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CNBC frets that Trump victory has “enraged” jihad terror groups

Nov 10, 2016 11:06 am By Robert Spencer

“Jihadists used social media to warn that having Trump in the White House would unite the mujahideen, SITE director Rita Katz tweeted, with supporters of Al Qaeda (AQ) and the Islamic State (IS) saying the billionaire’s election exposed America’s hatred of Muslims and would contribute to America’s downfall.”

That’s just bluster. If it weren’t Trump’s election, they would seize upon some other grievance and boast about America’s imminent downfall because of it. The pretexts shift, the jihad imperative remains.

Jacinta Carroll of the counterterrorism policy center at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute is correct: “These positions are already held as part of the central tenets of these groups and are unlikely to be affected by statements made by President-Elect Trump.”

The other “experts,” and this CNBC article in general, are essentially saying that the free world must not fight back against Islamic jihad terrorism, because doing so will only fuel Islamic jihad terrorism: “Donald Trump’s shock election victory has enraged Muslim militant groups around the world, and may fan the flames of global terrorism.” Why are they enraged? Because he has made it clear that he is going to fight back against the global jihad onslaught — and in realistic ways, not with the denial and willful ignorance that has characterized Obama administration counterterror policy.

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“Trump’s victory could intensify global Muslim extremism, terror experts warn,” by Nyshka Chandran, CNBC, November 10, 2016:

Donald Trump’s shock election victory has enraged Muslim militant groups around the world, and may fan the flames of global terrorism.

The Republican’s aggressive anti-Muslim rhetoric, which has included proposing an outright ban on Muslims entering the U.S. and a wish for all Muslims to register in a national database, has provided ample fodder for Islamist extremists. On Wednesday, several groups declared Trump’s win was proof of a U.S. war on Islam, counterterrorism research group SITE Intelligence flagged in a post on its website.

Jihadists used social media to warn that having Trump in the White House would unite the mujahideen, SITE director Rita Katz tweeted, with supporters of Al Qaeda (AQ) and the Islamic State (IS) saying the billionaire’s election exposed America’s hatred of Muslims and would contribute to America’s downfall.

Southeast Asia may be at particular risk from Trump’s inflammatory comments.

Indonesia and Malaysia are not only home to the world’s largest Muslim-majority populations—each also has local militant networks that sympathize with IS’ agenda, so a Trump administration could intensify the efforts of those groups.

“They [terror organizations] are good at taking events from one side of the world and using that to incite passion on the other side, which may play out in Indonesia and Malaysia.” explained Greg Barton, chair in global Islamic politics at Australia’s Deakin University. “There’s a real danger we’ll see right-wing bigots in the U.S. seize the chance to do nasty things, which will be picked up by jihadi propaganda as evidence that the West is at war with the Muslim world.”

In his congratulatory message to the tycoon, Indonesian President Joko Widodo said he hoped Washington would continue to work with Jakarta to “build peace and prosperity for the world.” But in June, the country’s Vice President Jusuf Kalla told Reuters that his government was “not happy with Trump’s opinions” and warned that religious discrimination in the U.S. could prompt retaliatory policies from other countries.

“Trump’s continued anti-Muslim rhetoric will definitely feed into the already deep-seated distrust of the West by the Muslim conservatives in the region. Depending on his policies in the Middle-East, it will drive even more radicalization and terrorism activities,” Asrul Hadi Abdullah Sani, a Malaysia-focused analyst at BowerGroupAsia, warned.

But some believed the expectation of violence as a result of Trump’s victory alone was unrealistic.

Terrorist groups operate on a range of ideologies, which include not just anti-Western beliefs but also anti-democracy and anti-government views, Jacinta Carroll, head of the counterterrorism policy center at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said. “These positions are already held as part of the central tenets of these groups and are unlikely to be affected by statements made by President-Elect Trump.”

Still, networks were likely to continue to use selected statements from the billionaire as a means to provide inspiration and justification for their cause, just as they selectively quoted from religious leaders, she continued.

Many were careful to note that Trump’s anti-Muslim talk on the campaign trail may not necessarily turn into action once he enters office.

“Now that the election season is over, I expect Trump to return to the center…Despite his previous comments, Trump and his team knows that he needs to show that he is a president for all Americans and not a certain segment. Now that he is president, it is no longer about slogans but geopolitical realities,” BowerGroupAsia’s Sani explained.

Indeed, many have pointed out that because global forecasting on Trump’s chances of victory were wrong, the world must be cautious in predicting his policies going forward.

Reports already emerged late on Wednesday that references to a ban on Muslims were removed from the president-elect’s website, a move that could suggest a toned-down outlook….

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  1. quota raven says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:19 am

    CNBC takes appeasement to a new level, non?

    Cheers!

    quota raven

    • Dexter L. Wilson says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 11:39 am

      The hatred of democracy in general is the real reason for attacks against us. The truth that the Muslim is required to lie to us, clearly lets us know that they have no respect for our form of government. They will with large numbers as they are added to any population demographic will invariably push for Sharia and Islamic Law with increasing fights between different sects of Islam.this has been demonstrated where large numbers of Muslims are situated This is our opportunity to use every means and method possible to win as many of these people to Christ as possible. One method is the Camelmethod using the Koran itself the other showing kindness and care. God through the fact that Christians could not share with the Muslims Jesus, God sovereignly witnessed to Muslims through dreams for those seeking to find the Real God. That was confirmed by Al Jazeera not understanding why 6 million of them came to Christ. Let us pray fervently for the right witnesses to the Muslim to win souls for Christ. We ask God through Jesus to send the Right Witnesses into the harvest and those of you who understand the Power of Jesus’s name to be in “agreement” with us for this according to Matthew 18’19”..

      • PRCS says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 1:00 pm

        Uh, Dexter, the “my religion is the only true religion” line is the same used by Muslims.

        Give it a rest, eh.

        • Smarticus says

          Nov 10, 2016 at 11:49 pm

          Well at least Dexter won’t try to blow you up, or shoot you, or behead you, if you don’t see things his way.

        • quota raven says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 12:06 am

          Smarticus – LOL – You are well-deserving of your moniker!

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • Derek Organ says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 4:58 am

          Muslims have no right what so ever , your evil and those facts are proven , don’t worry Canadians will stand behind trump .

        • will Rodgers says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 6:25 am

          They simply hate us because they ain’t US,

        • PRCS says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 8:36 am

          There are many web sites where religious zealotry are the raison d’être.

          This site is about Islam, not a “come to Jesus” site.

        • c matt says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 9:57 am

          Well, not all religions (or non-religion) can be true, because they don’t all say the same thing. It’s this little logical law called the “law of non-contradiction.” A and Not A cannot both be true at the same time. God exists, or He doesn’t. He cannot both exist and not exist. Islam accurately reflects the nature of God, or it doesn’t (ditto for Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, etc.). One of us is right, the rest wrong. Reality is a bitch.

          In the meantime, yes, it would be nice if we didn’t kill each other over being wrong. One group in particular seems to have a big problem with that.

        • RickMT says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 6:05 pm

          give it a rest? Christianity is the only alternative for them. Atheists will be the first to be thrown off the roofs or converted to islam.

    • August West says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      CNBC is *supposed* to be a provider of objective business news. Not Jihad forecasts.

      What a joke that is.

      Their primary “debate” and subsequent WikkiLeaks articles were real eye openers.

      This goes to show how pernicious the cancer of media corruption by the left has spread. Business news is now leftist propaganda.

      CNBC has gone from a fairly decent business news channel, went through a phase in which it was referred to as “bubble vision”, and now has degenerated to the point that it is just one of many leftist news outlets which sometimes has a business slant.

      CNBC has become an outlet for portfolio managers to shamelessly “talk their book” with only cursory disclosure.

      CNBC has become an cheerleading outlet for every absurd Central Bank “Quantitative Easing” scam

      CNBC has become an outlet touting stocks via “celebrity traders” like Kramer etc.

      If you take any financial advice from what you see on CNBC you are a fool.

      The fact that left wing propaganda is now disguised as “business news” should be enough to make anybody sick.

      Watch the European CNBC or the Asian CNBC and you will find actual actionable news. These channels are actually worth watching.

      Hey just curious … what did CNBC predict would happen if Trump was elected?
      Oh yes I remember now they predicted a total collapse of the entire global financial system.

      Now they are predicting a Jihad attack…..

      My suggestion would be to turn off CNBC – or better yet cut your cable box completely. Anybody that still has cable would be amazed how easy it is to live without it, and how much more time you will have on your hands.

      I use that extra time for spreading Islam_A_Phobia

      The returns on my savings are just fine without CNBC

      • quota raven says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm

        August West – Yes, I agree. Getting rid of television altogether is not that hard a thing to do, and once one has, one finds one’s mind cleared, and negative feelings that result from recognized social engineering fade somewhat.hile I was never much of a tv fan, I found in NYC that I watched a fair amount of junk (sans cable), and when I left NYC and moved to a place where there was no reception, I just gave it up entirely. That was in 2000. I read a lot more now.

        Admittedly, I feel somewhat culturally deprived, never having seen a “reality show”, and I could trip over a Kardashian without recognizing it, I can see the important events on line.

        Getting rid of tv is not for everyone, but it works for me!

        Cheers!

        quota raven

        • Francesca says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 2:07 pm

          I would love to do that BUT I want to watch some sports. How to do that and still cut the cord?

        • quota raven says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 3:26 pm

          Francesca – I’m sure you could pay for it online live streaming somehow. Otherwise, find yourself a friendly sports bar, and belly up!

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • Oliver says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 8:46 pm

          Worked for me also. Only time I look at it-if I am in someone’s home, and they have it on, or in my doctor’s waiting room.

          Makes it easy-don’t get exited by the lies being spewed by oo-called television journalists.

      • Karen says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 5:28 pm

        I’m a cable cord-cutter too. I still have high speed Internet, but canceled cable TV. I’ve been using the last couple years to try out old school TV and different streaming services, radio, pod casts, etc. which give me more than what I can consume. I get the cable news channels via satellite radio….when I bother to listen. Highly recommend trying this, you will not miss the 900+ cable channels, and it’s the only way the cable companies will start listening to us. Disruption!

    • Tom says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 8:48 am

      I watch the Confused News Broadcasting Network to get a daily laugh. Chanran is just another muzzie attempting to use the media for her agenda. Boorish and very flagrant.

      Next?

  2. linnte says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:21 am

    I am tired of the rhetoric. Let the wild rumpus begin! Now is just as good as any time to start this real physical war against Islam. We ARE at war with Islam! Because Islam is at war with FREEDOM. So for all you supporters of Islam out there, WE ARE READY! Bring it on!

    • Allan says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 11:25 am

      How do you know that you’re ready?

      • linnte says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 8:42 pm

        Because I am an old woman who wants to keep my grandkids SAFE, and I would take a bullet for them. That’s how. Because it is inevitable that it is going to happen. Because the sooner it’s done, the less enemy we will have to fight. To fight before United Nations gets their grubby Globalist hands on our weapons. And the sooner it’s done and over with, the sooner we can heal the world from Islam.

        • quota raven says

          Nov 10, 2016 at 8:48 pm

          To Linnte – You go, girl! I agree with everything you say, and I’m your neighbor here in Soviet Oregon!))))) I always love your observations and recognize another fiery, passionate, informed granny. Love ya!

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • linnte says

          Nov 10, 2016 at 11:32 pm

          Thanks Quota! Hahahahahah! Soviet Oregon! Isn’t that the truth. Oh man! I love you too! ?

        • KATHLALEENA says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 7:28 am

          I”m with you,linnte. I’m an old woman, too and will stand right beside you.

        • linnte says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 12:05 am

          Together we are an army of determined old ladies! Kinda cool eh?

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 3:37 pm

          This old lady stands right beside you also, linnte !

        • linnte says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 3:41 pm

          YEEEEHAAAAA!

    • PRCS says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 1:07 pm

      No, we are NOT at war with Islam.

      Islam is an ideology, not a nation state.

      While they may believe they are at war with we “filthy unbelievers”, we don’t have to play along.

      Any criminal act committed on our soil (including our embassies)–regardless of who the perp is–is just that: a crime.

      • Michael says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 5:03 pm

        Iran is a nation state. They have declared war on us. They harass our naval vessels. They have taken military personnel prisoner. They fund and support all manner of terrorist action on our soil. They threaten our staunch ally Israel on a daily basis. Sounds awfully close to war.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 10, 2016 at 11:05 pm

          If we were to go to war with Iran–it would be because it IS a nation state.

          You’re making my point for me.

      • linnte says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 8:46 pm

        It isn’t OUR perception of whether Islam is a “State” or not, it’s THEIR perception that counts. You may not be at war with what you think is an imaginary Islamic State, but they are at war with us. And that is the bottom line. Ignoring a viper in the room doesn’t makenit invisible. It will kill you even if you don’t acknowledge it’s presence.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 10, 2016 at 11:09 pm

          We, as a nation, do not go to war with ideologies.

          We declared war against the German government during WWII; not Nazism.

        • linnte says

          Nov 10, 2016 at 11:34 pm

          You still don’t get the point. There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims that comprise the Umma. THAT MY FRIEND is a Nation. And THEY recognise that Nation Umma even if you don’t. You are still sleeping!

        • quota raven says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 12:03 am

          lol, Linnte – You hit the bull’s eye here. Furthermore, wherever there is a mosque, that is the center of an Islamic nation in the eyes of the congregants. Muslims do not respect that they are located in a sovereign nation; they have established their own, smack dab in the middle of WHEREVER they are. That is why it was so appalling that they wanted to build a mosque practically on the site of the World Trade Centers, 9/11. A victory mosque! And it almost got done!

          Mosques are not equivalent to churches. Each one is the center of an Islamic nation.They embody a whole spectrum of things: government, family disputes, legal disputes, marriage law, criminal and financial law…all these and more are strictly addressed in this THEOCRACY.

          I keep trying to get this idea across here at JW. Correctly speaking, Islam is a theocracy, which includes religion. But it seems almost an aspect of political correctness to continue, wrongly, to refer to it as a “religion”. A theocracy embraces a religion. Also, Islam is motivated, commanded, to EXPAND wherever it is. And that is just what they are doing. In so many forms of jihad – very worrying to me is their infestation of law enforcement, government, education…and this is very real.

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • linnte says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 12:02 am

          Exactly Quota. Islam encompasses everything that defines a Nation, hense Shari’a LAW. You are so correct ? And they want to destroy “our miserable house from within”.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 8:48 am

          No, lintte, YOU don’t get the point.

          The global umma is not a nation state, but a borderless, religious construct.

          That Muslims believe it is a nation means nothing in international relations and law.

          YOU are buying into THEIR belief.

          I am wide awake, and rational.

        • linnte says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 12:14 am

          I give. If you can’t understand that it doesn’t matter what you, me and the rest of the world think, and that what matters is what they think, then there is no sense in debating the problem. All I know is what I learned as an RN. And I will leave you with this little example.

          I had a patient who was in liver failure from alcoholism. She was dying yet very awake and strongly dilusional. She was convinced she was in the hospital for the birth of her first baby and she held that baby tight, not letting anyone near it. In truth, there was no swaddled baby. After my assessment of her and my other patients, I gathered meds for each person and made my rounds again. When I entered my dilusional patients room, she was sleeping, so I gently touched her shoulder to waken her for her med. She woke with a start and started screaming, then she looked on the floor by her bedside and screamed even louder. Her “baby” had fallen on the floor. I gently pretended to pick up her child and put the baby back into her arms.

          My point is, you cannot argue with a dilusion. That NATION exists for Muslims, and that is what counts.

        • c matt says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 10:00 am

          It certainly means a lot in war.

        • linnte says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 12:20 am

          The point is, if we do not recognise this war from THEIR perspective, we cannot be prepared to fight them, either physically or philosophically. It’s like Obama NOT saying Radical Islamic Terrorist. Naming is very important. And so is letting the enemy know that YOU know where they are coming from.

        • Oliver says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 8:55 pm

          PRCS- When (in say the last 3 to 5 decades) have Muslims WORRIED OR OBEYED LAWS- OTHER THAN THEIR OWN- AND THEN, IN THEIR COUNTRIES?

          I personally have had dealings with Muslims– most untrustworthy, back stabbing; crooked pieces of bull manure imaginable.

          So, the hell with international law.

          international law says NO HUMAN SHIELDS. YET THE PALESTINIANS AND OTHERS HAVE USED IT IN GAZA; IN LEBANON; IN SYRIA AND IRAQ.

          International law ( this one going back over 100 years)- no children to dig mines- yet done in Gaza, probably Lebanon, etc. (Hezbollah is rumored to be digging or trying to dig tunnels into Israel).

          And the IC does nothing.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 9:41 pm

          PRCS wrote:

          We, as a nation, do not go to war with ideologies.

          We declared war against the German government during WWII; not Nazism.
          ……………………

          Dear PRCS, the only reason we went to war with Germany was because it was a violent, invading Fascist state. We had nothing against the Germans per se, and made peace with them as soon as they stopped attacking us in the name of Nazism. It was just the same with the other Axis powers, Italy and Japan.

      • Mirren10 says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 3:43 pm

        PRCS says

        ”We, as a nation, do not go to war with ideologies.

        We declared war against the German government during WWII; not Nazism.”

        If the German government hadn’t been Nazi, and hadn’t wanted to rule the world, I doubt the US would have declared war against it. It’s *ideology* was abhorrent, supremacist, and aggressive. As was Japan’s.

        Did America fight a war in Vietnam because she had declared war against the Vietnamese government, or was it a war against the *ideology* of communism ?

        Your comment makes no sense.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 3:07 pm

          You’re kidding, right?

          On December 11, 1941, the United States Congress declared war upon Germany (Pub.L. 77–331, Sess. 1, ch. 564, 55 Stat. 796), hours after Germany declared war on the United States after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.[1] The vote was 88–0 in the Senate and 393–0 in the House.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 3:11 pm

          And your point is ? Once again, your comments on this topic make no sense. Answer what I said about **ideologies**, and **Vietnam**.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 4:23 pm

          If the German government hadn’t been Nazi, and hadn’t wanted to rule the world, I doubt the US would have declared war against it. It’s *ideology* was abhorrent, supremacist, and aggressive. As was Japan’s.

          On December 11, 1941, the United States Congress declared war upon Germany (Pub.L. 77–331, Sess. 1, ch. 564, 55 Stat. 796), hours after Germany declared war on the United States after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.[1] The vote was 88–0 in the Senate and 393–0 in the House.

          Did America fight a war in Vietnam because she had declared war against the Vietnamese government

          Although that question makes no sense, I’ll try to answer:

          The Viet Nam conflict was not a declared war.

          The last time Congress passed joint resolutions saying that a “state of war” existed was on June 5, 1942, when the U.S. declared war on Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania

          Best to stop digging, eh.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 4:44 pm

          Why did America fight a war in Vietnam ?

        • PRCS says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 7:23 pm

          Look it up yourself.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 8:21 pm

          That is an absolutely text book leftard/Alynsky response. You can’t deny what I said, so you respond with that. Shameful.

          America went into Vietnam because of the **ideology** of Communism. Piss off. You are contemptible.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 10:05 pm

          The operative word, dear, is WAR, which requires a declaration. Not conflict. Not skirmish.

          Despite your ill informed assumption, the U.S. declared war on the German nation–not on Nazism–after they declared WAR against us. So, let me be clear–your argument is without merit.

          As in Korea, Iraq and other conflicts, there was no declaration of WAR in Viet Nam.

          We are not at WAR with Islam, because we don’t go to WAR with ideologies.

          You came to argue, you’re wrong about Germany, you’re mad because i wouldn’t jump to your command to answer you, and now you’ve resorted to engaging in a childish tantrum.

          Swell.

          PRCS
          USN 1968–1989

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 12:16 pm

          America went into Vietnam because of the **ideology** of Communism. Piss off. You are contemptible.

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 12:42 pm

          PRCS
          I don’t see any useful purpose of nitpicking over ‘Ideology’ versus ‘State’ but a bigger concern is referring to carpet kissing killers as “criminals”. That is a bit disturbing.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 3:55 pm

          You’re entitled to your opinion JB.

          There is a purpose, as words and terms have meaning.

          Criminal activities conducted upon our soil–including embassies–without regard to the perpetrator(s) involved or the ideology driving the act–is just that and must be prosecuted as such. That’s why Richard Reid and so many others like him are in U.S. prisons rather than standing to a firing squad. If evidence collected during the ensuing investigation points to a nation state’s involvement (like Saudi Arabia) that, too can be prosecuted–militarily if need be.

          The notion that we are at WAR with Islam is moronic.

          Those who think we are need to define the Islam part of that equation.

          Islam, the ideology? The idiocy of that thinking is obvious when one realizes that Nazism was certainly not defeated in WWII.

          Islam, the “ummah”? Dearborn? Adelaide? Capetown? Every Muslim, everywhere? Quite a task.

          We do not declare WAR on, or engage in combat with, an ideology, but upon nation states. The German government accepted defeat because the German people’s will to fight had been eliminated.

          Warfare, combat, is, in the main, the act of inflicting military force upon flesh and blood human beings–military and civilians–and infrastructure.

          We have NOT declared WAR on the Afghan government and are NOT at WAR with Islam (neither the ideology nor every Muslim) in Afghanistan.

          Mirren is wrong.

          The U.S. and others (South Korea, Australia, etc.) did not conduct combat operations in VietNam because of the **ideology** of Communism, but to counter the actions of Communist nations.

          https://www.legion.org/magazine/213233/why-we-went-war-vietnam

          Cuba is a Communist nation, too, but its government has not precipitated a need for us to conduct combat operations there.

          In my opinion, the ideology of Islam can only be defeated by discrediting it–which cannot be done militarily.

    • Champ says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 3:45 pm

      You said it, Linnte …”WE ARE READY! Bring it on!”

      • Mirren10 says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 3:51 pm

        Hear, hear, Champ !

  3. Bob Smyth says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:24 am

    It’s the usual “Catch-22” argument. Mentioning ‘Islam’ in connection with “jihad attacks” automatically causes Muslim “outrage”. Which, of course, results in MORE “jihad attacks” BY Muslims. The “jihad attacks” would have happened anyway. The faux-outrage is just an ‘excuse’ to ‘blame’ whoever caused the Muslim ‘outrage’.

    • Karen says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 5:45 pm

      I’ve always wanted to ask the people who espouse this argument if they would apply it to, say, the Quakers; “Don’t criticize the Quakers, because you may provoke a violent reaction.” The very idea is ridiculous because of who we know the Quakers to be. And yet, it seems to be an acceptable approach many people take toward Islam. This is a problem for me; as much as I think most of our American Muslim friends and neighbors are lovely people, I look around the world and see many problems with Islam as practiced as the majority religion, and it fills me with deep concern. I *must* have the freedom to express my concerns about this, and any other ideologies that may enter this country. Examination of issues and concerns is the open and transparent approach; suppression and denial of problems is the fear-based approach, and must be rejected.

      • PRCS says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 11:21 pm

        :This is a problem for me; as much as I think most of our American Muslim friends and neighbors are lovely people…”

        IMO, the critical error committed by we “filthy unbelievers” is the failure to challenge “our” Muslims, lovely as they seem, to either defend or denounce/renounce those specific passages from Qur’an/Sunn’ah which mandate hatred for/violence toward the rest of us.

        A sample question:

        Qur’an 5:33 commands the amputation of a human being’s hand, and a foot, on opposite sides for “waging war against Allah and his messenger”. Is that morally acceptable to you, and if not, do you believe, then, that Allah is wrong?

        • quota raven says

          Nov 10, 2016 at 11:37 pm

          To PRCS – Absolutely brill suggestion. I would do it in a nanosecond if I knew any muslims. I used to work with some at the NYPD,- one’s name was Mujahadeen, and another, Keith! – but now I’m on the west coast, and not in touch with any muslims at all. I had a Turkish friend who was probably raised Muslim, although she spent virtually all of her adult life in USA, married to a well-known American journalist.But she doesn’t like me anymore.

          To those who DO have access to muslims, I think this is a terrific plan of action. So. Man up, extend yourselves, and report back here! Please!))))

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • linnte says

          Nov 10, 2016 at 11:53 pm

          Even Dr. Jasser and Raheel Raza, supposedly “Reformer” Muslims, refuse to alter their Qur’an because they believe it is the Devine word of God. In an email to Raheel about 14 months ago, she said this in reply on the Clarion Project site. And then I heard her say the same thing on a small video Tony Bugle and her MARIAS did after a conference in Britain where Raheel spoke. They will not change or alter the Qur’an. It’s sad. But I guess I understand their reasons.

        • Karen says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 2:17 am

          An interesting suggestion. I’ll try it if the opportunity comes up.

        • Jay Boo says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 12:52 pm

          PRCS
          Appeasement (Reason & Logic)
          Your flawed plan to use (reason) to debate Muslims overlooks Islamic supremacist vanity and begins with the false assumption that (we are not doing enough to reach out and win hearts and minds). Many people who try that approach end up falling into a web of apologizing for so called Islamophobia and end up kissing carpets themselves within a month or less. Good Luck with that.

        • PRCS says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 4:16 pm

          JB,

          It’s not a matter of debating Muslims, and certainly not about reaching out to them, rather exposing Islam’s beliefs, rather than accepting the “if you take one life” nonsense at face value.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 11, 2016 at 9:53 pm

        Karen, even here in the US a majority of Muslims want to impose brutal Shari’ah law here.

        • quota raven says

          Nov 11, 2016 at 10:05 pm

          Graven – How did you arrive at “…in the US a majority of Muslims want to impose brutal Shari’ah law here…” Is this speculative? Or somehow backed up by some stats. It seems this would be difficult to establish, though, especially given Takiyya and all the ways to lie with statistics. Mark Twain said “There are lies, big lies, and statistics.”

          Anyway, how did you arrive at “a majority”?

          Cheers!

          quota raven

          Cheers!

          quota raven

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 20, 2016 at 12:44 am

          quota raven wrote:

          Graven – How did you arrive at “…in the US a majority of Muslims want to impose brutal Shari’ah law here…” Is this speculative? Or somehow backed up by some stats.
          ……………………..

          Hi, Quota. This is indeed backed up with stats. 51% of Muslims in America admit they want to see the imposition of Shari’ah law. The actual number is probably much higher, since many must realize that this would not be popular with Americans. But even 51% is a majority, and is *deeply* disturbing.

          http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

      • AmerginMacEccit says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 9:57 am

        No Karen, you’ll get “Whatever, that’s just your opinion.” from quakers.

        I think that Benjamin Disraeli said that and Mark was playing around. What an odd mash up.

        Misuse of stats is not taqiya (I will not dignify that word with a capital letter). Some political offices do that on regular basis to bakc up some policies. Therefore, some politicians used to
        admit that themselves or use that as a fencing argument to disarm opponents.
        In some countries there were even methods of “rule by statistics”, that meant overly socialist states.

        • quota raven says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 8:32 pm

          To AmerginMacEccit, who notes, “In some countries there were even methods of “rule by statistics”, that meant overly socialist states.”

          Quite right, spot on. Good to associate stat use with overly socialist states. The barometer here in the USA is falling re use of stats here! Heads up!

          Cheers!

          quota raven

  4. Crusades Were Right! says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:27 am

    “We mustn’t fight back against those who are trying to kill us…

    …because that will only make them want to kill us!”

    Now THERE’S logic!

  5. Yorkshire Kufir says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:27 am

    Playing the victim card as usual. These brainwashed ideologues think its all about them. Absolutely childish. And now the religion of permanent offense is going to kill people because Trump said he would temporarily stop immigration because ……. emmmm they kill people for religious reasons..
    Aren’t you just fascinated by irony?

  6. Crusades Were Right! says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:29 am

    Presumably CNBC thinks that the USA’s war effort against Japan as a response to Pearl Harbor was a big mistake.

    ; ¬)

    • Oliver says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      Obama seemed to think so. Read his statements at Hiroshima. Quote. Death fell from the sky. End partial quote.
      Not a word. Thst Japan attacked the US first

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 10:01 pm

      All too true–revisionist history.

  7. jewdog says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:29 am

    It never seems to occur to any of those gavones over at CNBC that weakness might fuel the jihad even more. Jihadis are bullies and they need to be stood up to.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 10:05 pm

      So true, Jewdog. And good to see you posting again.

  8. Angemon says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:30 am

    Donald Trump’s shock election victory has enraged Muslim militant groups around the world, and may fan the flames of global terrorism.

    Orlando. San Bernardino. The 1400-year history of unprovoked muslim-on-non-muslim aggression. Is that Trump’s fault too?

    Terrorist groups operate on a range of ideologies, which include not just anti-Western beliefs but also anti-democracy and anti-government views, Jacinta Carroll, head of the counterterrorism policy center at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said. “These positions are already held as part of the central tenets of these groups and are unlikely to be affected by statements made by President-Elect Trump.”

    Indeed. They’re anti-Western, anti-democracy and anti-government for one and only reason: they’re not islamic.

  9. Diimaa says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:33 am

    They were overflowing with so much love before his election.
    Come n smother me with a bear hug, you loving hippie Jihad man

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 10:07 pm

      Grimly hilarious.

  10. eur says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOxAnigB_Xk

    No comment

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 12:56 pm

      Eur, thank you for posting the link to this most instructive video. It is a “must see” for those who might be pondering the true meaning of “jihad”.

      • PRCS says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 1:15 pm

        It’s not what every Muslims thinks/agrees with, but it is what Islam teaches.

        Too few want to acknowledge what written, Orthodox Islam actually does say.

    • vladkoval says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 4:00 am

      sick video

  11. Cecilia Ellis says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    “Donald Trump’s shock election victory has enraged Muslim militant groups around the world, and may fan the flames of global terrorism.”

    Which would distinguish it how from the last 1400 years of Islamic ?

    ………………..

    “Jihadists used social media to warn that having Trump in the White House would unite the mujahideen . . . with supporters of Al Qaeda (AQ) and the Islamic State (IS).”

    No . . . that uniter would be the canonical texts of Islam.

    ………………..

    “They [terror organizations] are good at taking events from one side of the world and using that to incite passion on the other side . . . ”

    Well . . . that is true . . . such as displaying a cartoon picture of Muhammad in Paris or in Garland, Texas . . .

    ………………..

    “There’s a real danger we’ll see right-wing bigots in the U.S. seize the chance to do nasty things, which will be picked up by jihadi propaganda as evidence that the West is at war with the Muslim world.”

    No . . . the Muslim world is at war with the U. S., an indicator of which might be 9/11, among other instances of Islamic violence carried out in the name of Allah.

    ………………..

    “But in June, the country’s Vice President Jusuf Kalla told Reuters that his government was ‘not happy with Trump’s opinions’ and warned that religious discrimination in the U.S. could prompt retaliatory policies from other countries.”

    Not to confuse the most unlikely potential of any such change in United States policy with that of real, current religious tolerance practices in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. . . .

    ………………..

    “Trump’s continued anti-Muslim rhetoric will definitely feed into the already deep-seated distrust of the West by the Muslim conservatives in the region.”

    But “Death to Israel, Death to America” should be no cause for distrust . . .

    ………………..

    “But some believed the expectation of violence as a result of Trump’s victory alone was unrealistic . . . Terrorist groups operate on a range of ideologies, which include not just anti-Western beliefs but also anti-democracy and anti-government views . . . ‘These positions are already held as part of the central tenets of these groups and are unlikely to be affected by statements made by President-Elect Trump.'”

    True . . . unless President-Elect Trump were to say, “Yes, yes … ‘Death to America”.

    ………………..

    “Trump and his team knows that he needs to show that he is a president for all Americans and not a certain segment.”

    That is most encouraging for American Christians, Jews and members of other non-Muslim religions, atheists or agnostics, etc.

    • quota raven says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 12:24 pm

      Excellent rejoinder, Cecilia.

      Cheers!

      quota raven

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Nov 10, 2016 at 12:32 pm

        Quota, thank you so much!

    • c matt says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 10:05 am

      “Trump’s continued anti-Muslim rhetoric will definitely feed into the already deep-seated distrust of the West by the Muslim conservatives in the region.”

      If only . . . .

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 10:13 pm

      Fine post, Cecilia.

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Nov 11, 2016 at 10:46 pm

        Thanks, Graven.

  12. David says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    That photo of “Toiletbrush” faced imbeciles says it all!
    There are “Enraged” that we (Christian, Jew, Hindu or Buddhist ) are still BREATHING! !!
    Don’t worrry America! We will fight off this satanic rabble. AND WE WILL WIN !
    ☺

    • vladkoval says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 10:26 am

      Exactly!

  13. dsinc says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    Death and destruction to those who call “Death to America” America fights back against those who call for her destruction. God bless Donald Trump God bless America.

  14. Westman says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    The more jihadists get riled up and act out the more identifiable and locatable they become. I’ve noticed that hunters often use artificial calls and lures.

    It would be of great benefit if someone could invent a jihadist call that would draw them to a common…….whoa….there is already such a thing?…..prayer tower?

    Islam is the ideology of a professional militarism that has found itself in a world environment that no longer rewards violence with status and booty. Islam eviscerates and kills within both infidel and its own ranks over scraps that fall from the table while international business cartels sweep the world for its wealth. It is a bit player in decline that dreams of a distant glory that is already beyond the Lazarus Gulf.

    There are only three apparent viable options for dealing with Islamic Jihad:

    1.) Stop Muslim emigration and leave Muslim countries to fight among themselves while disallowing Sharia in any form,

    2.) Stop Muslim emigration and fight specific jihadist groups wherever they are, and,

    3.) Stop Muslim emigration and wreak wholesale destruction on any Muslim country, such as Iran, that threatens the West, without regards to who is, or isn’t, approving the government’s threats. If their lives are of such little value to them to allow a thug religious minority to rule them, they have made their own evaluation or else are willing participants. The 3rd approach should never be necessary unless the Islamic country attacks the West. But in such a case action should leave that country completely unable to wage war.

    There is one inescapable conclusion in every case. Muslim emigration to the West must be terminated. We might wish for Muslim moderates to be allowed, and I do; however, there is no way to inspect and be certain the apparent moderate is not a jihadist.

    That the Muslim community rarely informs authorities about jihadists in their midst speaks more accurately about the actual attitudes of Imams and adherents of the faith than any claims of CAIR, SPLC, or any other phony organization.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Nov 11, 2016 at 10:01 am

      Yes, it mostly is a matter of being wised up to Islam to contain it and limit the damage it can do us and that begins with ending Muslim emigration to the West.

      The caveat about moderate Muslims, apart from outright deception, is that it is not a fixed condition.
      Every jihadist began as a moderate. And what does it even mean to talk about moderate Muslims if it only means lax or barely practicing or not yet informed about Islam Muslims? Anyone identifying as a Muslim must be assumed to be one who submits, or will one day submit, or whose children will submit, to the Qur’an and sunnah and Allah’s law (law not suggestions).

      And to Allah’s war declared against us. This becomes an immediate concern in a time when leaders of the Muslim World proclaim incessantly that “we” are at war with Islam, war to the death, and Islam must be defended. The only security in such an environment is ending Muslim migration, isolating Muslim states and defanging them (weapons, money, influence), and, rather than calling for an Islamic Reformation (which already happened, which is the problem) imposing that “reformation” by not tolerating the whisper of jihad and shari’a and sedition in this country. The Inshallah fatalism of the Muslim can work in our favor once when they find they no longer have the upper hand and that everyone is onto them.

  15. Paul Clark says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    I wonder which jihad terrorist group CNBC is speaking. Is it ISIS or the democrat party: LBGT radicals, Black panthers, Black Muslims, Anarchists, Black Lives Matter, Environmental radicals, Muslim Brotherhood, communists ( Van Jones), Lenin Socialists, etc.

  16. Mark A says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    MSNBC played a role in enraging a significant segment of the American electorate into voting for Donald Trump.

    And, frankly, Islamists are going to hate us westerners anyway, no matter who is in the White House.

    “Jihad terror groups” are exactly that: terrorist groups. Terrorism is what they do. They intend to conquer the world for their version of Islam through their jihad.

    So if they don’t like who we elect into political office, too bad. If “jihad terror groups” don’t like a particular candidate, that would make me take a serious look at voting for that candidate.

  17. John Barry says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    The protests of the Muslim people is just as horrible as these idiots on this country protesting their new president. Muslim protests because they had the president of the United States bought and paid for. The USA was theirs for the taken. The people now protesting are upset that they now have to pay for school,pay back their
    Loans for school. Stay with mom and dad longer. There is no one they count on erase their debt, pay for school, financial help from the government (Clinton cash) kind of like Obamas money back in the day.

  18. John A. Marre says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    They wake up enraged. They go through the day enraged. They go to bed enraged. Their whole life is lived enraged. That’s why they never amount to anything at all.

  19. davej says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    It is not “religious discrimination” because Islam is not a bonafide Religion, it is primarily a supremacist political ideology with a religious frosting. So stopping Muslim immigration is actually discriminating against civilization vandals and totalitarians, which seems like a good idea.

    And of course race has nothing to do with it either, the evil brain worm of Islam can lodge inside any color or nationality.

    They were enraged to begin with, so nothing new here.

    • davej says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 6:30 pm

      BTW, the primary definition of “discriminate” is actually positive:

      “recognize a difference” “differentiate”. Eg: She had a discriminating sense of taste or fragrance and could detect spoiled food with ease.

      The liberal disease wants to obscure or deny all differences in the cause of absolute equality.

      News flash: some people really are different and they want to kill you, so it might be advisable to take notice..And not accept rotting food, even when served on a pretty plate.

      • PRCS says

        Nov 11, 2016 at 9:01 am

        Excellent point!

  20. Voytek Gagalka says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    If so, then good! At last in open war they will be wiped out. All of them. And then we can have the peace for the next 500 years!

  21. 762x51FMJ says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    The liberals leaned so far left, and pushed so hard to get Hillery elected,

    They expected Preparation Hillary and wound up needing Preparation H.

  22. Guest says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    Why should we care if they’re mad? What are they going to do, kill us less?

  23. billybob says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    How many jihad attacks have there been since Obama’s total surrender to Islam when he said “The future must not belong to those who insult the prophet of Islam”? You can’t sink any lower than that. Yet that still didn’t stop the jihad attacks. Clearly, whatever we do, there will always be attacks. Of course they are commanded to attack us by their unholy Quran, so it doesn’t matter what we do – short of total surrender, paying the jizyah, and feeling ourselves subdued. Even then there are no guarantees.

    • billybob says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 11:22 pm

      Perfect – just on time to add to my post, one of the stories I read in the news early in the day, now shown to be a fabrication…

      The Latest: Police: Student fabricated assault report
      By Associated Press November 10 at 4:36 PM
      BATON ROUGE, La. — The Latest on reports of students being attacked on or near two college campuses (all times local):

      Police say a Louisiana college student has acknowledged she fabricated her report that she was assaulted and robbed of her wallet and Muslim headscarf by two men, one of whom she described as wearing a white “Trump” hat.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/higher-education/the-latest-police-san-diego-student-assaulted-over-faith/2016/11/10/af344f80-a77b-11e6-ba46-53db57f0e351_story.html

      • PRCS says

        Nov 11, 2016 at 9:09 am

        Thank you, BB.

        That situation is the newest JW post today.

    • billybob says

      Nov 10, 2016 at 11:25 pm

      Oops – I meant to add this to my post on “CAIR-linked Hamas top dog: Trump “deluded”. Didn’t mean to spam you with it. Anyhow, it is an important story.

  24. Matthieu Baudin says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    “…Jacinta Carroll of the counterterrorism policy center at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute is correct: “These positions are already held as part of the central tenets of these groups and are unlikely to be affected by statements made by President-Elect Trump…”

    A breath of fresh air; and we can expect more independent thinking, and less aping and pandering around the world, as the Obama era draws to a close and independent nations no longer have his administrations ‘thought taboos’ to negotiate around.

  25. Eric Jones says

    Nov 10, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    The arrogance and delusion of bullies. These people are going to be mad that we resist while they attempt to cut our throats?

    Let them be angry. We run this country to suit our citizens. Jihadis can mind their own business. No muslim refugees in the USA. Deport all who support Sharia. Close mosque that teach hate. Annailate those who attck us.

    Eric

  26. gravenimage says

    Nov 11, 2016 at 12:10 am

    CNBC frets that Trump victory has “enraged” jihad terror groups
    …………………

    Yes–because that appeasement was working so well in keeping us safe…sarc/off

  27. duh swami says

    Nov 11, 2016 at 5:00 am

    Trumps victory has enraged jihadists…and lots of snowflakes…all they need is jobs…
    Trump has already created jobs,,,Thousands of therapists for millions ofdepressed and anxious snowflakes,,,

  28. Sam says

    Nov 11, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    F**** Muslims are always unhappy and it is never their garbage Koran

    Whoever they are against I am with him/her. Go Trump be one of the best Presidents of USA like Reagan. No Muslim immigration and no Muslim nothing.

  29. David says

    Nov 11, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    Humm.
    I’ve tried and tried again. But I can’t think of one single thing that free Americas do, on a daily basis THAT DOES NOT ENRAGED muslum imbeciles!
    They are still enraged that we, in North America, use toilet paper!
    They are Enraged that we have freedom of worship here!
    They are Enraged that we educate our children! Both boys and girls.
    I say, let the imbeciles be enraged! And when they brake the LAW, PRISONS are ready and waiting.

  30. More Ham Ed says

    Nov 11, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    The leftist victimology doctrine states that any perceived minority “victim” “class” (even though they’re a MAJORITY in many places globally) can never be responsible for their own actions.

  31. Moejj says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 8:09 am

    jihadi groups are enraged? really? they are in fear now, they know their window of evil opportunity is closing fast. they understand one thing only – brute force. Strength. Hopefully now our military will be rebuilt, restored, and these heathen will receive their due.

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