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UK: Muslim leader says Muslims have “right” to use Sharia law in Britain

Nov 3, 2016 9:49 am By Robert Spencer

“All that it is, you have these private and independent institutions arise from different minority communities, Sharia councils and Beit Din in the Jewish community, which are basically people who want to enact their right to religious life without interference from secularists.”

In saying this, al-Andalusi ignores the problem with Sharia courts entirely: Sharia councils are not equivalent to Beit Din in the Jewish community because Sharia, unlike Jewish law, asserts authority over unbelievers, as well as authority for governance. Moreover, with its sanction of wife-beating (Qur’an 4:34), devaluing of women’s testimony (Qur’an 2:282) and inheritance rights (Qur’an 4:11), allowance for polygamy (Qur’an 4:3), mandate of warfare against and subjugation of unbelievers (Qur’an 9:29), Sharia is incompatible with secular legal systems in numerous ways. Britain is in denial about that, as is the rest of the West. But sooner or later it will be quite painfully obvious to everyone.

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“Muslims ‘have the RIGHT to use Sharia law in Britain’, says Islamic activist,” by Joe Barnes, Express, November 3, 2016:

AN ISLAMIC activist has claimed that Muslims have the right to use Sharia law and branded the Government’s inquiry into the matter as an “interference”.

Dr Ahmad al-Dubayan, chairman of the UK Board of Sharia Councils – a body set up to standardise the administration of Islamic law – said unregulated Sharia law courts exist “everywhere in the country”.

He told the Home Affairs Select Committee, on Tuesday, that the self-appointed courts are performing marriages and handing out divorces.

Although the unregulated bodies have no legal force or jurisdiction in the UK, they are regularly used by Muslim families to adjudicate on personal matters, the Committee heard….

He said: “We don’t know how many councils there are.

“Some people talk about 80 or 30 or 50, I don’t know. There is no record for this and no studies, unfortunately.”

He added that he could think of only two or three cases which had been unfair to women out of “hundreds” handled by Sharia councils.

The Select Committee heard that if Sharia courts are banned, backstreet courts will continue to operate but will slip even further under the radar.

Labour MP Naz Shah, who also giving evidence, admitted the councils could be used to “oppress” women.

She added: “Sharia itself is actually a code of conduct and the fundamental principal of Sharia is that the law of the land proceeds anything.

“You cannot enforce and have a second parallel legal system in this country.

“As a British lawmaker I’m very clear, we have one law and that law is of the British court.”

Abdullah al-Andalusi, co-founder of The Muslim Debate Initiative hit out at the Committee’s inquiry, claiming the “private or independent” bodies have the right to operate in Britain without “interference”.

Speaking on Sky News, he said: “All I would say is all this really amounts to is interference by a supposedly neutral body – the UK Government – into people’s religion and private affairs….

“All that it is, you have these private and independent institutions arise from different minority communities, Sharia councils and Beit Din in the Jewish community, which are basically people who want to enact their right to religious life without interference from secularists.”

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  1. Godwin says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 10:11 am

    UK will soon become UKnistan. When civil war breaks out It has to SOS to Russia n China for help.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 9:13 pm

      Godwin wrote:

      When civil war breaks out It has to SOS to Russia n China for help.
      ………………………

      Russia and China have their own dhimmitude–Russia has allowed Shari’ah law in Chechnya on its watch, and has enabled a nuclear Iran; China allows Muslims–but not others–to arm themselves with knives in Western China.

      We are in trouble in the West, no doubt–but looking to unfree Russia and China is *no* solution.

    • jim mcinnes says

      Nov 6, 2016 at 3:02 pm

      We already have Londonistan

  2. Cretius says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 10:50 am

    Sharia Courts and Sharia Law should have no legal standing or official approval in a western democracy. To those from the Arab world any accommodation or concession to Sharia Law is seen as proof Sharia is superior. It is interpreted as a weakness to be exploited. Such is the case with the Saudis and the wholesale outbreak of Muslim outlawry in Europe. Yet western leaders have chosen short term Muslim votes over the future welfare of their nations. People are beginning to awaken to the threat even when their leaders live in denial. Hence, the rise of extreme right-wing nationalistic parties.

    Islam makes no accommodation or concession to democracies, or other cultures and religions. That is the difference.

    • Pam says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      Minnesota has the Somali Muslims and they are looked at as the dirt Muslims by the Arab Muslims. The Somalis have been dropped in Minnesota for over 20 years now, and the ones in Minneapolis/ St. Paul Cedar Riverside neighborhood is also called “Little Mogadishu” in reference to Somalia’s capital. Some Minneapolis residents feel parts of their city have become like a third world nation.

      Inside a 10 mile radius of Minneapolis city-center, there are at least 29 Islamic Centers/mosques, and an unknown number of home-mosques. The Twin Cities area is home to Hamas organizations including CAIR and Islamic Associations. The Muslim Brotherhood’s Muslim Students Associations (MSAs) are on at least 21 Minnesota college and university campuses. There are MSAs in at least 11 Minnesota high schools recruiting jihadis and turning public opinion towards the Palestinian Cause (Hamas) and away from Israel.

      Other Muslim Brotherhood (jihadi) organizations in and around the Twin Cities area include the Islamic Societies in Woodbury and Willmar, the Muslim American Society (MAS), and others.

      I lived in a small rural town Olivia, it is only 26 miles from my little home town. It was home for almost 46 years, I know live in Texas, been out of Minnesota for almost 6 years now. Minnesota’s own Gov. Mark Dayton has told Minnesotans if they don’t want the Somali refugees then they can move to a State that doesn’t take in as many refugees. There are still Somalians that have been there for over 20 years and don’t speak a word of English. They have Islamic schools and they don’t teach US Government, they teach Sharia Law, and they wonder why American born Somalis have turned Minnesota into the ISIS recruiting center of the US. It is very much in the US now. The stabbing in St. Cloud Mn the Somalis got up and just lied the woman even said that one day we will see this as a good thing, that ISIS is not the same religion, that they don’t have any connections to any terrorist groups and CAIR is standing right there with them. Yet not one word is said about the lies by the media. I’m not sure if Minnesota will ever be the same again, the only way the liberals cross over is when something happens to them or someone very close and dear to them. A 10 year old has been raped by a Somali man and the media tried to hide that it was one of the refugees that did it. There have been sex slave rings busted and I’m sure there are many that are still active. Somalians are evil.

      http://newobserveronline.com/somalis-in-america-a-horror-story-of-crime-violence-and-now-terrorism/

  3. Stephanie says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 10:58 am

    … cause it’s allah’SS law,

    Supreme legislator, ‘… For EACH (Muslims & non-Muslims) We (in Royal plural) have appointed a DIVINE (shari’ah) law’ Q5:48

    https://twitter.com/schnellmann_org/status/793912663566872576

  4. john spielman says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 10:59 am

    the Brits better then stand up and arm them selves -a sort of home guard, to drive the islamists out of their counrty

    • David says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 11:13 am

      That ! My good Sir, is EXACTLY what is called for!
      Put these Savages back in Donkey-hump-astan!

      • john spielman says

        Nov 3, 2016 at 5:27 pm

        you mean CRAPistan

    • American Pragmatism says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 4:54 pm

      I thought taking weapons and stifiling free speech will becoming soon. As a great man said that is what is required for a true democracy.

      • American Pragmatism says

        Nov 3, 2016 at 4:55 pm

        As in the oppressors will take your weapons and stifle free speech as those are threats to their rule.

      • Jay Boo says

        Nov 3, 2016 at 10:55 pm

        Muslims (in glass houses) should stop threatening the good noble patriotic citizens of our society.

        Have they never heard?

        “Live by the sword — Die by the sword”

  5. David says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 11:11 am

    What is UP with these SAVAGES ?????
    Did some one at the mosque rise from his chair, lift his filthy skirt, and spew forth a Fartwah????
    They move into someone elses Nation, look you in the eye and try to tell YOU they don’t have to OBAY THE LAW?????
    This MANIAC needs a padded cell! And I mean RIGHT NOW !

  6. gretel says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 11:29 am

    And why not as Britain toys with the idea of discarding democracy. They are making a mockery of the British people.

  7. kessler says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 11:46 am

    Undercover footage of Sharia court proceedings in the uk

    • PRCS says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 2:06 pm

      Note that the only person mispronouncing “shari’ah” is the “journalist”.
      Why does she keep doing that?

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 10:30 pm

      Horrible–but none of this surprises. Brava, Baroness Cox.

  8. Charlotte Poirier says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 12:13 pm

    That is your call , you have to live with it .

  9. kessler says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    Although it is against the principles of a Western democracy to have a parallel court system which oppresses women, the Sharia courts are not what concerns me the most.
    Sharia law on the other hand should be opposed in every way. Because it affects the broader population, not just Muslims. It has already succeeded in oppressing free speech in line with Sharia blasphemy laws, and it is the catalyst for extremism due to it’s message of hate towards non-muslims.
    Adherents to Sharia law should not be part of our society. They will never assimilate – they are working towards dismantling our free society and submit us to their religious supremacism. They won the free speech war (Islam has been granted immunity to satire/criticism), and I would hate to see them win more wars.
    But who is going to stop them?

    • PRCS says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 2:20 pm

      Not to be rude, but, IMO, the term Islamic law is the appropriate term.

      The shari’ah (the straight path) is, essentially, compliance with Islamic law (from praying, to wiping one’s butt, to the brutal butchery of livestock, punitive amputation of a fellow human being’s hand, treatment of non-Muslim “unbelievers”, misogyny, and on.

      Everything a Muslim does–or should do–is in accordance with Islamic law.

      Regards

  10. Crusades Were Right! says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    Coming soon to British ports of entry:

    “Welcome to the Islamic Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

    Please make sure you deposit all alcoholic beverages and non-Islamic religious items (Bibles, crucifixes, rosaries, etc) in the bins provided

    Failure to comply with this regulation may result in a fine and/or imprisonment and/or 200 lashes”

    • Crusades Were Right! says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 12:29 pm

      Forgot to mention pork products!

      Oink!

      ; ¬)

  11. jayell says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    Let’s have a closer looke at what this Dr. Ahmad al-Dubayan says…..

    “He said: “We don’t know how many councils there are. “Some people talk about 80 or 30 or 50, I don’t know. There is no record for this and no studies, unfortunately.” He added that he could think of only two or three cases which had been unfair to women out of “hundreds” handled by Sharia councils…….”

    He says he only knows of two or three cases that have been ‘unfair to women, but….
    (a) He also says that he doesn’t know how many of these ‘councils’ exist, so therefore he can’t have the faintest clue how many cases there have been and what these cases have involved, therefore how much unfairness to women there has been.
    (b) He doesn’t define his idea of ‘unfairness’, because if he’s pushing the sharia line there’s a yawning gap between the UK definiton of that idea and his.

    “The Select Committee heard that if Sharia courts are banned, backstreet courts will continue to operate but will slip even further under the radar……”

    Really? So then the UK can squander yet more of its law-enforcement resources by searching out these ‘courts’ out and prosecuting all thiose involved. The muslim community here is wasting enough of the UK’s resources already that a little more money down the drain won’t make that much difference.

    “Labour MP Naz Shah, who also giving evidence, admitted the councils could be used to “oppress” women….”

    Really? Wow! We would never have suspected that, would we?

    “She added: “Sharia itself is actually a code of conduct and the fundamental principal of Sharia is that the law of the land proceeds anything.You cannot enforce and have a second parallel legal system in this country….”

    Any legal system is basically a code of conduct, we don’t need this woman to tell us that. This woman also does not seem to have a good grasp of English vocabulary. What I presume she really means to say is that ‘English law SUPERCEDES or TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER any other legal considerations.’ We all know that already. And you can’t have two legl systems in ANY country. That’s just basic logical common sense that’s been around for thousands of years.

    “As a British lawmaker I’m very clear, we have one law and that law is of the British court…..”

    Or does that mean she’s taking that line only because SHE thinks that SHE has a measure of control over the situation? What if she didn’t?

    “Abdullah al-Andalusi, co-founder of The Muslim Debate Initiative hit out at the Committee’s inquiry, claiming the “private or independent” bodies have the right to operate in Britain without “interference”.

    What’s this? “The Muslim Debate Initiative”? What’s THAT when it’s at home? Does that go along with all the rest of the posh-sounding ‘Muslim Council for this’, or ‘Muslim Commission for that’, or ‘Muslim Committee for the other’ crap that we seem to get all the time these days, when it’s really just bunches of self-appointed superannuated old bearded bigots who have got time on their hands thanks to the UK benefits system and can therefore sit around shooting their mouths of because they’re not capable of anything else? And since when did the practice of Islam equip anyone for any kind of serious debate (assuming that your average muslim actually understands the proper meaning of that word)? I (and a few million others) was always under the impression that, if anything, the only contribution that Islam could make to the debating process was STOPPING it! But let this joker carry on….

    “Speaking on Sky News, he said: “All I would say is all this really amounts to is interference by a supposedly neutral body – the UK Government – into people’s religion and private affairs….All that it is, you have these private and independent institutions arise from different minority communities, Sharia councils and Beit Din in the Jewish community, which are basically people who want to enact their right to religious life without interference from secularists……”

    (a) Since when was the UK Government a ‘neutral body’? The UK Government is the democratic organ of control for the UK in accordance with the wishes of the majority of the British people, and that is NOT ‘neutral’. In other words ‘anything’ does NOT ‘go’.
    (b) People may well enact their religious beliefs, but, like everything, within the law of the land as laid down by Parliament representing the will of the people. ALL of the people, that is. Al-Andalusi here is conveniently ignoring that fact that we are NOT just talking about what sort of prayers we want to say to what sort of Deity, we are talking about what sort of laws govern us in our day-to-day dealings with each other, which will always impact on the wider community on which Al-Andalusi and his kind will depend as long as they remain in the UK. Al-Andalusi and his kind are effectively claiming the right to do just as they please whilst expecting the rest of us pander to their every whim and toiletry need, and that would include giving themselves licence to behave in ways that Mr. and Mrs. Average UK Taxpayer find utterly repugnant. Perhaps Al-Andalusi should ‘initiate’ one of his ‘debates’ with us, and we’ll give huim one or two things to think about. Or perhaps we should just start ‘debating’ with him in a way he won’t forget in a hurry.

    • Angemon says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 1:30 pm

      +1

    • PRCS says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 2:28 pm

      Note, too, that Labour MP Naz Shah stated, “Sharia itself is actually a code of conduct and the fundamental principal of Sharia is that the law of the land proceeds anything.

      What a load of crap.

      • jayell says

        Nov 3, 2016 at 3:27 pm

        Yes, that’s what I meant. If they can’t even get the language right (and this is supposed to be an MP!!!) what else aren’t they going to get right? Oh, sorry, I forget, THEY make the rules, don’t they?

        • PRCS says

          Nov 3, 2016 at 8:47 pm

          I strongly suspect that M.P. Shah is intentionally misrepresenting the truth about the Shari’ah–no failure to get the language right on her part.

      • Anne Smith says

        Nov 4, 2016 at 6:25 am

        Naz Shah has been nicknamed Nazi Shah in the British Press.

        • jayell says

          Nov 4, 2016 at 10:30 am

          Well if Islam is to all intents and purposes the original Proto Nazi party (as per all those parallels between the Qu’ran and Mein Kampf) then ‘Nazi Shah’ is fitting. It also seems to fit well with an apparent inability on the part of muslims to handle the concept of ‘democracy’ as we know it. I believe that I detect a tendency amongst those of the ‘Religion of Peace’ who have been elected to office either nationally or locally to take their election as a licence to dictate according to their own personal/religious agenda with a hint of contempt for their ‘subjects’, whose opinions seem to become more and more irrelevant and treated disrespectfully the more that the new ‘ruling elite’ get their feet under the table. At the moment it’s reasonably under control because they are still a small enough minority and there are still effective checks and balances. At the moment, that is…..

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 11:14 pm

      Fine analysis, Jayell.

  12. Richard Paulsen says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    Once UK had good leadership, who understood what happened to Europe and to themselves. Now however all that seem to be gone. Noone aware of the nowaday ” Blitz. ” Terrible.

    • Anne Smith says

      Nov 4, 2016 at 6:30 am

      Too true. Theresa May has set up an official enquiry into Sharia courts, to see whether they “discriminate against women”. I wouldn’t have thought the huge expense of an official enquiry would be needed to see the blindingly obvious.

      • PRCS says

        Nov 4, 2016 at 9:54 pm

        Precisely.

  13. Paul Clark says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    King Solomon said the tongue has the power of death and life. The voice of Islam is death. There are many that speak the tongue of death”: Islam, O, Bama, Hillary, Pelosi, most democrats and the list goes on and on. Hate and greed are universal and speak the same demonic language.

  14. Guest says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    “In Islam Obedience means love and devotion,”
    As if Islam allows love.

    • Eyes open says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 9:02 pm

      Agreed. in Islam there cannot be love as there is no free will. Only obedience to abhorrent laws and regulations

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 3, 2016 at 11:38 pm

      There is no love in Islam.

      • Chris says

        Nov 4, 2016 at 2:58 am

        There is if you love children like Mohammed loved them very dearly – what a great example marrying a 6 year old – Mohammed is the epitome of evil and clearly this religion must be abolished to make this world safe for all

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 4, 2016 at 9:21 pm

          Ewww…

      • PRCS says

        Nov 4, 2016 at 9:56 pm

        Goats.

  15. gravenimage says

    Nov 3, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    UK: Muslim leader says Muslims have “right” to use Sharia law in Britain
    ………………………..

    Muslim barbarians have no right to bring their savagery to the civilized world.

  16. Chip says

    Nov 4, 2016 at 2:23 am

    I Was Raised By An Islamic Terror Cult IN AMERICA!
    https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2016/05/27/confession-i-was-raised-by-an-islamic-terror-cult-in-america/

  17. Chip says

    Nov 4, 2016 at 2:23 am

    Muslims Don’t Assimilate, They Infiltrate
    https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/muslims-dont-assimilate-they-infiltrate/

  18. Chris says

    Nov 4, 2016 at 2:56 am

    No you don’t goat lover – Islam and sharia are dead and buried by those who live in the real world and not your little dungeons and dragons little medieval world – go back in your little hole and rot!

  19. ali Bey says

    Nov 4, 2016 at 7:31 am

    More probable an Islamic Coup d,etat that a civil war.

  20. Muhammad's Ghost says

    Nov 4, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    This guy’s real name is Mouloud Farid.

    He was fired by the British government over his support of “extremist” (aka Quranically based) ideology and his verbal support for ISIS.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11733968/By-day-at-heart-of-counter-terror-policing.-And-by-night-preacher-of-extremism.html

    Abdullah Al-Andalusi is his nom de guerre.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 4, 2016 at 9:39 pm

      Yes–and the reference to “Al Andalus” is the Muslim reconquest of Spain and Portugal–and by extension the rest of Europe.

  21. jim mcinnes says

    Nov 6, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    As a Canadian I think that support for Sharia law is support for treason. Sharia law would trump our Parliament, our Judiciary and our banking system. Surely that is treason. I fear Islam more than jihadists. The West can defeat terrorism but I am unsure that this applies to ideology. We should take a leaf out of the Saudi’s handbook and find a way to convert those who don’t believe in our values. Perhaps the internet is our only tool.

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