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UK: Muslim doctor beat teen daughter for staying at male friend’s house after Halloween party

Oct 28, 2016 2:20 pm By Robert Spencer

“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34

Muhammad “struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” — Aisha (Sahih Muslim 2127)

Thus to prosecute this heart doctor would be “Islamophobic.”

gohar-rahman

“Heart doctor ‘beat teenage daughter for staying at male friend’s house after Halloween party,'” Telegraph, October 27, 2016 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

A top heart doctor who worked at the UN gave his teenage daughter a beating and labelled her a “prostitute” after she disobeyed his orders and went to a Halloween party, a medical tribunal heard on Thursday.

Dr Gohar Rahman, 57, grabbed the youngster by the hair, caned her on the bottom with his walking stick and then rained down punches on her head after he accused her of “bringing shame” on his family.

Police were called in after the daughter sent out a SOS message on social media using a Nintendo DS.

The daughter, then 17, had earlier gone to the party after falsely telling her father she would be home from a friend’s house by 9.30pm.

She also went for a night out in her hometown before sleeping over at the home of a male friend.

But her defiance enraged married father-of-three Rahman, a consultant cardiologist at Wigan Infirmary, who set about his daughter when he and his wife, also a doctor went to collect her the following morning.

As his wife looked on, Rahman shouted “I can’t believe what you have done – sleeping at a boy’s house” and said he no longer “recognised” her as his daughter.

During the assault back home she was was ordered to take off her party dress and put on traditional Islamic clothing instead before being ordered to pray.

Doctors discovered she had bruising to her forehead, lower back left shoulder and left side and three parallel lines on her buttocks where he had hit her with the stick.

A clump of her hair fell out when she was being examined. The girl – who is now 18 – later described her father as “looking like a monster” and described the beating as “awful”….,

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  1. gravenimage says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    UK: Muslim doctor beat teen daughter for staying at male friend’s house after Halloween party
    …………………..

    Damned thug. And as a “top heart doctor”, no one can *hardly* claim “ignorance” or that he is “uneducated”. The problem, of course, is that he is all too educated–in the savage diktats of Islam.

    Good thing the victim was able to alert police.

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 2:49 pm

      Agree, Graven. Also, notice that the mother, too, is a doctor, but did nothing but watch. This young lady is no longer safe in that household.

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 3:10 pm

        ”This young lady is no longer safe in that household.”

        She never was.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 3:14 pm

          I wonder if this girl realises that islam is to blame for her father’s and mother’s behaviour, and accordingly apostasises ?

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 3:23 pm

          You are right on target with that, Mirren.

        • Greyhound Fancier says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 11:41 pm

          Yet civilized people are expected to accept these behaviors and welcome the perps as immigrants. Social pathologies that make the Mohammedan and Arab world the mess that it is…multiculturalists want to spread the sickness all over the world. What an ideological setup, that encourages coldness to one’s own children like this!

          Poor girl…she must be removed far away from her sick, sad kin. Mothers who accept “honor” enforcement and killing, and are proud that their children kill others and themselves, are utterly incompatible with decency.

          The more I hear of these outrages, the less I understand what is supposed to be attractive about Islam. Yet by lying and tickling our ears, the Mohammedans have been incessantly working to shove their sickness and insanity down our throats.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 10:41 am

          Yes, Greyhound Fancier–Muslims use both violent Jihad and Taqiyya.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 3:19 pm

        Cecilia, it is *very* common that the mothers in these situations do nothing–either out of fear, or because they *agree* with the savagery–up to and including “Honor Killing”.

        And Mirren, I hope so–I hope this girl gets out, and leaves Islam behind.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 3:28 pm

          So true, Graven. I recall the case of Tina Isa, in the U. S., who was held down by her mother as she was repeatedly stabbed by her father. The FBI had bugged the residence and had the entire “honor killing” on tape.

          Like you, I hope the young lady rejects Islam and never returns to that house or that city. They will hunt her down and kill her.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 6:46 pm

          Very true, Cecilia. And good to see you posting again.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm

          Thanks, Graven. Glad to be back.

    • jiohn spielman says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      the Medical review board in the UK had better revoke his license because that would certainly happen if he a nonmuslim

      • PRCS says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 11:22 pm

        Would be good to learn that that has happened–but……

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 31, 2016 at 3:23 pm

          It does look as though he has been fired–or at least suspended. He is no longer featured on the hospital staff page. But yes–he should also lose his license.

    • Rezali Mehil says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 7:18 am

      Salaam Graven,

      Whilst I recognise that this world class doctor has acted like a thug on his own daughter … YOU are in no position to voice an opinion to the treatment of children as you have none of your own.

      It is all too easy to be “objective” when you are devoid of emotion relating to disgraceful behaviour of children who have been accorded with privileges paid for by the parents hard work. All he was asking of her was to stick to her promise of being home by 9.30pm (which is what SHE said) from some stupid American made tradition haloween , a marketing stunt designed to make the already rich …much richer.

      He is (or was) a man of considerable respect within his own community … look at where he is now… facing a criminal investigation, and in danger of being struck off; this is HER faulty, don’t let her off the hook so easily … like you have left Hillary off with her email server.

      Finally do NOT forget that in Islam, HE (as the Walid) is responsible for the state of her vagina, its sanctity and purity …only for the curtain to be parted by her husband’s standard bearer… the one chosen for her by her Walid and Ami Jaan ordained and under the auspices of Allah SWT.

      Whilst the man has gone over the top by pulling her hair, she needed a stern talking to and extra prayers to get her back in line.

      If the police are investigating his behaviour , the (female) police needs to check her vagina to ensure that it has not been violated by this vile boy…who too should get a talking too (and I’ll bet he’s a kuffar to boot).

      More Later …

      Rezali

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 9:10 am

        Real Simple Rezi

        Mammals — such as humans generally take care of their young.

        Reptiles — such as Muslims do not.

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 9:52 am

        I see the tedious rezali is back again, boring the pants off us all with his mind numbingly stupid meanderings.

        You obviously didn’t take my advice, rezali, and trot off to Syria to help out your bros. How’s pakicrapistan ? The beard ? And the wifies ? Still holding off the dreaded ‘white penis’ ? Good.

        ”YOU are in no position to voice an opinion to the treatment of children as you have none of your own.”

        You told us once (amongst a myriad of other lies) you were university ‘educated’. Whichever uni you purportedly attended, they either taught you no logic, or you are deliberately presenting a false argument.

        Whether someone has children or not, has no relevance as to their opinion of how they should be treated.

        The rest of your crap is standard mohammedanism, which we have all heard before; ie: it is the **victim** to blame, not the perpetrator, since he, of course, was justified, as he would have been justified in murdering her, because he was defending ‘honour’, blah, blah, all the rest of your revolting and evil bullshit, culled from the evil koran, and your paedophile ‘prophet’.

        More later, chumbawamba …

        • Oliver says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 3:12 pm

          As I posted-somewhere here- there was no mention made that she slept with the male; no mention was made of them having sex.

          Perhaps, the weather was bad; or forgot the time-in (at?) a party-often happens. And did not wish to travel so late. And, to call-might (conjecture-guesswork on my part) have awaken the parents, and a late night phone call IS USUALLY NOT A GOOD THING-unless expecting it ( and then, usually because of time zones-not local).

          And the father is responsible for the state of her vagina? What about ( this was years ago) in Canada and I think Utah or Nevada or Nebraska, a father ANALLY raped young daughters ( 2 separate cases). In each case, idiot judges let the scum off, because, they left the daughters virgins. (The fathers were Muslims). Twisted thinking.

          Atb 17- unless had mental handicaps, should be able to think for herself.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 5:19 pm

          Great post, Mirren.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 5:48 pm

          Thanks, graven.

      • maghan says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 2:00 pm

        Is this some kind of parody? Sounds like it. Only a very stupid person would actually believe this comedic nonsense.

        Also proof that being proficient in being a mechanic of the human body does not require much intelligence–same as for an ordinary car mechanic and car-body welder.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 5:13 pm

          maghan, this story was published in the Telegraph. They are not in the habit of publishing parodies.

          Besides, why would you consider a story about a Muslim savagely beating his daughter to be a “parody”? There are, indeed, few things as Islamic as this.

          And yes–it does take intelligence to be a doctor, particularly a cardiologist. What this story proves is not that doctors are stupid, but that intelligence is no guarantee against barbarism in observant Muslims.

      • Carolyne says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 3:00 pm

        I was amazed by what I read of Rezali’s post until I got to the part about her father being responsible for the state of her vagina. Then I laughed out loud, although I was alone.

        First, Hallowe’en is not an American invention. It was a pagan ritual, long before North America was discovered.

        Beating a child with a stick is not to be allowed for any reason. I love my children and never, ever would I beat them at all–with anything. This so-called doctor needs to have his license removed and he should not be allowed near decent people. In fact, he needs to go to jail. Once the other inmates discovered why he was there, it would be hard time. There is even honor among thieves.

        To maghan–There are only two models of cars. Much less to learn than the many models of cars.

        • Oliver says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 3:16 pm

          Carolyne,

          I think that you meant to say that there are only two models of humans. Much less to learn then the many models of cars.

          As to Maghan- a good car mechanic can earn close to 4 figures a month–or more. The same with a good auto body person, depending upon the market that they are in.

        • Carolyne says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 3:19 pm

          Indeed, that is what I meant to say.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 30, 2016 at 5:05 pm

        I see the vile Rezali Mehil is back:

        Salaam Graven,

        Whilst I recognise that this world class doctor has acted like a thug on his own daughter … YOU are in no position to voice an opinion to the treatment of children as you have none of your own.
        ……………………………..

        Why would Rezali Mehil agree with me that the behavior of this Mohammedan is thuggish? After all, she has *lauded Honor Killing* here before.

        As for my not being allowed to have an opinion, recall that this is from someone who believes that parents have the right to pimp their 9-year-old daughters to old men, and has described such pedophilia as “blessed by Allah SWT”. *Ugh*.

        *This*, of course, renders her incapable of making any comment in civilized society. But then, when have pious Mohammedans ever been civilized?

        And it should not surprise that Rezali Mehil joins coreligonist Mubarak here on this thread–they are both champions of Muslim rape of children and Infidels.

        And, of course, once again this shows that this Mohammedan understands *nothing* about freedom of speech.

        More:

        It is all too easy to be “objective” when you are devoid of emotion relating to disgraceful behaviour of children who have been accorded with privileges paid for by the parents hard work. All he was asking of her was to stick to her promise of being home by 9.30pm (which is what SHE said) from some stupid American made tradition haloween (sic), a marketing stunt designed to make the already rich …much richer.
        ……………………………..

        Where to start? I am *hardly* “devoid of emotion” over a father beating his daughter so badly that it required police intervention and medical attention. Instead, I am sickened.

        Unlike the vile Mohammedan Rezali Mehil, civilized people do not savagerly beat and “Honor Kill” their children.

        And note: Rezali Mehil is disgusted by an “American” holiday–really, she is disgusted by *all* Infidel holidays–but is fine with child and wife beating. This is Muslim “morality”…

        More:

        He is (or was) a man of considerable respect within his own community … look at where he is now… facing a criminal investigation, and in danger of being struck off; this is HER faulty (sic), don’t let her off the hook so easily …
        ……………………………..

        Rezali Mehil has done this before–blamed the victims of Muslim savagery–including victims of “Honor Killing”–for their own victimization. She has gone so far as to claim that the ‘real victims’ of “Honor Killing” are the *murderers*.

        And to the extent that Gohar Rahman was previously respected, it was because people did not realize that he is a child abusing creep. This incident *revealed* his character–it did not create it.

        Like all Mohammedans, Rezali Mehil does not believe that Muslims should be held responsible for their actions. Instead, it is always the responsibility of someone else–children, say, or innocent Infidels who got in their way.

        More:

        like you have left Hillary off with her email server.
        ……………………………..

        Well, this is particularly hilarious–has the mentally-challenged Rezali Mehil failed to notice that the average Jihad Watch reader is not apt to be a Hillary apologist?

        More:

        Finally do NOT forget that in Islam, HE (as the Walid) is responsible for the state of her vagina, its sanctity and purity …only for the curtain to be parted by her husband’s standard bearer… the one chosen for her by her Walid and Ami Jaan ordained and under the auspices of Allah SWT.
        ……………………………..

        *Ewwwww*. But yes, this is mainstream Islam–that a girl’s body is not her own, but it to be policed by her male owner, until he decides to sell her vagina in a forced marriage.

        If girls resist such “marriages”, they are often “Honor Killed”.

        More:

        Whilst the man has gone over the top by pulling her hair, she needed a stern talking to and extra prayers to get her back in line.
        ……………………………..

        Why would someone who lauds “Honor Killing” object to hair pulling?

        But if you read the full account of the assault I posted, it is *far* more than hair pulling. In fact, it seems quite likely he was going to kill her before the police arrived and stopped him.

        More:

        If the police are investigating his behaviour , the (female) police needs to check her vagina to ensure that it has not been violated by this vile boy…who too should get a talking too (and I’ll bet he’s a kuffar to boot).

        More Later …
        ……………………………..

        The witless Rezali Mehil appears to believe that she is still living in some barbaric Islamic sh*t hole, like her native Pakistan–in the civilized world, police stop beatings and child abuse–they do not administer “virginity tests”.

        Do we have to remind Rezali Mehil that non-virgins are not stoned to death here, either? It appears so…

        And note: the only thing Rezali Mehil labels on this story as “vile” is a boy who is probably non-Muslim. This is, in fact, his only “crime”.

      • Mockingjay says

        Oct 30, 2016 at 7:05 pm

        “The purity of a girls’ vagina”, ey…

        – How can you argue with anyone who posesses, in the 21st century, the mental mindset of the dark ages of humankind, – of which this primitive obsession with female sexual “purity” is a particular nefarious aspect?

        I honestly don’t know why we should even talk to these people. There really is no arguing with them.
        – You cannot force the light of reason upon anyone, and the mental evolution of these types will probably still take hundreds of years – or, to put it differently – they will simply have died out by that time.

      • Lynne says

        Oct 30, 2016 at 7:57 pm

        You don’t have to have your own children to realize that this doctor is very wrong. Violence against your own is dispicable. He doesn’t have the right. The UK is still a democratic country.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 31, 2016 at 3:25 pm

          Exactly, Lynne.

    • Marty says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 10:37 am

      So glad the police were called.
      In the UK parents genitally mutilate their girls & there has yet to be a
      single serious prosecution. Also, many “vanish”
      In the UK mohammedans are even permitted to abort female foetuses.
      Some courageous girls in Bristol, who had the misfortune to be born into
      mohammedan families are fighting this savagery.
      Feminists are notable for their silence on the topic.
      The idea of a “muslim doctor” is a bit worrying.
      Rather like a Neanderthal doctor

      • Anne Smith says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 11:31 am

        Feminists have been silent on the subject of Muslims for years. While Harriet Harman and the rest of her female colleagues were bleating in the UK Parliament non-stop about the “equality laws” they stood by and allowed the Muslims to establish Sharia courts, and did nothing about the huge increase in FGM.

        Truly, as Orwell drily noted, some people are more equal than others.

    • Demsci says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 4:30 pm

      I also heartily agree and hope this sets this girl and other young Muslims on the path to apostasy.

      But why do so few actually apostasize? Widespread apostasy among esp. young Muslims IMO would solve our problem and humankind could reach great heights without the millstone, parasite or downright predator that Islam is. And I might add, with precious little to show for beneficial effect too. On top of that; based on a complete fairy tale! More: it is an ideology opposed to democracy, tolerance and human rights, at least parts of it are.

      So I keep getting back in my mind to my own still fragile solution; Can’t we somehow present (esp) young Muslims with some kind of Democratic Positive Alternative To Islam, in the form of a new ideology (or of course an old one, like Christianity, if it can offer a good alternative to Islam)?

      Because when we even try to reason with Muslims to apostasize, based on Islam’s faults, all they can see is a huge vacuum, or maybe even worse in their indoctrinated minds, it seems to me.

      For me the operative word for our strategy is ALTERNATIVE (to Islam). Once there exists a tailor-made, yet true, inspiring ideology that fits the description of Alternative To Islam, all it’s followers AND all other opponents to Islam then can COMPARE. As opposed to only lament the bad behavior of Muslims.

      In this case: Surely the Alternative Ideology To Islam teaches better treatment of their children than Islam’s, shown by this doctor!

      The point being; That Alternative Ideology, once it is widely known and accepted, can then COMPETE with Islam for followers, not only in the Western world, but worldwide.

      As I see it, Islam provides no truth and dismal service to it’s followers. They however, see no viable alternatives to it, and stick to it because of wrong reasons, like:
      not losing a ticket to heaven, going to hell, loyalty to parents and community and culture etc.

      So what I sorely miss in all of this is the tailormade viable Alternative To Islam. And there are so many possibilities for an ideology to outcompete Islam very much. For me key-words are Democracy, Human rights, golden rule, striving for happiness.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 30, 2016 at 5:23 pm

        Demsci wrote:

        Can’t we somehow present (esp) young Muslims with some kind of Democratic Positive Alternative To Islam
        ………………………

        Demsci, just about everything in the free West *is* a positive democratic alternative to Islam. It is not our fault if Muslims brainwashed with the savagery of their foul creed choose to reject it.

  2. jayell says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    It just goes to prove that being a noble savage is no bar to passing your medical exams. Probably even helps. If you can inflict the injuries, you may have a better idea about sorting them out; strange that this delightful character didn’t though. Unfortunate that he’s also now a criminal, though. Perhaps he’d better try for a job in the police now that I hope his medical career is over.

    • maghan says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 2:02 pm

      Better yet–a Halal abbatoir.

  3. Mirren10 says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    ” … Rahman, a consultant cardiologist at Wigan Infirmary … ”

    And is this pig still there ? He should be instantly fired, and struck off.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 3:28 pm

      Good question, MIrren. Who would want to be treated by this thug?

      People here–especially those in the UK–should contact the hospital to complain.

      Here’s the Royal Albert Edward Infirmary (Wigan Infirmary):

      Royal Albert Edward Infirmary
      Wigan Lane
      Wigan
      Lancashire
      WN1 2NN

      Main Phone: 01942 244 000

      Patient relations, complaints and general comments: patient.relations@wwl.nhs.uk
      Our general email address: info@wwl.nhs.uk

      But he *may* already be gone–I looked up his page at the hospital, and got this:

      http://www.wwl.nhs.uk/404.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/consultants/Medicine/gohar_rahman.aspx

      It says “Sorry, page not found”.

      If anyone has more information on this, I am sure many here would be interested.

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 5:11 pm

        Thanks for that, graven. I shall fire off an email and a proper letter.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 6:47 pm

          Thanks, Mirren. Please let us know if you hear back.

      • Carolyne says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 3:21 pm

        Even though it says “Page not found” you can still click on “Our Consultants” and get a list of the doctors there. To my disgust, almost every doctor there is a Muslim judging by their names. A hospital to stay away from.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 5:30 pm

          My God, Carolyn–you’re right. Here’s the direct link if people want to check it out:

          http://www.wwl.nhs.uk/consultants/Medicine/default.aspx

          *Definitely* a place to avoid for those who can.

          At least the vicious Gohar Rahman appears to be off the list.

  4. Charli Main says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    If this girl had any sense, she would get out off the sick, perverted filth called Islam, as fast as she can and join the human race.

  5. DFD says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    Slightly off topic but I have to share this with you, I found this on a German website (active-patrioten.de), in German, translation follows, it’s about ISIS/Deash, the call it:

    “DachvEreinigung geiSteskranker moSlems (Daesch)”

    “Central Union/Club of Mentally Disturbed Muslims”.

    Mind you, I thought they all are…

    • PRCS says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 11:24 pm

      Gotta wonder if they’re rightly referring to all Muslms, or, as is so often the case, they think only some are.

      • DFD says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 6:03 am

        At “active-patrioten.de” they refer to *all* of them, definitely. ISIS/DAESH is just the primary part of the – err, “Collective?”

  6. gravenimage says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    And look–this thug escaped jail time:

    “Doctor escapes jail after attacking teen with walking stick”

    http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/doctor-escapes-jail-after-attacking-teen-with-walking-stick-1-7753260

    “Liverpool Crown Court heard yesterday, Friday, that he has already been punished by having restrictions placed on his clinical work and he faces disciplinary proceedings.”

    What rot. The only good thing is that it does sound as though his workplace has disciplined him in some way–probably not enough, but something.

    This article gives a detailed account of how sustained and brutal a beating this was.

    He is also a father of three–it does not say whether the other children are younger, and still at threat–nor if it is being considered that the children be removed from the home.

    He has a Muslim defense attorney, who has–quite implausibly–claimed that he is remorseful over the beating. I imagine he is only upset that he was caught.

    • Frank Courtney says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 4:20 am

      If you read the full Telegraph article it states he had two colleagues turn up as witnesses to give him glowing character references. Predictably both are Muslims.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 30, 2016 at 5:33 pm

        Given the list of doctors at this establishment–see above–this is probably the case. Frank.

  7. Johan Elzinga says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    A chilling fact is that NO news like this has been published in the mainstream newspapers in either Germany, the Netherlands or Belgium in the last 6 months. I am starting a statistics log now, and will from now on log those events. I’m a university teacher from the Netherlands.

  8. Andrea says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    What is wrong with beating your daughter when she disobbey??..Sleeping out at 17 without parents permission is not a joke guys..maybe he exagerated but who doesn’t sometime? I think Robert was short of aricles today 🙂

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 5:12 pm

      Dear me. You must be a mohammedan, so no point in telling *you* what’s wrong with it.

      • Andrea says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 6:10 pm

        I’m not mohammedan 🙂 I’m just old school when it comes in education.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 6:28 pm

          ”I’m not mohammedan ? I’m just old school when it comes in education.”

          This is what this bastard did:

          ”Dr Gohar Rahman, 57, grabbed the youngster by the hair, caned her on the bottom with his walking stick and then rained down punches on her head after he accused her of “bringing shame” on his family.”

          She was covered in bruises, and had welts on her buttocks also.

          She was **17** at the time of this vicious assault.

          Are you seriously suggesting assault and battery with fists and walking stick, on a seventeen year old girl, is equivalent to spanking a naughty five year old ? If so, you are one sick bitch.

          I sincerely hope you have no children.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 6:52 pm

          Hear, hear, Mirren.

          And he only stopped when the police arrived. He quite likely would have “Honor Killed” the poor girl.

          This is only “old school” if one is an out-of-control violent Mohammedan.

        • Oliver says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 7:39 pm

          It does not say that she SLEPT WITH/HAD SEX WITH the male friend. merely, stayed at his home.

          He could have been living with his parent/s; grandparent/s; other family; other bedroom, etc. Possibly-party ended later then planned-and did not want to travel at night.

          17 is not a baby. I agree with Graven & Mirren (my sister was a college sophomore by the time she was 17).

        • Oliver says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 9:25 pm

          What the f does education have to do with this. Missed the first time. It does not say a school night
          Nor evrn that she was in school

        • Rezali Mehil says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 8:46 am

          Mirren says to Andrea.. “I sincerely hope you have no children”.

          Well we know Graven doesn’t.

          More Later …

          Rezali

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 5:41 pm

          By the way, I cannot recall ever seeing the appalling Andrea ever having posted here before.

          Note that she considers savagely beating a child to be “education”–perhaps this is why her posts are semi-literate.

    • Mubarak says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 6:53 am

      Didn’t read your comment before I posted mine, Andrea.
      I fully agree that Robert must have been short of material today.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 30, 2016 at 5:38 pm

        *Of course* Mubarak would say this.

        He is a fan of Muslim rape, including child rape–Muslims abusing their children is fine with him.

        Really, he cannot conceive of why civilized Infidels would have a problem with this. *Very* telling.

    • Carolyne says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 3:06 pm

      Andrea, I doubt that is your name, more like Aisha I would think. Civilized people do not beat their children. Period. It is against the law and if you are doing that, I hope your neighbors report it to the authorities.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 30, 2016 at 5:45 pm

        So true.

  9. DHazard says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    Defying your parents is a God given right to all teenagers. But Muslim teenagers don’t just get grounded, they get ground. I would really like to follow the outcome of this story but it will probably just get buried and forgotten. I am certain there are tens of thousands of Muslims teenagers who have been “infected” with freedom and are just waiting to turn 18 so they can dump their families. This girl must have had some sense of what was in store for her but went ahead and acted like a normal teenager anyway. I can’t imagine she will be sent back to live with her parents, but if their is any justice left in the birthplace of justice (i.e. the Magna Carta) then she’ll only have one parent to return to if she has no other choice.

    • Ted Tyler says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      I am reasonably certain that defying your parents is NOT a God given right to all teenagers. Actually, God was into tough love – very tough love:

      “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall put away the evil from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear. (Deuteronomy 21:18–21)”

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 6:45 pm

        Good grief, Ted–what claptrap.

        The idea that Jews and Christians are stoning their disobedient children to death is just bs.

        This is what *Muslims* do.

        • Ted Tyler says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 6:55 pm

          Of course Jews and Christians are not stoning their children. That was a long time ago. Deuteronomy is very old. Now, only the Muslims are into such barbaric behavior.

        • Oliver says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 7:42 pm

          Ted- this was to be a WARNING. WHEN, BACK BEFORE THE USELESS NATIONS AND THE IDIOTS AT UNESCO, AND THERE WAS A BET DIN (Jewish Court) IN 70 YEARS-70 YEARS- ONE-PERSON WAS SENTENCED TO DEATH.

          And, the people complained- why was the court so harsh. (I forgot-from reading this- what the crime was).

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 9:49 pm

          True, Ted.

        • Mubarak says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 9:22 am

          No, in our toxic cult of sentimentality (allusion to a brilliant book written by Theodore Dalrymple) we pamper and suffocate them to death in our indulgence. In any way death is the result.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 10:50 am

          The appalling Mubarak wrote:

          No, in our toxic cult of sentimentality (allusion to a brilliant book written by Theodore Dalrymple) we pamper and suffocate them to death in our indulgence. In any way death is the result.
          ………………………………

          Uh huh. Previously, Mubarak has implied that Dennis Prager and even Robert Spencer have agreed with him the victims of Muslim rape are to blame; now he is implying that the civilized Theodore Dalrymple agrees that fathers should beat their children to a pulp.

          In fact, the very decent Theodore Dalrymple has inveighed against child abuse for many years. He worked as a doctor, and has seen the terrible effects first hand.

        • Mubarak says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 11:59 am

          If – in your mind GI – “beating children to a pulp” is the only alternative to “pamper and suffocate them to death in our indulgence”, something is terribly wrong with you.-

          Two Theodore Dalrymple quotes:

          “….it is within living memory that in most cases when a child misbehaved in school, and his parents were informed of it by a teacher, the child could expect retribution at home as well as discipline at school. Now, in a large number of cases, he can expect neither.”

          “Not only is the news that we are all good by nature extremely gratifying, suggesting that our faults are not really our own at all but attributable to something external to us, but the advice to allow the child always to follow the dictates of its will is extremely convenient for busy, two-income families, in which the parents return home each day in a state of exhaustion, little wanting to deny the little ones their desires in case they start screaming. The proper disciplining of children requires judgment; judgment requires thought; thought requires energy; and everyone is dog-tired. So a permissive rule-of-thumb is just what the doctor ordered. The fact that he who pays the Danegeld never gets rid of the Dane is of small account in the purchase of an hour’s much-needed and longed-for peace.”

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 5:50 pm

          The vile Mubarak wrote:

          If – in your mind GI – “beating children to a pulp” is the only alternative to “pamper and suffocate them to death in our indulgence”, something is terribly wrong with you.-
          ……………………………

          Not–that is what the appalling Mubarak is positing–since he is here spouting apologia for a Muslim thug who did just that.

          More:

          Two Theodore Dalrymple quotes:

          “….it is within living memory that in most cases when a child misbehaved in school, and his parents were informed of it by a teacher, the child could expect retribution at home as well as discipline at school. Now, in a large number of cases, he can expect neither.”

          “Not only is the news that we are all good by nature extremely gratifying, suggesting that our faults are not really our own at all but attributable to something external to us, but the advice to allow the child always to follow the dictates of its will is extremely convenient for busy, two-income families, in which the parents return home each day in a state of exhaustion, little wanting to deny the little ones their desires in case they start screaming. The proper disciplining of children requires judgment; judgment requires thought; thought requires energy; and everyone is dog-tired. So a permissive rule-of-thumb is just what the doctor ordered. The fact that he who pays the Danegeld never gets rid of the Dane is of small account in the purchase of an hour’s much-needed and longed-for peace.”
          ……………………………

          Theodore Dalrymple is, of course, no more counseling Muslim child abuse, any more than Robert Spencer and Denis Prager are championing child rape.

          Note that Mubarak *still* will not condemn this child abuse–not, of course, that this should surprise.

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 7:00 pm

        ”Of course Jews and Christians are not stoning their children. That was a long time ago. Deuteronomy is very old.”

        Yes, it’s quite irrelevant, so why post it, unless you’re attempting some sort of witless moral equivalence ?

        • Ted Tyler says

          Oct 28, 2016 at 9:23 pm

          No, just trying to refute the claim that defying your parents is a God given right.

    • Oliver says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 11:36 pm

      D. Hazard
      Years back
      Like well over 40 or so Eleanor Roosevelt. Widow of FDR wrote a periodic newspaper column. I was a teen in high school.

      This particular one. Only one I recall. In Turkey some archeologist found some writings from about a thousand or so years ago. It was a sort of complaint against the youngsters of the day. They disobeyed their parents and teachers. They did not study. They.modern terminology
      Cannot recall pld terminology
      Hero worshipped athletes and others. Etc.

      And carbon dating put it at about 1,000 years old.

      Seems little changes

      • maghan says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 2:16 pm

        But there were no Christians when Deuteronomy was compiled. The Torah and the Old Testament are really not what Christians should adhere to.

        • Oliver says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 3:22 pm

          maghan–Jesus And his disciples adhered o The Torah (Old Testament was name given to The Torah by early Christians-probably– probably in Aramaic or Hebrew).

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 1, 2016 at 3:55 pm

          A moot point–neither Jews nor Christians are stoning people to death–Jesus, famously, did *not* stone a woman to death.

          The only creed stoning people is *Islam*. There are famous Hadith where Muslims lament the fact that Jews–even 1400 years ago–*weren’t* stoning people to death.

        • marc says

          Nov 1, 2016 at 3:59 pm

          Yep, “even 1400 years ago–*weren’t* stoning people to death” all corporal punishments were banned by the Jewish courts over 2000 years ago, I God want’s to punish you, he will do it himself.

  10. John Thomas says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    will be Intersted to see if anything transpires following this assault. I will not hold my breath.

    • Oliver says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 8:48 pm

      Mr. Thomas- as I posted previously THIS HAPPENED A YEAR AGO- (Halloween is Oct 31-); the girl was 17 then, 18 now- hence a year ago.

      My question- never answered- why is it now coming out? Should it not have come out a year ago?

  11. Angemon says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    “Religion of Peace” indeed…

  12. Crusades Were Right! says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    “heart doctor”

    Surely, a clear case of “Physician, heal thyself!”…

    …or, to put it another way…

    …”Have a heart, Doc!”

  13. Crusades Were Right! says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    “medical tribunal”

    I sincerely hope he’s facing a medical tribunal AS WELL AS facing prosecution for assault…

    ….not INSTEAD OF!

  14. Mubarak says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    How different from our culture where a son staying at a male friend’s house after a Halloween party would bring Pride to his family. –

    Without commenting on the doctor beating his teen daughter: would it be wrong if the daughter had obeyed her father and also not lied to him?
    (Sorry I don’t cue in!)

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 6:42 pm

      The vile Mubarak wrote:

      How different from our culture where a son staying at a male friend’s house after a Halloween party would bring Pride to his family. –
      ……………………………..

      What does he mean, “our culture”? He has made it clear that he is in favor of Muslims raping us, which has *nothing* to do with civilized Western culture.

      Look what he is doing here–pretending that all of Western culture is homosexual.

      And note further: like most Mohammedans, he has actually spouted apologia for his coreligionists *raping little boys*, but is disgusted by the thought of consensual relationships.

      Yet more:

      Without commenting on the doctor beating his teen daughter: would it be wrong if the daughter had obeyed her father and also not lied to him?
      (Sorry I don’t cue in!)
      ……………………………..

      More apologia for savagery from the vicious Mubarak–he has not a word of criticism for this Mohammedan savagely beating his daughter, but decides to put the onus on the child, instead.

      This is not uncommon among Muslims–adults can act like violent children, but children themselves are held responsible not just for their actions, but for those of the adults abusing them.

      Here is Mubarak, insisting that the underage victims of Muslim rape gangs are to blame:

      “UK: Muslim gang accused of drugging and raping underage teen non-Muslim girls”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/10/uk-muslim-gang-accused-of-drugging-and-raping-underage-teen-non-muslim-girls#comment-1541371

      Just repulsive–but just what we have come to expect.

      • Champ says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 9:42 pm

        I agree, Graven. And “Mubarak” is one of the most deceitful posters we’ve seen on Jihad Watch in quite some time–perhaps the most deceitful.

        Great response to this vile creature.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 12:19 am

          Thanks, Champ. I know you have staunchly countered his vicious crap, as well.

      • Mubarak says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 5:11 am

        I am not as mindless as you – prompted by a picture and a headline – producing predictable, echo-chamber comments.
        I am implying that a teenage girl living with her parents should obey them and not lie to to them. Once again: what is wrong with that? –

        The mistreatment of children can have different expressions. Indifference towards them is one of the more nasty ones together with spoiling them rotten, and that’s the opposite side of the coin prevalent in the West – and with disastrous consequences.

        • maghan says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 2:21 pm

          Stupid fool, the issue is about a deranged Mohammedan using a heavy stick to beat a young person. And this deranged body mechanic is OK with a grown 54 year old man raping a 6 year old. Disgusting.

        • Carolyne says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 3:37 pm

          Actually, Mubarak, you are mindless. Why don’t you just go worry about the state of someone’s vagina, since your culture is based on sexual perversion.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 6:18 pm

          Yet more from the repulsive Mubarak:

          I am not as mindless as you – prompted by a picture and a headline – producing predictable, echo-chamber comments.
          …………………………

          Now this vicious creep considers being critical of a father beating his child to a pulp as “mindless”–but what else would we expect from a champion of Muslim rape?

          More:

          I am implying that a teenage girl living with her parents should obey them and not lie to to them. Once again: what is wrong with that? –
          …………………………

          But this is not the point of this story–the case involves how a barbaric Muslim *responded* to this minor and predictable disobedience from a teenager. It was not with a stern talking to, grounding, or taking away priviledges–instead, it was by beating her so savagely that the poor girl required medical teatment.

          No surprise that a Muslim apologist would be unable to grasp this.

          More:

          The mistreatment of children can have different expressions. Indifference towards them is one of the more nasty ones together with spoiling them rotten, and that’s the opposite side of the coin prevalent in the West – and with disastrous consequences.
          …………………………

          And the solution to this is Muslims beating and murdering their children, just as Mubarak’s solution to the supposed decadence of the West is to have his coreligionists raping women and children here. *Ugh*.

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 28, 2016 at 6:55 pm

      ”How different from our culture where a son staying at a male friend’s house after a Halloween party would bring Pride to his family. – ”

      You appear to be implying there is something wrong/unsavoury about a teenager staying at a friend’s house for the night. You must have been a right Billy No Mates. 🙂

      ” … would it be wrong if the daughter had obeyed her father and also not lied to him?”

      So, according to your twisted morality, a teenager who tells lies to a parent, and breaks their rules, deserves to be brutally assaulted.

      You are one nasty, vicious piece of crap, mubarak.

      I do hope you have no children.

      • Champ says

        Oct 28, 2016 at 9:37 pm

        Mirren10 wrote:

        You are one nasty, vicious piece of crap, mubarak.

        I do hope you have no children.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Indeed, Mirren10!

        And I second *that* hope!

      • Mubarak says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 6:48 am

        “So, according to your twisted morality, a teenager who tells lies to a parent, and breaks their rules, deserves to be brutally assaulted.” –
        Your non sequitur is ridiculous.

        But why don’t you tell the readers here- to their moral edification- what a teenager deserves when she “tells lies to a parent, and breaks their rule”—?

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 8:53 am

          ”Your non sequitur is ridiculous.”

          Don’t use words/phrases you don’t understand, silly mubarak. In trying to show you’re ‘educated’, you just show yourself up. What I said follows logic perfectly.

          Your implication was, that if she had obeyed her father, and not lied to him, she would not have been brutally assaulted. Therefore it follows you think this thug had justification for what he did. Capisce ? No, I’m sure you don’t.

          ”But why don’t you tell the readers here- to their moral edification- what a teenager deserves when she “tells lies to a parent, and breaks their rule”—?”

          In the civilised West, and in *our* civilised culture, a vicious assault and battery is a *crime*, not a ‘deserved’ punishment. It’s otherwise of course, where you come from, and what you believe. Which just underlines the fact that beneath the veneer some of you manage to create, you’re all basically vicious, mysogynistic thugs. How could it be otherwise, when your vicious ‘prophet’ was a pig of a man ?

        • Carolyne says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 3:38 pm

          I think Mubarak might have had children once, but he beat them to death for stealing a fig.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 6:36 pm

          And yet more from Mubarak:

          “So, according to your twisted morality, a teenager who tells lies to a parent, and breaks their rules, deserves to be brutally assaulted.” –
          Your non sequitur is ridiculous.
          …………………………..

          This is not a “non sequitur”–this is exactly what this story *is about*. This *is* how pious Mohammedans respond to minor teenage misbehavior.

          Note that in half a dozen posts that Mubarak has yet to utter a single word of criticism for this barbarism.

          More:

          But why don’t you tell the readers here- to their moral edification- what a teenager deserves when she “tells lies to a parent, and breaks their rule”—?
          …………………………..

          As noted above, there are several possibilities, depending on the severity and frequency of such rule breaking, including a stern talking to, grounding, loss of privileges–there are other possibilities, as well, such as being assigned additional chores, loss of allowance, etc, etc.

          That a Mohammedan would be unable to consider alternatives to *violent child abuse* is *very* telling.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 31, 2016 at 3:35 pm

          Good posts, Carolyn.

  15. aDhimmiSaysWhat? says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    So, heart surgeon huh? Their best and brightest are still savages at heart. You can take the Muslim out of the Islamic world, but you can’t take the Islamic world out of the muslim.

    • maghan says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 2:26 pm

      You don’t have to be genuinely intelligent to cut up a human heart and sew it back with needles. Butchers can do just that. Just memorize some facts and recite them back during exam time and you are OK. That profession does not require the ability to think logically and intelligently on all matters. The average Muslim IQ is 70-75.

      • Carolyne says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 3:40 pm

        When one marries one’s first cousin for generations, it is best not to expect bright children will come of it.

  16. hautedaug says

    Oct 28, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    Honour killing incoming.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2016 at 6:39 pm

      Almost certainly, yes.

  17. JW_reader says

    Oct 29, 2016 at 12:15 am

    Women moved from her seat as two Pakis did not like to be seated next to a women.

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 3:16 am

      Muslims are all about the (public image) of propriety but not substance.

      Behind the veil of Islamic secrecy Britain’s rape gangs were also — Pakistanis.

    • Ted Tyler says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 5:07 am

      Great Video clip JW. Two points:

      1. The video clearly shows that orthodox Islam does not accept women as equal. This can also be filed as a definitive culture war in which we are expected to change our culture to accommodate Islam.

      2. Hasidic Jews also have screwy rules as to how men and women are supposed to behave. http://nypost.com/2012/02/07/i-was-a-hasidic-jew-but-i-broke-free/

      • Mubarak says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 9:05 am

        Are Pakistani monks in orange shirts Muslims? –

        Anyhow: UNITED made the mistake of not moving the men instead of the woman.
        And if that was not possible: book them another flight with a reservation of 3 seats at expense of the monks, alternatively at the expense of UNITED.

        • JW_reader says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 12:05 pm

          Monk (Buddhist) in Pakistan? Where do they live? Near the Holocaust memorial in Lahore? In Pakistan, there are very few Buddhist and no monk for sure. That lady on that Airplane mistook Pakistani men in traditional garb as monks. Those two men were Muslims. Buddhist Monks will not have any such issue with sitting next to women. Only Muslim’s willy goes up as soon as they see a women. Even female donkeys are not safe from Pakistani Muslim men.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 6:50 pm

          The foul Mubarak wrote:

          Are Pakistani monks in orange shirts Muslims? –
          ……………………….

          They probably said “Muslim clerics”, and airline staff related this as “monks”. The long orange shirts were almost certainly Shalwar Kameez. Here is one such picture:

          https://fashion360.pk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Latest-Designe-Man-Kurta-Collection-2015-By-Amir-Adnan-3-300×300.jpg

          Of course, Mubarak is implying that these were Christian monks–but he seems unaware that Christian monks have no problem with sitting next to a woman.

          But this should not surprise–previously, Mubarak has claimed that Christianity does not allow women to attend public celebrations or to work or study next to men.

          But it is only *Islam* than makes such demands for the segregation of the sexes.

      • Oliver says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 3:35 pm

        Ted–I know MANY Hasidic jews. I know of none (I have knowns some for over 15 years; others over a decade but a bit less then 15 years; many if not most have large families) .

        None beat their children with canes, etc. AND THE SCREWY RULES? Separate schools (hell, in the US there are THE SEVEN SISTERS–PRESTIGE ALL GIRL UNIVERSITIES (but all male schools are forbidden). In public places, girls and women use the women’s bathrooms; boys and men the men’s room. At some affairs ( but not others) men and women sit apart. (Ditto in synagogues, during praying-although I had read that it was WOMEN who instituted it- millennial ago- because the WOMEN were eyeing the men, and not praying. And that is ALL ORTHODOX SYNAGOGUES, NOT ONLY HASIDIC).

        Your comparison is false.

        my views

        And, hasidim do not kill if a person leaves -for whatever reason.

        BY THE WAY– ANSWER THIS:

        YOU (WITHOUT OR WITHOUT YOUR WIFE/GF/CHILD OF ANY AGE, OR- A FRIEND) SEE A GROUP OF HASIDIM WALKING TOWARDS YOU.
        DO YOU CROSS THE STREET AND HOPE THAT THEY DO NOT SEE YOU, AS YOU FEAR FOR YOUR SAFETY>?

        or just,as you pass, either say nothing, or say something like ” good day, afternoon, evening- whatever-depending upon the time).

        asking.

        some years back, a talk show (Tampa Bay FL) personality asked that. Nobody called to say that they crossed the street and feared for their safety.

        • Ted Tyler says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 4:13 pm

          Oliver, Sorry for the confusion, but I was not responding to Robert’s primary post. I was responding to a secondary post (a video clip) contained within the primary post. The clip showed that two Muslims were unhappy about sitting next to a woman. I was responding to that idea and that idea only.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 6:53 pm

          Good post, Oliver.

      • Carolyne says

        Oct 29, 2016 at 3:42 pm

        And all religions do persecute women. Hasidic Jews, for instance, force women to shave their heads and wear wigs. Go figure.

        • Oliver says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 7:14 pm

          Hasidic women are not forced to shave their heads and wear wigs. Many do. Many do not.

          Some wear hats. I agree- but the reason-something like that only the husband and male relatives should see the true haircolor or something. Many hasidic women I know wear wigs over their hair; or hats (if out in public) or scarves; and many do not. They let their hair be seen.

          Incidentally, they probably have the lowest rate (probably close to zero would be my guess) of illegitimate (is that still allowed- when a woman has a baby out of wedlock?) than any other religious group. And I would venture the same is true of juvenile delinquents (and adult criminals). And probably higher IQ’s then the general population.

        • marc says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 9:29 pm

          @Carolyne I spent more than 25 years living in orthodox Jewish communities, I have never heard of hasidic women being forced to shave their heads, married women are obliged to cover their hair in public, some choose a wig, some scarves, some hats, some have their hair longer or shorter underneath, that would be their choice.
          I know many who see it as a blessing, not having to worry about getting your hair right and just sticking a wig on. I bet you belive the whole “hole in the sheet” story as well. orthodox family purity ritual can be very sensual and rewarding for couples. And really should not be compared to anything muslims practice. I have a lot of arguments with Jewish orthodoxy, but the Sheitel would not be one.

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 29, 2016 at 10:17 pm

          Carolyne,

          (Qur’an-following) Muslims shave off disobedient sex-slave’s heads and force them to wear raw bloodied stumps.

          You say “Po-TAY-to” — — they say, “Po-TAH-to”

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 7:00 pm

          Hasidic men do not beat “disobedient” women to death.
          And anyone–man or woman–can leave that denomination–or Judaism altogether–without fear of reprisal. Compare and contrast…

        • Carolyne says

          Oct 30, 2016 at 8:50 pm

          I’ve heard Muslim women say that it is a blessing to wear a burqa for the same reason given below. They don’t have to worry about their hair or their clothing. I soppose one can rationalize anything, even claiming oppression is a blessing.

  18. Jay Boo says

    Oct 29, 2016 at 3:21 am

    Hmmmm
    Maybe Fatima was the one who poisoned Allah’s ‘messenger’ Muhammad.

    • Carolyne says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 3:43 pm

      If not, she should have.

  19. MIKHAIL says

    Oct 29, 2016 at 9:59 am

    It’s no so long ago that most western fathers would have done the same in respect to the canning and declscribing her as a woman of low morals. Society in the west has forgotten what respect and honour is if this girl had respect she would not have done this and don’t tell me she did not know how her father and mother would react.
    Sadly society applauds rebellion.

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 30, 2016 at 9:28 am

      ”It’s no so long ago that most western fathers would have done the same in respect to the canning (sic) and declscribing (sic) her as a woman of low morals.”

      Provide evidence for your assertion.

      Even if you do, so what ? If some Western fathers brutally assaulted disobedient daughters, does that make what this mohammedan thug did, morally OK ? Only in *your* vicious mind.

      ”Society in the west has forgotten what respect and honour is if this girl had respect she would not have done this and don’t tell me she did not know how her father and mother would react.”

      What do respect and honour have to do with going to a party, and staying the night at a friend’s house? Absolutely nothing. The girl was 17. In a year, she would have been 18, which in Western law is regarded as an adult.

      ‘Mikhail’, I bet your name is really mohammed.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2016 at 7:21 pm

      “MIKHAIL”–who I have never seen posting here, either–wrote:

      It’s no (sic) so long ago that most western fathers would have done the same in respect to the canning (sic) and declscribing (sic) her as a woman of low morals. Society in the west has forgotten what respect and honour is if this girl had respect she would not have done this
      ………………………………

      The idea that men in the West regularly beat their daughters so severely that it required police intervention to stop is, of course, utterly false.

      As Mirren notes, this is most likely a “Mohammed”, rather than a “Mikhail”.

      Really, the Muslim trolls are out in force with apologia for child abuse on this thread. But why not? In Islam, there is no penalty for Muslims murdering their children and grandchildren. See book of Islamic jurisprudence “The Reliance of the Traveller”.

      More:

      …and don’t tell me she did not know how her father and mother would react.
      ………………………………

      Well, yes–this girl probably *should* have realized that her father was a Muslim savage incapable of civilized behavior.

      More:

      Sadly society applauds rebellion.
      ………………………………

      No–not really. We just object to the abuse of children–unlike this vile poster, of course.

  20. Lorensacho says

    Oct 29, 2016 at 10:03 am

    Let me be clear, I do not support corporal punishment, and I don’t want to make light of this, but there are plenty of non-Muslim fathers who have taken their belts to their children to discipline them, so maybe in this case it’s not a Muslim thing. It is also not a case of honor killing because the daughter was not murdered. It’s sad all the way around that there are parents that lack the skills to properly communicate with their children

    • Oliver says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      A belt is not a walking stick. Pulling hair out? Punching her?

      Beyond -way beyond, using a belt. AND ON A 17 YEAR OLD?

      And, not a case of homro killing-possibly because police arrived. I agree-it is sad that there are parents who lack the skills-etc. Consider, (in FL, anyhow) one needs a license to fish, hunt, etc. But one needs nothing to father (male)/ mother (female) babies- just have sex

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2016 at 7:35 pm

      She was likely not murdered just because police intervened.

      This Mohammedan had no problem “communicating” with his daughter–he was just sending a savage Islamic message.

  21. Susette says

    Oct 29, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    Rezali says: “Finally do NOT forget that in Islam, HE (as the Walid) is responsible for the state of her vagina, its sanctity and purity …only for the curtain to be parted by her husband’s standard bearer… the one chosen for her by her Walid and Ami Jaan ordained and under the auspices of Allah SWT.”

    NO, Rezali… a woman’s vagina is given to her by her creator. It belongs to no one but herself and she has the free will to decide what to do with it. What is it with you muslim males that you think you own the intimate body parts of females and unilaterally decide who “parts the curtain.” That is slimy and obsessive. Worry about your penises instead, and only put them where they are invited.

    • maghan says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 2:29 pm

      What do you expect from an IQ of 70-75?

    • Carolyne says

      Oct 29, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      However, once some filthy old woman with a piece of broken glass holds a little girl on the ground and mutilates her genitals, there ae no “Curtains” left “To part.”

      You are right, Suzette. And they actually do worry about their penises. They are known to be very small. I guess that frustrates them when they encounter a full, proud western woman.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 30, 2016 at 7:38 pm

        Very true.

  22. Diane says

    Oct 29, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    Here’s the important take away from this story that we all need to remember: Below this seemingly respectable veneer of medical professionalism and ethical compassion lies the ever present Islamic beast.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 6:50 pm

      So true.

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