Erdogan said: “If you go any further, these border gates will be opened.”
So it’s either admit Turkey into the EU, which would mean essentially that Europe would be ruled from Ankara and would soon cease to exist as we know it, or Erdogan will flood Europe with even more Muslim migrants, among whom will inevitably be an unknowable number of jihad terrorists. For Europe, as far as Erdogan is concerned, the choice is either to be murdered or commit suicide.
“Europe on ‘BRINK OF WAR’ as Turkey gathers boats to ship migrants to Greece over EU anger,” by Alix Culbertson, Express, November 30, 2016:
EUROPE is on the brink of war as Turkey gathers fleets of boats to ship 3,000 migrants a day to Greece in retaliation over the European Union’s (EU) vote to freeze accession talks.
Greek intelligence officers have discovered the Turkish plans which they say involve thousands of dinghies and motorboats already being gathered along Turkey’s western coast.
The analysts said Syrian migrants are preparing to board the vessels and wash up on Greek shores “within a matter of weeks”.
National intelligence officials estimate at least 3,000 undocumented migrants could enter Greece each day under the plan.
They said the plans are being supported by Recep Tayyip Erdogan who has been battling the European Parliament since they voted to halt talks to let Turkey into the union last week.
Although the vote is non-binding the politicians have put up a political wall between the EU and Mr Erdogan.
During a speech in Istanbul on Saturday, the country’s president warned: “If you go any further, these border gates will be opened. Neither me nor my people will be affected by these dry threats. It wouldn’t matter if all of you approved the European Parliament vote.
“We are the ones who feed three-three and a half million refugees in this country. You have betrayed your promises.”
In March this year, Turkey entered into an agreement with the EU in which they accept Syrian migrants who have made their way from Turkey to Greece.
In return for accepting the migrants, Turkish citizens get visa-free access to the EU and the government gets monetary rewards.
However, Turkey’s human rights attitude has continually threatened to topple its accession hopes….

David M says
That’s why countries have armed navies. If you are faced with a hostile invasion you give them a warning, then you start shooting.
Daniel Triplett says
Blast one of those migrant boats to pieces like an amphib on Omaha Beach, and that op would end real quick.
ElderlyZionist says
It’s the same tactic as the Mavi Marmara incident: Send a mass of civilians to force the border with their bodies, and dare the border guards to shoot them. Either the agressors cross the border or they become martyrs, it’s a win/win for the Muslim attackers.
gravenimage says
It also proves two other points–that Muslims are willing to risk the lives of their fellow Muslims, and that Muslims regard the influx of “refugees” into Europe as an invading army.
Peggy says
Muslims are great deceivers. They have been known to orchestrate a massacre on their own and blame the other side to get sympathy and support.
They have done that in the 90s in the Balkans and those Muslims were “civilized” back then.
Imagine what Muslims from ME are capable of.
If need be they will be prepared to martyr themselves in order for Greece to pay the price if they dare to turn them back.
This has disaster written all over it.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Muslims are great deceivers. They have been known to orchestrate a massacre on their own and blame the other side to get sympathy and support.
They have done that in the 90s in the Balkans and those Muslims were “civilized” back then.”
So it was not ill-intent from NATO or Bill Clinton, like you’ve been implying for, what, months now?
ElderlyZionist says
Here they come. This batch walked across the border:
http://www.cincinnatibell.net/news/read/category/Europe%20News/article/the_associated_press-greek_authorities_say_70_migrants_found_in_norther-ap
Daniel Triplett says
The Turkish Caliphate of Erdogan’s dreams.
Tom from Brussels says
It’s time for “No more Mister Nice Guy”. But I suppose that’s too sane for our western leaders
FYI says
Send them to the Vatican.They should be safe in such a nurturing
environment free from any possibility of being molested.I’m sure of it.
Phoney francis would surely love them.He is of the opinion that “Christians and muslims”
worship the same God{you may laugh at this point if you wish}.
So he’s obviously never read the koran then has he?One would expect a Jesuit to know the difference
between the Biblical revelation of God and the islamic Counterfeit version.
Lesley says
When will this “refugee crisis” be acknowledged as an invasion? When??
Winston says
Not before Germany reaches its target of 12 million. The recent Aleppoer Weg presentation at the Architecture Biennale in Venezia gave this number as the immigration target for the next 10 years (i.e. up to 2026).
gravenimage says
Good question, Lesley.
August West says
Fidel Castro is no dead afterall.
Reminds me of Muriel boatlift
kessler says
With this threat seemingly materialising, perhaps now would be a good time to start closing our borders?
That means the end of Schengen (which is doomed anyway), and the ability to turn refugees away on the border. As they do in Denmark.
Most people can’t seem to fathom the magnitude of this muslim invasion and what it will mean for the future of our free society. They chose ignorance and run with the media whitewash rather than challenging the self-defeating political correctness.
Time is running out. We need leaders who are not afraid to tell it like it is and act accordingly.
Bradthefuzz says
The driving force behind the migrant global invasion is the demonic host of Satan assigned to destroy mankind. Prophecy will come to pass. Mankind will be judged. Repent. Jesus is Lord.
Angemon says
Send an emergency force composed of military from ALL EU nations to help secure Greece’s borders. Go up to Erdogan’s face, stick your finger on his chest and tell him, in no uncertain words and using no euphemisms, that this will be received as an act of war. Make sure the whole Turkey know this. He’ll back down faster than a bat out of hell.
Charles says
Those “Refuse-gee” boats must never make it to Europe. When your at war with such a savage and barbaric culture, any and all measures must be taken to protect your own people.
Attach a line. Tow them back to Turkey. If turkey protests, FUCK ‘EM!
Gene says
This is an invasion. Doesn’t Greece have a navy? Tell everyone that Greece will start sinking these boats and then do it. It sound bad and some innocent people will die, but it has to be done. This is a choice that is being forced on Europe and its been made worse because European liberals have turned a blind eye to an invasion by people who hate them. Once you start sinking the boats they’ll stop coming. In the long run it will be better and you’ll protect your own people.
Rufolino says
You live in a dreamworld.
The politically correct leaders of Europe including the Pope would never sanction an attack on “refugee boat-people”. They will be helped ashore as they currently are here in Italy, thousands every week.
The fact that European cohesion and culture are under threat like never before; that Islam is damaging and will then dominate Europe; these things don’t matter !
Most people in Europe are silenced into acquiescence by political correctness. The eventual inevitable result for future generations in Europe:- Islam will triumph.
John A. Marre says
Let us in the EU, and we will send millions of Muslims into Europe, or we will send millions of Muslims into Europe.
Johan elzinga says
Indeed!
Johan elzinga says
Our own parliament ( the Netherlands) was in majority in agreement with the European parliament to stop all talks with Turkey about membership. Unfortunately, the ruling parties, Socialists and what comes close to Republicans, the liberal party, voted to continue. So those liberals betrayed us. To be expected, since mr Rutte is clearly a clown. To be continued, mr Wilders who wants to close the borders is getting a 33 percent votes in the polls. We would like to send the refugees back with some war ships and close our borders for trade with Turkey. There is one big BUT, though: Germany relies for 30% of its energy on Russian gas, sent through pipelines through Turkey. And Turkey will then be left to the muslim hawks, and then it will be completely sure that it will go to the dogs. Perhaps imposing import duties as soon as Turkey makes this move will be more successfull, we can take the refugees to the Libyan shore instead. All of them!
gravenimage says
Turkey under Erdogan is already firmly in the grip of the hawks.
gary fouse says
It’s time to kick Turkey out of NATO.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
El Cid says
The comments here are very disturbing. The Syrian civilian crisis is the biggest human catastrophe of our times.
Why would we fire on boats of people?
No, the problem is geopolitical and there is no leadership in the West whatsoever. The Syrians belong in a secure Syria, not wondering in boats.
ElderlyZionist says
The majority of these migrants are not Syrian refugees. Part of the problem is that genuine refugees are being swamped by economic migrants from many lands including muhajiroun and mujahidin, many of whom fully intend to subvert and attack the societies that receive them. Our humanity is being used against us. It’s a sickening, Satanic dilemma, one that has been engineered by deadly, evil enemies. I agree that the West desperately needs leadership to deal with this crisis.
ElderlyZionist says
Recall that the Israelis were forced to fire on the Mavi Marmara mujahidin, even though they were not armed with firearms. Fire on them, or let them through. From time to time, the Arabs send a mob of civilian ‘demonstrators’ to test the fences on the Lebanese border, the Syrian border or the Gaza border. The Israeli border guards must fire on them to stop them. If they are let through the border, they will kill.
gravenimage says
El Cid, most of these “Syrian refugees”–as ElderlyZionist notes–are not even Syrian. We have seen floods of North Africans, Somalis, Afghans, and others coming into Europe in the millions.
And these “refugees” are like no others in history–very few women, children, and old people, instead, mostly aggressive military-aged males.
And this story just shows that Muslims regard this as an invading army.
The idea that Europeans have no options but firing on these boats or else just passively allowing millions of Muslim invaders to enter Europe is quite mistaken.
Surely you namesake would not have counseled sitting passively by while Europe was overwhelmed by these invaders?
ibrahim itace muhammed says
so, eu is exclusive for filthy christians.what about muslim countries in deep central europe like bosnia?are they not entitle to be eu members?is that is the reason why ethnic cleansing and genocide against muslim took place there?turks should stop deceiving themselves aspiring to become eu member?let them intergrate into main muslim world.allah told us that filthy christians and jews will never be please with muslims until they follow their evil path.kamal ataturk committed grave mistake for taking muslim turkey into alliance with filthy christian world turning away from main muslim world.turkey is now being humiliated by filthy christians.turkish economy will benefit more if it reintergrates back to main muslim world with larger population than all of europe and united states.with that turkey will be respected as before when it was the headquarters of muslim world.
ElderlyZionist says
The Turks turned to the West because the Arabs betrayed their bread and salt in 1916. For 100 years the Turks have looked west, but now they are turning east again. Be careful what you wish for. The Turks will rule over you again.
gravenimage says
The appalling apologist for Muslim savagery ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
so, eu (sic) is exclusive for filthy christians.what (sic) about muslim (sic) countries in deep central europe (sic) like bosnia (sic)?are they not entitle (sic) to be eu (sic) members?is (sic) that is the reason why ethnic cleansing and genocide against muslim (sic) took place there?
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Bosnia was a part of Yugoslavia until recently. If the Muslim population was subject to genocide how can it still be majority-Muslim? muhammed, like most Muslims, is incapable of reasoned thought.
No nation is *entitled* to be a part of the EU. Albania, Kosovo, and Bosnia–all Muslim-majority crapholes–are not part of the EU. Why should they be? EU countries are all civilized democracies–Muslim countries are not. All are technically up for consideration for membership–but I doubt any will make the cut.
Note that muhammed considers Christians to be “filthy”, yet still covets membership in the EU. Why? Because this would make the conquest of Europe *much* easier for Mohammedans.
The only reason these countries are Muslim-majority to begin with is because they were invaded by the Ottoman Empire and subject to conquest. Unlike places like Bulgaria and Hungary, they have not been able to free themselves from the Muslim yoke.
And Muslim invaders from Syria and other parts of Dar-al-Islam have no desire to settle in these countries–the influence of Islam has ensured that these are the poorest and most chaotic nations in Europe–Muslims want to suck off welfare in more successful states–they also want to have lots of Infidels to rape and murder in Jihad terror attacks.
More:
turks (sic) should stop deceiving themselves aspiring to become eu (sic) member?let (sic) them intergrate (sic) into main muslim world.allah (sic) told us that filthy christians (sic) and jews (sic) will never be please (sic) with muslims (sic) until they follow their evil path.
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By “evil path” muhammed means that we expect Muslims to act like civilized human beings. How *dare* we? Mohammedans like muhammed know that Muslims cannot follow Islam and behave like anything other than barbarians.
More:
kamal ataturk (sic) committed grave mistake for taking muslim (sic) turkey into alliance with filthy christian (sic) world turning away from main muslim (sic) world.
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Turkey under Kemalism *almost* became a civilized country–how dare Atatürk have expected Muslims to reject Islam to this extent?
More:
turkey (sic) is now being humiliated by filthy christians.turkish (sic) economy will benefit more if it reintergrates (sic) back to main muslim (sic) world with larger population than all of europe (sic) and united states.with (sic) that turkey will be respected as before when it was the headquarters of muslim (sic) world.
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Well, that’s just hilarious. How is Turkey being “humiliated”? Mohammedans always claim this if Infidels don’t completely roll over for Muslim demands.
What Turkey wants is to be able to serve as a conduit to completely overwhelm Europe with ravening Muslim invaders.
And the next is just absurd–Turkey has only been doing as well as it has financially for the past century because of its rough orientation to the civilized world. If it shifts to primarily dealing with Muslim sh*tholes like Iraq and Yemen, it will not be able to retain its current (comparative) wealth.
And the last is even more absurd–Muslims did not “respect” the Ottoman Empire–they feared it. As soon as it began to fall apart, Arabs and other subject peoples could not wait to break away.
Most Muslims–especially Arabs–look down on ethnic Turks, and only “respected” the Ottoman Empire’s bloody military might.
Really, ibrahim itace muhammed has just reminded us–as if we needed reminding–why Turkey and other Muslim crapholes do *not* belong in the EU.
Angemon says
ibrahim itace muhammed posted:
“so, eu is exclusive for filthy christians.”
Why would you want muslims to be in the same, well. wahteverz as Christians, whom you clearly hate?
“what about muslim countries in deep central europe like bosnia?are they not entitle to be eu members?”
Only the Christian half, if I have any saying.
“is that is the reason why ethnic cleansing and genocide against muslim took place there?”
Did it? I don’t see any results, and I certainly won’t believe the words of a muslim, whose religion allows lying.
“turks should stop deceiving themselves aspiring to become eu member?”
Yes, they should. They can either be muslims in a muslim nation or Europeans – islamic values are the polar opposite of core European values such as equality of all before the law. Islam has a lot of similarities with Communism – maybe Erdogan should continue, instead, to woo Putin, who is nostalgic of the USSR.
“let them intergrate into main muslim world.”
Turkey was the seat of the caliphate. Good luck getting Turks to accept being subjects to ISIS, Iran or Saudi Arabia, or getting ISIS, Iran or Saudi Arabia to bow to Turkey.
“allah told us that filthy christians and jews will never be please with muslims until they follow their evil path.”
That’s quran 2:120:
And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion.
“kamal ataturk committed grave mistake for taking muslim turkey into alliance with filthy christian world turning away from main muslim world.turkey is now being humiliated by filthy christians.”
Too bad there’s nothing you can do about it other than to SUCK IT
“turkish economy will benefit more if it reintergrates back to main muslim world with larger population than all of europe and united states.”
Yes, I’m sure all those third-world nations, with their “migrants” will be a boon to the Turkish economy…
“with that turkey will be respected as before when it was the headquarters of muslim world.”
Eh. Never going to happen. That boat sailed a long time ago. How do you propose to get, let’s say, Iran or Saudi Arabia, to respect Turkey as if it were the leader of the muslim world? I don’t know what’s up your pipe, but it’s strong stuff indeed.
Ernie says
Ibrahim , you say : ” so , eu is exclusive for filthy christians .” Then , Ibrahim , how comes millions and millions of muslims are living amongst us in our European countries ? These muslims live in prosperity and in peace . These muslims are save , and are not discriminated or harassed by our populations . They have the protection of our laws . They are free , and have the same rights as any other citizen in Europe . They are free to practize their religion , etc , etc . Besides , there are many people from all kinds of nominations living in Europe under the same conditions as I mentioned before , and secularists aswell , if you call secularism a nomination . There is no Christian hegemony in our European countries . Futher : Christians and Jews are not ” filthy “, Ibrahim . Your claims and utterances are baseless . The facts contradict your claims . You better have a good look in the mirror Ibrahim . Projection is an error of perception . I think ElderlyZionist , Gravenimage and Angemon adressed your other claims perfectly , so I’ll not indulge in doing so .
gravenimage says
Turkey gathers boats to ship Muslim migrants to Greece in revenge over EU talks freeze
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So–give in to Turkey’s demands, and they will ship millions of Muslims to Europe, or don’t cave and they will attempt to do the same in “revenge”? Gee, what a tough choice…
But note the Muslim response to any frustration–not to convince the EU that they will make a fine addition to the European Union, but to threaten and get “revenge”. Why would civilized Europeans want these thugs in the EU?
Peggy says
Turkey is a NATO country so if anyone stands up to it will have NATO to worry about.
The problem is that Greece is also a NATO country so if Greece decided to send these invaders back and if Turkey retaliated in any way who would NATO back up?
Time to throw Turkey out of NATO and deal with this menace.
gravenimage says
Agreed–Turkey *never* belonged in NATO.
bostongal912 says
Turn the boats away! They need to stop cowering to Turkey! That boat is full of men. Where are all the women and children? It’s all a bunch of BS! The EU better wake up before it’s too late. It probably already is! I am relieved that Trump is the president elect! Hope he will fix our broken immigration system before we look like Europe. Obama is trying his hardest to destroy the country. What a traitor!!!
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Turkey is a NATO country so if anyone stands up to it will have NATO to worry about.”
No, they won’t. I know you hate NATO and have no idea of how it works, but please stop spreading falsehoods about it. It’s not helping your credibility.
Peggy says
Oh put a sock in it Angemon. Is this all you do? Look for my comments hoping to make yourself look smart?
It is NOT a falsehood when I say that if anyone attacks a NATO country, NATO will have to defend that country.
Maybe you should look it up and lock it up.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Oh put a sock in it Angemon.”
I can imagine your reaction if I were to tell you that. “You are abusing me! You are disrespectful and you deserve whatever I throw at you because you started it you a-hole!!!”
“Is this all you do? Look for my comments hoping to make yourself look smart?”
Your inferiority complex is not my problem. You are simply wrong, that’s it. One would think that someone would be grateful for being corrected, but not you. A temper issue, maybe?
“It is NOT a falsehood when I say that if anyone attacks a NATO country, NATO will have to defend that country.”
Was that what you said? No, it wasn’t. What you said was, and I quote:
If Greece sends back ships on its exclusive territorial waters back to wherever they came from, how is Turkey, who in that scenario is sending boats into Greek naval space, being attacked? No, what you said amounted to saying “if Greece tries to defend itself from Turkish invasion then NATO will defend Turkey”, which ties in with what you said on another topic, where you said that NATO was going to intervene somewhere to defend muslims. Don’t trie to deny it, you presented Turkey as a bully and NATO as a defender of said bully: “Turkey is a NATO country so if anyone stands up to it will have NATO to worry about”. Stand up: to defend against attack or criticism. You outright said that if someone defended itself from an attack by Turkey NATO would step in to defend Turkey. Do you deny that? Do you have any evidence to back your claim? No, you don’t, you only have a deep-seated hatred of NATO and you go well out of your way to demonize it.
“Maybe you should look it up and lock it up.”
Or maybe you should stop the baseless fearmongering and anti-NATO propaganda. Again: Greece pushing back invading ships is NOT Turkey being attacked. And if a war broke because of it, NATO would either stay out or step in to help Greece. Because Greece was the one who was attacked. Capisce?
Peggy says
? No, what you said amounted to saying “if Greece tries to defend itself from Turkish invasion then NATO will defend Turkey”,
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NO, that is not what I said. I pondered as to which country NATO would back.
This is what I said:
“so if Greece decided to send these invaders back and if Turkey retaliated in any way who would NATO back up”?
You covered yourself well by saying that it amounts to this or that so you don’t have to say I actually said that exactly. You tend to read into my posts what you see fit in order to have another jab. It’s not me being sensitive or paranoid or whatever you wish to throw at me, it’s simply what you do.
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Or maybe you should stop the baseless fearmongering and anti-NATO propaganda. Again: Greece pushing back invading ships is NOT Turkey being attacked.
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Again, when did I say that Greece turning back invaders was attacking Turkey? I said if Turkey retaliated against Greece for sending them back not that sending them back was attacking Turkey.
Either you simply can’t comprehend or are deliberately being provocative in order to get a rise out of me.
My original post states that NATO is obligated to defend another NATO country not that they will protect Turkey from Greece. You read into it what you wanted.
The greatest responsibility of the Alliance is to protect and defend NATO’s territory and populations. Article 5 of NATO’s founding charter, the Washington Treaty, sets out the Alliance’s collective defence commitment. It states that an attack on one shall be considered an attack on all. Article 5 has been invoked only once in NATO’s history, on 12 September 2001, the day after the terrorist attacks on the United States.
You sure like to twist everything I say just to discredit me in any way you can.
That much is obvious.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“NO, that is not what I said. I pondered as to which country NATO would back.
This is what I said:
“so if Greece decided to send these invaders back and if Turkey retaliated in any way who would NATO back up”?”
Then you should be reading about NATO and how it works instead of pondering about nonsensical stuff.
“You covered yourself well by saying that it amounts to this or that so you don’t have to say I actually said that exactly.”
I said it amounts to because that’s what it amounts to. I even went out of my way to explain why it amounted to that, didn’t I? Saying that I “covered well by saying it amounts to this or that” doesn’t address my explanation, which still stands.
“You tend to read into my posts what you see fit in order to have another jab. It’s not me being sensitive or paranoid or whatever you wish to throw at me, it’s simply what you do.”
No, it’s you being paranoid. Perhaps if you were to expand on things when I inquire you I wouldn’t have to “read” into them…
“Either you simply can’t comprehend or are deliberately being provocative in order to get a rise out of me.”
Sweetheart, I know very well, from personal experience, that all I can realistically expect to get out of you are insults and putdowns (you like to write inflammatory things but you simple hate getting questions on what you write), but I don’t let that get in the way of trying to have an open, honest discussion. Trust me, no matter how petty, spiteful, venomous and toxic you think you can be, I’ve had to handle far worse, and without the distance afforded by the internet. So go ahead – keep doing your worse, keep insulting me, keep the fear-mongering and insane claims going, and see how that far gets you.
“You sure like to twist everything I say just to discredit me in any way you can.
That much is obvious.”
And there you go again, whining and trying to play the victim, as you often do. Ever the crybully, aren’t you? Couldn’t just answer the question, you *need* to spit out venom, don’t you?
steve says
DON’T BOATS GO TWO WAYS ???
aspomdpkfm says
I have read all of the comments…Angemon…and others.
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What you all miss is something that is at the heart of all of this, and I urge you to watch the video to which I have posted below, particularly, beginning at 9’30”.
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What we have here is a true clash of civilizations – forget about religion for the moment, though that has everything to do with everything. What is going on is that the secular Turks (whom Erdogan cannot deny, wish fervently to pretend that they are “European”. And the reason Erdogan cannot – and DOES not – reference Ataturk – is that the Turkish people regard Kemal Mustafa Ataturk as nearly a God, himself.
his is Erdogan’s great challenge. It is one that he will never come to grips with. He can never besmirch the name of Ataturk publicly, and, interestingly, he plays on a cultural tightrope, stretched between his visions of a new caliphate, and the secular legacy left by Ataturk, which flies in the face of Erdogan’s Islamo-Fascist dreams.
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But the reality on the ground, in Greece, and Turkey, and Libya and in Cologne, is that you have hordes of uneducated, Mohammed-Loving savages, hell bent on trying to be European, who haven’t the slightest notion of what it means to be a German, or French, or Italian – or even a Greek or a Cypriot.
So what do they do? They come, they rape, they riot and cause general mayhem BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS TO LIVE IN CIVILIZED POLITIES.
And the end result – as shown in the video – is that these savages “can’t” be sent back to their countries of origin BECAUSE THEIR OWN COUNTRIES WON”T TAKE THEM BACK.
What is the solution? Stop them from coming, if necessary, by force.
That is the only way.
gravenimage says
aspomdpkfm wrote:
But the reality on the ground, in Greece, and Turkey, and Libya and in Cologne, is that you have hordes of uneducated, Mohammed-Loving savages, hell bent on trying to be European, who haven’t the slightest notion of what it means to be a German, or French, or Italian – or even a Greek or a Cypriot.
So what do they do? They come, they rape, they riot and cause general mayhem BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS TO LIVE IN CIVILIZED POLITIES.
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aspomdpkfm, if this were simple ignorance on the part of Muslims, it would be a grave problem, but not an insurmountable one. It would also be a problem that would work itself out in time, as Muslims did eventually learn what it means to be civilized Europeans.
But I’m afraid you are mistaken–few Muslims are “hell bent on trying to be European” at all.
Instead, their aim is to impose Shari’ah law here, and to do that in part by waging violent Jihad against us–including the rape of Infidel women, as on last New Year’s Eve.
The truth is that pious Muslims *reject* civilized European values. They don’t want to become European–they want Europe to become Muslim.
aspomdpkfm says
GI:
“It would also be a problem that would work itself out in time, as Muslims did eventually learn what it means to be civilized Europeans.”
and…
“The truth is that pious Muslims *reject* civilized European values. They don’t want to become European–they want Europe to become Muslim.”
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Contradict much?
Rufolino says
Yes indeed. But is there any real point in stopping them now ? Because it is already too late for Europe (as we will see in 20 years time !)
Peggy says
I think we still have a fighting chance if we act now. I believe there are many savages there who don’t have legal right to live there and they can and should be kicked out.
Who cares if their countries don’t want them back. We don’t want them in our countries either and they still keep coming.
If their country refuses them entry then it’s on them not us. They have an obligation to their citizens and we don’t. They can drift forever as far as I am concerned.
If we put them on boats and cast them out to see who is going to retaliate against us if most of us are united in this? I really don’t think that Trump will punish us for doing this because he probably wants to do the same.
The ones who are born in the west but the parents aren’t can be sent back as a package. The converts are assured to stay where they are because they are native French, German etc but by the time we thin the herd there won’t be enough of them to cause major problems.
We’ll never get rid of all of them but we can get rid of enough so that we can manage them.
Peggy says
cast them out to see
——-Bummer, it should be sea.
Angemon says
“We”? Why are you trying to pass as European?
Peggy says
I’m not. I am talking about all of us from the west.
Europe is not the only continent to have Muslim problems.
Why do you have a compulsion to reply to all my posts? You only end up looking like a jackass in the end.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“I’m not.”
Yes, you are.
“I am talking about all of us from the west.”
“The West” is NOT a monolith. If you are NOT European – or American, or Canadian, or Australian, etc. – then you shouldn’t say “we should so such and such”, you should be saying “Europeans should do such and such”, “Americans should do such and such”, “Canadians should do such and such”, “Australians should do such and such”, etc. It’s simple logic, and trying to pass as a citizen of N different countries/continents only makes you look suspicious.
“Europe is not the only continent to have Muslim problems.”
No one said it was, Peggy. And different continents have different levels of the problem, as well as different rules and regulations – there’s no simple general rule that would work for ALL Western nations. You understand that, don’t you?
“Why do you have a compulsion to reply to all my posts?”
Why are you posting something that’s demonstrably false, Peggy? I do NOT reply to all of your posts. Why are you writing such a demonstrable *LIE*, Peggy? I mean, other than to ascribe me a mental illness?
“You only end up looking like a jackass in the end.”
Ah, so it was so you could play the crybully. So you could justify calling me a “jackass”. If you placed 1/100th of the effort you use to call me names and disparage me into making a cogent, reasoned point, things would go much smoother…
Please retract the falsehood you wrote and apologize. Not for my sake but for yours.
gravenimage says
Angemon, Peggy has said before that she is Australian. I have seen absolutely no reason to doubt her.
Falsafa says
Rufolino, Angemon, Peggy and all the other darling saviors of western civilization from the evil grip of the moslems and their “ideology”…do you realize how ridiculous you all sound? It really is quite amusing to read your posts on how we; the immigrants from “non western” muslim majority countries are “scheming” and “conspiring” for the “domination” of the societies we live in. Keep at it dear mad hatters!…it really is quite amusing to read your posts, you put a smile on my face!
Angemon says
Your mischaracterizations aside, you do need a good smile on your face, Alfalfa, seeing how you’re being cockblocked from entering the EU. Better start unpacking those bags, sunshine 🙂
gravenimage says
Te absurdly self-styled “Falsafa” wrote:
Rufolino, Angemon, Peggy and all the other darling saviors of western civilization from the evil grip of the moslems and their “ideology”…do you realize how ridiculous you all sound?
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Is “Falsafa” pretending that Islam is not different from the “filthy Infidels”? What would his pious coreligionists have to say about *that*?
More:
It really is quite amusing to read your posts on how we; the immigrants from “non western” muslim majority countries are “scheming” and “conspiring” for the “domination” of the societies we live in. Keep at it dear mad hatters!…it really is quite amusing to read your posts, you put a smile on my face!
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Muslims have said quite openly that they plan to impose brutal Shari’ah law in Dar-al-Harb–and they have done so, in fact, wherever they gain the upper hand.
Why would we want you barbarians lopping off limbs, beheading people, and stoning rape victims to death in our own civilized lands?
But, of course, “Falsafa” knows this quite well. He just hopes that if he can make such concerns appear ridiculous that his coreligionists will be able to make such inroads into our societies that by the time most Infidels wake up it will be too late. *Ugh*.
Crusades Were Right! says
I think we need another Crusade. This time, no stopping until we get to Mecca!
Peggy says
Ridiculous Angemon again:
” It’s simple logic, and trying to pass as a citizen of N different countries/continents only makes you look suspicious”.
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I only look suspicious to idiots. By now I think everyone on this site knows that am Australian and I have openly said that many times. If I was trying to pass as anything else I wouldn’t have said it openly.
Unlike you who won’t disclose which country is his. What do have to hide?
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“I only look suspicious to idiots. By now I think everyone on this site knows that am Australian and I have openly said that many times. If I was trying to pass as anything else I wouldn’t have said it openly.”
Tone and temper, lass. I *asked* you before what your nationality was and you refused to answer. In any case, what I said still stands: if you’re not America, Canadian, etc. you shouldn’t go around talking as if you were. There’s no reason to think everyone knows what your nationality is, especially when you keep changing it, by implication, like if you were changing your underwear.
“Unlike you who won’t disclose which country is his. What do have to hide?”
I told you before. Are you daft? Do you have a short memory? Or are you simply going on a childish and petty “NO U”?
Here’s what I told you:
Doesn’t matter to you, does it? And I’m not going to tell you because a) it adds nothing to the conversation, and b) I have both pro-Russia and muslim trolls taking pot shots at it, trying to insult me based on my nationality.
I *know* you saw and read because you replied to it. In any case, I’m not the one talking as if I’m Canadian here or American there, am I?
Peggy says
I have never kept my nationality a secret and have said it many time here so accusing me of changing what I am like changing underwear is ridiculous. I have always explained that when I say we, I am referring to us westerners. If you are too silly to grasp that then keep calling me a liar etc.
You are the one who refuses to say where you come from and then accuses me of trying to insult your country.
How I express myself is none of your business. I certainly won’t be taking any instruction from you on how to do that especially when nobody else on this site is confused and needs me to explain myself.
Do you think yourself to be the moderator of this site and constantly finds faults in what and how I say things?
You say that disclosing your nationality would add nothing to the conversation. Then why worry about my nationality? Facts don’t chance just because they are disclosed by someone of a certain nationality do they?
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“I have never kept my nationality a secret and have said it many time here so accusing me of changing what I am like changing underwear is ridiculous.”
Far from it. You’ve certainly never made it clear when I asked you about it. If you go “we should be doing such and such” when talking with someone who is clearly American, or Canadian, or British, etc., then you should expect to be asked about what your nationality is – because you’re talking like if you’re ALL of them.
“I have always explained that when I say we, I am referring to us westerners.”
No, you haven’t. And it’s an explanation that doesn’t make sense in context anyway.
“You are the one who refuses to say where you come from and then accuses me of trying to insult your country.”
For reasons I already explained. And yes, you did. Of course, you won’t link to where I pointed out how you insulted my country because you need to pretend you didn’t.
“How I express myself is none of your business.”
Lol! Funny to see *you* whining about it, seeing how you have tried to dictate how *i* should express myself.
“certainly won’t be taking any instruction from you on how to do that”
Too bad you won’t treat others the way you expect to be treated. Did I try to dictate how you are allowed to express yourself? No, that’s your shtick. I simply inquired you about your constant implied mutating nationality. That was all.
“especially when nobody else on this site is confused and needs me to explain myself.”
Appeal to numbers.logical fallacy, etc.
“Do you think yourself to be the moderator of this site and constantly finds faults in what and how I say things?”
No, the wannabe moderator is *your* shtick. Which of us emailed the site staff to try to get posts they didn’t like removed? Which of us publicly contacted a member of the site staff to get someone else to stop posting? You and you.
“You say that disclosing your nationality would add nothing to the conversation.”
And it wouldn’t.
“Then why worry about my nationality?”
I’m curious because you seem to talk as if you’re American, Canadian, Australian, etc.
“Facts don’t chance just because they are disclosed by someone of a certain nationality do they?”
If you’re Australian and when talking with an American why would you go “we should have a muslim vetting program” instead of “you should have a muslim vetting program”? What do you win by pretending you’re American?
Peggy says
gravenimage says
December 3, 2016 at 12:26 am
Angemon, Peggy has said before that she is Australian. I have seen absolutely no reason to doubt her.
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Thank you GI
I have been upfront about my nationality from the very beginning and never tried to deceive anyone.
As a matter of fact I have said it many times especially when there is a story about Australia.
I have also explained on more than one occasion that when I say we I mean all of us from the west and I say that because we have to be united as one.
I don’t think I could be any more clearer than that but it’s not me not being clear enough, It’s obvious now even to blind Freddy that Angemon is always on the lookout for anything I write he can twist.
I have stopped commenting on his posts precisely because I don’t want any contact from him. Some people just can’t take a hint or in this case a loud get lost.
It’s not about me portraying myself as a victim, it’s obvious that he does it because he either loathes me or he’s found someone he can take his frustration out.
He can’t seem to stop showing how much of a bully he really is.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Thank you GI
I have been upfront about my nationality from the very beginning and never tried to deceive anyone.”
No, you haven’t. That GI needed to come in and say it for you proves that you haven’t. And if you are so quick to lie about something so easily disprovable…
“I have also explained on more than one occasion that when I say we I mean all of us from the west and I say that because we have to be united as one.”
“United as one”? Bloody hell! You can’t stop lying, can you? Did you say, or not, that the EU should end and it should be each country for itself in Europe? Don’t lie and say you didn’t – I remember explaining you why that was a bad idea and that it should be the other way around – European nations should come together and help one another.
“I don’t think I could be any more clearer than that”
You could, I don’t know, say “No, I’m not American/Canadian/British, etc., I’m Australian” when I ask you about it, but I guess being honest is mutually exclusive with playing the victim…
“but it’s not me not being clear enough, It’s obvious now even to blind Freddy that Angemon is always on the lookout for anything I write he can twist.”
Ah, good old character assassination and victim playing – classic Peggy…
“It’s not about me portraying myself as a victim”
Yes, it is. That’s your shtick.
“it’s obvious that he does it because he either loathes me or he’s found someone he can take his frustration out.”
Again, attempted character assassination.
“He can’t seem to stop showing how much of a bully he really is.”
Says the crybully who badgered and publicly pressured site staff to try to silence me…
Peggy says
I have been upfront about my nationality from the very beginning and never tried to deceive anyone.”
No, you haven’t. That GI needed to come in and say it for you proves that you haven’t. And if you are so quick to lie about something so easily disprovable…
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So how do you think GI knows what nationality I am then?
You are a hateful little creature who just can’t stop bullying.
Angemon says
That’s odd, it seems the “reply” link from notification emails is not working properly. Anyway:
Peggy posted:
“So how do you think GI knows what nationality I am then?”
How GI came to know your alleged nationality is of no concern to me. I *asked* you about your nationality. That GI had to step in and speak for you shows that you have NOT been upfront about it.
“You are a hateful little creature who just can’t stop bullying.”
Says the crybully who spent the best part of several large posts insulting me…
Paul Clothier says
I think you’re going a bit off the point. Australia is having the same problems as Europe, therefore it surely is better that we reach a common consensus. It is only recently that Germans are beginning to reject the idea of mass Muslim immigration, and thankfully Sweden is starting to as well, therefore we get a united consensus. United we stand; divided, we will get our own countries’ leaders showing other countries on the moral high ground.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“So how do you think GI knows what nationality I am then?”
How GI came to know your alleged nationality is of no concern to me. I *asked* you about your nationality. That GI had to step in and speak for you shows that you have NOT been upfront about it.
“You are a hateful little creature who just can’t stop bullying.”
Says the crybully who spent the best part of several large posts insulting me…
Peggy says
You are really stupid. You say that GI had to step in and speak for me shows that I have not been upfront about it but somehow GI knew my nationality. Can’t you see how that doesn’t even make sense? The only way anyone here could know that is if they read my post disclosing it.
So when you bully and someone calls you out on it you call them a crybully. You deserve a severe comeback just for being obnoxious and a bully but yet most of my replies to you are not even insulting. I try to stay civil initially but you are just like a python, won’t let go..
Calling people names because they have a correct observation of a person or a situation is behaving just like the left who btw, are also bullies.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“You are really stupid.”
Tsk tsk – petty, angry insults are NOT a replacement for sound logic. But please, keep using them as such – it’ll make your victim playing all the more difficult.
“You say that GI had to step in and speak for me shows that I have not been upfront about it”
Which it *does*. I asked *you*. A third party had to step in and speak on your behalf. If you were as half as upfront as you are trying to pretend you are, you would have told me, directly, “I’m Australian” in any of the times I queried you on the subject. BTW, in the past you have chastised me for replying to posts that were meant for someone else. If you weren’t the disgusting little hypocrite you are, you’d tell GI the same you told me. But, of course, you’re only concerned with such matters when I’m the alleged transgressor.
“but somehow GI knew my nationality. Can’t you see how that doesn’t even make sense? The only way anyone here could know that is if they read my post disclosing it.”
Really? is that really the angle you’re trying to play? Boy, and you claim I’m stupid… Fine, let’s get your little tantrum over with. I do not know how GI came to learn about your alleged nationality. Maybe you walked up to GI and told her “I’m Australian”. Maybe GI inferred it because you replied to someone who identified as Australian something along the lines of “We need to do such and such”, like you did on several occasions to Americans, Canadians, etc. Like I said, it’s of no concern to me because you, when I asked you directly about your nationality, didn’t told me “I’m Australian”.
Got that? What GI knows about your alleged nationality, as well as how she came to learn it, is of no relevance to me. I asked you directly, you weren’t upfront. Got it?
“So when you bully and someone calls you out on it you call them a crybully.”
Says the person who opened her post with an insult and followed it with a logic so flawed a 5-year-old cold see through it…
“You deserve a severe comeback just for being obnoxious and a bully but yet most of my replies to you are not even insulting.”
Says the snake who started a reply with an insult… Yes, you’re a crybully, and you keep proving it at any chance you have, and even making up chances when simply saying nothing would suffice. And it shows here, when you try to justify your little crusade against me with imaginary transgressions. Just look at how you, somehow, after calling me “stupid”, still want to pretend to have the moral high-ground. “Well, most of the times I’m not insulting you”. Suicide bombers spend most of their lives NOT doing suicide bombing runs, and yet no one goes “sure, he may have blew himself up in a crow of women and children, but most of his life he didn’t do so, so he was aright by me”.
You can’t have your cake and eat it, Peggy. Fell free to insult me and vent your rage gland as you see fit – not that you’d stop if I told you to do so – but don’t try to pretend you have the moral high-ground. Because you don’t. You never had. And every time you try to pretend you do, you simply sunk even deeper.
“I try to stay civil initially”
No, you didn’t.
“but you are just like a python, won’t let go..”
And there it is, the blaming on the victim, like common thugs usually do.
“Calling people names because they have a correct observation of a person or a situation is behaving just like the left who btw, are also bullies.”
Says the person who called me stupid because I made a correct observation – whatever GI knows about your alleged nationality, and how she learned of it, are of no relevance to me. I asked you about your nationality directly, and you didn’t told me you were Australian. So no, you were not upfront.
P.S.: the bully left calls names, plays the victim and justifies their name-calling on the actions of their victims. “If they hadn’t voted Trump we wouldn’t have to beat and insult them, so it’s their fault, really”. Does that MO sounds familiar? I’ll help: “You deserve a severe comeback just for being obnoxious and a bully but yet most of my replies to you are not even insulting. I try to stay civil initially but you are just like a python, won’t let go.“
Peggy says
WOW, you really are sick and that’s all I’m going to say. You’re all over the place like dog’s dinner.
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“WOW, you really are sick and that’s all I’m going to say.”
Because you need to get an insult in.
“You’re all over the place like dog’s dinner.”
I answered your queries and rebutted your nonsensical lack of logic. Your comeback is to insult me. Why am I sick? Because you say so, that’s why! Yeah, I think we’re done here – you should have stopped when you could reasonably pretend to have a point other than gratuitously insult me…