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NPR: “Muslim Community Fears Backlash After Ohio State Attack”

Nov 29, 2016 10:04 am By Robert Spencer

Here we go again. A Muslim attacked and wounded non-Muslims at Ohio State University, and you know what that means as far as the establishment propaganda media is concerned: Muslims are victims. NPR is quick out of the box with this Muslims-are-the-true-victims piece, whining about an anti-Muslim “backlash” that seldom, if ever, materializes after Islamic jihad attacks. In reality, Jews are targeted for hate attacks twice more often than Muslims; where are the NPR stories about anti-Semitism (aside from Trump-bashing propaganda that ignores the fact that anti-Jewish attacks have topped the FBI’s hate crime statistics far longer than he has been a politician)?

“Farah is a Somali refugee and a Muslim. He says attacks blamed on terrorism have a familiar aftermath on campus: snide comments, peering eyes and a feeling of uneasiness.”

Snide comments! Peering eyes! The horror! Consider how grotesque this reporting is in light of the fact that NPR is talking about this after people were stabbed and deliberately hit with a car.

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“Muslim Community Fears Backlash After Ohio State Attack,” by Esther Honig, NPR, November 29, 2016 (thanks to Lookmann):

At a coffee shop just off campus, students meet up to study or catch up with friends. Monday afternoon, Ohio State University senior Mohamed Farah was catching up on his homework.

“I didn’t get a lot of work done today just because there’s a lot going on,” says Farah. “I tried to stay away from the news but I kept going back to it.”…

“When I first heard that he was Somali, I mean my stomach did fall,” says Farah. “Not just because of what happened today but because of what will happen tomorrow.”

Police identified the suspect as Adbul Razak Ali Artan, whom the Associated Press reported was a refugee from Somalia.

Farah is a Somali refugee and a Muslim. He says attacks blamed on terrorism have a familiar aftermath on campus: snide comments, peering eyes and a feeling of uneasiness.

“Those Somali men and women, the ones that wear a head scarf or the ones like myself with the name Mohammed, tomorrow will be a day of trepidation,” said Farah.

Looking through tweets, he said the negative ones from his fellow OSU students were the most painful, like one that says, as a Somali refugee, Artan “bit the hand that fed him.”

“That one really, it shakes the core of you, you know,” says Farah….

Horsed Noah, the director of one of the largest Islamic centers in Columbus, runs a youth group for Somali men and women. He says he didn’t know Artan, but reading that interview, Noah thinks the young man had become isolated.

“That definitely should have been a red flashing light,” says Noah.

Noah says when he first heard about the attack at OSU he had one thought.

“I was with my wife and I said I hope he is not a Muslim,” he says.

Monday, Noah held community meetings to calm parents and children who are scared to return to work and school. He says his community is as shocked as every other citizen in this country.

Today classes for Farah and the rest of OSU’s students will resume.

“I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t dreading it, but I don’t think I’m going to skip class. I think I’m going to be there. I’m going to have conversations,” says Farah. “I choose love. I affirm life.

Mohamed Farah says he is as proud as ever to be a Buckeye.

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Comments

  1. Lynne says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:12 am

    “bit the hand that fed him.” Well. Yah! Here they are going to school, eating well etc. What do they have to complain about?

    • Shmooviyet says

      Nov 29, 2016 at 11:52 am

      Snide comments are something no one in America should ever have to endure.
      Madness!

      • Thugg says

        Nov 29, 2016 at 3:24 pm

        Get real. Response to snide comments is not mowing down people and going on a stabbing spree. Honestly man, do u even realize what you are implying? I am pretty sure he is not the worst discriminated human being on the planet. Get some perspective.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 29, 2016 at 11:35 pm

          Thugg, long time Jihad Watch poster Shmooviyet was being sarcastic here.

      • Carolyne says

        Nov 30, 2016 at 10:16 am

        Perhaps, Smooviyet, could you kindly tell us just where in the Constitution it guarantees we will be free from being offended? I am offended daily by Muslims in my country running amok and being protected in doing so by NPR and the US Government.

        Snide comment? You betcha!

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 30, 2016 at 6:45 pm

          This is sarcasm. Carolyne.

        • somehistory says

          Nov 30, 2016 at 8:00 pm

          Whenever someone uses the word *snide,* I automatically recall the “Pale Green Pants,” when the *speaker* went to “a dark and gloomy snide field to pick a peck”.

          Often I have wondered just where is that field.

  2. Ciudadano says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:13 am

    It feels well trained like a boxing match: attack, defense, attack, defense

  3. RichardL says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:18 am

    of course they fear backlash when someone acts as islam wants its adherents to act. I don’t think that we should criticise for Muslims for fearing backlash – it is totally unreasonable not to get a reaction from decent people. If there would be thousands of suicide bombers and other killers shouting Heil Hitler while perpetrating their acts, decent people would treat people with swastika armbands differently from regular people.

    We should be criticising all those non-Muslims who turn islam into something that cannot be criticised.

    I hope Trump cuts NPRs budget dramatically.

    • Demsci says

      Nov 29, 2016 at 10:57 am

      Yes, there are all those non moslims who maintain Islam should not be criticized. But perhaps beter even than criticizing Islam it could be to find an overarching ideology of democracy and tolerance, suitable for a majoritu of Citizens of Western democratjc countries.

      Then people could talk About TWO ideologies and compare, on grounds of both textual evidente and published convictions of huge Numbers of adherents of both, not juist of Islam.

      Then al who want can COMPARE And not just choose between the one ideology, Islam is bad, good of neutral, as happens now.

      People who are not nihilistic should realise that either Islam or it’s democratic tolerant ideology expands at the cost of the other. And even try to convert smart muslims to the democratic tolerant ideology out of Islam.

      And if the differences between the 2 ideologies are widely acknowleged Then some vorm of accountable holding for choice of idelology discriminatory defensse becomes possible.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 29, 2016 at 11:39 pm

        Dear Demsci, I have to admit I am at a loss over your continuing to post this.

        Don’t you think that Western values are *already* completely superior to Islam?

        Abdul here attended a fine college, and had the model of his professors and fellow students before him–as well as all the other decent Americans in Columbus, and in Texas before that.

        It’s not as though he wasn’t presented with a fine alternative to the horror of Islam–it is just that he rejected it.

        • linnte says

          Nov 30, 2016 at 3:07 am

          You are so correct GI! He intentionally rejected the gift of freedom and everything America stands for. How many hundreds of thousands of American Muslims feel this way? Scary isn’t it?

        • Demsci says

          Nov 30, 2016 at 3:36 am

          Hello G,

          Very sorry to be unclear + repetitieve.

          My situation; almost totally surrounded by many colleaques/ familymembers who are politica correct/ muslims.

          Determineerde to experiment to find solutions for Democracy&islam problem that eventually Will come through parliamenr.

          My experimental strategie: Talk somehow About two, not one ideology, at Least at times. the bad one and the better one.

          To show the pc/’s what Islam really is Encroaching on and, yes, show SMART muslims, not this idiot, how much better ideologies, for person and sociëty, than Islam are out there.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 30, 2016 at 6:47 pm

          Demsci, thanks for your reply. I believe we should be defending our own civilized values–we don’t, as I see it, need to come up with new ones in order to counter Islam.

    • concerned canadian says

      Nov 29, 2016 at 3:54 pm

      NPR is horrible agreed !!

  4. john spielman says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:19 am

    I hope the FBI investigates EVERY ONE to whom this jihadi perp sent his pro jihadi rants on line, and then charge them for NOT reporting this criminal to the FBI and police!

    • Carolyne says

      Nov 30, 2016 at 10:20 am

      Maybe the FBI will do so after Jan. 20, 2017.

  5. Tommy says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:21 am

    “Jesus is Great!” KA-BOOM

  6. Tom Thumb says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:31 am

    You wonder when the media is going to stop with this ‘backlash’ BS. They have been doing it since 911 and there never is one.

    • Shmooviyet says

      Nov 29, 2016 at 11:42 am

      Never. They feel it their duty to protect ‘the real victims’ of islamic violence. And someone needs to speak out against those mean looks!

    • Carolyne says

      Nov 30, 2016 at 10:25 am

      After 9/11 Theresa Heinz Kerrey and George Soros, through their “Tides Foundation” set up a fund to protect gay Muslims from backlash because of 9/11. Yes, Theresa Heinz Kerrey, married to the Secretary of State of the United States, although he was a Senator then.

      Muslims always fear backlash which never happens. It seems to be the Mantra of Muslims and their left-leaning friends. There is NEVER any backlash against Muslims, although perhaps there should be. They certainly wish for it and it is, after all, AG Loretta Lynch’s “Worst nightmare.”

  7. American Pragmatism says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:31 am

    The muslim community has been nearly silent on condemning these attacks. They need to condemn them if they want us to believe these attacks are not condoned.

    • Demsci says

      Nov 29, 2016 at 11:05 am

      Oh, Muslims already condemn them!

      But in secret they condemn kuffars even more.

      No, what should be demanded is clear choice! loyalty to democratic laws and nations over and above contradicting laws and hostile nations and Groups.

  8. Angemon says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:40 am

    NPR is being remarkably tame – one would expect that, after warning several times, and in the wake of other jihad attacks on American soil, against a “backlash” that never came to pass, NPR would be increasingly shriller and outrageous in order to be taken seriously, much like “climate” “scientists” after decades of failed “predictions”. I’d expect them (NPR, not climate hacks) to be talking about paramilitary death squads by now…

  9. Lee Hicks says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 10:54 am

    This is a common lie that is used in the pursuit of Jihad, and groups like NPR just eat it up every time. In the world of Islam, inroads are made in two stages, when they have infiltrated society to this point.

    First, attack and kill, and then turn around and claim fictional victim status for “backlash” attacks that never happen.

    Such attacks should happen, if a society is to defend itself from this brutal, corrupt, and evil ideology, but instead the Western leadership continues to tolerate the actions and lies of the Islamic world.

    The West needs a huge wake up call, if it is to battle this insidious, violent, and corrupt 3rd world war (which is already being waged by the Islamic world).

  10. Shmooviyet says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 11:36 am

    It’s interesting how often muslim interviewees have the same question/fear in their minds (“was it an islamic attack”) as do increasing numbers of non-believers– before this phantom fear of backlash sets in.
    Seems some don’t expect the best behavior from their fellow followers.

  11. gretel says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 11:41 am

    No backlash other than the cycle of obligatory panel discussions on tv on how we can all make life better for moslems.

  12. Stan Lee says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 11:44 am

    Before another word comes with this, Why TH aren’t the true Americans, those whose complete allegiance is to the Constitution and the flag that stands for it, raise hell with Congress to finally defund the propaganda organization NPR? We, the people, are obliged to pay for it just so NPR can feed more alibis for Muslims to the rest of us!

    Aren’t there enough privately owned propaganda media operations that cover for the Obama Regime and his preference for Muslims no matter what they do? Even Fox News is sucking up to them now! But, our taxes don’t support Fox News, we, the people get stuck with the bill for NPR. That is one issue.

    The other issue is this bleeding heart moaning from a community that fears the rest of us, while its lunatic fringe rams cars into pedestrians, and just happens to be carrying butcher knives or other weapons for imminent use.

    These people have to know what is going on in their mosques, from their imams, plus the instructions in their holy book that have been distributed to them for ages. It is even insulting on their parts that they express themselves worriedly that there may be a backlash against them! It’s the same con job from them every time one of their number rampages.

    What are they doing to block their lunatic group among them? It is incumbent on them to clean-up their own potential mess, rather than expressing worriment that we, the so-called infidels, will take revenge upon them. We are not like them, we don’t carry butcher knives and other weapons for killing to seek out Muslims in response of their instructions about us. For 1400 years, and everywhere they are, they have had instructions to do mortal harm upon Jews. Those instructions travel with them in their book, wherever they are in this world. Non-Jews should take note that what are called “disbelievers” are any other non-Muslims than Jews. In other words, if one isn’t a Muslim, then he/she is an infidel and is inferior to Muslims, to be persecuted or whatever else is described in their book.

    Then, I must pose the question; since we are acknowledged as inferior in their belief as written in their book, why do they seek to attend American centers of education? Practically 100% of the time, instructors or professors would be of the inferior, non-Muslim types! Such hypocrisy! Yet, it is the staring, the peering,etc.,that causes fear in them about we non-Muslims!
    It is sheer poppy-cock, there has been no case in this big country where a Christian, Jew, or Buddhist has rammed his car into pedestrians, leaped out of that car and started to stab innocent people with a butcher knife. None of us has taken a fast firing weapon into a night club to gun-down dozens of people. None of us has gone berserk on a military post and coincidentally was armed to kill, and did kill soldiers and their dependents, all unarmed incidentally.

    Of course, they can expect not to be greeted as friends, and Americans are as tolerant or even more tolerant than can be found anywhere in this world. We are the “melting pot” they came NOT to join, but to scheme against!
    The pattern set by them is extreme no matter how they act of regretting after the damage is done.
    It is not the “peering” in the aftermath of one of their murder sessions that should bother them in the least., That “peering” is an expectation of the worst from them, and when it will break-out. The disturbing fact is, that the innocent of today, may decide to respond in kind tomorrow.
    We needed none of this for granting safe entry into our nation, and make no mistake about this; they scheme for this nation not to be ours, but to conquer it for Islam!

    • Wellington says

      Nov 29, 2016 at 12:54 pm

      “…..why do they seek to attend American centers of education?”

      Since in Islamic theology all the world is eventually to become Islamic (guess no more dar-al-harb thereafter), infiltration of non-Muslim institutions, organizations, etc. is all part of the Ummah’s effort to insure this eventual reality. Good too to learn what the kuffaar might know that the Islamic world does not yet know, though no graciousness towards the kuffaar should be expected here. Besides, but for Western colonialism, blah, blah, blah, the Islamic world would have discovered and developed all that the West did, so you see all the advancements of the West really came at the expense of the one true faith, Islam, which has been persecuted to this very day by the West and, of course, charges of persecution by Islam is just more evidence of Western mendacity and deception.

      In short, Stan Lee, welcome to what I call Muslimthink.

  13. Veka Fitzfrancis says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    Personally I’m worried for the officer whose face has been plastered everywhere, just like I’m worried that the Muslima in Minnesota’s beauty pagent is going to be discovered with her throat slit by a fellow Somali.

  14. Alice says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 12:54 pm

    Of course…

  15. davej says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    I heard this story. What I didn’t hear were any stories about the victims, their condition or their family’s reactions and justifiable fears. Nor did I hear any stories about the Muslim community’s condemnation of this act, apologies to the University or how the obvious signs of impending violence were missed (again).

    No offers to come into our mosques and hear the calls for peace with the unbelievers.

    All I heard were self-centered complaints about dirty looks from a few infidels.

  16. eduardo odraude says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    Muhammad says, “Fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God.”

    Muhammad says those words in the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad on page 672 (992 in the Arabic). See LINK: Page 672

    Quoting Islam

  17. mustapha crap says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    Not the old “Islamaphobic backlash” chestnut again!!! YAWN!!!! These ‘ere Mohammadens aren’t exactly inventive with their false victimhood cobblers are they? How many times do we have to hear that Muslims fear a backlash after yet another murderous jihad enacting Muslim is splashed all over our screens?

    They keep crying wolf, but one day they will experience a backlash far greater than they could ever imagine, people all over the world are running out of patience with their behaviour, illegal entry, followed by demand after demand that our society change to accommodate their backward beliefs which is accompanied by rapes sexual assaults violence against the host populace and ultimately jihad attacks against the host nation and its citizens.
    One day people are going to stand up and say enough! and then all hell will ensue, they’ll get their backlash alright and their whining enablers at CAIR ISNA etc won’t be able to do a damn thing to stop it.

    The west will ultimately become a “No Go” area for Islam and not before time

  18. Salome says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 2:33 pm

    Terror attacks : snide comments. Peering eyes : what non-muslims in the muslim world suffer every day. No comparison.

  19. Trev says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    What an a**hole! Students were run over and hacked and he calls himself a victim. What a piece of sh*t.
    Better lookout for backlash. Backlash is a ghost story told around a camp fire. I guess we just wait till the next one and the next. No wonder Anti-trumpers are turning to violence. It seems violence has really no consequences and those who get attacked are……well it’s their own fault……right.

  20. reyol says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    His family and his imam along with his family should be deported. The mosque he attended should be shut down. Only then will you see some community pressure to not wage Jihad where they eat. As it is now, they get to play both sides by sending Jihadists to attack Americans and then crying, “We fear backlash”.

  21. linnte says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    Well, if enough of this happens, there eventually BE a backlash. Americans will become intolerant of this Jihad crap and it may cause fighting. And justly so! Muslims perspective is so skewed they think we shouldn’t look at them with some contempt? How arrogant! How ISLAMIC!

    • linnte says

      Nov 29, 2016 at 11:07 pm

      Insert the word “will” between eventually and BE please ?

  22. gravenimage says

    Nov 29, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    NPR: “Muslim Community Fears Backlash After Ohio State Attack”
    …………………

    We knew the victims would not even be out of the hospital before this bullsh*t started.

    How dare the filthy Infidels give Muslims ‘uneasy looks’ after one of them tried to run down and stab them to death. How “Islamophobic”! sarc/off

  23. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Nov 30, 2016 at 4:03 am

    yes,muslims have reason for panic.the wild america christians are waiting for such osu incidence to justify genocide on muslims as commanded in their mithraist evil bible(the book of genocide and phornography.isis, the mossad wing of terror, claimed responsibility to fuel the tention as planned.these wild mithraist evil christians never care to know if the assailant represent muslim minds or not.they are all out to drive muslims out of america as mad trump promised them.i call on muslims to vacate evil america for their safety , and all muslim nations to withdraw all their assets from that hostile country to be led by a sagave crusader(trump)fews months to come.according to islamic law muslims must migrate from hostile non-muslim nations.you can only stay in friendly nation as prophet muhammad instructed weak muslims to migrate to ethiopia under a just christian king when they faced genocide from pagan meccans.

    • aDhimmiSaysWhat? says

      Nov 30, 2016 at 5:59 am

      Even though your post is a whole lot of crazy all at once, I just want to point out one specific part that i especially enjoyed. You said ‘I call on all Muslims to vacate evil america.’ Yes. Please do that. That would be awesome. I think you should continue to share this idea with your fellow co-religionists. If they don’t agree, try to convince them again. I wish you the best in this endeavor. Don’t give up! Good luck, and Godspeed!

    • linnte says

      Nov 30, 2016 at 10:46 am

      Oh WOW! That would be wonderful! Yes! Please convince all Muslims to leave America. How can I help? Is there someone I can write a letter to? Any special Imam who is in charge of the whole American portion of the Islamic Umma? Who is the top Imam in America? Can I email him?

      When can I start to relax knowing no more Jihad will happen in American communities?

    • Angemon says

      Nov 30, 2016 at 4:36 pm

      ibrahim itace muhammed posted:

      “yes,muslims have reason for panic.the wild america christians are waiting for such osu incidence to justify genocide on muslims as commanded in their mithraist evil bible(the book of genocide and phornography.”

      Care to point out the Biblical verses that allegedly call for Christians to comit genocide on muslims? What’s that? They don’t exist? Figures… Anyway, your narrative betrays itself – you are saying that Christians will commit genocide in response to muslim attacks. Compare that with the teachings of the quran, which contain open-ended commands, valid for all time, ordering muslism to attack non-muslims on the grounds of their religion.

      Must be sad that you can’t even lie well enough to benefit yourself…

      “isis, the mossad wing of terror, claimed responsibility to fuel the tention as planned.”

      ISIS is quintessentially islamic. I know, I know, you are drenched in islamic anti-semitism and see Jew everywhere, but the thing is, facts are facts, and ISIS has extensively quoted from islamic sources to justify their actions.

      “these wild mithraist evil christians never care to know if the assailant represent muslim minds or not.”

      The assailants claim to be muslims and justify their attacks with their religion. Take your bone to your coreligionists.

      “they are all out to drive muslims out of america as mad trump promised them.”

      Trump promised no such thing.

      “i call on muslims to vacate evil america for their safety , and all muslim nations to withdraw all their assets from that hostile country to be led by a sagave crusader(trump)fews months to come.”

      America would certainly become a much better place if your coreligionists were to do that. BTW, are you sure you are not living in America?

      “according to islamic law muslims must migrate from hostile non-muslim nations.”

      No, they are told to migrate to non-muslim nations, like when mothemad went from Mecca to Medina.

      “you can only stay in friendly nation as prophet muhammad instructed weak muslims to migrate to ethiopia under a just christian king when they faced genocide from pagan meccans.”

      If the Meccan pagans wanted to kill muslims there would be no islam today. They wanted muhammad gone because he kept insulting their gods and ancestors, and they were more than glad to be rid of him. Mothemad, however, used Medina as a base to raid Meccan caravans and eventually raise an army to conquer Mecca.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 30, 2016 at 7:10 pm

      Foul Muslim apologist ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:

      yes,muslims (sic) have reason for panic.the (sic) wild america (sic) christians (sic) are waiting for such osu incidence (sic) to justify genocide on muslims (sic) as commanded in their mithraist (sic) evil bible(the (sic) book of genocide and phornography (sic).
      ………………………………

      What claptrap. Muslims have been launching murderous Jihad terror attacks against Infidels here in the United States in increasing numbers since 9/11, yet this “backlash” has been illusory. If Christians were really instructed by the Bible to commit genocide–a grotesque calumny–Muslims would long since have been erased from America.

      More:

      isis, (sic) the mossad (sic) wing of terror, claimed responsibility to fuel the tention (sic) as planned.these (sic) wild mithraist (sic) evil christians (sic) never care to know if the assailant represent muslim minds or not.
      ………………………………

      ISIS is, of course, mainstream Islam. muhammed never says why his pious coreligionists are flocking to the Islamic State if it is run by Jooooos.

      But Muslims have been waging violent Jihad against American victims since long before the emergence of ISIS, in any case. 9/11, in fact, predates ISIS, but there were plenty of Jihadists around.

      More:

      they (sic) are all out to drive muslims (sic) out of america as mad trump (sic) promised them.
      ………………………………

      Of course, Trump said no such thing. He suggested taking steps to keep out Jihadists–is muhammed admitting that Jihadists are no different from ordinary Muslims?

      More:

      i (sic) call on muslims to vacate evil america (sic) for their safety , and all muslim (sic) nations to withdraw all their assets from that hostile country to be led by a sagave (sic) crusader(trump)fews (sic) months to come.
      ………………………………

      Muslims are, of course, in no danger here–would that the opposite were true, Notice that muhammed has not condemned Abdul Artan running over and knifing Infidels.

      But we would be *thrilled* if Muslims decided to decamp for Dar-al-Islam. We would be immeasurably safer if we no longer had ravening Jihadists in our civilized nations.

      More:

      according to islamic (sic) law muslims (sic) must migrate from hostile non-muslim (sic) nations.you (sic) can only stay in friendly nation (sic) as prophet (sic) muhammad (sic) instructed weak muslims (sic) to migrate to ethiopia (sic) under a just christian (sic) king when they faced genocide from pagan meccans (sic).
      ………………………………

      Actually, as Angemon notes, this is not the case at all. Muslims are instructed to make inroads into any part of Dar-al-Harb they can in order to spread Islam. That is, in fact, what they are doing in the civilized West now.

  24. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Nov 30, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    angemon,do you consider idol as god?how did prophet insult pagan gods.allah revealed to him that these wooden images the pagan erected with their hands were not the same as the god of their forefathers abraham and ishmael.they were being deceived by satan.is that an insult?are you siding the pagans that they were right?when prophet muhammad received catholic christians from najran(somewhere in yemen)and allowed them to pray in his mosque at madina, he told them that according to what was revealed to him their mode of worship resembled that of his brother prophet isa(jesus)except that they missed the truth along the line.that jesus was not god or son of god.he was a messenger of god like other messengers of god before him and himyself after jesus.the catholic christian visitors never felt that prophet prophet muhammad insulted their god.they told prophet muhammad that they were still satisfied with their belief sytem.then prophet said no one should harm them.let them stick to what they believed.they were allies.the verse was then revealed”no compulsion in religion”. the pagan meccans,on the other, not only objected to what prophet told them that these woodene idols were not true god,they insisted that prophet muhammad must abandon his religion and joine idol worship.when he refused they started persecuting him and his followers.i hope you get the point.for true state of things, i refer you to philip k. hiti islamic history.if can read arabic i refer you to tantawy hadaratul islamiyya

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 30, 2016 at 7:36 pm

      More from ibrahim itace muhammed:

      angemon,(sic) do you consider idol as god?how (sic) did prophet insult pagan gods.allah (sic) revealed to him that these wooden images the pagan erected with their hands were not the same as the god of their forefathers abraham and ishmael.they (sic) were being deceived by satan.is (sic) that an insult?are (sic) you siding (sic) the pagans that they were right?
      ………………………………..

      Unlike ravening Muslims, civilized people do not believe that slaughtering others over their religious beliefs is justified.

      This is, of course, not something the barbaric muhammed would understand.

      More:

      when (sic) prophet (sic) muhammad (sic) received catholic (sic) christians (sic) from najran(somewhere in yemen)and (sic) allowed them to pray in his mosque at madina (sic), he told them that according to what was revealed to him their mode of worship resembled that of his brother prophet isa(jesus)except (sic) that they missed the truth along the line.that (sic) jesus was not god or son of god.he (sic) was a messenger of god like other messengers of god before him and himyself (sic) after jesus.
      ………………………………..

      The story of the Najran Christians is not listed in any Hadith, but only in sources centuries after the life of Muhammed, and likely has no historical basis.

      As for the Muslim “Jesus”–really, “Isa”–he is *nothing* like the Jesus of the Gospels. In fact, the role of “Isa” in the last days is to *slaughter Christians*.

      More:

      the catholic (sic) christian (sic) visitors never felt that prophet prophet (sic) muhammad (sic) insulted their god.they (sic) told prophet muhammad (sic) that they were still satisfied with their belief sytem.
      ………………………………..

      The idea that Christians are happy being slaughtered by Muslims is simply grotesque.

      More:

      then prophet said no one should harm them.let (sic) them stick to what they believed.they (sic) were allies.the verse was then revealed”no (sic) compulsion in religion”.
      ………………………………..

      The “no compulsion in religion” was a Meccan, not a Medinan verese. It was abrogated by the more violent Medinan verses.

      By the end of the “Prophet” Muhammed’s life, most Infidels had been driven out of Arabia, enslaved, or murdered outright.

      More:

      the pagan meccans,on (sic) the other, (sic) not only objected to what prophet told them that these woodene (sic) idols were not true god,they (sic) insisted that prophet muhammad must abandon his religion and joine (sic) idol worship.when (sic) he refused they started persecuting him and his followers.
      ………………………………..

      Actually, Mecca was a very tolerant place, given the wide variety of worship there. They just objected to Muhammed trying to impose his creed on them. But then, Islam has always been this way, from its earliest days.

      More:

      i (sic) hope you get the point.for (sis) true state of things, i refer you to philip k. hiti (sic) islamic (sic) history.if can read arabic (sic) i (sic) refer you to tantawy hadaratul islamiyya (sic)
      ………………………………..

      This first is probably a reference to Philip Khuri Hitti, a dhimmi who laid the basis for Islamic Studies programs in American universities. He was a virulent antisemite who vociferously opposed the creation of modern Israel.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 30, 2016 at 8:59 pm

      ibrahim itace muhammed posted:

      “angemon,do you consider idol as god?”

      It’s not what I consider, it’s what *you* consider. Allah was the pagan moon god before your coreligionists stole it for themselves. Are you saying that allah is an idol?

      “how did prophet insult pagan gods.”

      Al-Tabari, a renowned muslim historian and commentator, writes:

      Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Ibn Ishaq: The Messenger of God proclaimed God’s message openly and declared Islam publicly to his tribesmen. When he did so, they did not withdraw from him or reject him in anyway, as far as I had heard, until he spoke of their gods and denounced them. When he did this, they took exception to it and united in opposition and hostility to him, except for those of them whom God had protected from error by means of Islam. The latter were few in number and practiced their faith in secret. His uncle Abu Talib was friendly to him, however, and protected him and shielded him from them. The Messenger of God continued to do God’s work and to proclaim his message, undeterred by anything. When Quraysh saw that he would not give them any satisfaction, they objected to his departing from their ways and denouncing their gods, and seeing that Abu Talib protected him, shielded him from harm, and would not hand him over to them, a number of the nobles of Quraysh, consisting of such men as ‘Utbah b. Rabi‘ah, Shaybah b. Rabi‘ah, Abu al-Bakhtari b. Hisham, al-Aswad b. al-Muttalib, al-Walid b. al-Mughirah, Abu Jahl b. Hisham, al-‘As b. Wa’il and Nubayh and Munabbih, the sons of al-Hajjaj, went to Abu Talib and said, “Abu Talib, your nephew has reviled our gods, denounced our religion, derided our traditional values and told us that our forefathers were misguided.

      Even your historians admit that your false prophet started hostilities wioth the Meccans, attacking their gods.

      “allah revealed to him that these wooden images the pagan erected with their hands were not the same as the god of their forefathers abraham and ishmael.they were being deceived by satan.is that an insult?”

      Muhammad, the paedophile, was a false prophet who received revelations of Satan himself. Allah is not God, it’s the father of lies, as anyone who reads the quran can attest, seeing how it is riddled with contradictions, inconsistencies and flat out lies. Surely me pointing out facts is not an insult, right? You know what I’m saying is true, correct?

      “are you siding the pagans that they were right?”

      I’m saying that muhammad insulted the pagans and their gods and, as a result of that, ended up kicked out from Mecca. If the Meccans wanted him dead, there’s be no islam today.

      “when prophet muhammad received catholic christians from najran(somewhere in yemen)and allowed them to pray in his mosque at madina, he told them that according to what was revealed to him their mode of worship resembled that of his brother prophet isa(jesus)except that they missed the truth along the line.”

      Citation needed. Anyway, that’s just the kind of thing one would expect an envoy of Satan to say, don’t you think? Oh, silly me – you’re a muslim, so you don’t think 🙂

      “that jesus was not god or son of god.he was a messenger of god like other messengers of god before him and himyself after jesus.”

      That’s exactly the kind of thing I’d expect an envoy from Satan to say in order to draw men way from the good path. Look around – the followers of Christ thrive while the followers of muhammad live in squalor – except for the handful of few who are lucky enough to be living on a pile of liquid gold, and those don’t care whether their coreligionists live a life with a modicum of dignity or are forced into eating rats and mud pies.

      “the catholic christian visitors never felt that prophet prophet muhammad insulted their god.they told prophet muhammad that they were still satisfied with their belief sytem.then prophet said no one should harm them.let them stick to what they believed.they were allies.the verse was then revealed”no compulsion in religion”.”

      Nope. The context of the “there’s no compulsion in religion” is given in Sunan Abu Dawood, book 14, number 2676:

      When the children of a woman (in pre-Islamic days) did not survive, she took a vow on herself that if her child survives, she would convert it a Jew. When Banu an-Nadir were expelled (from Arabia), there were some children of the Ansar (Helpers) among them. They said: We shall not leave our children. So Allah the Exalted revealed; “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error.”

      “the pagan meccans,on the other, not only objected to what prophet told them that these woodene idols were not true god,they insisted that prophet muhammad must abandon his religion and joine idol worship.when he refused they started persecuting him and his followers.”

      Again: according to islamic sources, the Meccans didn’t give a rat’s ass about islam and muhammad until muhammad started insulting their Gods.

      “i hope you get the point.”

      The point is, you lie. A lot.

      “for true state of things, i refer you to philip k. hiti islamic history.if can read arabic i refer you to tantawy hadaratul islamiyya”

      Are they more trustworthy than Al-Tabari or Guillaume? Because I find no fault in them.

  25. somehistory says

    Nov 30, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    None of them have ever felt like a *normal* person feels, so when there is an attack and people are injured or murdered, they can only feel what they would do if the attack happened against moslims…and they would retaliate.

    And it is all made up on the part of those who know normal people won’t retaliate, so they can continue to play victim and cause all conversations to be positive about islam and none of it truthful. So they pretend that they expect people to do things that they would do…not just say things like biting the hand that feeds you…but real *backlash*…a lashing on the back or a fist to the face.

    It is all for control of the population. A small portion of the population is killed or severely injured, but the *terror* is felt by all who hear about it. And when everyone is feeling the effects, then bring on the pity party for those who are planning the next attack. Keep truth out of the conversation and say “oh poor us”…”we are so afraid”…”but we’ll do what we have to anyway, boo hoo,”

    This is the plan: to keep attacking and throwing pity parties until complete control and subjugation. At that time, there will be attacks and killing, but they won’t need the pity parties as they will be in control.

  26. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 1, 2016 at 2:00 am

    angemon, it appears to me that you are among irresponsible evangelist liars.i was thinking you can see reason,yet you still stick to those old evangelist lies against islam to save filthy mithraist christianity now stripped naked in the west.your arguements are just bare denial not addressing issues with atleast minimum objectivity.you adopt the same style of insults like a mad christian evangelist,sam shamoun, whom we roundly flooded to the ground to the point that he could not talk except insults.that theory of moon god has been debunked and dismissed even by serious christian scholars.read the verse”don’t prostrate or pray to sun or moon, pray to allah who created them”.how can the moon be the same as allah who created it?the moon symbol being used by some muslims represents the month of fasting.it was never used during the time of prophet muhammad.again,christian arabs even before islam refered to god as allah.were they worshiping moon?even pagan arabs did not have system of worship like moon god.they did not have any idol refered to as allah.they have hubal or baal as their chief god.allah says don’t worship baal. mr angemon, that is why i said you are basing your analysis on assumptions and trial and error not on sound verifiable data.if you are sincere in criticising islam, i advise you to study subject areas like usulul fiqh, balagha,nahw, adab,sira,mantiq, standard tafasi, to enable you understand islamic sources better.but if you are only interested in mere insults,we will not take you as serious intellectual,but ignorant liar.

    • Angemon says

      Dec 1, 2016 at 7:33 am

      ibrahim itace muhammed posted:

      “angemon, it appears to me that you are among irresponsible evangelist liars.”

      I think you need to pick a story and stick with it. First I was a Christian evangelist, then I was a Jew and now I’m a Christian evangelist again. And exactly, according to you, where am I lying?

      “i was thinking you can see reason”

      I.e., swallow the islamic lies.

      “yet you still stick to those old evangelist lies against islam”

      Again: according to you, exactly where did I lie?

      “to save filthy mithraist christianity now stripped naked in the west.”

      The historically Christian West is doing great, thank you very much. Can’t say the same about muslim s***holes.

      “your arguements are just bare denial not addressing issues with atleast minimum objectivity.”

      I *quoted* from islamic texts that prove you are wrong. Your response? “blah blah, christian evangelist liar”. I’d say I struck a nerve.

      “you adopt the same style of insults”

      What “insults” are you talking about? Your own sources? They say you are lying. Your satanic false prophet started hostilities with the Meccans.

      “like a mad christian evangelist,sam shamoun, whom we roundly flooded to the ground to the point that he could not talk except insults.”

      Is Sam Shamoun living in your head?

      “that theory of moon god has been debunked and dismissed even by serious christian scholars.”

      Citation needed.

      “read the verse”don’t prostrate or pray to sun or moon, pray to allah who created them”.how can the moon be the same as allah who created it?”

      Moon *GOD*. Funny how you accuse me of lying but you need to lie about what I said to “prove” that I’m lying…

      “the moon symbol being used by some muslims represents the month of fasting.it was never used during the time of prophet muhammad.”

      So it’s bidah and therefore haram.

      “again,christian arabs even before islam refered to god as allah.were they worshiping moon?”

      And there you go, reduced to discussing semantics. Just shoes how intellectually bankrupt you are… “Allah” is the arabic word for “god”, isn’t it?

      “even pagan arabs did not have system of worship like moon god.they did not have any idol refered to as allah.”

      And now pagan arabs did not have Gods. This is rich!

      “they have hubal or baal as their chief god.”

      So hubal and baal were allah.

      “allah says don’t worship baal.”

      Allah also says that the earth is flat. Not someone one should be listening to…

      “mr angemon, that is why i said you are basing your analysis on assumptions and trial and error not on sound verifiable data.”

      Says the guy who is flip-flopping around…

      “if you are sincere in criticising islam, i advise you to study subject areas like usulul fiqh, balagha,nahw, adab,sira,mantiq, standard tafasi, to enable you understand islamic sources better.”

      You mean, like the islamic sources I quoted from to point out that muhammad started insulting the Meccans and their gods and that no genocide took place? I see you’re not addressing that. Because you can’t. Because it’s the truth.

      “but if you are only interested in mere insults,we will not take you as serious intellectual,but ignorant liar.”

      Huh, what else is new? You’ve been calling me a “liar” since you started to post here. Anyway, I see you don’t dispute that it was your satanic false prophet that provoked the Meccans by insulting their Gods. I also see that you consider anything i say about your little pagan mood god as an “insult” – didn’t you ask me how could muhammad insult their gods? Well, take what I said and reverse it – instead of saying that allah is the pagan moon god, have it be that the pagan moon god is allah. Now you see how he was insulting their gods? No, of course not – you’re a bigot.

    • Angemon says

      Dec 1, 2016 at 7:53 am

      P.S.: you claim that the pagan worshipped idols. What kind of idols did they worship, and how did they worship them? Did they, for example, worship a black stone by kissing it? Circle around the kaabaa? Threw stones at the devil? Because that’s the kind of things I’d expect pagan idol worshippers to do.

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