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Life in the Islamic State: “He told me to spit on a picture of the Virgin Mary and a crucifix”

Nov 17, 2016 9:04 pm By Robert Spencer

“There is no compulsion in religion” (Qur’an 2:256) but in practice, all too often Islamic supremacists find room in that phrase for all manner of coercion. What constitutes “compulsion” is in the eye of the beholder. After all, the institutionalized subjugation of the dhimma, with its regular humiliation and harassment, from which one can be freed for the simple price of converting to Islam, is not considered compulsion. Remember Centanni and Wiig, the journalists who were kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam — even though their conversions were obviously coerced, their captors made them say that they were converting freely, and the captors probably believed that themselves. After all, the journos could have chosen to be killed instead.

Islamic State Christians pay jizya hear Quran

“Iraq Christians tell tales of survival in the ‘caliphate,'” by Safa Majeed and Jean-Marc Mojon, AFP, November 15, 2016 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

Arbil (Iraq) (AFP) – They were threatened, forced to spit on a crucifix or convert to Islam, but a handful of Iraqi Christians miraculously survived more than two years under Islamic State group rule.

When the jihadists swept across the Nineveh Plain in northern Iraq in August 2014 and told Christians to convert, pay tax, leave or die, around 120,000 of them fled.

Now that Iraqi forces have retaken many of those areas around the city of Mosul, stories are emerging of those who did not get a chance to leave and faced one of the three other options.

Ismail Matti was 14 when IS militants stormed his hometown of Bartalla, east of Mosul.

He waited for relatives who had already fled to come back for him and his sick mother, Jandar Nasi, but nobody did.

They tried to flee in taxis but were turned around twice by IS and ended up in a Mosul prison.

“There were Shiite people crammed in a cell next to ours — they took one, shot him in the head and dragged his body in front of us,” he said.

“They told my mother the same thing would happen to me if we refused to convert. So we converted,” Ismail recounted from a church-run shelter in the Kurdish capital Arbil.

The pair went back to Bartalla and were then sent to the village of Shurikhan, on the western outskirts of Mosul.

“All our neighbours were Daesh,” he said, using an Arab acronym for IS. “They would come to check if I was following the sharia (Islamic law).”

– Reign of terror –

“If they found that I hadn’t been to the mosque to pray, I sometimes got lashes,” Ismail said.

He suffered the same fate in their next temporary home in Bazwaya, east of Mosul.

Ismail would sometimes get food from friendly residents but his mother never left the house….

“One day, one of them came asking for money and gold. He poked his rifle into my ribs and said ‘You have to give to us’,” she said.

Zarifa handed over the $300 she had and Badriya gave some 15-carat gold.

“One time, a young one, maybe 20 or 21, came and said we should convert. I told him we had our beliefs and they had theirs,” she recalled.

“He told me to spit on a picture of the Virgin Mary and a crucifix. I refused but he made me. The whole time I was telling God in my heart that I did not mean any of this,” she said.

“I knew God heard me because he tried to burn the picture and his lighter didn’t work,” she said, to laughter from her family in their Arbil home….

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  1. Kay says

    Nov 17, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    So heartbreaking!
    May our merciful God shower these survivors with comfort and peace and blessings.
    And may we learn from them.

    • Dan says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 7:36 am

      God WILL have mercy on those people.

      It’s those of us who remain silent about these atrocities who have to worry about God’s mercy.

      And probably more so, his wrath.

      • Myrtle Linder says

        Nov 18, 2016 at 1:07 pm

        For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life!!!

        We must remember that the millions that have been persecuted because of this assurance will have “everlasting life with HIM” Those that did the persecuting, I beleive they are with Satan or Satan is waiting for them unless they repent of their evil. If still alive it is not too late, “JESUS will forgive if we repent!”

    • A Harris USA says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 11:40 am

      Kay, Amen. There are so many modern day saints out there in the middle east. We Must pray for them each day. Those of us in the USA are blessed that we got a President like Trump. He is aware of the filth called ISIS and I can breath a sigh of relief that this Muslim horde invasion will stop! There will be a problem in Europe soon, if this filth is not driven back to their sand pits..

  2. Linde Barrera says

    Nov 17, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    I wish I had a lot of money because I would pay the airplane fare for all Iraqi and Syrian Christians to come to the US, as well as the more than 11,000 Pakistani Christians holed up in Thailand, having fled Pakistan due to Islamic persecution. These people are special to me.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 1:22 pm

      Linde, you might want to consider donating to the Barnabas Fund, which aids Christians at threat. Even small donations are helpful!

      https://barnabasfund.org/

      Notice that save for North Korea and Vietnam that almost all the countries where Christians are seriously persecuted are in Dar-al-Islam.

  3. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Nov 17, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    “He told me to spit on a picture of the Virgin Mary and a crucifix,” she said.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumi-e

    • Angemon says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 7:14 am

      Yeah, I also immediately remembered what the Japanese used to make suspected Christians do.

      • Hector Archytas says

        Nov 18, 2016 at 8:44 am

        Japanese got a good excuse to do so and were indeed very tolerant initially. They provide accomodation and support to the first missionaries. Then, they listen to dutch protestant who explained them that Catholics are agent of the pope and explain them how the Inca and Aztecs empire had been conquiered.
        The japanese are pragmatics (as Roman were). the Japanese Donald Trump decide that it is better to have 40000 christian persecuted than risking a civil war with a few millions killed. Don’t forget. then also, China got also 5 millions death in the Taiping Rebellion (1851–1864) set up by Chinese Christian and it was also to overtake the confucianist society.

        The XVII Japanese were 100 % right to persecute Christians. Christians were the subversive invader threatening the stability of a successful culture. And today Chinese are also right to cap Chinese Muslim at 2 children per familly with threat of jail. We european, are wrong to tolerate the breeding jihad of European muslim and even more wrong to sponsor by the welfare state which did help
        The 64000 muslim who came in 1960 have succeed to double in number every 8 years and become now 4 millions in UK. They should take over UK around 2050-70.

        Civil was or Islamic genocide are looming !!!!!

        It is time to wake up and come back to the days of inquisition and oppose by all mean even violent such a subversive ideology.

        The declation of the right of man is just a human text like the Koran. We should not turn it into God law. It is anachronic and written for Chritian/deist and jew society. It won’t have been sign if Muslim were to take into account.

        • Angemon says

          Nov 18, 2016 at 1:49 pm

          “Then, they listen to dutch protestant who explained them that Catholics are agent of the pope and explain them how the Inca and Aztecs empire had been conquiered.”

          Of course the protestant Dutch portrayed the Catholics in the worst light possible – what better way to take the trade with Japan from the hands of Spanish and Portuguese? In the end, going after Catholics did them little good – as far I as know, Matthew Perry was not Catholic, nor were his Black Ships Spanish or Portuguese.

    • Frank Cicero says

      Nov 20, 2016 at 10:42 pm

      I could never bring myself to spit on a picture of Mary and the cross forced upon me by the agent of satan. Under those conditions I would rather die a martyr for my King & Queen for Jesus has carefully measured the weight of his cross upon each soldier

  4. 1reader says

    Nov 17, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    Just horrible. This is what they want to do to us in the USA!!! If a person believes in Sharia above all else, then they do not belong in this country. There are many “wonderful” Islamic countries where they can live out their beliefs to their hearts desire. To me, mine and to you, yours as they love to say to us. This nation should be as a sanctuary to Christians, Jews, Atheists and all Apostates everywhere that are persecuted from these dark ages barbarians.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 1:27 pm

      Agreed, 1reader.

      • 1reader says

        Nov 18, 2016 at 2:51 pm

        Hey, GravenImage My neighbor seemed to disappear for a few days, but I caught him this morning and asked if things were better this week. He said no. I asked him what happened and he did not want to say. But he did say that he is getting hate from the new Muslim neighbors. He referred to the four apartments in our building that house Muslims, but there are four other buildings in our complex and there are probably four apts full in each bldg. Our landlady does not get it. She will kick their asses out if there is a problem though, because these are the highly monitored slums and they don’t put up with shit here. So go ahead and sh*t in your own nest, Muslims.

  5. gravenimage says

    Nov 17, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Life in the Islamic State: “He told me to spit on a picture of the Virgin Mary and a crucifix”
    ……………………….

    This poor kid and his mom!

    God, I hate Islam.

    I hope they eventually got out–the story is not clear on that point.

    • Salome says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 3:18 am

      Isn’t that what the KKK used to do to Catholics?

      • balafama says

        Nov 18, 2016 at 5:23 am

        and so ? how does that negate the evils of isis. if u have nothing good to say keep mute.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 18, 2016 at 1:56 pm

        Who here is a supporter of the KKK? *No one*.

        And the Klan actually recruits Catholics today.

        As appalling as the Klan was, to my knowledge no Catholic was ever killed by them–would that this were true of Muslims re Christians (including Catholics).

        Christians in the Islamic state have been mass murdered and used as sex slaves.

  6. Stan Lee says

    Nov 17, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    Whereas I’m still confident that most American know right from wrong, Muslims receive their attitudes at the will of their religious teachers and their koran. They are at extreme odds with the teachings of Jude0-Christian faiths.

  7. Jay Boo says

    Nov 18, 2016 at 1:09 am

    The God of Christianity is not so easily offended as Allah.
    Allah is full of lust for death and virgins just like Muhammad.

    Every Muslim walks the world forever alone.
    All Muslims have a deep hole in their soul.

    • boakai ngombu says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 11:47 am

      Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is offended and disgusted with the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers), but is patient. the WRATH of the only Righteous God will be, but at the right time.

      Triune God has provided the way muslims (slaves) may be freed from subjugation to the allah god. some hear; the mosque is porous. and some find that the “hole in their soul” is filled with the love of God through faith in the Son.. these and many others will never know that wrath coming.

  8. linnte says

    Nov 18, 2016 at 1:52 am

    The ultimate nightmare. When Islam tries to wrench people’s souls from them. THIS is why I struggle to learn more. This is what I want to save my grandchildren from. Death comes to us all, but death of the spirit and soul? Unthinkable. I am right there with you Graven. I hate Islam.

  9. duh swami says

    Nov 18, 2016 at 5:12 am

    ‘If Allah causes all that suffering, he can’t be good (He’s not), and if he is powerless to stop it, he can’t be God’… (He’s not)…

  10. CHINTAMANI PATWARDHAN says

    Nov 18, 2016 at 7:18 am

    MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD SHALL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE HIDDEN MESSAGE OF KORAN , WHICH TEACHES HATRED ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS.
    THE REVELATION OF AYAT AND THEIR SEQUENCE IN KORAN ARE NOT ARRANGED WITH TIME OF THEIR REVELATION. SO IF YOU WANT TO FINDOUT THE TRUE MEANING OF KORAN THEN YOU HAVE TO REARRANGE THE AYATS AS PER THEIR TIMING OF REVELATION.
    IN THE BEGINING OF MAKKA PERIOD ISLAM WAS GENTLE AND AT THAT TIME REVELATION OF AYATS DID NOT HAVE ANY VIOLENT MESSAGE. BUT AFTER MADINA VICTORY THE BEGINING OF VIOLENT ISLAM STARTED. PROPHET WAS SENDING MESSAGES TO KINGS OF NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES ” ACCEPT ISLAM AND GET PEACE OR OTHERWISE BEREADY FOR WAR”. SO ALL PEOPLE THINK THAT ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE WHICH IN ACTUAL RELIGION OF WAR, VIOLENCE, SLAVERY, LOOTING- SELLING-RAPING OF WOMEN AND KILLING OF ALL MALES, LOOTING WEALTH AND DISTRIBUTING IT AMONG SOLDIERS OF ISLAM.
    IN SHORT BY DEFAULT ISLAM IS RELIGION OFVIOLENCE. WE ALL HAVE SEEN THE DANGER AND VIOLENCE OF ISIS IN IRAQ. THE VIOLENCE DONE BY ISIS IS BASED ON TEACHINGS OF ISLAM.THE MAIN AIM OF VIOLENCE IS TO MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD MOHAAD’S LAND AND TO CONVERT THE WHOLE HUMAN BEINGS INTO MUSLIMS. ANY UNETHICAL-IMMORAL THING FOR SPREAD OF ISLAM IS TAKEN AS PIOUS DEED AND THE MEN DOING THESE UGLY DEEDS BECOME MATERS OF HEAVEN AS PROMISED IN KORAN.
    ISLAM DO NOT TEACH NATIONALISM BUT MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.THEY MAY BE CITIZENS OF EUROPE, USA, RUSSIA. CHINA, INDIA ETC BUT SHALL NEVER BE TRUE CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY, IT IS NOT FAULT OF THEM BUT THE FAULT OF KORAN-HADITH AND WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT IN MADRASAS.
    SO ALL AMERICANS MUST SUPPORT THE NEW PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IN ACHIEVING HIS TARGETS.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      I wish the savagery of the Qur’an were hidden, but it is all too apparent to its violent followers.

  11. Hector Archytas says

    Nov 18, 2016 at 8:45 am

    Japanese Persuction versus Muslim one

    Japanese got a good excuse to do so and were indeed very tolerant initially. They provide accomodation and support to the first missionaries. Then, they listen to dutch protestant who explained them that Catholics are agent of the pope and explain them how the Inca and Aztecs empire had been conquiered.
    The japanese are pragmatics (as Roman were). the Japanese Donald Trump decide that it is better to have 40000 christian persecuted than risking a civil war with a few millions killed. Don’t forget. then also, China got also 5 millions death in the Taiping Rebellion (1851–1864) set up by Chinese Christian and it was also to overtake the confucianist society.

    The XVII Japanese were 100 % right to persecute Christians. Christians were the subversive invader threatening the stability of a successful culture. And today Chinese are also right to cap Chinese Muslim at 2 children per familly with threat of jail. We european, are wrong to tolerate the breeding jihad of European muslim and even more wrong to sponsor by the welfare state which did help
    The 64000 muslim who came in 1960 have succeed to double in number every 8 years and become now 4 millions in UK. They should take over UK around 2050-70.

    Civil was or Islamic genocide are looming !!!!!

  12. Cretius says

    Nov 18, 2016 at 9:55 am

    The Western principles of human rights, democracy and freedom are now severely threatened because of tolerance of the intolerable: the infiltration of a barbaric culture that beats, stones, rapes, honour kills and subjugation of women; that still conducts beheadings and the amputation of hands; and that murders apostates, among other barbaric practices. Victims are piling up under the still too pervasive political correctness and fear of being branded “racist” and “Islamophobic.” Western leaders and the leftist mainstream media have enabled extremist Islam. A grass roots movement is required to reverse this trend.

    “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” — George Orwell

  13. boakai ngombu says

    Nov 18, 2016 at 11:37 am

    “All our neighbours were Daesh,” he said, using an Arab acronym for IS. “They would come to check if I was following the sharia (Islamic law).”

    here is the reason it is so difficult to leave the mosque

    the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) is jealous of all whom it ensnares; all must become as muhammad (lately contrived; full of lusts; having no compassion)

    an environment of fear and suspicion is islam

  14. Richard says

    Nov 18, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    Yeah. Islam and Muslims never consider there to be “compulsion” so long as there are at least two choices offered to non-Muslims, and there always are two choices (conversion or death) and sometimes even three (conversion, death or the dhimma), if you’re a Person of the Book . Death is considered a choice and an exercise of free will, ergo no compulsion.

    Another example of how 1400 years of Islamic conditioning has so irrevocably affected Muslims’ thinking patterns that their brains really are wired differently from ours.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 18, 2016 at 2:13 pm

      Richard wrote:

      Yeah. Islam and Muslims never consider there to be “compulsion” so long as there are at least two choices offered to non-Muslims, and there always are two choices (conversion or death) and sometimes even three (conversion, death or the dhimma), if you’re a Person of the Book . Death is considered a choice and an exercise of free will, ergo no compulsion.
      ……………………………..

      This is *exactly* the case, Richard–eloquently put. As far as Muslims were concerned, the poor Copts infamously beheaded on the beach in Libya were under no compulsion.

      Have I mentioned how I loathe Islam?

      • Richard says

        Nov 18, 2016 at 3:13 pm

        The other often overlooked theological underpinning of the “no compulsion” argument is that according to Islamic doctrine, omnipotent Allah has the power to cause all human beings to become Muslims but has preordained that some won’t, in order to have humans to torture in Hell. By this argument, no person can be compelled to do, or not do, something that Allah has already ordained for them; their fate simply IS, by Divine decree.

        Therefore, if a Kafir declines to convert to Islam (or if a Person of the Book rejects the dhimma) it can therefore logically be construed that it is Allah’s ordainment that they have done so, the person is predestined for Hell, and is to be put to death at the hands of the Believers. No compulsion; just the will of Allah.

        • Richard says

          Nov 18, 2016 at 3:57 pm

          I should add that Islamic dualism allows for both free will and predestination, since Allah is supra-natural, transcending all laws physical, temporal and moral. Some humans are given free will, some have their fates and lives preordained, but the logic governing compulsion holds in either case.

          Koran 2:106: ” Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?”

      • Champ says

        Nov 18, 2016 at 3:20 pm

        “Have I mentioned how I loathe Islam?”

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Me, too, Graven. And islam is *wholly* evil …

        “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

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