The fact that the Islamic State kills other Muslims is often proffered by Barack Obama and others as a sign that it is itself not Muslim. In reality, the fact that the Islamic State kills other Muslims is a sign that it considers itself the arbiter of what is true Islam and what isn’t, and considers itself to have the authority and right to execute Muslims whom it considers to be heretics and apostates.
“ISIS’ Egypt branch executes 100-year-old cleric,” Al Arabiya, November 19, 2016:
Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis – ISIS-affiliated extremist group in Egypt – has released images purporting to show the execution of a 100-year-old man.
The group, who rebranded as ISIS-Sinai when they pledged allegiance to the extremist group holding swathes of Iraq and Syria, killed Sheikh Sulaiman Abu Haraz after kidnapping him earlier.
Abu Haraz, considered one of the symbolic Sufi clerics and elders of the Sinai Peninsula, was taken by the group from in front of his house in Arish city under gun point.
ISIS-Sinai accused the elderly sheikh of “practicing witchcraft”.

Cretius says
Muslims are their own worst enemies. They even kill each other! No one has to lie about Islam. Simply bear witness to the intolerance, bigotry and hatred spread by imams online. Muslims demand respect and rights that they deny to everyone else. This makes them unsuitable immigrants/refugees to modern western democracies.
t. says
” Muslims demand respect and rights that they deny to everyone else. This makes them unsuitable immigrants/refugees to modern western democracies.”
Right on, Cretius!
vbn says
How to defeat islam – A solution
With regard to religious freedom, the first amendment of the american constitution currently states –
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Proposed amendment to counter islam –
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, insofar as the religion in question does not exhort believers to act in such way as to be in violation of the laws of the nation.
This is it. This is all that is required to overcome the islamic threat.
Islam encourages criminal acts every day, every month, every year, in every mosque, by every imam, on every corner of earth.
Christianity does not promote criminal acts in churches.
Judaism does not promote criminal acts in synagogues.
Hinduism does not promote criminal acts in temples.
Sikhism does not promote criminal acts in gurdwaras.
Buddhism does not promote criminal acts in monasteries.
But islam promotes criminal acts in mosques, in madrassas and in islamic organizations as well. No religion promotes criminal activities except islam. On the basis of this, through the proposed change, the religious shield—and thus the immunity—of islam will be eliminated, rendering it and its followers prosecutable.
The only religion that will be affected by the aforementioned amendment is islam. Therefore, no other religion needs to be concerned in regard to it, and in fact, it would be wise of them to support it, so as to save their own religions and followers from islam.
This is our chance. These 4 years are make or break. It is not guaranteed that we will have trump after these 4 years. We must utilize this period to the fullest and we must act fast. This proposed amendment, if implemented properly, is guaranteed to thwart the islamic threat in the western world.
Carmel says
Italy doesn’t consider Islam a religion . Nor Angola .
Hector Archytas says
We got such amendment in the French declaration of 1789 as the right to practice a religion is guarantee by the constitution if it does not bring any public disorders.
In practice, it des not work.
In the right of man, the system of punishment is based on the fact that people are afraid of the punishement.
If an individual is not suicidal, he is not afraid of any punishement.
Therefore, the state should punish belief directly and not action caused by belief to prevent the action.
In practice, such a state, is a totalitarian state not a state based on the right of man.
Koran has already won over the right of man. We have to apply his teaching to fight mohamedan.
eduardo odraude says
No need to mess with the First Amendment. All that is needed is increased enforcement of sedition and treason laws. Freedom of religion does not mean you can do anything you want. The Mormons were forced to give up polygamy. Just because you believe in an Aztec god doesn’t mean you have the right in the U.S. to tear the hearts out of living children. Promotion of Islam’s totalitarian political elements can be outlawed without changing the First Amendment. We just need to keep educating ourselves and the public about 1) what Islamic core texts teach, 2) public opinion polls showing much support in the Islamic world for totalitarian sharia, 3) human rights reports showing that the Middle East/North Africa, the core Islamic region, has the worst human rights record of any region in the world.
gravenimage says
Carmel wrote:
Italy doesn’t consider Islam a religion . Nor Angola .
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Carmel, I’m afraid the idea that Angola has banned Islam is a myth–although a persistent one.
gravenimage says
I agree with Eduardo–there is nothing wrong with the First Amendment.
What Muslims are doing with waging violent Jihad and trying to impose Shari’ah is *already* illegal–we just need to enforce our existing laws, which we are not doing–not consistently, anyway.
Jay Boo says
Islam ok with killing 100 year old man as well as abortion on demand.
Muhammad’s own mother did not have an abortion but did gave Muhammad away.
I wonder why.
BLC says
I agree 100%.
JIMJFOX says
Cretius–
Under U.S. Code, the president does have the statutory authority to keep anyone out of the country, for any reason he thinks best. Per 8 USC §1182-
“Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
Mac-101 says
So these Islamist carry a 2 1/2 foot log around and prop it under someone’s chin , then wack da head of with a sword? Guess it’s better than gittin your head sawed off with a dull blade!
Jay Boo says
Yet, Leftists still love to show reverence to Islam.
They admire the spectacle of a choreographed Islamic prayer dance and feel especially ingratiated at the slightest seemingly goodwill gesture of M.E. Pastry Sweets.
Yet, they say Trump is appealing to the baser instincts of voters.
This is I suppose, IN COMPARISON —- to Islam:
— an ideology that beheads apostates and ‘infidels’
—- and shamelessly promises 72 child virgins to RAPE (like child rapist Muhammad did) with the approval of Islam’s Satan god Allah.
gravenimage says
Islamic State in Egypt executes 100-year-old Sufi cleric for “witchcraft”
The fact that the Islamic State kills other Muslims is often proffered by Barack Obama and others as a sign that it is itself not Muslim. In reality, the fact that the Islamic State kills other Muslims is a sign that it considers itself the arbiter of what is true Islam and what isn’t…
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Spot on–that’s *exactly* the case.
Muslims have been slaughtering other Muslims for not being Islamic enough since the days of the “Prophet”–on the order of the “Prophet”.
This is, in fact, mainstream Islam. The only disagreements are on which targets deserve to die. That one of the victims is a *100-year-old man* just shows what savages these are.
eduardo odraude says
Yes, the communists were often similar. And Robespierre during the French Revolution. The fanatical kind of Revolution — Islamic, Marxist, or other — devours its own children, or is devoured by them. It’s the purge mentality, enemies everywhere. Think of how many communists Stalin or Mao killed. The fact that Muslims massacre Muslims all the time just shows a similar pattern.
gravenimage says
True, Eduardo.
That was one of the major differences with the American Revolution–there was no ugly purge of British loyalists in its wake.
And Muslims have always eaten their own, since the days of the sanguinary “Prophet”.
Mac-101 says
Does anyone know if the orange jumpsuit was around before Gitmo? It seems THEY always find some before they kill the condemned. Who makes them? How many manufacturers? Do they sell them in bulk to the ME?
Tangata says
Wonder if it’s part of Killary and Obama’s aid package to ISIS…
Mac-101 says
Most Likely. No LOL!
gravenimage says
Yes, the orange prison jumpsuit was around before Guantanamo Bay–but the Islamic State using it is definitely a reference to Gitmo.
The irony, of course, is that prisoners at Gitmo are well treated–no one is being abused and killed there.
Mac-101 says
Thx
eur says
religion of peace,certainly.
Isntlam says
There always seems to be friction between Sufism and hardcore Islam. Sufism is about liberation of the soul. Sufism is about giving the individual spiritual freedom. That involves making choices. Islam is about totalitarian control of society.
gravenimage says
Isntlam wrote:
There always seems to be friction between Sufism and hardcore Islam. Sufism is about liberation of the soul. Sufism is about giving the individual spiritual freedom…
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I’m afraid not–violent Jihad is very much a part of Sufism. But Sufism is too mystical, and hence draws homicidal ire from more orthodox Muslims.
LR says
For the most part though, and especially in the U.S., the Sufi, and Bahai people are quite peaceful, and care about living a spiritual life…
(If ‘world citizen’ is still reading this site…I do miss his/her input…He/she is a good person).
gravenimage says
worldcitizen1919 is a good person–but, sadly, he is all too happy to whitewash Islam and its vile “Prophet”, as–unfortunately–are all Baha’i. But they are not violent themselves.
I’m afraid this is not the case with Sufis, though:
“Sufism Without Camouflage”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/02/bostom-sufism-without-camouflage-beyond-stephen-schwartz
David says
More primitive and Barbaric INSANITY shown by the followers of Satan!
In ancient times, many travelers to the middle east thought the entire region was infested with Demons!
Such savagery! Such barbarism! The deeds of evil done by the muslim hoards were incomprehensible to the sane minded persons not saturated with “Islamic Values”.
And thus, it continues down to our own day. Vile evil deeds done, always in the vile name of Satan (allah) or his DERANGED seed (mohamed).
As long as a single grain of this Satanic evil remains on this Earth, there will never be peace!
Champ says
Normative society honors and cherishes those who’ve reached this milestone of turning 100 years old. But not barbarians like ISIS. They only honor their devil god, allah = lord of the underworld, and milestones like this don’t matter. Wow once again islam and company demonstrate just how *evil* they truly are.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Champ. We protect the old and frail–not Muslims, who regularly target the vulnerable.
God, I hate Islam.
Champ says
“God, I hate Islam.”
Me, too, Graven.
The renegade says
Another example of insane muslims killing eachother because a monkey belonging to a rival tribe snatched the head scarf of a girl belonging to another tribe.
No jokes! Monkeys have more power of reason that these muslims….. 17 people dead (including monkey which was a tribe member apparently).
https://www.rt.com/news/367580-monkey-headscarf-clashes-libya/
Planet of the apes… here we come…
Mirren10 says
That poor monkey.
Mac-101 says
I don’t know whether to thank you for the laugh or curse you for the depression that sunk in after reading this. And this was Clinton’s shining achievement as SoS. Destroy a prosperous country and turn it into a 3rd world Murderous hole!
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Anyone ever hear where Kaddafi’s gold disappeared to. Wasn’t their TONS of it?
gravenimage says
Egypt–and Libya–were already Islamic crapholes. Now Libya, bad, under Jihadist Gaddafy, is even worse.
Angemon says
Muhammad had a 100-year-old woman killed for allegedly mocking him. If their idol showed no mercy for the elderly on a matter such as a poem, what would one expect from his followers?
Wellington says
I believe, Angemon, that the hundred year old you referred to was Abu Afak, who was a man and who was ordered killed by Mo for the great crime of writing a satirical poem about this seventh-century fraud. Mo did indeed have a woman killed, Asma bint Marwan, while breast-feeding her baby no less, for also having the audacity to question his divinely appointed mission.
Yes indeed, Mo was many things, among them being a control-freak, a fraud, a psychopath, a narcissist and a pedophile. As I know you know, mankind is in huge trouble because we have a major religion founded by a very evil man. As John Quincy Adams said of Mo, “The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust, to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of mankind.” I have no doubt Mo would have had JQA terminated as well had they lived at the same time and he had the power to do it. No doubt.
Hope you are doing well. Appreciate your enlightened posts here at JW, of which there are so many. Take care.
Angemon says
You’re correct, I was getting stories mixed up. I was thinking of Umm Qirfa, an old woman killed by being pulled by two camels until they split her in two, but her age was not specified (she was just described as “a very old woman”) and she was killed because she happened to be married with an Arab tribal leader who, while defending himself and his tribe from muslim predations, killed some muslims, not because of a poem she wrote. I stand corrected.
gravenimage says
Angemon and Wellington, I believe this may be Umm Qirfa. Sometimes she is described as being a hundred years old; sometimes just as elderly.
She held a leadership role with a people Muhammed conquered.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Story_of_Umm_Qirfa
This poor woman was tied to two camels, then split apart.
Mac-101 says
I thought I had read them ALL. Evidently I missed the old woman being split apart by two camels. Is there NO END to this demon’s evilness?
gravenimage says
If there is an end to this evil, Mac, I have yet to see it.
Wellington says
Gravenimage: To date the only person that I knew of who was a centenarian and ordered killed by Mohammed was Abu Afak. This is why I wrote what I did to Angemon.
Any extra information on the age of this woman (Umm Qirfa) would be appreciated because, as always, I want to be exact when criticizing the oldest totalitarian ideology in man’s history.
You know, sometimes I resent having to be so exact about Islam (though I have to) since I already have more than enough information that it is total bad news, pure bullshit, for mankind, but I guess being exact about this awful religion—-again and again—-is part of the price one must pay, tedious as it often is, in order to optimally combat the malevolence which is Mo’s creed.
But damn Islam and other evil ideologies and organizations for this because I’d much rather be being playing chess, drinking beer, watching football, studying pre-history, studying history, looking over the thoughts of great human beings (this would of course exclude that parasitic reprobate, Mohammed) and, in general, enjoying life———-and having to deal with the gigantic burden to all mankind that is Islam detracts from the enjoyment of life, and so damn this effing, stupid religion for this also, not to mention its eternal war on liberty, on equality under the law, on a true Golden Rule for all, on great music, on great beer, and, in general, on good times (there is no fun in Islam, now is there?).
Screw Allah. Screw Mohammed. Screw the Koran. Et al. These monstrosities have cut into my enjoyment of life and I, for one, am effing tired of them. (Sorry for the rant, but my blood was up and I needed to discourse, i.e., rant, as I did.) Hope you and yours ae well in this very silly age in which we live.
TheBuffster says
“Screw Allah. Screw Mohammed. Screw the Koran. Et al. These monstrosities have cut into my enjoyment of life and I, for one, am effing tired of them.”
Amen, Wellington! I feel exactly the same way.
gravenimage says
I know what you mean, Wellington. I love knowledge, but never wanted to learn as much about this repulsive creed as I have had to. I think of all the other things I would *rather* study. But this is necessary–eighty years ago, I would have held my nose and studied Fascism for the same reason.
I have just seen Umm Qirfa described as “very old”. Abu Afak is sometimes described as being 100; sometimes as 120.
Whatever the case, Muslims have never been respecters of the old and frail, anymore than they have of women, children, or any other vulnerable people. All are fair game as victims.
Here’s a good piece on the subject from The Religion of Peace:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/elderly-kill.aspx
gravenimage says
By the way, Wellington, I replied to you recently on a couple of threads, here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/reuters-far-right-angered-as-muslim-migrant-sets-fire-in-bank-injuring-27#comment-1559751
and here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/hamas-linked-cair-leader-who-called-for-overthrow-of-us-government-thrilled-romney-could-be-trumps-secretary-of-state/comment-page-1#comment-1558694
Angemon says
Yes, I was thinking of poor Umm Qirfa from the top of my head and got the reason of her death wrong – she didn’t made a poem mocking muhammad, she just happened to be married to someone who defended their tribe from the predations of muslims.
gravenimage says
The poetess Muhammed had killed was Asma bint Marwan. She was a nursing mother.
So many vulnerable victims of the foul “Prophet”, it is hard to keep them all straight, Angemon.
Shmooviyet says
More savagery from the ‘religion’ that claims to respect all life.
What a fight this victim must have put up against “men” 60-75 years younger than himself.
Does IS think this makes them look powerful and frightening?
Hypatia says
What a bunch of savages! Killing a helpless 100 year old man! They do not belong to any civilization!
Richard Paulsen says
Soon in Sweden.
Johan elzinga says
Soon in the Netherlands.
Richard Paulsen says
Sadly.
Ernie says
Richard and Johan ; already given up ? Battle is over ? You’re giving in to defaitism already ? You are real boosters of morale : for the muslim scum , that is !
gravenimage says
Hear, hear, Ernie! We should not give up.
Frank Courtney says
Not after Geert Wilders gets elected.
gravenimage says
🙂
Ernie says
Dear Frank and Gravenimage , thank you for being The Salt of the Earth . And yes , we will fight these barbarian invaders . We will push them back , and back…..untill there is no more ‘ islam ‘ . Voting for the right people representing us is just one of our tools . The 15th of march 2017 I’ll be voting for Mr. Geert Wilders ( Freedom Party ) .
Voytek Gagalka says
Barack Obama with saying such nonsense (that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam) should better think twice and take precautionary care on what’s going to happen to him right after he leaves his office. I am certain that ISIS would gladly behead him just to make point that they have EVERYTHING to do with Islam. Take care, Mr. President, while you still can and keep your naive head over your shoulders!
underbed cat says
Heartless,disgusting, brutal and frightening sign of sharia law.
underbed cat says
Remember this elderly man when you hear the news media parade their pious muslims to the camera and speak in a beautiful tone and neutral face about the beauty and tolerance that this picture contradicts.
Wellington says
Kinda’, sorta’ the modern Abu Afak, if you stretch things a bit.
Gotta’ give Islam this much: It’s consistent, from its warped and control-freak founder onwards to this very day. Oh yeah, consistent all right. Consistently malevolent.
gravenimage says
Here are accounts of the murder of Abu Afak:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Enemies/abuafak.html
Jay Boo says
Merkel would have invited both the 100 year old man and his executioner to enter Germany and claim asylum as 10 year old CHILDREN.
gravenimage says
Now that is grimly hilarious!
Jay Boo is referring to the phenomenon of grown Muslim men posing as boys to enter Europe as “unaccompanied minors”.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
This report — quoted in full above — is extraordinarily cursory. The only source of the condemned man’s age is a photo caption, which does not even explain the photo. Where was the picture taken, and what is the object in front of the man’s chest? Is it his beard, or is it a log, as Mac-101 surmises? And what exactly was the “witchcraft” he is accused of having practiced (and the sura or hadith he is accused of having violated)? Is sending images through the air with a wand or other handheld device a form of witchcraft?
gravenimage says
It’s a log–it is being used as a block to behead him on.
As for the “witchcraft”, I’m sure that this is because he is Sufi–Sufis are mystics, and are often accused of “witchcraft” by more orthodox Muslims.
Here’s a site–there are many–where a Salafist characterizes Sufism as witchcraft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlrgPmo0SlA
Part of the “proof” is that Sufis dance and perform music.
steve brown says
Alert !!! The day Trump is sworn in ISIS will disappear . Then the ISIS warriors will convert to Christianity until the time is right to attack again. This is why America and Russia must form a military alliance to conquer every Islamic nation that has oil and permanently confiscate that oil and gas.. Russia and America should cut all Western European Nations out of the deal until the traitors in these Europeans governments like ; Merkel- Hollande- The entire UK GOVERNMENT are deposed…
gravenimage says
steve brown wrote:
Alert !!! The day Trump is sworn in ISIS will disappear . Then the ISIS warriors will convert to Christianity until the time is right to attack again…
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Not gonna happen, Steve.
Johan elzinga says
Not a good idea. Both Russia and the US were involved in wars in islamic countries, resistance grew and so did the islam. Remember Vietnam? A guarilla war with extremists undercover can never be won. Putin knows this better than anyone. I do agree that buying oil is what keeps those savages from islamic countries in power, we should cut their oil income immediately, perhaps bomb their pipelines before we leave their countries permanently. There are some huge american and european companies who are making big profits by buying and selling their oil, and selling them weapons through various channels.
Angemon says
Johan elzinga posted:
“Both Russia and the US were involved in wars in islamic countries, resistance grew and so did the islam. ”
It goes a bit deeper than just having been involved in wars in islamic countries. Going back to the USSR era, Soviets have nurtured and aided Arab “revolutionary liberation fronts” as a foil to the US-aligned Israel, culminating in the creation of “Palestine”.
Johan elzinga says
Very true but at least Putin is now convinced (as is Trump) that in hindsight this was not a good idea and that the islam poses a massive threat.
gravenimage says
Johan, I was not implying that we should not fight against Jihad. I just meant that I do not believe, as poster steve seems to, that ISIS members will all convert to Christianity–or even pretend to–after Trump is sworn in.
gravenimage says
But I *do* agree that our getting bogged down in endless wars in Dar-al-Islam while we naively try to bring them democracy is suicidally foolish.
mortimer says
Islam is cannibalistic … on other Muslims! Allah needs blood!
mortimer says
Sufis have traditionally been the GREATEST and most fearless jihadists.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Guest says
So ISIS believes in magic, huh? How sad and pathetic, but savages always think what they don’t understand is magic.
Jack says
“A moderate Muslim holds the victim down while the non-moderate Muslim cuts off the victim’s head” By researching Islam’s almost 1400 years of bloody history the researcher could differentiate correctly between the two with those few words.
Stephanie says
PHOTOS: Daesh / ISIS Beheading Executions By Long Swords In Egypt
https://www.zerocensorship.com/uncensored/daesh/isis-beheading-executions-long-swords-egypt-358838
gravenimage says
And they are doing this in Egypt. Those who believe that al-Sisi is a bulwark against “radical” Islam–questionable, in any case–are not taking this into account.
brane pilot says
The saddest part is that his executioner appears to be wearing US military fatigues and boots.
That is what is really sad.
Florida Jim says
Muslims are not to be trusted eventually everyone becomes an infidel and they, and only, they can judge others.With people like this they should be banned from every civilized nation and forced to live with other muslims.
Richard Paulsen says
Right.
Hector Archytas says
We got such amendment in the French declaration of 1789 as the right to practice a religion is guarantee by the constitution if it does not bring any public disorders.
In practice, it des not work.
In the right of man, the system of punishment is based on the fact that people are afraid of the punishement.
If an individual is not suicidal, he is not afraid of any punishement.
Therefore, the state should punish belief directly and not action caused by belief to prevent the action.
In practice, such a state, is a totalitarian state not a state based on the right of man.
Koran has already won over the right of man. We have to apply his teaching to fight mohamedan.
gravenimage says
It would work just fine if the French–and others in the West–had the will to enforce these laws.
carol says
Hector says:
“Therefore, the state should punish belief directly and not action caused by belief to prevent the action.
In practice, such a state, is a totalitarian state not a state based on the right of man.”
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Hector is right. Survival is on the line with these religious zombies and It’s irresponsibe to be squeamish.
We don’t have the time, patience or the endless monies to battle all their sly, insane gyrations.
Let’s pick out 2,000 very well-informed citizens and then vote on “PRAGMATIC TOTALITARIANISM”.
gravenimage says
We don’t need to “punish” Muslims–just keep them out of our civilized societies.
Ric says
Islam, along with its apologists, appeasers and end-game are to drag western civilization into another dark-age. Sadly, they won’t need to drag or subjugate the west, it is willingly bending acquiescing to Islam’s will.
Richard Paulsen says
Right. Must stop islamization.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
God CAN (and DOES) work through ANY GOOD Man or Woman ANYWHERE. It is NOT WITCHCRAFT but God’s FAVOR on or LOVE for that PERSON for ALL people BELONG to HIM.