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Vatican cardinal: Pope Benedict’s Regensburg address was ‘prophetic’

Nov 12, 2016 10:30 am By Robert Spencer

In his 2006 Regensburg address, Pope Benedict  cited the 14th-century Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus regarding the preaching of violence in a religion, stating:

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached…”

Cardinal Tauran said: “Islam and Christianity are two religions with a universal vocation; it is normal that there be frictions. But the difference is that we propose, they impose.”

But is there any room in the Catholic Church for someone who says such things now? It is a de facto dogma of Francis’ Church that Islam is a religion of peace. We shall see if Pope Francis takes action against him.

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“Vatican cardinal: Pope Benedict’s Regensburg address was ‘prophetic,’” Catholic Culture, November 11, 2016

…Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, the president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, attended the meeting and said at a press conference that Pope Benedict XVI’s remarks on Islam in his 2006 Regensburg address were “prophetic” in light of what has transpired in recent years.

“Islam and Christianity are two religions with a universal vocation; it is normal that there be frictions,” Cardinal Tauran said at a press conference, according to La Croix. “But the difference is that we propose, they impose.”

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  1. Kay says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:42 am

    Many things went into Trump’s victory in the election. My belief is that one of those things is prayer: many of us were praying.

    Let us now pray for the Catholic Church. As you know, by the election results, Catholics are about as evenly divided as is the entire country.

    • Kay says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 10:44 am

      My error: should say “the Catholic Church in US.”

      • Deshawn Washington says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 4:19 pm

        Since the 70s the church has not catechized. It is a mortal sin, a sin that cuts you off from the grace of God, to NOT have voted for trump. Marxism is the current heresy in the church, Francis has the bug….

    • Oliver says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 3:07 pm

      What i saw in an analysis- Catholics gave P. E. Trump something like a 5 or sp per-cent margin; Romney over Obama was like 2% .

      Clinton did not go ( but was invited to go) to Notre Dame and give a speech- and declined.

      Cubans, who are, (in the US, anyhow) mostly Catholic voted almost en masse (in FL, anyhow) for Trump.

    • Ciudadano says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 3:50 pm

      Trump got 52% of the Catholic vote. In 2012 Romny got 48%. That 4% made a big difference. A couple of days before election Catholic media was denuncing Clinton’s pro abortion policies and clearly asking people to vote agains her. EWTN monday morning mass sermon was against abortion and politicians who support it. I hope mr Trump would not let down christians.

      • Mac-101 says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 5:14 pm

        As much as I find Abortion disgusting and murder of the innocents. I’d be happy if TRUMP fights to STOP all US Government funding of any institution that preforms abortion for other than the life of the women, rape and incest. And also stop making religious institutions fund it and perhaps even perform them.
        .
        Let the women make the decision between G-d, Satan and the institution which funds it! As I understand it the Vertigas people are still looking at federal charges making the tape of LIVE Babies being born so THEY could make more money from the baby parts killing them AFTER they are out of the womb! Of course, no charges pending on the people KILLIN the LIVE BORN Babies!

      • joe says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 2:16 am

        pope francis is an embarrasment to the catholic church

        • Lynne says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 8:53 am

          He is to me. I am a lapsed Canadian Catholic senior who is appalled at his words and actions.

        • Robeaver says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 7:34 pm

          The Catholic church is an embarrassment to the Catholic church.

        • Cynthia in California says

          Nov 17, 2016 at 2:25 pm

          I agree with @joe, @Timothy Jordan, @Lynne, @Robeaver, and @Charles immediately above:

          Abp. Bergoglio is not worthy of the trappings of the office he currently wears. The last worthy pontiff is in “internal exile,” and his name is Benedict XVI.

  2. mccode says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:42 am

    “But the difference is that we propose, they impose.”

    Or should it more accurately be said, ” We capitulate, they decapitate.”

    • Musalmaanmasala says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 10:53 am

      Ha Ha Ha. I laugh but it is no laughing matter. You are 150% right. In our zeal of being politically correct with people (muslims) who have only self serving agenda at heart and are not willing to give an inch in this quest of universal conquest by hook or by crook, we are going over board in offering the other cheek when we have no more cheeks to offer, except maybe the ones on our back sides. 🙂

    • Dom107 says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 11:03 am

      The Catholic Church historically did impose a lot but like government have become pc.
      They should highlight evil wherever they see it and they would get more respect

    • Rob says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 3:26 am

      “We Propose”….?
      Really?

      Both religions indoctrinate from birth; and create life-long vulnerabilities in adults who were subjected to this process.

      The ONLY difference between the two, is that Christianity’s modus operandi (spreading the faith by the sword) was defeated by secular rejection and hard-fought battles to counter it.

      The new Islamic drive to conquer the world is EXACTLY the same as the Christian one which endured for five hundred years; and which reason, logic and enormous courage sorted out.
      The main problem here, is that the world doesn’t have 500 years to defeat this inhuman scourge – it must be done NOW; and the “liberal” push-back against sensible counter-measures is a betrayal of everything for which reason stands.
      It’s easy to speak “tolerance” in the tolerant west, where you have the freedom to express yourself, but it’s beyond stupid not to recognise that your tolerant acceptance of the “Religion Of Peace” will lead to a future under an entirely intolerant Caliphate; and that today’s weapons and tactics which are available to oil-rich governments will render any future push-back impossible.
      Once you let this violence-driven, intolerant mob into your country, it’s game over; and Merkel’s insane invitation has so well demonstrated; and Brexit and Trump’s election has become the point of the wedge which could save part of the West…

      Church has no place in this crucial battle, as the Catholic Church’s muddled rhetoric has demonstrated

      Get back to the Constitution as the only bulwark against Liberal Insanity and Religious Bigotry.

      Don’t make Merkel’s and the EU’s mistake. Don’t let religion be used as a way for oppressors to become seen as “Victims”; and the US will prevail.

      • Thomas says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 10:57 am

        I believe that the United States of America must and will lead best by example, demonstrating to the world that Honesty and Freedom can and will defeat Deception and Slavery. It is up to us to uphold the highest principals of Truth and Justice in our own government, our dealings with other governments and individual peoples on this planet. It is the only way that the human race will survive. Let this be a new beginning without end!

  3. Michael Laudahn says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:57 am

    Thanks to him for speaking out the truth. I hope he and his post will survive it.

  4. David says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 10:58 am

    Between the Muslim and the Christian, there is no common ground.
    The Christian wants to pray for your soul.
    The Muslim will “take it from you” by force!
    The Christian believe our children are to be protected
    While the Muslim would steal our children to sexualy abuse them.
    No! I see no common ground at all.

    • Silvia says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 11:56 am

      You could have made life much easier for yourself and written “between islam and humanity there is no common ground”

      • Jay Boo says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 1:14 pm

        I agree Silvia, but alas other agendas sometimes clouds David’s muddled mind and migrate to a closing conclusion that differs much from his misleading introduction.

    • JOHN SPIELMAN says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 3:11 pm

      i agree with you! the is NO common ground! just as “what does light have in common with darkness or Christ and Satan” – NOTHING except the former WILL OVERCOME the latter as the Bible says! and the is no mistake islam is darkness compared to the light of Christ and allah /Satan will be bound cast into the Lake of Fire forever

      • Charli Main says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 5:34 am

        Agreed. There can never be any common ground between Christians and Muslims. Muslims have only one overriding objective and that is to destroy or enslave Christians and defile and desecrate their holy places.

        • firefox says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 12:10 pm

          Charli, it is not just Christians. It is all kafir/infidels/unbelievers/non-Muslims. The public’s ignorance of Islam is astounding. It cannot be any clearer in the koran: Muslims are commanded to conquer the world by terror & establish Sharia Law, demanding people become believers of allah & mohammed or die. Christians & Jews can choose to be extorted and live their lives ‘subdued’, but the rest are to convert or die. Our politicians are most to blame because in the west they all first seek the political plum of career and pension and will tolerate anything to achieve it. Liberals are by far the worst because the easiest vote is the one traded for benefits paid by the taxpayer. Hence the world wide growth of NWO globalist liberal multiculturalism. It’s national suicide. Obama and Hillary’s and Soros’ desire is for open borders and the Republic be damned. We must, TRUMP MUST, BAN SHARIA LAW IN THE USA as anti-thetical to the Constitution or the Republic is done. It will only be a matter of time until the Dem’s lie their way to victory and open the borders. There is none to fear more than Islam whose threat is eternal in their view that everyone but them are worthy of death as unbelievers. It is by far the most incidious, evil, & vile belief system ever concocted. Its far worse than Nazism. Islam uses our western ‘tolerance’ and ‘gullablility’ to their advantage. We MUST wake up to this evil threat and stop it dead. BAN SHARIA!! It can in no way be accepted as valid, even as religious law.

        • Charli Main says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 2:56 pm

          @ Firefox

          You are, of course, quite right. Muslims have murdered around 280 million people in the last 1400 years. Zoroastrians, Hindus and Buddhists have been systematically exterminated in many areas of Asia by Muslim invaders and their women and children subjected to horrors that belie imagination.

    • David says

      Nov 14, 2016 at 2:33 am

      YES! Between Truth and Lies there is no common ground, neither between Christ and Satan, or between Jehovah and Allah. Light and Darkness.

      • Jay Boo says

        Nov 14, 2016 at 2:51 am

        Agree
        No common ground.

      • Wakeup says

        Nov 15, 2016 at 5:41 am

        Jehova is I believe a mistake that has gotten into our history the correct name for God being Yaweh or in the case of Christians also Jesus.

  5. Mac-101 says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:03 am

    I pray Pope Benedict is OK. Has he made any announcements since his removal for what appears to be the “False Prophet” of Revelation?

    • ECAW says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 1:32 pm

      Mac – I did read a few weeks ago that Benedict has written (in a memoir I believe) that he is happy with Francis’ papacy. Surprised me. Perhaps someone knows more.

      • Oliver says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 3:10 pm

        Not having seen that- and not being a Catholic- perhaps he (Benedict) said that- just to keep peace within the church.

        That (if I really cared) would be my guess.

      • Mac-101 says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 4:47 pm

        Since Peter denied Christ three times before the cock crowed, can we expect more form a Pope who stood down instead of Speaking Truth to Power?
        .
        Meanwhile hundreds of Christians around the world are being martyred for Christ monthly if not weekly!

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 2:25 pm

      It is *very* odd that Benedict stepped down–something no other pope in history had ever done. That he did this while in apparently good health was even odder.

      • Mac-101 says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 4:49 pm

        Exactly, who would expect the Pope was made an offer he could NOT refuse? Ya’d think he’d be the first to wish Martyrdom!

      • Wellington says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 5:20 pm

        Actually, gravenimage, four Popes before Benedict XVI stepped down, to wit, the wretched Benedict IX in the mid-eleventh century as well as Gregory VI (never to be confused with the monumentally influential Gregory VII) around the same time. Then there was Celestine V who did so in 1294 (who never had any business being Pope in the first place and he knew it), thus paving the way for the disastrous papacy of Boniface VIII. Gregory XI also voluntarily stepped down as part of the way to end the Great Schism (1378-1417), though Benedict XIII and John XXIII did not do so and thus had to be deposed by the Council of Constance.

        Sorry to be such a stickler fir the facts but it’s just the way I’m made up. Hope you and yours are doing well. So glad Trump won. America dodged many bullets because Hillary did not win. Many bullets.

        As always I remain,

        Incorrigibly, conservatively and non-Islamically yours,

        Wellington

        • Wellington says

          Nov 12, 2016 at 5:34 pm

          That’s Gregory XII and not Gregory XI, the latter “merely” being the last of the Avignon Popes.

        • Joe says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 4:03 am

          After the other popes stepped down, did they wear white, live at the Vatican, and still call themselves pope? Benedict only stepped down about half way.

          For example, when they asked Benedict why he still wears white, he said that he didn’t have other clothes. If you don’t think this is serious, try wearing white and go to the Vatican. See how far you get.

          In another case, Benedict still has the keys of St. Peter on his shield. When asked to remove them, Benedict said, “I don’t dare”. So, he still considers himself pope.

          Yet another example, Benedict still has “pope” in his title.

          Still another example, Popes Francis and Benedict entered through the same door on the same day to announce the year of mercy. They are going to need it. Only a pope does that ceremony.

          To not be pope, Benedict needs to remove those keys, quit wearing white, leave the Vatican, quit calling himself pope, retire from public ceremony (especially as Pope), and disengage from running the Church. Benedict makes about an appearance per week at the Vatican, while wearing white, and calling himself pope. That is not stepping down. It is completely forbidden.

          The other popes stepped down altogether. The cardinals who voted for the new pope, Francis, probably didn’t know that Benedict was not going to completely retire. As it is, the election of Francis is not canonically valid. The Church only allows for one Pope at a time.

          We have one canonically valid pope which is Benedict.

          Benedict has nearly a photographic memory. He knows the rules as well as anyone. Something weird is happening.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 10:05 am

          With respect, Joe, I believe you have read way too much into things, though I certainly don’t discount that Benedict was forced out.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 9:31 pm

          Wellington, you are right. I should have said that no pope had previously stepped down save under obvious outside pressure–which did not seem to be the case with Benedict.

          It is always difficult to know how much backstory and history to go into on a forum such as this. As lengthy as some of my posts are, I actually do try to keep them pithy, and not toss in more information than might be useful.

      • Robeaver says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 7:39 pm

        He was in charge of peds and hiding them. So they could strike again. Maybe he was a muslum? Or a ped himself.

        • Lynne says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 11:34 pm

          He was probably forced to step down because of what he said about Islam.

      • David says

        Nov 14, 2016 at 2:39 am

        How much have you read of the history of the Jesuits? That Benedict ‘stepped down’, in fact, seems to fit in with some jesuit history of poisoned cups, assassin daggers etc. Remember a predecessor, John Paul I who only lived as Pope 30 days or so? Maybe it was a ‘wise move’ on the part of Benedict to voluntarily step-down to make room for the first openly Jesuit Pope in history …

        • carol says

          Nov 16, 2016 at 3:32 pm

          Benedict seemed to be too honest in regard to Islam and he was also faced with a Vatican Bank scheduled for serious investigation. He likely did not feel up to the challenges and many videos seem to reveal poor health.
          In this one he meets with Benedict after leaving the Vatican.
          https://youtu.be/13WiFryG2Co

      • Cynthia in California says

        Nov 17, 2016 at 2:30 pm

        Many people I speak to in real life (incl. Orthodox Christians and 100% atheists) believe that His Holiness Benedict XVI was *made* to resign, under what conditions of course no one knows.

        Someone holding the Keys of Peter and washing and kissing the feet of Muslims on Maundy Thursday–which to Muslims indicates submission to their supremacist ideology–is so wrong, I run out of G-rated and even PG-13 rated words to express my loathing.

  6. IQ al Rassooli says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:06 am

    Dear Cardinal Tauran

    I commend you for standing up for the TRUTH

    ““Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached…”

    I also commend you for your COURAGE for not bowing to the asinine and delusional comments regarding Islam uttered by pope Francis

    With all due respect your statement “But the difference is that we propose, they impose.” although perfectly true is none the less Politically Correct. I fully understand your predicament and therefore will put in writing what you cannot reveal publicly~

    Based entirely on Muhammad’s Quran and Sunna (the foundations of Sharia), every single Muslim is the ENEMY of every human being who is NOT a Muslim (all 7 billions).

    Further more, because Muslims are condemned to emulate their depraved mentor Muhammad bin abd Allah, therefore every Muslim, irrespective of Gender Culture Tradition Race Ethnicity or Back ground must exhibit exactly the following same characteristics all over this Earth:

    Hatemongering Warmongering Racist Disloyal Misogynist Duplicitous Intolerant Unmerciful Treasonous Disloyal Vile and Ungodly and I dare anyone to prove any of these adjectives WRONG

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • Michael Laudahn says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 11:17 am

      Something like your website would be needed, made by a russian about Russia and its typical problems.

  7. Mark A says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 11:55 am

    Good for Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran.

    Pope Benedict’s speech at Regensburg was prophetic but also historically accurate. Unfortunately, the Church watered down that message dramatically after Muslims rioted about the speech.

  8. Protesting Catholic says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    Phoney Francis ,the false prophet will not like people saying the truth about islam.
    The god of the koran “allah” is the complete opposite of the True God.
    You see “allah” and his prophet are very happy to break the commandments-ALL of them,,if you read their bestselling work of fiction,the quran ,which should be correctly named the book of baal.
    The “universal vocation” statement by this cardinal is quite wrong and the fact is that
    islam is the opposite of Christianity;they are not on the same page.
    islam rejects salvation through Christ.
    A cardinal in the RCC is a man of theology and not likely to understand the wisdom of the Holy Spirit
    I’m afraid.

  9. Paul Clark says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    Pope Francis should take heed. However, he will not. He is more of a socialist than a Christian. Although I have respect for much of Catholism, we should never forget it is a theocracy. Based on this line of speculation, there are only minor gaps between religions and ideologies that want to control and dominate most aspects of your life. Pope Frances, Islamic leaders, and Putin are some of these leaders.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 1:20 pm

      Rather than NPR’s favorite villain Putin, you could have said Obama.

      “Only minor gaps between religions…”? blah. blah

      Now that is just plain stinking BS.
      Have you no shame Paul?

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 2:34 pm

      Paul, Catholics do not live under a theocracy.

  10. Paul Clark says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    To Kay says,

    Amen. Prayer was a major factor. The proof is in the pudding with the large evangelical vote. I know I prayed.

  11. Voytek Gagalka says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    Yet another brave man in the RCC, too bad that is minority. I am almost sure that this cardinal did not vote for Francis in the last conclave (election of a pope in RCC).

  12. davej says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    One true statement in a sea of pandering and obscurantism.

  13. Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 1:07 pm

    It is quite clear from the teaching of the Catholic Church how we view Islam, Vatican ll made no dogmatic pronouncements on the subject. That includes Mohammad. The Church is clear what a prophet is and the fellow is excluded.

    No Pope or future Pope can change that,

    For anyone to judge Pope Francis, without knowing what the Church teaches on any subject is silly. If the the source of what the Catholic Church teaches is from the secular M S M, or anecdotal evidence, then it is understandable why non Catholics are rabid.

    However if you say you are Catholic and are rabid, then you probably have a poor understanding of what the Church teaches, then the probability is that one has never taken the time to educate oneself, on the matter.

    Just as Donald Trump, words are manipulated by the M S M so is the Catholic Church.

    Of course we have the elite people on the Left and right, within the structures of the Church, who’s loyalty and faith are not embedded in Christ teaching and this is wrong.

    To be a Catholic is to Trust in the City on the Hill, to have faith in what Christ taught the apostles, to transmit, without fear that message.

    We do not submit to Cesar, we submit to Christ. If the world hates us, then that is good, for they hated Christ for speaking the truth.

    If the world likes you beware.

    I am Catholic and trust in the Church.

    • Oliver says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      I AM NO CATHOLIC, BUT WENT TO A CATHOLIC ( JESUIT) UNIVERSITY AT THE TIME OF VATICAN 2.

      Ecumencialism was BETWEEN THE R.C.C. AND PROTESTANT CHURCHES.

      ONLY.

      Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. WERE NOT INCLUDED, as per the priests who taught the Catholic theology classes (some of which I took, although not required to) .

      Vatican 2’s bit change-as per many of the priests- was to have services in the language of the country and the people, not Latin-so the people could know what they are saying, etc.

      • Oliver says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 3:18 pm

        3rd line from end-should read BIG change not bit change

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 12:07 am

          You have a good point, however God our Father created all people and wills that all people be saved, even those we do not like.

    • Westman says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 12:55 am

      No “rabid” intended, however,

      It must feel very good to know that you can trust in Pope Francis when the Church’s consistent former perspective of Islam was just the opposite.

      I would not bet the lives of my descendents on the attitude of one man, but then I don’t believe any man is infallible, not even Donald Trump. Why, even 1.5+ billion Muslims believe Muhammad was the infallible man. Of course, you don’t believe that, do you?

      It’s kind of like the game, “you bet your life”, except it’s really, “you bet your descendent’s lives”. When Muslims slaughter an unbaptized Catholic child what happens to its soul? I’ve always wondered.

      As a testimony of your faith, record your writing, above, in a journal with a distinct statement that it was in reference to Pope Francis’ call for the church to engage Islam in friendship and love.

      I will do the same(with the opposite view) and leave it for my descendents to ponder the wisdom of Pope Francis. In fact I will leave a “book” about the West’s experience with Islam and what it cost Catholics and other Christians.

      Keep the faith. Really. Keep it.

      • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 2:40 am

        Westman says: “It must feel very good to know that you can trust in Pope Francis when the Church’s consistent former perspective of Islam was just the opposite.” “Keep the faith. Really. Keep it.”

        If you had read what I said, you would see that the “trust” mentioned is the Church, eg the Magisterium of the Church, the teaching of the Church.

        Please point out where Pope Francis has contradicted Christ message. As we listen to Benedict the XVl and respect him, we do the same with Pope Francis. Deus Vult.

        You need to realize the Pope is a spiritual leader in a secular environment, his message to Christians is well understood,

        What has cost Christian lives is not the Popes message, but the world powers that have armed the terrorist, empowered them through western training, the intentional destabilization of governments, that they are in disagreement with.

        The Catholic Church has seen world powers come and go and and is still around, yes as a Catholic I trust in the Catholic Church, would I rather trust in your judgments or for that matter any political leader, respectfully the answer is NO.

      • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 3:37 am

        Have not verified the story, if true would your secular governments. follow?

        “Catholic schools to ban Islam from religious GCSE studies: Senior Muslim readers brand decision ‘very disappointing’ after church intervention.”

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 4:02 am

          Here is the secularist response

          “US Dept of Education urges schools to teach Islam to ‘create anti-bias learning environment”

          You can trust your government.

          Hmmm You can trust the Catholic Church.

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 4:16 am

          Just to point out the hypocrisy of accusations against Pope Francis, you need to look towards yourself and your governments.

          ” As reported by WND.com, “One of the nation’s largest school districts has adopted a resolution banning “hateful speech” against Muslim students while accusing America of having “a long history of racism and xenophobia.”

          The controversial resolution, unanimously approved by the Kansas City Board of Education on Sept. 28, states that there are 30,000 Muslims living in the greater Kansas City area, “making invaluable contributions to our economy, our social and political life, and our culture.”

          It goes on to state that discrimination on the basis of religion, “and against Muslims in particular, is deeply embedded within our country’s long history of racism and xenophobia.”

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 9:34 pm

          Malcolm, we here in the free West can criticize the actions of both religious and secular leaders when they are warranted.

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 1:24 pm

          Absolutely gravenimage

      • Westman says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 11:20 am

        What a man does is more indicative of who he is than what he says. Jesus, you might remember, fashioned a whip and drove the money changers from the Temple:

        “And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;” John 2:15

        As the scripture indicates, this was not some quick flash of anger but a methodic plan that involved the time to make a whip of chords.

        Jesus was not a pacifist nor were Popes who commanded armies.

        Jesus was not afraid to confront evil or insult the religions of his day. He personally taught that they were corrupt – to their face – which means Jesus, by the confused “modern” day of equating religion to a race, would be a “racist” and a “Semitophobe”.

        The Catholic Church is very old as is Hinduism, Judaism, Taoism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Just as the size of Islam is not an indication of correctness, the age of Catholicism is not an indicator of “Magisterium”. The American branch of Catholicism is moving away from Rome for good reason.

        The truth should always be taught no matter who it offends. Pacifism is then road to slavery.

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 1:01 pm

          What ever makes you think that Catholics are pacifist? That is an absurd statement.There are many Catholics in the special forces all over the world, we are the first to fight and are not afraid.

          We are able to distinguish good from evil. Those who need help and those that do not.

          Jesus certainly did call out the Pharisees and the Sadducee, however not all were hypocrites. He was quite specific remember where Saint Paul came from , think about the the hated tax collectors such as Zacchaeus.

          Really you are not Jesus, yet you Judge as if you are the redeemer, the difference between you and Jesus is that He could see the inner motives of all mankind and you cannot.

          Catholics call evil when we see it, how many times must the Pope say the killing of the innocent is demonic.

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 1:30 pm

          Westman says:”Jesus was not a pacifist nor were Popes who commanded armies.”

          Popes do not command armies. The secular leaders at the time did at the request of the Pope.

          Jon John of Austria was appointed to head the Holy League at the request of the Pope.

        • Westman says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 2:09 pm

          Sorry Malcom, you are blind to the truth. Pope Francis is a pacifist, who has requested the church to be pacifist toward Islam.

          And of historical Catholicism: When a Pope requests a Catholic army to fight he IS the commander in chief even if others fight the battles for him.

          Keep dreaming. Placing one’s own or a borrowed structure for life upon the chaotic reality is the most comfortable way to experience life. I don’t blame you for doing it. Life is long and we often adjust our views with experience. Perhaps the death of a few hundred-thousand Christians is part of some eternal plan that ultimately ends Islam’s desire to destroy the Vatican? Time will be the truth-teller.

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 2:37 pm

          @ Westman

          Dear Mr Westman

          Look I am not going to give you a run down on Catholic Church structure, as I can see you are not a Catholic, however I do appreciate you asking questions and prodding in the manner you do.

          Lets put this in some logical form: No Catholic or person of logic or appreciation of history would say that Islam or Mahometanism, (which is the proper word) is truly a revealed religion by God.

          The man fashioned a religion of his own blend with Christian and Jewish elements therein.

          His moral standards were those of the lowest.

          His doctrines and the history of the movement cannot claim any divine origin.

          We have been the first in History to say this.

          So what more do you want Catholics to say,

          I have said this to many priest, I have not been excommunicated. There is no fear for any Catholic to say this.

          However this does not detract that there are good Muslims out there who are suffering.

          What I do not appreciate, is people who are not Catholic Attacking pope Francis with no evidence.

          My point here: is the problems of the West have been caused by the West. Not by Pope Francis or by the Catholic Church.

          In my youth as with many many Catholics, we have been verbally attacked about the Crusades. I have never apologized for it, and no Pope has, contrary to popular opinion.

          Now today the crusades are great, according secularist. The apology of Popes on crusades have been about the excesses.

          So if anyone in simple terms, believes that some crusaders were exceptional over the bounds of warfare, we apologize.

          All the best and go well.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 9:38 pm

          Malcolm (SouthAfria) wrote:

          Popes do not command armies.
          ………………..

          They certainly did at one time–Pope Julius II was known as the “Warrior Pope”.

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 1:26 pm

          But the Roman Catholic Church is an organization of tremendous power and prestige all over the world. With more than one billion adherents, it controls Vatican City—a separate nation within the nation of Italy. So even though it is a church, this mammoth organization is allowed to have credentialed ambassadors to the nations of the world just as if it were a normal sovereign nation as well as a church.

          Through the centuries, it has had tremendous influence upon the nations of Europe, and of Central and South America. In Europe, dozens of heads of state literally received their crowns from the pope—symbolizing their subjection to him and to the church he represented. Many national upheavals and many wars were instigated by the Vatican—an earthly power that has had no qualms about interfering or meddling in worldly politics.

          Right now—before our eyes—a final revival of the so-called “Holy Roman Empire” is taking place in Europe. Yet most people do not recognize what is happening. Most either fail to see, or refuse to admit, the dramatic impact this revival will have on their lives, and on the lives of their children and loved ones.

          The “founding fathers” of the European Union are being put forward for sainthood by faithful European Catholics; Alcide De Gasperi and Robert Schuman are well on their way toward receiving this ultimate stamp of approval from the Roman Catholic Church. As one supporter of their canonization put it, “I think that the European Union is a design not only of human beings but of God.” The very act of bestowing sainthoods on politicians is a way for supporters to suggest that European unification is God’s will, and that those who lead it govern by “divine right.”

          As noted author Adrian Hilton recently stated: “The issue of European religious union is one that has been concealed even deeper than the plans for political union, but the ratchet towards a Catholic Europe is just as real. The Church’s demand that ‘God’ be featured in the emerging European constitution has been echoed by many leading Catholic politicians and bishops. While on the surface such a reference may offend only Europe’s atheist and humanist contingent, it must be observed that when the Vatican refers to God, she sees herself as God’s infallible vice-regent upon earth, the leading organ of divine expression; indeed, according to its publication Dominus Iesus (5 September 2000), as the only mediator in the salvation of God’s elect, insisting that all other Churches, including the Church of England, ‘are not Churches in the proper sense.’

          The Roman Church is founded on a political dogma claiming that the pope is ‘supreme ruler of the world’; superior to all kings, prime ministers and presidents. These spiritual and temporal claims remain very much fundamental dogmas of Catholic teaching, permitting the pope, through the Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to issue clear directives to Catholic politicians on how they should vote. Since their obedience is considered a ‘moral duty’, devolve everything to the overwhelmingly Catholic European Council of Ministers, Commission and Parliament, so is the ultimate Caesar the Pope.

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 3:06 pm

          @ Mark Swan

          The ultimate is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Cesar is always secular leadership.

          The Pope is the Visible leader of the Church. Infallibility is a limited, to teaching.done rarely as a response to clarify.

    • Robeaver says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 7:41 pm

      Until you son is raped by a priest, that is.

      • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

        Nov 14, 2016 at 12:03 am

        I take it that yours was, if so does the Catholic Church teach that or is this a problem that Western secular society encourages,

        It is unfortunate that there are priest who agree with the values of secularism and reject those of Christ.

        • LR says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 10:41 am

          Oh, I am not going to let you get away with that slime ball excuse.

          Secular society does not encourage Catholic Priests, or anyone else to molest, or rape children.

          Many in the Catholic leadership failed countless children when they cowardly covered up the evil that was happening in their own church, thus allowing priests to continue abusing children.

          Despicable.

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 1:03 pm

          What has rape go to do with the Catholic Church. If an accountant raped a child, what has that got to do with the school of accountancy.

          It is a criminal act. However Secular society is quite open to homosexual activity ans underage sex or the watered down word would be prostitution . Which to my way of thinking is rape. The main Gay lobby groups are pressurizing Governments in the West including the USA to lower the age of consent.

          The Catholic Church is against all those activities.

          What is despicable was the post that brought up the subject and your inane response, go and educate yourself.

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 1:15 pm

          LR says
          November 14, 2016 at 10:41 am

          “Oh, I am not going to let you get away with that slime ball excuse.”

          If you defend the obvious, how better are you?

          I could give you information about the same in your country if its in the USA, however it would be wasted on you.

          http://www.massresistance.com/docs/gen/10c/Britain_consent.html

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 1:21 pm

          To LR says

          https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/lower-the-age-of-consent-to-13-why-stop-there

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 1:33 pm

          Malcolm You Live In The Rape Capital Of The World—(SouthAfria)

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 1:52 pm

          How about this LR

          https://edsource.org/2014/schools-failing-to-protect-students-from-sexual-abuse-by-school-personnel-federal-report-says/57023

          All Catholics are happy that the homosexual clique that is a plague in any organization has been exposed by the MSM and in particular has been one sided on the Catholic Church.

          However if you think this is particular to the Catholic Church you better think again.

          If you want to use this as a weapon against the Catholic Church think again.

          Secular society promotes this quite openly in Hollywood films, porn is freely available.

          All I can say that if you do not think the Western world is depraved, then you need to think again.

          The truth hurts, however your version of truth is relativity not objective truth.

          Quite frankly I am not sure if I am explaining this to an ass or not, hope something gets through.

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 2:28 pm

          Mark Swan says
          November 14, 2016 at 1:33 pm

          “Malcolm You Live In The Rape Capital Of The World—(SouthAfria)”

          If I lived in Timbuktu, and there was one rape there, It would be horrific and would not change my view that justice needs to be done.

          However it seems that you and those that think like you have a selective morality and are only offended if it done by those you detest.

          You need to grow up

    • Lynne says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 11:36 pm

      I am a catholic who no longer trusts the church.

      • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

        Nov 13, 2016 at 11:56 pm

        Lynne, if what you say is true, the Mass is the Mass, no matter what, It unfortunate that you willingly deprive yourself of the sacraments.

        Jesus cannot contradict Himself, He created One Church, there is no other Church, You can Trust in that Church.

        Just as Islam is a blend of a man so are others, save the Catholic Church.

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 1:39 pm

          Have you ever asked yourself these basic questions?

          If there is a real God and if the Bible is His inspired revelation to humanity, then we should carefully consider what the Bible clearly says about these questions! For the Bible specifically says: “Prove all things, hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21,).

          Again and again, the Bible clearly shows that most human beings are deceived. Describing the end-times, the Apostle John described the Devil in this manner: ”So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him” (Revelation 12:9).

          The more than two billion “Christians” in the major denominations are part of the “whole world” that John described—and many are deceived! These people and their preachers do not intend evil. For a deceived person does not know that he is deceived! It is important that we understand that distinction.

          So I am not being “mean” by writing the above, we are now nearing the very end of 6,000 years of human history under the influence of Satan the Devil—whom Jesus Christ called the “ruler of this world” (John 14:30).

          You truly think that the form of religion you grew up practicing is what Jesus Christ and the apostles taught. Many ministers and priests also sincerely believe the same things. You mean well.

          What you need to realize is that billions of other human beings have lived and died without ever understanding or practicing any type of professing Christianity. The majority of the world’s population has never—at any time—professed Christianity! And most of these people have also been very “sincere”—just as you may be. So it is not a matter of “sincerity” or of following the majority. It is a matter of finding the genuine Truth regarding the purpose of human existence, and finding the true way to fulfill that magnificent purpose.

          If you are willing to prove to yourself that the One great Creator is the true God and that the Bible is His inspired revelation to mankind, then you must understand that there is only one way to eternal life. And that “way” is through the true Jesus Christ of the Bible!

          This is the ‘stone which was rejected by the builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:10–12).

          Yet very few professing Christians even begin to grasp the enormity of the deception orchestrated by Satan the Devil. They find it hard to grasp the fact that Satan has not only deceived those in the pagan, non-Christian world, but that he has devised a counterfeit Christianity and has foisted it off on millions who sincerely think they are following the Christ of the Bible!

          As the Apostle Paul warned the Corinthians: For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!” (2 Corinthians 11:3–4).

          Indeed, another “Jesus”—a totally different Jesus Christ—has been palmed off on an unsuspecting humanity! Seeing the apparent similarities, people are often deceived into accepting the counterfeit. So it is with Satan, the Master Deceiver!

          The Apostle Paul was also inspired to tell us that Satan the Devil is the literal “god” of this world’s society! Paul wrote, “But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them” (2 Corinthians 4:3–4).

          Jesus condemned the religious leaders of His day for their hypocrisy. Those ecclesiastical figures made a pretense of being godly, yet refused to follow the spiritual intent of God’s law. Jesus attributed to them Satan’s own character, using the analogy that since their father was Satan, they could only behave “like father, like son.” The Devil lies and murders, so who should be surprised if the Devil’s children do the same, preaching a perverted gospel of deception and falsehood?

          As part of his conspiracy to thwart God and overthrow His great plan for mankind, Satan has his own ministers! The Apostle Paul warned Christians about the great deception caused by Satan and his ministers: “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works” (2 Corinthians 11:13–15).

          Satan’s ministers often look like and sound like what deceived people think Christ’s ministers should sound like! But they preach “another Jesus” and proclaim a “different gospel.” It is up to each individual—including you!—to genuinely study the Bible and to prove what Jesus and the early apostles taught and practiced.

          Later, the Roman Empire assimilated into its system the gods and religions of the countries over which it ruled. Since Babylon was the source of this paganism, we can easily see how Rome’s early religion was a form of Babylonish worship that had developed under different forms and different names in the countries to which it had gone. In his well-documented book, Pagan and Christian Creeds, Edward Carpenter wrote: “The similarity of ancient pagan legends and beliefs with Christian traditions was so great that they excited the attention and undisguised wrath of the early Christian… not knowing how to explain it, they fell back to the theory the devil, centuries before, caused the pagans to adopt certain beliefs and practices” (p. 25).

          Carpenter also quoted Tertullian, an early “church father” living between 160–220ad, as saying: “The devil, by the mysteries of his idols, imitates even the main part of the divine mysteries” (ibid.).

          Since the practices of today’s churches are not the same as the early true church recorded in the New Testament, it is vital to know whether there has been a purposeful mixing of false pagan practices with the true teachings of Christ, the apostles and the Bible. Many historians, such as Edward Gibbon, have noted the change brought about by great numbers of pagans flocking into the early Christian Church and mixing their pagan customs and beliefs with those of the Church (see Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 1, chapter 15).

          Notice how today’s churches have sprung from the same root as paganism! Satan has created an entire system of “counterfeit Christianity.” He has cleverly guided vain religious leaders to introduce completely pagan ideas, concepts and practices into “Christianity.” Since the word “Christianity” is stamped on the outside of the package, most people assume that the religion of Jesus Christ is being offered. Little do they realize that totally false concepts of God, of Jesus Christ and His message, of the purpose of eternal life and of the way to eternal life—have been wrapped up in a package called “Christianity.” But theirs is a “counterfeit” Christianity that has cut most of mankind off from the true God, and has caused enormous confusion, suffering and death!

          Note these excerpts from Pagan and Christian Creeds: “The Christian Church has kept itself severely apart from discussion of heathenism, taking the stand that it, the church, represents a unique and divine revelation and has persuaded mankind of this to such a degree that few people nowadays realize that it has sprung from just the same root as paganism and that it shares by far the most part of its doctrines and rites with the latter” (Carpenter, pp. 11–12).

          “The common idea is that the pagan gods fled away at Christ’s coming, yet it is well known to every student that this is contrary to fact. At the time of the recorded appearance of Jesus, and for some centuries before, there were temples without and dedicated to Apollo or Dionysius among the Greeks, or Hercules among the Romans, Mithra among the Persian, Baal and Astarte among the Babylonians, and temples dedicated to many other gods.

          Carpenter goes on to write: “The idea of God sacrificing His Son for the salvation of the world is so remote and remarkable—yet it ranges through all ancient religion and back to the earliest times and is embodied in their rituals” (ibid., p. 133). These unusual customs were so similar to the truth that they strongly suggest there must have been some guiding force behind them. A counterfeit Christianity was being created by the invisible “god” of this age whom Jesus Christ called the “father” of lies (John 8:44).

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 2:10 pm

          Mark Swan, though I cannot verify its authenticity, you might find the following short video to be of great interest:

          https://www.facebook.com/drake.kanaabo/videos/1154259891331901/

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 3:28 pm

          Jesus did prove Himself, His works were witnessed by thousands, Those who witnessed these events were quite happy to be put to death, St John was the only apostle to escape martyrdom.

          The early Church from penticost is well documented, The Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches that were established by Apostles essentially worship in the same manner and proclaim the same Gospel as was preached or taught by Jesus.

          The Protestant community has veered towards secular beliefs.As what marriage is, a small example.

          The End of the world has little influence as no one knows when except the Son.

          The Christian call, is to live the life we are called to live, as if our individual world could end any second.

          My apologies to you Mark Swan, and I take it back.

          Go well

        • Malcolm (SouthAfria) says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 3:44 pm

          Just on the Marriage issue, this is how we deal with it in the Catholic Church.

          If you think that the a Pope cannot be challenged you might find this interesting.

          http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/full-text-and-explanatory-notes-of-cardinals-questions-on-amoris-laetitia

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 7:25 pm

          Cecilia Ellis Can You please just tell me about what is in the video, this machine, is unable
          to open it. I am interested in what You bring to my attention.

          Thank You

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 8:33 pm

          Mark Swan, you probably were unable to view the video because it was a Facebook link. I searched YouTube for the video and found it in a much longer version. The video, which was taken in Jerusalem on October 10, 2016, records the video and audio of a sky ring cloud from which the sounds of trumpets can be heard. There have been numerous reports of this phenomena and others similar to it worldwide.

          I believe you will be able to view the video at the following YouTube link:

          “Strange phenomena with cloud ring and trumpets over Jerusalem.”

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EY88I8EepjE

          The latter part of the video is addressed in Russian. The lady speaks of the shofar and Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year), which this year commenced on the eve of October 2.

          Hope you like it.

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 8:38 pm

          Malcolm, You do seem to be sincere, so I will say this much.

          “The End of the world has little influence as no one knows when except the Son.”

          The world will not end, the age of Man and Satan’s rule will, and only the Father
          knows when Christ will return to end it and put in place a Literal World Ruling
          Government that will bring peace and joy to this earth.

          Jesus warned that those living at the end of the age should “watch” for world events
          that line up with Bible prophecies so they are not taken by surprise when He returns
          to establish the Kingdom of God (Matthew 24:42-44).

          Jesus Christ gave a series of signs that must occur before He returns. Evidently,
          the fulfillment of Christ’s prophecy would happen within the lifetime of one particular generation—once the signs relative to that specific prophecy begin. So Christ is coming
          back to this earth, but not right away. Not until these signs have occurred! The signs listed
          in Jesus’ words must occur first.

          Mankind will suffer through the most devastating, bloody war in human history—called,
          in biblical terminology, the “Great Tribulation.” “For then there will be great tribulation,
          such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
          And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved [alive]; but for the elect’s
          sake [for the sake of God’s repentant, obedient people] those days will be shortened”
          (Matthew 24:21–22).

          The Gospel of Matthew contains Jesus’ prophecy to His disciples about the state of the
          world just prior to His Second Coming. “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
          See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

          For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (Matthew 24:6–7).
          While humanity has lived with warfare over the millennia, our time in history is
          unprecedented because of the massive annihilative potential of modern weapons
          and the massive global scale of potential conflict.

          Verse 22 is a prophetic qualifier that only points to our time of high technology and its
          awful, brilliantly evil weapons of mass destruction. “And unless those days were shortened
          [the time of world war using these new weapons], no flesh would be saved [human extinction];
          but for the elect’s [God’s repentant, obedient saints] sake those days will be shortened.”

          We are here because God is reproducing, that is the all importance of Human existence, everything of necessity was done for our existence. What is God’s story, He limits us to what He is doing with us. He does say he has done everything by knowledge, He is the master scientist. I continually use the term Him, when in fact They is more appropriate, for now, there are two. The Father, and the Son, the One that emptied Himself and was born as a Human. They have plans for a large family, thus the tremendous universe, which is still expanding as I write this.

          When God the Father draws a human to Him, it is Christ who judges that Human, they both join their minds with that Human, through the power called the Holy Spirit, the very power used to do all the things found in the entire universe, it is beyond speculation, and our view is limited to the results it brings about. Christ is the One who judges, and logically so, He lived as a Human, and was tempted, just as we are, but did not sin. Sin is the breaking of God’s law. The penalty for this is death. It would take a perfect being to pay that penalty. They knew before they made humans this would be the way.

          Humans like Adam, would choose to teach themselves. All Humans would have chose this, and they knew. So to make it possible for Humans to be forgiven sin, there is why Christ had to be beat unmercifully to heal us of physical sin, and He had to die to heal us of spiritual sin.

          For now they are allowing humans time for experimenting with everything, Religion, Government, Education, and everything else. That time is nearly up. The time of Man and Satan’s rule will end. Man will be on the verge of destroying all live on earth, if God did not intervene all life would be destroyed. At that point Christ will return to this earth.

          Just like now nearly all Humans who ever lived were not taught by God, they will remain asleep (dead). At Christ’s return the ones who were taught and remained faithful until they died, will be resurrected, along with those who were still alive who have been taught and remained faithful, all these will be changed into Spirit Beings, just like God, these real Children will be added to the number with Christ the first born. He will remain their Lord and King.

          All the Humans still alive will now be taught by God, during a thousand year period, Humans will still be born and die, they will be taught, with Satan taken away. At the end of the thousand year period, all those that lived and died before the thousand year period, that were not taught yet, will be resurrected, and taught.

          After this the teaching will be completed, then comes the judgment, of all who learned the truth of God and rejected it. Then no more Humans.

          All those who loved the truth, and remained faithful to it, are now spirit Beings, they will then be in God’s Family, a large and very God Family.

          Those who are being taught now, should take everything God wants, to heart, now.

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 9:29 pm

          Cecilia Ellis—that is quite a phenomena, yet, it is just that, I do know there is a Great Moon tonight.

          “Earthlings are about to be treated the biggest and brightest full moon of the year — and this so-called supermoon will be extra special. It will be the closest the moon has come to us in almost 69 years. And the full moon won’t come this close again until 2034.”

          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/supermoon-in-november-will-be-closest-in-decades/

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 10:08 pm

          Agree, Mark, but I found it to be quite an interesting phenomena. The super moon is also beautiful!

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 10:33 pm

          And of course, Mark and Cecilia, this is the result of Infidel science.

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 14, 2016 at 11:49 pm

          Hi gravenimage have you peeked at that Moon, Cecilia Ellis is right it is beautiful.

          Take care Cecilia Ellis and gravenimage, the Coyotes are howling out here, I love
          that sound.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 12:12 am

          Mark Swan, I am so glad that you identified that as “the Coyotes are howling out here” . . . for a moment, I thought it was my Texas Aggie neighbors.

          Take care, my friend.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 12:16 am

          I have, Mark! Even here in the middle of the city the moon is *huge* and so bright, and appears to have a tight double halo tonight.

          There is so much beauty in the world–that some choose to spend their lives spreading ugliness and brutality is just appalling–that this is an organized creed of evil is even worse.

          Celebrating beauty and goodness, I’ve always believed, is another way of fighting this evil.

          You mention coyotes–are you in the American southwest. Mark? We have coyotes here in the Bay Area, as well–but usually lone individuals or pairs, and not full packs.

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 7:11 am

          Cecilia Ellis, I put the house right in the middle of a large piece of land, have a
          open flat roof on it to walk around and look at the night sky, the Coyotes are
          music added to all this.

          Take care, my friend.

        • Mark Swan says

          Nov 15, 2016 at 7:34 am

          gravenimage, Yes the SouthWest, and where ever we live, we get to see the
          great Moon, and have Coyotes for neighbors. You are so right about the
          goodness and beauty—absolutely. God agrees with You.

          Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. (Philippians 4:8)

          Take care, my friend.

  14. SLM says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    Finally we hear of a Catholic cleric with a brain about Islam — and a very pithy one — we propose, they impose.

  15. gravenimage says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    Vatican cardinal: Pope Benedict’s Regensburg address was ‘prophetic’
    ………………………..

    Kudos to Cardinal Tauran for speaking the truth. Just hope it is not too late.

  16. SLM says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    I believe the author of the new Politically Incorrect Guide to Jihad, Kilpatrick, is Catholic. I’ve read the book, and it is outstanding, everyone should check it out.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 9:43 pm

      Thanks.

  17. eduardo odraude says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    accidentally tried to post as “SLM” — now those comments are “awaiting moderation”

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 2:37 pm

      Yes–I accidentally posted as “lgravenimage” recently.

  18. Gene says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 2:04 pm

    “Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached…”

    It’s been 600 years since Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus wrote those words and we are still waiting for Muslims to prove him wrong.

  19. Angemon says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    A brave statement by Cardinal Tauran. As George Orwell put it, The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it”.

  20. jewdog says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    Excellent observation: “we propose, they impose”. It says it all. Thank you, Mr. Cardinal.

  21. Jan Aage Jeppesen says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    In his Regensburg lecture pope Benedict laid out the traditional and negative catholic view of Islam. In contrast to the evangelical Lutheran churches, the Catholic Church does not designate Islam and Muslims as Christian heretics, but as an independent monotheistic universalistic religion of low morality.

    What pope Benedict said in Regensburg is fully in line with the view of Islam expressed in an article about Islam in Catholic Encyclopedia from 1917:

    “Morals

    It is hardly necessary here to emphasize the fact that the ethics of Islam are far inferior to those of Judaism and even more inferior to those of the New Testament. …

    That in the ethics of Islam there is a great deal to admire and to approve, is beyond dispute; but of originality or superiority, there is none. What is really good in Mohammedan ethics is either commonplace or borrowed from some other religions, whereas what is characteristic is nearly always imperfect or wicked. …”

    To call Islam a religion of peace goes against all previous catholic dogma and can only be seen as a bad joke both by believers in Christianity and non-believers.

    • Larry says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

      What a lot of people missed about Pope Benedict is that he was a Dominican and a comparative theologian, and his area of study and expertise was islam.

      In other words, he was one of the Catholic Church’s leading experts on the subject. And of course he was also one who had had direct experience of mass murdering totalitarian ideologies in his own life.

    • J-pal says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 5:45 am

      To be an “An Antichrist” (and they are many as the grammar presents it all to us by the difference between a/an and the) requires “The Christ” – first!

      Islam is an “Antichrist” – without “The Original” they cannot even exist.

      I think the issue is not ethics, or morals, or “religion” at all… Copycats wants to be “cats” – but, unfortunately, they can’t. No matter what disguise, the cord of the quran is still a lot of copying from already existing and common thought: They didn’t come up with anything new, why they had to make use of everything old to create their political claim… Even “The Devil” was created, wasn’t ‘he’?

  22. Mirren10 says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    ”That in the ethics of Islam there is a great deal to admire and to approve, is beyond dispute; ”

    Well, I dispute it. Does the Catholic Encyclopaedia 1917 give any examples of admirable islamic ethics ?

    • Mark Swan says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 7:09 pm

      Even if it tried to give some examples, I would dispute it—I agree with You Mirren10— admirable islamic ethics ?

    • Jan Aage Jeppesen says

      Nov 12, 2016 at 7:12 pm

      I agree. But the article mention some admirable aspects of Islamic ethics:

      “The principal sins forbidden by Mohammed are idolatry and apostasy, adultery, false witness against a brother Moslem, games of chance, the drinking of wine or other intoxicants, usury, and divination by arrows.

      Brotherly love is confined in Islam to Mohammedans. Any form of idolatry or apostasy is severely punished in Islam, but the violation of any of the other ordinances is generally allowed to go unpunished, unless it seriously conflicts with the social welfare or the political order of the State.

      Among other prohibitions mention must be made of the eating of blood, of swine’s flesh, of whatever dies of itself, or is slain in honour of any idol, or is strangled, or killed by a blow, or a fall, or by another beast. In case of dire necessity, however, these restrictions may be dispensed with.

      Infanticide, extensively practiced by the pre-Islamic Arabs, is strictly forbidden by Mohammed, as is also the sacrificing of children to idols in fulfilment of vows, etc. The crime of infanticide commonly took the form of burying newborn females, lest the parents should be reduced to poverty by providing for them, or else that they might avoid the sorrow and disgrace which would follow, if their daughters should be made captives or become scandalous by their behaviour.

      • Mirren10 says

        Nov 12, 2016 at 7:21 pm

        “The principal sins forbidden by Mohammed are idolatry and apostasy, adultery, false witness against a brother Moslem, games of chance, the drinking of wine or other intoxicants, usury, and divination by arrows.”

        A list of sins to be avoided isn’t ethics. islam is the only major religion which has no general Golden Rule.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 13, 2016 at 10:33 pm

          *Very* true, Mirren.

  23. Jerry says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    Just a minor difference in spelling:

    We pray.

    They prey.

    • ECAW says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 7:27 am

      That’s good!

  24. Matthieu Baudin says

    Nov 12, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    Benedict’s contribution was timely, something that we can hold onto in these dark times.

  25. nicholas tesdorf says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 2:55 am

    When I first read the words of Pope Benedict citing the 14th-century Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus about Islam, I was rather puzzled, but, now after a year of following Robert Spencer and David Wood, all has become clear.: Congratulations to Cardinal Tauran for proclaiming the truth. I hope that Pope Francis understands this now and agrees.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 10:36 pm

      Alas, I don’t think Francis has a clue.

    • Charli Main says

      Nov 14, 2016 at 3:13 am

      Pope Francis is a false shepherd, leading his sheep into the jaws of ravening Muslim wolves.

  26. Paleologos says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 5:23 am

    Pope Francis … a dangerous idiot.

    Pope Benedict XVI … the brilliant and brave Pope who defied the evil we all know as islam.

    Nuff said 🙂

    R/

    Paleologos

  27. duh swami says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 6:40 am

    I have no respect for the ego ridden, holier than thou clowns that dress in costume and parade around
    pretending importance…

    • J-pal says

      Nov 13, 2016 at 8:13 am

      …I tend to agree…Read Dostoyevsky and you will find the line “…I am not here because I am better than you are…” as a standard for being a Priest, a Human being… But, sometimes “a clown” – wavering from one side to another, suddenly has to admit the Truth… Listen carefully! Remember also that islam will kill all clowns, within their frames, and outside their frames – the Clown can be a potential threat to “the truth”…

  28. eduardo odraude says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 10:17 am

    Let’s hope he is elected the next pope.

  29. Carolyne says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 10:32 am

    I am not a Catholic and certainly am not an expert on the subject of Popes. It seems to me that Pope Benedict (The latest one, whatever number) was deposed because of his expertise of Islam and his courage to speak it. At least they didn’t do away with him as it is rumored they did with John Paul I.

    • Rob says

      Nov 14, 2016 at 2:32 am

      “…Pope Benedict was deposed because of his expertise of Islam and his courage to speak it..”

      I think you’ll find that he was being exposed for his tolerance of priestly sexual predation; and for his protection from the prosecution of Boston’s cardinal Bernard Law.

      There’s also some evidence of his sympathy for- and collusion with the Nazis.

      And he wasn’t “deposed” – he “resigned” – as things got a bit too hot for the Vatican media to handle.

  30. Shariafarts says

    Nov 13, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    The pope is a very dangerous man and part of the New World Order evil plan. His evilness is polluting the minds of the young by preaching that islam is like Christianity. Why doesn’t he take that wall of his down around the vatican or is all the death and destruction only meant for his followers.

  31. Unknown says

    Nov 15, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    I’m just curious about something: does cardinals take off Pope Francis of power?If so can Pope Benedict be in power again (because he is still considered Pope, therefore, there are two Popes) or if Pope Francis is impeached will they do another election? I mean, he obviously doesn’t represent the Catholic Church (I’m not even catholic and I know that). He is a traitor to Western civilization and its values.

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