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Hungary’s Orban to Merkel: “We won’t pay for your error”

Dec 16, 2016 4:10 pm By Christine Douglass-Williams

As EU leaders convened in Brussels, Hungarian leader Viktor Orban angrily lashed out at Angela Merkel because of her lax immigration policies that have created such a crisis in her country. Orban warned that the Muslim migrant crime problem in Germany would spill over into neighbouring countries:

The Germans and other countries who made the mistake of letting these people into the EU are now trying to share them out, so every country also inherits their problem.”

Even Merkel finally admitted to the problem with Muslim migrants, a problem that she caused, when she finally woke up to the personal cost to her politically. It’s a shame that while thousands of German citizens were being attacked and molested, she was still saying to Germans “we can do this.”

Back in July, Orban stirred controversy when he “described the arrival of asylum seekers in Europe as ‘a poison’, saying his country did not want or need ‘a single migrant.'”

Meanwhile, Sweden, a country battered by Muslim migrant crime and no-go zones, has been “backing Italy’s demands Brussels cut funds to states who do not take their fair share of asylum-seekers.”

“‘We won’t pay for YOUR error’ Fuming Orban shatters EU unity with migrant attack on Merkel,” by Nick Guyteridge and Agnes Kegl, Express, December 15, 2016:

The hard-line prime minister accused Germany of trying to pass the buck for its “mistake” letting in so many people by sending them to other countries under an EU quota scheme.

He launched into a vicious tirade as he arrived in Brussels for a meeting of the EU Council this morning, vowing once again that Hungary will not accept the controversial policy.

The get together of the 28 European heads of Government is expected to be dominated by the humanitarian crisis in Aleppo and the possibility of further sanctions against Russia.

But Mr Orban was more keen to talk about the issue of migration, claiming that the majority of arrivals in Europe are “economic migrants” and not genuine refugees.

He blasted: “We are still fighting over the mandatory migrant quotas. The Hungarians don’t want what the Germans, or to be precise, Angela Merkel demands.

“The Germans and other countries who made the mistake of letting these people into the EU are now trying to share them out, so every country also inherits their problem. Hungary doesn’t like this approach.”

Mr Orban also set himself on the warpath with eurocrats by vowing to do everything in his power to block the scheme, which 98 per cent of Hungarians who voted rejected in a national referendum earlier this year…..

The leader of the tiny Baltic [sic] state expressed sympathy for Theresa May’s attempts to negotiate a sensible deal with Brussels, and said her country would use its influence to press for constructive talks.

Several, including Greece’s Alexis Tsipras and Belgium’s Charles Michel, answered questions on the day’s other agenda items but conspiciously [sic] fled the cameras when the thorny subject of Britain was raised.

And others stuck rigidly to the European Union’s official policy that there can be “no negotiation without notification”, reiterating their calls for Mrs May to trigger Article 50 as soon as possible.

Finnish PM Juha Sipla would only say: “We will start in the end of March that’s for sure.”

And Luxembourg’s Xavier Bettel tetchily answered: “I think that we are still waiting for Article 50 to be triggered by the British government. This has to happen for us to start the negotiations. We will not negotiate before. These are the conditions that must be respected.”

Outgoing EU Parliament chief Martin Schulz told reporters: “I hope that the Article 50 will be triggered as soon as possible, as the earlier the easier it is for me to answer your questions.”

And EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini instantly shut down all questions on the subject, sighing: “That’s not foreign policy yet.”

Leaders of the 28 EU member states will discuss a variety of issues at today’s meeting including the situation in Syria and the possibility of further sanctions against Russia, the ongoing response to the migrant crisis and the drive to create a European army.

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  1. miriamrove says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    Good for him and Hungry. M

    • Bob says

      Dec 17, 2016 at 5:31 am

      The ‘open doors’ immigration policy was one of the main reasons for the British going for leaving the EU! And now the ‘lefties’ are trying to overturn the vote. So much for democracy!

      • Jake says

        Dec 18, 2016 at 6:02 am

        Lefty politics are NOT about democracy or rule of law but are instead about rule of them. These creatures are the authors of the gulag and the concentration camp. The EU is just another version of the Soviet Union “lite”. If civilization is to be preserved, they must be defeated, along with their Islamic allies.

  2. Cynthia in California says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    Read the article, but was something left out? Hungary is NOT a “tiny Baltic state.” That might be Estonia, whose residents speak a language related to Hungarian, but Hungary is in Central Europe and is not “tiny.”

    ???

    • Marianne says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 4:31 pm

      I kept reading that sentence and went Huh? Hungary is a large country and once was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire prior to WWI. They are definitely not Baltic. Who was the idiotic writing this article? They also failed to identify who Theresa May is, the new British Prime Minister.and negotiations to get out of the EU. Hungary should consider the same.

    • Wojciech Nowiński says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 4:50 pm

      And is far from Baltic (Sea) 🙂

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 5:32 pm

      Cynthia, part of the article must be missing–note the ellipsis preceding the passage, to indicate that some text has been excised. The existing paragraph reads:

      “The leader of the tiny Baltic state expressed sympathy for Theresa May’s attempts to negotiate a sensible deal with Brussels, and said her country would use its influence to press for constructive talks.”

      *Her* country–so this is not a reference to Orban, nor to Hungary.

      Sure enough–I Googled the original article in the Express, and found this:

      Elsewhere as EU leaders arrived for the summit this morning Lithuania’s leader swatted aside the suggestion that it could take at least a decade to negotiate a Brexit trade deal with Britain.

      The country’s president failed to hide her scepticisim when presented with the claim, which was made by the UK’s ambassador in Brussels.

      A visibly stunned Dalia Grybauskaite gasped: “Ten years? I hope it will be a lot less!”

      The leader of the tiny Baltic state expressed sympathy for Theresa May’s attempts to negotiate a sensible deal with Brussels, and said her country would use its influence to press for constructive talks.

      http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/743832/European-Union-EU-leaders-Brussels-Brexit-Syria-defence-Russia-sanctions

      Lithuania is indeed a tiny Baltic state, and has a female representative.

      Hope this helped.

      • Cynthia in California says

        Dec 16, 2016 at 8:15 pm

        Thank you so much, gravenimage. This, at least, makes sense and reads logically.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 16, 2016 at 8:28 pm

          🙂

    • Jon Sobieski says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 10:01 pm

      A sentence (new paragraph) that discusses the Lithuanian prime minister was dropped out. From that point the article was talking about Brexit, and the Lithuanian prime minister expressed sympathy for Britain.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 17, 2016 at 11:18 pm

        True.

  3. Guest says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    Express uses words like “vicious tirade”, “He blasted”, “warpath” etc. to influence readers. The strange thing is that surely by now Express knows that its readers agree with Orban. Such as this good comment: “Fuming? Furious? What on Earth are you talking about?

    All I can see a resolute man who said ‘nein’ (no in German) in no uncertain terms.”

    Indeed, he comes across as a good, resolute and strong leader.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 5:35 pm

      Good points, Guest. The article was written to give the impression that anyone who doesn’t want his nation to be overrun by Muslim rapists is a some sort of foaming-at-the-mouth extremist. Grotesque.

    • Cynthia in California says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 8:18 pm

      Doch, Orban scheint wie ein gutes Mensch aus. (Definitely; Orban appears to be a good guy.)

      • Guest says

        Dec 16, 2016 at 8:40 pm

        Orban scheint ein guter Mensch zu sein.

  4. Julia says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    Viktor Oban appears to be the only head of a state that hasn’t fallen for the economic migrants who are creating havoc in those countries which have stupidly taken them without vetting or preparing their country men and women for the chaos these people have created. Now that Britain has also welcomed them in droves. that country has also sold out its citizens and now are battling the arrival of Sharia law, raping and bullying their women and children, Hungary appears to be the only country to take a firm and reasonable decision.

    • Cynthia in California says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 8:19 pm

      He’s not the *only* one, thank heavens.

      The other members of the Visegrad 4 (Slovakia, Czechia, Poland) also feel this way. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegr%C3%A1d_Group for more info on the Visegrad 4.

      • Rob says

        Dec 17, 2016 at 9:16 am

        “…other members of the Visegrad 4 (Slovakia, Czechia, Poland) also feel this way…”

        It should be instructive to observers that these states know what it’s like to live in a totalitarian state. They suffered under the Soviet boot for so long that they can’t fail so see the creeping Shariah’s approach – and they won’t go there again…

        Sadly for the rest of Europe, it’s the very states which fought totalitarianism early and stayed “free” which are now – due to their ignorance and tolerance; unable to recognise the Islamic ideology hiding under its religious guise right in their midst.

        The incessant charges of “racism” and “Islamophobia” have been very effective in keeping these over-sensitive governments off-guard, while Islamic concepts have been inserted very surreptitiously into organisations like Amnesty and the UN, to the point where they’re completely taken over now by the “Religion Of Peace”; and still few recognise this.

        The travesty of Geert Wilders’ verdict is a sign that the most free society in the world is now almost completely under the Islamic boot.

        Merkel has let the barbarians in the gates; and expects the rest of the EU to carry her idiotic burden.

        Widespread civil war is now inevitable. There is a chance, though, that the various militaries are aware of what’s happening; and like those in Egypt, they’ll be at the forefront of the rebellion.

        We can only hope so, but those who can, should be rallying the army to get on board, so that bloodshed is minimised by starting early, identifying the culprits and the really dangerous figures; and sending them to where they want to be – with Allah, their 72 virgins; and the real surprise – their 72 mothers-in-law…

      • DFD says

        Dec 17, 2016 at 4:35 pm

        To Cynthia in California & Rob:
        ========================

        Hi, The wiki description of the Visigrad 4 (WestTown 4) is reasonable. The Visigraders will grow, or expand, they have to. The reasons are as follows, disillusionment with the EU/Brussels. At the moment many of the citizens of those countries still believe in a united Europe, not a bad idea. But Brussels is not about uniting people, but levelling the various European cultures and identities. Once that sinks in, the perceptions within the 4 will change, and not only there, but other European countries as well. Primarily the Balkans, and to a lesser extent the Baltics.

        Germany will tend towards these, and so, in all probability will Finland, and perhaps Sweden too. In Germany that process is well on its way.

        The EU as it is will either be torn apart, or severely damaged and changed. Various factors, apart from the Hijrian/Muslim problem. Soros and Co. will keep on hammering at it. Thus there will be two EU’s, or whatever you wish to call these, one will be distinctly Byzantine, the other western European, i.e., France, Spain etc. In many ways, these may co-operate, and in many others they will oppose each other. For both of these factions, Germany with its industrial output and large population base, is a ‘must-have’.

        Rob mentioned civil wars, a subject I am writing about, and it wont be restricted to Erurope, the US will be affected as well, and also some Asian areas, primarily India.

        It is most doubtful that any European army, except perhaps Greece and possibly Romania, will launch a coup de etat. A situation as in Egypt, a threatening catastrophe due to the Muslim Brotherhood, does not exist in Europe.

        It will require massive Muslim atrocities, or simply that the non-leftwing Europeans, i.e., Nazis, bigots, racists, imperialists, Islamophobes and so on, and so on, will simply have enough. Though, that does not rule out the possibility of organized false flag operations by various officers to trigger the required condition….

        was interesting to read what you said.

  5. Eric Jones says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    The people of Britain should go in the streets and demand that Theresa May invoke Article 50. There should not be an EU army. They will only put the Juhadi’s in it. Hungary is taking the correct position.

    Eric

    • Jon Sobieski says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 10:06 pm

      I agree. Article 50 now. If they had a Trump in Britain, it would have already been declared.

    • A Harris USA says

      Dec 17, 2016 at 12:09 pm

      Eric, Good for this man in Hungary, he has been a steady voice to keep the Muslim invasion OUT of his nation.. The one smart man in Europe. I am going to say this again, if you want to visit Europe, visit and spend your money, and see Hungary. Beautiful, safe, and great food, and a vision of OLD Europe.. Enjoy, and put your money where your mouth is.. Support Hungary!

      • Carolyne says

        Dec 17, 2016 at 1:37 pm

        I usually go to England for a week or two a couple of times a year. But this year, it will be Hungary. I’m through with the UK. London is overrun with these barbarians. The entire West End is taken over by them and I understand the area around the Tower is infested.

        • DFD says

          Dec 17, 2016 at 4:08 pm

          I escaped from London over 30 years ago. Live now in rural England (still) peaceful here – for the time being.

  6. Lynne says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    Another brave and moral man who just wants to save his people. Europe needs more like him and Geert Wilders and Tommy Robinson.

  7. gravenimage says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    Hungary’s Orban to Merkel: “We won’t pay for your error”
    …………………..

    Finally, a European leader who wants to keep his people safe.

    • Angemon says

      Dec 16, 2016 at 5:37 pm

      The Austrian government refused to take in “economic migrants”, set quotas for the “refugees” they would take, closed its borders and helped to shut down the Balkan route. In the end, Austria is suffering thanks to the blindness of the German government and its “open borders” policies.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 16, 2016 at 8:30 pm

        True, Angemon. As both you and Cynthia note, there *are* others–and I am glad of it.

      • DFD says

        Dec 17, 2016 at 4:37 pm

        As Friedman said: “You can have a country with high social services, you can also have a country with open borders – but not both!”

  8. Westman says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    “,.the drive to create a European army.” Good luck with that. Europeans have become anti-patriotic and self-centered (1.58 child per family in the EU) in regards to their own countries while under the protection of NATO. Exactly how is there going to be pariotism for the EU?

    We are making the same mistakes in the US. Our leftist BDS students have no patriotism or any belief that the security of the US will be paid by any of their time or effort. Like selfish children they expect their safety to be secured by OPL – Other People’s Lives.

    To secure a future for the US we need mandatory Miltary or beneficial service to NGO’s, such as the Peace Corps, for two years to provide boy-to-man, girl-to-woman right-of-passage experience so they have an investment in their nation – with absolutely no educational deferments. Deferments only allowed for health or disability.

  9. Michael Copeland says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    Viktor Orban is right. Merkel’s single-handed waiving of EU rules in opening Germany’s borders and not insisting on asylum-in-the-first-country-of entry was unlawful. The Chancellor is not empowered to do that. No other state should be obliged to endorse her illegality.

  10. Lea Buschesa says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Every European Country needs a leader like Viktor Urban! Merkel’s “we can do it” should be the titled “the stupidest sentence of the year”…
    I’m a normal woman who never studied languages, and sure I’m not a politician, but long before Merkel’s “outing” I have known what would happen in Europe! Muslims gone make babies just like rabbit’s do, and in a few years Europe will become a Muslimstate, without place for other religion’s. To keep OUR Europe like before we need more Viktor Urbans, and more Geert Wilders! It is not anymore a question of “racisme” or “being right”, those sayings are out, and replaced by only one word “fright” for what will be the future in the European countries……

  11. Wellington says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    Orban is Putin without Putin’s cynical, nefarious and stupid anti-Western sides (and yes, Putin has a stupid side to him, be of no doubt here, since the man has no understanding of the importance of liberty). In brief, Orban possesses Putin’s attributes without his defects.

    Such persons are needed throughout the West today. Big time. Way overdue. NECESSARY if the West is to be preserved as the civilization which pioneered liberty as no other civilization ever has (sorry, Russia, you don’t qualify here——you have a great tradition in courage and intellectual and artistic achievement but where freedom is concerned you are a miserable failure).

    Silly Western multiculturalists (what other kind are there?) and their ilk will never get this unless they cease being who they are, much as a Muslim will never become fully human unless they give up the totalitarian ghost of Islam completely and cease making excuses for said spiritual fascism. Ditto for Neo-Nazis, Marxists, KKK members, anarchists, Aryan Nation groupies, moronic Western leftists——-it’s unfortunately a long list. Wish it weren’t but wishin’ ain’t gettin’.

    • Keys says

      Dec 17, 2016 at 5:00 pm

      Yes. The more multicultural a country is, the less culture of its own; a purely multicultural country has no culture of its own, seems to me.

      Preserving cultural traditions within the culture of a country should be no problem, as long as one is also a significant part of the culture of the country where one lives.

      Kind of like the country with no borders is not a country.

    • DFD says

      Dec 17, 2016 at 5:07 pm

      Wellington,

      Hi, I read with great interest what you said, as always. I am currently writing on the civil wars developing, and am at a section which will be titled: ‘The rise of the Führers’. Of the good ones there’s Orban Victor, (and it’s Orban Victor, not Victor Orban) as practically the most suitable candidate. Hard on his heels is Tatjana Festerling. Orban has however three problems, 1) he is a leader of a nation, 2) Jobbik in Hungary, 3) Does he have what it takes? Namely the harsh measure to throw nearly all of them out. I doubt it. Tatjana? OK, she would and she is also very European minded, then German. Passionate and well educated, but an unknown, by and large. These are the good choices, next ones up is LePen, dubious at best, in my opinion. Wilders? Hmh, that gentleman is a *nationalist* and a *socialist*, makes me feel very uncomfortable. Last one in Europe, Nick Griffin, former BNP. Then it gets very, shall we say, different? Finally, there’s Vladimir Putin, he has what it takes, only problem is, he’s fiercely nationalistic.

      The others who are waiting in the wings or could rise? Whhhooooo….

      State side: Trump could morph into a Führer, but can he overcome all internal resistance, the Euro-Americans are well into minority status, and are not unified. Further, even if you count in those of African or Mexican origin who are fully assimilated, and they ought to be counted in, unless one is a racist indeed; even then the numbers are not in our favour, whilst the question arises if Trump has what it takes. The only other one in the US who’d actually want to be a Führer would be David Duke, not very acceptable, is he? His concern is Israel and the Palestinians. Given his ferocity and never ending efforts in reference thereto, raises the question of who is financing him.

      PS: In case you wondered why I used the term ‘Führer’. For a good reason, the longer all this goes on, the more the people will want one. They will want a leader who will solve the problem in one go, no matter what. And believe me, the cauldron in Europe is close to boiling over.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Dec 17, 2016 at 6:43 pm

        In English, it’s Victor Orban. Hungarians however say the family name first, hence in Hungarian he is called Orban Victor.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Dec 17, 2016 at 6:56 pm

        You say “the longer this goes on, the more the people will want [a Führer].” Only a very tiny minority of people want someone in Hitler’s mold. I suppose you did not mean to suggest “the people” are coming closer and closer to seeking a Hitler, but if that’s not what you meant, then your use of the term “Führer” is not the best way to convey your meaning. You also hint that Geert Wilders might be someone in the mold of Hitler, when you express your discomfort with someone who is both a nationalist and a socialist. This innuendo about Wilders strikes me is incredibly wrong-headed. I don’t think he is remotely like Hitler, nor do I think he is remotely even a fascist, and I have never before heard that he is a socialist, indeed, I believe he is a pretty strong supporter of free enterprise. Every indication I have seen is that he wants to work entirely through the democratic process and the law. His whole objection to Islam is precisely the threat it represents to civil and political rights as the West has come to understand them.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 17, 2016 at 7:03 pm

          And just how did you imagine Trump “morphing into a Führer”? You make it sound as though he can just take over the U.S. whenever the spirit moves him. Just how is Trump going to get dictatorial control of the Senate, the House of Representatives, the judicial system, the press, the Democratic Party, and all the branches of the armed forces?

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 17, 2016 at 11:54 pm

          Certainly, Geert Wilders is no “Führer”–certainly not in the negative way we use the word in the US due to its association with Hitler. Perhaps DFD just means leader–in which case, I agree.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 18, 2016 at 12:42 am

          He seems to mean a sort of quasi-fascist or a fascist — but not specifically a Hitler. If DFD were German, or writing in German, maybe it would make sense to use the word “Führer” merely to mean leader, since apparently that’s often all the word means in German. But in the English language the word “Führer” is uniquely associated with Hitler, and many English speakers who know that the word refers to Hitler do not know what the word means in German.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 6:22 pm

          Eduardo, I believe that DFD *is* German.

      • DFD says

        Dec 18, 2016 at 2:21 pm

        Graven, primarily, Eduardo secondly.
        ============================

        Graven, you got it (about) right. I used the term ‘Führer’ deliberately. To denote a leader whom nobody wants, but most or many people rather have than what is currently in charge. The question is, given the current circumstances and the accelerating pace of development, will this Führer be Plato’s (or even Nietzsche’s) benign dictator, as Cincinatus was, celebrated by the Americans by naming a city after him, or will he be an Adolf style dictator. He will certainly be of conservative to right wing background, and here the questions are: How far to the right will he or she be, and the same question holds true for the immediate personal surroundings of such a Führer.

        He can easily rise in the US just as well. The notion of “…oh we have security, homeland, police, military…” Bullshit! So do we Euros! A Führer needs only a few percent of such institutions/forces behind him, then he can take power. The bulk of such institutions or organizations will follow, the ‘top-down’ structure and the hierarchies make sure of that. They have to follow the orders of their superiors, otherwise they would not be police, security, or military type forces; nor would they be governmental organizations. Simple as that. Have a look at the history of coup de etat’s, putsches, power grabs, there’s plenty.

        Can’t happen in the US? A most sad smile to that. Have a look at the way the US police is rapidly developing… Can’t happen in the US? Like rapes in public, naaahhhh, we have the second amendment, we carry cocked and locked…. Bullocks! People, have a look what happened recently in Minnesota – and I told you so, and I keep on telling you, there’s going to be more of this, Trump or not. ‘They’ cannot turn back. The American Senate? Humpf! They will do as much as the British Parliament did when Cromwell marched the Army into the chamber. They may wave papers and shout protest, but against the rifles or sub-machine guns, the American Senate will do as much as the Commons did against the muskets, swords and hell-beards, nothing.

        Before I define Führer, let’s set the scene.

        The views of the public, more importantly, their emotions and the resultant views. More than half a year ago I met an elderly couple from Bradford, I live in a tourist area in the UK, a conversation developed and they were very cagey with answers and comments when I referred to Islam – understandably. In Bradford the churches are behind bars, fences and even barbed wire, church attendance, barely. Defiling of churches, i.e., throwing garbage over the fences, filth and eggs against the windows and walls, practically daily. That couple was late war or early post war generation, grown up with Churchill being the next best thing to The Saviour, the empire is great, etc. When they felt secure with me, a comment or question finally came out; he asked me this: “When push comes to shove, what will you chose, Allahu Akbar or Sieg Heil? We know what we will chose.” I didn’t know what to reply. I just didn’t, I was stunned.

        More recently we had a get together, some friends, married as well as unmarried. Three of them (two married couples and one single man, thus 5 in total) are Freemasons, a people persecuted by the Nazis. The theme turned to Islam. One of the masons said: “I’d wish Hitler would have left bloody Russia alone and sorted things out over here first.” I was perplexed, that from a free mason! The others, free masons as well as the non masons agreed verbally or by nodding, not a single voice of opposition or refusal. Instead: “…we need someone like him.” …. “Yeah, and not only in England…” And from the neighbouring two tables there came nodding, or commenting of approval or agreement. Then the looks turned to me, I am Anglo-German, I did not know what to say. I merely pointed out that the first victims of any tyrant are invariably his own people, the Germans were the ones who suffered most under the Nazis. No response to that, instead they continued along the given lines. And I am talking middle England and your *classical or typical* Englishman and woman!

        Same on various European websites, usual refrain, “…I’ll sooner a later will be a Nazi. Newspapers and TV call me Nazi and racist, and the politicians do the same … so I well be one/become one/I’m thinking about it…” Along these lines. If somebody would have told me that ten or twenty years ago, I would not have believed it.

        If you think that’s flabbergasting, consider this, RAI, Italian news: http://tinyurl.com/h929ch5

        “Mein Kampf” was either the favourite reading or among the top ten favourite readings for a number of Italian schoolchildren. And not just in a single one particular or peculiar region. No, that was established with or in classes in Palermo, Catanzaro (Calabria), Potenza (Basilicata), Tivoli and Gaeta (Lazio), Trieste, Udine (Fruili-Venezia Giulia), and Piacenza (Emilia Romagna). Have a look at the link, you don’t need to speak Italian.

        The atmosphere is brooding, for lack of a better word. So, what would be expected of a Führer? A solution to the Muslim problem, that’s essentially it, as far as I can gauge. At least, I hope it’s not more. When I raise in conversations, direct or via the net, that this or such a man would be required to fill trains, even freight trains with Muslims, deport them or confine them into transit camps for later transport out by barge or similar, the answer is always: “Yeah, that’s about it.” No qualms. And I didn’t come up with that, I received that as an answer to one of my questions thereto, and now I use it as part of my questions to others. When stating that a Führer may not stop there once in power, the usual reply, with some variations: “So what?! I want to live a normal life, I don’t want to be afraid (myself, my children etc.), I want to celebrate Christmas and holidays as I am used to. I don’t want that halal crap. And always that bloody: ‘I am offended’ …” And on and on and on.

        The potential Führers I mentioned initially (above) are the tolerable or acceptable ones, but who knows what’s waiting in the wings, or what will come to the fore once the situation blows.

        There are a number of people who equate Islam with Nazism/Fascism, how evil Nazism is or was, that Hitler had a few SS-divisions (never minding the few million Muslims mobilized by Churchill and Roosevelt – who showed their ‘gratitude’ for that towards the empire in no uncertain terms), all that means nothing to the people. And their number grows, wherever one looks.

        Force the people of Europe into either an ‘Allahu Akbar’ or ‘Sieg Heil’ choice, I can tell you exactly what the vast majority will chose, today already. At best ten years, and someone who says: “Give me the power, and I will solve the problem in one go! Yes! It will be bitter medicine, but the disease is worse. Do you want to continue to suffer the disease? If not, follow me!” He will get the power, have no doubt. And the media and the politician are forcing that situation relentlessly. Worrying? Now? Yes. But in ten years or so? Perhaps we will replace the word ‘worry’ with ‘hope’. Who knows? Moral guidance? The churches are practically all in the crapper. Sorry for my blunt English. But it’s true.

        That was an excerpt from “The rise of the Führers”

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 21, 2016 at 7:30 pm

          When they felt secure with me, a comment or question finally came out; he asked me this: “When push comes to shove, what will you chose, Allahu Akbar or Sieg Heil? We know what we will chose.” I didn’t know what to reply. I just didn’t, I was stunned.
          …………………..

          With all respect, DFD–and I do greatly respect your contributions here–I reject *both* Allahu Akbar and Sieg Heil.

          While we could sure as hell do with a leader like Churchill, the idea that we need a Führer in the sense of Hitler is just mistaken. He didn’t do anything good for the German people, any more than he did for the European nations he invaded or for the Jews.

          We–meaning the Allies–did not have to turn into Hitler in order to defeat him. Churchill and Roosevelt–despite my disagreements with some of the latter’s economic policies–were both completely civilized men, and neither one was a dictator. They were both democratically elected, as well. (Of course, Stalin was a vicious dictator himself, but he was very much the exception).

          And the idea that tyrannies are intrinsically tough on Jihad is not borne out, either. China and Russia are certainly anything but free of Jihad, and both have done their own appeasing of Muslims–the former allowing Muslims to sidestep the “One Child” Policy and to carry weapons, and the latter to enable Shari’ah in Chechnya, to encourage Muslim immigration, particularly to Moscow, and to build Mosques.

          One of the main reasons I oppose Islam is not just because it is so evil, but to defend our own civilized societies. I think this is true of many people here. We do not have to throw out our values in order to fight Jihad–we have to affirm them.

  12. davej says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    “Fair share”? There is no fair share of evil.

    Europe should have announced they would repel all migrants and insisted that the oil-rich Muslim nations should be the ones to rescue them. Yet those countries refused to take a single one.

    Under Islam it is a sin to live in an infidel country, except to convert it to Islamism (cause trouble, in other words) so we knew their intent from the first.

  13. Warmac9999 says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    War is coming. The citizenry of the European countries feel it in their gut. It won’t take much at this point in France where the police are under constant attack and martial law remains in place. Islam is an anti-western totalitarian ideology bent on the destruction of the West. Its Muslim practitioners will suck the Western society welfare systems dry while gradually building a paramilitary capability. Tourism has and will continue to suffer as the risks of assault increase. This is all a spiral into destruction.

  14. abad says

    Dec 16, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    Good for Orban – he has integrity and honesty, two very lacking things in Merkel.

    He has a right to protect his nation and its citizens.

  15. brane pilot says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 12:12 am

    Germany is like an idiot that has dug a deep, stinking pit full of sewage, and is demanding that others join it at the bottom as a moral obligation.
    Good luck with that.
    Strangely, it seems to be working. Look at Sweden.
    They are already underwater.

    • Paul says

      Dec 17, 2016 at 8:30 am

      Sweden and Norway were already far gone before Germany started down this path. I don’t quite understand how this all started–a mix of economic need for immigrants due to low birth rates; multicultural delusions arising from years of leftist brainwashing; subconscious anti-semitism which maybe is just self-hatred of their Judeo-Christian roots, leading to the sick inversion whereby Jews and Israel are bad and Arab and Muslim equals good; etc.

  16. faraway says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 1:40 am

    At last,a realist who says what he thinks;so rare among politicians.

  17. F M Shyanguya says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 2:42 am

    Merkel & Co., mission accomplished.

  18. Louise M. says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 2:45 am

    Mr Orban and other leaders of the Visegrad group are SANE people. Listening to them is HEALING !
    They are what western leaders were before the multicultural brainwashing.

    Mr Orban is SO right to refuse even a small number of Muslim refugees, because the social division starts with a very small number.

    It usually starts with the veiled women who are the perfect negation of the western civilization. As soon as they appear, they start playing on westerners compassion, pity and tolerance. The social consensus is broken. Manipulation, brainwashing, division…the horror that we have witnessed in our multicutural societies starts. And it continues as their numbers grow…”Partition of France”, ”Caliphate in London” are among their latests demands.

    Globalists hoped to play on ALL European good feelings to install their poisonous colonies everywhere….
    Mr Orban has the sanity to stop the horror show before its starts. And it is the one and only way to do it harmoniously: Prevention is the best medicine.
    As he said before, refugees may be helped in different other ways than massively transplanting them into the West. By and for the Globalists agenda.

  19. Rob says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 2:50 am

    “…Whom The Gods Would Destroy, They First Make Mad…”

    God clearly wishes to destroy the EU leaders…

  20. Anne Smith says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 6:24 am

    GOOD MAN !

  21. Max Publius says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 7:29 am

    If the EU quisling political criminals can move these bigoted islamic invaders around so easily within the EU, they can also move them back to their bigoted islamic countries, or drop them off on the nearest shore of the “ummah”, say, Libya.

  22. Ali Bey says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 9:19 am

    Christine Williams to enrol in an evening course of geography.

    • PRCS says

      Dec 17, 2016 at 10:27 am

      FYI,

      It wasn’t her, but these two Express writers:

      Nick Gutteridge and Agnes Kegl

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 17, 2016 at 11:56 pm

      And they were not wrong, either. Check out my post above–the tiny Baltic state in question was Lithuania, not Hungary.

  23. Cretius says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 10:46 am

    The more Brussels interfers with domestic policies, the more the backlash.

  24. eduardo odraude says

    Dec 17, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    It may be essential for the future of the West that Eastern Europe stay strong on this issue. Muslims must not gain political power of any significance in Eastern Europe, and the only way to prevent that is to stop Islamic immigration to those countries and thus keep Muslims as a negligible percentage of the population. Eastern Europe may thus in a few decades become the geo-strategic fulcrum permitting recovery of Western Europe, if significant parts of Western Europe have fallen to Islamic law and its ethos.

  25. No Fear says

    Dec 18, 2016 at 1:44 am

    If I had a policy that brought in thousands of sex offenders into my country and they molested people then I would expect to be in BIG TROUBLE.

  26. No Fear says

    Dec 18, 2016 at 1:48 am

    All you need to know about Islam’s attitude to sex and non muslims is in Quran 4:24 and Hadith Abu Dawud 11:2150.

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