Prior to Election Day, imams were out telling Muslims to vote, even launching a special campaign:
October 7 is My Muslim Vote National Khutba Day a day meant to encourage American Muslims to get to the polls this November. During this week’s services, spiritual leaders will be ascending minbars, or pulpits, to preach a khutba, or sermon, that focuses on the importance of voting in this election.
The #MyMuslimVote campaign is led by the activist group MPower Change and the national Muslim Students Association.
A CAIR survey predicted that 75% of Muslims will vote for Clinton. It is well known that:
CAIR has been declared a terrorist organization by the United Arab Emirates and was named by federal prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas-funding operation.
The Muslim Students Association – a leader in the “MyMuslimVote” campaign — also has Muslim Brotherhood links.
Most telling about Hillary Clinton was that she “raked in” over $41,000 “from prominent Islamists” in donations, which included “$19,249 from senior officials of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.”
An Aljazeera report stated that Muslims, “blacks, South Asians, Middle Easterners and converts…form a Democrat-leaning mass, according to CAIR’s survey.” That same report painted Trump as racist and Hillary as the preferred candidate, citing the CAIR survey. Meanwhile, Pakistani American Muslims were reportedly busy making a “final push” for Hillary Clinton:
The US Council of Muslim Organisations, an umbrella group of two dozen Muslim advocacy organisations announced this week that over one million American Muslims have registered to vote in the November 8 US elections.
Despite the old us-versus-them rhetoric of Islamic supremacists, CAIR, and the Left, who are all too eager to scream “Islamophobia” and claim that Trump is the preferred candidate of the whites-only club, a Fox News report pointed out a historic shift in party alignment:
First, for the first time since anyone can remember, Republicans have broken the communications monopoly Democrats have enjoyed among African-Americans.Trump is persistently reaching out to them; visiting their churches and neighborhoods, making a commitment to rebuild America’s cities, economy and jobs.
A report from last March, summing up the CAIR view of the election: “CAIR Super Tuesday Poll Shows Muslim Voters Support Hillary Clinton, Concerned About Islamophobia”, CAIR, March 10, 2016:
Survey shows that more older Muslim voters back Clinton, while younger Muslims support Bernie Sanders
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 3/2/16) – The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today released the results of a six-state “Super Tuesday” poll of almost 2000 Muslim voters indicating that almost half of those voters (46 percent) support Hillary Clinton, followed by Bernie Sanders at 25 percent and 11 percent support for Donald Trump.
CAIR’s poll also showed that growing Islamophobia is the top issue for Muslim voters.
“American Muslim voters are worried about the unprecedented anti-Muslim rhetoric being used by presidential candidates and are going to the polls in increasing numbers at both the state and national levels to make their voices heard by the candidates,” said CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad.
An exit poll of Muslim voters in Texas and Virginia indicated that Sanders narrowed Clinton’s lead in those states – 34 to 40 percent in Virginia and 29 to 37 percent in Texas.
In upcoming primary elections in California, Illinois, New York, and Florida Clinton’s lead over Sanders ranged from 22 percent (California) to 40 percent (New York).
The survey indicated that older Muslim voters – 65 percent of those 45 to 64 and 80 percent of those 65 and older – backed Clinton, while younger Muslim voters (18 to 24) supported Sanders (78 percent). In the 25 to 44 age group, support for Clinton and Sanders was more evenly distributed at 44 percent for Sanders and 56 percent for Clinton.
CAIR noted that Muslim support for Sanders may actually be higher because its poll surveyed more voters over the age of 45.
Nationwide, Islamophobia continued to rank as the most important issue of concern for all Muslim voters (24 percent), a partisan divide was evident with Muslim Democrats ranking Islamophobia highest (27 percent) and then the economy (19 percent), while Muslim Republicans ranked the economy (38 percent) highest followed by Islamophobia (14 percent).
Support for the Democratic and Republican Parties mostly remained constant from previous surveys with 67 percent of Muslim voters supporting the Democratic Party and 18 percent supporting the Republican Party. CAIR’s February 1 poll of Muslim voters showed 67 and 15 percent respectively voiced support for the Democratic and Republican Parties…….

American-Pragmatism says
American Pragmatism strongly supports president elect Donald J. Trump in his task of protecting the USA from jihadi and islamist terrorism.
Tom says
A few of us still remember 911, Orlando, Paris and, oh yeah, this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
Never forget!
ECAW says
Limeys 1 Yanks 1
jihad3tracker says
FREEDOM AGAINST TYRANNY — A BIG 100.
Pumbar says
Globalism 0. So far…
Westman says
Well and susinctly said, ECAW. Now if Europe will wake up…
dumbledoresarmy says
As Archimedes said, “Give me a place to stand, and I will move the world”.
Europe is, I think, in certain corners, beginning to waken.
Look at Geert Wilders. Every European involved with the resistance to Islamisation should be backing Geert Wilders. Every Dutch person who is Islamosavvy should be backing him and getting people to vote for him.
If the Netherlands could be saved – if the tide could be turned *there* – then much of the rest of Europe could follow.
Ted Tyler says
“Every Dutch person who is Islamosavvy should be backing him and getting people to vote for him.”
What’s in a word?… The single word “islamophobia” has made a huge contribution to advancing Islam. Perhaps the single word “Islamosavvy” could slow Islam down a bit. How about “Don’t be Islamophobic, be Islamosavvy” ?
Hktony says
Look at the following story. The uk is cooked, sweden, germany, greece is bankrupt and acts as a whore, denmark and Norway cooked too. France pressure cooked and so on. No europe is cooking just as soros wanted. i have almost no friends left from my work field. It is so bad i wish them severe ill will.
This election has divided people in a positive way. We or at least i know my enemy. We should remember them for some will see the light until they can stick the knife in your back again. Trump must deport all muzzies. Already he mentions ‘ all faiths’
No no no not all faiths or communists. I hope he does what he said. Having said that it wont help europe. Mark Steyn was right all thos years ago about europe.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear, DDA!
gravenimage says
Hktony wrote:
Look at the following story. The uk is cooked, sweden, germany, greece is bankrupt and acts as a whore, denmark and Norway cooked too. France pressure cooked and so on.
…………………………
Resistance is Futile
Surrender Dorothy
These nations *are* in dire straights, but counseling despair here does *not* help. Nor is it true–nations have emerge from worse in resisting the Muslim yoke.
CrossWare says
Hungary is awake, Poland is awake, Czech Republic and Slovakia awake too!
Oliver says
Just saw a headline Hungarian lawmakers not supporting PM immigration views slash strategies
Sakya says
Yes! Happiest day of 2016. Now let’s keep jihadism out of the United States and wipe jihadism off the face of the planet!
LaLa says
Amen
Mak says
My friends are all celebrating this. None of us thought it would go this way! We were all set for a Syrian invasion! I feel America has hit a turning point…. for the better. This was a cry from Americans: Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, etc. saying “we’re tired of what’s going on.”
The Liberals can deny it all they want. This isn’t about race: It’s about freedom and safety. And I feel that all my fellow Americans (and a few people outside this country; like Israel) are safer because of what just happened. And that’s a good thing in my book.
Oliver says
Mark,
Some Arab polling firm did polls (400 or so people in each of about a dozen Arab states-all Middle East- IN EGYPT (alone, amongst Arab states, along with Israel –in the M. E.) ) was Trump the favorite.
Asked why, (in Egypt, and anyone elsewhere who supported Trump- almost universal answer-he might be able to straighten out the mess that Obama and HRC made in the Middle East. (Note, in Iraq- Trump was also favored, but not by as large a margin as in Egypt- and Iraq-is obviously, still in a war).
And, Mr. Trump got about 30-35% of the Hispanic vote and the same of Asians. Not sure what his vote was among blacks, but % and probably raw numbers-higher than McCain and Romney. he reached out to them.
And, the head of The Nation Of Islam (Farkham?-not sure of how to spell the prick’s name) came out in the last days before the election for Trump- BECAUSE HE SAID, ( and this is true) OBAMA AND CLINTON AND THE DEMS. HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR BLACKS, (keeping them dependent on handouts; no jobs; black on black violence- and doing nothing to stop it; etc). Urged his followers to VOTE REPUBLICAN.
(I think, perhaps, he will offer to go to an outdoor Hanukkah Menorah lighting-if he is mellowing so).
Oliver says
By the way- while many (most? almost all?) of the members of The Nation Of Islam came from prison, I THINK that they have a lower than the general (ex-prisoners) rate of recidivism .
I do know that the few that I have ever come into contact with have always been polite, courteous and neat. (I admit, the numbers that I have been in contact with are not that many. However, i did read that they agree to forego drugs-unless medically required; booze; etc).
Mak says
Oliver,
It’s really very simple. Many Egyptians got a test of the Muslim Brotherhood. They realized their life isn’t so good under it. I don’t think the Islamic world will figure out why Islam is a problem but I guess your stats are a glimmer of hope.
Maybe we can “Make the World Safe Again!”
Eyes open says
Islamaphobia, what a crock of bs.
Why are they not all in fear of Islamic Jihad, that is the real threat aling with the leftist enablers. Surely these peaceful Muslims , I use the term loosely would want to protect fellow Americans from Islamic Supremists… or do their allegiances lie elsewhere hmm..
Gary says
You nailed it!!
Mak says
They would hate to admit that the biggest threat to Muslims is Muslims. If I were a rational Muslim (or a Unicorn) I would want Trump protecting my butt too!
Egypt’s el-Sisi is in power because Egyptians were dying under the Muslim brotherhood. I met two Egyptian ex-pat brothers once, US educated, in the country of Georgia who told me they had to flee their own country. They were moderates.
The fact that moderates in Islam are seen as apostates is why Islam is always radical Islam.
carol says
Brigitte Gabriel founder of ACT for America in her book ”They Must be Stopped” pgs. 52-54 says the MODERATES are irrelevant in war e.g. moderate Germans did not stop the Nazis from killing 14 million people in concentration camps and costing the world 60 million lives; most Russians were peaceful but Russian Communists cost the world 20 million lives; Japan was peaceful prior to WWII, then 12 million Chinese were killed. THE MODERATE MAJORITY WAS IRRELEVANT.
Gabriel says many moderate Muslims do not know the words of the Koran and are not religious enough to have read the words of the Hadith and the Sira. She’s met many wonderful, professional, moderate Muslims in her travels across the USA but when she’s asked them to speak out against the radicals, they say they can only work with her “behind the scenes” but did not want anyone to know they were involved, out of fear and of being cast out of the Islamic community.
Their moderate views thus became IRRELEVANT and Gabriel feels our expectations and treatment of those communities should be adjusted accordingly.
jihad3tracker says
OUR COUNTER-JIHAD WORK IS NOW STRENGTHENED, BUT THE FIGHT AGAINST ISLAMIC SUPREMACISM CONTINUES.
Paladin says
Let the clearing out of the rat’s nests begin. Investigate the mosques, deport Jihad-preaching imams, shut down madrasas, expose the networks and shine the light on this death cult before it’s too late. President-elect Trump, you have a mandate sir. Make America Great Again, starting with halting all Muslim immigration.
JIMJFOX says
Seconded. Also, clean out Obama’s Islam Club in Washington. Expunge every muslim.
Praeceptor Maximus says
JIMJFOX
Heads are going to roll in Washington once Trump enters the White House.
Laura says
Let’s hope he gets rid of all the lifer staffers and deadwood “employees”, along with the anti-American federal employees!
Charli Main says
I also hope that Trump removes all the Trojan Horses that Obama planted in the CIA, FBI and Homeland Security.
quota raven says
To Charli – ME, TOO!!!
Cheers!
quota raven
salim says
This is probably the most significant American election. I hope Trump lives up to the expectations of those who elected him. At last there is a potential that America will do something realistic to deal with the rising Islamic threat.
The winds of change: Brexit here in the UK and Trump wins in America. Next it could be Wilders and Le Pen. People had enough of suicidal policies.
I can’t wait to see how our MPs who voted to ban Trump from the UK would react to this stunning victory.
But there is another rising threat which needs to be addressed urgently and that is the spread of the left ideology among the young. this calls for a review of the education system and the way the left wing media is functioning.
Lastly may I just say that Trump must be protected very well, his enemies are mad and might do something to harm him.
dumbledoresarmy says
Seconding your last sentence. I do hope that Mr Trump’s security detail have had a long, long, quiet talk with, say, PM Binyamin Netanyahu’s security detail. Getting good advice… the best possible.
Oliver says
I think that Mr Trump has a lot to fear from the political establishments more then foreign governments.
That includes Reps as well as Dems.
Just my view
LaLa says
I third the motion
gravenimage says
To be honest, I doubt much of the above is going to happen–Trump has some good instincts, but he is not particularly Islamo-savvy. But just seeing anything other than the headlong enabling of Islam of the past eight years will be a *very* good thing.
Mak says
One can become Islamo-savvy as long as they are rational. The problem with politicians is they see Muslims as voters. Trump isn’t a politician. This is part of his appeal. He knows there are problems in this country. That’s the first step.
Hopefully he will have some sane advisors who have the world’s best interest at heart pointing the details out to him. He may know the basics of Islam. But many of us here know just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Angemon says
I said it months ago: do not trust the polls that gave Hillary as the winner. They were not trustworthy because, if for no other reason, in a climate where Trump supporters were being harassed and even assaulted for openly saying they supported Trump, not everyone would reveal their true opinion to an unknown party they met on the street or called their home.
Man, I need to get a bigger mug – there’s going to be a metric ton of tears or twenty to drink 😀
Champ says
“I said it months ago: do not trust the polls that gave Hillary as the winner.”
Great advice! …and you were absolutely *right*, Angemon! 😀
gravenimage says
True, Angemon.
Oliver says
I had posted a few times why polls are rigged. Where the polling takes place (IE political leanings of the area); how questions are worded. Size of the population questioned ( and, often, the numbers are made to fit what the polling people want them to be); etc. And, the numbers are usually small. One of my three favorites (only one form this election)-Clinton ahead by 7%. One had to read deep into the story to find the poll was of 1,079 people. a 7% lead translated into 75 and a fraction people.
My other two favorites-me-I was called-and disliked both candidates; spent half hour on the phone ( storming where I lived, so was staying home, anyhow) and at the end, said cannot sue my views, as they did not fit their parameters.
And, lastly, a friend has a land line. Got a call form a polling co. Woman called- very polite- he agreed to the poll. First question- Mr. M. Are you a man or a woman or other? Man, he replied. Answered questions honestly. Few weeks later- same woman-he said he answered her questions a few weeks before-she checked, he did. Same questions. This time he said he was a woman. Gave diametrically opposite answers.
Few weeks after that, same woman called again. This time he said he was “other”. Contradicted half his answers from each prior call.
But, in their poll- 3 calls.
Peggy says
I have always been of the opinion that you can have any result you want as long as you poll the right demographic.
quota raven says
Peggy – who observes, “I have always been of the opinion that you can have any result you want as long as you poll the right demographic.”
Right. And another little trick pollsters can use is to stop reaching out to additional people, once they have the result they were trying for. I.E., the results are often pre-determined.
The “margin for error” is kept to under 4%, too, for a reason. It’s easier to fiddle with results, like election results, if they are small numbers, and 4% plus and 4% minus represents only an 8 point wiggle room, pretty easy to manage.
In the USA, the polling companies are mostly owned by multi-nationals with an interest in the outcomes. Soros has connections and investment in one of the bigger companies, I forget which.
Cheers!
quota raven
Oliver says
Peggy
I agree. You are correct. A friend of mine many years ago worked for a radio ststion. They were doing a poll on some political matter. It was supposed to be of (let us say) a thousand people. They called like (again. Let us say 3,000) people. Whatever the correct number. Called 3 times as many people. Threw out two thirds
To get their desired results
Angemon says
The democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) were living in a bubble. They manipulated polls to reflect what they wanted to hear. They “predicted” a landslide victory for Hillary, eventually believed their own lies, and now they’re shocked and awed that the people they constantly talked down to, mischaracterized, insulted, belittled, disparaged and mocked voted for someone else. They didn’t saw the writing on the wall despite having to shank Bernie to ensure Hillary would win the nomination. Endorsing Bernie would mean relinquishing, at least in part, control of the Democrat party. Plus, there was the matter of Hillary’s foreign donors. All the crybabies rioting in the streets, crying Trump’s victory – the people who acted shocked and appalled because Trump didn’t say he’d accept the result of the elections – need to wake up, smell the coffee and realize that they, as well as the Democrat party they support, have no one to blame but themselves. And I’m not ashamed to say that I’m thoroughly enjoying to see them cry:
Oliver says
Besides Sanders. There were other Dems who wanted to run. But never really got a chance. Clinton was the anointed.
The man who was Raegan”s top naval person was one. Forgot his name.
The Repubs at least gave 17 to choose from. From different backgrounds etc. Example. Carson doctor. Christie was a prosecutor and governor. Paul eye doctor and Senator
B.s..etc.
The Dems anointed Clinton and like Obama
My way or the highway
Mirren10 says
”The democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) were living in a bubble. They manipulated polls to reflect what they wanted to hear. They “predicted” a landslide victory for Hillary, eventually believed their own lies, and now they’re shocked and awed that the people they constantly talked down to, mischaracterized, insulted, belittled, disparaged and mocked voted for someone else.”
So true, Angemon.
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/matt-walsh-liberals-this-is-very-simple-you-lost-because-hillary-clinton-is-objectively-terrible/
Pumbar says
Well done USA!!
JayT says
A promise given is better than none, so we still have to see if Trump will put into actions what he has stated.
Hillary was a multi-headed hydra in terms of the damage she represented. For example, how can you rationalize continuing Obamacare when premiums were announced to go even higher?
Americans prefer someone who says they will clamp down on the border over someone who made references to erasing the line in leaked emails.
Starting tomorrow, I’m sure Obama will “let loose the dogs of war.” With nothing to lose and no legacy to count on, he’s going to be clearing the prisons with pardons in even greater numbers and I expect that damn blind sheik will be getting a secret midnight flight back to Egypt. Hopefully, come January, Obama will at least take his prayer rug with him when he vacates the White House.
Robert DuPaul says
It will be interesting to see who the real Donald Trump is ! if T in Trump stands for truth or tall tales ?
gravenimage says
No politician keeps all of their promises, and it is foolish to expect them to. Even if they intend to, they are often stymied by other elements. But moving in the right direction is the important thing.
Robert DuPaul says
Very true but the Republicans have the whole ball of wax they won’t be able blame anyone else. Andi think most of Trump’s supportes expect progress to be made.
Oliver says
Robert- many of the Republican establishment DO NOT LIKE HIM. He (like Reagan, as opposed to Carter- who could not get along with anyone) might get along better with Chuck Schumer ( who is set to become Minority leader- and whom Trump knows from NY) then McConnell.
Then again, in many of the states (excluding Cal and Md)) that Clinton won, Trump did NOT LOSE BY LARGE NUMBERS. (And, last I had seen- admittedly-hours ago- still some-nationwide- 500,000 or so absentee ballots not counted-so he might-depending-if many were from military personnel-might even have the popular vote as well. So members of Congress might go along, not to piss off the voters- when they come up for re-election.members of
Champ says
Happy Dance!!!
TRUMP WON!!!
dumbledoresarmy says
Pray.
Ephesians 6.
And.. email him. **Write him a formal letter of congratulation**. Tell him to talk to Robert Spencer, of Jihadwatch, and … Mr Spencer can put him in touch with ‘Hugh Fitzgerald’ (that is: with the very erudite person who uses “Hugh Fitzgerald” as nom de guerre).
Champ says
Hey you can write him.
Mirren10 says
”And.. email him. **Write him a formal letter of congratulation**. Tell him to talk to Robert Spencer, of Jihadwatch … ”
Just doing that now.
Mak says
Fantastic suggestion, dumbledorsarmy!
Gary says
🙂
David says
Yeah!
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JIMJFOX says
Obama- trumped; Clinton- trumped; Enem[a]edia- trumped; Pollsters- trumped; Al Jazeera- trumped, and
screaming!
John says
Don’t forget George Clooney and the other Hollywood slime who said that “Trump will never be president.”
Angemon says
I’d LOVE to be a fly on De Niro’s wall.
LaLa says
I am anticipating a mass exodus from the Hollywood slime. They threatened they would move to Canada. I say Go ahead go, and thanks for leaving.
gravenimage says
I would be *very* surprised if any of them moved.
Mak says
But what will happen to our supply of remade 1980’s movies and Marvel comic book movies? Oh nos!
Angemon says
That’s ok, there are plenty of other super-hero movies out there:
https://youtu.be/WrAQ8-WzZ0w
Oliver says
Janet Reno said that Trump will never be Pres. in her lifetime. She was right-she died a few days before the election.
All of the 2 dozen or so Hollywood/ music “stars” who said they would leave the country if Trump would win-hope the door doesn’t hit them in their ass on the way out. (Most I had never heard of)
quota raven says
Oliver – As always, your comments here lately are smart and insightful – esp why the ME and North Africa went for Trump. Anyone who can’t see that it was Hillary and Obama who literally set the whole area on fire has to be blind. Also yr observations about funky polls was spot on. Keep them coming, and thank you.
As for these movie stars and musicians – they aren’t going anywhere. They are full of hot air. Some said the same thing before the last election. They’re all still here. Except for Johnny Depp, who I believe left 15 yrs ago to live in France…
Cheers!
quota raven
Peggy says
All those celebrities who said they will leave the US if Trump wins better start packing now.
What a disappointment to me. I always liked Robert DeNiro but now can’t ever think of him the same way.
I loved Cher as well but she is one of the celebrities who said she will move if Trump wins.
Maybe we should all email them and ask them when they are leaving.
Flo says
???? De angst voor Trump is groter dan het alles vernietigende islam geweld dat momenteel de wereld wil veroveren, door verkrachting, moord en doodslag, massa immigratie………………….
Amerika go for it!!!!
jihad3tracker says
HELLO FLO —– I do not speak or understand the Netherland-Dutch language, but still I agree with everything you write.
Amerika go for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quota raven says
To Flo – Sorry, but I don’t understand your point. Could you please translate or explain?
Cheers!
quota rave
Kangi_nunpa says
“The fear of Trump is greater than the devastating Islamic violence currently trying to conquer the world through rape, murder, mass immigration.”
quota raven says
Thank you, my dear.
Cheers!
quota raven
Thanl
gravenimage says
Yes–this is absurd, and something you only find from those blind to the real threats we face.
Ernie says
Congratulations America ! Congratulations Western World ! I thank The Lord Our G-d for giving us this great opportunity . Let’s go for it !
Praeceptor Maximus says
Hello Ernie
It was a great victory. God’s bull won and Satan’s whore fell. Next will be Europe’s turn. The left is going to fall.
Ernie says
Yes , Praeceptor Maximus , this is the beginning . Babylon will fall !
Peggy says
Ernie says
November 9, 2016 at 11:13 am
Yes , Praeceptor Maximus , this is the beginning . Babylon will fall !
=========================
We are witnessing God’s will and what a privilege that is.
I thank God I am alive to see the beginning of the end for evil.
Shmooviyet says
HC shows just how much she appreciates her grieving, weeping supporters– sends the Podesta warlock to tell everyone to go home.
Might as well have said, “you didn’t work hard enough for her; she has nothing left to say to you”.
Reminiscent of a raggedy, ill adolph ranting about the German citizenry as the allies approached.
ECAW says
She will be feeling very nervous this morning, won’t she?
Baucent says
Indeed, the prospect of a Trump appointed Attorney General of the Justice Department finally investigating the Clinton Foundation could bring on a panic attack for Madam Secretary. Maybe Putin will offer her asylum?
Robert DuPaul says
The Obama pardon machine is still available!
Westman says
It did look bad. I’m guessing that she collapsed at the prospect of concession and was physically and mentally unable to make a speech. Remember her recent collapse while entering an SUV after campaigning? Her health, both physical and mental, may be worse than thought by the media.
gravenimage says
Shmooviyet wrote:
HC shows just how much she appreciates her grieving, weeping supporters– sends the Podesta warlock to tell everyone to go home.
Might as well have said, “you didn’t work hard enough for her; she has nothing left to say to you”.
…………………………
Unbelievably, what happened–my husband heard this on MSNBC–is that she had no concession speech written. What sort of hubris is this? Even if she was sure she was going to win, you would think that someone on here team would have cobbled together the standard, “you all worked so hard for my campaign, blah blah blah…”–but no.
quota raven says
Honestly?: I cried like a baby with the results. Weeping with joy and hope for our future.
Cheers to all!
quota raven
jihad3tracker says
Hello again quota —
In all of my 40 years of adult life (I am age 68) this day is the MOST ASTONISHING MIRACLE.
Our challenge now is to support President Trump as he puts America back on track to win against Islam’s devout orthodox fully obedient worshippers of Allah.
quota raven says
To jihad3tracker – :I’m 70, and I agree. I’ve been paying attention. I’m not exactly a Christian, but I hope to god this man is able to move us (USA) to a more sensible place.
Cheers!
quota raven
Westman says
Cheers to all !
Jay Boo says
Polls or propaganda???
The lying liberal MSM haven’t a clue what went wrong with polls.
No Idea why the vast majority of polls highly favored Hillary.
Yeah right, lib-nut media
Westman says
They believed their own echo chamber.
Night show hosts like Jimmy Fallon, Seth Myers, Steven Colbert, etc have no idea how much damage they did to the Clinton campaign.
The dummies forgot that it’s older people who stay up at night because they can’t sleep and who formerly watched more genteel night shows. Watching the non-stop lampooning of Trump irritated them to no end and many decided to vote against Hillary for that reason, and also, because the vomit these programs serve up, that represents liberalism, attacks their sensibilities.
gravenimage says
All true–but it was not just older people who elected Donald Trump.
Oliver says
I mentioned a few yk
T
Times why polls are inaccurate. One. Sample size is small. Recent example. Clinton up by 7 per cent. Had to read deep.poll was of 1079 people.7 per cent is 75 people.
Another. How questions are worded. Third. Where asked. Next. Many are rigged.
Oliver says
Sorry for typos
Westman says
One mystified minority election commentator came to the conclusion that a significant number of Hispanics and African-Americans must have voted for Trump.
Like Duh! Obama ignored black leaders for 8 years(he loved the musicians). The Hispanics who came properly to become US citizens found illegals taking their jobs. Just what did the brilliant Clinton campaign think would happen?
jihad3tracker says
HELLO WESTMAN —
Yes, I agree 100% — Obama ignored black leaders, with whom he could have pushed back against the epidemic of minority gun slaughter. Instead, he was a fake old hipster Leftist mulatto trying to be cool with jive-ass thug pop “musicians” who could not actually sing.
And, when historians look at his 8 years in the White House, they will find ALMOST NO SERIOUS LEGISLATIVE ACHIEVEMENTS. It seems remarkable to say that, yet when we look at the record, what is really of merit?
A writer posted a superb article at American Thinker in December 2015 about Obama, describing him — before 2008’s election — as “the toxic cocktail that everyone wanted to drink but nobody had tasted”. Now, enough of us have been sufficiently pissed off to toss him into a swamp of disgrace.
Westman says
Quite, true, Tracker. Congratulations to you and all Americans for this historic election.
Oliver says
J3. I disagree somewhat
Obama was good to the quote
Mine so called black leaders. He ignored the honest black PEOPLE. Who live in fear og the criminals. HRC was a BLM supporter. And kissed the ass of the leaders like Obama did
Leaders like Jesse Jackson
Sharpton. BLM when it came around. Etc. But fuck the people who want off the plantation.
Mak says
This has been my point to lots of libtard’s: No Black or Hispanic American wants to die! Either from Jihad or violence. So they may have not outwardly said they supported Trump but their safety, like all Americans, is at stake. I know several Black and Hispanic friends who voted for Trump.
Praeceptor Maximus says
This historical victory was truly miraculous. God’s champion won. 8 Nov 2016 will go down in history as the date for the great awakening. People finally woke up and spoke with one voice to put a stop to political correctness, to Islamization and to corruption. But the morally bankrupt mainstream media still refuses to listen. Like fools they are scratching theirs heads trying to understand what went wrong with the election. They wonder if the reason was the gender. They refuse to even consider that perhaps Hillary’s lies had something to do with it. Mainstream media had their darling, the corrupt Hillary, and were shoving her down people’s throats. They fudged the poll results to make it appear as though she was the clear winner, and now they wonder what went wrong. Nothing went wrong. Everything went right for once and that was because people didn’t listen to mainstream media bullshit. But would they learn? Not on your nelly.
Mockingjay says
To me, Trump winning is no “miracle”.
– It only appears so to the Left, who are so entirely divorced from reality that they fully believed they were, and would be forever, in complete control.
None of this is miraculous.
It’s just the truth catching up on the liars.
Westman says
True, MockingJay – it had to happen, as happens to all cartels. They strutted their hour upon the stage, in a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury; accomplishing little.
Obama promised infrastructure projects to put people back to work and gave them unaffordable insurance bills, instead. He left a vacuum for ISIS and threw away the blood-soaked gains of our military men and women.
Let’s turn on the green porch lights for our Vets and hang out the Stars and Stripes. America The Brave is coming back.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Mockingjay
It is a miracle because he won against a rigged system. People were intimidated. Dead people were voting. God knows what else the media and followers of Hillary did to swing the vote against Trump. Celebrities were against him. Even here in Australia the media didn’t have a good word for Trump. But you are right about everything that you just said.
BLC says
Congratulations Mr. President! God bless America!
Mo says
It was 3 am where I am, and I just happened to wake up. I could not resist looking at my phone to see the results. I don’t have ANY reason to believe anything Trump has ever said. But I was as shocked as anyone when I saw the news.
At least this criminal woman didn’t win. At least that. Now, let’s see if Trump will do anything worthwhile, or just make deals with everyone and lie and do the exact opposite.
Does anyone have pics of her expression? I want to SEE that evil woman realize she’s done!
quota raven says
To MO – Hey. She didn’t even have the balls to make a proper concession speech..
I hope we’ve seen the last of her. Time will tell…
Cheers!
quota raven
Turn right at Bass Strait says
3am? It was well past her bedtime. She told her campaign manager, Podesta, to tell everyone to go home and that she would talk to them “tomorrow”.
Bizarro.
What happened to “gracious in defeat”.
3am? She was asleep at that hour when the American Ambassador in Benghazi was crying for heip.
Westman says
And what was her “deplorable” line: ” What difference does it make now?” She’s not the President-elect. Is that enough “”difference”?
John C. Barile says
I know why Hillary lost–most of us weren’t at the mosque listening to pro-Democrat khutbas that Friday, October 7. I know, though, that I was busy reciting my rosary and meditating on the Sorrowful Mysteries that day. We Catholics–not of the Tim Kaine stripe–do that sort of thing before momentous events, just like the rosary crusade we waged before the Battle of Lepanto, in the Gulf of Corinth, October 7, 1571.
vladkoval says
HE DID IT! HE WON! WE WON!
I KNEW THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quota raven says
to Vlad – :Love your enthusiasm. I’m right there with you.
Cheers!
quota raven
quota raven says
Vlad – I love your enthusiasm, and I’m, so with you! There’s hope!! That’s what I thinK!
Cheers!
quota raven
vladkoval says
Thanks, quota raven!
Daniel Triplett says
Let’s call Islam what it really is; a criminal enterprise of a long list of serious felonies, with Sedition and Conspiracy to Murder right at the top.
No religious or Constitutional protections. Why must we tolerate Islam or call it a “religion?” Because it’s old? Because a 7th Century psychopath said so? Come on, we’re smarter than this.
We must criminalize Islam, making its “practice or promotion” a capital offense. And ally with Kaffir nuke states to force criminalization on Dar al-Islam.
We can extinguish Islam from Earth inside of 10 weeks for less than $10 Billion. This war can and should be fought from nuke-laden US submarines or a cubicle dug into the bottom of a Wyoming mountain, without losing one Allied serviceman’s life.
This is a nuclear war now. Reconciling this conflict requires using these weapons. Let’s face it. The Ummah is just months or weeks away from acquiring the ability, working around-the-clock to do the same thing to us. No guesswork necessary; they promise to kill us with them.
Every one of us knows we don’t have the time, money, military, and especially the will to indefinitely invade and occupy 57 Muslim countries. We couldn’t do it conventionally with just 2, let alone 57. Come on, let’s get real.
This War is for all the marbles. Islam vs Western Civilization. This is a zero-sum conflict with one winner. There will be no negotiations. Just ask the Ummah. Apostasy must be mandatory. Christianity should be encouraged, but not forced.
All we need is the will.
Thank God we have President-elect Trump. He sees the Islamic threat, and has the balls and strategic vision to eliminate it like Nazism and Shintoism.
DJT is exactly the right man at exactly the right time.
duh swami says
‘O how the mighty have fallen’…
He did it his way, and it worked…Congrats Donald, congests America…Now it’s time to clean house…
Praeceptor Maximus says
President Donald J. Trump. He will be a great president. God bless him and God bless America. God truly smiled at America when he raised Trump to be your president.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God
Baucent says
Congratulations America! What a victory for the mainstream citizens over the liberal elites! And it will have world wide repercussions, invigorating political movements in many countries, France and Netherlands to name just two. In shades of BREXIT the pollsters and media failed the call a Trump victory.
Fantastic result, America is back!
Islam_Macht_Frei says
Buh bye Huma.
vladkoval says
Ha-ha-ha)))
I have just been thinking of her, and here I see your post!
Huma, Good-Bye! See you on ruins of Mecca!)
Westman says
She still has to deal with the ruins of Anthony and his…
dumbledoresarmy says
Some words from G K Chesterton may be appropriate. Here, from an obscure novel called “The Napoleon of Notting Hill”, chapter one, is something he wrote early in the 20th century.
CHAPTER ONE, “INTRODUCTORY REMARKS ON THE ART OF PROPHECY”
“…The human race, to which so many of my readers belong, has been playing at children’s games from the beginning, and will probably do it till the end, which is a nuisance for the few people who grow up.
“And one of the games to which it is most attached is called “Keep to-morrow dark,” and which is also named (by the rustics in Shropshire, I have no doubt) “Cheat the Prophet.”
“The players listen very carefully and respectfully to all that the clever men have to say about what is to happen in the next generation.
“The players then wait until all the clever men are dead, and bury them nicely.
“They then go and do something else.
“That is all. For a race of simple tastes, however, it is great fun….”.
“For human beings, being children, have the childish wilfulness and the childish secrecy.
“And they never have from the beginning of the world done what the wise men have seen to be inevitable.
“They stoned the false prophets, it is said; but they could have stoned true prophets with a greater and juster enjoyment.
“Individually, men may present a more or less rational appearance, eating, sleeping, and scheming.
“But humanity as a whole is changeful, mystical, fickle, delightful. Men are men, but Man is a woman…”.
“But in the beginning of the twentieth century the game of Cheat the Prophet was made far more difficult than it had ever been before. The reason was, that there were so many prophets and so many prophecies, that it was difficult to elude all their ingenuities. When a man did something free and frantic and entirely his own, a horrible thought struck him afterwards; it might have been predicted. Whenever a duke climbed a lamp-post, when a dean got drunk, he could not be really happy, he could not be certain that he was not fulfilling some prophecy. In the beginning of the twentieth century you could not see the ground for clever men.
“They were so common that a stupid man was quite exceptional, and when they found him, they followed him in crowds down the street and treasured him up and gave him some high post in the State.
“And all these clever men were at work giving accounts of what would happen in the next age, all quite clear, all quite keen-sighted and ruthless, and all quite different.
“And it seemed that the good old game of hoodwinking your ancestors could not really be managed this time, because the ancestors neglected meat and sleep and practical politics, so that they might meditate day and night on what their descendants would be likely to do.
“But the way the prophets of the twentieth century or, for that matter, the 21st] went to work was this.
“They took something or other that was certainly going on in their time, and then said that it would go on more and more until something extraordinary happened. And very often they added that in some odd place that extraordinary thing had happened, and that it showed the signs of the times….”.
“All these clever men were prophesying with every variety of ingenuity what would happen soon, and they all did it in the same way, by taking something they saw “going strong,” as the saying is, and carrying it as far as ever their imagination could stretch. This, they said, was the true and simple way of anticipating the future. “Just as,” said Dr. Pellkins, in a fine passage,–“just as when we see a pig in a litter larger than the other pigs, we know that by an unalterable law of the Inscrutable it will some day be larger than an elephant,–just as we know, when we see weeds and dandelions growing more and more thickly in a garden, that they must, in spite of all our efforts, grow taller than the chimney-pots and swallow the house from sight, so we know and reverently acknowledge, that when any power in human politics has shown for any period of time any considerable activity, it will go on until it reaches to the sky.”
“And it did certainly appear that the prophets had put the people (engaged in the old game of Cheat the Prophet) in a quite unprecedented difficulty. It seemed really hard to do anything without fulfilling some of their prophecies.
“But there was, nevertheless, in the eyes of labourers in the streets, of peasants in the fields, of sailors and children, and especially women, a strange look that kept the wise men in a perfect fever of doubt. They could not fathom the motionless mirth in their eyes. They still had something up their sleeve; they were still playing the game of Cheat the Prophet….”. END QUOTE
Strikes me that the great American unwashed, GI Joe and his Jane, have just gone and done exactly the sort of thing that Chesterton was capable of foreseeing. If Trump *does* make a start on a real pushback against the Jihad (not least by putting a bit of a brake on Immigration Jihad), then it wil indeed be that, without even waiting for all the pundits (who despise the common man and woman) to die off, the great American public have played the game of the century… a game of Trump the ‘Prophet’.
Baucent says
Just the thought that Trump’s “extreme vetting” of immigrants might actually happen, is likely to have a lot of people in panic mode.
Michael Laudahn says
DC seems to stand for ‘District of Clinton’. Did you see that she got a staggering 93 % there?
Westman says
In my lifetime, DC has gone from a bureaucracy that changed with the parties in power to one that is so huge and deep that only agency heads get changed; while the understructure continues doing business as usual. Pence knows where the log jams are. Let’s hope he and Trump will do some deep house cleaning.
David M says
Thank God Trump won, happy here in Australia.
Go to jail Hillary, America’s secrets were compromised because of your illegal private server, Hillary is a traitor & a criminal.
Brian Hoff says
It isnot over yet than 3rd party can tranfer they votes to her votes than pa oh and fl got to Hillary Trump lose 69 votes and Hillary gain 69 votes. This happen alot in 19th century american and it is legal by hight court ruleing. It the deal is make before than certain day next month. In once election the deal was made after that day the democratic party gave the GOP they votes in a 6 parties race on the the understanding the GOP end the military occupation of the south. More states might change on who won then. Robert since you where born in the UK you might know this American history.
David M says
You’re an idiot, bad night for Muslims eh? Trump is President, your witch queen Hillary is melting…melting….melting.
Brian Hoff says
I guess they didnot treach you this in history class.It happen alot in 19th century america where we have 6 to 8 major parties. Than it is perfect legal it done before jan 3rd 2017. The current president can pardon Hillary and congress cannot impeach her.
Angemon says
Boy, you’re really out of touch, aren’t you? “19th century america where we have 6 to 8 major parties”? How many do you have today on 21st century America?
Face the facts: your Manchurian candidate LOST.
Peggy says
She hasn’t been charged with any crime so the president cannot pardon her. What crime would he be pardoning her for?
It was a good thing that Comey dropped the charges because now Trump can reopen the investigation and he won’t be pardoning her for sure.
quota raven says
Peggy – EGGZACKLY! Especially if the Donald appoints Rudy Giuliani as Loretta Lynch’s successor as Attorney General. I can already see Rudy licking his chops at the thought of getting into the Clinton Foundation and foreign policy decisions…bought and paid for!))))) I was in NYC when Giuliani was elected mayor and before, when he went after the mafia. He is ferocious!
I only read this theory today and hadn’t thought of it myself, as I moped about Comey’s performance. I hope it is true. I always had respect for the FBI and was feeling grim about these recent developments. If the decision was brought about to avoid Hillary’s being able to wiggle out due to a pardon, then I think it is nothing short of brilliant!
Cheers!
quota raven
Turn right at Bass Strait says
And like the Cheshire Cat all that will be left will be her eerie, ghastly smile.
quota raven says
Ha, ha, Bass – You forgot “apple cheeked” smile of that dreadful woman. My only disappointment was that I stayed up all night to hear her civilized concession speech and she chose not to make it.
Cheers!
quota raven
Westman says
Beautiful image, Strait.
Baucent says
Greetings “Brian” in Saudi Arabia! Bad luck those Clinton Foundation donations haven’t panned out so well for you.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Brian the Muslim liar
Why can’t you just take your lying tongue, your demon-god Allah and your demon-possessed charlatan false prophet Muhammad and fuck off!
Brian Hoff says
The election isnot over yet and Hillary can win the election and this rig is perfect legal.My brother who is than big supporter of Trump agree with me on this the election isnot over yet. Robert think of this the america way of the UK pick than PM when no party have enough vote to form than government alot of horse trading goes on.
David M says
Why do you like Hillary anyway? As a woman she is a third class citizen to Muslims. In Saudi Arabia she can’t drive, or go outside uncovered or without her male minder.
Angemon says
This article was written by Christine Williams, not Robert Spencer, you illiterate ignoramus.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Brian the Muslim liar
It ain’t gonna happen. Get it through your thick Muslim skull. Trump won. Hillary is finished. The next stop for her is prison. That is it. ibidy ibidy ibidy – that’s all folks Now, get over it and move along before I tell you to fuck off again.
JawsV says
Shut-up “than” Muslim “Brian Hoff.” Go back to Yemen where you belong.
Angemon says
Give it a rest, mahommedan. This is not 19th century America – which would be a infinite improvement over 7th century Arabia your lot loves so much – this is 21st century America. Your Manchurian candidate lost. Trump > allah, period. This one time World War happened, except it was two times, and on the 20th century. Does that mean we’ll have a World War tomorrow? Of course not.
The people have spoken. Trump won fair and square. You and the rest of the moaners can cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it. And once you cross said bridge, run to the nearest pharmacy and buy a cream for your hurt butt. Or just drink camel piss, I don’t give a f***.
BTW, dummy, Robert Spencer is an American citizen.
quota raven says
To Brian Hoff – Oh, shut up, you moron.
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
“Brian Hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–wrote:
It isnot (sic) over yet than (sic) 3rd party can tranfer (sic) they (sic) votes to her votes than pa oh and fl got (sic) to Hillary Trump lose 69 votes and Hillary gain 69 votes. This happen alot (sic) in 19th century american and it is legal by hight (sic) court ruleing (sic).
…………………………………..
What absolute bosh–there is no law by which third-parties can transfer their votes to the Republicans or Democrats. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein–the Green Party can not decide to transfer their votes to Hillary Clinton. Where did the semi-literate “Brian Hoff” come up with this?
Besides, what is at issue are Electoral College votes–and neither the Greens nor the Libertarians have taken any in this election. In fact, for good or ill no third party has done so since 1968.
More:
It the deal is make before than certain day next month. In once election the deal was made after that day the democratic party gave the GOP they votes in a 6 parties race on the the understanding the GOP end the military occupation of the south. More states might change on who won then. Robert since you where born in the UK you might know this American history.
…………………………………..
Good lord–where to start? Again, this whole thing is a fantasy on “DefenderofIslam’s” part–such a transfer of votes is not possible.
There is no “military occupation of the south”–unless “Brian Hoff” believes that most Southerners actually think that they are still seceded from the Union.
In this eventuality, none of the votes from the South would count in an American election, in any case.
Why is “DefenderofIslam” so unclear on the concept that once a vote is cast that it cannot be changed? I suppose it because the whole idea of democracy is so alien to Mohammedans…
And no–Robert Spencer is an American. He was not born in the UK. And–as Angemon notes–this article was written by Christine Williams, in any case.
Yet more:
I guess they didnot (sic) treach (sic) you this in history class. (sic) It happen alot (sic) in 19th century america where we have 6 to 8 major parties.
…………………………………..
There were never “6 to 8 major parties”. The parties have changed over the years–the Whigs are no longer around, and there have been quite a number of third parties over the years, but there were never “6 to 8 major parties”.
Where did they “treach” such history? No wonder poor “Brian Hoff” is so semi-literate.
More:
Than it is perfect legal it done before jan 3rd 2017.
…………………………………..
“Brian Hoff’s” “treachers” need to be fired…
More:
The current president can pardon Hillary and congress cannot impeach her.
…………………………………..
Hillary Clinton has not been charged, tried, or convicted for any crime–so a pardon would not make any sense. Unless he is suggesting that she be pardoned prophylactically for any crime she might commit–no one can be given this kind of immunity.
Really, the depths of Muslim ignorance are really quite breathtaking in their own way…
Turn right at Bass Strait says
At The Breakfast of Champions Huma is toast.
Michael Laudahn says
‘Donald Trump will never be president in my lifetime.’ – Janet Reno, 21/7/38 – 7/11/16. – Did she commit suicide to keep her promise?
David M says
I think it’s called fate. God is really showing his hand in the last few weeks.
Turn right at Bass Strait says
Reminds me that George Orwell said that “by age fifty a man has the face that he deserves”. Orwell died aged fortynine.
It’s not Fate, it’s just that God has a wicked sense of humor (which of course doesn’t impress his galaxy of po-faced saints).
Ali Bey says
Huma Abedin head to roll as soon as possible, please
Praeceptor Maximus says
She’ll be going to jail for sure.
Oliver says
I saw that she and Weiner are talking. Or rather singing.
Ciudadano says
Congratulations fellow JihadWatchers from Costa Rica. I’m not american but happy that the baby killer pro islamist didn’t win
gravenimage says
🙂
Mak says
Hi to your lovely country from America! All of us on planet Earth got a little safer today. Now for other governments to see this kind of change.
DFD says
Thank God!
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That will also serve as a further wake up call to Euro voters, a boost for AfD, Wilders, Le Pen etc. And what a boost! And it shows, we, the people have not been completely idiotized and dumbed down.
On a personal note, I am grinning at the emotions of the Soros tart in Germany. Elections are in 2017.
Well folks, let’s hope (atheists) and pray (believers) that THE Donald was ‘only’ he beginning, a bright light at the end of the tunnel!
Greetings all.
andra says
Right you are. This election evokes hopes for Western Europe.
Congratulations to the United States.
gravenimage says
I hope you are right, DFD and Andra!
Mak says
I really think this will be a huge wake up call for Europe, Australia, etc!
Aussie Infidel says
Now that Donald Trump is US President-elect, will British PM Theresa May still ban him from visiting Britain? This stupid woman was the Home Secretary who also refused admission for Robert Spencer and Pamella Geller, because they too voiced strong opinion against ‘radical Islam’ – and might cause ‘civil unrest’.
I only hope Mr Trump does what he says he will do. Many people in Australia also see Trump’s victory as an indicator that change is needed here too. Hopefully, it will pressure our government to repeal Section 18C of the Human Rights Act which criminalises free speech, and get rid of a lot of red tape which hampers business.
We have always had good relations with the US, and long may it continue.
gravenimage says
Well, May just congratulated Trump, but who knows?
“Theresa May congratulates Donald Trump for winning US election – but here’s what she said a year ago”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/theresa-congratulates-donald-trump-winning-9224679
Peggy says
Wouldn’t it be sweet if Trump had Robert and Pamela visiting the UK with him in the near future.
Yorkshire Kufir says
Well done USA, But you have a lot of ground to win back.
gravenimage says
Very true.
Daniel Rubio says
Muslims in the U.S.A. should be on deportation planes, not at the voting booths
Oliver says
The leader of The Nation Of Islam. Farkhan. If I spelled it correctly. Endorsed Mr Trump. Saying Obama did nothing for blacks. Made inner cities more dangerous. No jobs. Etc.
Went on to say that Mr Trump made jobs. Knows how to create jobs. Etc.
Said Clinton would just continue Obama’s failed policies. Urged followetsw vote Rep.
gravenimage says
Oliver wrote:
The leader of The Nation Of Islam. Farkhan. If I spelled it correctly. Endorsed Mr Trump.
………………………
I’m sorry–this is absolute claptrap:
“Farrakhan: ‘I never endorsed Mr. Trump or any of the candidates’”
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_102946.shtml
He only “praised” Trump for not accepting money from the “Zionists”–this was early in the campaign, when Trump was just spending his own money on his run. This was not a rejection of Jews on his part–but the vicious antisemitic Farrakhan pretended to interpret it that way.
Oliver says
Ok. I had read it on a news site. Where he was supposed to have said it. Unclear the Friday before the election or the prior Friday.
In the quotes nothing was mentioned about Jews or Zionists. Note
One of Mr Trump”s largest and first supporters. Frpm Nevada. Name escapes me
Billionaire casino owner. Is Jewish. A dedicated Zionist and Republican.
Dov Berrol says
I am a proud centrist who looks with scepticism at all blind followers of written doctrines. The extreme doctrinaire left is as dangerous as the extreme doctrinaire right to me. The silent majority of the citizens of the western world are for the most part centrists. The Democratic Party under Obama has lost the support of this important part of society. Canada’s Stephen Harper understood the importance of the “centre” as did Israel’s Likud Party and Yesh Atid Party. Trudeau’s Liberals in Canada will eventually slide over to the centre as well – their natural position. We centrists do not believe anything the dogmatic CNN or BBC tells us, and neither do we take Fox News seriously. We are the wise, rational centre that is often overlooked. We know an evil ideology when we see it, and Obama did not offer a rational and effective response to the dangerous ideology called Islam. That’s why Hillary lost.
Vice says
Spot on
Mak says
Well said. I think many of us are hoping Trump will be rational and centric. I actually feel deep down he is. But either way we dodged a horrible bullet (Hillary) and I think this thread shows all of us celebrating a little!
Peter says
Clinton News Network (CNN) is busy this morning trying to get Trump’s team to say that Trump will not prosecute Hillary. “Equal Justice Under Law” should apply to her, just as it should to everyone else. Obama may pardon her for her email debacle, but the Clinton Foundation leaves her entire family vulnerable to legal prosecution, and that would be “just.”
Baucent says
Even if Obama did pardon Hillary, any wrong doing by the Clinton Foundation or it’s officers could still be prosecuted IMHO.
Angemon says
Don’t miss the next season of “Orange is the new Black”, starting January 20, 2017!
Mirren10 says
*Excellent* news ! I must say I’m pleasantly surprised, I thought the evil Hilary and her goebbels machine would fool people. But they didn’t, the American people have cocked a snook, well done ! Like others on this thread, I hope this victory for commonsense will reverberate throughout Europe; in the Netherlands, Geert Wilders for PM, in France, Marine Le Pen, in the UK, kick out May and bring in UKIP and our Nige, Germany, kick out the evil Merkel, bring in AfDi.
And now, all Americans who voted for Mr Trump; **make sure he fulfils his campaign promises** !! And hold his feet to the fire if he starts to vacillate. (He’s a politician now, and they are always twisting and shifting).
Does any American here think he actually will have Hilary indicted ? *That’s* something I’d love to see. 🙂
quota raven says
To Mirren – LOL “cocked a snook”???
Don’t understand it, but I love it anyway.
Cheers!
quota raven
Mirren10 says
Hi, quota, sorry ! It means ”thumbed their noses”. 🙂
quota raven says
Thank you, Mirren! Love it even more, now that I understand it! Cheers – qr
gravenimage says
🙂
Jaladhi says
Once in a while the lies catch up and people refuse to be fooled by the elitist politicians and media. Lets hope Trumps puts a brake on USA’s slide down the drain during the current President and starts an upswing in the morale of the country!
Crusades Were Right! says
Dear President Trump,
Please appoint Robert Spencer your Special Adviser on Islamic Affairs.
Sincerely,
A believer in Western Civilisation
Mirren10 says
Hear, hear !!
Don McKellar says
Ding dong, the witch is dead…
Wow, there must by a whole lot of Islamic supremacists, globalists, left-fascists, China, Mexico, evil overlords like Soros, CAIR, Merkel, the UK government, Trudeau-buddy, flaky environmentalists — you name it, they are FURIOUS! They are CRUSHED by this!
But you know who’s crushed the most? Take at look at the vote split in the District of Columbia! I think is was 95% Hillary. That tells you everything you need to know who the biggest losers were in this election.
Amazing.
Mazo says
Hillary promised to maintain the anti-China “Pivot to Asia” and sign the anti-China TPP trade agreement with Southeast Asian nations to place them in America’s camp.
Only a mental retard like you, could somehow interpret Obama and Hillary’s “Pivot to Asia”, which involves stationing massive amounts of American military forces to surround China and sign trade deals (TPP) with Asian countries but excludes China, as “pro-China”. Obama has been withdrawing American military forces from other areas of the world to direct them against China. Clinton pledged to massively ramp up American military presence in East Asia and attack China over the South China Sea.
Vietnam, Japan etc. supported a Clinton presidence.
America fears Indonesia will come into China’s orbit if it decides to rip up relations. Trump is going to mantain relations if he does not want them to abandon the USA.
http ://www.antaranews. com/en/news/107712/trump-to-seek-indonesias-agreement-on-trade-commitments
https ://www.thejakartapost. com/news/2016/11/09/us-pledges-to-maintain-relations-with-indonesia.html
If it is decided in America to antagonize Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and the others, they will seek protection under China.
China is a nuclear armed country with ICBMs and Saudi Arabia has purchased DF-21 missiles from China. China has invested in nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has said if it goes buclear, it will seek the bomb with China and Pakistan’s help.
India and China are the major customers of Gulf Arab oil. Most Saudi oil is not sold to the west but to Asia.
China can arm Saudi Arabia with nukes. Most Americans seem to forget which countries posses nukes and which don’t.
America was beaten down the last time you tried approaching China’s border on October 25, 1950. Beaten back all the way down the Korean peninsula with your tails between your legs.
Daniel Triplett says
I’m hoping President Trump will seek an alliance with China and Russia to defeat our common foe: Islam.
Yes, you make salient points about the Chinese/Saudi relationships. And as with the Russo/Iranian relationship, and our own US relationships/ “alliances” with all the Gulf Arab States, these must all be re-examined.
With the right incentives, I’m hoping we can initiate a divorce of Russia and China from the Ummah, as well as recognize our own relationships with the Islamic governments of these 57 Muslim states as enemies of the Free World until their Islamic ideology is eliminated. Their friendliness to us is merely feigned as a means to an end. They’re trained, expert deceivers, just like their deity.
Their are no true “alliances” with Arab States, as some talking heads on TV, even Fox, would have us believe.
The Ummah’s alliance is with Islam. They’re just using the rest of us until they’re in a better position to destroy us, realizing their dream of a Worldwide Calphate, whether that be in 1 year, 10 years, or 100 years. They’re very patient. They’ve been working on this project for 1400 years, and they’ll never give up until they win, or we force a Worldwide criminalization of their criminal enterprise ideology.
“Total War: Extinguishing Islam from Earth” @dantriplett
https://medium.com/@dantriplett/islamic-jihad-is-total-war-for-all-marbles-6c858098b76e
gravenimage says
More from the repulsive Mazo:
If it is decided in America to antagonize Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and the others, they will seek protection under China.
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In other words, cringingly appease Islam or Muslims will seek nukes from our enemies. More threats from Mohammedans…
More:
America was beaten down the last time you tried approaching China’s border on October 25, 1950. Beaten back all the way down the Korean peninsula with your tails between your legs.
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This would, of course, be a reference to the vicious Communist tyranny of North Korea.
Muslims may regard them as “filthy Infidels”, as well, but they certainly admire barbarians when they see them. *Ugh*.
Mazo says
Muslims fought in the Korean War. A Muslim Major from Harbin in the Chinese army helped identify Turkish prisoners of war.
Muslim war hero General Ma Lin’s son helped donate money to the China’s army inthe war effort. Ma Lin fought againat imperialists himself 50 years earlier.
Angemon says
Hi Mazo. You should worry less about 1950’s Korea (keep your North Korea and the angry midget running it – how does that guy manage to be both underfed and overfed? No wonder he’s so angry all the time, LOL! – and let South Korea do its thing with whomever they want, mkay?) and more about Outer Manchuria and the other territories you lost. What’s that? You’re too scared of paper bear Russia to reclaim them? Tibet is a better, softer target? Figures… 😉
Mazo says
Outer Manchuria was signed by treaty like Hong Kong.
The Russian Empire took the region in the middle of the Second Opium War and China agreed to sogn the Treaty of Aigun as China was busy warring againat France in Britain.
The Russian Empire and Soviet Union however took away territories like Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva from the Qing dynasty, and China never signed any treaties agreeing to their annexation. They were seized without treaty. The Republic of China and People’s Republic of China accepted the Treaty based annexation of “Outer Manchuria” while repeatedly affirming its claims over Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva and never recognized Soviet rule over those areas.
The Republic of China also never signed a treaty recognizing Tibet’s independence and internationally, Tibet was recognized as belonging to the Republic of China. Britian’s 1914 Simla Accord recognized Tivet as under suzerainty of China and America’s “Why We Fight” videos in Worls War II show Tibet as part of China
Republic of China Muslim General Ma Bufang and his Muslim amey defeated the Tibetan army in 1932 when they tried invading Qinghai.
The Republic of China’s Muslim 36th division fought against Soviet forces in Xinjiang in 1934 and 1937.
Republic of China Muslim cavalry forces from Qinghai under Muslim Generals Han Youwen and Ma Chengxiang fought against the Soviet Red Army in the 1944-1946 Ili Rebellion. They were sent by Muslim Generals Ma Bufang and Ma Lin. Ma Lin’s son helped in the Korean War.
The Republic of China Salar Muslim General Han Youwen and his Muslim cavalry fought against the Soviet air force over the disputed Baitak Bogdo Pei-ta-shan area in 1947. His soldiers downed a Soviet aircraft with a machine gun. Han Youwen was directly injured in World War II by Japanese aircraft.
Muslim Generals like Ma Hongbin, Han Youwen who fought the Japanese and Soviets became Generals in the PLA after defecting in 1949 to the Communists and Han Youwen served as a government official in Xinjiang.
People’s Republic of China directly fought against Soviet forces in border clashes in Xinjiang. Han Youwen was one of the government officials and military commanders there. The Soviet Union was nuclear armed.
After the Soviet Union collapased, Gorno Badakhshan was in Tajikistan, and Tannu Tuve was cut off by Mongolia the entire time. China settled the border disputes peacefully with Myanmar in the 1950s. The People’s Republic of China gave up its claim to Kachin state in Myanmar from when Britian took it from the Qing dynasty. Myanmar was not a nuclear armed power but an internationally recognized country.
Gorno Badakhshan’s Pamiri natives fought against the Tajik dominated Tajik government in the Tajikistan Civil War in the 1990s. Taking away half of Tajikistan while they were in the middle of a Civil war is a massive dick move, and would reault in Pamiris waging war against both China and Tajikistan, so China recognized it as part of Tajikistan. Tajikistan was an internationallu recognized country and seizing half of it would arouse condemnation.
Tibet was never internationally recognized as independent and tried attacking China in 1932 when Ma Bufang crushed their revamchist plans.
Tannu Tuva is impossible without controlling Mongolia. Mongolia was internationally recognized unlike Tibet since China signed a treaty with it confirming its independence.
Outer Manchuria was never claimed once signed away by treaty. Hong Kong was returned after the lease expired accorxing to the treaty. China directly asserted its claims to Soviet occupied Gorno Badakhshan and clashed directly against the Red Army in battle over it. China abides by treaties once signed and showed it was not afraid by directly fighting the Red Army over areas it never signed away by treaty. The only area disputed near Outer Manchuria was Zhenbao island which was not part of the Treaty of Aigun. China fought military battles with the Soviets over it in 1969. Russia returned the island to China in 1991.
Han Youwen went on a Hajj pilgramage for his military service
Angemon says
The Republic of China never recognized the People’s Republic of China, as well as its border treaties with other countries. They consider Outer Manchuria as lost territory. Funny how it’s, in fact, Taiwan that owns China and not the other way around.
China reversed its “unequal treaties” with everyone but Russia. Mao and the Chinese Communist Party owe their existence to the USSR, who aided them in key times, going as far as to breach their agreement with the Republic of China. When the People’s Republic of China was founded, Mongolia (i.e., Soviet Puppet Mongolia) was officially recognized and the rest of the lost territories were never mentioned again because, well, Stalin and Mao were the best of buddies, and if they needed to sweep land disputes under the rug to preserve that image, so be it. And who was going to protest? We all know what happens to dissident voices under Communist regimes.
Better stick to what you’re good at – imprisoning, torturing and killing Tibetans for waving a flag or sending information to the outside about people being imprisoned, tortured and killed for waving a flag – because, unless the Russian Federation totally and utterly disintegrates AND the US give its blessing, you’re not getting those territories back, “unequal treaty” or not.
gravenimage says
More off-topic spam from the sand-throwing Mazo.
Mazo says
The British under Younghusband invaded Tibet in 1904 and slaughtered thousands of Tibetan soldiers on the battlefields and entered their city of Lhasa.
In response, the next year in 1905, Tibetan Lamas in Batang and Yunnan launched a mass uprising, slaughtering French Catholic missionaries after torturing them to death and beheading them and placing their heads on pikes as trophies on their monastaries. The Tibetan Lamas slaughtered Tibetans who converted to Catholicism and the 13th Dalai Lama himself sent troops to gun down Christian converts. Tibetans viewed French as the same as the British, as European Christian invaders.
Angemon says
Who do Tibetans see the Chinese, who imprison, torture and kill them for waving a flag?
Mazo says
The first American CIA agent to be killed in action, Douglas Mackiernan, was slaughtered by Tibetan forces when he tried to cross Tibet in 1950.
Angemon says
The Tibetan guards acted in accordance with their orders. The request of safe-conduct from the American government was delayed and didn’t reach in time. Funny how you leave that out.
gravenimage says
And this has *nothing* to do with Mazo’s Jihadist coreligionists losing their minds over their candidate losing.
Since he can’t launch a Jihad terror attack on us, I suppose he has to console himself with the the thin gruel of spamming us…
Baucent says
Mazo, you are a waste of space. Your incoherent rambling spiced up with irrelevant historical claims and occasionally facts, interests precisely…no one. I really wonder why you bother.
Mazo says
Do read up facts before typing lies. Outer Manchuria is not and was never claimed as lost territory by the Republic of China. The Republic of China and People’s Republic of China repudiated unequal treaties regarding concessions and extra territoriality, but never invoked claims on lost territories signed over by treaty.
Territory signed away in unequal treaties by the Qing dynasty was recognized as lost territory by the Republic of China in 1912-1949 and never reclaimed.
“Outer Manchuria” and Zhetysu in Xinjiang (Semirechye Oblast) were signed away by treaty by the Qing dynasty to the Russian Empire. The Treaty of Aigun for “Outer Manchuria” and the Treaty of Tarbagatai for Zhetysu. They were NEVER ever reclaimed or asserted as part of China ever again, not by the Republic of China in Taiwan or by the People’s Republic of China.
The Russian Empire seized Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva from the Qing dynasty without siging any treaty. The Republic of China refused to recognize the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union’s control over those two areas. The Republic of China claims Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva while it does not claim “Outer Manchuria” nor “Zhetysu “.
The Republic of China’s claims clearly show only Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva.
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg
NOT “Outer Manchuria” and Zhetysu.
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/18_century_Qing_China.png
“Outer Manchuria”
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Manchuria.png
Zhetysu
https ://commons.wikimedia. org/wiki/File:%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_1900.svg
Zhetysu (Semirechye Oblast) is now part of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. The People’s Republic of China recognizes it as part of Kazakhstan and never even disputed it in the first place.
The Republic of China recognized Outer Mongolia in 1945 when it signed the “Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Alliance”. Before the People’s Republic of China in 1949. The Soviet Union managed to get the entire eastern blog to recognize Outer Mongolia as a legitimate state and stationed Red Army troops there. Republic of China Muslim forces fought against the Soviet air force in Outer Mongolia at the Baitak Bogdo Incident in 1947.
Tibet received zero recognition unlike Outer Mongolia. Britain, the Soviet Union, and America all recognized Tibet as part of China from 1912-1949.
The People’s Republic of China recognized and conceded Kachin state as part of Myanmar. Which was taken by Britain as part of British India. The Republic of China still claims Kachin state.
The People’s Republic of China recognized and conceded Gorno Badakhshan as part of Tajikistan after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Myanmar and Tajikistan are both far weaker countries than Russia and America. Myanmar is plagued by insurgency and was a pariah state for decades. In fact, China de facto supports the United Wa State Army who effectively control Wa State, and they run it as a de facto part of China. China conceded Kachin state and Gorno Badakhshan to avoid territorial disputes with recognized countries over populated lands.
The People’s Republic of China respected the terms of the lease on Hong Kong while openly at war with Britain. China fought British troops in the Korean War and drove them out of North Korea but did not cross into Hong Kong to seize it and violate the unequal treaty lease.
The People’s Republic of China openly defeated India on the battlefield in the 1962 Sino-Indian War, and occupied all the dispute territory south of the MacMahon line, but voluntarily withdrew from the disputed area after winning the war, and India now turned the disputed area into Arunachal Pradesh state. The disouted MacMahon line was a legacy of British imperialism. Another line China respected despite defeating India. Unlike India which took back Goa by force.
In short, you blatantly lied on multiple counts.
The Republic of China from 1912-1949 never tried to dispute any land lost in unequal treaties. It attacked unequal treaties over concessions and extraterritoriality but recognized “Outer Manchuria” and Zhetsu as part of the Soviet Union, and Hong Kong as under British lease.
The Republic of China only disputed territories with the Soviet Union and Britian which the Qing dynasty never signed over. Such as Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva with the Soviets, Kachin state, MacMahon and the Johnson line with the British.
The People’s Republic of China only continued the Republic of China’s land claims in Gorno Badakhshan, Kachin state, and the MacMahon line, and conceded even further. The People’s Republic of China conceded Kachin state to Myanmar, it voluntarily withdrew from MacMahon line after defeating India, and after the Soviet collapse, conceded Gorno Badakhshan to Tajikistan.
The Soviet Union rammed recognition for Outer Mongolia though the UN and the entire eastern bloc, unlike Tibet. It became an internationally recognized state once the Republic of China signed the “Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Alliance” in 1945.
Tibetans are not one group. Tibetans are divided into separate groups which live in Tibet proper in U-Tsang, in Qinghai province, and in Kham. Khampa Tibetans, Qinghai Tibetans and U-Tsang Tibetans were never under the rule of a single Tibetan authority.
The 13th Dalai Lama and 14th Dalai Lama from 1912-1949 only ruled U-Tsang.
Qinghai was ruled by the Muslim Governor Ma Bufang on behalf of the Republic of China. Kham (Xikang) was ruled by the warlord Liu Wenhui on behalf of the Republic of China.
The Dalai Lamas harbored irridendist sentiment towards Qinghai and Kham and wanted to conquer them. Ma Bufang defeated the Dalai Lama in battle when the Dalai Lama tried conquering Qinghai.
To this day, the 14th Dalai Lama’s CTA continues claiming Qinghai, parts of Gansu like Labrang Monastery, and Kham as part of “Greater Tibet”.
The Salar Muslims, Hui Muslims, and Dongxiang Muslims of Qinghai and Gansu reject Tibetan rule. Salars and Hui fought against the Dalai Lama in 1932 when he tried taking their land. They to this day reject Tibetan independence. The Salar’s only land is in Qinghai and they refuse to concede it to Tibetans.
The Khamba Tibetans under Pandatsang Rapga also rejected the rule of the Dalai Lamas from Lhasa in U-Tsang. Pandatsang Rapga supported remaining in the Republic of China. The Khamba Tibetans never recognized the authority of Lhasa and opposed British imperialism.
The 9th and 10th Panchen Lamas supported China.
In 1924, the 9th Panchen Lama had a dispute against the 13th Dalai Lama who wanted to seize his assets. The 9th Panchen Lama fled Tibet and defected to the Republic of China.
In 1937 the 9th Panchen Lama died. His officials chose the 10th Panchen Lama Choekyi Gyaltsen while the 14th Dalai Lama chose a rival candidate. The Muslim Governor of Qinghai Ma Bufang protected and patronized the 10th Panchen Lama Choekyi Gyaltsen until 1949 when the Communists took over.
The 10th Panchen Lama defected to the Communists in 1949. In 1954 the 14th Dalai Lama met with him and admitted that he fucked up big time and that his candidate was the false candidate and acknowledged Choekyi Gyaltsen as the true 10th Panchen Lama.
In 1959 the 14th Dalai Lama fled to India while the 10th Panchen Lama remained and pledged his alleigance to the Communists.
In 1989 the 10th Panchen Lama died. Again, the 10th Panchen Lama’s officials and associates selected Gyaincain Norbu as 11th Panchen Lama while the 14th Dalai Lama’s people selected Gedhun Choekyi Nyima as 11th Panchen Lama leading to the current dispute.
The 14th Dalai Lama committed war crimes against Kazakh refugees in the 1930s. Kazakh Muslim refugees including women and children fled from Soviet oppression to China. The Kazakhs passed through Xinjiang and tried crossing through Tibet under the 14th Dalai Lama’s rule. The Lhasa Tibetan soldiers massacred the Kazakh refugees and looted their valuables. Kazakh survivors straggled through until they reached British India and sought asylum there.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Do read up facts before typing lies.”
Lies? Far from it. Oh, BTW, if you are telling me to “read up facts” you are saying that I’m ignorant of the subject. If I’m ignorant then I can not be “typing lies”, can I? Pick an insult and stick with it, dumbass.
“Outer Manchuria is not and was never claimed as lost territory by the Republic of China.”
Chinese maps published in Taiwan refer to the Outer Manchuria area as “lost territories”. Like I said, you’re not getting them back unless the Russian Federation totally and utterly disintegrates AND the US give its blessing.
Angemon says
“In short, you blatantly lied on multiple counts.”
Hilarious coming from the kid who named a muslim as having fought on the American Civil War for the North side when, in fact, he converted to Christianity years before even moving to America. He even changed his name to Nicholas, but you referred to him by his former muslim name.
Mazo says
More lies.
Outer Manchuria is not named as lost territory on Republic of China maps.
Republic of China maps in Taiwan do not show Outer Manchuria or Zhetysu as lost territory. They show Tannu Tuva and Gorno Badakhshan as “lost territory”
I showed the actual maps of Republic of China claims here. You can’t show any, because you are lying and you know it.
http ://rzx135.prospect-bearing. com .tw/wp-content/uploads/images/wretch/4/1891071797.jpg
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg
http ://www.globalsecurity. org/military/world/china/images/map-1936.jpg
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/ROC_PRC_comparison_eng.jpg
http ://pro-classic. com/ethnicgv/cmaps/1966/22ROC(1945).jpg
It seems you are illiterate, dumb, or stupid. Outer Manchuria as shown below is to be found nowhere in the above maps of the Republic of China.
“Outer Manchuria”
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Manchuria.png
Zhetysu
https ://commons.wikimedia. org/wiki/File:%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8
Nobody respects America’s blessing. India said fuck you to America, when India violently reconquered Goa and riddled Portuguese soldiers with bullets without approval from America. Pakistan, which was supported by America against India in the Cold War, has been rubbing it into America’s face for the past 20 years in Afghanistan especially in 1996-2001. That is how much respect they have for America’s “blessing”.
Show me a government document from the Republic of China which shows a claim to “Outer Manchuria”. Show me a map, made by the Republic of China which includes “Outer Manchuria”. You have not refuted a single point I made.
The Republic of China recognized the Treaty of Aigun and Tarbagatai and the lease on Hong Kong. It did not recognize the non-treaty occupations of Tannu Tuva, Gorno Badakhshan, the MacMahon Line, Johnson line and the occupation of Kachin state. The Republic of China demanded the Soviets hand back Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva but did not make a single claim to “Outer Manchuria”.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“More lies.”
“More”? “Lies”? You haven’t refuted anything I said so far.
“Outer Manchuria is not named as lost territory on Republic of China maps.”
Taiwan based maps refer to Outer Manchuria as “lost territories”. That much I can confirm from first-hand experience.
“I showed the actual maps of Republic of China claims here. ”
Still pushing that strawman? Exactly what did I say about Republic of China claims? I said that the ROC regarded it as lost territory, not that they were claiming it.
“Outer Manchuria as shown below is to be found nowhere in the above maps of the Republic of China.”
Were they manufactured in Taiwan?
“Show me a map, made by the Republic of China which includes “Outer Manchuria”.”
See above – were any of the maps you’re touting as “evidence” of something I didn’t claim made by the Republic of China?
“You have not refuted a single point I made.”
LOL!!! Hilarious coming from your strawman-producing ass!
“The Republic of China demanded the Soviets hand back Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva but did not make a single claim to “Outer Manchuria”.”
Did I say they made? No, what I said was, and I quote:
That you were triggered and enraged to the point of making a strawman (“you lie, ROC is making no claim over Outer Manchuria”), as well as riddling your posts with unrelated irrelevancies (Goa? Myanmar?) shows how unhinged you are. Seems like I struck a nerve, buddy. Maybe you should take anger management lessons? Choke on your own bile, mohammedan, because Outer Manchuria will remain with Russia for the foreseeable future. And there’s not a damn thing you or your coreligionists can do about it 😉
Angemon says
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“Outer Manchuria”
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Manchuria.png
Zhetysu
https ://commons.wikimedia. org/wiki/File:%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8
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Oh, yeah, I forgot: you are the resident instant expert, courtesy of wikipedia. For s***s and giggles, I went and check what your authoritative source says about Outer Manchuria:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Manchuria
And lo and behold:
Even your authoritative source backs what I said, which was:
You’re done here, humiliated and disgraced, as usual. I expect an immediate apology for ascribing me something I did not say and another for the personal insults you derived from it.
Mazo says
Another actual map of Outer Manchuria, which is nowhere to be found on the maps of Republic of China claims I posted.
http ://1.bp.blogspot. com/-YUJPBqnqmvI/UbSqrhauB0I/AAAAAAAAldM/zjjpM9Lcsrk/s400/siberiachina.png
It takes a special kind of retarded intellect, to claim that Outer Manchuria is claim by the Republic of China when their maps exclude the area, and clearly mark out claimed areas by name like Tannu Tuva and Gorno Badakhshan while Outer Manchuria is neither named nor appears on the map.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“It takes a special kind of retarded intellect, to claim that Outer Manchuria is claim by the Republic of China ”
It does, indeed – which is why I’m not surprised to see that it is you who came up with it.
gravenimage says
Grimly hilarious–Mazo has nothing to say about his Jihadist coreligionists disappointment, so he has to rant here on and on about outer Manchuria, of all things.
The very definition of off-topic spam.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“ so he has to rant here on and on about outer Manchuria”
And lie about me, ascribing me something I did not say. He’s upset because he knows what I said is true – Outer Manchuria is not going back to China.
Mazo says
You lie again.
The Republic of China recognized the 1858 Treaty of Aigun which ceded the area of “”Outer Manchuria” to the Russian Empire and the Treaty of Tarbagtai which ceded Zhetysu to the Russian Empire. Both of them unequal treaties and were never rejected by the Republic of China, from 1912 down to this day, it recognized them.
The Republic of China never recognized the Russian Empire’s land grab in Gorno Badakhshan and Tannu Tuva since they were both seized and annexed without treaty.
https ://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Outer_Manchuria
As the Republic of China, now based in Taiwan, has never recognized the People’s Republic of China or its border treaties with other countries, some Chinese maps published in Taiwan still consider the entire Heixiazi Island and the Sixty-Four Villages East of the River to be Chinese territories. However, these maps show Outer Manchuria, sometimes called “lost territories in the Northeast” (東北失地), to be Russian territory.
You lied. The Maps do not label the area as “lost territories in the Northeast” “東北失地” and it does not say that they do in the article. It clearly says, the maps show the area as part of Russia. Some private individuals call it “東北失地”, never the government or mapmakers.
Map of “Outer Manchuria” in light red.
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Manchuria.png
Map of the Republic of China’s claims
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg
“Outer Manchuria” appears in none of the Republic of China’s claims provincial borders. Tannu Tuva does, Gorno Badakhshan does.
https ://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/ROC_Administrative_Subdivisions_zh-hant.svg
“Outer Manchuria” lies outside of the Republic of China’s claims.
Map made in Taiwan. see . tw
http ://rzx135.prospect-bearing. com .tw/wp-content/uploads/images/wretch/4/1891071797.jpg
No apologies to liars like you, because I can actually read unlike you.
Your repeated lies listed as following:
China reversed its “unequal treaties” with everyone but Russia….. “unequal treaty” or not. Chinese maps published in Taiwan refer to the Outer Manchuria area as “lost territories”……. Taiwan based maps refer to Outer Manchuria as “lost territories”.
The Republic of China and People’s Republic of China did not reverse the unequal treaty lease on Hong Kong. The Republic of China still does not even claim Macau or Hong Kong to this day. The People’s Republic of China went even further, and conceded territories seized outright with no treaties by imperialist powers, like Kachin state to Myanmar and Gorno Badakhshan to Tajikistan, and conceded part of a disputed area to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Instead of attacking Myanmar and Tajikistan and retaking the land. Myanmar and Tajikistan are weaker countries.
Maps published by the Republic of China do not refer to Outer Manchuria as “lost territories”.
http ://www.herald-today. com/upload/2011Feb/201102120003246273.jpg
http ://farm4.static.flickr. com/3457/3976848242_0d34938f53.jpg
http ://www.9tour. cn/Filess/jianga9827.jpg
If China wanted to retake lost territory, it would have invaded Myanmar and Tajikistan and kept the entire area south of MacMahon after it defeated India instead of voluntarily withdrawing and handing India the entire territory. China is offering to recognize MacMahon as the border if India gave up its claims on the Johnson line. China ceded territorial claims to weaker countries.
Tibet under the Dalai Lamas made revanchist claims to the entire Qinghai province and Xikang region and tried to violently take them. Myanmar and Tajikistan did not.
Now go retake Constantinople, Anatolia and North Cyprus from Sultan Erdoğan. What’s stopping you?
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“You lie again.”
Nope. Here’s what I said on my November 11, 2016 at 5:13 am post:
The Republic of China never recognized the People’s Republic of China, as well as its border treaties with other countries. They consider Outer Manchuria as lost territory.
Here is what your authoritative source says:
I’m going to juxtapose what I said with what your authoritative source says, just to drive further home how much of a fraud you are.
I wrote:
Your authoritative source says:
I wrote:
Your authoritative source says:
How am I lying? I’m not, obviously. You owe me an apology for ascribing me something I did not say, another for the personal insults you derived from it and another, to everyone here, because you tried to fool us all. You *went* to that Wikipedia page when you looked for a map. You clearly know what it is written there, which is in complete agreement with what I said, and you still insist in saying that I lied.
Apologies. Now.
“Some private individuals call it “東北失地”, never the government or mapmakers.”
Citation needed. That’s not what it says in the article, is it? It’s on the same f***ing sentence: maps and what the area is called. No mention of private individuals. Shifting the goalposts won’t help you here. You lied, plain and simple, and it’s out there for everyone to see.
Mazo says
Goa- seized by Portugal from the Indian people without treaty or lease, Violently retaken by India, against the will of the United States which supported the Salazar regime in Portugal. An example of decolonization which was feared by the west.
Kachin state- seized by Britain from China in the 19th century and annexed into their colony of Myanmar-Burma (part of British India) without treaty or lease.
China recognized Myanmar’s control over Kachin and did not try to violently reconquer “lost territory” from Myanmar even while Myanmar was an international pariah and sanctioned by the world.
China violently confronted the USA over territory it did not claim, in North Korea. China did not annex North Korea after expelling America from it.
China conceded territory to weaker states like Myanmar, Tajikistan, abandoned an entire territory to India after defeating India and directly fought against the Soviet Union for Gorno Badakhshan before conceding it to Tajikistan upon the Soviet collapse. China clashed along the Soviet border in Xinjiang including at Gorno Badakhshan. It did not claim Outer Manchuria while directly fighting against them.
There goes your bullshit claim that Tibet was retaken because it was weaker. Tibet tried but failed to violently achieve its revanchist claims on Qinghai and Kham in 1932 and refused to give up and drop their revanchist dreams to China, leading to the direct end of the Dalai Lama’s government in 1949.
China drove America out of North Korea and did not annex it.
China drove India out of the disputed area south of the MacMahon, but returned it to India immediately after China’s victory.
China fought directly against the nuclear Soviet Union and its army in the 1960’s for control of Gorno Badakhshan and faced the direct prospect of nuclear war with the Soviets, but decades later China conceded it to Tajikistan, a weak state with no nuclear weapons while Tajikistan was in the middle of a civil war. China could easily have defeated Tajikistan but did not want to take over half of Tajikistan’s territory which had no history of hostility towards China, and no revanchist claims on China’s territory.
China conceded Kachin state to Myanmar, a weak state with no nuclear weapons because it did not have hostile revanchist intentions towards China.
China peacefully waited for the leases on Hong Kong and Macau to expire while driving British troops violently out of North Korea, and while Portugal was proven to be a spent, weak state with India’s violent reconquest of Goa. China never violated the treaty leases.
China fought against two nuclear powers without being held back by fear of nuclear war, and against India, and conceded the territories it gained.
The west does not fight against other nuclear powers. It only fights against weaker states with no nuclear weapons like Iraq abd Afghanistan. Very brave. The United States has never engaged in a conflict with a nuclear power with ICBMS capable of nuking the USA while China fought two nuclear powers head on who had ICBMS and aircraft bombers right next to its borders. China defeated a separatist entity with revanchist intentions towards China.
Arabs fight against nuclear missile armed Israel while USA does not do the same. There is a innate cowardice in a people without the guts to fight those capable of destroying them.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Goa- seized by Portugal from the Indian people without treaty or lease, Violently retaken by India, against the will of the United States which supported the Salazar regime in Portugal. An example of decolonization which was feared by the west.”
Lol! Are you talking about the same United Stated that supported the UPA when the Portuguese fought to keep Angola as a colonial province? Are you trying to get people not to take you seriously? I mean, trying even harder than usual? The USA decried the use of force by India, and that was it. Anyway, neither Portugal or the US are even on the same continent as Outer Manchuria so, like I said, unrelated irrelevancies. You lied. You were caught lying. And you owe me apologies, so get on with it.
P.S.: The Portuguese, allied with Kingdom of Bisnegar (you know, actual Hindus), took Goa from your coreligionists. Well, assuming you consider shias to be muslims and not heretic deviants. Saying that the Portuguese “seized Goa from the Indian people” is simply a distortion of reality to the point where it can be called a *lie*. Portuguese and Hindus allied to take Goa from muslims, so choke on it. But apologize first.
Maria says
Right on! I want Robert Spencer in Donald Trump’s circle of influence.
Peggy says
And Pamela.
revereridesagain says
From a Trump voter stuck in a Blue state with nothing but those damn Hillary arrows as far as the eye could see to everyone out there in the real America who brought the Trump Train triumphantly into the station (Union, that is, in DC)…
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
And one of the sweetest thoughts is what a truly hellish morning they are having over at CAIR.
gravenimage says
Greetings from another Blue Stater, revereridesagain.
Mirren10 says
Just been watching the BBC coverage. Absolutely typical. They interviewed about 6 Clinton supporters, all whinging and moaning, and *one* Trump supporter. She (banging on about what a shock it was, with the implication it was bad news) also interviewed someone from the department of state (?) who was trying to pretend that what Trump had been saying was ‘rhetoric’, with implication he will now go back on it. How I **despise** the BBC.
quota raven says
Mirren – You think the BBC is bad? Last night I watched, variously, ABC, Fox, NBC and CNN, and every one of these major US networks during the coverage of the election results online streaming were 100% anti-Trump! I cannot even count the number of times I saw them broadcast every single slip of the tongue made by the Donald for the past twenty years! It was a pretty discouraging experience until….BINGO, BANGO! We win!!
Like Brixit!
As my son might say, AWESOME result!
Cheers!
quota raven
Mirren10 says
” … BINGO, BANGO! We win!!
Like Brixit!
As my son might say, AWESOME result!”
Yes, yes, yes !!
What is hilarious, also, is listening to creatures like May frantically backtracking. 🙂 **Not one single ‘reporter’ has called that bitch on her statement; ”Mr Trump is not welcome in Britain.”) Gutless wankers, all.
gravenimage says
You should have seen MSNBC–they had someone on characterizing the Trump vote as “White America’s last stand”–as though minorities here are keen to be murdered by Muslims, and only those racist White people could possibly have a problem with it.
This is not only disgusting; it is also untrue. Far more Blacks and Hispanics voted for Trump than for Mitt Romney.
Angemon says
For s***s and giggles, here are some BLM protesters attacking a black guy while “black lives matter” is being shout in the background- you’ll never see it on the MSM or the likes of RT since they deal in divisive identity politics:
quota raven says
to Gravenimage – While I’m not gloating today, I am certainly feeling relieved. I was really very worried that we’d lose the country – virtually and literally – should globalist Hillary be elected and embolden jihadis with her phony open arms and greed for power and personal wealth.
I don’t actually have tv and haven’t for fifteen years, so I was live streaming online last night. And while I am far from gloating, it’s exhilarating to realize that American voters have been able to see through a totally propagandistic, dishonest media and stave off jihadis and NWO’s global government for a while longer. Our Constitution and sovereignty mean everything to me. and I am hopeful that Trump will prove to be on the same page. There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary is NOT.
And, BTW, I, like you, live in a solidly blue state – Oregon – where in Portland they were protesting Trump’s election practically before the votes were counted!
Cheers!
quota raven
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
Horrible, Angemon–and so hypocritical. Black Lives Matter only if they are of the “right” political stripe.
gravenimage says
Hi, Quota. I am just south of you, in California. Both Oregon and California are beautiful states, but sadly riddled with political correctness.
Charli Main says
Indeed. Its been sickening watching all the lovvies and darlings that infest TV “chat” shows whining about Trump. One of Britain’s most ” popular” female TV chat show “celebrities” was blubbering that she ” sooooooo wanted to see a female President of the United States”.
If I mention, that this ” celebrity ” has the IQ of a retarded chimp, you will probably figure out the one I mean.!!!!!!
Mirren10 says
”If I mention, that this ” celebrity ” has the IQ of a retarded chimp, you will probably figure out the one I mean.!!!!!!”
Spoilt for choice, Charli, they **all** do ! 🙂 I’ll bet it was Helen Mirren ! (Or maybe Lily Allen ? I must say I tend to turn off when these morons come on, the old blood pressure can only stand so much). Not to mention my tummy.
gravenimage says
There are plenty of women I would have voted for; Hillary Clinton was not one of them. This was never about gender for most people.
Mirren10 says
”This was never about gender for most people.”
It’s certainly not about gender for me, graven, or for Charli, either, I’m sure. I voted for Maggie Thatcher, but would never vote for May.
It’s luvvies, male *and* female, who turn my stomach. Helen Mirren is the idiot who said she supported Clinton, *because* she’s a woman.
gravenimage says
Mirren, I would *never* vote for someone because of their “identity”–not for a female, or a gay person, or a racial minority. But it their platforms are good, I would gladly vote for any member of these groups.
That’s what has always important to me: policies, character, and competence. (And sometimes, sadly, you can’t get all three). But while it is important to me that a woman–or Black person, or Hispanic, etc are considered viable candidates, I would never vote for someone just because of this.
It is also, as a rule, bs–some might say they would vote for Hillary because she is a woman, but would they do the same for Carly Fiorina or Sarah Palin? Would those who voted for Barack Obama because he was Black do the same for Dr. Ben Carson? Obviously not…
Charli Main says
@ GI
Please don´t misunderstand my post. The woman I referred to wanted a female president, just BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN, and wouldn’t have cared less if the woman was a Communist, Nazi or a retarded chimp in a dress.
mike9a says
The best comment I read elsewhere sums it all up:
Media, this may be the election in which you learn just how much we despise your bias.
Mirren10 says
”Media, this may be the election in which you learn just how much we despise your bias.”
So true.
Angemon says
Mirren10 says
Abe Lincoln got it right, didn’t he ? ”You can’t fool all of the people, all of the time,” 🙂
gravenimage says
The preferred candidate of jihadists loses the US presidential election
……………………..
Yes–and it was not just Muslims here–but also Saudi Arabia, The Muslim Brotherhood, and the Mullahs of Iran who are enraged now. Very telling.
abad says
Trump will have to sever relations with ALL Muslim nations especially Saudi Arabia.
Muslims are NOT to be trusted. Ever.
gravenimage says
I very much doubt he will do that–although he should. But if he distances the US from them, is more cautious, and strengthens ties with Israel, it will be a step in the right direction.
quota raven says
Graven – Exactly! Cheers! qr
Mazo says
Hillary promised to maintain the anti-China “Pivot to Asia” and sign the anti-China TPP trade agreement with Southeast Asian nations to place them in America’s camp.
America fears Indonesia will come into China’s orbit if it decides to rip up relations. Trump is going to mantain relations if he does not want them to abandon the USA.
http ://www.antaranews. com/en/news/107712/trump-to-seek-indonesias-agreement-on-trade-commitments
https ://www.thejakartapost. com/news/2016/11/09/us-pledges-to-maintain-relations-with-indonesia.html
If it is decided in America to antagonize Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and the others, they will seek protection under China.
China is a nuclear armed country with ICBMs and Saudi Arabia has purchased DF-21 missiles from China. China has invested in nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has said if it goes buclear, it will seek the bomb with China and Pakistan’s help.
India and China are the major customers of Gulf Arab oil. Most Saudi oil is not sold to the west but to Asia. India and China will compete in the arms market to sell weapons to the Gulf Arabs.
gravenimage says
Mazo is just spamming at this point–he has posted most of this on other threads.
He is threatening us that dare distance ourselves from any of these Muslim sh*tholes, that they will get the bomb and nuke us.
God, I hate Islam.
Baucent says
Repeating yourself is spam.
Guest says
This is what Clinton gets after years of lies and abandoning our people to the enemy. But hey we’ll still miss her (not)
Norwegian says
Hey! Guess most of you wonderfull people here are americans.
So….
CONGRATULATIONS! ????
gravenimage says
Thank you! 🙂
Schrödinger says
Trump triumphant! Clinton, you’re fired — truth has trumped your lies.
Robert Spencer’s position regarding Donald Trump has quite evidently changed considerably since the President elect first announced his candidacy. I do hope, that if requested, he will in whatever capacity be willing to assist the new administration in helping better inform and educate the United States and this world as to the truth about islam. His books and website have greatly helped me in this regard. The fact remains that the voice of the global counter jihad has been marginalised, fragmented and suppressed to such an extent that most people remain astonishingly confused and ignorant as to what lays, however thinly and poorly disguised, behind the veil of muslim deceit and islamic apology. His own efforts, along with many others, have no doubt assisted in Trump/Pence’s election. There is now an unprecedented opportunity to build upon the achievements thus accomplished in further facilitating this movement.
Islam was designed as a totalitarian system to silence all criticism and crush all opposition to islamic jihad and it’s aim of world domination. The islamic threat cannot be successfully opposed unless people are able to be better informed and speak and act far more freely in defeating it.
gravenimage says
Trump is *far* from perfect when it comes to grasping the Jihad threat, Schrödinger–and he infamously threw the brave Pamela Geller under the bus and counseled caving to Muslim demands for censorship.
But I think has learned some things in the interim–and even if he has not, he is still apt to be *much* better than his political opponent.
quota raven says
Graven – Agreed! One thing I’ve never doubted about Trump is his basic love of the USA. And another thing I feel certain about is that his opponent has no such loyalty to the USA’s best interests.
Cheers!
quota raven
Josephus says
Let us be clear about this. There is a islamic anti christian organization that has been in existence for a thousand years. The last great hit by them was when Saudi Arabia managed to get JFK assassinated with the help of the Texas oil magnates. Robert Kennedy was next and then Reagan got shot but he managed to make peace with Russia with the help of the Catholic Pope St John Paul II. After Reagan finished the oil cartel came back with strength and since then have managed to allow the Islamic cult infiltrate the core of our Christian society and law. These traitors are all libertarian politicians. 95% of the EU leadership are traitors to Christianity. We had a great Christian White Knight in the late US Ambassador that Clinton and Obama sacrificed for Islam. He was a great man with great prospects of being POTUS. Jesus Christ has sent Christians another great man. Trump. His name is our trump car. We must pray for this great man to be safe from harm. May the Holy Mother Mary illuminate Trump and protect him and his family from harm. God grant us peace on earth and the destruction of your enemies AMEN.
Joe says
Besides Trump coming in as the new sheriff, the current jihadist in chief only has 2 months.
Carolyne says
funny, I don’t ordinarily celebrate “Khutba Day.” I guess not a lot of Muslims do either, judging from the election results.