“This is indicative of the whole mess we have got ourselves into. This is not now, and never has been, about justice. This is about money. It is a national embarrassment. This is a disgrace.”
Yes, it is. And it is about more than money. It is about how Britain today is beholden to globalist interests such as the European Court of Human Rights, and about how Islamic supremacist forces skillfully manipulate such entities in attempts to criminalize actions of their enemy during wartime. It is another theater of the same war, but here again, as in so many other areas, only one side is fighting. The other side, in order to avoid accusations of “racism” and the like, actively abets efforts that have the ultimate goal of destroying its own very existence.
Britain is finished.
“Outrage as troops face criminal inquiry over detention of Iraqis accused of murdering British soldiers in war crimes atrocity,” by Robert Mendick, Robert Verkaik, and Ben Farmer, Telegraph, October 15, 2016:
British troops have been placed under criminal investigation over the detention more than 13 years ago of Iraqis suspected of murdering two Army soldiers, The Telegraph can disclose.
The servicemen have been investigated in secret for more than two years over the alleged ill treatment of the two Iraqis accused of carrying out one of the bloodiest and most notorious attacks on British troops during the conflict.
The soldiers face prosecution and, if found guilty, possible jail terms.
Military chiefs have branded the criminal inquiry into the troops an outrage and a betrayal of the armed forces.
They expressed astonishment that the murders of two British soldiers could lead to the convictions of troops who detained the suspects – rather than the suspects themselves.
Staff Sergeant Simon Cullingworth, 36, and Sapper Luke Allsopp, 24, were dragged from their Land Rover in an ambush in March 2003 in Al Zubayr in southern Iraq, taken to a compound and executed in front of a mob. Footage of the soldiers surrounded by the crowd was shown on television.
A Royal Military Police investigation concluded two Iraqis – Faisal al-Saadoon and Khalaf Mufdhi – were involved in ordering and carrying out the murders. The men were handed over to the Iraqi authorities and charged with war crimes although those charges were later dropped due to insufficient evidence. The Ministry of Defence said at the time it did not mean the Iraqis had been found innocent.
But now in a new twist, The Telegraph can disclose the two men have lodged separate criminal complaints with the Iraq Historic Allegations Team (Ihat), the controversial unit set up by the UK Government to examine alleged abuses committed by British troops.
The Iraqi suspects, having been granted taxpayer-funded legal aid, have accused British troops of mistreating them during their detention. Ihat confirmed it is investigating their complaint.
The men, who insist they were innocent teachers, have already successfully sued the Ministry of Defence for breaching their human rights.
Al-Saadoon and Mufdhi were awarded £35,000 in legal costs by the European Court of Human Rights, amid reports of a further £75,000 each in damages, for “their mental suffering” over the threat of facing the death penalty in Iraq.
The case has sparked renewed calls for an end to almost 1,500 criminal inquiries into British troops being conducted by Ihat.
Lord Dannatt, the former head of the Army, said: “This case must be dropped. It is outrageous that the allegations are still being looked at 13 years later. An investigation of this nature into ill treatment is far too late after the events.”
Retired Colonel Tim Collins, who led troops in Iraq, said: “This is indicative of the whole mess we have got ourselves into. This is not now, and never has been, about justice. This is about money. It is a national embarrassment. This is a disgrace.”
Johnny Mercer, a Conservative MP chairing an inquiry into Ihat’s workings, said: “This case yet again highlights our betrayal of British soldiers.”…

Marty says
Our American friends must find it hard to understand the treatment
of UK troops who have suffered months of seeing their comrades
killed & butchered by mohammedan savages.
The fact is that the BBC/Guardian/Independent Newspaper/University tutors
& the cultural establishment all despise the army above all institutions.
Our vets, far from being respected, are given little help in adjusting
to civilian life.
Conservative minded folk are happy to see them parade for the Queen,
but that’s about it.
Despite media hostility to the armed forces, the most (rightly) popular
young man in the UK is Prince Harry, who, like his brother, has served in
he armed forces & is a friend & high profile supporter of the army.
The UK political & cultural establishment is treasonous, like many were in
the 1930’s & the scum who lead the Labour Party include leading lights
who wish to dispose with, not just our nuclear defences, but also our
armed forces.
However, they may change their mind when they realise that the
mohammedan vote on which they depend, needs our armed forces to
launch an attack on israel.
Possibly even a suicidal war against the US. Certainly US troops in foreign wars.
Anne Smith says
Most of this problem stems from the EU. Members of the EU – the UK is a member, for now – have to sign up to the ruling of the European Court of Human Rights.
The Netherlands and France obtained a derogation from this ruling for their armed forces. Therefore no-one can bring charges against their troops under the Human rights legislation. The UK did not bother to obtain a derogation for their armed forces. Cameron, one of the laziest and stupidest Prime Ministers we have ever had, wrung his hands and bleated about the unfairness of our gallant troops being persecuted but did nothing whatsoever to obtain the necessary derogation.
This is why so many members of one of the best armies in the world are being unnecessarily persecuted and vilified by unscrupulous lawyers (making tons of money of course) representing some of the vilest people on earth.
Bob says
I would certainly not be prepared to serve in the British armed forces or the police – they’re all expected tonfight/serve with the threat of legal action against them if they do their job. The UK is swarming with greasy human rights lawyers, all prepared to uphold the interests of Britain’s enemies!
RL Robison says
Wow! What is happening today in the U.K. is not reflective of the country I learned to admire. The U.K. of the 1940s stood up to withering, soul crushing attacks but still held together and spit in the eyes of Hitler. Today the U.K. is being devoured from within by those who were granted refuge and a chance for a better life.
All Western nations need to quit being afraid to defend themselves!! If we are called racist, Islamophobic, religious bigot, deluded or whatever for striving to defend our countries, our institutions and our civilizations from the slippery tentacles of political Islam, then those labels should be worn with pride for they reflect the fact that those who would destroy us recognize our resistance.
Waiting says
The Drumhead.
ECAW says
What would be the likely effect on a first time British visitor here, looking for information and encouragement, to be told your country is finished with the obvious implication that there is therefore no point trying?
Who would do such a thing? Obviously only someone who doesn’t appreciate the import of their own words or who actually wishes Britain harm.
sencit says
I agree with you ECAW, this really has gone far enough. It’s becoming a bit childish now.
Sheykh Yer Weeni says
The Infidel Imam will not say any country is “finished” unless he sees the flag of Islam rise over its capitol. I agree that we should not discourage visitors from other countries by saying “takfir” (pronouncing apostasy) on them. I will not give up so easily. On Pam Geller’s page earlier this morning, because Sweden has now protected the ISIS flag as free speech, I did say “Sweden is finished.” I will go now and recant. Thank you, ECAW, for your excellent words, and for helping me learn. Shukraan jazilaan.
Sheykh Yer Weeni says
Actually, that post was here on JW. Corrected. Vikings and Britons, arise and drag down the Crescent into dust!
ECAW says
Good for you Sheykh. No country not yet under Muslim control is finished.
“Never, never, never give up”.
Our elite are a terrible cowed lot who will have to be swept away but the peole of Britain struck a decisive blow recently by voting to leave Islam’s best friend the EU. I think it almost certain that without one of the few net contributors the EU will collapse, and probably quicker than we think. I read today of an Austrian economist who has recommended that Austria and Germany should follow suit because the rich countries will be outvoted by the poor countries. Denmark and Holland are threatening leave/remain referendums and Italy has a strange constitutional referendum coming up which may apparently mean them leaving the Euro, which would inevitably mean leaving the EU.
Robert Spencer says
So sorry! What are you doing to save Britain as a free nation? Whining here? Or anything more?
ECAW says
You dismiss my quite reasonable challenges to your malicious trashing of britain as whining. This is the kind of avoiding the issue by denigration which you complain of in others. A few posts ago you hinted that there were more countries on your finished list but when asked for them you disappeared. I think it reasonable to expect you to be explicit so we can know which countries to forget about and which are saveable. We can then concentrate our efforts on them.
As to your invitation to a “pissing up the wall” contest, if I was doing nothing it would have a more beneficial effect on Britain’s prospects than your constant demoralising negativity.
But since you ask I do what little I can. Firstly if you click on my name you will see my modest efforts at providing information and polemic which I try to get under the noses of as many neutrals as I can. Secondly I do the same with this presentation of the Koran which I had a small hand in:
http://www.koran-at-a-glance.com
I happen to think it the most illuminating introduction to the Koran out there and hope to see its increasing viewing figures reach a point where it can be said to have a significant effect.
Apart from that I have other activities which I prefer to keep to myself.
Champ says
ECAW wrote:
“What would be the likely effect on a first time British visitor here, looking for information and encouragement, to be told your country is finished with the obvious implication that there is therefore no point trying?”
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Any visitor can expect a bold and refreshing *change* to the standard set of lies and half-truths put forth by the media, and they will discover the unvarnished truth!
Robert is presenting the truth about the current state of affairs in Britian, and you’re angry at HIM? Hmm, maybe you prefer the lies and half-truths because you’ve unwittingly grown accustomed to what the media feeds you.
ECAW says
So you also think Britain is finished. That means beyond hope, terminal, unsaveable, not worth bothering about
Tell me this, what is your list of countries that are finished?
Champ says
ECAW wrote:
“What would be the likely effect on a first time British visitor here, looking for information and encouragement” …
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“encouragement”? Here? lol! 😀
Ok, this is Jihad Watch, and JW is dedicated to: “Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts.”
Robert is bold and fearless in exposing the above, and if that offends anyone, then so be it.
And if it’s “encouragement” that you and others need, then read your Bible and pray to our Holy LORD and Savior, Jesus Christ.
JW is a tough neighborhood, and I for one read Jihad Watch for the facts about islam & co, and NOT for “encouragement.” Sorry if that isn’t the answer that you were seeking from me.
I find encouragement elsewhere …
ECAW says
No chance of getting a straight answer to a straight question then?
What is your list of finished countries?
What is your list of saveable ones?
Which list is your own country on?
dsinc says
Robert was invited to the UK to help inform the British people about Islam, which I am sure he would still do. His dig about Britain is finished is at the government for banning him for telling the truth. His issue is with the elitist government who also appear to want Britain to be finished, not the British people, I think.
Hope you don’t mind me speaking for you, Robert?
Baucent says
That then would appear to me to be a childish vindictive attitude would it not?
Carolyne says
It would not.
England’s laws prevent one speaking out against Islam on pain of prosecution. This kind of censorship seems to me to indicate Britain is indeed finished. By allowing hundreds of thousands of Muslim invaders to enter your country, establish their own “Countries” within your country and putting them on the dole so they have time to do it is suicide. Then the native population is barred by law from criticizing it? Would you prefer “England is committing suicide?”
old white guy says
Brits will have to fight their own before they will be able to address the evil that islam represents. This will be true in all western nations.
Charli Main says
OFF TOPIC
“Three teenagers have been arrested after a young woman was allegedly raped on a beach in Kent, police said.
The woman, thought to be in her late teens, was allegedly attacked on Sunny Sands beach in Folkestone at about 8pm on Saturday.
Kent Police said an 18-year-old man and two 16-year-old boys have been arrested in connection with the alleged incident.”
Police have not revealed the identities of these ” alleged ” rapists but Folkestone in an English Channel town swarming with Musrat ” refugees”.
So, I would not take bets, that this woman was NOT gang raped by ” Syrian asylum seekers” AKA in MSM parlance, Asians
Mirren10 says
Exactly what I thought, Charli, as soon as I read it. Not issuing descriptions is a dead give away.
Angemon says
Same here – I bet of they were named Harry, Charlie or James we’d know their names, general area of residence and employment.
mortimer says
Ultimately, the lower echelons should not be charged. The officers are responsible for everything that occurs under their orders. If there was wrong doing, I believe the soldiers were following orders.
mortimer says
Retired Colonel Tim Collins, who led troops in Iraq, is correct: “This is about money.”
jayell says
“Retired Colonel Tim Collins, who led troops in Iraq, is correct: “This is about money.”…”
Well, it most certainly isn’t about justice, but I have noticed that this somewhat contrived ‘historic abuse’ business has generally been on the increase not just in the UK with the now-infamous epidemic of celebrity witch-hunting over the last few years, but also recently in the USA in these last stages of the presidential campaign when more than a few ‘victims’ of ‘sexual abuse’ have magically crawled out of the woodwork to tarnish Donald Trump’s name just in time for Mrs.Clinton to make it to the White House. It is interesting to note that, lurking in the background behind all this unusually crude, vindictive character-assassination is some kind of islamic interest. Or perhaps I’m seeing things?
Carolyne says
You are not seeing things. Saudi Arabia has give at least $30 million to the Clinton’s money laundering “Foundation.” Other ME countries have given millions as well. And then there’s Huma Abedin.
David ben Gurion says
I think we have already said we are now going to leave the requirement of the European courts application of their racist Human Rights directives. I think we just ignore it. All these fat Poirots stamping their pumps. Their rancid tears.
Mark A says
What an appalling story.
As you say, Robert, Britain is finished. Britainistan seems imminent.
SAKOVKT says
Karl von Clausewitz : due to the onerous nature of war, there will be a defeatist camp on each side. Both opponents arouse their counterpart’s defeatists to sap their will to war.
This is how the USSR poisoned generations with their Potemkin Village-Peace-Hippie Movement.
And the Muslims learned the technique well.
Champ says
“Britian is finished”
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The painful, unvarnished truth about islam upsets many muslims as well …
Champ says
“Britian is finished”
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Oh please …say it ain’t so!!!
“Lie to Me! Tell Me Everything is Alright!
tgusa says
At this time there is a stark and dividing difference between the people and the government in every western nation. The governments need the people to appear to be linked and behind them. Without that they are nothing. We must all stand together and never surrender ground. However I do understand Roberts mission which seems to me to be pushing not writing off.
Baucent says
If “Britain is finished” then so is the good old US of A. Britain and many of the countries of Europe are further down the Islamization process than the US, but make no mistake, you are on the same train to Islamic oblivion, it just might take 20 years longer than in Europe. How do I know? the news stories JW publishes mirror what is happening in Europe and you are about to elect a Democrat president who will open the migrant flood gates. Enjoy your smug self satisfaction while it lasts. And I’m not even British.
Paul says
If Killary is elected, then America will leapfrog Germany in the islamisation
process – and exponentially so – the same country which upstaged the UK last
September. If they let the pro-endless immigration, Saudi Qatari and Soros owned
partner of Turkey and the OIC, co-architect of ISIS, and who is agitating for a
war with Russia, into the White House then it’s all over. A dark day for America
and the rest of the world. It’s not that I think Trump is great, but he’s none of the
above. I’d prefer virtually anyone but her.
ECAW says
The 2017 Race to Perdition Handicap
Sweden – 2 to 1 on (they’re gagging for it)
Germany – Evens (it’s the guilt)
France – 6 to 4 (unless Le Pen can nobble the filly)
Belgium, Holland – 2 to 1 (do they even know?)
Britain – 3 to 1 (despite persistent tipping from racing insiders)
USA – 4 to 1 (to be reassessed in November)
tgusa says
You have a lot to say about everything excepting where you are from. You seem to be ashamed to even mention it. And we are supposed to listen to you?
Ahem says
Where he is from is a side issue and is not even half relevant.
He is correct in his assessment.
I’m from Australia.
That’s also not even half irrelevant.
Ahem says
Oops.
I meant of course, half relevant.
Actually, it’s absolutely and totally irrelevant.
tgusa says
i do not agree, it is of the most importance. Australia is not the USA and from what I read you will be lucky to keep your country. No guns no chance.
Ahem says
If you think that a few magic words on a meaningless document like the American “Carnstitooshun” can or will prevent the US Supreme court from declaring the ownership of guns by citizen to be illegal, then you’re living in cloud cuckoo land, sunshine.
The US Supreme Court makes or abolishes the laws of the United States, whether you like it or not.
The United States elective dictatorship will follow the rest of the world’s elective dictatorships/elective oligarchies into the dustbin of history.
I’m an atheist, but God help us all.
Marbran says
The SCOTUS does not have the authority to rewrite the Constitution. Add to that a few facts: 1) the vast majority of law enforcement personnel in the US support private gun ownership, as do US military personnel; 2) there are an estimated 357 million firearms in the possession of citizens in the US, making the US populace the largest armed militia by far in the entire world. I do not see any gun abolishment law ever – EVER – being enforced here. It would lead to civil war without question.
Carolyne says
While the Supreme Court does not have the authority to rewrite the Constitution, they have the authority to interpret what it means. Where in the constitution does it say there is a right to “Privacy?” Yet, that is the grounds on which they decided Roe vas Wade. Of course they can reinterpret the First and Second Amendments and they will do so if Hillary Clinton appoints justices to the forthcoming vacancies. We will be disarmed and gagged.
Marbran says
Carolyne – “disarmed and gagged?” I highly doubt that would occur easily or quickly. The US has a unique history in that our predecessors won independence, and then protected it by the very 2nd Amendment some think can be so verily easily overturned. There would be no ‘United States’ left in any recognizable form should anyone attempt to disarm us. Gagging, however, is on the ascent, and we have a duplicitous media helping that along.
Marbran says
And US Laws are made by Congress (the People), not by the SCOTUS, although the SCOTUS in modern times has broad leeway in interpreting those laws, sometimes at their own peril.
Carolyne says
I haven’t noticed at “Their own peril.” But certainly to the people’s peril.
Paul says
Why can’t B.Liar be brought to justice? It’s his fault that the soldiers
were in Iraq in the first place. He knew that we knew he was lying
about the pretext for the invasion. How much Iraqi Christian blood is on
his hands since Saddam Hussein was deposed? No, just prosecute
the those who were being used instead. This is sick.
Paul says
*just prosecute those…”
Marbran says
“IHAT was set up by the Labour government in 2010 to examine allegations of murder and torture made by hundreds of Iraqi civilians.” DailyMail
Why am I not surprised?