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Howard says
I was so pleased to hear Mr. Nussbaum use the term “Islamic Fundamentalism” rather than the more popular and inaccurate phrase “Radical Islam.” To call the enemy a “Fundamentalist Muslim” is correct. Calling them a “Radical Muslim” more accurately refers to those who work to tame and replace the fundamental teachings which are followed by the religion’s most faithful and zealous followers.
Examples: Dr. Zuhdi Jasser and his organization are “radical.” Al-Baghdadi and the members of ISIS are “fundamentalists.”
Kepha says
Fundamentalist Muslims? Show me a Muslim who believes that the Old and New Testaments are to be trusted in their entirety (as well as giving both sufficient and necessary knowledge for salvation), that Jesus Christ died as our substitute on the cross, that he was truly dead before he rose from the dead (tasting of death for every man, as the Epistle to the Hebrews puts it), and that he is the one way of salvation, then I will show you someone who will probably be baptized as a Christian as soon as he gets the chance.
The “Fundamentals” originally referred to a serious of books and pamphlets written and published in the early 1900’s expounding a set of doctrines without which, the Protestant authors stated, there is no Christianity.
The term Islamic “fundamentalism” was coined in the late 1970’s to describe the Iranian Revolution and to insinuate that Conservative American Christians (who at the time were abandoning the Democratic party of their grandparents in Jimmeh Cah-duh’s hour of need) were somehow anti-American. Maybe there was a secret tunnel linking Qum to Lynchburg, VA, in which the combined faculties of Falwell’s school and Qom met every Thanksgiving to dine on live-stewed liberated lesbians while the shade of Meir Kahane intoned a borkhes…[last sentence was sarcasm; everything above it Uncle Kepha’s sincere peeve against the MSM and degeneration of our language under its inlfuence].
Howard says
Yes, you are correct, but only if you base your response on the secondary definition of the word “Fundamentalism.” The second definition of “Fundamentalism” per the on-line American Heritage Dictionary is:
“An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 1800s and early 1900s in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture…” My comments were meant to be understood based on the first definition:
“A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to Fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.”
If perceived from the primary definition of the word “Fundamental,” Isn’t this the Islam we fear that desires to bring the non-Islamic world into submission? While the readers of J.W. understand the threat of Islam, regardless of what adjectives might be used, it seems to me that discussing that threat as originating from Islamic “Radicals” clouds the issue and allows for the uninformed to assume that “True Islam” abhors violence. We confuse our conversations when we falsely name such behavior as being “Radical” when in fact these Muslims are quite the opposite of “Radical.” They are following the “Fundamental” teachings of their faith.
Is there any way in which Islam can be called “Radical?” Yes, but only when contrasted against all the religions of the world. It is “Radical” when compared to Catholicism, Protestantism, Mormons, Buddhists and Hindus. However, those Muslims who are the most faithful in their adherence to the principles of Islam as taught by Mohammed, are “Fundamentalists.” As such, they are bad people. While those who work to “radically” change the path of Islam and bring it out of the Dark Ages are good people, although they are bad Muslims.
I hope that clarifies the point I was aiming to make in my post.
Mo says
@ Kepha
A fundamentalist is just someone who believes and follows the fundamentals – the foundational teachings – of their religion.
Howard says
Thanks Mo
john spielman says
If so; then will Hiilary / Hitlery/Shilary, -the Hilda Beast, be forced to wear a face veil and will Bill Clinton be stoned for adultery with Monica Lewinsky????
Lord Jim says
“will Bill Clinton be stoned for adultery with Monica Lewinsky????”
I believe Lewinsky (the woman) would be the one stoned for adultery under Sharia law.
Schrödinger says
Violent jihadists won’t have to struggle, sacrifice, self-detonate, even point their damned finger under a Hillary/Billary/Kane/Huma White house junta. They’ll enjoy a 4 to 8 year holiday while a violent Dhimmi tailwind drives the cadence of creeping Sharia from a trot to a canter to a full gallop. Just the big win their Gulf State punters and/or relatives are all anticipating. Inshal la de da.
Make them lose — Vote Pence 4 President.
underbed cat says
Trump/ Pence
Kepha says
The very sad thing about all of this is that liberal jurists are all gaga over Sharia only to prove how liberal and “open-minded” they are; but at the same time, they are showing how dangerously ignorant they are. Impeach and remove them!
underbed cat says
Islam has been blooming undetected for most of my lifetime, silently before and exponentially after 9/11 in the U.S,, All the while building structures and dissolving into our culture with one goal in mind securing a misinformation campaign and developing a visual front of tolerance and now a goal to silence speech that would bring to light a problem, sharia the glue of Islam. A perfect plan of cooperating insurgency. Some saw it most did not.
And no flags at the HLS, Coast Guard?
underbed cat says
American flag.Insert.
underbed cat says
It has been hard just to get people to say that terrorism is “radical islam”,,when it is just fundamental doctrine or islam. Incredible that it is the source, and still we have or had government officials that claim it is radical, or hijacked by a group of mentally ill people. The name of the terror group, whether Isis, isil, boko harem, etc….etc.really is rooted in the koran verses and doctrine, whether Sunni or Shite, the source of laws one must follow. I know everyone here wants to scream it from the roof tops. But just listening to the debates tonight, Trump still says “radical”, but did very well, the moderators seem to be very clueless.
Just knowing the doctrine could really start to unravel the power, as people and western governments would not longer aid and abet with cash and weapons and human life.
Howard says
“…when it is just [the] fundamental doctrine…”
Thanks underbed cat. I truly believe the recognition of this and the replacement of “Radical” with the word “Fundamental” whenever discussing the subject is a significant matter.
underbed cat says
Robert Spencer and many other subject experts, who worked diligently to understand a foreign and relatively unknown doctrine of islam are the heros working for our safety. All of your work has been tremendous and we have all learned the details and strategies. I personally think if we survive, the persons who kept at this work will go down in history.