The UK Home Office banned me from entering Britain because I said: “[Islam] is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers…”
Will Welby now be banned from Britain?
“Justin Welby: It’s time to stop saying Isil has ‘nothing to do with Islam,'” by John Bingham, Telegraph, November 18, 2016:
Claims that the atrocities of the Islamic State have “nothing to do with Islam” are harming efforts to confront and combat extremism, the Archbishop of Canterbury has insisted.
Religious leaders of all varieties must “stand up and take responsibility” for the actions of extremists who profess to follow their faith, the Most Rev Justin Welby said.
He argued that unless people recognise and attempt to understand the motivation of terrorists they will never be able to combat their ideology effectively.
It follows calls from a series of high profile figures for people to avoid using the term Islamic State – also known as Isil, Isis and Daesh – because, they say, its murderous tactics go against Islamic teaching and that using the name could help legitimise the group’s own propaganda.
But the Archbishop said that it is essential to recognise extremists’ religious motivation in order to get to grips with the problem.
He also said it was time for countries across Europe to recognise and rediscover the “Judaeo Christian” roots of their culture to find solutions to the mass disenchantment which led to the Brexit vote in the UK and the rise of anti-establishment leaders in the continent and beyond.
His comments came during a lecture at the Catholic Institute of Paris, as he was awarded an honorary doctorate.
Although the Archbishop voted for the UK to remain in the European Union, his lecture contained a scathing critique of “centralisation, corruption and bureaucracy” in the EU which he said he handed its opponents “easy ammunition”….

EYESOPEN says
The Archbishop of Canterbury is STILL an idiot.
mortimer says
The current Archbishop of Canterbury is a very smart guy. He knows a lot more than he is able to say. It would un-Christian of me to say who the idiot is.
Rob says
“…The current Archbishop of Canterbury is a very smart guy…”
But the LAST one, Rowan Williams, advocated including Shariah into UK law – for Muslims…
His “reasoning” had less todo with reason than with a politically-correct appeasement of Islam’s discomfort with British laws, which are against everything for which Islam stands.
Immigrants to any country must accept the laws, or not go there. This message – and its uncomfortable necessity doesn’t sit well with a pampered, softened democracy, which has not yet recognised how Islam uses free speech to call for those who disagree, to shut up.
Jordan says
1971 genocide, islams invasion of India, jihad vs crusades, Christians resistance to jihad part 1-5, the people vs Mohammed , Arab man meltdown, not hard to dig through the inter webs to find out that Islam is by far not a religion of peace and has done far more horrific things then all other religions combined ..just saying ..but they play victims so the leftist pander to their bull crap
Caroline says
That is debateable. He has said Britain has plenty of room for lots more migrants. He also rejected Nigel Farage’s request to address the problems caused by by migrants in Canterbury, sexual assaults etc. Welby is a left wing fool,but it is encouraging that he may be starting to wake up, finally.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Caroline.
Peggy says
I doubt that he is waking up. I think he has always been awake but now he sees the writing on the wall.
He see Trump winning, Brexit and Marie LePen on the rise. He is only hitching his wagon to the victors.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
The LEADERS of the GOD-ABANDONED Christian Churches are able to LEAD only from BEHIND. They are NOT like Peter and his FRIENDS in “THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES” all BECAUSE they do not have in PRACTICE the SPIRIT OF JESUS THE LORD.
UNLIKE these above Church LEADERS, we have THE TRUE APOSTLES OF THE LORD in today’s World in centres like : THE DIVINE and THE SEHION Retreat Centres. Please GOOGLE for finding out more details about them. THE DIVINE has a branch in UK (Ramsgate).
DFD says
Mortimer say: “…He knows a lot more than he is able to say. It would un-Christian of me to say who the idiot is.”
EXACTLY.
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They **know a lot more than you (many readers) think**! A lot more, they get info not available to/that never reaches the public.
Do they know? Consider Pope Benedict’s Regensburg address, the one that lead to his resignation. For health reasons of course, though he’s still around, thank God.
Of interest: “….he is able to say.. .” Even if he were to say it, would it be publicised? If he would say it, would it lead to his “resignation? Or worse, murder by a ‘deranged’ member of his commonity, like it was the case after Father Milch in Germany spoke out in an hour long sermon – he got killed just a few years afterwards. Like Benedict, continued for a few years, then… resign. He was lucky I think. On the other hand, murdering a Pope may cause some attention, unless you can call him Nazi. Always works, justifies everything
Peggy says
I agree. I have always been of opinion that they are not ignorant at all. They have information from sources we will never know.
So with limited information we have (compared to theirs) we are able to see what we are dealing with and they can’t? I just cannot accept that.
They have always known and they are part of the problem.
underbed cat says
It is brave of the Archbishop of Canterbury to speak out in an environment of information silence on Islam, that has legal consequences. The legal consequences have ties to sharia law, which have ties to Islam that uses words such as tolerance to confuse the target and disconnect any connection to warfare against non-believers which is found in the book that the terrorist carry and the imams read but never talk about? Hmmm strange and clever, or two audiences perhaps.? But the imams talk to the politicians and serve as the educators….stranger still.
jaem says
ha ha….you have that right! I love that leaders in politics and religion are finally confronting the obvious lies that we have had to put up with for so long!
roger woodhouse says
He is but hes an ‘establishment ‘idiot so that makes it OK.Only such people are allowed to make judgements like this one.Its taken him 10 years to come to this realisation so its all safely(for him) too late for the rest of us
Marty says
You’re right.
It’s a bit late coming, & the whole speech mentions Christian
& Hindu extremists – who certainly do exist – but are not
significant to the West’s survival.
The previous one – who had a beard full of breakfast – was a
funny kind of Christian, & had been a commie mate of Blair’s
when at university.
His Christianity said that all religions are equally desirable as long
as they believe in a sky god.
Rather like England’s soccer managers, he didn’t mind who
destroyed his team, as long as they were playing some version of
football.
DeAnna Boden says
show me where a born again Christian and Hindus chopped off heads, crucified children, put prisoners in a cage then drowned them, burn them alive, stone them to death etc.
BC says
Well let us acknowledge that he has said something sensible and in a very public forum also. It is rare for the ‘princes of the church’ to say anything sensible. The top of the RC church in particular. He has just ‘created’ 17 new cardinals whom I expect will be his yes men.
RAB says
Come on! Give the guy a break. This is at least a small change in the right direction.
D J says
Well there is more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents etc.
It is a start.
dumbledoresarmy says
Exactly.
The thing to do now is to *write* to him. Very politely, and *briefly*, using all the correct etiquette.
But, basically: try to push him a bit further in the direction of the truth.
Christians, and in particular persons within the Anglican communion, such as myself, have to step up, and put in our two cents. Those who are Anglicans can refer him to one of the most astute scholars and critics of Islam around, from within our own communion, namely, Aussie priest and scholar Rev Dr Mark Durie. We can encourage the Archbishop to get in touch with Dr Durie and have a nice long cosy chat. Tell him to make use of his resources. In the shape of Dr Durie he has a *fantastic* resource and should NOT let it go to waste.
Lucia Bartoli says
He is speaking directly and without that nonsense of political correctness. I hope people listen to him!
JIMJFOX says
Almost as idiotic as your comment?
Johli Baptist says
So he has coherently argued opinions based on reason and evidence which do not accord with your own views?
Theodore says
You oh-so politically correct Brits can have Islam…and Shariah!
Johli Baptist says
A comment by someone who knows very little about Britain, because in Wales there are very few Muslims, and all of them would not fill Cardiff Arms Park. The Welsh would not put up with their alcohol bans, having once had a strong temperance movement, and they would not tolerate any oppressive shariah laws. They have had enough of English repression. Cymru Am Byth!
Barry Donnelly says
Wow ! Has he been doing roids or taking testosterone ? The little fruit finally grew some balls ! If he keeps it up, I’m going to start believing it might be from God !
particolor says
Its our Governments !! They have nothing to do with “Homeland Security” !!
PRCS says
Funny.
DFD says
particolor:
May I correct you please?
Our (??) governmentshave everything to do with “homeland *IN*security”. After all, they are responsible for it.
Westman says
If the Islamic state is unrelated to Islam, then the Vatican and the Archbishop of Canterbury are unrelated to Chistianity.
Even as an Agnostic I have little choice but to agree with the Archbishop that the EU has no tangible moral principles upon which it was founded and its countries are quickly losing their cultural identity. With little more than PC “everyone is the same” identity it is easy pickings for a culture that knows what it is and has goals. Someone, anyone, tell us, outside of the economy, what is the EU, what are its social goals to which the EU populations have sworn allegiance? “My EU tis of thee…”, uhuh.
The Left still hasn’t realized that their “anything goes”-plus-Globalism has gone too far and the US and UK are pulling back from that nationless abyss that’s happening to the EU.
Kids may burn cars and scream of myriad social causes, all requiring someone else’s money and effort, but a good parent and country will learn to say “NO!, you can’t have everything you want at the expense of other people’s labor”.
Michael Copeland says
EU “Core Values”……Destroying white Christian Europe
DFD says
Westman says: “…..Kids may burn cars and scream of myriad social causes, all requiring someone else’s money and effort, but a good parent and country will learn to say “NO!, you can’t have everything you want at the expense of other people’s labor”. …”
You’re calling for counter-revolution. Sorry, I meant to say: ‘Reformation’. Nice to meet you brother!
Demsci says
“//Even as an Agnostic I have little choice but to agree with the Archbishop that the EU has no tangible moral principles upon which it was founded and its countries are quickly losing their cultural identity. With little more than PC “everyone is the same” identity it is easy pickings for a culture that knows what it is and has goals.”//
I, atheist, feel as if you nailed something very important here. Thanks for this astute conclusion and formulation.
And shown one of the reasons, perhaps, of the astonishing strength and resilience of the manifestly untrue, quite useless, superfluous religion of Islam in the world and the west,
why Muslims are not (yet) enticed en masse to let go of this millstone around their necks, this impediment to good and ongoing development of nations.
In a nutshell; The Muslims do know what they have, are for. They have these tenets, this rolemodel, this promise of heaven. In contrast, Westerners are either without such tenets or if they have them too, they are hopelessly divided and opposing each other.
Broadly speaking and Tenet-wise, ideology-wise, it looks like the one-eyed group is king in the land of the blind.
That’s why I am so glad with this new “Trump-movement”, new patriottism for America and it’s democratic system.
JIMJFOX says
Tenets and ideology seem to have no need of facts or truth, do they?
Lucia Bartoli says
You stated that perfectly. Thank you
Isabella says
Mr. Spencer: what you knew all along the Archbishop is just starting to comprehend it. I know your position is one of frustration to see the clueless who are in influential positions lack awareness!!!!
yuval says
He finally opened the Manual. I e the Quran so as to make an informed opinion. Wonderful. When all else fails read the Manual
mortimer says
Marcus Welby just cracked open the political correctness jail. The inmates will start leaving one by one and then there’ll be a stampede.
The globalist traitors who made a pact with the JIHADIST DEVILS have lost.
Thank you, Your Grace, this long overdue!
Praeceptor Maximus says
Hear, hear, mortimer.
roger woodhouse says
Yes but he just couldnt help himself by including all those other (genuinely peacefull )religions in the same category could he .Just to cover his back in case!
somehistory says
That is the point. He made all equal after all, no difference. And didn’t he, just a month or two ago, say something about islam that was quite putrid?
I can’t quite recall exactly what he said, but I recall seeing the same photo above the article.
He’s trying to cover all bases here, otherwise, he would have just stuck to the evils of islam and not brought in those who claim other faiths and act contrary to them.
isis is not acting contrary to islam.
CrossWare says
Can’t wait when the Queen will say it and then she will be banned from the UK.
Dacritic says
Haha. Genius.
Since we’re on it, what is the Queen, or the royal family as a whole, doing to prevent Londonistan or Britainistan? She’s the Queen, if she says no more Muslim migrants until we know “what the hell is going on”, then surely no questions asked, right? It’s time the royal family got off their arses and earn their royal privileges.
CrossWare says
I wondered about the same thing. As a Canadian citizen who got employed by the government at one time, I had to take an oath to being fateful and preserve all the wealth blah blah for the royal family, for the Queen and all her descendants.
I guess they do not care for their inheritance anymore or they are also in on the globalist jig of converting the world into a version of the Hunger Games where they will live happily ever after in their Capital city while the rest of us will be mixed in with muslims suppressed by their violent supremacist ideology: islam. (all lowercase intended!)
gravenimage says
Archbishop of Canterbury: Stop saying Islamic State has “nothing to do with Islam”
……………………….
Wow! A big change from the cringing dhimmitude of Rowan Williams. Kudos to Archbishop Welby.
Michael Copeland says
There is a picture of the Downing Street spokesman on Islam:
https://www.facebook.com/LibertyGBParty/photos/a.376867075763744.1073741828.376566465793805/866284000155380/?type=3&theater
rightrightright says
Welby is as much a Red as the rest of his globalising communist gang. However, post Brexit, Trump and the consequent raised expectations of patriots across Europe, Welby’s controllers have told him to appear to take a step backwards. To be followed by two steps forward as soon as the shadows fall across his feet so nobody can see him play catch up.
There is no difference between Welby and that druid chap, Rowan Williams, who he succeeded. The succession was certainly political. The C of E is stitched up by the Left just as thoroughly as is the Vatican.
Demsci says
Great progress indeed, from a highplaced official in the Church of England!!!
But how could
//”Religious leaders of all varieties must “stand up and take responsibility” for the actions of extremists who profess to follow their faith”//
Work out effectively?
Yes, the religious leaders could condemn the actions of Extremist who Profess their Faith” (EPF) and they do. But that is useless, because
A. It does precisely what the Archbishop does not want; It denies a valid connection between the faith in question (Islam) and the actions of the EPF.
B. This is too relative; the same religious leaders or part of them might well condemn Israel, America, the West and the Democratic system and laws EVEN MORE. My guess is that happens a lot.
Relevant to this also is that Islam has the deathpenalty for apostasy.
So although the religious leaders might condemn the Extremists who Profess their Faith as “un-Islamic” they would condemn them even more if these actually apostasized.
And that’s a crazy situation. It is much more natural and democratic to let some committee inside a religion/ ideology have the power to declare what is and what is not of the faith in question and the power to officially throw out of their organisation those who persist in officially digressing from that official position. But that requires such a powerful committee and moreover a quality mark for a “true” follower of the faith in question.
My thought experiment goes like this: When religious leaders really want to start to take responsibility; they can demand choices from all those who profess their faith; In a 4-partition.
Yes, it is quite OK if your first favorites are of your own religion (if these are OK democracy-wise), group I. And yes, it is also perfectly OK to have your scapegoats, enemies among unbelievers, group 4.
But they must demand: it is imperative that you, believer, choose from among the unbelievers, secondary favorites, group 2, to be loyal to, like democratic leaders, and to cooperate with.
And that you consciously choose them over believers, your co-religionists, that are anti-Democratic, anti-Western in their loyalties, which to you must be group 3, inferior for following to group 1 + 2.
You no longer can choose unequivocally to prefer all your co-religionists over all unbelievers.
And neutrality of Muslims, and especially of new immigrants, residing in Democratic countries, should also no longer be tolerated.
And there can be lying and cheating, but choice of democratic unbelievers (group 2) over and above anti-democratic co-religionists (group 3) is
what should constitute “taking responsibility of religious leaders towards “Extremists who profess their faith”. IMO.
Westcoastjohnny says
If you read the telegraph article to the end you’ll find he’s not singling out Islam, but talking about religious extremists in general. In other words it’s the same old b.s. that denies a special hostility towards unbelievers exists in the Koran.
Baucent says
That may be so, but he would know singling out Islam would cause him to stomped all over by the Left. By going “all religions have extremists” it doesn’t exclude Islam at all, and allows him to slip in his criticisms, like; “Religious leaders of all varieties must “stand up and take responsibility” for the actions of extremists who profess to follow their faith, the Most Rev Justin Welby said.” The reader would quickly review their memory of Extremist Christians, Buddhists and others and realize one religion, Islam is leading the field in the violent extremist stakes.
That is way further beyond what the Pope and other protestant churchmen have said recently.
Barry says
Bring on the Crusades.
Lucia Bartoli says
AMEN!!!!
Richard says
80% of the British government people are cowards. The Churches must get out of the war all together Sorry to say but the Archbishop of Canterbury is coward too.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
Any TRUE Christian has a REASON to die for : Christ, Jesus THE LORD.
All other Christians are COWARDS.
ANYWAY we ALL have to DIE one day, then why NOT die for Christ, THE LORD?
Inspiration for this disposition comes from HABITUAL meditation on GOD’S WORD.
Richard says
We all owe God a death.
Smart guy says
Religious fundamentalism come from following what has been written as opposed to councils of leaders or teachers of any faith. A Fundamentalist Christian such as say Martin Luther would follow what is in the
Bible and ignore Vatican Councils or Bishops and Popes. The same with Islam. Fundamentalist Muslims will follow that has been written in the Koran and Hadith etc. and ignore the Imams or any so called
“moderates” Fundamentalists believe that what has been written in the word of God. Theologians are
therefore ignored because they do not follow what has been written, Years ago few people could read or
write so it was the preacher that people had to rely on but no more. Since almost all can read and write
the pastor, if he deviates from what is written, runs the risk of having no flock. Churches that follow what
has been written, or right-wing churches are full such as Jehovah’s Witnesses. whereas those that have
pastors with degrees in theology are empty.
Same with Islam if you deviate from the Koran then your Mosque will be empty. The Koran is the word
of God is it not? If an Imam starts preaching “Moderation in all things” he is preaching from the Bible,
he is not preaching from the Koran.
How many people go to church but have never read the bible?
Same with Islam. how many Moslems have read the Koran?
Jews can recite prayers in Hebrew but do not know what they are saying !! true story.
Muslims can recite the Koran in Arabic and have no clue as to what they are reciting.
The Latin Mass !! etc. etc.
However, a fundamentalist knows what he is reading !
Ted Tyler says
Some good points SG, but “if you deviate from the Koran then your Mosque will be empty”. combine with: ”
Same with Islam. how many Moslems have read the Koran?”. If They don’t know what is in the Koran, how will they know that a deviation has been made?
When I was young, many centuries ago, I really liked listening to Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. He had charisma and was a great story teller – and that was what brought me to his lectures.
Michael Copeland says
“Ninety per cent of muslims know absolutely nothing about the Koran”
IQ Rassooli
Arabic speaking Iraqi, expert of thirty years standing on Islam
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/246010/allah-same-god-bible-glazov-gang-frontpagemagcom
jewdog says
Welby comes through!
Zelazek says
There is an interesting state that lies midway between stupidity and lying. It’s called being wilfully blind. The sufferers may be vaguely aware of an anomalous fact, but since it contradicts their pc worldview they can’t bear to face it. Welby may be in the first throes of a paradigm shift.
Peter Ahlskog says
To reject Islam as ideology is to reject Nazism as ideology. Because they are the same.
Europe’s and the US problems are a growing knowledge gap in relation to successful East Asian countries, and the fact that other countries have cheaper labor for simple jobs and for uncomplicated handling and processing of raw materials.
In addition, the Western European countries are wrestling with mass immigration of hundreds of thousands of people with inadequate education and work experience. And they are almost all Muslims.
When the influx of Muslims to a secular, enlightened, highly developed country has passed a breakthrough limit, there is no return. They have taken hold, and will by so-called “stealth jihad” – through sabotage and public pressure gradually change the country in the direction they want. When the majority of Muslims don’t pay any income tax but taking a lot of the country’s resources through different allowances, this behavior runs the country – however it tries saving money by cutting down welfare for the elderly, disabled, children and other vulnerable groups – slowly but surely toward economic collapse. The magic limit is calculated to 7-11% Muslims, depending on how the actual Western country’s constitution, laws and political system looks like. No other minorities – Chinese, Russians, non-Muslims Africans, Latin Americans, etc.– are able in the same way as Muslims to take over a country if they constitute less than one-tenth of the total population. This is because Islam is designed to defeat enemies who are numerically superior.
Islam is an ideology which promise you glory and eternal life in a paradise where it’s Christmas, party, vine, amusement and numerous of sex partners every day. Religions can’t compete with the ideology Islam. Christianity, Judaism and Bahai promise you a holier life close to God if you have lived a humble and honest life, loved even your enemies, and as a believer been serving God’s all creations. Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism promise you a better life when you are reborn into the next life on earth, if you have lived in an almost self-effacing life and loved both friends and enemies. Only Islam reward you – and that plentiful – if you kill as many as possible of those who do not worship Allah as a Muslim. You just have to fight the enemies of Islam to go that paradise, and if you die for Islam you will go there at once. Strange – if you follow the shariah laws and Islam every day in your life, your reward will be to go to a place without shariah laws and Islam when you are dead!
From their areas and mosques the Muslims are fighting a low-intensity war against the infidels in the country. One rule is to always blame the “infidels” for having created these “exclusion areas” with poor schools and slum. To always blame the Swedes, Danes, Germans, French, Austrians, Swiss or wherever they live for everything, is just a part of the “stealth jihad”, which includes everything from stone throwing, street violence and destruction of “the infidels’ women” to sabotage of infrastructure and communications, draining public finances and smile infiltrate organizations and political parties. The goal is to take over the country. To take over Europe. To take over America. Just like they took over the Persian empire in ancient days and the Javanese empire only 400 years ago. They had taken China too if not the Mongols had stopped them. The humanity has no future in a Muslim world.
It’s a horror to see how Muslims succeed to join forces with Jews, Afro-Americans, Latinos, Gays and other minority groups. They are being played by the Muslims. Muslims have killed over 20 million Jews since the days of Mohammad. Around 50 million black Africans. If you count the black men they castrated and the black women they raped made pregnant to make the babies lighter, it means that over 300 million black Africans never get born through history, instead we have all these brown Muslim North-Africans. No one has estimated how many homosexuals Muslims have murdered. Yes, it’s a horror.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
You can read about how the Nazis admired the Muslims and how Muslims admired Hitler and the Nazis in thousands and thousand of sites on Internet. To reject Islam as ideology is to reject Nazism as ideology. Because they are the same.
Mirren10 says
”Religious leaders of all varieties must “stand up and take responsibility” for the actions of extremists who profess to follow their faith, the Most Rev Justin Welby said.”
Same old bs. Where are the Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs et al, murdering other people in the name of their faith ? It’s **islam**, you fool.
Michael Johnson says
The man is right what’s wrong about what he has said everything he is saying is Right iisis is the most perfect example of Islam what it truly represents
Hummer says
Well duh. This position should have been years ago. I’m sure the current London mayor won’t back this. UK has a lot of work to do to salvage their country from the enemy from within and without.
Don McKellar says
Is it Trump’s election which has started to embolden people with public profiles and platforms like this to finally come out an speak to truth?
Hector Archytas says
For us French, our main religion toot is deism and the philosopher of the XVIII. It has been practiced as a state religion a very short time with Robespierre in 1794 in the site of the Eiffel tower.
As it lead to a war with the catholic, our religion had been rebranded as secularism.
And unfortunately lost track with its philosophical and metaphysical foundation which were sounder than any form of monotheism…
Buford says
It is time for political correctness to take a back seat Islam, Muslims, Sharia Law & that Phony Quran have no place in the Western World if Refugee’s or others coming from these Barbaric Demonic Countries want to live according to the Phony Beliefs of Mohammad Fine STAY WHERE YOU ARE you are living in a Hellhole that was created by & from the False & Demonized beliefs of the Quran & nobody wants there country converted or have your BS forced on them.
American-Pragmatism says
A pragmatic believer.
Mark A says
These are some of the only sensible things I’ve heard from the Anglican Church recently.
If this is an indication that the Archbishop of Canterbury finally recognizes this problem, then this is a welcome development. Perhaps it is another indicator that the tide of political correctness is starting to turn.
But I think the Archbishop is following the tide rather than leading it. Brexit and the election of Donald Trump have shown that the tide is changing and I think the Archbishop is following that trend.
Still, let’s see where the Archbishop goes with this in future.
Anne Smith says
Archbishop John Sentamu is by far the most sensible and politically aware of all the church hierarchy in Britain.
Welby ought to be well aware of the tenets of Islam, before he entered the church he was a fixer for an oil company, working in the Middle East. I suppose his leftie principles overcame his practical experience. Interesting to see him piping up now, better late than never.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
THE DIVIDED Christian Churches (These are lead by the light of their own heads as opposed to THE LIGHT of Christ The Lord) are the greatest ENEMY of Christ The Lord. These are managed by their own POPES, ARCHBISHOPS, and PRIESTS and the allied sub categories eunuchs. UNLESS the enemy WITHIN (The ONE opposed to Christ The Lord, SATAN) is conquered first……the ENEMY outside will be given CHARGE, for God ALWAYS punished SIN.
Rob says
Does Welby realise he has just contradicted one of the basic teachings of St Barack?
PS Welby won’t be the last born again Islam truther to start tellin’ it.
Beverly Pike says
It appears to me that he is talking about the Islamic state, or ISIL which is certainly not the same as iSLAM. Our not-so-honorable Pres. Obama uses ISIL which does hot recognize Israel as a country.
Angemon says
And he’s absolutely right. Saying “this has nothing to do with islam” simply shifts the guilt away and prevents the tackling of what makes the jihadis tic.
billybob says
Saying “this has nothing to do with islam” begs the question – what ever can be their motivation? Why doesn’t anybody press these phony politicians for an answer to this? Looking at it from the perspective of the uninformed, what possible motive is there to kill people so ruthlessly? Clearly it is not for money, because nothing makes sense from that perspective. (There are a lot easier ways to accumulate wealth.) Clearly it is not some pure political or nationalistic motivation as other terrorists in the past had because of its nihilistic nature, and nobody suggests that. (You can’t build a nation that way.)
Anybody has to admit in the end that it is obviously religious fanaticism that drives all these groups, from Al Qaeda to Boko Haram to ISIS. Then what religion can it be if not Islam? Nobody has documented the rise of some new, previously unknown religion. Nothing remains from a logical assessment other than it must be some form of Islam, and of course people will finally admit when pressed that it is “radical Islam”.
But if it is not the same Islam practised by “peaceful Muslims”, how can such a perverted form of Islam arise out of a peaceful religion? For example, try as hard as you might, there is no way to take Christ’s teaching out of context and in a sufficient quantity to commit such horrible crimes against humanity on a massive scale. The point is, there has to be some substance of some kind – some predisposition there in a religion in the first place to interpret it that way.
If these wako left progressive types ever stop to think about this in depth, it would twist their minds in a knot. How do they deal with the implications? I think they must avoid considering these things, because it is not possible for an normally intelligent individual to deny the conclusion that it is Islam that motivates the terrorists.
Indeed, we know from experience that in debates in the internet forums the Left will avoid any discussion and just try to shout you down. You can give them quotes from the Quran and they will say you are cherry picking. Yet these same quotes perfectly explain the actions of the fanatics. No matter what you do or say, they will do anything to avoid the overwhelming logic that Islam is the problem.
It is really, really weird the lengths people will go to to avoid the truth about Islam. 30,000 jihad attacks since the massacre of 9/11, and people will say the problem is “violent extremism”, as if that explains anything. From where does violent extremism arise if not from ideology or religion? Then we have come full circle. What religion is driving ISIS if not Islam, the very same religion practised around the world by all Muslims?
Aussie Infidel says
At least it is a start for the Archbishop to say, “It’s time to stop saying Isil has ‘nothing to do with Islam.” It’s just a pity that it has taken so long.
But he is still absolving Islam when he says, “Religious leaders of all varieties must ‘stand up and take responsibility’ for the actions of extremists who profess to follow their faith.”
Firstly, why refer to other religious leaders? Only Islamic clerics are calling for ‘holy war’ against unbelievers. Jihad is commanded in the Quran, over and aver again ad nauseum. While there are conflicts today between other religions, almost all of them can trace their origins back to previous Muslim aggression, eg Buddhists and Rohingyas in Myanmar, .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Western_Myanmar.
Secondly, why refer to “extremists who profess to follow their faith?” Is Welby still saying that the extremists do not follow their faith? That IS’s murderous tactics go against Islamic teaching? Has he not read the Quran and the other Islamic scriptures? The Islamic State has been following the Quran, the Hadith and the Sharia virtually to the letter.
Of course it is “is essential to recognise extremists’ religious motivation in order to get to grips with the problem.” An important rule of warfare is “Understand your enemy.”
Surely Welby understands why “mass disenchantment led to the Brexit vote in the UK and the rise of anti-establishment leaders in the continent and beyond?” In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders has just been fined E5,000 for inciting ‘racial hatred’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/17/geert-wilders-faces-possible-5000-fine-for-hate-speech
Does he not recognise that the problem is the “centralisation, corruption and bureaucracy” in the EU, which he himself has criticised, as well as its secondary effect of Islamisation, which has been building for decades under his very nose, and has ruined the lives of so many of his parishioners?
As an atheist, I can’t agree with Welby’s religious solution, but people in the West surely need to remember the Judeo-Christian – and humanistic – roots of our ethics and laws.
DP111 says
What a brave statement by the archbishop- just in time when the ME is virtually Christian frei. It serves no purpose now, except salve his conscience.
Richard says
Archbishop of Canterbury and some of the British politicians will turn the UK united kingdom to UK united Kuran.