“Yasir Mohib denies a hammer was involved but admits assaulting his wife….But he fears his family will be punished too if it means he is deported to Pakistan. His family do not want to be split up and deportation would mean his two New Zealand-born wives and their five Kiwi children would go with him.”
Now wait a minute. Polygamy is ostensibly illegal in New Zealand. Why does the NZ Herald report matter-of-factly that this wife-beater has two wives, as if it were the most ordinary thing in the world? This article is a superb example of how thoroughly compromised the mainstream media is in the English-speaking world. Here is a man who admits to having assaulted one of his wives, and is openly breaking New Zealand law regarding polygamy, and he is the victim in this piece. One thing you can say for the mainstream media: they’re consistent.
“Hammer assault case: Yasir Mohib fears for family’s future,” by Jared Savage and Phil Taylor, NZ Herald, October 3, 2016 (thanks to Rob):
An Auckland man whose discharge without conviction for beating his wife with a hammer has been overturned says he fears the consequences for his family.
Yasir Mohib denies a hammer was involved but admits assaulting his wife. The facts of the case are that the assault occurred after she complained they weren’t holding hands while watching a movie together.
He told the Herald today he was “disappointed” the decision to discharge him had been overruled by the High Court but was prepared to accept his punishment.
But he fears his family will be punished too if it means he is deported to Pakistan. His family do not want to be split up and deportation would mean his two New Zealand-born wives and their five Kiwi children would go with him.
He is from the troubled Kashmir region. They want to raise their children in New Zealand because opportunities would be greater here for them, he and his wives said.
“If I did wrong I should be punished for it but not my whole family,” Mohib told the Herald.
“That’s my only point, that it could affect my whole family, my five little kids, my wives. There is no way we are going to be separated. So if I get deported it means all of these guys need to go to Pakistan.”…

Linde Barrera says
This guy must be the result of “first cousin marriage”. He worries about deportation now, after he assaults his wife? Idiot!
mortimer says
Why is a polygamist not in jail? Why was allowed in in the first place. What is the value this IMMORAL IDIOT brings to New Zealand besides more work for the LEGAL SYSTEM?
Guest says
Here’s the original article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11720158
“Legally married to the victim, mother of their 3 children. Has a second “wife” whom he married in a religious ceremony.”
There is nothing stopping people doing that. Making it illegal to ‘fake marry’ someone in any kind of ceremony would be tricky, as many people in NZ live together without legal marriage.
Unfortunately, these ‘wives’ would be entitled to benefits in our system!
Islam the religion of killers says
As a courier, I see into the open plan social welfare building, there in front of a representative is two muslima’s, full head to toe regalia, black, with only the slits for eyes ..
No doubt demanding their money because they are unemployed, or what ever reason..
Who in their right mind would give them a job, so yes Guest ,,,, leaning on the hardworking taxpayer again
Thomas says
What I see in that picture doesn’t belong in New Zealand.
Manuele says
JUST DEPORT THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM. TH MUSLIMS WILL NOT AND OR DON’T ABIDE BY ANY COUNTRY’S LAW AND ORDER. I SAY KICK THE BASTARDS OUT OF AOTEAROA.
Custos Custodum says
Polygamy is illegal in most of Pakistan other than “tribal” areas.
The legal system in many Western countries carefully ignores the fact that Pakistan and other Muslim countries do NOT recognize polygamy, and do NOT recognize religious marriage ceremonies. Only registered civil marriages are recognized.
Ironically, it is ONLY “tolerant,” “understanding” Western countries that quietly recognize polygamy among Muslims.
gravenimage says
Custos, polygamy in Pakistan *is* restricted–but only to Muslim men:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Pakistan
Custos Custodum says
Oops – I stand corrected.
It does seem that the man is required to get permission from the wife and/or her family:
http://www.vakilno1.com/saarclaw/pakistan/muslim-family-laws-ordinance-1961.html#6_Polygamy
harbidoll says
permission?. riiight. “Hammer time”!
skai says
polygamy is allowed in all Muslim countries . Mo-ham-mad himself had 13 wives in his life time .
WHY says
May be taking a hammer to a woman must be tolerated now….
Debbie says
Deport the whole family!
Kunal says
I pity the kiwi “wives” who were easily brainwashed to live together with this swine muslim.
Panda says
So the two women and all the kids are Kiwis? NO, they are not — they are muslims. You want to be with this pig? Enjoy Kashmir. Interesting to note that two of the ‘kids’ are already wearing head coverings — are these the girls? Look at it this way, if they go, that’s eight less.
Cynthia in California says
That’s how many I count, too. Bye-bye!
Islam the religion of killers says
Kick the eight of them out, this type of behaviour has no place in New Zealand..
They will all be on the Social Welfare so it’s not like there is any loss to the country.
Polygamy is illegal in NZ, they should not have been allowed to emigrate and live here in the first place.
The immigration worker should also be brought to task as to why they signed the paperwork allowing them in..
Jaladhi says
In the first place why has NZ allowed these people to come n?? All the way from ME to the other end of the world. These people consider it as their duty to spread Islam and make dar al harb into dar al Islam, so they will travel to the other end of the universe. Its for us not to let them come in!! They are the trojan horse of Islam for which we will pay with our lives!1
Pong says
Polygamy is the least problem with islam. It is not easy to have 2 wives in the western country. The second one usually brought from the country of origin. The main problem is social security and child allowance payments.
In NZ they have a good system of policing social security fraud, if they have the will to use it with moslems.
Mr Twister says
I disagree, where do you think the excess supply of unaccompanied invaders/rapists to Euripe come from?
Take 100 moslems, 50 male 50 female, allow 10 of the males upto 4 wives, that leaves 40 males fighting over 10 females!….
Or with the energy and time to head into Europe!!
Polygamy has a MASSIVE part to play in the overall JIHAD, If you don’t mind!
Scout Wellsrain says
^ THIS is the key. And it is also behind the aggressive of Islam and all the rapes and ficki ficki. Young men, controlled this way by sexual repression and the fact that on their societies only the older, wealthier men having access to women, is THE CORE REASON islam acts the way it does.
WHY says
Think of the welfare that could be saved
skai says
Muslims all over the non-muslim countries are mostly on welfare benefits .
Jaladhi says
Unless the West starts deporting these scumbags, they will continue their barbaric behavior in the West also. Let them go back to their hellholes and they inflict as many atrocities on their families as they want. Not here!1
ElderlyZionist says
“His family do not want to be split up and deportation would mean his two New Zealand-born wives and their five Kiwi children would go with him.”
Ship him out! Ship him out! I’ll buy his airplane ticket. The wives will follow with their kids, so you’ll get at least three-for-one bang for the buck, maybe more. How many wives does he have, anyway?
Guest says
No, they won’t follow. They will get social welfare benefits and bring their kids up to be muslims. Depressing but true.
J-A palmaer says
“That’s my only point, that it could affect my whole family, my five little kids, my wives. There is no way we are going to be separated. So if I get deported it means all of these guys need to go to Pakistan.”…
This guy is perfectly correct! He should go to Pakistan, seeing his friends there…and bring up the family in a more pious environment than N.Z. I don’t think it is proper to export what is normal in Pakistan to countries like N.Z. …is this guy bipolar or something?
Mo says
Kids always suffer for the stupid choices of their parents. It’s sad, but that’s life. If the authorities had followed the law and not allowed him in with two wives in the first place, that would’ve solved the problem.
As to wanting to raise their kids in NZ because of the opportunities, how brazen! You don’t want to obey the laws of the land you’ve chosen to live in, but you want to take advantage of the opportunities? Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Although I do feel sorry for these children, this is how things should be. These parents should’ve thought of that beforehand. Especially that vile man for beating his wife.
Actions have consequences. That’s life.
Jay Boo says
I am not going to say that the Serpent of Satan (Muhammad) was a multi-wife beater and a sex-slaver too.
I will leave that part out about Muhammad’s unmitigated disgrace and take the high road this time.
WHY says
he has the opportunity to use a hammer on his wife
Michael Laudahn says
The quoted newspaper, the New Zealand Herland, entertains a ‘diversity, ethnic affairs and immigration senior reporter’ called Lincoln Tan. Google him. Maybe this explains part of the story.
Michael Laudahn says
‘Herland’? Herald of course
eur says
Deport them all. Pakistan is their homeland , there they can live free like muslim , he can beats their wives or whatever he wants. children are not guilty .. but will be Muslims in the future and will do the same as his father, polygamy, beat their wives …. and destroy the social system of that country.
They belong to the ummah, the ummah must support them, not west.
JAR says
Great photo to accompany the story. Perhaps the wife on the left should also dress up like a bank robber so she doesn’t get a beating, too.
What would their family bedtime story be? “Hessa Has Two Mamas”?
Mister Mohib may fear for the consequences of his family, but if he is really using a hammer–on second thought, with or without hammers–maybe the family should fear for the consequences of the family.
Despite his claims for more opportunities in NZ, I’m guessing the fam would fit right in in Pakistan.
WHY says
No… Goat love, or how to beat your wife, clitiroectomies are us, or how to discipline your wife with a hammer
underbed cat says
Re-population would not take long as refugees and multiple wives and children are central to the civilization jjjjiiiihhhaaaaddd, patience future planning….but any of this should be seen as it is….to eventually out number, out vote, out organize out destroy the host country. But who would believe it?
The plan is as old as the hills …..and that is why they never run out of soldiers for the cause.
KrazyKafir says
If they were Mormons, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be charges of bigamy. The western elites are terrified of Muslims
t. says
Exactly, KrazyKafir, that’s what I was thinking too! This is not the first time that Muslim polygamy is not only tolerated but paid for by social aid. Just a few weeks ago, there was a news item a bout a Muslim man who was sick to work but not so to have several wives, with 20 children in total! I think this was in Norway if I am not mistaken. The other case was in Britain where this Muslim man with his several wives and children, living on welfare which paid for each one of his wives, who were all living in the same house!!
When it comes to non Muslims, the law becomes stiffer and grows shark teeth. For example,there was a case against two Mormon men, who lived with their wives in some rural area, with many, many children, quietly minding their own affairs, in British Columbia, Canada, in which authorities persisted during many years, trying to bring charges against them, simply on the basis that polygamy is not permitted under the law.
J-pal says
…having many wives, being “sick” (but not to sick to produce children?)…living on what other people worked for… all this to finally OUTNUMBER the local population! This is going on i Sweden, too! Now, isn’t it time to wake up! The “survival of the fittest” in this context means the stealing of children’s candy! And the elderly people of Sweden, who worked hard and suffered through years of labor, is forced to pay! Now, the Norwegians are rich, why it is an attractive country – especially for thieves and lazy people!!!
Rob says
Both wives are described as ‘NZ’ (or the folksy colloquial ‘Kiwi’).
The one who speaks has a discernible NZ accent and we can assume the 2nd marriage was contracted in NZ.
Westman says
HE says the NZ-born wives and children will have to go to Pakistan if he’s deported. The old twist-and-turn, “look what you’ll(I’ll) do if you dare to hold me acountable”, routine.
The wives are NZ citizens and he says they would willingly go to a crappy life of poverty in Pakistan? I’m betting that he is illegally in NZ or overstayed his work permit. When a liberal country like NZ doesn’t want you, there is more to the story.
Ginger says
That’s assuming he works and is not on welfare like most of them. I looked for a mention of a job and there isn’t one.
Bob says
Disgusting, he has 2 wives and no Job, plus 5 kids, guess Welfare system works well for him. Welfare is Jiziyaa from the Kaffirs suck the system dry, Muslims are famous for being on Welfare and sucking the system dry. Why isn’t he being charged with Bigamy, just because he is Muslim what happened to the laws of New Zealand?
Jay Boo says
Why is one wife covered?
Is she a Kiwi kidnap victim?
Does her worried parents know where she is?
Ellen says
Well, think before you do, and when you can’t take the consequences, so go with the family home and letthem tell everybody thatnyou are the scumbag.
eur says
Muslim patriarchy, subjugation and submission of women.. Some mormons in the US also practice polygamy but they cultivated land and are farmers, they keep themselves… the polygamy is horrible … but do not depend on anyone. Muslims polygamists in the West live on social welfare, they can not hold themselves to their family. They are a plague.
Polygamy is only possible in societies of shepherds and farmers, what the Muslims do in the West is abusing social benefits.
gravenimage says
eur, the mainstream Mormon Church (Church of Latter Day Saints) rejected polygamy over a century ago. Those who practice it today are a small splinter sect not recognized by the main church.
https://www.mormon.org/faq/practice-of-polygamy
davej says
First openly defy the law and customs of the host country (polygamy and wife beating).
Then claim victimhood: “If I did wrong”…
NZ has 5 Muslims too many.
Kunal says
Wives??? Why did u allow them in nz. I wanted to go to new Zealand for further studied… didn’t know there were muslims too. Gotta look for some other place now..
And because of 1 man there are 7 muslim now.. you see why Islam is the fastest growing religion of “peace” now. And how stupid could a kiwi be to accept Islam after knowing that swine Pakistani had a wife already.. shame
t. says
Sorry, Kunal, you have to look for a remote small Island in the pacific to go to and further your studies!
Kunal says
Lol… they are everywhere!
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
“The victim, his wife Fatimah, also told the Herald that no weapon was involved. She said the hammer came to be part of the statement of facts put before the court because of pressure from members of the wider family.” There must be an untold story about this “wider family” and their hammer obsession. See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw67Kv-d5ZU
Are these polygamists crypto-Mormons? The photograph proves that they are certainly not Muslims. The wife on the left allows herself to be photograph with her entire face lasciviously exposed, provoking sexual frenzy in any male who views her. And the man himself is openly practicing isbaal; see
https://islamqa.info/en/762
Send these poor, benighted people to a land where they all — both adults and children — can be given proper instruction in the sharia lifestyle.
Charli Main says
This Paki is not a good Muslim as he appears to be failing in his duty to breed for Islam.
He only has two wives and five Musrats. A good Muslim would have four wives and twenty-five Musrats.
Kunal says
You never know what his intentions are..
Guest says
Where was that concern when he hurt his wife?
Ginger says
How on earth was he discharged by the lower court?
Rob says
Not sure about that but clearly the Police (in conjunction with the Crown Prosecutor) thought the discharge was inappropriate.
The Prosecutor appealed and the higher court agreed.
Of course there could be a further appeal and deportation is subject to review by a separate appeals body.
Baucent says
The full news reports a female judge at the lower court discharged with out conviction as she was concerned that this would result in the man’s deportation by the Immigration Department. The higher court judge said she had made a mistake in even considering the possibility of deportation and further more the photographic evidence of the woman’s injuries were consistent with a hammer being used and as such it was a “serious assault”.
Mickey says
Deport ’em. Not deporting him (and his family if necessary) is a green light for more beatings.
Stephen Slater says
http://www.snopes.com/muslim-soda-food-stamps/
Edie says
He should be sent to jail and then back to His own country where they accept this barbaric behavior ! 2 wives is illegal here and so is beating an innocent victim. Suppose she’s the one with that black thing covering her beaten face . Coward that you are should be covering your own evil face!
Zippza says
“would mean his two New Zealand-born wives and their five Kiwi children would go with him.”
And take your Koran with you, you Muslim piece of s***
And the same applies to all Muslims like this bringing backward bull**** into the modern world.
God, I’m SICK of Islam.
Kunal says
Not just you my friend most of the Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in India are.. Pakistan is our neighbor unfortunately
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Send them all to the Muslim shithole of their choosing. Pakistan sounds about right. Beating the shit out of your wife, or wives in this guy’s case, is standard operating procedure in the Muslim world. Chapter 4:34 of the Unholy koran commands this behaviour. We need to make an example here. These invaders are savages. They adhere to a savage ideology. We need to start treating them like the savages they so clearly are.
Ron Mitchinson says
Kick them all out. He and they should have thought about it before he did the deed. Pakistan may be too nice for them. Send them to Syria.
Kunal says
Absolutely!
Kunal says
Never thought kiwis to be so stupid to marry a muslim
Charli Main says
These women are not Kiwis. It appears that both women are Muslims born in NZ.
gravenimage says
New Zealand Muslim who assaulted wife fears deportation: “it could affect my whole family, my five little kids, my wives”
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This thug is openly admitting he is a polygamist and wife beater–but then pleads “family values” in a bid to avoid deportation? Muslims are shameless.
Angemon says
One would think that the woman he attacked with a hammer would be better as a consequence of his deportation.
Ask for a show of love, get a hammer to the head – religion of peace indeed…
“Would mean”? New-Zealand born wives and Kiwi children – they don’t have to go with him if they don’t want to. He was judged and convicted, not them. And so what if they do want to go with him? Let them go. I don’t see anything wrong with that. What, he’s implying that Pakistan is worse than New Zealand? Why, that racist, islamophobic bigot!
I’d say that forcing them to stay with someone with a history of domestic violence and spouse abuse is punishing to them.
No, your point is using the person you assaulted as leverage to avoid being deported. It’s no different in nature than spinsters praying God not to give them a husband to but to give a son-in-law to their mothers. If you’re set up for deportation and your family wants to follow along, so be it – New Zealand won’t be any worse for losing 7 muslims for the price of one. If your family doesn0t want to follow along, I hope you have skype in Kashmir.
abad says
What in hell is this guy and his family doing in New Zealand???
They deserve to be deported back to their third-world Muslim nation of Pakistan. All of them.
t. says
There are many Muslim families like them, in New Zealand. Sorry to disappoint you, abad!
Damocles Junior says
100% Pure Green NZ, so goes the NZ tourist spin, pristine forests, unspoiled nature and so on. The illusion is quickly dispelled as soon as you get of the plane at Auckland Airport, Muzzies everywhere including your taxi driver. It is absolutely sickening. They are ruining that nation with their Pakistani and other Asian immigration. They all seem to live in the slums of South Auckland that you will inevitably drive through. Wake up NZ, these people are not helping your nation one little bit. Deport this criminal and his whole family to send out the clear message that this type of conduct is unacceptable in what used to be one of the worlds most civilised countries.
Karen says
“If I did wrong…”. Yes, *if*, har har. Don’t be decent enough to admit your guilt, Mr. Mohib, only a real man would do that. Perhaps wife(s) beating is just one of those bizarre cultural differences you can’t be expected to understand. Moron.
Boo hoo, and good riddance to you. Too bad you’re selfish enough to drag your innocent family back to the old home town.
Brien Doyle says
Usual ‘cake and eat it’ routine!
Obey our laws or 1. leave, 2. go to jail!
J-pal says
…the “covered one” was hammered with the Truth!
Madeleine says
In the US in Immigration law, this is called a Waiver or a 601. I have written many of these and have been successful in achieving the waiver for qualified and deserving immigrants who have US spouses and children. These waivers are not easy to obtain in the US. The alien must prove that he or she is of good moral character, has no criminal record except for perhaps a traffic ticket, etc. It must also be proved that there is a driving force that precludes the alien to be deported or that there is a driving force to preclude the US spouse/ children to travel back with the alien to his/ her home country.
The cases I have worked on involved aliens who came to the US legally on visas but overstayed after they were married and had tried countlessly to have their status adjusted, legally.
I have NEVER worked on a case in the US that involved an alien with multiple wives. I doubt I would have been successful in having such a case adjudicated to the alien’s benefit.
601 Waiver briefs are more art than law, that is, research and make your pitch. But that having been said, one in the US (at least so far) could never argue two wives as the entire argument must comport with US laws.
I will be very curious to see the outcome of the Kiwi case.
Karen says
Madeline, here’s hoping you never see such as case, or other instances of the government turning a blind eye to polygamy.
Karen says
Apologies, I meant ‘Madeleine’.
Madeleine says
No worries.
Peter Clemerson says
As a marriage celebrant in New Zealand, I am at a loss to understand how the husband obtained a license for the second marriage, assuming that one had actually been issued. Unless one or other of the parties lied when making a statutory declaration describing the husband’s marital status when applying for the license, it would be impossible to get one. Making a false statutory declaration is punishable by imprisonment or a fine. If the second marriage took place with a registered marriage celebrant officiating, the celebrant would also be liable to imprisonment if he knew the license had been obtained as the consequence of a false statutory declaration.
Alternatively, although the second wife is referred to in the article as a wife, there might never have been a marriage according to New Zealand law. Perhaps an Imam officiated at a religious ceremony which was not a marriage according to New Zealand law. This would not stop pious Muslims referring to themselves as married presumably.
If Jared Savage and Phil Taylor wish to cover themselves with journalistic glory, they should investigate further to find out which of these alternatives occurred. They could also ascertain what welfare arrangements had allowed all eight of the family to live under one roof. Although it might seem intrusive, it is a matter of public interest, given the unusual and possibly criminal circumstances.
Rob says
Are you seriously suggesting that the NZ media would bother to highlight these issues?
While the rest of the Western world is slowly waking out of its cultural relativist mindset, NZ continues to wallow.
It is what i call the ‘New Zealand, you’ve stuffed up again!’ approach.
Anything to let NZ be seen as the brutal repressor of the innocent victims.
Peter, there is a followup story in the Herald. The 2nd marriage was a religious one.
I would be interested to learn how much pw in state benefits this menage receives.
Damocles Junior says
Hello Peter;
It is good to see that there is at least one person in NZ with some standing in the community reading Jihad Watch.
My understanding of the situation herein Sydney is that 2nd and 3rd marriages as well as child bride marriages are usually solemnised back in Lebanon, the second wives etc come back here and live off welfare.
One Muslim cleric here was actually jailed for performing these illegal marriages here in Sydney.
Peter Clemerson says
“One Muslim cleric here was actually jailed for performing these illegal marriages here in Sydney.”
Very interesting. At http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/child-bride-case-man-jailed-for-marrying-12yearold-girl-in-backyard-ceremony-20150306-13xa99.html, I found this: “In March 2014, Tasawar, 35, pleaded guilty to the offence of solemnisation of a marriage by an unauthorised person. He was fined $500 and his religious leader visa was cancelled.”
Rob tell us that the second Yasir Mohib “marriage” in NZ was only a religions ceremony. That seems likely although using “Yasir Mohib” as the search term on the NZ Herald web site, I was unable to find the article stating that this was the case. Rob, could you post the link to the article?
An interesting issue arises in this case. In the NZ Marriage Act 1955, Clause 58 states
“Offence to solemnise marriage contrary to provisions of this Act.
Every Registrar who knowingly and wilfully issues any marriage licence or solemnises any marriage contrary to the provisions of this Act, or where there is any other lawful impediment to the marriage, and every marriage celebrant who knowingly and willfully solemnises any marriage contrary to the provisions of this Act, or where there is any other lawful impediment to the marriage, commits an offence and shall be liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years, or to a fine not exceeding $600, or to both.”
Clearly, if the person officiating at the Mohib ceremony purported to represent it as a legal marriage in accordance with NZ law, he may have been committing an offence, even if he was not a registered celebrant. I suspect that we in NZ have no law that prohibits a ceremony which is being represented as a marriage according to religious belief but is not otherwise being conducted according to NZ law. I shall follow this up.
Australian law would appear to be different. Surprising. Damocles Junior, can you help identify it?
Peter Clemerson says
If other people besides myself, Rob and Damocles Junior are following this thread, you might be interested to know that I have found the following;
1. A lawyers web site http://www.raineycollins.co.nz/your-resources/articles/bigamy-some-of-the-basic-facts.html states the following “bigamy is a criminal offence, and is punishable by a term of imprisonment of up to seven years”
2. The Crimes Act 1961 Section 205 defines Bigamy. The relevant subsections are
(1) Bigamy is—
(a) the act of a person who, being married, goes through a form of marriage or civil union in New Zealand with a third person; or
(b) the act of a person who goes through a form of marriage in New Zealand with any other person whom he or she knows to be married or in a civil union; or
(c) the act of a New Zealand citizen, or a person ordinarily resident in New Zealand, who, being married or in a civil union, goes through a form of marriage with a third person anywhere outside New Zealand; or
(d) the act of a New Zealand citizen, or a person ordinarily resident in New Zealand, who goes through a form of marriage anywhere outside New Zealand with any other person whom he or she knows to be married or in a civil union;
(2) For the purposes of this section,—
(a) a form of marriage is any form of marriage recognised by the law of New Zealand, or by the law of the place where it is solemnised, as a valid form of marriage:
Here is our NZ problem. Because a marriage ceremony conducted only in accordance with religious belief and not in accordance with the provisions of the Marriage Act 1955 would probably not be regarded in a court as being a “form of marriage recognised by the law of New Zealand”, the Crimes Act 1961 definition of bigamy would not apply and hence no act of bigamy is being committed. If this is a fair assessment of what a court would decide, there is no limit to the number of wives or husbands a man or a woman may “marry” as long as the ceremonies are held in a manner not conforming to the Marriage Act 1955. When the 1961 act was passed, it was unlikely that this method of sidestepping its definition of bigamy was anticipated. It obviously needs updating to extend the definition.
The Australian celebrant waS caught by some relevant Australian Law:
MARRIAGE ACT 1961 – SECT 101
Solemnisation of marriage by unauthorised person
A person shall not solemnise a marriage, or purport to solemnise a marriage, at a place in Australia or under Part V unless the person is authorised by or under this Act to solemnise marriages at that place or under that Part, as the case may be.
Penalty: $500 or imprisonment for 6 months.”
It looks to me that the definition of bigamy in NZ needs to include the phrase “goes through what purports to be or is represented as a form of marriage” wherever the phrase “goes through a form of marriage” occurs. Of course, only a court could decide what ‘purports to be’ means but I think we could be reasonably confident that a ceremony performed by an imam conforming reasonably closely to the terms and phrasings traditionally used would be held to be included within this phrase. The Australian court clearly did the equivalent.
gravenimage says
Peter Clemerson wrote:
As a marriage celebrant in New Zealand, I am at a loss to understand how the husband obtained a license for the second marriage, assuming that one had actually been issued.
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Peter and Rob, the second “marriage” was almost done at the Mosque, without a valid marriage licence. This is how most of these polygamous unions are handled.
The big problem here is that the New Zealand Herald is reporting as though both of these marriages are recognized by New Zealand.
linnte says
And do the whole family receive benefits as a family unit? That is where I would want to know if it is advantageous to have more than one wife with kids. In America, one man and woman are a couple and if they get divorced, the court decides who pays child support and then it’s paid. If a woman who is living with a man and wife as a legally married couple, and that woman is considered a “religious wife” and she has children by the man, how would the State collect money from the man for the support of his children? Savvy?
gravenimage says
I don’t know how things work in New Zealand, Linnte. In the US, these women often pose as single mothers–father “unknown” so that there is no child support. Investigating living situations is now frowned upon, so it is often assumed that they have “roommates”, when they are actually living with their husband and his other wives and children.
The irony is that if these Muslimahs were really single mothers, they would lose their children or even be murdered in many parts of Dar-al-Islam. Anything to fool the “filthy Infidels”, though…
And here’s what’s going on in Britain, which is similar but more overt:
“Men with more than one wife will get extra benefits under new rules”
Under universal credit, polygamous marriages will not be recognised
Extra wives will be treated as single but they could claim single person’s benefits…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3414264/Want-higher-benefits-marry-one-wife-New-welfare-rules-hand-extra-taxpayer-cash-polygamists.html
linnte says
So this is simply another form of Jihad against the West, sucking money out of the system and furthering the ruin of economies. Subversion and deception and no moral integrity or honesty! Islam SUCKS!
gravenimage says
Yes, Linnte–living off the Infidels is part of the “Money Jihad”.
Madeleine says
I am not sure but I venture to say that he never claimed a second wife legally until he forged a defense against deportment.
Madeleine says
I meant being deported. It is sometimes a game in law.
Matthieu Baudin says
“…deportation would mean his two New Zealand-born wives and their five Kiwi children would go with him…”
Let them work it all out in Pakistan. The New Zealand Consulate in Karachi can listen to their woes and offer advice from there.
StarWish246 says
Think about the horrible example he is setting for his children (especially his sons, on how to ‘treat’ women), abusing one of the mothers of his children with a hammer, no less. To hell with ‘breaking up the families’ – those children should be removed immediately, anyway!
gravenimage says
Exactly. A broken home is much preferable to a polygamous one where the father is attacking one of the mothers with a hammer.
Benedict says
Deport all of them back to Pakistan. This will be a lesson of sorts to the others who may think that they can get away by behaving in an uncivilized manner in a civilized nation
Baucent says
This case highlights the social and financial impact of muslim migrants. This guy appears to have arrived in NZ on a work visa, probably a one year visa. What they then do is marry a local woman who is a citizen and produce children as fast as possible. All this is to anchor the migrant with dependents who are NZ citizens who can qualify for welfare benefits and increase the change of permanent residency. It works a treat, even if he is working and paying some tax, with 5 kids and soon to become 7, they are racking in the child support payment, accommodation supplementary payments, probably unemployment benefits for both NZ wives… they are on the pig’s back.
gravenimage says
Yup–that’s exactly what they do.
steve says
Mmmmmmm. so was the historical ‘Elephant Man/woman’ John or Jane Merrick ? who wore a bag over its head actually the first Muslim woman in England ???
Jasmine says
how about if we just neuter him ie give him a vasectomy and then deport the whole clan…this disgusting excuse of a man should not be allowed to step foot in new zealand .
Don Lerwiis says
If he is deported and his wives follow I can almost guarantee that he will finish the job in Pakistan under the guise that she brought shame upon him by complaining and he being not only deported but identified at the same time. I strongly suggest that if that wife wishes to see her kids grow up that she stay with her feet firmly planted upon Kiwi soil and let the animal get his cumuppence.
Crusades Were Right! says
“He is from the troubled Kashmir region.”
No prizes for guessing why it’s “troubled”!
eduardo odraude says
Out, out, out!
http://www.quotingislam.blogspot.com
eduardo odraude says
Emigration to non-Islamic lands is a religious obligation for Muslims — part of spreading Islam. The Islamic calendar begins when Muhammad emigrates to Medina. In Medina, after Muhammad gains political power and can start using violence and force, Islam for the first time grows to include more than a hundred or so followers. Before emigrating to Medina, and after many years of “preaching” in Mecca, Muhammad could only persuade a hundred or so people to join him. Only when he started using his religion as cloak for killing and murder and power did people rush to join him. But even in the many years in Mecca, when in his weakness Muhammad still preached religious tolerance, he was already telling the Arabs, according to the core Islamic texts themselves, to join him in order to conquer and make the world subservient to Muslims.
There were some Nazis who really did not know what Nazism was — at any rate, Nazi children can be considered innocent. Similarly, there are many Muslims, even adults, who are more or less in the dark about Islam, as they only ever recite the Qur’an in the archaic Qur’anic Arabic, which they only vaguely understand, if at all. Most of the globe’s Muslims do not know even modern Arabic. So Muslims, like Nazis, may have varying degrees of innocence and culpability. With every moment that passes, they admittedly have less excuse for not knowing what kind of man Muhammad really was, and what kind of religion Islam really is. Nazism is evil, and Islam is evil. Evil feeds off of and twists something good. It thus fools many.
At any rate, that’s my view of Islam after a good deal of acquaintance over the last decade with the Qur’an, Hadith, and the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad.
linnte says
Deport them all. There are consequences and this should be the consequence for every immigrant who breaks the law right down to traffic tickets that can’t be proven as accidental. It will set a precedent.
gravenimage says
The women cannot be deported, Linnte, as they are New Zealand citizens. But these brainwashed idiots will almost certainly follow their wife-beating husband back to the Islamic craphole he came from.
linnte says
I hate this Islamic issue. HUGE!
Richie says
I suspect a reason Muslim women are required to wear viels and burkas is to hid the bruises from the beatings they receive from their hisbands. Any woman who defends Islam given its barbaric treatment of women should be ashamed of themselves
gravenimage says
That’s a big part of it. Aisha–Muhammed’s child bride–herself said of a Muslim wife beating victims that she was “as green as her veil”. *That’s* an image that sticks with you.
Kay says
Heartbreaking because it also means the women won’t get help. An abused wiman often wrongly feels responsible for the abuse perpetrated against her. Shame in such circumstances is common.
The vile creed of Islam only makes everything worse.
Lioness says
Why just stop at two wives? He is young and will probably get 2 or 3 more “wives” who will bring to the world more potential jihadis. Once polygamy is tolerated, the numbers of wives is no longer an issue, anything goes.
John says
He has 1 legal wife and the 2nd he married in a `religious ceremony`
His wife went to the police and made a assault complaint and said a hammer was involved and had wounds consistent with a hammer. This was all done away from her husband as he was not allowed access to her after the assault.
Once the husband was released from police custody he made contact with the wife and her story changed.
I hope he is sent back to Pakistan. His family does not have to follow him and he cannot force them too.
Ana-Maria Augustino says
No sympathy for the sob story he presents. It would be good if they were all deported from New Zealand. We do not want them here – we do not want to be like Australia or the US or Europe!
Damocles Junior says
Here is a story from Oz that I witnessed first hand. There was this terrible domestic disturbance in our immediate ( mainly white up-market) neighbourhood, it involved a large newly arrived Middle Eastern family. (Renting a small apartment)) The police attended and the female victim met the police at the front door, she was in a dreadful mess and had obviously suffered a really nasty bashing-up. She told the 2 attending police officers, “No no, everything is alright, don’t need help” The police simply left, so did this family a few weeks later.
Their ways are not our ways, we don’t need them either in Australia or NZ.
Kunal says
They don’t deserve to be anywhere!! Look what’s going on in Britain.. They build mosques everywhere and want to rule.
Damocles Junior says
I drive past any mosque here in Sydney and they just give me the creeps, I feel that they are a vision or expression of pure evil as well as something that is completely alien.
A mosque is also a symbol of Islamic presence and domination and the message that the building presents is; Look, we are here to stay like or not.
And my “spies” tell me that the Muslims have made an offer of millions to a struggling church here in Sydney’s South to buy their property. Because it is zoned as a place of worship they are able to put up a mosque. The site has parking but worst of all it is in an absolutely commanding and spectacular position. This should never be allowed to happen.
Rob says
Story reprised on local (NZ) tv tonight.
Everyone playing happy families.
Guy said ‘If you want more than one wife, why not?’
Gutless interviewer couldn’t bring herself to ask ‘”But this is New Zealand. Shouldn’t you abide by the cultural norms of the host community?’
simpleton1 says
Thanks Rob, particularity when those 2 tv3 hosts were very progressive in seeming to accept that this is another form of diversity to accept, and the male host saying why not? and the female host first saying he was greedy then rationalized and said it would be ok if woman could also have 2 husbands,,
Then later reading out a text from some one saying where they knew a woman had 2 “boyfirend” partners and everything was “hunky dory” being in a loving relationship.
Like it will be great when sharia law is practiced too; yeah right! 🙂
linnte says
So shameful!
Damocles Junior says
The guy on TV (almost certainly ‘gay”) should have started asking searching questions about like what does the Q’ran say about punishing one’s wife, divorce, child brides or how the few “modern” Islamic countries try and deal with polygamy? It probably would not have been a case of happy families.
Basically the situation in Eqypt is; Yes, you may have 4 wives but they each have to own their own apartment. Yes you may divorce any one wife at any time but you must continue to support her. As for punishing your wife, here in Sydney the clerics have given instructions (quite publicly), it basically only allows gentle punishment but it is physical and with a big stick or rattan etc. Welcome to the new Islamic dark ages.
simpleton1 says
TV3 did another news story background on the poly marriage ;in the house.
The interviewer sort of made it was a loving family with them all , and as one of the niqab who claimed that she adopted this “habit” by her own free will, 5 years ago. One of the woman 22 years old and the other is 24.
The first one had been married in Melbourne, Australia, before shifting to Auckland New Zealand.
She said that all of the 5 children were extra lucky to have 2 mummies that loved them with their father.
The tv show hosts were very progressive in seeming to accept that this is another form of diversity to accept, and the male host saying why not? and the female host said it would be ok if woman could also have 2 husbands.
Technically it can not be bigamy, as only one marriage was recognized by the state, and the young fellow said it is like when others have 2 girl friends simultaneously.
Their commitment will test the boundaries of the NZ state being one legal marriage and plus a “de facto”.(not official) relationship, and that other progressive words , partner and partnership..
Though it is obviously “recognized” by the imman as religiously sanctioned, though technically it can be seen as a “blessing” though for many others it is sharia law that is doing the recognition.
This means that from a mosque in New Zealand that sharia law can be practiced and so that country NZ, is now unwittingly in the ” house of islam”.
The man is playing the game that after the assault, that the 2 wives had babies, in NZ, only months apart, one a daughter and the other a son..and seem only a few months old. The other 3 children of which the oldest is 5 years old.
All this on a national tv program while he says he deserves punishment, and the 2 wives say that he does not.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/story/inside-the-home-of-man-who-assaulted-wife-with-hammer-2016100519
Not sure if that link will work
I am sure many other muslims in NZ will be learning how to skate around NZ laws.
Manuele says
I am sure many other muslims in NZ will be learning how to skate around NZ laws.
WELL I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MORE THE GOVERNMENT IS KEEPING QUIET ABOUT THIS BIGOT BEHAVIOUR THE MORE IT INFESTED LIKE A BOIL UP JOHN KEY’S BACKSIDE AND THE ONLY PEOPLE PAYING FOR THIS MUSLIM BIGAMY SHIT ARE WORKERS OF THIS COUNTRY. AND AS FOR TV 3, THIS IS CONTROL BY A BIGOT FROM EURO MIDDLE EASTERN MUSLIM LOVING BUFFON. THEY ARE ALL CROOKS.
Manuele says
“That’s my only point, that it could affect my whole family, my five little kids, my wives. There is no way we are going to be separated. So if I get deported it means all of these guys need to go to Pakistan.”
“MY 5 LITTLE KIDS, MY WIVES” WHAT THE HELL IS THE NEW ZEALAND TAXPAYERS FEEDING THIS BASTARD HIS CHILDREN AND WIVES. WHAT THE HELL IS THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT DOING THIS SHIT GOING ON UNDER ITS NOSE? THE BURDEN IS BEEN PUT ON THE NEW ZEALAND TAXPAYERS IS FOR THIS SHIT PIGOT BEHAVIOUR? DEPORT THE BASTARD AND FAMILY OUT OF THE COUNTRY I SAY.
Hoekom Jy My Haat says
“TWO” wives? How does any Western nation allow such a thing…? Send them all back to Pakiland and let the kids return when they are 18, if they must.
Damocles Junior says
Reply to Hoekom. (From a previous post above)
This is what happens in a “Modern Islamic Nation” Such as Egypt or South West Sydney!
Basically the situation in Egypt is; Yes, you may have 4 wives but they each have to own their own apartment. Yes you may divorce any one wife at any time but you must continue to support her.
As for punishing your wife, here in Sydney the clerics have given instructions (quite publicly), it basically only allows gentle punishment but it is physical and with a big stick or rattan etc.
Welcome to the new Islamic dark ages.Let it take root in NZ and their ways and laws will soon become normal and dominate. The evil practise of Islam will be a lot more than the mildly sensational aspect of polygamy.
Robert McKenna says
Great ! Get rid of all of them while you have the chance ! If the women were stupid enough to marry a filthy muslim, they need to go also. Back to Pakistan with the horde of them !