he brought war. .
August West says
Shia killing Sunni.
Who could have seen that coming?
William Snow Hume says
You have that right. Everyone else on this “thread” seems to think that it was US-backed Sunnis. It was the Hashd al-Shaabi militia. Video link: https://twitter.com/Dr_Magid1987/status/789884718011604993
David, Thailand says
“The civilians, some of whom look as young as eight…”
According to the British Home Office these would actually be as young as 3 or 4, given that kids age so rapidly under war zone conditions.
William Snow Hume says
Watch the video yourself: https://twitter.com/Dr_Magid1987/status/789884718011604993
caliph says
I had this thought – that all this Iraqi carnage is nothing but a planned collateral damage event. Why? To demonize those who oppose bringing in refugees, and provide justification to bring in countless muslim refugees in the near future. Do you want to have the deaths of hundreds of thousands MORE civilians on your head? Then show some compassion and let them come to USA. It is nothing but a plan to manipulate the public as the PTBs ( powers that be ) simply don’t care about the lives of the common man, except that those common lives can be useful to their plan, whether dead or alive.
umbra says
First and fore most, this carnage in iraq is a score settling exercise with ethnic subjugation (and cleansing to a degree) as the final outcome, for locals. Which ever side eventually wins, the other side would be screwed. Anything that has been (will be) derived from it (casualties, refugees, etc), other than the final outcome, are simply symptomatic results of the entire exercise. This situation is really no different to yemen or to a great extent, syria. They fight, they kill, they get exhausted, they rest and then they start all over again.
shia vs sunni, sunni vs shia. The never ending feud.
Gary says
“The torture and murder of unarmed civilians and children constitutes war crimes and crimes against humanity….”
….all the more reason U.S. Troops are the ONLY way of safely controlling and eliminating ISIS.
Ron says
I makes some sense on moral grounds. After all, it was us who created the maelstrom that is the Middle East. But bringing in thousands of Muslims would be suicidal for a Christian society. There is no religion on the planet more diametrically opposed to American values such as freedom of religion, freedom of speech and press, equality before the law, the dignity of women, prohibitions against cruel and unusual punishment, and mutual toleration.
The Middle East is comprised of a people with the highest rates of birth defects on the planet, due to consanguineous marriages for 1400 years and have an average I.Q. of 82. Of all the earth’s peoples, Muslims are uniquely unqualified to live among us.
Caliph says
Usa did not create the maelstrom in Middle East -but we did fan the flames.
I am opposed to bringing Muslim refugees to USA – as it will further destroy the USA.
Historically Immigrants come to USA for a better life, to learn to do things the USA way, but also keep parts of their original culture, the parts NOT in conflict with the BETTER USA way of doing things – THIS is assimilation, and it us good for USA. When immigrants come and want to change USA by not assimulating, ( like many Muslims do ) THIS dilutes the USA and slowly and insidiously destroys it – which is bad.
gravenimage says
Muslims slaughtering Muslims is par for the course in Islam. This was not something set up by the West.
But you are right that dhimmi fools in the West might use this to urge our taking in more of these dangerous barbarians.
Tom Thumb says
TO ROBERT AND COMPANY:
hi guys, I have been going at it with a bunch of Islam apologists concerning the foiled attack by some right wing retards who wanted to blow up an apartment building in Kansas filled with Somali immigrants. They seem to think this makes for moral equivalence with the Islamic Jihadists who do ACTUAL terror attacks. I want to throw the list of foiled jihadist attacks in the US over the past 10-15 years in their face that I know happen far more often than right wing ones. Anybody know where the list is? I’m sure Robert does, but I don’t know if he ever gets around to reading the comments section.
THANKS!
gravenimage says
Here’s the list of Jihad terror attacks since 9/11 on the Religion of Peace site:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/the-list.aspx
I find it is best to go through the site and make note of the worst of these attacks, or else those committed in the West.
You can also find the number of Jihad Terror attacks since 9/11 on the right-hand side or bottom of the page here (depending on your computer configuration). As of today, that ghastly figure is 29,519.
Good for you for making the case, Tom.
Tom Thumb says
Thanks Graven, I look at ROP all the time but didn’t know there was a list of FOILED attacks there.
gravenimage says
Glad to help.
Johan elzinga says
I wonder, dear commentors, if any of your anger, however justified as it is to my humble opinion, will result in any change when it stays in this comment sction. Let’s all make a point of it to give those views a wider audience. Write to anyone you know!
gravenimage says
Johan, many posters here do outreach, education, and actions well beyond this forum.
But even here, this is not just preaching to the choir. As Robert Spencer has reported, the readership of this blog is *huge*–many more people read at Jihad Watch than post. There is always a spike in readership after Jihad terror attacks, as more Infidels seek to learn about the threat of Islam.
William Snow Hume says
gravenimage is right about the effect of blogging on what I call “the invisible audience”. Now, it is important to keep in mind that it was an Iraqi Shi`ite militia that did this to fleeing Sunni youths. No US assistance was ever involved; the Shi`ite militias have been an “out of control” factor since they arose to fight the Islamic State. They are Iranian-funded and Iranian-“advised”. And before anyone has any “outrage” about this, consider reading my own “post”: https://www.facebook.com/williamsnowhume/posts/1150713305005186
gravenimage says
Thanks, William. Please see my post above on US backing in ousting ISIS. You are right, though, that Shia militias may have also been involved:
“Rogue Shiite Militias: We Will Fight to Liberate Mosul Without ‘Anyone’s Permission’?
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/10/18/iran-backed-leader-shiite-force-will-fight-liberate-mosul-without-anyones-permission/
There are multiple factions involved here.
But it certainly has been the case that those the US hoped to consider “freedom fighters” in the region have just been more Jihadis–this has b een the case, for instance, with the Al Nusra Front.
Robert DuPaul says
It’s depressing to think that the taxes we pay are being used to support act’s such as this! We should only be Allies and only support Nations with similar values. But unfortunately some in our government seems to be supporting this kind of behavior .
William Snow Hume says
The acts were performed by the Hashd al-Shaabi Shi`ite militia. It is not US-funded, and in fact is Iran-funded. Here is the video: https://twitter.com/Dr_Magid1987/status/789884718011604993
Peggy says
US has funded many of these IS groups. Who do you think sends weapons to “moderate” Muslims which end up in the hands of ISIS?
Hillary is funding IS and that’s not a secret so yes, US is involved in keeping IS going.
That’s not to say that US has instilled hatred in their hearts. This hatred was always there and the desire to kills us but the US has made this task a little easier.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“US has funded many of these IS groups. Who do you think sends weapons to “moderate” Muslims which end up in the hands of ISIS?”
Oh, so that’s the criteria for “funding” a group? Supplying weapons for someone else who then loses them (or “loses” them, whatever the case may be)? If you were to give money to a friend of yours who was then robbed and the thief used the money to buy drugs, should you be accused of funding the thief’s drug addiction?
And, of course, your mudslinging doesn’t even address what William Snow Hume wrote: that Iran-backed militias are behind this.
Funny how you just had to jump in to defend the honour of Iran and divert attention away. Not surprising, though.
Peggy says
Angemon said:
And, of course, your mudslinging doesn’t even address what William Snow Hume wrote: that Iran-backed militias are behind this.
Funny how you just had to jump in to defend the honour of Iran and divert attention away. Not surprising, though.
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You certainly jump to all sorts of conclusions. I never defended Iran nor would I so how do you get that from what I said?
The fact that the US supplies weapons to “moderate” Muslims and those weapons end up in radical hands means that US is funding ISIS because THERE ARE NO MODERATE MUSLIMS!!!. I thought you understood that.
They are funding IS directly but say that the weapons were never meant to go to IS.
Are you saying that US is not funding ISIS? It’s a well known fact and it seems that you haven’t got the memo yet. A bit behind times.
I am not saying that Iran isn’t mixed up in this too so stop putting words in my mouth.
Yes, Iran is involved but that is to be expected. What is inexcusable is US’s involvement.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“I never defended Iran nor would I so how do you get that from what I said?”
Huh, are you kidding me? Someone said that it was the Iranian-backed militias who comimtted these atrocities. You jumped in to shit attention away and blame the US for… well, something. The US did funded ISIS because groups they suppplied weapons to lost them to ISIS. What kind of insane logic is that?
“The fact that the US supplies weapons to “moderate” Muslims and those weapons end up in radical hands means that US is funding ISIS ”
No, it means that the US is funding allegedly moderate groups. Whatever happens to the equipment supplied afterwards is NOT responsibility of the US, is it?
Seriously, are you arguing that the US is supplying ISIS because they supply groups that are allegedly fighting against ISIS? Do you have any idea how insane that sounds?
“THERE ARE NO MODERATE MUSLIMS!!!. I thought you understood that.”
Are you telling me that no muslim worldwide is lax in their religion? One would think that, if that were the case, the whole islamic world would be rallying up as one against the non-muslim world and that the situation would be much dire. Also, you’re throwing Assad under the bus – by your logic he can’t be anything else than a “radical” muslim.
“They are funding IS directly but say that the weapons were never meant to go to IS.”
Citation needed. Also, nice flip-flopping.
“Are you saying that US is not funding ISIS?”
I’m saying that your had to go through a twisted and tortured logic to make that libelous accusation.
“ It’s a well known fact”
And yet, you can’t provide any evidence to it – first you claim that American weapons ending in the hands of ISIS is proof that the US are funding ISIS, then you claim that the US is supplying groups knowing those supplies will end up in the hands of ISIS, and finally you claim that the US is supplying ISIS.
Make up your damn mind before trying to chastise me for no good reason, mkay?
“and it seems that you haven’t got the memo yet. A bit behind times.”
Then by all means, show us this alleged memo. Or is saying “The US is supplying ISIS” all you have?
“I am not saying that Iran isn’t mixed up in this too so stop putting words in my mouth.”
Lol! On the same post you claim I was “putting words in your mouth” you put words in my mouth! You lie – anyone reading my post can clearly see I never wrote that you said Iran wasn’t mixed up in this. I wrote, and I quote:
Hypocrisy much? Putting words in my mouth while accusing me of doing so when I clearly didn’t?
“Yes, Iran is involved but that is to be expected. What is inexcusable is US’s involvement.”
Dual standards much? You’re OK with Iranians and Iranian-backed forces, which are allegedly fighting against ISIS, torturing civilians in ISIS-styled fashion but you draw the line at US-backed forces losing weapons to ISIS? Well, I’m sure that the people tortured by Iran-backed militias appreciate your concern for their well-being…
Oh, and do you have someting to say regarding Russian envolvement? Or is all your venom directed at the US, possibly for another reason?
Ron says
Islam is a deadly opportunistic disease, yet our leaders insist it is a peaceful religion. Islam promotes violence, yet they tell us of the wonders of diversity. Islam is totally intolerant, yet we are told to tolerate them. We know that homogeneous societies are happier than culturally and racially mixed ones, yet we insist on the latter. They insist that all people are equal, but we know that the average I.Q. i the Middle East is 82, and they have the highest rate of birth defects on the planet.
Puck, a character in a Midsummer Nights Dream: “What fools these mortals be.”
tgusa says
The silence of the anti war we care about humanity crowd as we have seen these war crimes increase is deafening.
Hope and Change?
Jack Diamond says
It’s called selective outrage, they are only outraged by what serves as evidence for their cause. Not “humanity” at all…nothing new under the sun.
duh swami says
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail…
There are US military advisers with the Iraqi army…do they do anything to stop these atrocities, or have they been told to ‘stand down’?
William Snow Hume says
The acts were performed by the Hashd al-Shaabi Militia, which is beyond the control of the Iraqi army. Here is a video: https://twitter.com/Dr_Magid1987/status/789884718011604993
duh swami says
Nuking Mecca won’t end jihad, but killing Allah might if we can find out where the bastard is hiding…
Florida Jim says
Does this prove that all muslims should be sent to the Mideast and suffer with other muslims who are inhuman? Stop importing any and deport all who do not forsake Islam and assimilate at once.
TopDrifter says
These “evil things” are all over the world and it will take a very concentrated effort by a very determined and dedicated entity to eradicate this evil shit from the world. Like cockroaches they exist and will continue to exist because like the roaches these evil things have learned to survive by becoming invisible when they need to. We can only rid our houses of these nasty, evil things and hope everyone else does the same and maybe it can be contained before it erupts into a world power such as it is right now. People must become aware of these evil beings coming into their realms. The governments of the world are facilitating the distribution of this evil to every civilized country and nation in the world. Look at Europe, infested with this evil shit and we here in America are being attacked and killed by this evil shit weekly. We must arm ourselves and protect ourselves, our families, friends and neighbors from this evil shit that keeps attacking and demanding from us. Our own stupid government give these people thousands of our tax dollars so they (the evil) can assimilate and settle into America and practice and grow their evil. Beware the Islamic Caliphate, it’s arrived in America and slowly growing by adding the weak minded losers to embrace Islam and become somebody.
David says
I guess it’s a Damn good thing the I’m not the President.
I would have vaporized these ass holes long ago, in an ATOMIC FIREBALL!
And then slept peaceful at night.
Cheers! ?
BLC says
In the Nuremberg trials, Nazis were convicted of acting as though they had no souls, no conscience.
So many Muslims hide behind religion to commit acts that are as bad as or worse than what the Nazis did. Then they say it’s their religion and Allah commands them to do this.
Surely someone in the civilized world must stand up to them and let them know that religion or no religion, Allah or no Allah, they are not going to get away with this.
Religions are all rooted in faith anyway. No one can know for a scientific fact whether God exists. People can only believe by faith, yet here you have a whole religion of people perpetrating heinous crimes on other people they call “infidels” as though the perpetrators were judge, jury and executioner. This is preposterous.
Lodesman says
Allow not one more Muslim into civilization.Demolish all Mosques in the West. Deport all of them in the West back to where they came from. Those born in the West must conform to Western culture and law and all barbaric culture banned.
Ron says
I’d like nothing more than to repatriate every Muslim who claims allegiance to the Koran, a mindless, endlessly repetitive and unending rambling of an illiterate man guilty of murder, pedophilia and dismemberment of those who offend Allah.
Islam is the perfect parasite. It has nothing to contribute, but demands to be accommodated. It is intolerant but demands to be tolerated. It despises those who give it succor, then demands more. It is a mental disease which can never be eradicated, but wants to eradicate those with enough sense to recognize it as a huge force for evil in the world.
David says
Obama the muslim.
Obama is a TRAITOR to this country and should be tried as a War Criminal as soon as power is again restored to the people.
After all his lies, when I finally saw those photos of the young Barry Obama in native Jihadist clothing, I nearly vomited.
The name Obama (and Hillary! ) will go down in history as the worst beast since Adolf Hitler.
Maybe God will show him some mercy. But the people he has betrayed never will.
Hector Archytas says
The solution is to apply the method of the Koran and to talk the way of the Koran to the Mohamedan to help the communication. It also need to claim our war as religious so as their defeat got a religious meaning.
If the colonisation was frame as a religious war, and Islam forbidden and punished by an extra tax on the mohamedan refusing conversion to Deism or Christianism, it would have die out 100 years ago.
Japanese are the opposite of Muslim in all aspects. Nuclear -> Apocalypse -> More jihadist martyr.
It needs a new religion putting together modern minds either former Mohammedan or westerner in a jointed cultural framework.
Then, a new religious should be ready to be supported by war n with drome and robot, ready to suicide in martyrdom for the glory of their creators and claiming “The Universal Programmer is the biggest while exploding”.
WE were doing a lot better against Mohamedan when we were unified into a religion remembered Charles Martel in 732 than now weak as pagan were with many religions, religious freedom, freedom of expression to the point than people can claim to the right to exterminate us (I am French) as coming from Allah, the creator…
Sibila says
What the heck? This ‘news’ show something totally opposite:
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMpuiPfcvcY&w=560&h=315%5D
“”Girl, 10, tells a soldier ‘I thought you’d never come’
Young girl and her mother safely evacuated by Iraqi Army
‘I thought you’d never come’: Emotional moment girl, 10, is saved from the clutches of barbaric ISIS fighters who murdered her dad
Little Aysha, 10, from Kafer, Iraq, went three days without food or water
She was rescued by soldiers as there were IS fighters in her village
Her village, near Mosul, has been under the control of IS since 2014″”
And it further says how Shite and Sunni Iraqi soldiers fought together for Mosul showing unity and certainty for Iraqi future and liberating 59 villages around Mosul and killing 473 ISIS militiamen …… hmmmmmmm …. to finish off with news that after that ISIS viciously counterattacked from neighbouring Kirkuk.
Peggy says
Angemon says
October 25, 2016 at 7:10 am
P.S.:
“So really, who cares who’s worse, Assad or Bin Laden. ”
I care. Religious minorities in Syria care. Everyone should care. Including you, seeing how you’re arguing that people like Assad are the alternative to people like Bin Laden.
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Yes I am arguing that people like Assad are a better alternative for non Muslims in the ME than Bin Laden.
If you disagree, then please elaborate on that. I explained why I believe that but you haven’t explained why you don’t.
Again, don’t twist my words. I am not saying that one is good and one is bad. I am saying that one is better for non Muslims than the other, just to be perfectly clear.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Yes I am arguing that people like Assad are a better alternative for non Muslims in the ME than Bin Laden.”
Clearly you are not familiarized with Assad’s record…
“If you disagree, then please elaborate on that. I explained why I believe that but you haven’t explained why you don’t.”
You have spewed generic platitudes that are not grounded in reality. Assad, like Saddam and Gaddafi, did not ” keep Islmists in check”, they supported islamic groups just as long as they were acting outside their country. Assad let salafis speak in mosques just as long they directed jihad agains thte US in Iraq. Do you think that Syrian muslims who made their way to wage jihad in Iraq were kind to Iraqi non-muslims? Do you think that letting salafis preach openly in Syria ensured Assad that they wouldn’t turn on him? For f***’s sake, back in 2011 Assad granted known, dangerous islamists amnesty knowing they’d immediately turn on him just so he could claim that the rebellion he had in hands was the work of “terrorists”. How do you think that turned out for non-muslims in Syria?
“Again, don’t twist my words. I am not saying that one is good and one is bad. I am saying that one is better for non Muslims than the other, just to be perfectly clear.”
I don’t need to twist your words to prove you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Peggy says
This is what I said:’
So really, who cares who’s worse, Assad or Bin Laden. The only question we need to ask is who’s best for non Muslims.
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Angemon, please quote me in context if you wish to reply to that particular part. Don’t quote out of context in order to make it look like I said something I didn’t.
By quoting me out of context you have proved that you will use any dirty trick to disqualify my statement. You just can’t help yourself.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Angemon, please quote me in context if you wish to reply to that particular part.”
I didn’t quote you out of context. You wrote:
I replied to that with:
And I stand by what I said. Assad was no legitimate leader. The Syrian civil was was not started by the US. There are Syrians fighting against Assad. ISIS was not created/funded by the US, ISIS is the result of people like Saddam and Assad playing with fire and empowering islamists. They were appeasing crocodiles, and now the crocodiles are starving.
“Don’t quote out of context in order to make it look like I said something I didn’t.”
Which I didn’t. Claiming that I did makes you either a very stupid person or a liar. And given your track record, I’ll go with liar.
“By quoting me out of context”
Again: I didn’t.
“you have proved that you will use any dirty trick to disqualify my statement. You just can’t help yourself.”
And there you go with personal attacks. I didn’t quote you out of context. You are lying.
Peggy says
Angemon,
This is what you claim I was saying:
Lol! On the same post you claim I was “putting words in your mouth” you put words in my mouth! You lie – anyone reading my post can clearly see I never wrote that you said Iran wasn’t mixed up in this. I wrote, and I quote:
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And, of course, your mudslinging doesn’t even address what William Snow Hume wrote: that Iran-backed militias are behind this.
Funny how you just had to jump in to defend the honour of Iran and divert attention away. Not surprising, though.
Angemon says
October 25, 2016 at 9:39 am
Peggy posted:
“I never defended Iran nor would I so how do you get that from what I said?”
Huh, are you kidding me? Someone said that it was the Iranian-backed militias who comimtted these atrocities. You jumped in to shit attention away and blame the US for… well, something. The US did funded ISIS because groups they suppplied weapons to lost them to ISIS. What kind of insane logic is that?
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First, I never disputed that Iran backed this or other horrors. I pointed out that the weapons used are usually US supplied weapons to what the US claims are moderate muslims. Where did I defend Iran’s honour? Seriously, how can anything I said be defending Iran’s honour. Which part exactly suggest that?
Maybe that’s how you like to read it but you are wrong.
It is widely accepted that Hillary created ISIS and has funded them. Hillary is part of the government, isn’t she?
For someone who claims that he regularly criticises US government, you sure are quick enough to get angry when I point out the truth which is unpleasant.
If you still refuse to believe that the US is funding and supporting ISIS then take it up with Robert Spencer himself.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/media-in-frenzy-over-trump-claim-that-obama-and-hillary-founded-isis-ignores-dia-document-showing-how-they-did
Now adding other players doesn’t mean I am diverting attention from Iran but widening the conversation.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“First, I never disputed that Iran backed this or other horrors. ”
You came in, in response to William Snow Hume saying “The acts were performed by the Hashd al-Shaabi Shi`ite militia. It is not US-funded, and in fact is Iran-funded”, to blatantly talk about the alleged sins of the US. If that’s not meant to divert attention away from Iran then by all means, please explain your goal because it sure wasn’t about discussing the role of Iran in Syria.
“I pointed out that the weapons used are usually US supplied weapons to what the US claims are moderate muslims. ”
Was that what happened in that specific case? If not, why bring it up? Because it seems you were going for something along the line of the “but the Crusades!” islamo-apologism. “Muslims are killing people because of their religion”. “Yeah, but the Crusades, man! Christians killed for their religion to!”. “This torture of Christians was the work of Iran-backed militias”. “B-b-b-but the US, man! They backed ISIS, who is also torturing Christians!”
“Where did I defend Iran’s honour? Seriously, how can anything I said be defending Iran’s honour. Which part exactly suggest that?”
Again: why were you so quick to bring alleged US sins when this barbaric acts were committed by Iran-backed militias? If not to divert attention away, then why? Aren’t Iran-backed militias working with Assad? Weren’t you arguing that Assad was better for non-muslims than bin Laden?
“Maybe that’s how you like to read it but you are wrong.”
Nope. That you haven’t offered an explanation to the questions above is evidence that I am right.
“It is widely accepted ”
600 years ago was “widely accepted” that the Earth was flat. Appeal to numbers, besides being islamic orthodoxy (“my ummah will never agree on an error”) is a logical fallacy. People in large numbers can be wrong, and often they are. Being “widely accepted” is not the same as being truth. It’s “widely accepted” that people like Geert Wilders, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, etc, and “anti-muslim bigots”, “racists” and “hatemongers”. Do you think they’re anything of the sort?
“that Hillary created ISIS and has funded them. Hillary is part of the government, isn’t she?”
ISIS is the result of the policies of local tyrants, such as Saddam and Assad. The people who claim that Hillary/the US government created and funded ISIS are muslims looking to defend islam, anti-American bigots, tinfoil hat conspiracy nuts or ignoramuses.
“For someone who claims that he regularly criticises US government, ”
I don’t need to “claim”, my posts are proof enough. Do you deny that I routinely and harshly criticize the American government and its policies?
“you sure are quick enough to get angry”
Which I’m not. I know, from how often you do it, that you like to claim people who criticise you are “angry” or “can’t help themselves”, but that’s just ad hominems passing as rebutting someone’s arguments. What does claiming I’m “angry” adds to the conversation? Nothing. Does it rebut anything I wrote? Nope.
“when I point out the truth which is unpleasant.”
Where have you done such a thing? You’ve lied and talked about things you’re clearly ignorant about.
“If you still refuse to believe that the US is funding and supporting ISIS then take it up with Robert Spencer himself.”
From the article you linked to:
“Now adding other players doesn’t mean I am diverting attention from Iran but widening the conversation.”
No, it means you’re still engaging on kicking up sand. You don’t deny that this incident in particular was done by Iran-backed shiite militias working with Assad. All your talk about ISIS and Hillary is simply you trying to run away, seeing how this incident clearly undermines your assertion that having Assad, the man who let dangerous islamists out of jail to claim that the protests against him were the work of terrorists, in power would be better for non-muslims.