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Hugh Fitzgerald: Geert Wilders, Or, A Daniel Come to Judgment “More In Sorrow”

Nov 6, 2016 6:19 pm By Hugh Fitzgerald

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In March 2014, during a political rally at The Hague, Geert Wilders asked his audience whether they wanted “more or fewer Moroccans” in The Netherlands. “Fewer, fewer,” his supporters chanted. And then he promised them that “then, we will arrange that.” He meant, of course, that if his party were to do well in the next election, he would limit the number of “Moroccans” entering the country. He did not denounce all “Moroccans.” He did not say he would be forcibly removing “Moroccans” from the country. All he did was utter less than a dozen words, lasting less than 30 seconds. There was no ranting, no mocking of Moroccans. But out of that briefest of exchanges with his supporters a hysterical case has been concocted by the Dutch state against Wilders, who is now on trial, put there by those who think that his question-and-answer constituted “racism” and “discrimination” and “hate speech.”

Where should we begin with this? Wilders has never made a comment on a race, though he is forever being accused of “racism.” “Moroccans” are not a “race,” and it is not “racist” for a Dutch citizen to worry aloud about the observable effect of their increasing presence in the Netherlands. Nor do Moroccans constitute an ethnicity; there are both ethnic Arabs and ethnic Berbers who are “Moroccans.” “Moroccan” signifies a national identity, albeit one that is inextricably linked to Islam. Wilders said nothing to whip up “hate” against “Moroccans.” He merely asked his audience whether, given their own experience with Moroccan immigrants, they wanted more or fewer such migrants in the Netherlands. For experience had shown that those “Moroccans” continue to make heavy demands on the generous Dutch welfare state, soaking up funds (for housing, medical care, education, unemployment benefits, etc.) that are then no longer available for needy Dutch people, and that the rates of criminality, and expensive incarceration, among “Moroccans,” have been many times larger than the rates among the native Dutch. As of 2011, 65% of all Moroccan males between 12-23 years of age have been detained by the Dutch police at least once. One third of this group has been detained five or more times. Moroccan criminals are convicted at  four times the rate of Dutch suspects. These numbers were steadily increasing when reported on in 2011, and it is reasonable to conclude they have continued to rise since then, though no more recent reckoning has been made public. It may be that the Dutch government doesn’t want figures to get out that would alarm the populace still further. And European officials, including the police, often discourage the reporting of crimes by Muslim migrants.

Wilders did not discuss in detail the high rate of Moroccan criminality. But he knows, and his Dutch supporters know, and for that matter even those putting Wilders on trial know, that it has to do not with their being Moroccans, but with their being Muslims. First, as Muslims, they are inculcated with contempt and hatred for non-Muslims. It is not just that Infidels are described in the Qur’an as the “vilest of creatures” (98:6) while Muslims are the “best of peoples” (3:110), but that throughout the Qur’an and the Hadith, one finds these same judgments endlessly repeated, dilated upon, amplified. Shouldn’t the best of peoples be allowed to take the property of the vilest of creatures?

Second, in an Islamic society, Muslims will spare the lives of non-Muslims (if they are People of the Book, Christians and Jews) and allow them to practice their religion in return for payment of the Jizyah, or capitation tax. But in Europe today, which is not yet ruled by Muslims, taking property from non-Muslims can also be understood, and justified, by Muslims, as a proleptic helping themselves to the Jizyah even before Muslim rule is established, and the Jizyah formally exacted.

Third, because Allah can and does interfere at will with human destinies, distributing or withholding bounty as he wishes, there is not much point in striving to succeed; instead, Muslims exhibit what is known as inshallah-fatalism.

Fourth, another aspect of Islam that acts as a brake on economic achievement is the distrust of bida, or innovation, which in its narrowest interpretation means “innovation in religious matters,” but is applied more generally to new ways of doing things, and new ways are Islamically doubtful. Just think of how often the word “innovative” is used as a positive epithet in the West, while in the lands of Islam, whatever is “innovative” is regarded with deep suspicion. The economic performance of Muslim migrants is not impressive, when compared both with that of the indigenous peoples and with that of non-Muslim immigrants in Europe. The unemployment rate for Muslims is much higher than for non-Muslims. Inshallah-fatalism and hatred of bida have their effect. Why work hard when Allah decides who gets what? Why work at all when the property of the Infidels is there for the taking? Higher rates of Muslim unemployment have two consequences: first, more money from the Dutch government goes to welfare benefits for Muslims; second, more unemployed Muslims leads to more property crimes committed by Muslims.

Finally, it is not just crimes of property, but sexual crimes by Muslims that worry those who answered Geert Wilders with the chant “fewer, fewer” (Moroccans). Muhammad himself took sex slaves from three different tribes, and Muhammad was the Perfect Man and Model of Conduct for all time. Muslim sexual assaults on non-Musliim women – a steady and growing feature of life in Europe today, especially in Germany and the Scandinavian countries – can be Islamically justified by the belief that these women, by dress and demeanor, are “asking for it.” And since Muhammad took Infidel women for his sexual pleasure, why shouldn’t Muslims today follow his example? Hence we have in many parts of Europe what has been called, and not by Geert Wilders, the “Muslim rape epidemic.”

To appreciate the magnitude of this problem, think of Sweden, where Muslims now make up 2 percent of the population, but 77 percent of those convicted of rape.

The trial of Wilders has begun, but right now it’s Hamlet without the Prince. Geert Wilders has decided to boycott the proceedings. He doesn’t want to dignify what he regards as a farce. Farce it certainly is, but there’s reason to think he’s chosen the wrong strategy and is missing an opportunity to educate the Dutch public. I think he should now announce that he will show up, will defend himself, will bring to the attention of the court and to the larger Dutch public what prompted him to openly worry about the numbers of “Moroccans” in the Netherlands. He should take the occasion to hold up for inspection and discussion every one of the prosecution’s points. He should insist that “Moroccans” are neither a race nor an ethnicity. He should explain that yes, of course Islam has something to do with his wanting to limit the number of “Moroccans” in the Netherlands, for it is Islam, he should insist, that explains their hostile attitudes and behavior toward the Dutch Infidels, their inability to integrate into Dutch society, their high rates of both unemployment and, especially, criminality. He should, in the courtroom, read out, from the Qur’an, both the “best of peoples” (98:6) and the “vilest of creatures” (3:110) passages, and repeat them, and others that reinforce the same message, all the while dispassionately explaining that given that kind of inculcation, what else can one expect of the “Moroccans” who want to be “good Muslims.” He should explain that Muslims may see their property crimes as akin to the sanctioned Jizyah, which he should define as “a capitation tax which non-Muslims in an Islamic state are required to pay to stay alive.” He might even take the occasion to define the word “dhimmi” and to describe the host of disabilities, aside from the Jizyah, that non-Muslims must endure. The aim will be to ensure that these words, “Jizyah” and “Dhimmi,” and what they mean, are forced into the Dutch public consciousness.

Geert Wilders should take the tack not so much of being angry with these Muslim Moroccans, but rather, of someone offering an understanding analysis of what makes Muslims – who are mainly “Moroccans” in the Netherlands – behave as they do in the countries of Western Europe. Wilders should remind the court that whether it is mainly Pakistanis in the U.K. (with their girl-grooming gangs), North African Arabs in France, Turks in Germany, Afghans and Arabs in Sweden, the problems with these different populations of Muslims turn out to be the same everywhere, including the inculcated hostility toward their Infidel hosts which prevents integration by Muslims, no matter from where they may have come, nor where in Europe they may end up.

And Wilders can present another narrative in the courtroom. The attitude to assume toward the “Moroccans” should be one of “they can’t help it because they are merely taking the Qur’an and Hadith to heart” and “it’s unrealistic to expect that they will change, the hold of Islam is too strong over the minds of its adherents.” This unexpected air of sweet reasonableness, of explaining “Moroccan” behavior as something they cannot control, will unnerve his critics, not least because what Wilders says is true. Can those critics ignore or deny the Qur’anic passages or Hadith stories he quotes? Can they deny the statistics he adduces on Muslim criminality, and the comparison he can make with that of non-Muslim immigrants and indigenes, all over Europe?

At the same time, Wilders should keep the attention both of the court and of the journalists covering his trial, on the long-suffering Dutch people who have for too many years endured both the spectacular rise in crime by Muslims and the burden placed on them for the government benefits lavished upon an ever-increasing Muslim population. Wilders ought to turn on his accusers and put them on trial instead; he ought to hold up for critical inspection those who have tried to silence him by continuing to label him, without the slightest evidence, as “racist” and “right-wing,” he should wonder aloud at the willful ignorance, confusion, and hypertrophied fear-of-being-perceived as “right-wing” or “racist” of the political and media elites who claim to be able to protect and instruct the Dutch people, but have avoided coming to grips with the essence of Islam. Instead,they have tried to silence those who, like Geert Wilders, have been willing to take on the ideology of Islam. The baleful consequences of this are to be seen everywhere in Europe, where people who are rightly anxious about Islam feel abandoned by their own governments.

No matter how many times the press affixes the epithet “far-right” both to Wilders and to his party, the PVV – just try to find any story about him that does not include the “far-right” or “racist” label –there is nothing particularly “far-right” about wanting to lessen the number of likely criminals in the Netherlands. The high rate of Muslim criminality is not a figment of a “right-wing” imagination, but a fact confirmed by the police statistics everywhere in Europe.

Wilders should paint a full picture of Muslims in the Netherlands, not to denounce, but to help his fellow citizens, including those determined to punish him, to understand why Muslims behave as they do. He should explain how their inshallah-fatalism and suspicion of bida contributes to their economic underperformance and high unemployment. He should explain what it is in the Qur’an and Hadith that makes Muslims think that they are entitled to help themselves to the property (and, in some cases, the women) of the Infidels, as a kind of informal Jizyah, and what explains the Muslim indifference to the man-made laws of the Infidels, for the only laws that count are those that come from the Qur’an and Hadith. The trial of Wilders should be turned into a public lesson in the ideology of Islam, and its practitioners depicted, truthfully, as unable to behave otherwise than they do.

Above all, Geert Wilders should present, with outward sober mien, a “more-in-sorrow” case against the “Moroccans.” Perhaps he should begin his peroration thus: “It is not their fault that their faith inculcates the attitudes it does, or makes it so difficult and dangerous for anyone born into the faith to question aspects of it, much less try to leave the faith altogether. It’s not their fault” – Wilders should continue – “if the Qur’an and Hadith instill certain attitudes in Muslims, the same attitudes that those texts have instilled over 1400 years and that explain Muslim conquests over such wide areas, and the subjugation of so many different non-Muslims, to Muslim rule. It is madness,” Geert Wilders should quietly tell the court, “to believe that somehow all of that history, and those immutable texts, can be ignored.” And Wilders could even say “I feel sorry for those born into, and trapped in, this faith that will not let them out and that teaches them to be the enemies of all non-Muslims, that is most of mankind. I feel sorry that the habit of mental submission that is instilled in them keeps them slaves to Islam. But I feel even sorrier for my own countrymen, who are made to suffer the depredations of Muslim migrants – mostly, at this point, Moroccans – who have come to live among us, but are not here to make things better for our country, but only better for themselves, by any and all means allowed by their beliefs. Yes, I do not apologize for the fact that I am more sorry for those Dutch who now have to worry about burglaries and muggings and sexual assaults and No-Go Areas in their own country.”

And then, with this new and improved version of Geert Wilders, this “More In Sorrow” courtroom version, Geert Wilders will signal his readiness for that electoral closeup next March. A closeup which, for the Dutch who can still think straight, can’t come soon enough.

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Comments

  1. Angemon says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    Great article.

  2. Annie Oakley says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    I hope you have a way of speaking directly to him so you can convince him to do as you suggest.

    • Ernie says

      Nov 6, 2016 at 6:51 pm

      That would be great Annie !

    • Custos Custodum says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 12:37 am

      No need. Anyone who is anyone reads JW.

    • LB says

      Nov 8, 2016 at 5:29 am

      If I’m not mistaken, Greet Wilders appeared on the Glazov Gang a couple of times (at least once for sure that I know of). So he should have no problem getting in touch with Robert as I’m sure he (Greet) knows who Robert Spencer is and what he specializes in.

  3. David says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    I read some time back that, in England, a member of parliament was arrested for reading aloud some quotes of Sir Winston Churchill
    But never heard how that “Case” turned out. Is there someone here who knows?

    • Ian H says

      Nov 6, 2016 at 8:58 pm

      http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/06/charges-against-paul-weston-dropped/

      • tom parry says

        Nov 7, 2016 at 5:02 pm

        Charges Against Liberty GB’s Leader Paul Weston Are Dropped
        by Enza Ferreri

        Paul Weston, candidate at the 22 May European Elections in the South East constituency and leader of the Liberty GB party, who was arrested in Winchester, Hampshire, on the 26 April, has had the charges against him dropped.

        Mr Weston was arrested for publicly quoting an excerpt critical of Islam from the book The River War by Winston Churchill. After spending several hours in a cell at Winchester Police Station, he was charged with Racially Aggravated Crime, under Section 4 of the Public Order Act, which carries a potential prison sentence of two years. He was then bailed with a return date to Winchester Police on May 24th.

        His arrest sparked a national and international outcry in the media and in the political world.

        16 million viewers watched Fox News’ panellists on “The Five” political talk show as they discussed the Paul Weston case. They remarked that in the UK a radical imam has more respect than a man who saved the Western world, and that “now Churchill is seen as another dead white male, and probably racist”.

        Online, major websites such as FrontPage Magazine, Jihad Watch, Gates of Vienna and Vlad Tepes reported the news.

        In the Dutch Parliament, MPs Geert Wilders and Raymond de Roon asked the Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs, Frans Timmermans, a number of questions, such as “Do you share our opinion that the arrest of the politician Paul Weston is a gross violation of freedom of expression and an example of dhimmi [historically, subservient to Muslim rulers] behaviour? If not, why not?” and “How do you intend to wage the fight for the preservation of freedom of expression, in light of the planned rapprochement to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, an organization which aims for an international ban on blasphemy and which attempts to restrict freedom of expression in the West under the pretext of the fight against ‘Islamophobia’?”.

        Hampshire Police has now communicated to Mr Weston:

        “You were bailed on 26th April 2014, under the provision of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 in connection with an allegation of a breach of a S27 dispersal notice and a Racial/Religious Aggravated Section 4 Public Order Offence. Police enquiries have now been completed and after careful consideration of all the circumstances, it has been decided that no further police action will be taken. However, if further significant evidence becomes available at a later date, the decision may be reconsidered and the advice of the THANS FOR THE LINK
        FOR THOSE WHO WISH HERE IT IS. Chamberlin we needyou here in the usa more than ever- your mother was American

        Crown Prosecution Service sought.”

        Enza Ferreri is an Italian-born London writer and the Press Officer for Liberty GB. She blogs at http://www.enzaferreri.blogspot.co.uk. For her previous articles and translations, see the Enza Ferreri Archives.

        This entry was posted in Civil Liberties, Counterjihad, Legal action, News, PC/MC, Politics, UK by Baron Bodissey. Bookmark the permalink.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 6, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      Yes–grotesquely, this was true. Ian H has the article, above.

      The story was also covered here at Jihad Watch:

      “UK: Churchill quotation gets Liberty GB leader Paul Weston arrested”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/uk-churchill-quotation-gets-liberty-gb-leader-paul-weston-arrested

      “UK: Liberty GB’s Paul Weston, arrested for quoting Churchill, could face two years in jail”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/uk-liberty-gbs-paul-weston-arrested-for-quoting-churchill-could-face-two-years-in-jail

      The charges were dropped, but it is ridiculous that he was arrested in the first place. And what if it had been someone less politically savvy? He might, indeed, have wound up in prison.

  4. Carl says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    “best of peoples” (98:6) and the “vilest of creatures” (3:110) passages

    The verse numbers were reversed.

    • eduardo odraude says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 3:48 pm

      Notice what vilest of creatures means: lower than cockroaches.

  5. Cretius says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    Sad but true. When I lived in the Netherlands you could spot a Moroccan family a mile away. First the patriarch dressed like a Moroccan peasant followed by his women in niquabs walking well behind. Muslims are forbidden to make accommodation or to assimilate in non-Muslim societies.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 4:20 am

      “If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”,
      Mustafa Carroll,
      Dallas CAIR Director,

    • Yorkshire Kufir says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 6:34 am

      Might be because non-muslims find them ignorant and boring

  6. Cretius says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    “phobia, n. an abnormal or morbid fear or aversion.” Concise Oxford Dictionary

    Quoting from Islamic religious texts, quoting Imams and reporting acts of violence committed by Muslims in the name of their religion is not an abnormal act. It is in fact educational about the realities of Islam and it’s impact on Western civilisation.

    ‘Islamophobia’ is the fabricated term used to try and shut down valid and factual comment on Islam and it’s effect on Western civilisation. The term is in fact an ‘intellectual fraud’ and therefore is a misleading lie.

    Islam is not a race so you cannot in fact be a racist when discussing Islam.

    “bigot, n. an obstinate and intolerant believer in a religion, political theory etc”, COD (Islam on both counts!)

    So much for those using false definitions to suppress free speech and fair commentary.

  7. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    A request for information: How much news coverage of this trial is there in the Netherlands? Can one follow the proceedings live on TV (or online)? On what schedule is the trial being held? 9 am to 5 pm, Monday through Friday? Is the full transcript of the trial being published every day in newspapers or online? And how much public interest is there in this trial?

    • eduardo odraude says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 4:01 pm

      Good questions. One would think a great deal of interest in the trial, because Wilders is the leader of pretty large party at this point, isn’t he?

  8. Islam the religion of killers says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    Geert Wilders will be able to translate the Koran for the people and the media, most when offered a verse to read or Google take one look at it and proclaim it’s gobble de gook,
    A lot of people don’t understand what is actually in the script because they don’t understand how to interpret the convoluted way it is written,

    This is a fantastic opportunity to educate people on the reality of why this is happening, what’s driving this unfortunate religion Islam and these unfortunate people..

  9. davej says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    Excellent advice to Mr Wilders. That he must speak out against the pitiable subjects of Islam and question the resulting criminality is indeed a great sorrow.

    BTW, where are the Geert Wilders of the UK and America?

    Who is asking us if we want more or fewer Muslim refugees?

    Instead we are being told it is our duty to expand the numbers by 500% (Hillary).

    • Ian H says

      Nov 6, 2016 at 10:05 pm

      Who is asking us if we want more or fewer Muslim refugees?

      Didn’t somebody called Trump once say something like that. Whatever happened to that guy.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 6, 2016 at 10:22 pm

        Heh.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 6, 2016 at 10:31 pm

        I do wish Trump were of the caliber of Geert Wilders, though.

        • linnte says

          Nov 6, 2016 at 11:10 pm

          Absolutely my wish too Graven! It would be a landslide into the Capital! The Dutch don’t seem to see the intelligence of this man. They are lucky to have him.

  10. linnte says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    I wish you could email this to Geert! Send it to him and let him know we ALL want him to win!

  11. gravenimage says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Hugh Fitzgerald: Geert Wilders, Or, A Daniel Come to Judgment “More In Sorrow”
    ……………………

    Fine article from Hugh Fitzgerald.

  12. Mark A says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 2:38 am

    Great article.

    Robert Spencer, is there a Geert Wilders defense fund JW readers can contribute to?

  13. Mark A says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 2:40 am

    Robert Spencer, can you pass on these expressions to support to Geert Wilders?

    I’m sure JW readers would like to let him know that we support what he is doing and admire him for doing it.

  14. quota raven says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 3:06 am

    Hugh Fitzgerald – This is a terrific article, and your suggested re-make of Geert, wonderful as he is, is exactly right and right on. I’ve shared your article with as many people as I could think of. Thank you.

    Cheers!

    quota raven

  15. Michael Copeland says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 5:04 am

    “Muslims think that they are entitled to help themselves”.
    Indeed: that is what they are instructed.
    “We are Somali Muslims, we don’t have to pay.”
    http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/11/06/germany-we-are-somali-muslims-we-dont-have-to-pay/

  16. Jan D'haene says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 5:20 am

    Good advice from H. Fitzgerald, but one of the Dutch judges has openly been speaking against him and his PVV party. He and his lawyer could not get her replaced for an unbiased judge. So that it looks like a forlorn conclusion. All the other parties in parliament are against him and so are 70% of the Dutch who are not able to see the big elephant in the room and regard him as dictatorial .In a way it is somewhat similar to Donald Trump in that even mentioning his name or show support for him leads to being ostracized in many venues or communities.

    • quota raven says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 5:27 am

      To Jan D’Haeme – Always good to hear from someone with “boots on the ground” – a local report of what the media ignores or hides. Thank you, and I hope we will be hearing more from you. Your words have the ring of truth and authenticity.

      Cheers!

      quota raven

  17. Theo Prinse says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 5:25 am

    Tnx mr Fitzgerald for this article. I am from the Netherlands and support mr Wilders Freedom Party since 2006. Mr. Wilders was austed from the current governing party by the then leader and resigning current mayor of the Hague Jozias van Aartsen, son of a former minister and part of the Dutch ruling elite.
    Mayor van Aartsen allowed ISIS to demonstrate in the Hague with their flags in 2014 in the Schilderswijk (Paintersuburb and islamic no go zone)
    The Netherlands has, until today, hundreds ISIS jihadis.
    The current Kangaroo court or political show proces against mr. Wilders, the Freedom Party and millions of Dutch voters is the second. The first trial was in 2011 and started in 2008. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Geert_Wilders
    Mr. Wilders laywer Bram Moszkowicz in the first process asked two recusal request of the biased judge Jan Moors (John Moroccan). Then Judge Frans Bauduin (Francis Bedouin – member of Dutch old elite) who ruled acqquittal in the first recusal was member of the Dutch Moroccan fund.
    In the current second Kangaroo court instigated and driven by the current ruling party of prime minister Rutte, Jozias van Aartsen and his fmr justice minister Ivo Opstelten … their chairman of the College of Procureurs-Generaal Herman Bolhaar is also member of the Moroccan fund. https://www.om.nl/organisatie/procureurs-generaal/mr-bolhaar/

    • quota raven says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 5:33 am

      To Theo Prinse – I’d like to extend my appreciation and encouragement to you as well, Theo Prinse. See my response to Jan D’Haeme above. And thank you both for providing these (rather depressing) insights. Come back!

      Cheers!

      quota raven

      • Theo Prinse says

        Nov 7, 2016 at 5:56 am

        Thank you quota raven

    • linnte says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 8:56 am

      Then the cards are stacked against him! This is very depressing. Geert only speaks the truth. When will this nightmare for him be over? Prayers for Geert Wilders.

  18. Red Bee says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 7:54 am

    Hugh Fitzgerald: ” He meant, of course, that if his party were to do well in the next election, he would limit the number of “Moroccans” entering the country. ”
    Wilders is very capable of saying what he means and he did not say that.
    Hugh Fitzgerald: ” He did not say he would be forcibly removing “Moroccans” from the country.”
    Wilders wants to take away Dutch citizenship from criminals who have a second pasport as Maroccans do. He said so many times in the Dutch parliament. It’s on youtube for all to see. This, however, is not what the trial is about.

    Wilders is NOT accused of “hate speech” for saying that the massive influx of immigrants from Morocco (from which most of the Muslim migrants in the Netherlands come) has to be stopped.

    Being a Dutchman myself I follow this case very closely. The indictment is: incitement to hatred, incitement to discrimination and defamation.

    Wilders was not referring to immigrants but to a segment of the Dutch population (people with Maroccan ancesters). These people are Dutch citizans, as are Friesians, Surinamese, Moluccans, Jews and what have you.

    Why he did that is unclear to me, but then I am not a politician. In my opinion the first trial against Geert Wilders was a political trial and an absolute disgrace. This time however things are different. What if one replaces “Maroccans” with “Friesians”? (Friesians are the indiginant inhabitants of the Dutch province Friesland; They have their own language and an outspoken cultural identity). What if an imam asks his followers “Do you want more or fewer Christian pigs in this town and in the Netherlands?” and follows up with “Well, we’ll arrange that, then.”?

    It is a fact that “Moroccans”, unlike Friesians are overrepresented in the crime statistics and in prisons but this is a Dutch problem that can not be solved by stopping immigration. These people are here and have every right to stay if they want like any other Dutch citizen.

    It is very unfortunate a number of free speech advocates confuse Wilder’s immigrant policies with his domestic policies. I consider this very unfortunate because this adds to the general fog and confusion the electorate has to cope with in the debate about Islam. In this case these free speech advocates demonstrable misrepresent what is going on and provide the opposition with free ammunition to brand them as bigots, paranoids, islamophobes and so on.

    • quota raven says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 8:29 am

      To Red Bee – Thank you for this clarification of the trials of Geert W. and the people he is speaking about. There is indeed a difference between Dutch nationals and migrants, and they cannot be dealt with in the same way. We in America are experiencing an unprecedented influx of illegal aliens, and there are countless unvetted Muslims of unknown background amongst these millions flooding across our non-existent borders, with the blessing of our politicians and, I would say, clearly against the will of the vast majority of US citizens who could be considered even minimally informed.

      These important details notwithstanding, I still think Hugh Fitzgerald’s scenario where Geert might take advantage of his appearance before a judge (even one hostile to his cause) to enlighten people not only in the Nederlands, but all over Europe, as to what, exactly, is demanded in the Qur’an of Muslims. Do you not agree, Red, that this would be a significantly effective forum for such an attempt at elucidation?

      Cheers!

      quota raven

      • Red Bee says

        Nov 7, 2016 at 1:45 pm

        It would be a very effective forum if Wilders is allowed to use it. I am not a lawyer but as I understand it this is about European law. If Wilders is convicted he will certainly go to the European level; maybe he wants to keep his gunpowder dry (don’t know if this is an English expression as well but you understand what i mean).

        Europe will have big problems with Islam if we do not counter it soon. We haven’t lost yet but if people do not wake up we will reach a point of no return very soon. That’s why i made my website (click my name). I am working on the problem of how to reach the intended audience: the people who have no clue what is going on.

        Amerika is at risk too but has a little more time to come to her senses.

        Anyway, Cheers! as you say to you too

        &

        greetings from the Netherlands

        • quota raven says

          Nov 7, 2016 at 6:16 pm

          To Red Bee – ” I am working on the problem of how to reach the intended audience: the people who have no clue what is going on.:

          Sounds like a plan!))) Good luck, and keep up the good work. I’ll visit your website.

          Cheers!

          quota raven

    • Cretius says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 11:39 am

      The bottom line is that Islam does not allow accommodation or assimilation with non-Muslim cultures and religions. Muslims are duty bound to spread Islam. One needs to study the bloody and aggressive 1,400 year history of Islam and heed the words of their imams, Qu’aran, Sira and Hidith. Western leaders are foolhardy in not recognising the current Muslim invasion of the West and in not confronting it before it results in widespread bloodshed. History has taught us that aggressive Islam can only be rolled back by military action. Muslims are taught that ALL non-Muslim property including your person, is war booty to be claimed by Muslims. This is why there is a rape culture now in Europe and why Muslims are prominent in crime figures.

      Muslims are encouraged to practice deceit when dealing with non-believers.
      http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch16_understanding_dishonesty.htm

      Muslims are encouraged to practice deceit when dealing with non-believers.
      http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch16_understanding_dishonesty.htm

      This is a MUST READ!

    • eduardo odraude says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 4:17 pm

      Red Bee, how do you know Wilders’ recent statement (arrange for fewer Moroccans in the Netherlands) was referring to Moroccan citizens of Holland — he does not use the word “citizens.” It would seem to be more consistent with his past positions that he did not mean Dutch citizens (except for criminals). What is your evidence that his statement referred to citizens — in speaking of fewer Moroccans, that could easily refer to reduced immigration. Yes, his enemies might interpret him as referring to citizens, but what is your proof, where was he explicit about wanted to kick out non-criminal Dutch Moroccan citizens?

  19. John Magne Trane says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 8:53 am

    “that the rates of criminality, and expensive incarceration, among “Moroccans,” have been many times larger than the rates among the native Dutch”

    What is important to remember, is that all the crimes committed by such immigrant groups, is EXTRA crime. And if the victims of the crimes are predominantly the natives of the country they came to, it is nothing but racism and bigotry to continue to flood a country with people not just alien, but enmious to the locals.

    A Dutch girl gang raped by Moroccans, wouldn’t have been gang raped, if the Moroccans were forced to stay in their own country. And all the NGOs and corrupt politicians who enrich themselves on the mass immigration are complicit in all the crimes the racists they invite to their county, commit.

    • linnte says

      Nov 7, 2016 at 5:13 pm

      I agree! The people we are importing are RACIST themselves. Islam is racist. And Muslims sling the most vile words at non Muslims ever.

  20. jewdog says

    Nov 7, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    Nice, but I have a slight quibble: I would not try to have Wilders convey pity towards those Muslims who take Islamic fascism to heart, but contempt. People should be held to account for what they believe and do. I’m tired of hearing excuses that perpetrators of heinous deeds are just victims of circumstance. That nonsense is one objectionable result of Marxist claptrap coming out of our institutions if higher indoctrination.
    Wilders should tell it like it is, and not pull punches.

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