All you have to know is that “hate speech” is a **completely** subjective and usually loaded term, and if you can’t “stifle” “hate speech” without killing free speech.
le mouron rougesays
FCC Approves Foreign Takeover of U.S. Broadcasters
Robert, what a superb presentation! Difficult as it was for me to select from among so many of your excellent cautions, I found this to be your most compelling advice: “Speak the truth fearlessly.”
Clearly, you practice what you preach. Well done, teacher!
Champsays
Well stated, Cecilia!! I agree! 🙂
Jay Boosays
When Leftist defenders of Islam are questioned about the Qur’an.
“But isn’t the Bible full of violence too”, they will argue.
Having read neither, they will automatically and eagerly assume the worst for the Bible and make baseless excuses for Islam.
Morgan Spectorsays
The major incidents of violence in the Bible are historical only. For Christians the New Testament abrogates violence against enemies (“Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you” — Matthew 5:44). In Islam, however, the violence in Islam is a part of contemporary Islam, especially (though not specifically) jihad. This is not surprising since Islam itself is a doctrine of expansion and conquest.
Hari Singhsays
Yes but biblical violence is against hittites, amaleks, moabites etc people who no longer exist
Mosays
@ Jay Boo
When Leftist defenders of Islam are questioned about the Qur’an.
“But isn’t the Bible full of violence too”, they will argue.
Having read neither, they will automatically and eagerly assume the worst for the Bible and make baseless excuses for Islam.
Yep. All you have to do is say, “You’ve never read either one, so why would you care?”
The infantilization of grown-ups – assuming they need a government association telling them what’s hate-speech and what isn’t and that without it they’ll all turn into rabid, bloodthirsty nazi-like creatures out for blood, dragging innocent people from their homes and dragging through the streets before lynching them.
somehistorysays
There is a kid’s game where one tries to gain ground by asking permission, “May I?” and permission is given. In between the requests, while other kids are making theirs, some kids inch forward and stop when the one granting permission looks their way. Over time, a short period actually, they reach the person and they get to be the one giving permission.
The taking away of free speech from those who have spoken freely all of their lives would not be easy if they were grabbed by the throat and told what was going to happen. But, the moslims and their supporters are inching up, bit by bit and getting bolder as they see they have almost reached their goal of silencing everyone else.
linntesays
The game is called Simon Says. Pernicious Islam acts the same way.
Mubaraksays
In a forum like JW the focus is naturally on free speech as a political right to exercise or to be defended, demanded or fought for, and rightfully so.
Psychologically speaking the opposite of free speech is compulsive speaking, and here is where the rubber meets the road. This kind of speaking is not arrested by political means; ideally it is up to the compulsive speaker to arrest it him- or herself.
A quote of Edmund is pertinent in this context:
“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites…in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”
I doubt that the brainwashing through endless and mindless recitations of the Quran and the calls to Muslim prayers from megaphones mounted on minarets qualify as free speech, but the same kind of propagandistic speech abound in the West, and we won’t come to terms with Islam by applying the same numbing means, madness and methods against people, who themselves have specialized in it. The question is: How will we?
Mubaraksays
PS: Edmund’s last name is of cause “Burke”.
Mubaraksays
PS : “of cause” is of course off course.
linntesays
This is a special case, where Islam can claim two very distinct categories: religion and political ideology. How does one divide the two when, like a gleonoma, the political tentacles are incorporated into the brain and the brain cannot be saved when removing the cancer.
Therefore Islam will kill all who it infects. Including passers by. Eradication of the disease is the only answer. Complete eradication in whatever form that may mean. Islams “right” to be a religion is trumped by its ideology of Totalitarianism. Sorry Mu, but you lose. I think that’s why so many here can’t tolerate your typical form of Islamic infection called taqyyia. We all deep down know the answer- extermination of all things Islamic.
Mubaraksays
I’m not here to win an argument and get a pad on my back, linnte, and I’m open for seeing things from different angles and also open for corrections. But these are more likely to hit their mark if invectives and stupidities are avoided.
Praeceptor Maximussays
Robert, this was an absolutely superb speech. I wish that Oprah Winfrey, who just endorsed Hillary, could hear this. If or when Hillary becomes president, America will become just another corrupt dictatorship. God bless you for educating these young people about the importance of free speech and the realities of Islam and Islamic terrorism. They need to arm themselves with facts for the war that is coming.
Mubaraksays
A culture that “piss Christ” as RS mentions in his talk – and that can be done in many ways – has left itself without exuse. Its piss will be on its own head and Islam will be it.
We don’t install Christ, Barabbas will operate our systems by default.
Mubaraksays
Sorry: exuse = excuse
melancholy observersays
I live in Australia. where religious Hate speech laws function in three states and one territory Victoria, Queensland and Tasmania. already. Religious hate speech laws do not apply in the other three states. ie NSW, SA and Western Australia, nor federally. However Muslim and left left members of Parliament are pushing for Federal hate speech laws which we already have in regard to supposed racial vilification. to be extended to religion, as is the case in Dhimmitude Britain. Like America, Australia stands on the edge of a precipice of these iniquitous proscriptions against free speech. It is time we put the cowardly scumbags who support these attacks on our liberties under unremitting political pressure, until the real intention of America’s first amendment is reasserted and free speech becomes a reality once more in countries like Britain and Australia. The good news is that people are waking up. opposition to the hate speech scandal. is growing by the day. It is a race against time however.
Jeffsays
Where are all the first amendment absolutists? Remember them? Are they all dead now?
Well, they were ready for a fight when pornography, “dirty words,” and strip clubs [in other words, “obscenity”] were banned or restricted. But god forbid someone criticize Islam — then they’re nowhere to be found. The left has created a new obscenity: it’s called “hate speech” and “group defamation.” And the first amendment tigers won’t fight leftist attempts to ban them. It’s going to be a long four years with Huma and Hillary in the Why(te) House. Are you guys ready?
Ray Msays
The head of the snake is George Soros
Their amoral society is what their government deliberately created. And no, it’s not their doing for voting their government into power – we know all elections have been rigged for decades. Name the true enemies – Soros, Rothschilds, Bilderbergs – the Globalists. These Globalists have no affiliation with any particular country – they see themselves as entirely above and separate from everyone else on the planet. Countries are just pawns in their game. The people within those countries are simply resources to be used and disposed of like cattle. You, me and everyone else have very little control over anything. We are fed lies, we are poisoned, we are dumb ed down. Unless we point out our real enemies for all to see then nothing will change. Put aside your dislike of any particular countries, religions or demographic groups and instead direct your anger where it is deserved.
Mosays
@ Ray M
Anything to say about Islam? You know, the point of this video?
Cretiussays
Islam is a fascist totalitarian political system that includes a religion of jihad, bigotry, intolerance, sexism and barbaric cultural practises. Muslims are their own worst enemies. They even kill each other! No one has to lie about Islam. Simply bear witness to the intolerance, bigotry and hatred spread by imams online. Muslims demand respect and rights that they deny to everyone else. This makes them unfit immigrants/refugees to modern western democracies.
Allowing such a poisonous political system/religion in is tantamount to committing national suicide.
Islam_Macht_Frei says
All you have to know is that “hate speech” is a **completely** subjective and usually loaded term, and if you can’t “stifle” “hate speech” without killing free speech.
le mouron rouge says
FCC Approves Foreign Takeover of U.S. Broadcasters
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/fcc-approves-foreign-takeover-of-u-s-broadcasters/
Cecilia Ellis says
Robert, what a superb presentation! Difficult as it was for me to select from among so many of your excellent cautions, I found this to be your most compelling advice: “Speak the truth fearlessly.”
Clearly, you practice what you preach. Well done, teacher!
Champ says
Well stated, Cecilia!! I agree! 🙂
Jay Boo says
When Leftist defenders of Islam are questioned about the Qur’an.
“But isn’t the Bible full of violence too”, they will argue.
Having read neither, they will automatically and eagerly assume the worst for the Bible and make baseless excuses for Islam.
Morgan Spector says
The major incidents of violence in the Bible are historical only. For Christians the New Testament abrogates violence against enemies (“Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you” — Matthew 5:44). In Islam, however, the violence in Islam is a part of contemporary Islam, especially (though not specifically) jihad. This is not surprising since Islam itself is a doctrine of expansion and conquest.
Hari Singh says
Yes but biblical violence is against hittites, amaleks, moabites etc people who no longer exist
Mo says
@ Jay Boo
When Leftist defenders of Islam are questioned about the Qur’an.
“But isn’t the Bible full of violence too”, they will argue.
Having read neither, they will automatically and eagerly assume the worst for the Bible and make baseless excuses for Islam.
Yep. All you have to do is say, “You’ve never read either one, so why would you care?”
Watch them disappear!
overman says
Excellent Talk. Thanks Robert.
Stephanie says
hater no. 1 http://quran.com/60/4 ‘… hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’
Stephanie says
2m HATE™ speech vs. Muslims FORBIDDEN in @MiamiHerald
https://twitter.com/schnellmann_org/status/790276250438950912
Angemon says
The infantilization of grown-ups – assuming they need a government association telling them what’s hate-speech and what isn’t and that without it they’ll all turn into rabid, bloodthirsty nazi-like creatures out for blood, dragging innocent people from their homes and dragging through the streets before lynching them.
somehistory says
There is a kid’s game where one tries to gain ground by asking permission, “May I?” and permission is given. In between the requests, while other kids are making theirs, some kids inch forward and stop when the one granting permission looks their way. Over time, a short period actually, they reach the person and they get to be the one giving permission.
The taking away of free speech from those who have spoken freely all of their lives would not be easy if they were grabbed by the throat and told what was going to happen. But, the moslims and their supporters are inching up, bit by bit and getting bolder as they see they have almost reached their goal of silencing everyone else.
linnte says
The game is called Simon Says. Pernicious Islam acts the same way.
Mubarak says
In a forum like JW the focus is naturally on free speech as a political right to exercise or to be defended, demanded or fought for, and rightfully so.
Psychologically speaking the opposite of free speech is compulsive speaking, and here is where the rubber meets the road. This kind of speaking is not arrested by political means; ideally it is up to the compulsive speaker to arrest it him- or herself.
A quote of Edmund is pertinent in this context:
“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites…in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”
I doubt that the brainwashing through endless and mindless recitations of the Quran and the calls to Muslim prayers from megaphones mounted on minarets qualify as free speech, but the same kind of propagandistic speech abound in the West, and we won’t come to terms with Islam by applying the same numbing means, madness and methods against people, who themselves have specialized in it. The question is: How will we?
Mubarak says
PS: Edmund’s last name is of cause “Burke”.
Mubarak says
PS : “of cause” is of course off course.
linnte says
This is a special case, where Islam can claim two very distinct categories: religion and political ideology. How does one divide the two when, like a gleonoma, the political tentacles are incorporated into the brain and the brain cannot be saved when removing the cancer.
Therefore Islam will kill all who it infects. Including passers by. Eradication of the disease is the only answer. Complete eradication in whatever form that may mean. Islams “right” to be a religion is trumped by its ideology of Totalitarianism. Sorry Mu, but you lose. I think that’s why so many here can’t tolerate your typical form of Islamic infection called taqyyia. We all deep down know the answer- extermination of all things Islamic.
Mubarak says
I’m not here to win an argument and get a pad on my back, linnte, and I’m open for seeing things from different angles and also open for corrections. But these are more likely to hit their mark if invectives and stupidities are avoided.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Robert, this was an absolutely superb speech. I wish that Oprah Winfrey, who just endorsed Hillary, could hear this. If or when Hillary becomes president, America will become just another corrupt dictatorship. God bless you for educating these young people about the importance of free speech and the realities of Islam and Islamic terrorism. They need to arm themselves with facts for the war that is coming.
Mubarak says
A culture that “piss Christ” as RS mentions in his talk – and that can be done in many ways – has left itself without exuse. Its piss will be on its own head and Islam will be it.
We don’t install Christ, Barabbas will operate our systems by default.
Mubarak says
Sorry: exuse = excuse
melancholy observer says
I live in Australia. where religious Hate speech laws function in three states and one territory Victoria, Queensland and Tasmania. already. Religious hate speech laws do not apply in the other three states. ie NSW, SA and Western Australia, nor federally. However Muslim and left left members of Parliament are pushing for Federal hate speech laws which we already have in regard to supposed racial vilification. to be extended to religion, as is the case in Dhimmitude Britain. Like America, Australia stands on the edge of a precipice of these iniquitous proscriptions against free speech. It is time we put the cowardly scumbags who support these attacks on our liberties under unremitting political pressure, until the real intention of America’s first amendment is reasserted and free speech becomes a reality once more in countries like Britain and Australia. The good news is that people are waking up. opposition to the hate speech scandal. is growing by the day. It is a race against time however.
Jeff says
Where are all the first amendment absolutists? Remember them? Are they all dead now?
Well, they were ready for a fight when pornography, “dirty words,” and strip clubs [in other words, “obscenity”] were banned or restricted. But god forbid someone criticize Islam — then they’re nowhere to be found. The left has created a new obscenity: it’s called “hate speech” and “group defamation.” And the first amendment tigers won’t fight leftist attempts to ban them. It’s going to be a long four years with Huma and Hillary in the Why(te) House. Are you guys ready?
Ray M says
The head of the snake is George Soros
Their amoral society is what their government deliberately created. And no, it’s not their doing for voting their government into power – we know all elections have been rigged for decades. Name the true enemies – Soros, Rothschilds, Bilderbergs – the Globalists. These Globalists have no affiliation with any particular country – they see themselves as entirely above and separate from everyone else on the planet. Countries are just pawns in their game. The people within those countries are simply resources to be used and disposed of like cattle. You, me and everyone else have very little control over anything. We are fed lies, we are poisoned, we are dumb ed down. Unless we point out our real enemies for all to see then nothing will change. Put aside your dislike of any particular countries, religions or demographic groups and instead direct your anger where it is deserved.
Mo says
@ Ray M
Anything to say about Islam? You know, the point of this video?
Cretius says
Islam is a fascist totalitarian political system that includes a religion of jihad, bigotry, intolerance, sexism and barbaric cultural practises. Muslims are their own worst enemies. They even kill each other! No one has to lie about Islam. Simply bear witness to the intolerance, bigotry and hatred spread by imams online. Muslims demand respect and rights that they deny to everyone else. This makes them unfit immigrants/refugees to modern western democracies.
Allowing such a poisonous political system/religion in is tantamount to committing national suicide.