A newly-appointed chaplain for Toronto police is speaking out after coming under fire from the police union for comments made about marriage and women’s duties to their husbands.
Here are “the relevant slides from Sheikh Musleh’s lecture followed by his comments”, courtesy CiJNews:
Duties of the Wife
The wife’s duties towards her husband may be greater than the husband’s duties towards his wife, as Allah says: And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them” [Al-Baqarah 2:228]
• Keep in mind — there is no obedience for the husband in disobedience of Allah
“A halal relationship with her husband”:
• The wife should make herself available to her husband, after marriage has taken place and he has given the mahr [dowry]
• She should not withhold this right from her husband without a valid excuse, e.g. sickness, obligatory fasting etc
• If she refuses without a valid reason then she has committed a major sin
Ask her husband permission before leaving the home
• She should take care to seek permission from her husband before going out of the home that he has provided her
Some of Sheikh Musleh’s additional comments as part of the duties of a wife toward her husband:
even if it doesn’t feel right, or you’re just not in that emotional relationship you know it’s not the right manner, you’re not feeling that at that particular time, still try to make it happen, still try to force yourself even if you have to do that.”
Yet Canada and the West (particularly those under a Multicultural Act) continue to pretend that a clash of cultures does not exist. It is one thing to welcome immigrants of all backgrounds into Western democracies. It is another thing to allow the people of such cultures to undermine our societies and award them influential community roles.
Khan takes the usual position of someone who has been “busted” in the public forum: he explains away his obviously genuinely held beliefs as being “inappropriate if used out of context.” That is a common defense that insults the intelligence of those who know how to read.
“Toronto Police chaplain speaks out after online comments on women’s ‘obedience’ draw concern”, by Natalie Nanowski, CBC News, November 1, 2016:
A newly-appointed chaplain for Toronto police is speaking out after coming under fire from the police union for comments made about marriage and women’s duties to their husbands.
Musleh Khan says he appreciates the criticism of his choice of words after a 2013 webinar surfaced.
Titled The Heart of the Home: the Rights and Responsibilities of a Wife, the webinar is intended for Muslim couples. In it, Khan states that a woman must be “obedient” to her husband.
In the almost hour-long seminar, Khan is heard saying that a woman must make herself available and “not withhold this right from her husband without a valid excuse,” such as sickness or obligatory fasting. The video is posted on the YouTube page for Pure Matrimony, a dating site that brands itself for “practicing single Muslims.”
“Upon deliberating on the definition of ‘obedience’ as being, ‘To yield to explicit instructions or orders from an authority figure,’ I agree that the term was inappropriate if used out of context,” Khan said in a statement Tuesday.
Words ‘inappropriate if used out of context,’ chaplain says“I realise how someone unfamiliar with this nuance can misunderstand my imprecise translation to mean something different to my intended meaning, and the meaning that I know my audience at the time understood clearly,” he added, explaining that the Arabic word often translated as “obedience” in fact denotes loyalty, devotion and love.
In the webinar, Khan breaks down five duties of a wife and then goes on to describe the different rights of a wife. Some Islamic scholars even believe that if a woman “refuses without a valid reason then she has committed a major sin,” Khan says in the video.
“Even some scholars went as far as saying that even if it doesn’t feel right, or you’re just not in that emotional relationship you know it’s not the right manner, you’re not feeling that at that particular time, still try to make it happen, still try to force yourself even if you have to do that,” Khan said.
This list and the explanations behind it have the Toronto Police Association, the union that represents the city’s police officers and the Canadian Council of Muslim Women worried. Earlier Monday, the association raised questions about how the police service vets its chaplains.
Mike McCormack, president of the association, said he’s taken a look at the webinar and has received many calls and emails from concerned members.
‘It’s difficult enough having these comments out there in 2016’“The comments that are attributed to this individual are not what the Toronto Police services or the Toronto Police Association is all about,” McCormack told CBC News.
About 20 minutes into the video Khan explains that a woman should ask her husband’s permission before leaving the home because the man is “the main decision maker of the home.”
“I think it’s appalling,” Alia Hogben, the executive director of the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, told CBC News. “We’ve been fighting for Muslim women’s rights and something like this really sets us back.”
“If his personal opinions are going to interfere with the work he does as a chaplain, that’s pretty damaging for not only the police in Toronto but for the women he might counsel.”
What’s more, Hogben says, Khan’s comments reinforce a stereotype that anti-women views are intrinsic to Islam.
“It is not the Muslim view. Some people, as in any other religion or any other religious communities, think women should be quiet and all the rest of it but that is not the general view within Islam.”
Chaplain underwent ‘thorough background check,’ police sayMcCormack agrees, saying comments like these aren’t appropriate for the police service to be associated with.
“We’re dealing with victims of domestic violence, where it is very traumatic for those victims and asking those victims to come forward,” he said.
“It’s difficult enough having these comments out there in 2016 in a country and in a city that doesn’t support this type of position.”….
BLC says
So will Muslim cops be enforcing the law of the land or Sharia law in Toronto? That’s remains to be seen.
Beagle says
In fairness to this imam, that’s traditional canonical Islam. When delusional, deceitful or willfully blind westerners are gibsmacked and flummoxed by the Islam found in the Islamic sources, they have nobody to blame but their incurious or deceptive selves. Any second rate Orientalist from a hundred years ago could have explained this in detail. But of course, they have been cast into the outer darkness and replaced by Islamic apologists.
Quote: “…a stereotype that anti-women views are intrinsic to Islam.”
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What is more intrinsic to Islam than the Quran and hadith collections? This imam is merely reciting the views of your Seventh Century so-called ‘prophet.’
CrossWare says
I will explain for you the Islamic view of woman: self transporting holes with the secondary function of squeezing out new warriors for jihad and new holes to intrude. Other function is cooking.
L P Gagne says
Bingo, Crossware!
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
faraway says
And when she’s worn out he can buy a new younger one,up to 4 in a lifetime.
Veka Fitzfrancis says
How can she be surprised at that? Has she never bothered to read the Koran?
linnte says
Oh she knows her Qur’an, you can bet. And you can bet she was raised this way too. Here we have a case of real Islam and an Islamic Female pretending to be Westernised to spread the cause of Allah. Once Islamic population in Canada gets big enough, she will drop her false stand like a hot potato!
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Taqiyya indeed.
andra says
Dear Canadians, get used to such comments. This happens when you Import Islam from all over the world.
In Germany e.g. an Imam can preach publically that a wife should be beaten if she does not obey. Honor murders have to be understood in the cultural Background of the traitor. And you must not eat pork in public as you might offend some Muslim Feelings. Get used to it or get Islam out of your Country as soon as possible.
By the way. In Germany there are about 1500 imported marriages with minors. The majority of the Germans demand not to tolerate this abuse. But –
the government´s Minister for Integration says it is inhuman to forbid These marriages or any minor-marriage that was helt in Germany, as you send the miinors involved to social isosation. Therefore it is better to accept paedophily in a marriage.
The Home Secretary on the other hand demands to punish an Iman who marries children with a fee. Sounds like a good beginning but is only a bad joke. The fee shall be up to 1.000 Euro. And that you get as a serious ministrial proposal in a Country where you pay up to 50.000 Euro if you don´t let Register your dog or cut your hedge between March and end of October.
Beware, Canadians, everything the Muslims demand in the near future will be demanded in the name of freedom of religion or speech. Don´t bow to Allah and his Followers or your beautiful Country will follow Europe faster than you think.
linnte says
Don’t ya just love it when the truth of Islam is exposed by authorities like this Police official? Now he has no excuse to not go into Islamic ideology to dig further and find MORE truth! Let’s pray he does, and he becomes a warrior against the Islamisation of his Nation!
Kaos says
Boy can I imagine what would happen if I told my wife she had to ask permission to leave the house!! It would be best if I left the house in one hell of a hurry! Both husband and wife must agree to having sex or IT IS FN RAPE! Muzzies prefer the rape aspect apparently. Muzzie men are culturely, intellectually and morally retarded as they can not understand that women have their own voice. Why do you think that this piece of whale shit says its okay to marry nine year old CHILDREN? They can’t form relationships with women who speak their minds. If the Toronto police department doesn’t throw this retarded, morally bankrupt, backwater piece of hyena shit out, they can all rot in hell. Oh, and he was really checked out was he? Christ they can’t even vet THAT muzzie phuck?! Folks from Toronto figure they are the center of the universe at the best of times, but if the universe was shaped like a dog, Toronto would be under the tail!!!
BLC says
I see you’ve been to Toronto. You know it well.
OMG says
Similar situation here in Australia with people from Melbourne, I’ve been to Toronto, shittiest city in Canada by a long stretch, bad attitudes just like Melbourne, truly horrible weather just like Melbourne and has the bulk of human waste immigrants just like Melbourne. Plus it embraces diversity and builds mosques like nowhere else in Australia, best avoided at all costs.
L P Gagne says
we had a case here in my city [ won’t name it, just to be safe]. There was a situation where two policemen had an interaction with an African ethnic [ again- safety first!], who ended up dead. Not very long after, a new officer was hired – who just happened to be a member of that same ethnic group…..the odd thing was that this individual had numerous convictions for DWI, anger management issues and problems dealing with those
in authority – but was hired nonetheless.. I suspect the same happened here; I don’t for one New York minute believe the new chaplain was properly vetted. If he had been, this sort of medieval thinking would have been uncovered and he would have been disqualified from serving in any ANY position within the force [ one would hope anyway ]. SMFH here!
Thomas Faddis says
Wonder if trudeau will pull an obama, & say: That’s NOT who we are!!
BLC says
He already has. He thinks he’s the new Obama.
Kaos says
I apologize for the profanity in my comments. I just got worked up as this is the most demeaning cult of our life time and their ideals are ALL for supremacy of the non believers. It boggles the mind that elected officials have such bad cranial rectal inversion problems and can’t see what is in front of them when the electorate can. We will see world wide civil unrest as this scourge attempts to invade our homes and lands. Soon the people will loose all confidence in government and THAT is when the feces will hit the oscillator!!
andra says
I don´t believe that the elected officials are too stupid to see what they are doing. As most of them are working for the globalizers they want to have Muslims all around. As Islam does not accept individuality and education it fits in great with the globalisational ideas: People worldwide Need to have an IQ of less than 90, they must not be able to think for themselves. They must not be solidary with their kin, because true solidarity could lead to unrests against the NWO. These stupid globalists only Forget that they will lose against Islam, as Islam – as well as themselves – thrives for global dominance. And Islam is much more crule than the lefties so far can imagine.
Kaos says
It’s the much higher ups with the globalization dreams, not your run of the mill alderman or councilors.
andra says
Not in Europe.
Kaos says
Fair enough. Good point.
L P Gagne says
Andra: U R so right. I read on another site that the socialist/globalists are aligned with the Muslims. They believe that they will be able to use the Muslims as dupes and feel the Muslims can be cast aside at the appropriate time.Muslims have been at war – with all the rest of the planet – for 1400 years. When this all plays out, the Globalist crowd may be in for a very rude awakening….
BLC says
Please don’t apologize for speaking the truth.
linnte says
I have said and heard worse, KAOS. ? Apology accepted.
L P Gagne says
Kaos: I think we ALL get really hot under the collar on this issue; so no harm, no foul!
Crusades Were Right! says
Do Satanists have a chaplain in the Toronto police too?
andra says
You just read about him.
Angemon says
Has the shiny phoney, sorry, pony said anything about this incident? Does any mainstream news media in Canada have the balls to ask him about it?
Notallisweird says
conjugal rights
: the sexual rights or privileges implied by and involved in the marriage relationship : the right of sexual intercourse between husband and wife
rational being says
he gets it straight from islamic texts. The lady protesting does not know her own religion
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.460
Narrated by Abu Huraira
Allah’s Messenger (saws) said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the Angels will curse her till morning.”
And
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3257
Narrated by Talq ibn Ali
Allah’s Messenger (saws) said, “When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire she must go to him even if she is occupied at the oven!”
And
“If a husband calls his wife to bed and she refuses, the angels will curse her until she gets up in the morning.” [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim]
And
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.122 Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet (saws) said, “If a woman spends the night deserting her husband’s bed (does not sleep with him), then the Angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband).” ,
Jay Boo says
Islam’s penis worship cult is revolting.
Same goes for MO
Islam’s ‘Thigh Master’ — and his Puppet.
Between his pockets is his puppet.
This is what little girls fear and despise.
He calls it his revelation.
Even little Aisha knows it’s a lie.
Behold the prophet, Master of little thighs.
The Puppet-Master is enslaved by his own puppet.
What rises between is pockets is no revelation.
It is Satan in disguise.
Shani says
Ephesians 5:22 – 5:24
Ephesians Chapter 5
Koran or Bible? Not much difference!
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
Beagle says
If it’s the same, you should have no trouble finding a Christian preacher saying a wife refusing to have sex is a “major sin.”
I’ll wait, but not holding my breath.
gravenimage says
Good point, Beagle.
DHazard says
So, according to this Muslim chaplain, the word for obedience in Islam is the same word that means loyalty.
Of course the demonstration of this loyalty, in Islam, differs for men and women. Women have to display much more loyalty to their husbands than the other way around.
What we really have is a Muslim getting caught telling the truth. What is the Arabic word for “weasel”?
rich says
Catholicism too teaches that for a married person (male or female) to deny their spouse sex without a serious reason is a grave sin. And that is a fact. Read the Code of Canon Law; it is there in black and white. And the Church’s reasoning makes perfect sense. If we deny our spouse the “usus” [Latin; literally “use”, although in English this sounds worse than the connotation of the term in Latin] we put our spouse into a proximate “occasion” of grave sin; namely, of adultery. And to put another person in the “occasion” of grave sin without a serious reason is itself “grave matter”. This, if done with both knowledge and full consent of the will, is a mortal sin. Period. It’s as clear as day in Canon Law and it’s as clear as day also in St. Thomas Aquinas’s “Summa Theologiae”. Of course, the Muslims are vile heretics and completely strip this righteous teaching of its human and life-affirming quality by reducing [only] the woman to the level of an object for the man’s selfish lust. Of course that’s wrong.
But nonetheless: Catholicism too teaches that for married spouses to deny each other the “usus” of their body is a grave matter, *never* to be done without a serious reason. The sense of the Latin term is less of “use” in English and more of “rightful enjoyment of what is mine”. In marriage, the man and the woman give themselves *totally* to each other and in this sense give up absolute control over their own bodies. Christ said: “…and the two shall become one flesh”. They ought not deny the other [without serious reason] because their own body is now not wholly “their own”, but shared in a covenant with their spouse. In fact, the “usus” of the spouse’s body [the one thing prohibited, recall, before marriage] is precisely the “matter” upon which the marriage contract is founded. So few Catholics even know this these days. The “matter” of the sacrament of holy matrimony is: the body of the man and the body of the woman. And the marriage “contract” is an exchange of the “usus” of the bodies. In the marriage contract, we make an “exchange”: I freely offer you (and only you) the “usus” of my body and you, my spouse, freely offer me (and only me) the “usus” of your body. And “a deal’s a deal”: if one spouse asks for it, the other spouse *must* render it. That’s the deal. It is a profound and beautiful theology when understood properly and in context. Pope St. John Paul II wrote literally thousands of pages on this and related marriage topics. My point is merely that this idea is utterly Catholic.
Islam is of the devil and jihad is simply the devil doing his evil work in this world. I’m not defending Islam, Muslims, or jihad. Nor am I making a “tu quoque”. There is no moral equivalence here: the Catholic sense of this law shares almost nothing in common with the Muslim sense because the Muslim sense has *zero* appreciation for the inherent rights and dignity of each *person* in the marriage, both male AND female. Still, Catholicism does require [not suggest, but *require*] spouses to render their bodies to each other in marriage “whenever it is reasonably asked for”. That is a fact and anyone who denies it is simply misinformed (or uninformed) about what the Catholic Church actually teaches.
gravenimage says
Catholicism, despite what you imply, does not condone marital rape.
rich says
As I said: anyone who denies that the Catholic Church requires each spouse to render their body to their spouse when reasonably asked for simply is ignorant of what the Church teaches. And apparently that’s you, Graven.
But to suggest that what I have said here implies that the Church condones marital rape is just retarded. Not even going to dignify it further with any more of a reply. Complete non-sequitur and you know it. Are you a Democrat by any chance?
Stick to the Islam stuff where you actually know something maybe.
gravenimage says
Toronto: Muslim police chaplain says wife who refuses sex to husband has committed “major sin”
……………………..
This Muslim “chaplain” is right–this is mainstream Islam.
Now imagine if he was called to a domestic violence case–he would hold the victim down as the perp beat, raped, or murdered her.
Muslims have *no* role in civilized law enforcement.
Joseph Edward (Barook) says
Last night I felt so angry and disgusted that I sent an email to Toronto Police Association President Mike McCormack and was blunt and staright with him. I told him to get his hands on a copy of the quran and read it. I provided verses with chapter Nos. so that he can check it out for himself.
I concluded my email by requesting him and the authorities to investigate this POS and charge him for propagating violence and hate ideologies toward women.
If a non-muslim made the same comment, there would be charges of hate crime laid against him/her.
We don’t need people with such ideoligies in our society and country
I think everyone should immediately send a strong message to Toronto Police Association President Mike McCormack. Send your messages to: mmccormack@tpa.ca and let him know that this is absolutely unacceptable and cannot be tolerated.
Hey you feminists…. where are you when you’re needed to stand up against violence and hatred toward women?
Just as I thought… all bark and no bite
DhimmiNot says
I heard on the Canadian TV news that the Muslim Chaplain is now saying that his words were “mistranslated” from Arabic. He was simply trying to say that a husband and wife should respect each other.
Taqiyya??