Anything to keep him out of the Oval Office! This is one of the more entertaining examples of conspiracy paranoia coming from Islamic supremacists.
“In bizarre ‘birther’ twist, claims Trump is Pakistani,” Times of Israel, November 13, 2016:
After years leading the false charge that President Barack Obama was born outside of the United States, President-elect Donald Trump is facing his own minor “birtherism” moment, with a Pakistani television network claiming the New Yorker was born in Pakistan.
“Believe it or not, presidential candidate Donald Trump was born in Pakistan and not in America,” the Urdu-language Neo News reported last month in a video clip that went viral after Trump’s election victory on November 8.
The report, not unlike the claims once made against Obama, appears to have originated with social media posts positing unsourced theories about Trump’s birth and previously unknown life in the Islamic Republic.
According to Neo News, Trump was born as Dawood Ibrahim Khan in the now-Taliban-controlled Waziristan region of the country in 1954. After his parents were killed in a car accident, a British Indian Army captain took little Dawood to London, where the Trump family later adopted him and brought him to America, the report claimed.
Citing numerous tweets to back up the story, Neo News even provided a photo of the alleged young Trump, wearing what appears to be traditional Pakistani boys’ garb.
If Trump were born in Pakistan he would be ineligible to serve as US president….

Aussietrev says
That would be seriously the worst photoshop job I’ve ever seen, head way too big for the body and growing out of the left shoulder. Come on guys, you must be able to do better than that.
Jay Boo says
Hillary is behind this.
Susette says
JayBoo and others…It’s time to quit demonizing Hillary. She lost the election. Those of us that voted for her are moving on and accepting Trump as our President-elect. It doesn’t help unify the country, as Trump says he wants to do, when insults continue to be hurled at her post-election.
Allan says
Take your own advice about not demonizing your adversaries. Further, a good faith gesture on your part is in order now, and I have an idea to help you with that:
Condemn Her Highness for her hateful hypocrisy, and for that of her supporters, too.
P. S. It’s obvious that you told a lie when you wrote that “Those of us that voted for her are moving on and accepting Trump as our President-elect”. We await your apology for that, too.
Susette says
I demonized no one in my comment, Allen. Nor do I wish to condemn Hillary. Not clear what my “lie” was when I stated “Those of us that voted for her are moving on and accepting Trump as our President-elect”. Just because I ask that some on JW tone down their strident hate-filled comments about others is not demonizing, lying or necessitating apology. Just move on…Perpetuating hate may just be a projection of how you feel about yourself.
gravenimage says
Alas, Susette, we are still seeing stories like this one:
“Hillary stokes riots, says Muslims, gays ‘scared to death” after election'”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/hillary-stokes-riots-says-muslims-gays-scared-to-death-after-election
Ed says
But according to US law, Killary has committed innumerable felonies over the 30+ years that her vile organism has oozed around US political circles infecting all she touched. Yes, she lost the election (Thank God!), but she’s still very much a liar, a thief, an extortionist, a perverted sexual deviant, a murderess & a traitor. As such, Killary has earned the right to either spend the rest of her life in prison or, perhaps more fittingly, be subjected to capital punishment in public televised live worldwide.
Lynne says
How are more Americans not aware of the criminality of Hillary Clinton? I am a Canadian and I know about her and Bill’s checkered past. People get wrapped up in Trump’s “bad” talk and don’t see that what she has done far exceeds his misdeeds.
BC says
Actually if you observe his left shoulder is pressed against a wall so his lead only appears to be off centre!
Creole Gumbo says
Ditto
nothosaur says
What a great, clear, sharp, film, photograph from 1959!!
Someone find the photographer and give him a reward for his art!
Jay Boo says
NPR is furious and asks,”how dare they question his birthplace.”
(sarc)
maghan says
But Hillary was the original instigator of the “birther issue”. What has NPR said about this?
Peggy says
So Trump’s parents were blonde Pakistanis.
Why haven’t I seen that in Ripley’s Believe it or not?
Mazo says
Trump is not a Pakistani but blonde Pakistanis exist.
Kalash pagans in Pakistan have blonde hair and colored eyes.
Hunza Ismaili Muslims in Pakistan also have blonde hair and colored eyes.
A small minority of Pashtun Sunni Muslims in Pakistan and Afghanistan have blonde hair and colored eyes although most of them have dark hair and dark eyes.
Peggy says
So we are also limiting him to be a member of Kalash people.
DNA wise they are not true Pakistanis/ When Alexander the great conquered that region and his army was busy populating that area Pakistan wasn’t Pakistan. They have lived in isolation ever since and not mixed with others.
Anyway, Trump is not a Kalash.
Baucent says
Actually I think those blonde/blue eye genes can be blamed on the Aryans.
Mazo says
Kalash people aren’t descended from Greeks. They did DNA tests on them.
http ://world.greekreporter. com/2015/06/02/new-study-denies-the-greek-origin-of-kalash-tribe-in-pakistan/
http ://en.protothema. gr/study-kalash-people-are-not-the-descendants-of-alexander-the-great/
Hunza people who have colored hair and eyes aren’t even Indo-European, unlike the majority of Pakistanis who are.
JIMJFOX says
Very helpful, Muslim troll. Go away. BLOCKED!!
Nan Barr says
Trump looks like his dad and his mother’s Scottish dad.
Paul Clark says
He was? Did little Dawood Kahn Trump convert to Islam too? By the way does anyone have a bridge for sale? The democrats are looking for one.
Taurus Caerulus says
How poor.
Trumpster says
I thought Bagdad Bob died!
gravenimage says
Pakistani TV: “Trump was born in Pakistan and not in America”!
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Even by Muslim standards, this is retarded…
Ernie says
Dear Gravenimage : “Even by Muslim standards , this is retarded…”. This ‘news’ about Mr.Trump being born in Pakistan , is meant for LOCAL CONSUMPTION ………. Many local retards will swallow it as a ‘ , truth ‘. We know how flexible/bendable/the perception of ‘truth’ is when muslims are( trying to advance their case) involved . Islam is a lie invented by the greatest of deceivers….: satan .
Jack Diamond says
Well, the Times of Israel is happily spreading around the nonsense just so they can say at the end:
“Trump’s campaign rhetoric included calls for a ban on Muslim immigrants entering the US, followed by promises of “extreme vetting” of immigrants from countries affected by terrorism. That policy could presumably retroactively apply to Trump himself, if the reports of his Pakistani birth amount to more than his own Obama birther claims.”
Peggy says
I think Trump can prove who his parents are and where he was born very quickly.
gravenimage says
Oh, I am well aware of the elastic Muslim sense of truth, Ernie.
And Jack, I am sorry to hear the Times of Israel enabling this absurd tosh.
Free Bacon says
When Trump was born there was no color photo!!!! and definitely not in Pakistan…..hahahhaha
Lynne says
And 1954 would make him 5-6 years younger than he is.
Lioness says
He was born in 1946. That would make him 8 years younger. So what was all the fuss about him being the oldest president ever? He is only 62, but pretends to be 70, right?
gravenimage says
Ha ha
Nan Barr says
He was born in 1946. JUST like me.
Lucia Bartoli says
Actually I have a little t of color pics taken in 1954 at Christmas. There was also coke film on the 8mm Kodak “Super 8”
But for the record this is a pathetic photoshop job-yikes
Lucia Bartoli says
I meant to say “color@. Darned predictive text.
Jeebus says
You are ill informed. There was color photography during world war two.. You are wrong about photographic history so you might just be wrong about where your Idol of bigotry was born… HAHAHA!
bleeps says
These news are for the laughing stock! Seriously there are some news channels that try intricate and funny and extremely funny conspiracionist news title! They are only good to laugh not to believe! Take it as it is and laugh it!
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
This report says he was born in 1954, which disagrees with the Wikipedia birthdate of June 14, 1946.
Nan Barr says
Flag day!
Jack Diamond says
Dawood Ibrahim Khan. Are they trying to say he’s a DIK?
Jay Boo says
XD
Mohamed Kawach says
Hahaha, come on folks! NOW I AGREE THAT TRUMP, LIKE HILLARY OR KILLARY ARE BOTH HORRIBLE, EQUALLY HORRIBLE AND ARE IN NO WAY ELIGABLE FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT. TRUMP LIKE HILLARY IS A SATANIST, AN OCCULTIST AND IS A MEMBER OF THE ELITE ILLUMINATI SATANIC GROUP WHO VOW TO BRING ON THE WORLD ORDER SATAN PLANS FOR THE WORLD. TRUMP LIKE CLINTON IS THE SON OF HIS FATHER THE DEVIL. NOW I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS THE LAST USA PRESIDENT AND I AM ALMOST CERTAIN THAT SOMETHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT THIS HORRIBLE THING IS, I DONT KNOW. ALL I KNOW GHOUGH IS GHAT SATAN HAS PLANS FOR GHR DESTRUCTION OF THE USA AND GHAG TRUMP AND HILLARY AFE BOTH FULFULLING WHATS BEING ASKED OF THEM BY THEIR PUPPET MASTERS. LET US WAIT AND SEE FOLKS
gravenimage says
What ever is this Mohamed ranting about?
Mark Swan says
I am sure He does not know either gravenimage
gravenimage says
🙂
Aussietrev says
Someone forgot to take their meds obviously because it cannot even work out where the Caps Lock button is let alone string a rational thought together.
Jack Diamond says
If Obama is not the last U.S. President will you promise to go away forever?
Besides, it’s shape-shifting Lizard People that rule the earth…
Jay Boo says
Islam’s Arab Spring was supposed to get rid of corruption, but Muslims forgot the slow bitter emptiness and stench of Islam that rots every Muslims worthless soul.
No WUDU VooDoo can ever cleanse the clinging filth of a sex-slave rapist and 72 virgin blasphemy against all that is pure and sacred.
Islam has no god.
Only a lying buffoon who called himself a prophet.
If Muslims kill me a thousand times a thousand, this fact will always be true.
I will always return again with the truth.
High Hopes says
I also, will always return again with the truth.
Lucia Bartoli says
And I AM the truth. LOL
Champ says
Oh please …
God Almighty says
Most Muslims have the I.Q. of a flattened hedgehog. Perfect proof of that with this story.
Blurb1000 says
This look like a Cold Case kidnapping story of a white boy waiting for reopening.
duh swami says
Islamic fiction writers at it again…Their greatest work or fiction is the Quran…
If Obama ma had a real Hawaiian birth certificate, why did he show us a poorly done forgery?
Islam_Macht_Frei says
Fortunately, Bill Maher has already forced Trump to reveal his birth certificate, so this story is falsified right out of the gate.
mustapha crap says
Pakistan was not even in existence when Trump was born, It was all India under British rule until 1947 when Britain pulled out and the Muslims started kicking off as usual and Pakistan was formed.
This little article has tickled me no end on an otherwise damp start of the working week.
Dawood J Trump I ‘spose the J stands for Jamal or something equally as ridiculous. I would imagine the Donald is wetting himself with laughter reading about this
Angemon says
Is it false?
Oh, is that so? Well, in that case, Americans should round up all the people rioting and toss them to Pakistan, where they are free to express their hate of Trump on those who allegedly deserve it the most. Also, someone should let John Oliver know that, in addition to being an unfunny comedian, he’s also a terrible “fact”-finder.
Shmooviyet says
Yes, the Hillary crybabies and the Pakis will forge new, temporary ‘friendships’ designing signs together.
Afterwards, the Trump haters will discover how their new friends really feel about multiculturalism.
Pete says
Hah, stupid muslims, think they know better.
Or is it, in their hatred of Trump, they want to show him as an apostate from islum and an incitement for rabid muslims to carry out islamic justice?
Shmooviyet says
Someone’s been watching too many silent or early talkie ‘melo-dramas’– do they see Turner Classic Movies in Pakistan?
“After his parents were killed in a car crash he was adopted…” usually it’s a carriage accident.
Ciudadano says
Trump’s unrecognized son?
Francis Merde says
LOL, Trump had brown hair when he was younger. He started dyeing it blond when it began to show signs of gray.
gravenimage says
True, Francis.
Mong says
That’s a digital photograph. Digital photography didn’t exist when Trump was that age. You’d think these guys would put together a half decent image to support their ludicrous claims. This is mind blowingly strange. Who do they think will believe this stuff? Incredible.
Voytek Gagalka says
“War is deceit” said once their “prophet.” Islamic world not from yesterday is rampant with variety of conspiracy theories of all sorts (even 911 they put in that class while enthusiastically celebrating its tragic outcome). I think that even the very existence of Mohammed is the product of that same sort of conspiracy theory. And what proofs they have to back up such allegations (of Mr. Trump being Pakistani)? Just few tweets? Apparently photoshopped image? Really? Nice try! Only those who become totally brainwashed from hearing constant daily recitation of Koranic verses can be hooked on such an obvious scam!
El Cid says
Hey Folks!
We are always criticizing the Muslims for not having a sense of humor.
This is not SERIOUS folks.
It’s rather funny.
Francis Merde says
WHAT?! Donald Trump was born in Queens. His brownstone childhood home recently went up for auction. It literally had his father’s name on it.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/09/09/watch-inside-edition-tours-donald-trumps-childhood-home/
Thought_Weaver says
Doesn’t get better than this ?.
Kay says
I kinda hope this picture stays up for a long time; it’s so ridiculous that it makes me laugh. So many of the other stories are just horrible.
Crusades Were Right! says
The era of paying attention to anything Mohammedan Retardistans have to say is now OVER!
Make the West great again!
Kenneth T Tellis says
Paki put the kettle on, let’s have chai!
Denise Smith says
Hilary supporters they believed it because they are gullible
joe says
trump was born in new york
Brian Hoff says
It is pay back for what trump said that our current president wasnot born in america how do you bigot like the pay back.
gravenimage says
What a twit.
rooare says
Well if he’s Pakistani why are Muslims so upset about his election as POTUS, they should be overjoyed that one of their own is now the leader of the USA, or is that the great Satan. Got a good laugh out of this article.
AtheistAmerican says
Hey, it worked for Trump…
common sense says
Didn’t see this coming…man that is just weird and desperate. Iran, N Korean, ISIS anyone? Pakistan has WAY more issues to deal with than concocting this twittle twaddle.
Kenneth T Tellis says
It must be the opium TEA that is being smuggled into Pakistan from across the border in Afghanistan, That is giving them hallucinations. Now you can forget the Arabian Nights and savour of Pakistani Nights. Trump the Pakistani is the main actor in this comedy!
Juanita says
Wouldn’t that child’s pale skin be burnt to a crisp in that climate?
ibrahim itace muhammed says
christianity is the most barbaric and savage way of life spread by genocide and lies, because it was evolved from pagan mithraism of old invented by devil the father of lies.christian west used to commit all forms of atrocities like brutal crusade wars where more 20 million muslims killed,savage transatlantic slave trade,colonisation and stealing of other nations’s resources.now mad donal trump promises to lead them to commit genocide on muslims again.yet christians say filthy christianity is a religion of love.it is a lie.christianity is a religion of hate and madness.how can a rational human being accept to worship his fellow human being as god,yet you say there is one god?
Angemon says
ibrahim itace muhammed posted:
“christianity is the most barbaric and savage way of life spread by genocide and lies, because it was evolved from pagan mithraism of old invented by devil the father of lies.”
No, that would be islam. And you muslims are so easy to fool that the devil laughes in your faces and doesn’t even try to hide it. Circling the kaabaa? That was a pagan ritual. Kissing a black stone? Idolatry, and the pagans did it.
“christian west used to commit all forms of atrocities like brutal crusade wars where more 20 million muslims killed”
First of all, hat’s false. Second, even if it were true, ow many Christians did your coreligionists killed in the centuries before the Crusades were called for? The Crusades were a small-scale, completely justified, reaction to centuries of unprovoked muslim aggression on Christians.
“,savage transatlantic slave trade,”
They bought their slaves from muslim slave traders. It was muslims who went and captured slaves in Africa and Europe. And from all places where slaves capture by muslims could end up, the transatlantic trade was the best option. What happened to the many millions of African slaves taken into muslim lands? Castrated so they wouldn’t reproduce, and treated as expendable animals – after all, if one died from abuse, they could just go buy another one.
“colonisation and stealing of other nations’s resources.”
Are you kidding me? European colonisation was relatively short when compared with the colonisation done by muslims. And overall, European nations actually left things better than it was when they got there.
“now mad donal trump promises to lead them to commit genocide on muslims again.”
Donald Trump promised no such thing, and I dare you to prove otherwise.
“yet christians say filthy christianity is a religion of love.”
Which it is. Heck, go read the testimony of muslim converts to Christianity – many, many say that what caused a shock to their system was that the Bible told them to love their enemies. Quite the contrast from the “kill kill kill” mandated by the quran.
“it is a lie.christianity is a religion of hate and madness.”
It is a lie that Christianity is a religion of hate and madness.
“how can a rational human being accept to worship his fellow human being as god,yet you say there is one god?”
Are you sure you’re talking about Christianity? You worship a man – muhammad.
Lynne says
Many atrocities were done in the middle and dark ages by many peoples. The thing is now that only Islam still performs them while other faiths such as Christianity and Judaism pracitice love and forgiveness. No such thing exists in Islam.
gravenimage says
Talk about projection!
Not only was the African slave trade begun by Muslims–as Angemon notes–but Muslims are the *only* ones practicing slavery today. An estimated 17% of Mauritanians are enslaved, and Muslims have *revived* slavery in the Islamic State, where Christian and Yezidi girls are used as sex slaves.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
angemon,you have proved that christianity is a religion of liars invented by devil the father of lies.you claimed that muslims worship muhammad.how?why you don’t care to know the true nature of islam before you criticise it.your evil bible stated that jesus was a man,yet you worship him as god.muslims are saying this is continuation of paganist mithraism of old taught by satan not by prophet isa(jesus)mentioned in the qur’an as one of the most important messengers of god.any way you still cherish christianity due to ignorance about its origin.i refer you to bart erhman’s criticism on christianity to know that you are a barbaric pagan.one jewish rabbi described filthy christianity to be fit for wild animals only.it means you have lost your human rationality and become wild animal
Angemon says
ibrahim itace muhammed posted:
“angemon,you have proved that christianity is a religion of liars invented by devil the father of lies.”
In that case, you might as well address me as “Allah” because I’ve done the impossible – who else but a God could prove something that’s blatantly false?
“you claimed that muslims worship muhammad.how?”
Like this: muslims worship muhammad. Easy peasy. Don’t try to deny it, I’ve read your books and listened to your preachers. Whatever muhammad did you try to emulate as closely as possible. Take muhammad and its actions out of islam and you get nothing. How many times are you supposed to pray per day? You don’t get that from the quran. The five pillars of islam? Also not in the quran. Can you drink alcohol or not? The quran is contradictory, you need muhammad to sort it out.
“why you don’t care to know the true nature of islam before you criticise it.”
From the looks of it,I know more about islam than 99% of muslims worldwide.
“your evil bible stated that jesus was a man,yet you worship him as god.”
First of all, I’m not Christian., Second, go read the Bible and learn about Christianity before you mouth off about things you have no knowledge about.
“muslims are saying this is continuation of paganist mithraism of old taught by satan not by prophet isa(jesus)mentioned in the qur’an as one of the most important messengers of god.”
That’s exactly what one would expect a false prophet to say if he meant to mislead people away from goodness and into an evil death cult. You muslims do a s***load of pagan rituals. Circling the kaabaa? Pagans did it. Stoning the devil? Pagans did it. Kissing the black stone? Pagans did it.
“any way you still cherish christianity due to ignorance about its origin.”
No, I cherish Christianity because I can see its fruits. Nations who have historically been Christian are civilized, technological advanced places. Nations which have historically been muslim are barbaric, backward s***holes.
“i refer you to bart erhman’s criticism on christianity”
Is he a muslim? If not, why are you relying on him? Shouldn’t you be able to prove your point simply by resorting to islamic orthodoxy? That’s how weak your religion is.
“to know that you are a barbaric pagan.”
First you said I was a Christian, now you say that I’m a pagan. Make up your mind, will you? I’m not the one trying to imitate a murderous child rapist who lead a gang of highway robbers, you are. Do you kiss the black stone with that filthy mouth?
“one jewish rabbi described filthy christianity to be fit for wild animals only.”
Lol!!! Now you’re taking the words of an alleged rabbi as if they’re Gospel? Doesn’t your little nasty book says that Jews are the descendants of pigs and apes?
“it means you have lost your human rationality and become wild animal”
Far from it. That’s just you projecting. You, not me, are a wild animal without any semblance of humanity. Do you not worship a child rapist murderous gang leader? Do you not practice rituals that the pagans of old practised? Are you not here insulting people because of their religion? Hit the road, you filthy cur. Go back to your s***hole of choice where women are stoned for reporting rapes and non-muslims are treated as subhuman trash.
gravenimage says
I didn’t realize until just now that Muslim troll ibrahim itace muhammed had been such a busy little beaver on this thread:
angemon,you have proved that christianity is a religion of liars invented by devil the father of lies.you claimed that muslims worship muhammad.how?
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Muslims may not technically worship Muhammed, but they rarely mention “Allah”, while slavishly following every action of their foul “Prophet”, including raping nine-year-old children and drinking camel piss.
How does any of that “have proved that christianity is a religion of liars”? Like most Mohammedans, this one seems incapable of rational thought.
In any case, Angemon is not a Christian. But so many Muslims assume that any native Westerner is a “Crusader”.
As to the nature of Islam, we Anti-Jihadists know far more than we ever wished to about that vile creed.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
angemon,you are confused.you said you are not a christian and later turned back and said you cherish christianity because christian society is technologically advance,while muslim society is laging behind.is that a criteria for the validity of a religion? afterall christian west borrowed the basis of modern technology from muslim word.check the history.we are saying christianity evolved from pagan mithraism of old invented by devil the father of lies and deceptions.kaaba and blackstone are not pagan shrines.they existed from the time of adam down to abraham the father of faith.it was after ishmael that satan deceived arabs to changed monotheist religion to idol worship and brought idols into these places meant for worshiping only one god.later allah sent light to arabs through prophet muhammad that this is wrong.the idols were removed and kaaba returned to its originial purpose as symbol of worshiping one god as adam down to abraham and ishmael had been doing.angemon you did’nt care to know this truth,but relied on concocted lies framed by rogues like sam shamoun
Angemon says
ibrahim itace muhammed posted:
“angemon,you are confused.you said you are not a christian and later turned back and said you cherish christianity because christian society is technologically advance,while muslim society is laging behind.is that a criteria for the validity of a religion?”
Confused? Far from it. You, on the other hand… I don’t need to be a Christian to cherish Christianity anymore than I need to be a muslim to hate islam. Also, try to stick to what I said because replying to things I didn’t say will get you nowhere – for example, I never made the claim that technological advance was a criteria for the validity of a religion. I don’t cherish a religion because I’m allegedly ignorant of its origin, I cherish it because I see it had a good effect on the people. Nations who are historically Christians are technologically advanced and the people there can enjoy a standard of living never seen before in human history. Nations who have historically been muslim are s***holes from where their citizens ran from as fast as they can – and they run to nations who have historically been Christians.
“afterall christian west borrowed the basis of modern technology from muslim word.”
Utter hogwash. Disgusting lies from islamic apologists. Modern technology DID NOT originate from the islamic world, and if you are going to claim it did, then bring forth proof. For example, the internet, which you’re using to post your messages – where was it invented?
“check the history.we are saying christianity evolved from pagan mithraism of old invented by devil the father of lies and deceptions.”
Who is this “we” you’re talking about? And why is it that you need to steal from the religion you claim to be “evolved from pagan mithraism of old invented by devil the father of lies and deceptions”? Repeating the same thing over and over won’t make it true, you know?
“.kaaba and blackstone are not pagan shrines.”
Yes, they are. And the rituals I mentioned were conducted by pagans long before islam was invented in the 8th century by a warlord trying to glue together a patchwork of warring tribes.
“they existed from the time of adam down to abraham the father of faith.it was after ishmael that satan deceived arabs to changed monotheist religion to idol worship and brought idols into these places meant for worshiping only one god.later allah sent light to arabs through prophet muhammad that this is wrong.the idols were removed and kaaba returned to its originial purpose as symbol of worshiping one god as adam down to abraham and ishmael had been doing.”
Citation needed.
“angemon you did’nt care to know this truth,”
You have yet to prove that’s the truth. I know those allegations, I simply disregard them because there’s no evidence to back them up.
“but relied on concocted lies framed by rogues like sam shamoun”
Funny how you have acknowledge that the kaabaa and black stone were indeed used by pagans before the invention of islam – how are you trying to pass it as a lie concocted by Sam Shamoun?
gravenimage says
I didn’t realize until just now that Muslim troll ibrahim itace muhammed had been such a busy little beaver on this thread:
angemon,you have proved that christianity is a religion of liars invented by devil the father of lies.you claimed that muslims worship muhammad.how?
…………………………….
Muslims may not technically worship Muhammed, but they rarely mention “Allah”, while slavishly following every action of their foul “Prophet”, including raping nine-year-old children and drinking camel piss.
How does any of that “have proved that christianity is a religion of liars”? Like most Mohammedans, this one seems incapable of rational thought.
In any case, Angemon is not a Christian. But so many Muslims assume that any native Westerner is a “Crusader”.
gravenimage says
My above comment was posted in the wrong place–apologies.
More from ibrahim itace muhammed:
why you don’t care to know the true nature of islam before you criticise it.your evil bible stated that jesus was a man,yet you worship him as god.
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Angemon is not Christian. But in any case, it should not surprise that this Mohammedan appears to have no problem with child rape, sex slavery, and genocide, but is apoplectic over the idea that God could appear as a man. This is Muslim “morality” in action.
More:
muslims are saying this is continuation of paganist mithraism of old taught by satan not by prophet isa(jesus)mentioned in the qur’an as one of the most important messengers of god.
…………………………….
Yes, yes, we all know that in Islam the role of “Jesus”–really, the foul “Isa”–is to slaughter Christians in the last days. Why would Christians–or any Westerners–want to listen to this vicious claptrap?
The idea that he is quoting a Jewish Rabbi to (supposedly) back up his bile is grimly hilarious, considering that Islam is genocidal in its hatred of the Jews.
More:
any way you still cherish christianity due to ignorance about its origin…it means you have lost your human rationality and become wild animal
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Says the barbarian whose creed leads him to behead aid workers and crucify boys who run afoul of Ramadan…
Talk about projection!
More:
angemon,you are confused.you said you are not a christian and later turned back and said you cherish christianity
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This is not a contradiction at all. Many other rational Agnostics and Atheists here, such as Wellington and Mirren, respect Christianity because its values have formed the basis of civilized, human, and advanced societies.
More:
afterall christian west borrowed the basis of modern technology from muslim word.
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Well, that’s just hilarious. Doesn’t this fool realize that there are quite a few historians here, including myself? The idea that Islam invented mathematics and high tech–both tossed around by apologists for Islam–is quite false.
In any case, the proof is in the pudding–Muslim countries *do* lag behind the West – behind most of Dar-al-Harb, in fact–in almost every way: civilizationally, technologically, educationally, and especially humanely.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
angemon,you are mad christian evangelist simplicita trying at all cost to malign islam, which stripped your pagan christianity naked.christianity is similar to arab paganism darkness(jahiliyya)demolished by islam, and arabs and other races liberated from satanic deceptions.arabs worshiped idols during this period by erecting wooden statutes they called daughters of god(eg lat, uzza and manat)as representation of god on earth exactly as christians borrowed mithraist concept and elevated jesus to be god on earth as result of influence of roman paganism of mithraism.i still refer you to erhman’s critique on the origin of present day christianity,which evolved during the reign of roman king constantine in 325 at nicea city. it looks as if you are denying the fact that muslims are pioneers of systematic sciences exported to christian west ,which was developed to give rise to modern technological advancement you are talking about.are you illiterate?it is a matter of common knowledge.even a secondary school student on history of science could educate you that muslims during abbasid period molded and systematised crude human knowledge like philosophy,mathematics, medicine, astronomy and architecture to give rise to subject areas like chemistry,physics, scientific mathematics ,scientific medicine, scientific astronomy and architecture.see islam and science by al-naggar.note superiority on human knowledge depends on personal effortt, not religious affiliation.do you know that church opposed science in the west until it was overthrown through revolutions that took place europe?
Angemon says
ibrahim itace muhammed posted:
“angemon,you are mad christian evangelist”
Why is it that you lot always thinking that personal insults equals winning an argument? And blatant falsehoods at that – I’m neither Christian nor evangelist, nor am I mad. Far form it. I would think that the inane ramblings you are spewing out would bore me to death, seeing how it’s virtually how every of your coreligionists answer, but I just keep laughing harder every time – because every time you speak such nonsense, I realize that you’re actually serious. You genuinely believe what you say and you expect to be taken seriously. You have no idea of how insane you come and you *demand* respect. First grade comedy, every single time 😀
“simplicita trying at all cost to malign islam,”
I don’t need to try to do what islam does so well – one read through your little books – cow-ran, sirah, ahadith, etc. – is more than enough to get a fully functioning human being to loathe islam with all of their fibre. And why wouldn’t they? What’s good about trying to imitate a paedophile, rapist, highway robbin’ murderous thug?
“which stripped your pagan christianity naked.”
You keep repeating the same buzzwords. It’s not working, you know? That’s how Hillary lost the elections. “Trump is a racist, misogynist, xenophobe” – repeated over and over without ever explaining why Trump was any of those things. BTW, even if you had proven Christianity to be false – which you didn’t, BTW – that’s not the same as proving islam to be true.
“christianity is similar to arab paganism darkness(jahiliyya)demolished by islam,”
No, islam is similar to arab paganism, like I pointed out: circling the kaabaa, stoning the devil, kissing the black stone (BTW, isn’t the black stone the clitoris of al-Lat?) – all pagan rituals done by muslims. Not Christians, muslims.
“and arabs and other races liberated from satanic deceptions.”
Only those who left islam after learning about the Satanic Verses.
“arabs worshiped idols during this period by erecting wooden statutes they called daughters of god(eg lat, uzza and manat)as representation of god on earth exactly as christians borrowed mithraist concept and elevated jesus to be god on earth as result of influence of roman paganism of mithraism.”
Huh, you realize that arab paganism has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with islam, right?
“i still refer you to erhman’s critique on the origin of present day christianity,which evolved during the reign of roman king constantine in 325 at nicea city.”
Ah, so you have no idea what you’re talking about so you’re just pointing in a general direction and hope something sticks.
“it looks as if you are denying the fact that muslims are pioneers of systematic sciences exported to christian west”
I can’t deny a fact that doesn’t exit. I gave you a specific example: the internet. You are unable to explain me how the internet derived from islam. Arab muslims were living in tents, eating ticks and scorpions and relying on oral traditions when other civilizations were building gigantic buildings, studying the heavenly bodies and creating huge libraries. The idea that illiterate caravan raiders from the desert came and taught something to the Persians or Assyrian should onlly get two reactions out of people: a) a hearty laugh when they first hear about it and b) a sombre face, followed by a even heartier laugh, when they realize the person saying so demands to be taken seriously.
“which was developed to give rise to modern technological advancement you are talking about.”
Then there must be a chain that can be traced back to islamic “science”. I asked you a bout the internet. Please show me this chain.
“are you illiterate?”
No, that’s your “prophet”‘s shtick.
“it is a matter of common knowledge.”
Centuries ago it was a matter of “common knowledge” that the earth was flat. Heck, it says so in the quran. Appeal to numbers is a logical fallacy.
“even a secondary school student on history of science could educate you that muslims during abbasid period molded and systematised crude human knowledge like philosophy,mathematics, medicine, astronomy and architecture to give rise to subject areas like chemistry,physics, scientific mathematics ,scientific medicine, scientific astronomy and architecture.”
Nope. Muslims invaded nations, burned libraries and killed scholars. Whatever shreds of knowledge managed to escape the islamic fury were kept safe by dhimmies and later claimed to be the work of muslims. It’s bad enough that you lot stole everything not nailed to the ground, now you’re also trying to steal abstracts.
“see islam and science by al-naggar.”
Ah, I should learn about islam and science from an islamic source. Not from historians, from an islamic source. Figures…
“note superiority on human knowledge depends on personal effortt, not religious affiliation.”
Huh, you were the one making it about religious affiliation. Nice way to shot down your own argument, LOL!!! 😀 😀 😀
“do you know that church opposed science in the west until it was overthrown through revolutions that took place europe?”
This is sheer nonsense and absolutely false. Go take a cursory look through a list of Western scientists, you’ll find out many of the early ones were religious men – monks, priest, etc. The Church provided their livelihood – they weren’t busy toiling fields or tending to animals so they could afford to do science.
Do you know what occasionalism is?It’s a theory saying that there’s no such thing as cause and effect – everything happens because allah wills it so. You place a log on a fire? It burns because allah wills so, he could just as easily make it turn into a leg of lamb or water. It showed up in Iraq, around the 9th century, brought forth by Abu al-Hasan al-Ash’ari, and it was championed by Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Ghazali, in 11th century Baghdad. How can you claim to have developed science when your official doctrine rebuts the very concept of cause and effect?
gravenimage says
Yet more from ibrahim itace muhammed:
angemon,you are mad christian evangelist simplicita trying at all cost to malign islam,
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Angemon is not Christian, and certainly not an evangelist for that faith. Is this Mohammedan incapable of reading?
As for Islam, that vicious creed maligns itself. Any decent person who reads the texts of Islam and the life of Dark Ages warlord Muhammed knows this.
More:
it looks as if you are denying the fact that muslims are pioneers of systematic sciences exported to christian west ,which was developed to give rise to modern technological advancement you are talking about.are you illiterate?it is a matter of common knowledge.even a secondary school student on history of science could educate you that muslims during abbasid period molded and systematised crude human knowledge like philosophy,mathematics, medicine, astronomy and architecture to give rise to subject areas like chemistry,physics, scientific mathematics ,scientific medicine, scientific astronomy and architecture.
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Only a Mohammdan would consider philosophy ,mathematics, medicine, astronomy and architecture to be “crude human knowledge”. His ignorance is showing rather badly.
And to accuse the erudite Angemon of illiteracy when his own rantings are so semi-literate is nothing but projection.
Note that he never explains, if Muslims invented “chemistry,physics, scientific mathematics ,scientific medicine, scientific astronomy and architecture”–some iffy categories, and even more iffy claims, but let’s set that aside–twhy they are so barbaric and backward today.
More:
see islam and science by al-naggar.
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Ah, yes–El-Naggar has flogged the idea of “science” in the Qur’an–which would include such marvels as the “revelation” that the sun sets in a pool of muddy water, and his ludicrous claim that NASA has confirmed the “splitting of the moon”…
ibrahim itace muhammed says
angemon,you are mad christian evangelist simplicita trying at all cost to malign islam, which stripped your pagan christianity naked.christianity is similar to arab paganism darkness(jahiliyya)demolished by islam, and arabs and other races liberated from satanic deceptions.arabs worshiped idols during this period by erecting wooden statutes they called daughters of god(eg lat, uzza and manat)as representation of god on earth exactly as christians borrowed mithraist concept and elevated jesus to be god on earth as result of influence of roman paganism of mithraism.i still refer you to erhman’s critique on the origin of present day christianity,which evolved during the reign of roman king constantine in 325 at nicea city. it looks as if you are denying the fact that muslims are pioneers of systematic sciences exported to christian west ,which was developed to give rise to modern technological advancement you are talking about.are you illiterate?it is a matter of common knowledge.even a secondary school student on history of science could educate you that muslims during abbasid period molded and systematised crude human knowledge like philosophy,mathematics, medicine, astronomy and architecture to give rise to subject areas like chemistry,physics, scientific mathematics ,scientific medicine, scientific astronomy and architecture.see islam and science by al-naggar.note superiority on human knowledge depends on personal effortt, not religious affiliation.do you know that church opposed science in the west until it was overthrown through revolutions that took place europe?today muslim world is trying to catch up.note wahhabists and their affiliates like isis are promoted and sponsored by christian west to retard progress in muslim world.they are misguided not representing islam
Angemon says
ibrahim itace muhammed posted:
“angemon,you are mad christian evangelist”
Why is it that you lot always thinking that personal insults equals winning an argument? And blatant falsehoods at that – I’m neither Christian nor evangelist, nor am I mad. Far form it. I would think that the inane ramblings you are spewing out would bore me to death, seeing how it’s virtually how every of your coreligionists answer, but I just keep laughing harder every time – because every time you speak such nonsense, I realize that you’re actually serious. You genuinely believe what you say and you expect to be taken seriously. You have no idea of how insane you come and you *demand* respect. First grade comedy, every single time 😀
“simplicita trying at all cost to malign islam,”
I don’t need to try to do what islam does so well – one read through your little books – cow-ran, sirah, ahadith, etc. – is more than enough to get a fully functioning human being to loathe islam with all of their fibre. And why wouldn’t they? What’s good about trying to imitate a paedophile, rapist, highway robbin’ murderous thug?
“which stripped your pagan christianity naked.”
You keep repeating the same buzzwords. It’s not working, you know? That’s how Hillary lost the elections. “Trump is a racist, misogynist, xenophobe” – repeated over and over without ever explaining why Trump was any of those things. BTW, even if you had proven Christianity to be false – which you didn’t, BTW – that’s not the same as proving islam to be true.
“christianity is similar to arab paganism darkness(jahiliyya)demolished by islam,”
No, islam is similar to arab paganism, like I pointed out: circling the kaabaa, stoning the devil, kissing the black stone (BTW, isn’t the black stone the clitoris of al-Lat?) – all pagan rituals done by muslims. Not Christians, muslims.
“and arabs and other races liberated from satanic deceptions.”
Only those who left islam after learning about the Satanic Verses.
“arabs worshiped idols during this period by erecting wooden statutes they called daughters of god(eg lat, uzza and manat)as representation of god on earth exactly as christians borrowed mithraist concept and elevated jesus to be god on earth as result of influence of roman paganism of mithraism.”
Huh, you realize that arab paganism has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with islam, right?
“i still refer you to erhman’s critique on the origin of present day christianity,which evolved during the reign of roman king constantine in 325 at nicea city.”
Ah, so you have no idea what you’re talking about so you’re just pointing in a general direction and hope something sticks.
“it looks as if you are denying the fact that muslims are pioneers of systematic sciences exported to christian west”
I can’t deny a fact that doesn’t exit. I gave you a specific example: the internet. You are unable to explain me how the internet derived from islam. Arab muslims were living in tents, eating ticks and scorpions and relying on oral traditions when other civilizations were building gigantic buildings, studying the heavenly bodies and creating huge libraries. The idea that illiterate caravan raiders from the desert came and taught something to the Persians or Assyrian should onlly get two reactions out of people: a) a hearty laugh when they first hear about it and b) a sombre face, followed by a even heartier laugh, when they realize the person saying so demands to be taken seriously.
“which was developed to give rise to modern technological advancement you are talking about.”
Then there must be a chain that can be traced back to islamic “science”. I asked you a bout the internet. Please show me this chain.
“are you illiterate?”
No, that’s your “prophet”‘s shtick.
“it is a matter of common knowledge.”
Centuries ago it was a matter of “common knowledge” that the earth was flat. Heck, it says so in the quran. Appeal to numbers is a logical fallacy.
“even a secondary school student on history of science could educate you that muslims during abbasid period molded and systematised crude human knowledge like philosophy,mathematics, medicine, astronomy and architecture to give rise to subject areas like chemistry,physics, scientific mathematics ,scientific medicine, scientific astronomy and architecture.”
Nope. Muslims invaded nations, burned libraries and killed scholars. Whatever shreds of knowledge managed to escape the islamic fury were kept safe by dhimmies and later claimed to be the work of muslims. It’s bad enough that you lot stole everything not nailed to the ground, now you’re also trying to steal abstracts.
“see islam and science by al-naggar.”
Ah, I should learn about islam and science from an islamic source. Not from historians, from an islamic source. Figures…
“note superiority on human knowledge depends on personal effortt, not religious affiliation.”
Huh, you were the one making it about religious affiliation. Nice way to shot down your own argument, LOL!!! 😀 😀 😀
“do you know that church opposed science in the west until it was overthrown through revolutions that took place europe?”
This is sheer nonsense and absolutely false. Go take a cursory look through a list of Western scientists, you’ll find out many of the early ones were religious men – monks, priest, etc. The Church provided their livelihood – they weren’t busy toiling fields or tending to animals so they could afford to do science.
Do you know what occasionalism is?It’s a theory saying that there’s no such thing as cause and effect – everything happens because allah wills it so. You place a log on a fire? It burns because allah wills so, he could just as easily make it turn into a leg of lamb or water. It showed up in Iraq, around the 9th century, brought forth by Abu al-Hasan al-Ash’ari, and it was championed by Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Ghazali, in 11th century Baghdad. How can you claim to have developed science when your official doctrine rebuts the very concept of cause and effect?
“today muslim world is trying to catch up.”
You’ll never, ever catch up because your religion is virulently anti-science. Go read a history book – the more islamic a nation becomes the more backward and retrograde it becomes.
“note wahhabists and their affiliates like isis are promoted and sponsored by christian west to retard progress in muslim world.they are misguided not representing islam”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! Wahabis, who are centered in Saudi Arabia, the place where islam was invented, and ISIS, who extensively quotes from islamic sources to justify their actions, know nothing about islam and are, in fact, a Christian conspiracy to make islam look bad?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, my sides!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!
*snort*
*ahem*
See what I mean about me laughing harder every time you speak nonsense and demand to be taken seriously?
Remember: chain of knowledge from the internet to islamic “science” and evidence that Christianity is derived from arab paganism. Evidence, please.
DFD says
“….it is a matter of common knowledge.even a secondary school student on history of science could educate you that muslims during abbasid period molded and systematised crude human knowledge like philosophy,mathematics, medicine, astronomy and architecture to give rise to subject areas like chemistry,physics, scientific mathematics ,scientific medicine, scientific astronomy and architecture…”
This is the MOST HILAROUS BULLSHIT ever!
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To paraphrase Daffy Duck: “Oh Brother! Now I have heard everything!”
Perhaps there’s something in this guys bubble pipe that shouldn’t be in there.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
angemon, it appears to me that you are an ignorant person making bare denial of fundamental issues i raised basing your arguements on trial and error.let your stupid president,donald trump,take over for me to trear his head and get him fully mad so that he can be taken to mental assylum for rehabilitation.as far as you are concern i have closed joining issues with you,because it will not contribute to body of knowledge.
gravenimage says
And yet more from ibrahim itace muhammed:
angemon, it appears to me that you are an ignorant person making bare denial of fundamental issues i raised basing your arguements (sic) on trial and error.
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If this were the case, then the education he received was very poor, since there is little that is rational in his assertions.
More:
let your stupid president,donald trump,take over for me to trear (sic) his head and get him fully mad so that he can be taken to mental assylum (sic) for rehabilitation.
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Well, this is barely intelligible, beyond its being an insult.
More:
as far as you are concern (sic) i have closed (sic) joining (sic) issues with you,because it will not contribute to body of knowledge (sic).
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In other words, this Muslim apologist is tired of going up against someone like Angemon. Duly noted.
Angemon says
ibrahim itace muhammed posted:
“angemon, it appears to me that you are an ignorant person making bare denial of fundamental issues i raised basing your arguements on trial and error.”
You are someone who thinks that an imaginary 7th century pedophile thieving serial-rapist serial-murder is the best example of conduct, so I imagine you have some serious comprehension issues. “Fundamental issues”? Claiming that Christianity is similar to Arab paganism? The fundamental issue here is your knowledge of both, especially when islamic rituals are nothing but Arab pagan rituals. Circling the kaabaa, kissing the stone, stoning the devil – Arab pagans did that before islam was invented. “Trial and error”? You roared like a lion, talking about muslims being pioneers of science, only to bawl like a lamb and say that science was not dependant on religion when asked to elaborate. Do you run powerpoints for a living? Because you’re projecting an awful lot here…
“let your stupid president,donald trump,”
I’m not American, ergo Trump is not my President. BTW, he’s a multimillionaire who fought his way into the most powerful position in the world. What have you done with your life that lets you call him “stupid”? Certainly not being fluent in English.
“take over for me to trear his head and get him fully mad so that he can be taken to mental assylum for rehabilitation.”
“Trear”? Is that even an English word? You’re going to “trear” (whatever that is) his head and get him mad so he’ll be interned? That’s your plan? Do you have access to him? Do you even live on the same country as him?
How do you expect to get anyone mad when you’re clearly easy to anger yourself?
“as far as you are concern i have closed joining issues with you,because it will not contribute to body of knowledge.”
I have no idea what that meant – I fear that going as far back in the evolutionary tree as it is required to decipher that would be a one-way trip. So, kthanxbye, I guess…
gravenimage says
Angemon, you have done yeoman’s work here countering ibrahim itace muhammed’s copious bullsh*t and apologia. Kudos to you!