Turkey also recently launched a website to report “Islamophobia” in games. The country’s Youth and Sports Minister, Akif Çağatay Kılıç, told Anadolu Agency:
Digital games are now being used by the West as a means to spread Islamophobia…. We have determined that the holy book [Quran] and relevant places were purposefully placed in these games to provoke fear. Violence, terrorism and Islamophobia is being imposed on youngsters through digital gaming and an ugly impression of our holy religion is being woven into our children’s subconscious.”
Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan said years ago that “Islamophobia” should be recognized as a crime against humanity, while he remains hostile toward Christianity and even shows virulent anger toward any mention of the Armenian Genocide. Politicians in Germany received death threats after voting to recognise the Armenian genocide. Turkey has recalled its envoy to the Vatican after Pope Francis described the mass killing of Armenians under Ottoman rule in WW1 as “genocide.”
Meanwhile, Turkey’s government stepped up its war on Christianity in the spring and seized all the churches in the southeastern city of Diyarbakir, declaring them state property; and churches in Turkey are also said to be becoming extinct. The article below rightly says:
So instead of spreading misinformation about Islam and attempting to stifle free speech under the guise of the so- called “threat of Islamophobia”, why do these Turkish and other Muslim community leaders not struggle against the widespread and systematic intolerance and aggression against non-Muslims all across the Muslim world?
“Turks Hold ‘Anti-Islamophobia’ Events in U.S. While Detaining U.S. Pastor in Turkey”, by Robert Jones, PJ Media, November 9, 2016:
Turkey’s Dogan Holding held two international events on October 20 in Washington, D.C., reported the Dogan News Agency (DHA), “in a bid to globally fight against the fallacies and prejudices directed toward Islam.”
A panel titled “Islamophobia: Overcoming Myths and Engaging in a Better Conversation” was organized in cooperation with the U.S.-based Atlantic Council think tank and the Smithsonian Institution.
Also, the opening gala of the exhibition — titled “The Art of the Qur’an: Treasures from the Museum of Turkish and Islamic Arts” — was held on October 19 at the Sackler Gallery of the Smithsonian.
Marking a first in the U.S., centuries-old Qur’ans taken from the Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum in Istanbul are being shown at the exhibition, which is being sponsored by the Turkish Culture and Tourism Ministry, Koc Holding, Dogan Group, and Turkish Airlines. The exhibition will be open through February 20, 2017.
While the Turkish government and Turkish organizations are striving so hard to “fight against Islamophobia,” religious minorities and even non-observant Muslims in Turkey are continually exposed to discrimination, physical violence, as well as unlawful detentions and deportations.
The latest Christian victims are Rev. Andrew Brunson and his wife Norine. The pastor of the Resurrection Church in the city of Izmir, and his wife were detained on October 7.
Norine was released on October 20. She is allowed to stay in Turkey only until November 12, when her residence permit will expire. However, Turkish authorities are still holding her husband in isolation in an Izmir detention facility on the grounds that he is “a national security threat to Turkey.” The couple has resided in Turkey for the past 20 years.
Rev. Brunson has been refused contact with lawyers since he was detained.
Officials from the U.S. Embassy in Ankara went to Izmir to see Brunson, but they were prevented by Turkish authorities from contacting the pastor.
“The authorities forced Pastor Andrew to sign a document that says that he does not want to see U.S. officials from the U.S. Embassy in Turkey, but he refused to do so,” said a pastor from Izmir. “Only his wife has been allowed to see the pastor after her release so far and she saw him twice.
“When he was first detained,” added the pastor, “we asked the police officials not to put him in the same cell with Islamic State suspects. He was then put in the removal center for foreigners in Izmir. And the center is like a half-prison.”
The pastor added that a Turkish MP was informed by authorities, off the record, that “they have a scheme of a terror organization, in which Brunson is also involved.”
“After his lawyers objected to his detention,” added the pastor, “they were also told by the local migration management officials that the pastor is accused of ‘being a member of a terror organization.’”
Seyfi Genc, the Turkish journalist who first reported the detention of the couple, said that he is very concerned about the recent developments in the country.
“American-hatred and Jew-hatred are intensely promoted in Turkey,” said Genc. “Pro-government TV channels are filled with debate programs in which analysts repeat every day that behind everything bad is America. This paves the way for the targeting of Christian citizens. Christians are terrorized because they are labeled by both the government and the media as the ‘secret agents’ of the United States, Britain or Israel.”
Genc added that these developments have escalated following the July 15 coup attempt.
“All other pastors who have recently been deported are also U.S. citizens. It seems that the deportation of American pastors from Turkey is retaliation by the Turkish government for the U.S. government not extraditing Fethullah Gulen,” whom the Turkish government accuses of being behind the abortive coup.
“I know this is so illogical, but Turkey can even see its own Christian citizens as hostages,” said Genc. “Turkey demands other countries give their Muslim citizens new rights but Turkey itself does not give its own Christian citizens their legal rights.”
Genc, who works for the Turkish Christian news channel SAT-7 TURK, which covers Christian-related news, added that it is difficult to cover stories about Christians in Turkey “as pastors often avoid making statements about rights violations. They think that their comments could be interpreted as ‘political.’”
There are only about 10,000 Protestant Christians in Turkey.
But, they have been exposed to discrimination and persecution for a long time, reported the Gatestone Institute. Protestants in Turkey are not recognized as an official religious community and are subjected to hate crimes, and physical and verbal assaults.
Not only Protestant Christians, but all non-Muslims in Turkey are continually under the threat of physical violence. Insulting and verbally attacking or unlawfully detaining or deporting them also seems perfectly fine.
So instead of spreading misinformation about Islam and attempting to stifle free speech under the guise of the so- called “threat of Islamophobia”, why do these Turkish and other Muslim community leaders not struggle against the widespread and systematic intolerance and aggression against non-Muslims all across the Muslim world?
These Turkish leaders, or businesspeople, go to the U.S. and try to paint a “perfect picture” of Islam when the majority-Muslim countries are guilty of the worst cases of discrimination against and persecution of non-Muslims or secular Muslims….

Michael Laudahn says
Let’s hope this whole nonsense will finally come to an end starting jan ’17…
Lucretius says
Yes, a Trump-Putin alliance against the Turks could do a lot of good. The Great Powers humbled the Ottomans into extending rights to their religious minorities. Let’s Make The Turks Humble Again (TM).
Christianblood says
(..Turks hold “anti-Islamophobia” events in US while persecuting Christians..)
The genocidal islamic Turks who are allied with the US and the West in Nato and all other muslims in the West see and know full well that the postmodernist and moral relativist Western societies and Western governments hate, despises and denigrates Christianity and Christians but have some very deep respect for islam and muslim jihadists worldwide and because of this they are totally emboldened and highly encouraged to persecute and murder Christians not only in the islamic world but in the Western world and yet hold “islamophobia” conferences in the West. They know they will get huge funding, support and backing from Western governments and Western societies including the Pope and other so-called “churches” and “human rights groups” in the West in holding those “islamophobia” conferences in the West. What is going on the Western world is totally incredible! Western world loves, supports, funds and backs the perpetrators of the global islamic jihad while they despise and denigrate the victims of the global islamic jihad such as the Christians and other religious minorities. Shame on the West! They are total DISHONOR to Christ!
gravenimage says
…know full well that the postmodernist and moral relativist Western societies and Western governments hate, despises and denigrates Christianity and Christians but have some very deep respect for islam and muslim jihadists worldwide…
Shame on the West! They are total DISHONOR to Christ!
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Yes, we all know that “Christianblood” has said that the West deserves to fall to Muslim conquest, but that Russia allowing the imposition of Shari’ah law in Chechnya and enabling a nuclear Iran are all–somehow–perfectly Christian.
If one didn’t know any better, one might suppose that “Christianblood” tailors his moral stance to whether or not something is being done by Russia, or by the West, and not by the thing itself…
Christianblood says
gravenimage
With all due respect, Graven please stop laying about this. You have to understand that the Russian Federation have indigenous islamic ethnic groups in its North Caucasus territories and the native muslims in those regions have the full constitutional rights to practice their religion but there is NO sharee’a practices in the form of public beheading, stoning, amputations, flogging or throwing homosexuals from high buildings etc as practiced by the American-allied Saudis or other jihadist groups that are allied with the West.
Please stop talking about what you don’t really know or understand.
Russian federation went to war and protected Chechnya from US-backed ISIS-like jihadists who wanted to implement Saudi-like Sharee’a rules there. Do you even now that US and Saudi Arabia were backing the ISIS-like jihadists that were fighting in Chechnya??? Read more on the link below:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/u-s-support-chechen-terrorists-fighting-russia-just-like-we-supported-al-qaeda-to-fight-russia.html
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“With all due respect, Graven please stop laying about this.”
GI is not “laying”.
“You have to understand that the Russian Federation have indigenous islamic ethnic groups in its North Caucasus territories and the native muslims in those regions have the full constitutional rights to practice their religion but there is NO sharee’a practices in the form of public beheading, stoning, amputations, flogging or throwing homosexuals from high buildings etc”
Gays are not tossed from tall buildings in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Going by your “logic”, that means there’s no sharia in those places.
BTW, the flow of information from Chechnia is very restricted. In such conditions, the absence of proof is not proof of absence.
“Please stop talking about what you don’t really know or understand.
Russian federation went to war and protected Chechnya from US-backed ISIS-like jihadists who wanted to implement Saudi-like Sharee’a rules there. ”
Huh, what? Russia went to war against Chechens. You know, the native ethnic groups. Claiming that they were “US-backed” is blatantly false. BTW, how are “Saudi-like sharia rules” different from Iran-like sharia rules regarding, for example, the treatment of gays, women, religious minorities or apostates?
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
With all due respect, Graven please stop laying (sic) about this.
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What have I ever said that is a “lay” here?
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You have to understand that the Russian Federation have indigenous islamic ethnic groups in its North Caucasus territories and the native muslims in those regions have the full constitutional rights to practice their religion but there is NO sharee’a practices in the form of public beheading, stoning, amputations, flogging or throwing homosexuals from high buildings etc as practiced by the American-allied Saudis or other jihadist groups that are allied with the West.
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There is enforced Hijab and the allowing of “Honor Killings”, and things there are getting steadily worse there. Kadyrov is not going to stop–why should he? He has been able to steadily increase Shari’ah law in Chechnya:
“Chechnya’s Muslim president misunderstands Islam, endorses honor killing”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/chechnyas-muslim-president-misunderstands-islam-endorses-honor-killing
It is not as though any degree of Shari’ah was allowed there in the past under Russia–this has all been under Putin’s aegis.
Despite what you appear to believe, Saudi Arabia is *not* in the West, and their hideous Shari’ah laws much precede the rise of the West.
More to the point, every Anti-Jihadist here *condemns* Shari’ah in Saudi Arabia and every other Islamic hell hole–we do not condone or whitewash it.
More:
Please stop talking about what you don’t really know or understand.
Russian federation went to war and protected Chechnya from US-backed ISIS-like jihadists who wanted to implement Saudi-like Sharee’a rules there. Do you even now that US and Saudi Arabia were backing the ISIS-like jihadists that were fighting in Chechnya???
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What claptrap. While there were–as always with Jihad–some foreign Jihadis running off to “kill and be killed” there, most of the Jihadists were homegrown Chechnyans. And why not? This is mainstream Islam.
Jihadists have been waging violent Jihad in Russia for a long time now–the horror of Beslan, of the attacks in Moscow at the theater, at the Metro, at the airport, and the beheading of the little girl by a Muslimah.
But you are always ready to minimize this savagery, because you do not want to acknowledge that Russia has a problem with Jihad.
This is just so bizarre–I condemn Jihad in the West, in Russia, wherever it is found–I do not know why you do not do the same–except that opposing Jihad is not really your priority.
Christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..There is enforced Hijab and the allowing of “Honor Killings”…
Kadyrov is not going to stop–why should he? He has been able to steadily increase Shari’ah law in Chechnya..)
Graven, enforced hijabs and honor-killings take place wherever there is islamic community anywhere in the world. There are many honor-killing cases and huge amount of islamic enforced hijabs taking place in the West every year. Kadyrov is a muslim but he hates and despises ISIS and other islamic jihadists that the West backs and trains. He actually suggested to Putin a few months back that he is willing to send Chechnyan fighters to Syria so that they fight ISIS and other Western jihadists there but Putin refused.
Now, let me ask you a question, as the video clip below proves, many Western countries are banning Christianity from public squares while mosqueing public schools for muslim students and paying hijabs for muslim girls. Why are the Western people not outraged by this enforcing of sharee’a in their societies while banning and ridiculing Christianity? Watch please:
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Graven, enforced hijabs and honor-killings take place wherever there is islamic community anywhere in the world.”
Didn’t you say that there were no such things in Chechnia?
“Kadyrov is a muslim but he hates and despises ISIS and other islamic jihadists that the West backs and trains.”
Many ISIS commanders and combatants are Chechens. Kadyrov’s father called on his followers to kill as many Russians as possible. He turned coat when he was propositioned to play ball with Moscow and have Chechnia as his own fiefdom, and killed by his former comrades-in-arms. He was declared a “hero of Russia”. His son, the current ruler of Chechnia, publicly stated that Chechnian law enforcement could shoot to kill, for example, Muscovite law enforcement in Chechnia. This happened after Russian law enforcement tracked down a federal wanted Chechnen and killed him while he was hiding in Chechnia.
Many islamic jihadi groups hate ISIS – they consider them as rivals in the run for the title of caliphate. Saying that Kadyrov hates ISIS tells us nothing about where his allegiances lie,e specially when he publicly confronts official Moscow policies.
“He actually suggested to Putin a few months back that he is willing to send Chechnyan fighters to Syria so that they fight ISIS and other Western jihadists there but Putin refused. ”
Like I said, there are plenty of Chechens in the ranks of ISIS. And Russia is the 3rd or 4th largest supplier of foreign combatants to ISIS.
“ as the video clip below proves, many Western countries are banning Christianity from public squares while mosqueing public schools for muslim students and paying hijabs for muslim girls.”
Nope. That video proves something happened in a school in Canada. That’s it. If there’s a place banning Christianity is Russia, where preaching the Gospel outside a church can land you in jail:
christianpost.com/news/christians-russia-refuse-stop-sharing-the-gospel-despite-putins-ban-evangelism-167442/
christianpost.com/news/christian-leaders-arrested-russia-law-banning-evangelism-outside-churches-goes-into-effect-168852/
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“The genocidal islamic Turks who are allied with the US and the West in Nato”
Not for long – Erdogan and Putin seem to be getting along fine. I mean, what’s a destroyed airplane or two among friends, right?
“and all other muslims in the West see and know full well that the postmodernist and moral relativist Western societies and Western governments hate, despises and denigrates Christianity and Christians but have some very deep respect for islam and muslim jihadists worldwide”
Nonsense. You want to see a society that hates Christians? Look to Russia, who passed a law making preaching the Gospel outside a church an offence, and people have been arrested for it.
“and because of this they are totally emboldened and highly encouraged to persecute and murder Christians not only in the islamic world but in the Western world and yet hold “islamophobia” conferences in the West.”
I’m pretty sure that muslims were killing Christians long before the West existed, and I’m pretty cure that they were doing so back then for the same reasons they are doing it today.
“What is going on the Western world is totally incredible! Western world loves, supports, funds and backs the perpetrators of the global islamic jihad while they despise and denigrate the victims of the global islamic jihad such as the Christians and other religious minorities. ”
Again, nonsense. You can preach the Gospel outside a church in the West – it’s Russia where doing so can land you in jail. It’s Russia that allows a jihadi to act as the ruler of one of its republics, a jihadi whose father exhorted his followers to kill as many Russians as possible and ended up being lauded as a “hero of Russia”, and you try to claim that the West “hates Christians and loves jihadis”? Shame on *YOU*, and shame on your Christian-hating nation.
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
gravenimage posted
Graven, enforced hijabs and honor-killings take place wherever there is islamic community anywhere in the world. There are many honor-killing cases and huge amount of islamic enforced hijabs taking place in the West every year.
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Christianblood, I’m afraid you are missing the point. In the West, it is not *the state* enforcing Hijab and condoning “Honor Killings”–these things are *illegal* in the West. They are also prosecuted here.
But now, due to Putin giving Kadyrov such a long leash, they are *officially backed* in a part of Russia. I still don’t grasp why this would not concern you.
More:
Kadyrov is a muslim but he hates and despises ISIS and other islamic jihadists that the West backs and trains.
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Like so many Muslims, he sees ISIS as a rival–I have not seen that he has any actual ideological differences with them.
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He actually suggested to Putin a few months back that he is willing to send Chechnyan fighters to Syria so that they fight ISIS and other Western jihadists there but Putin refused.
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I am sure that Putin–quite wisely–decided that he did not want any more formally trained Jihadists on his doorstep, even if they were (temporarily) willing to fight on Russia’s side.
This is one matter where I am quite willing to unreservedly praise Putin’s judgement.
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Now, let me ask you a question, as the video clip below proves, many Western countries are banning Christianity from public squares while mosqueing public schools for muslim students and paying hijabs for muslim girls. Why are the Western people not outraged by this enforcing of sharee’a in their societies while banning and ridiculing Christianity? Watch please:
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Well, many of us *are* outraged by this sort of thing–have you not been reading Jihad Watch? Ezra Levant and Robert Spencer have, in fact, often appeared together.
We are troubled by such things as public money used to buy Hijabs–This is the only instance I have ever heard of such a thing, incidentally–while you are *not* troubled by public monies being used to *violently enforce Hijab*, which is actually many times worse.
“Russia: Chechnya Enforcing Islamic Dress Code
Women Attacked, Intimidated as Moscow Officials Look the Other Way”
https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/03/10/russia-chechnya-enforcing-islamic-dress-code
We decry and fight against creeping Shari’ah wherever we find it; you do not, so long as it is winked at by Russia.
Christianblood says
Lucretius posted
(..Yes, a Trump-Putin alliance against the Turks could do a lot of good..)
That would be great but it is not going to happen any time soon! US and the West are in alliance with the genocidal muslim Turks under Nato.
and US keeps its nukes in the lands of their islamic Turkish allies and those nukes are there to target Christian Russia one day! US and the West hate Russia deeply and want to destroy it as they have tried to do several times in the past two centuries but they will not succeed. They hate Russia because Russia is different and have its own culture and worldview and it will never, ever be like the West. Never!
Demsci says
No, US and the West have no interest in poor, chaotic Russia whatsoever. Russia is lucky to have neighbors like the EU. Who are democratic and must get a majority in parliament for going to war for conquest. A majority they will never get. Napoleon and Hitler were dictators.
For all your insisting that Russians are different, it is the totalitarian, propagandistic, censoring, oppressive Russian leadership that is afraid that it’s own population, just like Ukraine’s population, might want the same as what the citizens in the West have.
And why don’t the Russians try our democratic system??? The Russian Federation, with all it’s space, resources, could become as prosperous and attractive as USA and Canada!
And by the way; why don’t the Russians ditch the whole caucasus, to independence. Look at the map; the caucasus is like an unnecessary appendix. Of very little value while making the Muslim component in this Christian Federation annoyingly high!
I think the Soviet Union was a genuine threat to Western Europe but the Russian Federation is more like Czarist Russia and it poses no real threat to the West. And as long as the Russian Federation does not pose a threat to the West, while the West doesn’t care one bit to own Russia, why can’t the presidents Trump and Putin divide territory and influence and cooperate. This way Trump can let Putin destroy ISIS and save America the money.
The Turks are much more of an ideological enemy of the West than Russia is.
gravenimage says
Did “Christianblood” miss the part where we actually allied with the Soviet Union against the Nazis? Instead, he appears to believe that we were the ones who surrendered at Stalingrad.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“Did “Christianblood” miss the part where we actually allied with the Soviet Union against the Nazis?”
The same Soviet Union who made a pact with Nazi Germany to share Eastern Europe among them. And it took the Germans attacking them for them to realize that the Nazis were not someone you’d want to be allies with.
gravenimage says
And the fact is that Westerners–especially Americans–spend fairly little time thinking about Russia at all. But Russians appear to be obsessed with the free West, and not in a good way…
Michael Laudahn says
You were right gravenimage, christianblood is a taiga troll, serving his taiga tarzan.
And Russia, despite of all it’s continued chest-thumping, is not so great after all. And how could it be, after centuries of often self-inflicted isolation at the arse of Europe, but aparently feeling so great in this position that way simply can’t imagine anything else (of course, a lack of fantasy might also be to blame).
Just see their driving style (YT: ‘russian driving’ – very much like the turks: ‘mobese’); see their rail-gauge attitude (as a rule of thumb, they and their CIS dependencies have a slightly broader gauge than their standard-gauge neighbours; instead of reaching a reasonable compromise like spliting their network into a domestic one with their gauge and an international one with standard gauge (to allow interoperability), they won’t ‘move an inch’ – except try to extend their incompatile gauge into new territories.
Finally, with regard to their military capabilities, it isn’t much more than brute force – wich isn’t little, of course. Look up (Wehrmacht general) Gotthard Heinrici and his feats against the russians, then you will see what I mean. Unfortunately, he became another victim of Hitler’s meddling so couldn’t act permanently to his full capacities – nto to save Hitler, but Germany and keep the russian retards away.
Christianblood says
Demsci posted
(..And why don’t the Russians try our democratic system??? ..)
Russia knows where Western style “liberal democracy” will lead to Russian society it adopts it and that is: political-correctness, moral and cultural relativism, destructive immoral sexual revolutions, destruction of Christianity and Christian moral principals, emboldening of islamic jihadists and islamic supremacist ideologies, effemination and emasculation of societies, extreme materialism, hedonism and godlessness, destruction of the family unit and family values, destruction of common sense, dissemination of drugs, hopelessness, decadence and extreme moral corruption of the future generations and much more. Russia knows that is exactly where the fanatically atheistic secular cult known as Western liberal democracy leads to and I will NEVER adopt that evil cult of death!
Angemon says
Funny how much of what you say, CB, is happening in Russia – and without any of the benefits of a free democracy.
Christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..But Russians appear to be obsessed with the free West, and not in a good way..)
Graven, Russians don’t give it a dime for the so-called “free west” and its godless, materialistic, pro-islamic ideologies! Russians just want to be safe in their country and keep their own culture, faith and way of life. Russians don’t want to see another destructive Western invasion and war of aggression that will come from the West. Remember, Russia was invaded by marauding Western aggressor armies over a period of approximately 300 years, Those destructive, marauding Western armies invaded Russia on five occasions through Russian’s western borders. In 1605, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth invaded; in 1708, Sweden invaded; in 1812, France invaded; in 1918, Imperial Germany invaded; and in 1941, Nazi Germany invaded. And now, once again, Western aggressors who hate Russia are gathering their armies on the Russia’s Western borders to invade and destroy Russia. I know, all Americans and almost all of the people in the West don’t even know this fact but for Russia this is a question of national survival. Please read Dr. Marcus’s piece on this on the link below:
http://theduran.com/action-reaction-russia-responding-growing-threats-west-says-dr-marcus-papadopoulos/
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Graven, Russians don’t give it a dime for the so-called “free west” and its godless, materialistic, pro-islamic ideologies!”
Nope. You’re obsessed with us.
“Russians just want to be safe in their country and keep their own culture, faith and way of life.”
No one is forcing them to do anything.
“Russians don’t want to see another destructive Western invasion and war of aggression that will come from the West.”
“Another”? When exactly did “the West” attacked Russia? Remember how you guys invaded Eastern Europe countries? How you guys planned to divide Eastern Europe with the Nazis? And you have the gall to try to accuse “the West” of “wars of aggression”? Pathetic.
“Remember, Russia was invaded by marauding Western aggressor armies over a period of approximately 300 years”
Citation needed.
“ Those destructive, marauding Western armies invaded Russia on five occasions through Russian’s western borders.”
Name them.
“In 1605, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth invaded;”
That’s odd – I could swear that Poland and Lithuania are part of the Eastern Europe you routinely exalt and cheer for. So, what was the background for this alleged invasion? Because I could very well say that in the 1940’s Russia invaded Germany and that was a war of aggression from Russia. Context, please. Oh, and didn’t Russia had control over Poland and Lithuania much more recently than that?
“in 1708, Sweden invaded;”
Sweden is not “the West”. Anyway, what was the background for this alleged invasion? Because I could very well say that in the 1940’s Russia invaded Germany and that was a war of aggression from Russia. Context, please.
“in 1812, France invaded;”
France is not “the West”. Am I really supposed tt believe that the Russians are cowering in fear form Spain or Malta because they were invaded by the French in 1812? Gimme a break!
“in 1918, Imperial Germany invaded;”
Germany is not “the West”.
“and in 1941, Nazi Germany invaded.”
The same Nazi Germany you had a pact to divide Eastern Europe with? Oh, the rascals! Wait, you called Poland and Lithuania “the West”, so you’re effectively complaining that Germany invaded Russia after you agreed to divide up the West amongst the two of you.
“And now, once again, Western aggressors who hate Russia are gathering their armies on the Russia’s Western borders to invade and destroy Russia.”
Or so you say.
“I know, all Americans and almost all of the people in the West don’t even know this fact but for Russia this is a question of national survival.”
Oh, is that so? In that case, how about you get your troops out of Crimea and focus on defending your borders instead?
Christianblood says
Michael Laudahn
Please understand Russia is not competing with anyone. Russia does not call herself an “exceptional nation” as some other arrogant Western nations do. Russia simply wants to protect itself from another war of aggression which always comes from its Western borders. And this time, if the postmodernist, pro-jihadist and anti-Christ Western fools attack Russia again, they better understand that war will not fought in Russian soil anymore.
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Please understand Russia is not competing with anyone. Russia does not call herself an “exceptional nation” as some other arrogant Western nations do. ”
This coming from the guy who often and repeatedly claims how wonderful and superior to the West Russia his for allegedly being Christian (even though preaching the Gospel outside a church can land you in jail) and having its traditions and culture… You’re right though – Russia isn’t competing with anyone because Putin’s policies have trashed Russia’s economy. And the sanctions imposed after the invasion of Crimea didn’t help.
“Russia simply wants to protect itself from another war of aggression which always comes from its Western borders.”
Or so you claim – that, however, does not explain the “war of aggression” you started with Ukraine.
“And this time, if the postmodernist, pro-jihadist and anti-Christ Western fools attack Russia again, they better understand that war will not fought in Russian soil anymore.”
So let’s see if I can follow your “logic”: Russia just wants to defend itself, so it Russia is attacked the war will be fought elsewhere. Is that it?
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“That would be great but it is not going to happen any time soon! US and the West are in alliance with the genocidal muslim Turks under Nato.”
You seem to leave out that Putin and Erdgan are acting like they’re the best of buddies now, after Turkey shot down a Russian airplane.
“and US keeps its nukes in the lands of their islamic Turkish allies and those nukes are there to target Christian Russia one day!”
Ah, so you’re privy to the intentions of US and Nato. How did you get to that privileged position?
“US and the West hate Russia deeply”
Citation needed.
“and want to destroy it”
Citation needed.
“as they have tried to do several times in the past two centuries”
When? When did that happen?
“but they will not succeed. They hate Russia because Russia is different and have its own culture and worldview and it will never, ever be like the West. Never!”
I certainly hope so. I love a free society. In Russia, Trump would never have won an election, he’d have met a violent and untimely death, as have others who stood up to Putin.
BTW, if the West is so bad and hates Russia so much, why do Putin and his cronies like it so much? Why do they spend their fortunes, stolen from the Russian people, in London, or the south of France?
gravenimage says
Michael, Russia *is* doing some things right when it comes to opposing Jihad–the problem is that it is *at least* as inconsistent as the West, and possibly more so.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid the idea that Russia would never embrace democracy because it is “godless” is a bit absurd, given that they embraced the brutal atheism of Communism for over seventy years. That is, indeed, almost certainly why so few Russians are Christian today.
There is no suppression of Christianity in the West as there was for years under Communism in the Soviet Union–whatever you would like us to believe.
And the Soviet Union held all of Eastern Europe in chains for almost *fifty years*–the idea that Russia has never had eyes on her neighbors is just ridiculous. Many of us here are old enough to remember this as contemporary events, not just history. And even today, Russia is enraged is any former Iron Curtain countries decide to strengthen ties with the free West.
Mazo says
Trump’s military advisor Flynn is pro-Erdoğan and supports deepening ties with Turkey. Flynn is connected with Russia.
http ://thehill. com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021-our-ally-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support
http ://dailycaller. com/2016/11/11/trumps-top-military-adviser-is-lobbying-for-obscure-company-with-ties-to-turkish-government/
gravenimage says
In other words, “Surrender Infidels”.
Notice that Mazo has not a word of criticism for Turkey persecuting Christians. But then, why would he? What could b e more Islamic?
Mazo says
Trump praised Erdoğan’s crushing of the coup attempt and said he is willing to work with him in the future.
https ://www.rt. com/usa/352464-trump-erdogan-turkey-nato/
http ://www.heraldsun. com. au/news/breaking-news/trump-praises-erdogan-for-coup-crackdown/news-story/52a1786d7b1a69a108a3f9a082351c4e
https ://www.washingtonpost. com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/21/donald-trump-says-u-s-shouldnt-criticize-turkeys-erdogan-over-post-coup-purge/
http ://www.dailywire. com/news/7700/trump-credits-islamist-turkish-president-erdogan-joshua-yasmeh
Erdoğan believes Obama and Clinton were involved in a conspiracy with Gülen against him.
Mark Swan says
Here today gone tomorrow, America is the most exceptional Country that has, does
or will ever exist. Right or wrong we gave it our all to help the world, jealousy,
envy and ingratitude is very wrong.
gravenimage says
Most of the West praised Erdogan’s staying in power, simply because we are not generally fans of toppling “elected” leaders.
Reading this as an endorsement of Erdogan’s re-Islamization of Turkey is just absurd.
Mazo says
Trump only respects strongmen and authoritarians who smash their opposition and impose their agenda. Erdoğan has done both of those things.
https ://filthy. media/donald-trump-playboy-interview
I was very unimpressed. Their system is a disaster. What you will see there soon is a revolution; The signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That’s my problem with Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Trump only respects strongmen and authoritarians who smash their opposition and impose their agenda.”
Then he’s a prime candidate to be best buddies with your coreligionists – you should be rejoicing. Oh, wait, you’re just here to be contrarian and spread division – Trump supports Erdogan. Hillary is supported by “anti-islam” writters. Blah, blah, blah – keep yapping, little puppy, your candidate *lost*. Go back to f***ing goats, or eat puppies, or whatever it is your ilk does when you’re enraged, which is your perpetual state.
gravenimage says
That Mazo–who has not had a word of criticism for the worst Islamic strong man, including the Islamic State’s al Baghdadi–is characterizing Donald Trump as an authoritarian is grimly laughable.
Mazo says
Dog meat isn’t Halal, but its okay to eat for white Europeans.
http ://www.dailymail. co. uk/news/article-2255684/Farmers-Switzerland-routinely-EATING-cats-dogs-meals.html
http ://www.newsweek. com/not-just-christmas-swiss-urged-stop-eating-cats-and-dogs-287378
http ://www.thelocal. ch/20160212/swiss-restaurant-serving-cat-food-sparks-outrage
Angemon says
So you admit you are a muslim. Good.
BTW, are Koreans, Vietnamese, Chinese and Africans white Europeans? I mean, that’s what you’re implying, so yo0u might as well go out and say it.
Angemon says
“Dog meat isn’t Halal”
I also mentioned goat-f***ing. Which apparently is.
Mazo says
No, its only allowed for white Europeans.
http ://www.thedailybeast. com/articles/2014/10/14/denmark-s-bestiality-problem-it-s-legal.html
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“No, its only allowed for white Europeans.”
Then you better warn your coreligionists:
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/video-muslims-caught-in-the-act-of-bestiality/
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Pornography
gravenimage says
Now Mazo is just desperately off-topic ranting–he is even less coherent than usual.
Greyhound Fancier says
Isn’t it amazing how a tiny minority – Christians in Turkey – can be such a danger? I’d be surprised if the danger from the Christians is physical danger to Turks, in all probability the danger is that Turks might be enticed to change their belief system. That is dangerous to the Mohammedan (from family and society).
Typical of tyrants, the Turks always have to designate a foreign devil to prop up their government.
Christianblood says
Greyhound Fancier
The genocidal Turks will very soon start another religious genocide against the tiny Christian minority in Turkey and this time they will probably also get the blessings of the anti-Christ West whom they are allied with in Nato.
Remember, a hundred years ago, British and American navies were anchored off shore from the Greek- Armenian city of Smyrna while Turks were slaughtering the entire Christian populations there and were burning the city down. The Turks could have EASILY been stopped cold by just a token of western intervention but they intentionally decided to ignore the genocide and millions of Christians were murdered in under two years!
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/armenian.migrants.in.turkey.fear.tense.political.climate/84657.htm
gravenimage says
The only Christians who survived the destruction of Smyrna were saved by the British and American and other Western ships. It was an American aid worker who organized most of the rescues.
Certainly, the West should have reacted more quickly–but “Christianblood” does not acknowledge their acting at all. This should not surprise.
“The American who saved 250,000 from death during the Armenian genocide”
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-04-24/american-who-saved-250000-death-during-armenian-genocide
Christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..The only Christians who survived the destruction of Smyrna were saved by the British and American and other Western ships. It was an American aid worker who organized most of the rescues..)
Graven, please stop it, for God’s sake! You are dishonoring the thousands of martyred Christians by the genocidal Turkish muslims in that city by your statement! British and Americans only saved their few citizens living in Smyrna at the start of the genocide there. They actually turned back boats of fleeing Christians to the burning Smyrna where they were then massacred by the genocidal Turks! Read more on the link below: http://www.aina.org/ata/20160728191049.htm
Mark Swan says
Where were the Russian Ships to help the Christians, and where were all the other
countries Ships, both Christian, Muslim and what ever—not there?
And How could any number of ships, that were there, carry all that were in that Country
wanting to leave.
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“You are dishonoring the thousands of martyred Christians by the genocidal Turkish muslims in that city by your statement!”
No, CB, that is your monopoly alone. It is *you* who dishonour the victims when you try to shame their saviours and use their deaths as a tool to bludgeon Westerners with. I’ve told you this many times – you are a soulless ghoul with no respect whatsoever for human life or dignity. I hope you receive a fat paycheck for the propaganda you routinely spew – I would hate if you have sold your soul for a fistful of chump change. Well, not really – I hope you sold your dignity for nothing, and I hope you get what is coming to you, because you certainly deserve it.
gravenimage says
The idea that the brave Asa Kent Jennings and the ships he convinced to transport Christian refugees out of Smyrna only helped Americans or other Westerners is quite false–there were an estimated 250,000 saved by their efforts, and there were just a handful of Westerners in the city.
Most of the refugees–who were *not* Westerners–were transported in shifts to safety in Greece.
All of this is in the article I linked to–but if you do not like that one, there is *much* more historic documentation.
The idea that this happened at the beginning of the destruction of Smryna is mistaken, as well–in fact, Jennings just gave sanctuary to victims to shelter in his organization’s compound in Smyrna until he realized that this was not just an episode of unrest, but a full destruction of the city.
It was only then that he acted to get as many Christians out of the city as they could.
I have often noted that the West should have done even more to save the victims of the Armenian Genocide–but minimizing all that they *did* do–especially given that the West was the *only* group that was helping the victims at the time–is just calumny.
Kay says
Thanks for the link, gravenimage. Jennings’ story is inspiring and I had not heard it.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Kay. A brave and good man who should be much better remembered.
eur says
“our holy religion ” … so other religions are not “ours” . Supposedly Turkey is a secular country .. hahaha, what a joke.
Jay Boo says
“Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan said years ago that “Islamophobia” should be recognized as a crime against humanity”
——————————————————————-
Islam is a crime against humanity.
JOHN SPIELMAN says
the mere preaching of islam itself is a HATE crime by all definitions
Christianblood says
Jay Boo posted
(..Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan said years ago that “Islamophobia” should be recognized as a crime against humanity..)
Thanks to the islam-loving West, president Erdogan and his genocidal islamic Turks will soon get their wish. America and the West will soon recognize “Islamophobia” as a crime against humanity. Canada have just recently passed “Anti-Islamophobia Motion” and many other Western countries will follow soon:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/thomas-woodley/canada-anti-islamophobia-law_b_12753924.html
Jay Boo says
Beware of CNN coverage
Slightly off topic
Anderson Cooper will lie to make his point in the following Example.
This is just one of many examples.
Anderson Cooper says CNN never reported on story that Hillary blamed 12 year old rape victim.
Lynne says
I used to like Anderson. I have now lost all respect for him.
Angemon says
I, for one, would like to know the names of these “islamophobic” games so I can play the s*** out of them. Oh, wait – “we have determined that…”. Well, make that, “to see whether or not this alleged islamophobia exists”.
Jay Boo says
Say “Armenian Genocide”
Watch as peaceful Erdogan gets red faced and froths at the mouth.
Kepha says
Say “seyfo”, too–along with the massacres of the Pontic, Cappadocian, and Anatolian Greeks.
gravenimage says
True, Jay Boo and Kepha. The Armenian Genocide was really a genocide against all Christians and Infidels in Turkey.
Charli Main says
So, whats new ???
The Turks have been persecuting Christians and stealing their land, since 1071 AD.
Demsci says
Yes! After the battle of Manzikert. Alp Arslan beat emperor Romanus Diogenes.
But when I talk to Turks about it, they do not even seem to know it, saying something like: Turkey was always Turkey!
They do not even seem to know where so many of the names of their cities come from. They don’t know or care to know how Kayseri was Caesarea. Konya was Iconium, Izmir was Smyrna. Izmit was Nicomedia, Iznik was Nicea, Trabzon Trebizonde, Ankara was Ankyra, Antakya Antioch etc. At best they remember Istanbul was Constantinopel or Byzantium.
What kind of history education do they have in Turkish schools?
Charli Main says
The kind that teaches Turkish children that they are not the descendants of invaders from Central Asia and that their ancestors systematically massacred over 80 million of that country’s ORIGINAL INHABITANTS.
gravenimage says
And the name of Smyrna was only changed in the 1920s, after Muslim Turks destroyed what had been Turkey’s wealthiest and most cosmopolitan city–and the last one that was majority non-Muslim.
common sense says
Too bad. Creating and playing video games is art and science/ technology.
Movies today don’t dare point out and detail Islamic “bad guys”. It’s always one of Bill Clintons “redneck” sheriffs or some white supremacist portrayed as evil. Hollywood carries out their attacks on whites in their movies from “Hans Gruber” to street level hells angel meth dealing thugs. Whites and blacks made to look bad through the optics of Hollywood is fine because there are some evil SOB’s out there (like the Clintons) so please, have at the world of Islam and ahole Muslim supremacists, they are rife with violence and the oppressive double standards of evil.
War movies involving the the real strife and battles in the middle east only detail drama and battle without ever hitting on why our troops are there in the first place. Shitlam sux that’s why.
I would love to see a producer and director with some balls take on the narrative (especially on oppression of Muslim women, Christians and minorities of the Islamic world) with a updated block buster movie to expose the treachery of Jihad and the alphabet soup of stealth Jihad.
Mark A says
There was report recently that the Turks have fully converted the Haji Sophia, once the largest Christian Cathedral in the world, into a mosque.
It was converted into a mosque following the Muslim conquest of Constantinople in 1453, then changed to a museum under Ataturk’s secular government.
The Erdogan government has now converted it back into a mosque.
The Erdogan government is also persecuting all non-Muslims.
Spare us the Islamophobia claims, Turkey. We’re not interested.
Oh, by the way, your treatment of the Armenians was, in fact, genocide.
Charli Main says
Greek, Chaldean and Assyrian Christians were also systematically exterminated by the Turks.
gravenimage says
Yes–they were victims along with the Armenian Christians. Levantine Christians were targeted, as well.
Greyhound Fancier says
Isn’t it amazing how a tiny minority – Christians in Turkey – can be such a danger? I’d be surprised if the danger from the Christians is physical danger to Turks, in all probability the danger is that Turks might be enticed to change their belief system. That is dangerous to the Mohammedan (from family and society).
Typical of tyrants, the Turks always have to designate a foreign devil to prop up their government.
Greyhound Fancier says
Fear of Islam, especially in Turkey, is an appropriate emotion, placed by God to guard one’s life against obvious threats. I fear Islam – I would be an endangered minority in an Islamic state; the shariah would target me for at the least oppression and at the worst death.
It’s not islamophobia, it’s islamorealism.
RichardL says
I hate to remind everyone but Turkey is still an ally and friend. I have been saying for over ten years now that Turkey is the most important enemy the West has. Iran isn’t part of NATO, neither are Pakistan, Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, etc.
Erdogan has always honest: democracy is the train that we ride until we reach our destination: islam. And the wombs of Mohammedan women are their most important tool for reaching that goal.
Trump will end visa-less entry for scumbag countries like SA and Qatar. I hope he will also throw Turkey out of NATO.
gravenimage says
Like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, Turkey is no real ally of the free West.
Michael Copeland says
“Protestants in Turkey are not recognized as an official religious community
and are subjected to hate crimes, and physical and verbal assaults.”
Of course.
“It is unbelief (kufr) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions, such as “Christianity” and “Judaism” are acceptable……”
(“Reliance of the Traveller”, w4).
“…an excellent pattern ….between us and you enmity and hatred forever….”,
Koran 60:4, part of Islamic law.
“If anyone desire a religion other than Islam never will it be accepted of him”
Koran 3:85, ditto
David says
Yes! I love those games!
Just blasting a crowed of muslim JIHADIST is a thrill!
Can hardly wait to blast them in “Real Life”!
I say, sell us more of those : Blast a Muslim TERRORISTS games!
They are MY FAVORITE!
Sam says
I am originally from Turkey.
I could not read these BS stuff from Erdogan and company. This is a country remnant of Ottoman Empire which was the Caliphate terrorizing Europe and Asia as brutal or more than ISIS for centuries. They still deny the Armenian (Christian) genocide of milllions (who knows what the number is). Now the country is going back to become more Islamized as before.
In a sane world, leaders of the world would tell this idiot Erdogan to shut up and cut ties until they can get a semi-democratic system in Turkey, But no, our Muslim loving idiot EX PRESIDENT OBAMA gives him a hug. Our liberal idiots are buying this crapalso INSANE!!!
gravenimage says
So true, Sam.
Daniel Triplett says
The USAF stores about 50 nuclear warheads at Incirlik AB, Turkey.
We’d better not let those Muslims anywhere near them. Better yet, let’s quietly and quickly remove them all.
gravenimage says
Turks hold “anti-Islamophobia” events in US while persecuting Christians
…………………
Damned thugs.
No Fear says
“holy book (Quran)”
The Quran is not a holy book. It is a supremacist manifesto written by a military commander.
duh swami says
There are about 160 military verses written by a commander, …the rest of it was written by one or more lunar-ticks…
Carolyne says
If Islamophobia is a crime against humanity, it shouldn’t bother Turks. Muslims don’t seem to be human.
A few years ago, when Hillary Clinton was SOS, she attended a meeting in Istanbul the subject of which was the UN making a rule that criticizing Islam a crime against humanity. We should all be happy Trump won because Hillary Clinton is in cahoots with Saudi Arabia and her girlfriend is one of them.
Cretius says
The leaders of the western democracies and their leftist mainstream media have demonstrated an appalling ignorance of the bigoted teachings of Islam and it’s aggressive and bloody 1,400 year history of attacking and eradicating non-believers. Islam conquers through warfare. Islam makes no accommodation and it is against their belief system to assimilate. Islam encourages deception and lies to further their worldwide aim of eradicating democracies, non-believers and other cultures. There can be no accommodation of Islam or Islamic law.
Turkish Christians Network says
Sorry, but, this article is not telling the whole story…
The reporter on this article had political positions against Turkish Government for a long time. His personal twitter account can prove this. So, his comments are prejudiced.
We as Turkish Christians, we don’t have a lot of problems except the struggles of being a Christian. We have not involved political groups like HDP (political representative of Kurdish Terrorist Group).
Cretius says
Historically aggressive Islam has only been countered by military force.
Look to Europe to see how Islamic Law creeps into the West. ‘Islamophobia’ is an artificial term, coined by Mohammedans, usually teamed with ‘racist’ designed to shut down any discussion or perception by Mohammedans of ‘criticism’ of Islam. It is a direct attack on fact based free speech and criticism based in fact.
Any ‘religion’ that openly promotes deception and lies to protect or further it’s goals is despicable to non-believers.
Unfortunately Western leaders and politicians are abysmally ignorant about the teachings of Islam and it’s bloody and aggressive 1,400 year history of conquest of non-Mohammedan peoples. Islam makes no compromise or accommodation to non-believers. Democracies are fools to not follow the same policy with Islam.