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EU top dog: “We will need to teach the president-elect what Europe is and how it works”

Nov 12, 2016 10:08 am By Robert Spencer

“Juncker warned against the ‘pernicious’ consequences of Trump’s statements on security policy.”

Translation: Juncker warned against the “pernicious” consequences of Trump’s statements regarding restricting Muslim immigration. Europe is determined to commit suicide-by-Muslim-migrants, and the European elites are not going to let a stupid American rube like Donald Trump stop them.

Jean-Claude Juncker

“Donald Trump risks upsetting EU-US ties, says commission chief,” Reuters, November 11, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):

Donald Trump’s US election victory poses risks for the relationship between the European Union and the United States, the EU commission president has warned.

The president-elect was ignorant of the EU and its workings, Jean-Claude Juncker, told students at a conference in Luxembourg.

“The election of Trump poses the risk of upsetting intercontinental relations in their foundation and in their structure,” said Juncker, who as head of the EU’s executive is one of Europe’s most powerful political figures.

His remarks reflected widespread shock and concern among Europeans at the election of Trump, who among other statements has praised Russian President Vladimir Putin and questioned the principle of collective defence in Nato.

His comments contrasted with the more diplomatic reactions of European leaders who have said they look forward to working with the next Republican president.

Juncker warned against the “pernicious” consequences of Trump’s statements on security policy. He also recalled a Trump statement in which he seemed to think that Belgium, the country that hosts the headquarters of the EU and Nato, was a city.

“We will need to teach the president-elect what Europe is and how it works,” Juncker said, adding that Americans usually had no interest in Europe….

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  1. Moses says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:13 am

    They cannot get around the fact that TRUMP IS PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!!

    • Allan says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 11:27 am

      Well, actually they can. The Electoral College won’t cast ballots until Mon, Dec. 19, and the votes won’t be counted until Fri, Jan 6.

      • JOHN SPIELMAN says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 4:31 pm

        in most of the states, the electors MUST vote the way their state voted the 20 or so states that do not say that , the electors will from the Republican party if the majority of that state voted for Trump and it would be political suicide for them to change to Hitlery
        . If they voted to spoil their vote and the result was in question, the House of Representatives will chose president Trump
        PS i think I read where the electors have promised to vote the way their state voted

        • Oliver says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 4:53 pm

          Maine ( 4 electoral votes) and one other state (I think either Utah or Nebraska) have split electoral votes. In Maine, there are two Congressional district. Whoever captures the district gets that vote; the candidate with the most statewide gets the other two.

          In this election- Trump won 1 district, Clinton the other, but she had a few ( small number/small% difference) more then Trump, and will get three.

          Don’t recall how the other state works their electoral votes.

        • le mouron rouge says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 8:02 pm

          Oliver,

          The other state is Nebraska.

          This from Breitbart – http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/12/the-pendulum-swings-leftward-for-the-democrats-and-thats-good-news-for-donald-trump/

        • STEVE says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 9:18 am

          Dont be naive, we must remain just as strong and just as vocal as the infantile protesters. While acting cordial on the surface, bo and the pig have dusted off and activated their “emergency plan in the case the pig was not elected” and will allow the riots to proceed and will not say a word to calm them. Then, closer to 19 Dec, bo will encourage the ec to cast their ballots not for the pig or Trump, but for the person that will calm the nation before it erupts.That means of course the pig or bo himself or michael, the wife.Anything is possible with these two, they have already proven the depths to which they will sink to ruin this nation but keeping their wealth and positions intact. The delegates vote would never reach the house, if they change their votes, there will be enough to get the pig in the whitehouse sty. This is election is NOT over by a long shot and Trump and the DNC need to make sure the ec does not change their votes and then after 20 Jan, get rid of that worthless process.

      • Steve says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 8:30 am

        President Donald Trump… Get use to hearing this.

        • Johan elzinga says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 6:55 pm

          Juncker himself is the single greatest threat for both the EU and democracy. He has made some very insulting comments about Trump that are completely uncalled for. I’m a citizen from the Netherlands and he is supposed to represent us. Because the US is still our most important trade partner, I call for the immediate stepdown of Juncker. feel ashamed that he has not been called to do so by our own stupid government. Marc Rutte our own prime minister is a complete idiot. I hope Trump will lash out to Juncker.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 4:00 pm

      President-Elect Trump should advise the Euros and Druncker how things are going to work.

      First, the U.S. will insist that Britain exit the EU IMMEDIATELY. No actual, Brexit, no trade deal with the U.S. This is tactically and legally important because a “trade deal” with a dependent EU province would be pointless.

      A one-line Act of Parliament – “we are getting out, PM to work out details” – is all it takes. Faced with the loss of trading privileges, MP’s would pass the Brexit law by an overwhelming majority – no need for government whips.

      The “Article 50” option preferred by Eurocrats is not in America’s interest. “Article 50” would merely start a goal-less gabfest allowing the Brexit process to be hijacked by fifth columnists in London and Brussels such as Mijnheer Nick Clogg.

      Simultaneously, the U.S. should start trade negotiations with countries at the EU’s margin – Switzerland and Norway. Care must be taken to ensure that both countries openly declare fealty to the U.S. in preference to the EU, however much local pols still feel enthralled to their overlords in Brussels.

      Within the EU, the Trump administration should support the non-Euro, non-suicide block, especially Poland and Hungary as well as Croatia. Obviously, Slovenia will also be given due attention.

      • Johan elzinga says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 7:07 pm

        Nah, Not a good idea. Trump should insist that Europe gets rid of idiots like Juncker before even speaking to EU representatives.

    • JOHN SPIELMAN says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 4:34 pm

      no, I think President Trump will teach these EU politicians HOW the US works instead!

      • Praeceptor Maximus says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 7:18 pm

        Hear, hear. And I can’t wait for it. The arrogant EU!!! Next year when the elections come around in France and Germany, they will have a coronary when French people vote for Le Pen and Germans for Frauke Petry. EU’s days are numbered. Le Pen will take France out of EU. She has said it many times in her interview. And Petry will do the same. This is the fall of Babylon the great and good riddance.

        • Creole Gumbo says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 8:53 am

          I hope that happens but I fear it may be too late because so many foreigners have already entered France and the votes of the historical French could be diluted if these foreigners can vote.

    • joe says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 2:23 am

      hahaha… bc the eu is commiting suicide, thank God we now wont follow!

    • particolor says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 3:34 am

      Where did they find that Idiot Junker ??

      • Johan elzinga says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 7:02 pm

        Now THAT is the million dollar question. Juncker has been pushed forward by Germany but no one seems to know why. He has been a complete clown from the beginning, with his ideas of abolishing the national parliaments of the separate nation states of the EU!

    • loods says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 4:59 am

      Democraticaly chosen trump with millions and millions of votes from the electorate against Juncker with……. How many people voted for him? I’didn’t.

    • STEVE says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 9:23 am

      All that money he’s making and access to all that EU knowledge and know how and yet that pos junk her (good name for the pig hillary) doesn’t have a healthy tooth in his mouth. He’s disgusting to look at and even more disgusting to listen to, anytime, anywhere,. Hey junkher, where’s your good friend Britian?

  2. RichardL says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:16 am

    don’t be fooled by Mr Junk: in Europe people are just as divided about Trump as they are in the States. The misinformation machine run by Clinton’s Global Elite clique was very successful. However, the German industrialists, who until now screamed how wonderful the invaders are, yesterday released a statement that Germany and Europe cannot take any more of those wonderful people.

    With the Global Elite disintegrating, common sense will return overnight.

    South America will then be full not only of Germans but also of other European politicians.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 4:34 pm

      Ancient Athens wisely exiled thread-worn politicians to prevent them stirring up trouble after their term was up.

      As part of the Brexit negotiations, the rump-EU should insist on retaining access to St. Helena as a mandatory retirement community for the EU’s brilliant and dedicated public servants. The EU-Execrats would have all mod cons including high-speed Intranet (no Internet, of course) and a full library of EU-financed movies, and a golf course with creative wind challenges.

      Surface mail to the outside world will be available every 3 months when the supply freighter arrives. Communications will be free and uncensored, subject only to compliance with reasonable limitations in the interest of public safety, PC appropriateness, and community standards efficiently enforced by the St. Helena Office of Transparency (SHOOT).

      With membership drawn from the top tier of European politics, the Research Academy of St. Helena (RASH) will suppurate a constant stream of policy papers published in the Transactions of the Research Academy of Saint Helena (TRASH).

      • Oliver says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 5:05 pm

        Custos- you must work for, or have worked for,a government agency to figure out so many great names .

        The US military was also good for names- SNAFU was from situation normal all f—— up;

        JEEP was an acronym- although I have forgotten what.

        Others abound.

        And, I like your’se

        • Budvarakbar says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 2:58 am

          JEEP: General Purpose >>> G-P

        • STEVE says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 9:30 am

          FUBAR, FIGMO, AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE, FNG 🙂

  3. Emilie Green says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:22 am

    I’m impressed by his crooked and gaped teeth. Why he thinks as he does is perfectly understandable.

    • Tom W Harris says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 2:18 pm

      He looks downright eager to swallow some Islamic bodily fluids,.

      • Waiting says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 5:42 pm

        He prefers alcohol.

        He really is an alcoholic and in my view will have cognitive impairment.

  4. IQ al Rassooli says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:39 am

    The Writing is on the Wall for all INTELLIGENT people to read. The writing is crystal clear: The END of the BEGINNING of Political Correctness (all over Europe) started on the 8th of November 2016 with the election of Donald J Trump as the 45th President of the USA and NO brain dead self destructive European elitist is in any position to teach anything to him.

    The pendulum has just started coming down in the opposite direction and it will be mercilessly (hopefully) cutting off the heads of ALL those leaders who have been deceiving,misleading and betraying the European peoples for the last 60 years

    Already, his nomination has given backbone to ALL the police forces in the USA NOT to tolerate mayhem and rioting in the streets of America unlike what was happening under Obama. Instant positive transformation.

    There will be within the next twelve months major civil unrest all over Europe by citizens who want to take back control of their destiny, traditions, culture, security, civilization and religion

    Donald has triggered the most monumental political TSUNAMI in the 240 years history of the Republic that is so contagious it will cause political Earthquakes all over the world

    By saving the USA from four more Obama years under Hillary, Trump has not only saved the destiny of the USA but without an iota of exaggeration he has also saved Western civilization when the European peoples will overthrow their spineless, clueless, submissive and self destructive governments

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • Cretius says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 2:27 pm

      Obviously the EU elite have learned nothing from BREXIT or the steadily rising extreme right parties that are seen as a response to militant Islam and it’s threat to democracy, other religions and ALL non-Muslim cultures. Europe refused to check Hitler before WW II. They are making the same mistake with Islam.

      The leaders of the western democracies and their leftist mainstream media have demonstrated an appalling ignorance of the bigoted teachings of Islam and it’s aggressive and bloody 1,400 year history of attacking and eradicating non-believers. Islam conquers through warfare. Islam makes no accommodation and it is against their belief system to assimilate. Islam encourages deception and lies to further their worldwide aim of eradicating democracies, non-believers and other cultures. There can be no accommodation of Islam or Islamic law.

    • Lynn in Florida says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 4:24 pm

      From your lips to God’s ear! I think you are right that Trump’s election will give the Europeans the impetus to overthrow the politicians who are replacing them with Muslims migrants.

    • Oliver says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 5:07 pm

      From your post to the ehavens- may it happen- and sooner rather than later

      • Oliver says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 5:07 pm

        that is heavens

    • STEVE says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 9:27 am

      Dont be naive, we must remain just as strong and just as vocal as the infantile protesters. While acting cordial on the surface, bo and the pig have dusted off and activated their “emergency plan in the case the pig was not elected” and will allow the riots to proceed and will not say a word to calm them. Then, closer to 19 Dec, bo will encourage the ec to cast their ballots not for the pig or Trump, but for the person that will calm the nation before it erupts.That means of course the pig or bo himself or michael, the wife.Anything is possible with these two, they have already proven the depths to which they will sink to ruin this nation but keeping their wealth and positions intact. The delegates vote would never reach the house, if they change their votes, there will be enough to get the pig in the whitehouse sty. This is election is NOT over by a long shot and Trump and the DNC need to make sure the ec does not change their votes and then after 20 Jan, get rid of that worthless process.

  5. Bradthefuzz says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:48 am

    Hey Juncker… We’re not all leftist cowards like you. You tried to appease the adder and never knew you are bitten and dying a slow ignorant death. You emasculated your men, brought a sentence of rape upon your women and sharia law to your future generations. Repent…Jesus is Lord !!!

  6. Michael Laudahn says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:55 am

    You chose the next-best photo of Jean-Claude ‘Drunckerd’ Juncker you could find. The best one would have been one with a bottle.

  7. Don McKellar says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:59 am

    After the next elections in Germany and France, this pompous idiot will be out on his ass and the EU will be gone. And he and others like him will, for the rest of their gilded cage lives, never be able to figure out why, nor understand that they brought about their own undoing.

  8. CV says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:16 am

    Yes, please teach us. Lets start with EU paying for its own defense.

  9. Dreadnaught says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:32 am

    Most people in Europe an I include my Country UK know that Juncker is an alcoholic louse who’s political claim to fame that he was Mayor of Luxembourg. Thats right Luxem-fuckin-bourg (its on the map somewhere). This unelected man is the epitome of all that ails Europe and mightily pisses off its people. He will fall before Trump.

  10. Westman says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:35 am

    I would like a view into Jean-Claude Juncker’s mind after his first personal negotiation with Pres.Trump. Within the isolation of his unelected Ivory tower, Juncker may see himself as potenate until Trump tells him to raise his own army, pay for it, or face the consequences. The arrogance of his aristocratic assumption to be Trump’s instructor is going to get a stripdown.

    Trump is correct that Europe has been subsidized, for its defense, far too long. NATO needs re-negotation or dissolution.

    • Westman says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 11:43 am

      Additionaly, NATO has no significance when the future conquerers are invited in through the front door. The problem for Europe will not be foreign wars – it will be internal civil wars. NATO has no strategies for that eventuality.

    • Alien Republican says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 12:12 pm

      “Trump is correct that Europe has been subsidized, for its defense, far too long.”
      —
      If Trump squeezes out more money from the Nato member states, resulting in them cutting their costs in subsidising reverse colonialism by “refugees”, the result would be a win-win for the people on both sides of the pond.

      • Westman says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 5:12 pm

        True.

        The EU can’t afford the “refugee” males and their future non-working spouses without an external subsidy. They don’t realize it yet. The economic engine, Germany is loaning money to smaller states, like Greece, Italy, etc, who will never repay it. Take away the subsidies and it’s like a homeowner with a ballon payment coming due on a liar-loan.

        • Alien Republican says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 3:34 am

          It’s even worse because the males are mostly not qualified for the market. However, even if they were they would be competing with millions of young adults in southern europe who have been having a hard time finding jobs in their native country for decades.

          To top that the aging population means that in a not so distant future a minority will work to subsidize jobless europeans, “refugees” and a growing number of retired people.

          It’s not science – it’s common sense that seems to be absent among the current “elites”.

      • Oliver says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 5:13 pm

        Pres. Elect Trump ALSO SAID the next war ( which is the current war) is the one against terrorism and terrorists.

        I guess the Nice beach attack; Paris Friday night shootings; Brussels burning;l rapes all over the palce are meaningless. Well, (in my non PC and non JW preferred view) better in Europe than the US or Israel.

        Would be best of confined to such garden spots as Pakistan; Iran; Syria; Iraq; Morocco; Algeria; Tunisia; Gaza; etc.

        • Westman says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 5:29 pm

          “Garden spots” – that is amusing, Oliver. Even the richest gleaming city, Riyadh, SA, only draws poor workers who will be abused and contractors whose wives can’t wait to leave.

          I could be wrong.. it appears too late to save the EU from future upheavals caused by jihadists and their sympathizers. They are already, “sleeping with the enemy”.

  11. Mark A says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:47 am

    With advisers like Nigel Farage, I’m pretty sure Donald Trump already has a good idea of what the EU is and how it works.

    I’m sure Nigel Farage has fully briefed Donald Trump on what to expect from Jean-Claude Junker.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 5:50 pm

      His name is Druncer with a “c,” but it’s also undoubtedly true that Druncker is a junker.

      • Kepha says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

        I thought it was Junkie. Apologies to my father, may he rest in peace, for he taught me much better about the German language.

  12. Stan Lee says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:52 am

    The Euros needn’t teach us anything. When they’re in deep trouble, not appeasing their tormentors, but seeking help from a willing helper, then USA has stepped up “to the rescue.”
    Who IH is Juncker to teach us a damned thing? What have they to teach us, anyway? Appeasing? Fear of resorting to supporting laws against violence? Juncker can talk a lofty game, but he and his brain-trust are flops! If they could give away whatever Europeans have prized for centuries, he’d do it!As a matter of fact, they are doing it!
    The EU has nothing to teach us, on the contrary, they should make note of how we deal with confrontation.
    If Juncker is alluding to our nation opening all of its entry points like Germany or France have done, then we prefer to be like Hungary. The Hungarian P.M. has the right idea and will not be intimidated by the confirmed cowardly losers!
    The EU may believe it has done something beneficial for Muslims who cannot take their eyes off of better economies than they themselves have. Had the EU all contributed to “safe areas” where most of Mideast Muslims live, the Muslims would have been more at home and could practice Islam to their heart’s content.
    But, with one proviso; Muslim mass genocide of Christians and other non-Muslims has to stop! Non_Muslims deserve to keep their humanity and dignity and not be victimized by bloodthirsty Muslims who lack self-esteem to a degree that they won’t allow non-Muslim self-esteem.
    Muslims haven’t proved they can live in peace together, it is a suicide contract on the part of a non-Muslim EU to gamble innocent non-Muslim lives for one issue of the EU appeasement!

    • Alien Republican says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 12:01 pm

      Well said. The EU is not Europe and Bruxelles has hijacked the nation-states. Brexit is the first step but they are busy in trying to revert that legally and be prepared to see democrats in the USA playing ALL dirty tricks possible to get their way.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 5:05 pm

      BTW Wikileaks proves that the accelerating disaster brought by “Merkel’s Milling Migrants” was known and followed in detail by Hillary’s campaign and other PC leftards including the Puffington Host:

      https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/295

      https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/197 (While most centrist & leftwing politicians lie liberally about (esp. Continental) Europe’s Immigration Disaster, Angela Merkel & Wouter Bos once blurted out the terrible truth, thereby sounding just like Pim Fortuyn)

      • Custos Custodum says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 5:07 pm

        P.S.: Wikileaks email author orca100@upcmail.nl is clearly an avid JW reader. Through him, Podesta and her Hagness herself can no longer feign ignorance.

      • Oliver says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 7:24 pm

        The Huffington Post is already (4 days after election day) that Trump and Pence are out to screw (nor sexually-legally) the gays, lesbians, etc.

        Seems the lefties, so used to Obama doing what he wants- that when someone that they don’t (politically or in any sense- has different views) feel that they ( the ones that they don’t agree with) will also do what they want- regardless of the law.

        What can one expect from illiberal liberals?

        • Kepha says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 8:27 pm

          HuffenPoop doesn’t know that Trump is the most pro-LGBTQ Republican there is. It’s one reason why some of us who voted for him did so holding our noses. Had I known how little a difference my vote for him ultimately made in my deep indigo state, I would’ve written in for Darrel Castle.

  13. Alien Republican says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:59 am

    Junker looks happy when he hids the bottle in his anus. Apart from that the sooner the EU is shredded to pieces the better.

  14. Dan says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    America.

    Don’t knock this guy.

    Part of building anything successful?

    Is a whole lot easier when you have examples of blatant failures shoved in your face so you don’t make the same mistakes.

    The world need morons.

    • Dan says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 12:37 pm

      Dang.

      “Needs.”

      This site “needs” an edit button.

    • Oliver says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 5:18 pm

      Dan– P. E. Trump should heed the wise words of Benj. Franklin.

      NEVER argue with an idiot. The idiot has HAD SO MUCH PRACTICE.

      That would and should also apply to taking advice.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 8:13 pm

      I don’t think we need morons–but we have plenty of them, any way.

      • Peggy says

        Nov 14, 2016 at 5:36 pm

        At least they show us how not to do things.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 5:44 pm

          We certainly have plenty of cautionary tales…

  15. Paul Clark says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    His face is as ugly as his thoughts. Another radical in temporary power. Her leads a another organization of leeches similar to the UN. GB got rid of these parasites and now it is time for the rest of Europe to do the same.

  16. Jay Boo says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    Boycott EU products.

    EU politicians will soon tire of their patronizing attitude and virtue signaling to the world about inviting cheap labor Muslim out of the supposed high moral character when the EU economy shrivels until they have no longer have the ability to flaunt their stolen tax wealth at the expense of their governed citizens.

  17. Jay Boo says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    The old theory that says:
    ‘(if only we continue to say nice things about Muslims, they will not cause any unseemly drama)’ is not working out so well in the EU.

  18. Voytek Gagalka says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    Look: the old man is losing his teeth by the minute now (suffering from scurvy?) perhaps as the result of Pres. Trump victory!

    • Waiting says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 5:46 pm

      Alcohol induced nutritional deficiency.

  19. Isntlam says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    I’m sure this guy could teach it if he could figure it out himself.

  20. David says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    European politicians have made such an incredible mess of things, there is nothing they can teach us Americas.
    The vile, hateful muslims need to be either CAGED or deported.
    Anyone, muslim or no, attacking women or kids in the street must be “hung by the neck untill dead!”.
    I firmly believe that, if we are to have these savage, barbaric 4th world “throwbacks” living in our country, they need to be made aware of our LAWS and be required to OBAY THEM!
    And ZERO welfare payments! These leeches need to WORK! Just like the redt of us. I’ve had to pump gas, wash dishes and scrub out toilets to earn my daily bread. Why not our muslum LEACHES?

  21. Angemon says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    Donald Trump’s US election victory poses risks for the relationship between the European Union and the United States, the EU commission president has warned.

    *Appointed* commission president, that is – not elected, like Trump. I’d think twice before trying to lecture others.

    His remarks reflected widespread shock and concern among Europeans at the election of Trump

    I’m neither shocked nor concerned. In fact, I saw it coming. As have many, many other Europeans whose interests are neither known to, nor defended by, the commissar, I mean commissary, I mean appointed commission president. Because why would he case about the average European trying to earn a honest living and support themselves and their families when he has a whole lot of s*** to f*** up? I mean, macro scenarios to manage.

    His comments contrasted with the more diplomatic reactions of European leaders who have said they look forward to working with the next Republican president.

    He doesn’t even represent the European political “elite”he’s supposed to represent – how could he possibly represent the average European individual?

    “We will need to teach the president-elect what Europe is and how it works,”

    Good. Do that. Maybe Trump will go public on how flawed the system is. You clearly don’t pay attention to what Europeans feel, so maybe a little “good, old-fashioned public shaming” will do the trick.

    • Vlad says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      The US can do without Europe. Can Europe do without the US?
      I think that Juncker (and Europe) needs to learn a very important lesson, which is:

      Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

  22. gravenimage says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 2:54 pm

    EU top dog: “We will need to teach the president-elect what Europe is and how it works”
    …………………….

    My God, how patronizing.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 5:14 pm

      Druncker may have been on a booze binge and thinks it’s still Halloween, with undead zEUmbies wandering the land hunting for the last few non-PC “braaaiiins” still holding out on the Dark Continent.

    • Alien Republican says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 3:46 am

      @Gravenimage: When Hillary used the term “base of deplorables” I have been happy to see that she had to retract and to apologize for that. She wouldn’t have to without a sense of decency still prevailing in the US. Merkel and her mignons have said worse on a regular basis. “Basket of deplorables” is almost nice compared to “dirty pack” (Lumpenpack). Some are protesting right now saying that “Trump is not my president” – Merkel one said that “this is not my country”. Well,then go.

      I will post a comparison of Merkels “congratulatory” notes. It seems that Washington Post has taken to edge of in translation.

      • Alien Republican says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 3:51 am

        Washington Post:

        “It is based on these values that I wish to offer close cooperation, both with me personally and between our countries’ governments.”

        The Guardian is accurate:

        “On the basis of these values, I offer US president-elect Donald Trump our close cooperation.”

        Her cooperation is conditional….

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 15, 2016 at 5:52 pm

        Alien Republican, I speak a bit of German. You are quite right that “Lumpenpack” is even uglier in tone than is “basket of deplorables”–but they are both pretty ugly dismissals of the public’s concerns.

    • Peggy says

      Nov 14, 2016 at 5:38 pm

      I’d like to see him try.

  23. Maggie says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    mr. juncker is just that JUNK. Listen you fool, the uk forsook Israel years ago, and do not thing for a nano-second you are paying the price with your new soon to be ruling class the evil RICO moozlum cultists. You socialists have sown into the wind, and now are such CRY BABIES having to reap the whirlwind—LOL!!!

  24. Brian Hunter says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    Perhaps president Trump will teach you, Mr. Juncker, how to pay for your own defense.

  25. Richard Paulsen says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    I voted for EU, however never thought it would support muslim immigration and islamization. It could not stop housingcrisis either. Terrible.

  26. Jim Conch says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    They, the EU, does not want to lose the American dollars that are spent over there in their defense.

  27. Joe says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    We need to teach the child molester swamp here and in Europe that their time has come to go to prison! Together with their child molesting brothers of Islam.

  28. Rob says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Better get in quick Jean-Claude.
    Europe is disappearing fast.

  29. Matthieu Baudin says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    “… We will need to teach the president-elect what Europe is and how it works,” Juncker said, adding that Americans usually had no interest in Europe…”

    Juncker is heading for the Buncker, or at least for the sandpit to bury his head. Americans have always been interested in Europe, but keep in mind that the New World is a big place with a very large population with plenty to keep the population preoccupied over domestic matters.

    Perhaps more to the point, Europeans are very interested in the Americas and the USA in particular. The Trump ascendancy, rocky road that it is sure to be, will free up European politicians and community leaders to discuss more plainly and openly how to deal with the European Jihad Insurgency, free from the ever present pressure to conformity and acquiescence that emanated from the Obama Administration.

  30. Richard Paulsen says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    They do not give a damn about Europe and europeans and Europe and the europeans do not give a damn about themselves.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 8:20 pm

      Actually, I *do* care about Europe and the Europeans, and don’t want to see that great continent–the font of Western civilization–ruined by ravening Muslim invaders.

      • Peggy says

        Nov 14, 2016 at 5:42 pm

        If Europe became Islamised it would be very bad for the world. Many advancements are made in Europe and many things which progress our civilized world would dry up. That is unacceptable.
        I too want to see a true Democratic and prosperous Europe. We all need it.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 6:10 pm

          Very true, Peggy. Few things would be worse for the West and the fight against global Jihad than the fall of Europe to Islam.

  31. Praeceptor Maximus says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 8:38 pm

      Excellent but very disturbing video. Thanks for posting.

    • billybob says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 12:03 am

      Powerful!

  32. David, Thailand says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    Juncker will ‘teach’ him, Merkel ‘warned’ him…during Trump’s tenure I’d wager we’ll see the EU on its knees blaming everyone but its own socialist leaders.

  33. Richard Paulsen says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    Europe now does not understand what happens. As before WW2. It is time Europe recognizes its mistake allowing islam to grow like nazism before WW2.

    • Alien Republican says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 4:05 am

      The US readers on this site have seen first hand how biased the US media had been. Now imagine a continent of 500 millions where the media has vilyfied the future President in 99.9% of the cases. Don’t think I’m exagerating. I haven’t read, heard ONE single favourable report on Trump on, with the exception of “Weltwoche” (conservative) and even they did not believe in his victory.

      Thank god for the internet and blogger offering a way to hear alternative view. I expect that source of information to become worthess too within a decade as soon on politcal party manages to get a hold on search engines. It has already been done though probly not as a tool for inlfuencing elections.

      • Richard Paulsen says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 8:50 am

        I agree. The alternative now so far good, but will change. Already on its way. For example here in Sweden where I am writining from.
        New rules to “PKize” the free word even more being announced. Especially concerning the net and alternative media.
        Deciding who will get money from the state and who not. A new board deciding which, paper, TV-channel, book company, writer will get.
        Hard control. Only supporting those supportng the leading and lying media, all the time defaiming the free word and alternative media.

  34. CrossWare says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    They are irrelevant they just do not know it yet. True walking dead!
    Viktor Orbán about Trump’s election: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-LqPr3j4o

  35. TH says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 1:48 am

    The fact is that their “Europe”, not the real Europe, doesn’t work. It is anti-democratic and works principally in the interest of leftist elites and great corporations. Trump’s victory will only encourage those who want to leave it such as the National Front in France and Gert Wilder’s party in Holland. Who elected Junkers? Nobody and he doesn’t respond to any democratic control. In fact, in the European Parliament members are not allowed to propose legislation. I would assume that the consider the ordinary citizens as a “basket of deplorables” in HIllar’s words.

  36. Jerry says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 1:55 am

    The EU-top-dog = SOB is trying to engage
    Trump in a pissing contest because he
    knows well enough that his rotten PC
    cannot win a biting contest.

    Wake up! Islam is not a religion of peace.
    It has a genocidal agenda concerning all
    Non-Muslims it is unable to intimidate
    into converting to it.

    In contrast with Christianity and Judaism
    where, usually, the more religious people
    become the less violent they become,
    the more devout Muslims become the
    more genocidal they become.

    True peace with Muslims will only be
    possible when Muslims are willing and
    able to permanently give up Jihad,
    supremacism and misogyny.

    Wake up and realise that Muhammad
    was never God’s messenger but a
    self appointed plundering warlord who
    invented a religion in order to justify
    his plundering.

    The laughable myth of a paradise with
    72 virgins awaiting any gullible supporter
    who dies in pursuit of Muhammad’s
    plundering forays was clearly invented
    because no one of the Muslim criminals
    who participated in the Muhammadan
    genocidal plunder could aver come
    back to deny that there is such a
    “paradise”.

    • Richard Paulsen says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 10:44 am

      It is very strange they are accusing Donald Trump of being not democratic and saying that islam and muslims are for democracy.

  37. Eric Jones says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 2:02 am

    Perhaps Mr. Junker is too proud in his pronouncements. Britian is leaving the EU. The USA and Russia oppose the globalist bankers. France and the Netherlands may be the next to leave the EU. Perhaps Mr. Junker will be the one learning how the new Europe wii be operating.

    Eric

  38. nicholas tesdorf says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 3:03 am

    It would be more profitable to the World if Der Juncker listened to Donald Trump and learned something about democracy and how to apply it to the totally undemocratic EU. Der Juncker is determined to commit Euro-suicide-by-Muslim-migrants, and the European elites are not listening to their grossly disgruntled population. It would be good if Donald Trump was able to wake the EU up to the danger.

    • Demsci says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 1:07 pm

      I think and hope that Trump’s influence will get through, have big consequences, raising enthousiasm among Patriots.

      Many Europeans are sick and tired of the arrogant political attitude, brooking no resistance to mass-immigration, of the European commission.

      The beauty of Democracy is that such an attitude, first in America, then in Western Europe, in say, Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, wil cause so called “extreme right parties gaining biggest party positions”. Holland, after Trumps win, seems already rife with speculation about the elections on 18 march.

      By the way, in our Newspaper the president of the EU was identified DONALD TUSK (a Pole).

      And countries like Poland, Czech rep, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary are already on Trump’s side.
      And I can imagine that first lady Melania soon will visit them, esp. Slovenia.

  39. Bhartiya says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 3:33 am

    European leaders are in clutches of ???

    Who are they bought out to?

    Threats!

    In US protests every where! Who is behind all this disturbance?

    In a democratic country people are refusing to accept an elected president?

    • Alien Republican says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 4:06 am

      “In a democratic country people are refusing to accept an elected president?”
      —
      Aren’t those the same people outraged about Trump not committing to accept defeat ?

  40. Marty says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 6:00 am

    It will be easy to see how the EU works in a year or two.
    When it falls apart, its corrupt, anti democratic entrails will
    be there for all to see.
    How appropriate that a person called Junker is the top
    dog in the Fourth Reich.

    • Peggy says

      Nov 14, 2016 at 5:59 pm

      I’ve been waiting for the fall of EU for a long time now.
      Nothing worse than tyranny disguised as democracy. At least with Communism or any other dictatorship you know what you have and can hope that one day it will change but in a false democracy you are more likely to even contribute to it because you are so deceived.
      All one has is an illusion of democracy and happily continues thinking he/she has power. Yes, we have power to change things but when we think that we are free and told the truth we are more shackled than the person who is actually shackled.

      Thank God for the Internet. We would still be relying on MSM and lapping it up.

  41. Avner Eliyahu Romm says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 7:29 am

  42. Carolyne says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 11:03 am

    I don’t think those European drones who meet in Brussels and Vienna from time to time and live luxurious lives on the people’s money have anything of worth to teach us. We have taught them a thing or two during two world wars and they would do best to remember who defeated them and who saved them.
    They might want to learn a few things, such as the near defeat by the Ottoman Empire when they were at the gates of Vienna before they were repelled and we should teach them that it could happen again. Not as with WW I and II when we saved their bacon. Are they really that stupid or do they just love the bribery by Saudi Arabia so much?

  43. Florida Jim says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 11:08 am

    Europe is dead BRIXIT killed it and open borders strangled her. Globalists want a one-world-society George Soros has been planning this for decades and he is SATAN personified. Search for a listing of all the damage he funds quietly and the army of misfits he pays to protest everything at his whim. The Conservative marchers picked up all the trash after their Washington March Soros’s protesters burn, rape, mock and lie they are cowards and should be stopped by force.Anyone who damages’ anther’s property should go to jail have a police record to prevent them from getting a job there must be a penalty or Soros’ wins.Had we done this to Bill Ayers and his slutty wife , who kill;ed people, they would have been jailed and forgotten about which is what they deserve. They had children these children should be named and shunned.

  44. Peter says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    Junker is a classic example of the out-of-touch European political class. The French dirigiste centralized supranational model is a failure. “Europe” doesn’t “work.” The welfare state breeds stagnancy, and will become even less affordable if Trump reeducates Europe about self-defense.

  45. david says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    Please, please just keep Europe in Europe…….we don’t want to know how it operates for we see the negative results everyday.

  46. Renee says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    Juncker, the Joker, was never elected by the people of Europe. He did not speak on behalf of the people of Europe. Most of the people are totally opposed to Junkers ideas and visions on Europe.
    Hopefully the president of the USA, will teach him a lesson he will not forget.

  47. Ric says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    Once again, the pomposity of the EU overlords is, needless to say, not surprising. They have created a social quagmire from which they will never recover. They shall discover rather quickly that Trump does not need to be taught by a gaggle of Marxist comrades whom cannot keep the EU’s citizenry safe from the religion of peace. States cobbled together and micromanaged by leftist technocrats whose sole bent is next to totalitarianism if not absolutely. Brexit, this was the beginning, one nation saying enough is enough.

    It was not solely immigration but also the autocratic overlords bleeding a nation’s sovereignty for the benefit of a few super-overlords. Trump, he has seen his own nation being bled white by the those of a similar ilk. Trump has witnessed America being attacked by leftists, aspirant Marxists and other enemies of America’s Constitutional Democracy. This malignancy of which the EU is a player will teach Trump naught: historically the Europeans have had its you-knows yanked out of the fire by the U.S. It’s time the EU ceases with its old world arrogance and learns a few tings from President-Elect, Trump.

    If not, they may be on their own when they are overrun by the enemy: oops, they already are overrun by the enemy. Trump’s America will not follow the EU’s lead into another Dark Age.

    • Renee says

      Nov 14, 2016 at 1:55 pm

      Fortunately one free nation will remain. USA: In God We Trust.

      • Cretius says

        Nov 14, 2016 at 4:04 pm

        I gather you don’t travel very much.

  48. Peggy says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    I think that EU is scared. They know the US won’t support their dictatorship any longer and since they have no army NATO is in doubt so how can they possibly control Europe for much longer?
    These are the growls of a dying beast.
    Trump wants peace not war.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 14, 2016 at 8:38 am

      “Trump wants peace not war.”

      How did he say he’d deal with the islamic state?

      • Peggy says

        Nov 14, 2016 at 6:02 pm

        I am talking about NATO being used as US war machine to protect the Muslim of Europe. Christians are going to revolt against Islam and if Hillary won or Obama was in the office NATO would put a stop to that.
        Once Muslims are defeated we will have peace.
        With Hillary in the office we would never have peace.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 2:22 pm

          You really believe that? If so, are you insane? As in, certifiable? Do you know what NATO is and how it works? You know what? Never mind. I’m just going to run with your ignorance. If NATO, as you claim, was willing to go to war on Europe to combat your imaginary rebellion and protect muslims, why won’t they do so under Trump? The only thing that changed in your scenario is the President of the USA, not anything or anyone inside NATO. Anyway, isn’t NATO bombing ISIS? Why aren’t they defending ISIS muslims?

        • Peggy says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 11:47 pm

          Angemon you accuse me of insulting you by saying you are spiteful and need to get your venom out on someone.

          Look at the way you respond to a post you don’t like.

          Kindly f*** off, you ignorant bint, and take your crazy conspiracy theories with you.

          Case closed.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 6:03 am

          Peggy posted:

          ´”Angemon you accuse me of insulting you by saying you are spiteful and need to get your venom out on someone.”

          I “accused” you because you said that. Do you deny it? Do you deny you told me that?

          “Look at the way you respond to a post you don’t like.”

          “A post that I didn’t like”? Lol! You leave out that you made a series of insane claims that you can’t possibly back up because they are false.

          “Kindly f*** off, you ignorant bint, and take your crazy conspiracy theories with you.

          Case closed.”

          Did you call me a “spiteful, lying little creature who needs to get his venom out at someone” because I told you to f*** of and take your crazy conspiracy theories with you? No, you did so elsewhere and at an earlier time. You also directed many other insults at me, and you also repeatedly lied about me and ascribed me things I did not say. Heck, here you are again, implying that I deserved to be insulted in the past because of something I told you here. That you have to ignore the rest of my posts – where I call you out your inanities – to make your point is much more telling than anything I could possibly say.

          Three posts and you haven’t answered several things. Because that’s your shtick – muddle the issue and murk the waters. You have defended that Western countries should “deport” their native muslim citizens to a muslim country. How do you justify wanting to force muslims and non-muslims living together as one single nation? Where and when will this revolt of Christians in Europe happen? I want to know because I want to avoid travelling to what will become a warzone around the time the war will start. And I see you don’t disagree with what I said about NATO not interfering in case France or Britain having a civil war unless their respective governments ask for it.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 6:13 am

          P.S.: Crude and offensive to your precious little feelings that telling you to f*** off may have been, it was blunt and upfront, not venomous. “Venom” would be the ill-feelings and malevolence you clearly feel towards me, the ill-feelings and malevolence that drive you to distort my words, trying to imply that I’m defending muslims and wanted Christians to be bombed, or taking pot shots at my ancestry. That, my dear, is venom, and it’s all coming from you, not me. Be careful not to bite your tongue…

      • Peggy says

        Nov 15, 2016 at 5:18 pm

        Angemon says

        November 15, 2016 at 2:22 pm

        You really believe that? If so, are you insane? As in, certifiable? Do you know what NATO is and how it works? You know what? Never mind. I’m just going to run with your ignorance. If NATO, as you claim, was willing to go to war on Europe to combat your imaginary rebellion and protect muslims, why won’t they do so under Trump
        ===============================
        Thanks for the insults.
        Now, NATO will not go to war to protect the Muslims under Trump because Trump is not going to demand it.
        NATO has gone to war against Christians in Europe in support of Muslims. Did you forget about bombing of Serbia or do you think it was deserved?
        NATO under Clinton created two new Islamic countries in Europe, Bosnia and Kosovo.
        Trump would never have allowed that.
        The US have from Clinton to Obama aided ISIS and it’s only recently that they have shown some sort of resistance to them because of Russia and the fact that they have been exposed about it.

        You may disagree with me but you can’t change history.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 6:24 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “Thanks for the insults.”

          Insults? Plural? One alleged insult, and a conditional one that that – I said that if you really believe what you spouted (that “Christians are going to revolt against Islam” and about “NATO being used as US war machine to protect the Muslim of Europe”) then you are insane, and I stand by it. Quite different from you claiming, for example, that I’m “someone so full of anger and resentment that [I] can’t even stay calm” or that I “lie” and “make up stuff”, or that I am a “spiteful, lying little creature who needs to get his venom out at someone”, etc. “Thanks for the insults”? You’re welcome, but when it comes to insults, I’m way, way, way far behind you, seeing how you have, on numerous occasions, resorted to insulting me instead of actually addressing what I say.

          “Now, NATO will not go to war to protect the Muslims under Trump because Trump is not going to demand it.”

          Again: you have no idea of what NATO is and how it works. NATO is not a country with a standing army. Its member states provide NATO forces. If, like your insane claim states, NATO would go to war on Europe to defend European muslims, it would do so whether the US were involved or not. And if Christians rebelled in, for example, France or Britain, and started going after muslims, NATO wouldn’t send a single soldier in without the approval of the French or British government, I can assure you of that. BTW, you know that Trump talked about withdrawing the US out of NATO, right? Kinda hard to have a saying on what NATO does or not when you’re not a part of it.

          “NATO has gone to war against Christians in Europe in support of Muslims. Did you forget about bombing of Serbia or do you think it was deserved?”

          Ah, another loaded question – typical of you. You realize that Yugoslavia broke up by itself, don’t you? That NATO got into the scene AFTER the fighting started and that they helped to bring the fight to an end. Would you have preferred that the fighting continued up to this day? Do you think that the Serbians did no wrong in the war or do you think human rights only apply to non-muslims? Misguided as the NATO intervention may have been, attempting to frame it as if NATO saw it as a religious war alone, ignoring all other driving forces, and picked a side, like you and CB seem to enjoy doing, is nothing short of lying.

          “NATO under Clinton created two new Islamic countries in Europe, Bosnia and Kosovo.”

          I guess that the poor, oppressed people in Bosnia and Kosovo are to this day being forced to remain in Bosnia and Kosovo by NATO and Clinton, eh? All those poor muslims in Kosovo and Bosnia want nothing more than going back to live under Serbian rule but the big, mean US and NATO just won’t let them! Part of the reason why the Balkans were a clusterf*** was that a bunch of people who hate one another were being forced to live as a single people. I really don’t understand why you think that forcing muslims to live under infidel rule would make things better to the infidels who would have to share a country with them. You are also contradicting yourself – aren’t you in favour of Western nations “deporting” their native muslim citizens somewhere else? Why the double standards?

          “Trump would never have allowed that.”

          Or so you say. Like I said, kinda hard to have a saying on what an organization you are not a part of does or not. But tell us, oh all-knowing Oracle, what would Trump have done if he was president in the 90’s? Would he have taken the US out of NATO? Would he have refused to supply NATO troops to intervene in the Balkans? If NATO decided to go even without American support would he have sent American troops to fight against NATO troops?

          “The US have from Clinton to Obama aided ISIS”

          Huh, you realize that Bill Clinton left office long before ISIS even existed, right? Same for George Bush. You can’t re-write history to fit your narrative, comrade. A lie is a lie is a lie.

          “and it’s only recently that they have shown some sort of resistance to them because of Russia and the fact that they have been exposed about it.”

          Citation needed.

          “You may disagree with me but you can’t change history.”

          No, that’s your prerogative, when you say that Clinton and Bush aided ISIS, seeing how ISIS was created long after they left office.

          Now let me tell you a couple of things. You are NOT a citizen of a NATO member country. Don’t try to deny it, I can tell from the sheer ignorance in your posts. I am. I’m a citizen of one of its founding members. I learned in school about why NATO was created and how it works. My country’s army is one of the top 10 largest standing armies in NATO. That means jack s*** because the US and Turkey, the two largest armies, have more troops than the other 8 counties combined, but facts are facts. And my country has a long, proud history of fighting islam. Do you know how many of my fellow citizens, bred, born, and raised in my land, are members of ISIS? 0. Zero. Can you say the same thing? Can you honestly tell me that your country, whatever you’re pretending it is today, has no one bred, born and raised in it joining the ISIS ranks? The only ISIS-related issue we’re facing is army and Air Force members deserting to go and join militias fighting against ISIS. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to let an arrogant, ignorant outsider with absolutely no knowledge of cause and desperately trying to rewrite history tell me that my country would send troops to defend muslims in Europe. Kindly f*** off, you ignorant bint, and take your crazy conspiracy theories with you.

      • Peggy says

        Nov 15, 2016 at 8:25 pm

        . And I’ll be damned if I’m going to let an arrogant, ignorant outsider with absolutely no knowledge of cause and desperately trying to rewrite history tell me that my country would send troops to defend muslims in Europe. Kindly f*** off, you ignorant bint, and take your crazy conspiracy theories with you.
        =======================
        So you happen to be a citizen of a NATO country. Bravo, that means you know everything about NATO. Us “ignorant fools” who don’t live in a NATO country just can’t possibly know anything about it.
        Angemon, which country are you a citizen of? Also, it seems that you might be just a citizen there but your ancestry is from somewhere else.
        How and why NATO started is not how and why NATO is still around. The threat of Soviet Union has passed and NATO should be obsolete.
        Let me see if I have this right. You claim that the bombing of Serbia is justified and NATO entered the war after civil war started in Yugoslavia,
        So killing Christians in order to give a country to Muslims who have never had that country. Since you are so good at history tell me when was Bosnia ever Muslim or when was Kosovo ever Muslim or even a country.

        If Muslims wanted a chunk of your country because they are a majority in that region would you say no worries, take it because we can’t force you to live with us?
        ”
        You said.
        Kindly f*** off, you ignorant bint, and take your crazy conspiracy theories with you.”

        You’re getting a lot better with your aggression now. If you don’t agree with me it would be helpful if you didn’t tell me to F off.
        Sure ISIS didn’t exist at the time of Clinton or even before but Al-Qeida and other Islamist groups did and many became members of ISIS. So the US under Bush, Clinton, Obama supported and armed them and continued to do so under Hillary’s watch till now.

        This is a well known fact so calling me a liar is showing your ignorance.

        • Peggy says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 8:36 pm

          Angemon said:

          Misguided as the NATO intervention may have been, attempting to frame it as if NATO saw it as a religious war alone, ignoring all other driving forces, and picked a side, like you and CB seem to enjoy doing, is nothing short of lying.
          ==============================

          Yes, I do expect everyone to pick a side. I certainly don’t expect anyone to pick the Muslim slide which you seem to be picking here.
          So Muslims very bad when they are misbehaving in US, UK etc, but when they misbehave in Yugoslavia they are the oppressed poor victims?
          What exactly are you saying?

          Do you not realize than now Bosnia and Kosovo are Jihadists’ launching sites to the rest of Europe? Was it a good idea to let them have their own countries by taking land away from the Christians?
          You are not saying this in so many words but you certainly seem to be saying it in the round about way.

          BTW you bring up my angry words directed at you all the time but don’t forget it is YOU who started being aggressive towards me from the very beginning and you got that reaction.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 5:55 am

          Peggy posted:

          “Yes, I do expect everyone to pick a side. I certainly don’t expect anyone to pick the Muslim slide which you seem to be picking here.”

          And there goes your libel machine, full steam on. Apparently, me saying that NATO didn’t consider the wars in the Balkans as a religious conflict (and Bosnia is like, 50% non-muslim so, like I said, there were other driving forces for the wars n the Balkans other than religion alone) is “picking the muslim side”. Lies and slander – and you wonder why I told you to f*** off…

          “So Muslims very bad when they are misbehaving in US, UK etc, but when they misbehave in Yugoslavia they are the oppressed poor victims?
          What exactly are you saying?
          ”

          Again with the mischaracterizations and distortions of what I said, trying to portray me as defending muslims. This is nothing but an attempted character assassination from someone who publicly tried to pressure a member of the site staff into censoring me. And you wonder why I told you to f*** off…

          “Do you not realize than now Bosnia and Kosovo are Jihadists’ launching sites to the rest of Europe?”

          Would you prefer those jihadis were hiding in Christian countries? Would those jihadis would not do so if they were in Yugoslavia or Serbia?

          “Was it a good idea to let them have their own countries by taking land away from the Christians?”

          Where did the muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo came from? Can you tell a Christian Bosnian from a muslim Bosnian at a glance? Oh, and isn’t Bosnia around 50% non-muslim?

          “You are not saying this in so many words but you certainly seem to be saying it in the round about way.”

          Nope. There you go again, ascribing me something I didn’t say. And you wonder why I told you to f*** off…

          “BTW you bring up my angry words directed at you all the time”

          “All the time”? Far from it. I bring the up when you try to play the poor, little, innocent victim. You are a spiteful person who has routinely engaged in attempted character assassination and often and repeatedly resorts to personal insults instead of addressing the points I make.

          “but don’t forget it is YOU who started being aggressive towards me from the very beginning and you got that reaction.”

          Ah, so I “deserved it” – I said something you didn’t like and therefore you felt you had the right to insult me. I hope you’re not a lawyer – “sure, the muslim gang I’m defending caught the alleged victim in the streets and gang-raped her but she got that reaction because she was out at late hours of the night and dressed in a provocative fashion”. Anyway, that’s what you say – that I was being “aggressive” (because, apparently being “aggressive” is innately a bad thing, right?). Of course, that only makes sense if by “being aggressive” you mean “rebutting your points”, which doesn’t seem to be the case. I say it’s the other way around: *you* have often insulted me instead of addressing the points I raised. I certainly remember asking you, on numerous occasions, to stop insulting and instead to address my points, only to be greeted with more insults. Heck, you went out of your way to disparage me:

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/saudis-threaten-to-sell-us-assets-if-theyre-held-responsible-for-role-in-911#comment-1419413

          You swooped in on someone else’s conversation – something you have excoriated me for doing, you double-standarded bigot – and made a series of claims about me. How was I being “aggressive” to you when I wasn’t even addressing you to begin with?

          Anyway, even after two posts you haven’t answered several things. Because that’s your shtick – muddle the issue and murk the waters. You have defended that Western countries should “deport” their native muslim citizens to a muslim country. How do you justify wanting to force muslims and non-muslims living together as one single nation? Where and when will this revolt of Christians in Europe happen? I want to know because I want to avoid travelling to what will become a warzone around the time the war will start. And I see you don’t disagree with what I said about NATO not interfering in case France or Britain having a civil war unless their respective governments ask for it.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 5:47 am

          Peggy posted:

          “So you happen to be a citizen of a NATO country.”

          Yes, I am. You are not. Heck I don’t even know what country you’re from – and I don’t care or want to, BTW – just that you show up on topics discussing events in Europe or Canada and talk about them as if they were happening in your country. “We must do this”, “we should do that”. “We” don’t have to do anything because there’s no “we” because you’re not a f***ing citizen of every Western country in existence. Or maybe you think you are – maybe you’re one of those “no borders” wackjobs.

          “Bravo, that means you know everything about NATO.”

          That’s not what I said, was it? Stop trying to distort my words.

          “Us “ignorant fools” who don’t live in a NATO country just can’t possibly know anything about it.”

          Again, that was not what I said. Stop trying to distort my words. Oh, and did I call you “ignorant fool”? Ignorant, sure, because you have proved to be, but fool? Nope.

          “Angemon, which country are you a citizen of?”

          Doesn’t matter to you, does it? And I’m not going to tell you because a) it adds nothing to the conversation, and b) I have both pro-Russia and muslim trolls taking pot shots at it, trying to insult me based on my nationality. If you really want t know go read my posts and use your noggin to make an educated guess from the languages I speak and the little nuggets I dropped.

          “Also, it seems that you might be just a citizen there but your ancestry is from somewhere else.”

          Ah, so you don’t even know where I’m from but suddenly you know what my ancestry is, eh? Pathetic. No, I’m from the local ethnic with ancestry going back to at least to the 14th century, which is where the paper record ends (apparently, 14th century records only applied to noblemen and not the plebs). I’m proud of my ancestry, and that much shows in my posts. I bet that’s why you decided to claim that my ancestry comes from elsewhere – nothing but a petty attempt to spite me. That’s just how “mature” and “level-headed” you are…

          “How and why NATO started is not how and why NATO is still around. The threat of Soviet Union has passed and NATO should be obsolete.”

          It should, if not for Putin’s Russia suddenly making it relevant again. Go ask former members of the Warsaw Pact who willingly joined NATO what they feel about it. And, of course, I have contended that NATO should be revamped and aimed at islamic terrorism. You, on the other hand, seem to be prefer that islamic terrorism goes unchecked, as well as leaving Eastern European countries open to Russian predation.

          “Let me see if I have this right.”

          I wouldn’t bet on that, seeing how you have been getting everything wrong so far.

          “You claim that the bombing of Serbia is justified”

          Liar. Stop ascribing me things I didn’t say.

          “and NATO entered the war after civil war started in Yugoslavia,>/i>”

          NATO certainly didn’t start the war in the Balkans. Do you disagree with that assertion?

          “So killing Christians in order to give a country to Muslims who have never had that country.”

          Your words, not mine.

          “Since you are so good at history tell me when was Bosnia ever Muslim or when was Kosovo ever Muslim or even a country.”

          Huh, Peggy? Here’s what you said:

          NATO under Clinton created two new Islamic countries in Europe, Bosnia and Kosovo.

          You wrote that Bosnia and Kosovo are two muslim countries. Why are you asking me to explain something you said? Heck, Bosnia is around 50% non-muslim.

          “If Muslims wanted a chunk of your country because they are a majority in that region would you say no worries, take it because we can’t force you to live with us?”

          They tried that. We drove them out. Why? Because they were foreign invaders.

          “You said.
          Kindly f*** off, you ignorant bint, and take your crazy conspiracy theories with you.”
          ”

          Yes, I said, and with good reason. Funny how you leave out key points, like your claim that my country would send troops to defend muslim in Europe. That, my dear, is a conspiracy theory. Plus, like I said, when it comes to insults, I’m, way, way, way behind you. If I were to keep insulting you several times per day for several weeks I might catch up with the number of times you insulted me.

          “You’re getting a lot better with your aggression now.”

          “Aggression”? Far from it. Even if that were the case, “aggression” is not an argument I brought forth, so it seems you’re trying desperately to go for personal attacks instead of addressing what I actually wrote.

          “If you don’t agree with me it would be helpful if you didn’t tell me to F off.”

          I can’t agree with someone who vomits blatant lies. You’re trying to rewrite history. My God, you claim that Clinton and Bush helped ISIS, even though ISIS showed up long after they left office. Are you so delusional that you think you can get away with such nonsense?

          “Sure ISIS didn’t exist at the time of Clinton or even before”

          Then why did you claim that Bill Clinton aided ISIS, or that George Bush aided ISIS? You lied, and you’re admitting to it here.

          “but Al-Qeida and other Islamist groups did and many became members of ISIS.”

          And many others did and didn’t join ISIS. Your point being?

          “So the US under Bush, Clinton, Obama supported and armed them and continued to do so under Hillary’s watch till now.”

          Nope. They can’t support and arm groups that don’t exist. Assad and Saddam, on the other hand, strengthened ISIS, directly and indirectly. Why are you not holding them to the same standard you hold the US to? Why are you not condemning Assad for granting amnesty to dangerous jihadis who ended up as high ranking members of islamic terror groups?

          “This is a well known fact so calling me a liar is showing your ignorance.”

          Peggy, I called you a liar because you claimed that Clinton and Bush aided ISIS. ISIS didn’t exist until long after they left office. You said so yourself. You can’t admit that something you wrote is false and call me ignorant for saying that what you wrote is false. But thanks for the insult.

          BTW, you didn’t answer any of my key questions. Let’s start with your double standards. You have defended that Western countries should “deport” their native muslim citizens to a muslim country. How do you justify wanting to force muslims and non-muslims living together as one single nation? Where and when will this revolt of Christians in Europe happen? I want to know because I want to avoid travelling to what will become a warzone around the time the war will start. And I see you don’t disagree with what I said about NATO not interfering in case France or Britain having a civil war unless their respective governments ask for it.

        • Cretius says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 10:01 am

          Wow!

  49. dragarzao says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    Europe needs America. America doesn’t need Europe. A single sentence like this one, would teach teh european elite that times are changing.

  50. Shariafarts says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    The EU plan of one world order is taking their last gasp. They’re terrified of Trump. That photo wasn’t a smile but a hysterical grimace. France and Germany are next to exit. They won’t make life easy for Trump but then I’ve incredible faith in his brain power. I only wish him safety.

  51. Eva says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    Video: “Jean-Claude Juncker drunk and bitch slaps leaders”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

  52. Dixonydix says

    Nov 14, 2016 at 2:56 am

    I’m sure, Mr Trump is gonna show the EU good-for-nothing politicians what a REAL leader is and must do for the good of his people.

  53. Louise M. says

    Nov 14, 2016 at 6:57 am

    ”What Europe is and HOW IT WORKS” ?’

    Isn’t it through a massive and uncontrolled non-White, mostly Muslim Immigration forced all over Europe ?

    Section C of the United Nations Genocide Conventions:
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group *** conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    *** national, ethnical, racial or religious group

    According to Wikipedia, ”Genocide is done usually by a group, such as a government, or military group, not by one person or a small number of people. Usually, the motivation for genocide is based on political reasons.”

  54. Celtic says

    Nov 15, 2016 at 4:32 am

    He is a disgrace. First of all, Europe and the European Union are not the same Thing. Juncker is a pathetic Clown and he should be removed at once.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 15, 2016 at 5:38 pm

      True, Celtic.

  55. Peggy says

    Nov 16, 2016 at 8:13 am

    Reply to Angemon.

    . “We” don’t have to do anything because there’s no “we” because you’re not a f***ing citizen of every Western country in existence. Or maybe you think you are – maybe you’re one of those “no borders” wackjobs.
    ——
    You accuse me of putting words in your mouth when you say that maybe I am one of those no borders wackjobs. I have been posting here long enough and saying often enough that I don’t approve of Muslim immigration. Shows how little you comprehend.
    =====
    Bravo, that means you know everything about NATO.”
    “That’s not what I said, was it? Stop trying to distort my words.”
    —-
    Then what did you mean when you said that you live in a NATO country and I don’t? What difference does that make?
    ===
    “Angemon, which country are you a citizen of?”

    “Doesn’t matter to you, does it? And I’m not going to tell you because a) it adds nothing to the conversation, and b) I have both pro-Russia and muslim trolls taking pot shots at it, trying to insult me based on my nationality.
    I’m proud of my ancestry, and that much shows in my posts.”
    ———–
    Why would pro-Russian people insult you based on your nationality? I have been posting here for a long time now and have never seen anyone insult you because of your nationality and have never seen you even tell which nationality you are but whichever that is it’s obviously one which has a lot of resentment for Russia. Say what you want but you attack anyone who doesn’t bag Russia. I only asked you because I want to understand why you have so much resentment for Russia. It equals Islam.
    —————————-

    You claim that the bombing of Serbia is justified”

    Liar. Stop ascribing me things I didn’t say.
    ==============
    Like I already said, you didn’t say it in so many words which you think is very clever but by justifying bombing of that country you as good as said it. Why don’t you just clear it up and say now if you agree with it or not. If not then why justify the bombing?
    ————————–
    “You said.
    Kindly f*** off, you ignorant bint, and take your crazy conspiracy theories with you.””
    Yes, I said, and with good reason. Funny how you leave out key points, like your claim that my country would send troops to defend muslim in Europe. That, my dear, is a conspiracy theory
    ——
    I don’t know which country is yours so I couldn’t have said that. What I said was that US under Clinton ordered bombing of Serbia to support Muslims. Now if your country was part of that then yes, your country would do it again if Hillary was in charge and they have done it.
    Why are you trying to change history? It happened.
    —–
    “If you don’t agree with me it would be helpful if you didn’t tell me to F off.”

    I can’t agree with someone who vomits blatant lies.
    ———-
    I am not asking you to agree with me. I am asking you to stop using vulgar language at me just because you disagree. Yes, you are aggressive. Swearing at me with vulgar language is aggressive. By all means disagree with me but do be less vulgar. Easy to tell you are someone who gets angry and abusive when someone doesn’t share your hatred for same people.
    What I said are not lies. It’s part of history. Russia was fighting the Taliban and Bush was supporting them. All these different Muslim groups are ISIS. Just because they didn’t have that name then they are the same people.
    ——————————–
    P.S.: Crude and offensive to your precious little feelings that telling you to f*** off may have been, it was blunt and upfront, not venomous. “Venom” would be the ill-feelings and malevolence you clearly feel towards me
    ===========
    See when you talk to me so nicely it’s no wonder I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when you talk to me.
    What I feel towards you is anger because you seem to have latched onto me for getting your aggression out.
    I keep telling you, you don’t have to agree with me and I am sure there are others here who also might not but nobody else is an a hole like you and uses that language when they talk to me or some others.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 16, 2016 at 9:52 am

      Peggy posted:

      “You accuse me of putting words in your mouth”

      Which you have.

      “when you say that maybe I am one of those no borders wackjobs. ”

      Huh, no. I said that maybe you were one of those no-borders wackjobs separately from when pointing out that you were trying to put words in my mouth. And what I said still stands: you’re not a citizen of every Western country in existence so stop talking about what “we” should do on Canada or what “we” should do in the US or what “we” should do in the UK. Because there is no “we”. I respect the American, Canadian, Briton, etc., culture, history and national sovereignty, hence why I say “Americans should do such and such”, “Canadians should do such and such”, “Westerners should do such and such”, etc.

      “I have been posting here long enough and saying often enough that I don’t approve of Muslim immigration. Shows how little you comprehend.”

      The lack of comprehension is clearly on your side. As well as the hypocrisy. First of all, you can shove that strawman from the stinky hole you pulled it out from. I wasn’t talking about muslim immigration, I was talking about you pretending to be from this or that Western country to suit the occasion – you certainly don’t seem to respect that America, Canada, the UK, etc., are countries with defined borders, seeing how you have no problems using the term “we” when opining about what each of them should do. Second, would you ban immigration from, let’s say, Kosovo, on the grounds it’s a muslim majority country? If Kosovo hadn’t seceded from Serbia how would you propose to ban muslims from going from Serbia to, for example, the US? You clearly fail to comprehend the strategic strategy of having the people you want to identify all round up in a corner in plain sight instead of spread around and being stealth.

      “Why would pro-Russian people insult you based on your nationality?”

      Because I point out that Putin is not the anti-muslim powerhouse they claim to be.

      “I have been posting here for a long time now and have never seen anyone insult you because of your nationality”

      Appeal to ignorance is a logical fallacy. Plus, you say that you ignore my posts – maybe you ignored their replies as well.

      “and have never seen you even tell which nationality you are”

      Which I haven’t. That didn’t stopped pro-Russia posters of trying to guess it and claim that this or that leader would do nothing against islam while Putin would. It also didn’t stop you from claiming that my ancestry was from elsewhere.

      BTW, why are you defending the people who are taking potshots at my nationality and trying to get me based on it?

      “but whichever that is it’s obviously one which has a lot of resentment for Russia.”

      Ah, so now nationality is a vehicle for resentment. As if a Russian born in my country would immediately have “a lot of resentment for Russia”. Got it. You have yet to see a criticism of Putin or Russia that you didn’t claim to be “hatred” or “resentment”.

      “Say what you want”

      I can do that because you’re not in charge of moderation of this site. You emailed the site staff to try to get posts you don’t like removed. You publicly pressured a site staff member to get me not to reply to your posts.

      “but you attack anyone who doesn’t bag Russia. ”

      What a mischaracterization of my stance. That’s an outright lie. But, as I have stated, you haven’t seen a criticism of Russia you didn’t claim to be “hatred” or “resentment”.

      “I only asked you because I want to understand why you have so much resentment for Russia. It equals Islam.”

      Nope. You are wrong. Criticizing Putin is NOT having resentment for Russia.

      “Like I already said, you didn’t say it in so many words”

      And you are as wrong now as when you said it the first time. It’s not that I said it on many words or few words, it’s that I didn’t say it at all.

      “which you think is very clever ”

      Great, now you’re a mind reader too.

      “but by justifying bombing of that country you as good as said it”

      “As good as said it”. According to you. First you claim that I didn’t say it in so much words, now you’re backing down and saying that what I said was “as good as said it”. I didn’t say what you are ascribing me so you need to go through a lot of mental and semantic gymnastics to defend your point.

      “ Why don’t you just clear it up and say now if you agree with it or not. If not then why justify the bombing?”

      And there it is, another loaded question, and one based on your mental and semantic gymnastics. You toss out those underhanded accusations and you have the gall to accuse me of “being spiteful and getting venom out on others”.

      “I don’t know which country is yours so I couldn’t have said that. ”

      Like I said, my country is a founding NATO

      • Peggy says

        Nov 16, 2016 at 5:38 pm

        “I can do that because you’re not in charge of moderation of this site. You emailed the site staff to try to get posts you don’t like removed. You publicly pressured a site staff member to get me not to reply to your posts.”
        ===========================

        And here you are, replying again and being obnoxious about it.
        How did I pressure anyone? Pointing something to moderators and them making a decision is not pressuring them. Did I threaten them somehow? Am I not allowed to lodge a complaint and besides I contacted the moderators about other people’s rude replies to me like Philip JIhadski. Are you Philip Johadski? I did not contact the moderator about your posts when Marc decided to step in. He and I were talking on this site which is different to me contacting him directly in private.

        You also mentioned that I was rude to Wellington. How? What exactly were my words to him and why are you bringing him up in this?
        Do you want to drag him into this and become a tag team with him against me?
        If you believe that I was rude to him then do post my exact words to him and let him come here and tell me how I offended him. I don’t have a problem with apologising to him if I have offended him but I do need to know what it was I said that you deem so offensive and I need to him to request an apology not you.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 6:43 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “And here you are, replying again and being obnoxious about it.
          How did I pressure anyone? Pointing something to moderators and them making a decision is not pressuring them. Did I threaten them somehow?
          ”

          Was that not clear? You could have contacted the site staff via email – don’t try to say you don’t know how because you have done so in the past – but you preferred to address a member of the site staff on the forums and tried to play the victim. “Oh, Angemon is acting such and such, can he do that? Shouldn’t he do what I want him to do?”. You *chose* to address him publicly instead of privately. That, lass, is a form of pressuring someone – what Hillary called “good, old fashioned public shaming”.

          “Am I not allowed to lodge a complaint and besides I contacted the moderators about other people’s rude replies to me like Philip JIhadski.”

          Ah, but that was not what you did. You made a sob story where you tried to portray yourself as the victim and insisted that somehow I was in the wrong for replying to your posts. I told you that what you were doing was simply trying to get special status and preferential treatment. And guess what? That was exactly what you were told. For all the alleged character flaws you like to ascribe me, my judgement was spot-on.

          “I did not contact the moderator about your posts when Marc decided to step in. He and I were talking on this site which is different to me contacting him directly in private.”

          That’s not what happened. You started a public conversation with him regarding me replying to your posts. You could have sent him an email inquiring about the situation and site rules, but you preferred to go to him in public and tell a sad story about how terrible I was for replying to your posts.

          “You also mentioned that I was rude to Wellington. How? What exactly were my words to him and why are you bringing him up in this?”

          I linked to a post where you did just that. You barged in on someone else’s convertaion to say:

          The fact that we are not discussing Russia here right now is of no concern to Wellington and Angemon. They WANT TO discuss Russia at every opportunity and keep bringing Russia in to all the discussions which mention USA’s good friends SA.
          As soon as there is a spotlight on US allies they divert the spotlight to Russia.
          Christianblood, I don’t agree with all you say but the attacks you get for your posts is shameful.
          These people say they believe in democracy and free speech and then team up and hit you with all they have for having your say.
          Not very civil.

          “Do you want to drag him into this and become a tag team with him against me?”

          No. Is that what you want? A “tag team” so you can play the victim twice as hard?

          “If you believe that I was rude to him then do post my exact words to him and let him come here and tell me how I offended him.”

          Huh, what? Please, remember what you wrote earlier:

          nobody else is an a hole like you and uses that language when they talk to me or some others.

          How about this instead: if you believe that I was rude to “some others” then do post my exact words to them and let them come here and tell me how much I offended them. Again, your double standards are showing. Not only that, you’re trying to drive the conversation away from the issue at hand and into personal attacks: you made several claims you have yet to substantiate. When and where is this revolt you mentioned going to take place? Still waiting to hear from you on that. Oh, that’s right – you cant prove anything you said, you were just fear-mongering. You were called out and you can’t have that, can you? You can’t have someone calling you out on your bulls***, so you start with the personal attacks. And personal they were, as well as desperate and pathetic, seeing how you even went after me on the basis of my ancestry.

          So, Peggy, when and where is the revolt taking place?

        • Angemon says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 7:09 pm

          “Was that not clear? You could have contacted the site staff via email – don’t try to say you don’t know how because you have done so in the past – but you preferred to address a member of the site staff on the forums and tried to play the victim. “Oh, Angemon is acting such and such, can he do that? Shouldn’t he do what I want him to do?”. You *chose* to address him publicly instead of privately. That, lass, is a form of pressuring someone – what Hillary called “good, old fashioned public shaming”.”

          To add to that, I’ll remind you how that was not the first time you tried to publicly pressure the site staff. When you contacted them via email to have them remove posts you did not like and they told you to grow up, you published their reply and added:

          You would think that moderators of this site would do something to stop the abuse coming from people like him but sadly I found out they don’t care and even ridicule you for pointing it out.
          I contacted the site via the link on the right hand side of any page and told them and even posted some of the abusive wording. It was not abuse from Mr Jihadski but from western canadian and the reply I got is really unsettling. Let me post the reply here now. It’s very short and very childish. If Robert Spencer has people like this working for him then his reputation is quickly going to go down.

          Here is the reply from them.

          To: Peggy Cc: marc @ JihadWatch

          I’m not a hall monitor and this isn’t 6th grade. Deal with it or don’t, but don’t come running to daddy for help. I ain’t him.
          ————————————
          This is the quality of Mr Spencer’s staff. I am truly

          Just tossing this here to prove that you have a history of trying to use public shaming tactics to try to get your way. Like I said, passive-aggressive bulls***.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 16, 2016 at 9:59 am

      Ack, accidentally posted before I was done. Moving on:

      Like I said, my country is a founding NATO member. Now, you clearly don’t know what NATO is or how it works, but NATO is NOT a country with a standing army. NATO members provide NATO’s military personnel. When you say that Christians in Europe are going to revolt (and you have yet to expand on this like, for example, telling the date and place this revolt will happen) and that NATO is going in to protect muslims in Europe, you are referring to my country’s military.

      “What I said was that US under Clinton ordered bombing of Serbia to support Muslims.”

      What you said was this:

      Christians are going to revolt against Islam and if Hillary won or Obama was in the office NATO would put a stop to that.

      When and where will this revolt take place? And why are you trying to frame NATO’s intervention in the Balkans as having religious significance? Half of Bosnia isn’t even muslim. Why are you implying they are? There were clearly other driving forces than religion alone.

      “Now if your country was part of that then yes, your country would do it again ”

      Your meltdown is hilarious. First you say that you could not have said that my country would send troops to protect muslims in Europe and now you’re saying that my country “would do it again”. Just how small is your attention span?

      “if Hillary was in charge and they have done it.”

      No, you presented it as being a fact. You claim that Christians are going to revolt and that NATO would have been sent in to protect muslims. When is this revolt going to take place? And where?

      “Why are you trying to change history?”

      Says the person who claimed that Bill Clinton and George Bush aided ISIS, even though ISIS was created long after they left office…

      “ It happened.”

      No, it didn’t. Again: when is this revolt of Christians you claim will happen take place? And where? Saying that something will happen and Hillary would act such and such if she were the POTUS is NOT the same as it actually happening.

      “I am not asking you to agree with me. I am asking you to stop using vulgar language at me just because you disagree. ”

      I used vulgar language at you to drive my point home. My point is that you are spewing lies and conspiracy theories, hence why I told you to f*** off and take your conspiracy theories with you. How about you grow a thicker skin instead of trying to dictate how I am allowed to express myself? Would would have found it palatable if I had used the proper scientific denomination instead?

      “Yes, you are aggressive. Swearing at me with vulgar language is aggressive.”

      Why do you support Trump then? Trump is very aggressive and used coarse language. By your own logic you shouldn’t be supporting him. And yet, you are. This shows that you’re simply trying to throw any venom you can at me. “Oh, you’re aggressive. You swear. But I’m all in favour of supporting that other guy who is aggressive and swears”. Hypocrisy much?

      “By all means disagree with me but do be less vulgar.”

      How about you stop trying to dictate the manner in which I’m allowed to express myself?

      “Easy to tell you are someone who gets angry and abusive when someone doesn’t share your hatred for same people.”

      More like, “easy to imagine and lie about”. I told you to f*** off because you were spewing nonsensical conspiracy theories. And again, what you are doing here is spiting venom in my general direction. You’re trying to portray me as someone who “gets angry and abusive” on the grounds of your imaginary “hatred for people”. That is clearly not the case, and I’d appreciate if you were to stop your passive-aggressive bulls***. I’m blunt and upfront. You? You prefer to spew lies about me and paint me in the most damaging way you can think because I disagree with you. “” Disagree with me but be less vulgar”? How about you disagree with me but don’t lie about me or my character? You are an utterly disgusting person, Peggy, going well out of your way to defame me and my character on numerous occasions while still trying to play yourself as the victim.

      “What I said are not lies.”

      They are. You have lied about me and what I said.

      “ It’s part of history. Russia was fighting the Taliban and Bush was supporting them. ”

      Didn’t Russia invade Afghanistan to defend their puppet who was murdering Afghanis by the tens of thousand? And isn’t Russia alliance with islamic terror groups dates back to the 50’s and 6’0s – i.e., decades before their invasion of Afghanistan? BTW, the Taliban are NOT ISIS. You claimed that Bush aided ISIS.

      “ All these different Muslim groups are ISIS. Just because they didn’t have that name then they are the same people.”

      No, they are not. The Taliban and ISIS hate one another. The Taliban are not ISIS. Saying that Bush aided ISIS because he allegedly supported the Taliban is a lie. And you know it, hence you you needed to go through all those mental gymnastics.

      “What I feel towards you is anger because you seem to have latched onto me for getting your aggression out.”

      And there it is, more of your usual spiting of venom and attempted character assassination.

      “I keep telling you, you don’t have to agree with me”

      And yet, you excoriate me for criticizing Putin. This is not a matter of “agreeing” or not. You spat out lies. I called you out on them.

      “and I am sure there are others here who also might not ”

      Like, for example, Wellington, whom you’ve went out of your way to disparage and attack as well.

      “but nobody else is an a hole like you”

      Ah, your hypocrisy flares up yet again. You go out of your way to excoriate me for telling you to f*** off, on the grounds of your conspiracy theories, and now you’re calling me a “a hole”, which is a language far more coarse and aggressive than telling you to f*** off. Double standards much? It’s had to play the victim when you act far worse than what I ever did.

      “and uses that language when they talk to me or some others.”

      Did I ever call you an “a hole”? Why the double standards? You expect to dictate the language I have to use while at the same time using language far more coarse? Pathetic. You can’t play the victim when you’re far worse than your alleged “aggressor”. I told you to f*** off because of your nonsensical conspiracy theories and what you said about my country, you called me an “a hole” because you “don’t like my language”. Hypocrite. Oh and I’m still waiting for you to answer the questions I’ve asked you three times before. You have defended that Western countries should “deport” their native muslim citizens to a muslim country. How do you justify wanting to force muslims and non-muslims living together as one single nation? Where and when will this revolt of Christians in Europe happen? I want to know because I want to avoid travelling to what will become a warzone around the time the war will start. And I see you don’t disagree with what I said about NATO not interfering in case France or Britain having a civil war unless their respective governments ask for it.

      Maybe you could use the energy you are using to slander, defame and insult me to address my points instead? I believe things would go smoother if you just did that.

      • Peggy says

        Nov 16, 2016 at 3:25 pm

        You are the real liar here. I never dictated to you. I asked you not to swear at me. Huge difference but it seems you can’t tell.
        ========================
        “When and where will this revolt take place? And why are you trying to frame NATO’s intervention in the Balkans as having religious significance? Half of Bosnia isn’t even muslim. Why are you implying they are? There were clearly other driving forces than religion alone.”
        ——–
        What were those driving forces?
        ====================

        “I keep telling you, you don’t have to agree with me”

        And yet, you excoriate me for criticizing Putin. This is not a matter of “agreeing” or not. You spat out lies. I called you out on them.
        ————————
        That is in your opinion. What I said are not lies and if you are going to call them lies then present opposing evidence. The point is that you get so upset when you have an opposing view or think you have the facts. You are no better than the Democrats who are rioting because they didn’t get their say or the final word. Learn to control yourself.
        =================

        Ah, your hypocrisy flares up yet again. You go out of your way to excoriate me for telling you to f*** off, on the grounds of your conspiracy theories, and now you’re calling me a “a hole”, which is a language far more coarse and aggressive than telling you to f*** off. Double standards much? It’s had to play the victim when you act far worse than what I ever did.

        “and uses that language when they talk to me or some others.”

        Did I ever call you an “a hole”? Why the double standards?
        ——————————–

        You have conducted yourself far worse than that and have called me other things. When you go on the offensive because yo don’t like what someone writes and tells people to F off what sort of a reaction do you expect from the other person?
        Your reply to my post was a question and I answered it without any ill feeling towards you. Yo didn’t like what I said and you started with personal attacks calling me all sorts of things and in the end telling me to F off.
        Now you behave like this and you expect decency back? I have been decent for many replies to you but you can’t help yourself. This does make you an a hole and it’s me playing victim. It’s how it is. I am not your victim and refuse to be but I will not let you get away with speaking to me like that.

        And BTW, you accuse me of saying something about YOUR country. I don’t even know which country is yours as I have clearly pointed out so how can I possibly direct that as some sort of provocation? If I knew which country you are in and then bagged that country then you have a point but I don’t.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 6:37 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “You are the real liar here. I never dictated to you. I asked you not to swear at me. Huge difference but it seems you can’t tell.”

          You are trying to dictate what I say or not. It should be clear that I’ll express myself as I very well wish to, while at the same time abiding by the rules of the site. That you keep insisting in dictating what I’m supposed to say or not simply shows that you have zero emotional maturity. You can’t control yourself so you’re trying to control what I say.

          “That is in your opinion.”

          No, it’s a matter of fact. I provided a link to one of your posts where you go out of your way to disparage me and Wellington because of where we stand on that subject. You have not met a criticism of Putin you haven’t labelled as “hatred” or “resentment. You are acting just like the MSM acted when calling Trump “racist” and “misogynist”.

          “What I said are not lies and if you are going to call them lies then present opposing evidence. ”

          Which I have. That you choose to ignore them and pretend I didn’t so you can pretend to have a case won’t change a thing.

          “The point is that you get so upset when you have an opposing view or think you have the facts.”

          And there it is your usual spewing of venom. You can’t win with facts so all you have left is the insinuation that I get “upset” because of opposing views when, in fact, it’s the other way around. You are trying to dictate what I say or not. If someone here is upset, it’s clearly you.

          “You are no better than the Democrats who are rioting because they didn’t get their say or the final word. Learn to control yourself.”

          And more venom – more blatantly false insinuations and attempted character assassination. Good grief, be careful not to bite your tongue!

          “You have conducted yourself far worse than that and have called me other things.”

          Nope. Stop trying to play the victim. You tried to act like as an offended virgin on the account of my “coarse language” only to call me an “a hole”. You can’t have your cake and eat it. Either you’re against coarse language and abstain from using it yourself or you use coarse language and don’t try to claim the moral high ground. You are no different, in nature, than the “No-Trumpers”, who excoriated Trump for not saying he’d accept the result of the elections only to riot after he won.

          “When you go on the offensive because yo don’t like what someone writes and tells people to F off what sort of a reaction do you expect from the other person?”

          And again trying to play the victim. You made a series of unsubstantiated claims – conspiracy theories that you have no way to prove. You made very offensive claims about my country and my military, so what kind of reaction did you expect to have???

          “Yo didn’t like what I said and you started with personal attacks calling me all sorts of things and in the end telling me to F off.”

          All lies. You started with the personal attacks. And you’ve been doing so for months now. You have a very deep ill-feeling towards me, one that I would not hesitate to call “hatred”.

          “Yo didn’t like what I said and you started with personal attacks calling me all sorts of things and in the end telling me to F off.”

          I expect people who try to claim the moral high ground to act accordingly. If you want to chastise others for using coarse language then don’t use coarse language yourself. You’re a hypocrite, and that’s the point I drove home – you bitch. moan and whine because I told you to f*** off after you blurted out insane ramblings and conspiracy theories only for you to call me an “a hole”. And here you are, trying to argue that I deserved it. That’s not how things work.

          “ I have been decent for many replies to you but you can’t help yourself.”

          No, you haven’t. You invariably end up saying that I “can’t control myself”. Venom, attempted character assassination, etc. Your mask fell many posts ago – stop trying to play the victim.

          “This does make you an a hole and it’s me playing victim. ”

          No, it doesn’t, and yes, you are.

          “I am not your victim”

          You are correct – you’re the aggressor, using passive-aggression to try to control what I say.

          “and refuse to be but I will not let you get away with speaking to me like that.”

          What you refuse is to let me get away with criticising Russia or Putin, or saying anything that counters the little narrative you’re trying to push. Look at where you’re trying to drive the conversation: away from your original inane ramblings and on to how much of a big meanie I allegedly am. I’ve asked you several times: you said that Christians in Europe are going to revolt, so when will this revolution take place? You can’t answer that, of course, so you need to go on the offence and attack me personally, whether because I’m “aggressive” or because I use “coarse language”. Everything goes, as long as you don’t have to substantiate or explain what you said.

          “And BTW, you accuse me of saying something about YOUR country.”

          I did. Your response was, and I quote:

          Now if your country was part of that then yes, your country would do it again

          “I don’t even know which country is yours as I have clearly pointed out so how can I possibly direct that as some sort of provocation?”

          That didn’t stop you from making claims about my ancestry, did it? Anyway, I’m going to quote what you replied – again:

          Now if your country was part of that then yes, your country would do it again

          “You country would do it again”. Are those not your words? Are you not saying that my country did “something”, “something” that we would do again?

          “ If I knew which country you are in and then bagged that country then you have a point but I don’t.”

          Nope. My point is made and proven. Again, your exact words were:

          Now if your country was part of that then yes, your country would do it again

          You are saying that my country did something and would do it again. Whether you refer to my country as “your country” or, let’s say “Italy”, doesn’t change a god damn thing. Or do you deny it? Do you deny that you wrote those words? Oh, and please stop the personal attacks and passive-aggressive bulls*** and answer the question: when and where will this revolt you mentioned take place?

  56. Peggy says

    Nov 16, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    “No, it’s a matter of fact. I provided a link to one of your posts where you go out of your way to disparage me and Wellington because of where we stand on that subject. You have not met a criticism of Putin you haven’t labelled as “hatred” or “resentment. You are acting just like the MSM acted when calling Trump “racist” and “misogynist”.
    ———————————-
    Stop diverting. I asked you to show me what I have said to Wellington which you find offensive. You keep saying I go out of my way to disparage Wellington but as yet you haven’t provided anything to back it up. Again, show me what I said to him or stop lying.
    I can take criticism of Putin without labelling it as hate speech but not from you because you have shown your resentment of him and Russia over and over and that is what motivates YOU. Other people have said negative things too but I haven’t labelled them the same.
    =============

    You are saying that my country did something and would do it again.

    I said IF your country took part in NATO bombing of Yugoslavia would do it again. I keep telling you I don’t know which is your country so I can’t say it took part. I can and have only said IF they took part in NATO bombing they would do it again.
    Twisting my words will not help you. Cheap tricks when you can’t present a valid comeback.
    ==================
    “ I have been decent for many replies to you but you can’t help yourself.”

    No, you haven’t. You invariably end up saying that I “can’t control myself”. Venom, attempted character assassination, etc. Your mask fell many posts ago – stop trying to play the victim.
    —————————–
    Go back to the very beginning of our discussion on this topic and see who started being rude and vulgar. You will see that it was you and you got an appropriate response in the end.
    Just because you disagree with something doesn’t give you the right to retaliate with F off.
    I have every right to put my point of view here without being told to F off.

    Learn some manners.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 17, 2016 at 4:38 am

      Peggy posted:

      “Stop diverting. I asked you to show me what I have said to Wellington which you find offensive. You keep saying I go out of my way to disparage Wellington but as yet you haven’t provided anything to back it up. Again, show me what I said to him or stop lying.”

      “Diverting”? “Lying?” That’s your shtick, not mine. I linked to the post I was referring to on my November 16, 2016 at 5:55 am post:

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/201/04/saudis-threaten-to-sell-us-assets-if-theyre-held-responsible-for-role-in-911#comment-1419413

      I quoted from it on my November 16, 2016 at 6:43 pm post:

      The fact that we are not discussing Russia here right now is of no concern to Wellington and Angemon. They WANT TO discuss Russia at every opportunity and keep bringing Russia in to all the discussions which mention USA’s good friends SA.
      As soon as there is a spotlight on US allies they divert the spotlight to Russia.
      Christianblood, I don’t agree with all you say but the attacks you get for your posts is shameful.
      These people say they believe in democracy and free speech and then team up and hit you with all they have for having your say.
      Not very civil.

      And you’re accusing me of “diverting” and “lying” when I did what you are now *demanding*? My God, you lost all sense of reality. Do you think you can simply lie and pretend you’re the victim?

      I backed what I said. The one tying and diverting here is *you*.

      “I can take criticism of Putin without labelling it as hate speech ”

      Huh, no, you can’t.

      “but not from you ”

      Or from Wellington, as the post I linked to twice and quoted from twice clearly shows.

      “because you have shown your resentment of him and Russia over and over and that is what motivates YOU. ”

      And there it is – my criticism of Putin is immediately labelled as “resentment”. If I were to say “you have no idea of what motivates me and you are so off the mark that it’s not even funny, just sad and pathetic, so f*** off” you’d whine about my alleged “coarse language”, so I’ll just say that you are acting like CAIR acts when they say that there is valid criticism of islam but people like Robert Spencer are hate-mongers.

      BTW, do you realize that you just exposed yourself? You admitted that you won’t take anything I say about Putin as criticism because you claim I’m motivated by resentment. Meaning that what I say could very well be accepted by you if it were said by someone else – you are simply refusing anything I say about Putin because of another factor, the alleged “resentment” you claim to drive me. How are you different of Sam Harris, who recently stated that he refused to talk to people like Robert Spencer because he might be a “racist” and things that for Harris would be valid criticism could mean something entirely different to them?

      “Other people have said negative things too but I haven’t labelled them the same.”

      Like the link I posted twice and quoted from twice, you have a problem with people who criticize Russia. You swooped in to whine about me and Wellington doing so. You’re a terrible liar.

      “I said IF your country took part in NATO bombing of Yugoslavia would do it again. ”

      And you didn’t need to know what country that is to say so, did you? BTW, is there any need to bomb a non-existing nation?

      “I keep telling you I don’t know which is your country so I can’t say it took part. ”

      That didn’t stop you from saying we would do it again, did it?

      “ I can and have only said IF they took part in NATO bombing they would do it again.”

      Which, again, you didn’t need to know what my country is to say, so saying that you couldn’t have done so because you don’t know what my country didn’t help you.

      “Go back to the very beginning of our discussion on this topic and see who started being rude and vulgar. ”

      It was you. As it as always been you on the numerous other occasions where you have abused me.

      “ You will see that it was you and you got an appropriate response in the end.”

      And this is your usual hypocrisy. You bitched, moaned and whined about my “coarse language” only to say something far worse than I did. If you were going to use coarse language then you should have done so from the get go, as you were itching to do. That is the part you adamantly refuse to acknowledge. You tried to act as if you had the moral high-ground, as if my “coarse language” was some sort of inexcusable sin, only to use even coarser language. You can’t have your cake and eat it – either you complain about my use of “coarse language” while not using it yourself or you use it and don’t complain about me using it. You, however, decided to complain about my “coarse language” only to use even coarser language and try to justify that it’s OK when you use it. That, lass, is textbook hypocrisy:

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

      : the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel

      “Just because you disagree with something doesn’t give you the right to retaliate with F off.”

      Ah, still trying to keep the train of lies running. I told you to f*** off because you made some insane claims that you have yet to back. When will this revolt you talked about take place? I’ve asked you this on numerous occasions on this topic, and you have yet to answer. How about this: you tell me when this revolt of yours will take place, and give evidence that Hillary would have NATO defend muslims and I apologize for telling you to f*** off AND promise never to reply to any of your posts. Deal?

      “I have every right to put my point of view here without being told to F off.”

      No, you don’t. There’s no law saying so. There’s nothing in that site rules saying so. If you’re going to go that path then I have every right to criticize Putin without retards coming in and saying that I’m driven by resentment, as well as every right to say whatever I want without having morons claiming that I’m spiteful and need to get my venom out on someone. See how that works? Well, how it *doesn’t* work – saying that you have “every right” to do such and such doesn’t mean you actually have the every right to do such and such, it just makes you look like a massive douche trying to escape the consequences of their actions. You have “every right” to post crazy conspiracy theories the same way as I have “every right” to tell people who post crazy conspiracy theories to f*** off. Is that clear enough for you, sunshine?

      This is exactly what I was talking about when I pointed out that you were playing the victim and trying to dictate what I can post or not. You’re a crybully.

      “Learn some manners.”

      Says the person who called someone else an “a hole”.

      Are you done insulting and defaming me? Got that venom out of your system? Took your meds? Good. Then would you please answer the question I asked you several times? When will the revolt you mentioned happen? What evidence do you have that NATO will intervene to defend muslims? I’ll remind you of what I said: answer those questions and not only will I apologize for telling you to f*** off, I will also promise never to reply to any of your posts. Deal?

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