Kermit Zarley is a Biblical scholar who recently attended a presentation by the International Qur’anic Studies Association on the question, “The Qur’an as a Violent Text?” at the Annual Meeting of the Society of Biblical Literature (SBL) and American Academy of Religion (AAR). Five Muslim scholars and one non-Muslim scholar spoke on the question; below are Zarley’s notes on what they said. While some excellent scholars are involved in the International Qur’anic Studies Association, if Zarley’s notes are accurate, this presentation appears to have been almost entirely apologetic.
The salient points, with my responses:
Violence in the Qur’an should not be surprising since violence is a characteristic of human nature and even creation.
Yes, but this is a patent dodge. Violence may be an unavoidable fact of life but the question at hand is whether or not the Qur’an approves of it and even commands it.
Readers of the Qur’an should not focus on certain texts that may have violence but should focus on the the entire Qur’an, most of which is not about violence.
Another dodge. Unless the Qur’an’s peaceful passages actually cancel out the violent ones, the presence of material that is not violent is simply irrelevant.
Texts about violence are descriptive, not prescriptive.
That is flatly false. The Qur’an does contain descriptions of violent acts, but it also contains passages that directly exhort believers to commit acts of violence. A sampling:
2:191-193: “And kill them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than killing. But do not fight them by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”
4:34: “Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has made the one superior over the other, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”
4:89: “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and kill them wherever you find them; do not take to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”
5:33: “This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”
5:38: “And the thief, male and female: cut off the hands of both, as a recompense for what they have earned, and a punishment exemplary from Allah; Allah is All-mighty, All-wise.”
8:12: “When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, “’I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!'”
8:39: “Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”
8:60: “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror in the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”
9:5: “Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”
9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”
9:111: “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”
9:123: “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”
47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”
Readers should look for various levels of meaning in violent texts.
Hard to imagine what “levels of meaning” could be found that would mitigate the literal sense of “kill them wherever you find them.” In any case, anyone who consults the standard and mainstream Qur’anic commentaries on the passages above — Ibn Kathir, the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, al-Qurtubi, etc. — will see that these passages are generally interpreted by mainstream Islamic scholars in a fairly straightforward manner.
Readers should avoid interpreting violent texts literally.
Maybe they should, but what if the violent texts are meant literally? Literalism is the dominant mainstream in understanding the Qur’an among Muslims. All the traditional schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach that Muslims have a responsibility to wage war against and subjugate unbelievers. Where does any non-literal understanding of these passages predominate among Muslims? Even the Sufis, who have mystical interpretations of many things in the Qur’an, don’t reject violent jihad.
Some Qur’anic texts cancel others, so some violent texts are thereby canceled.
This is just the opposite of reality. The Islamic doctrine of abrogation actually tends toward the view that the violent texts supersede peaceful ones. Muhammad’s earliest biographer, an eighth-century Muslim named Ibn Ishaq, explains the progression of Qur’anic revelation about warfare. First, he explains, Allah allowed Muslims to wage defensive warfare. But that was not Allah’s last word on the circumstances in which Muslims should fight. Ibn Ishaq explains offensive jihad by invoking a Qur’anic verse: “Then God sent down to him: ‘Fight them so that there be no more seduction,’ i.e. until no believer is seduced from his religion. ‘And the religion is God’s’, i.e. Until God alone is worshipped.” (2:193)
The great medieval scholar Ibn Qayyim (1292-1350) also outlines the stages of the Muhammad’s prophetic career? Ibn Qayyim says: “For thirteen years after the beginning of his Messengership, he called people to God through preaching, without fighting or Jizyah, and was commanded to restrain himself and to practice patience and forbearance. Then he was commanded to migrate, and later permission was given to fight. Then he was commanded to fight those who fought him, and to restrain himself from those who did not make war with him. Later he was commanded to fight the polytheists until God’s religion was fully established.”
According to a 20th century Chief Justice of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh ‘Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid, “at first ‘the fighting’ was forbidden, then it was permitted and after that it was made obligatory.” He also distinguishes two groups Muslims must fight: “(1) against them who start ‘the fighting’ against you (Muslims) . . . (2) and against all those who worship others along with Allah . . . as mentioned in Surat Al-Baqarah (II), Al-Imran (III) and At-Taubah (IX) . . . and other Surahs (Chapters of the Qur’an).” (The Roman numerals after the names of the chapters of the Qur’an are the numbers of the suras: Sheikh ‘Abdullah is referring to Qur’anic verses such as 2:216, 3:157-158, 9:5, and 9:29.)
The Qur’an must be understood contextually, that is, according to the activities Muhammed (founder of Islam) when he wrote or uttered them. Thus, certain violent texts were written when Muhammed had just conducted some battle, so that readers should not necessarily apply such texts to their own situation. For example, Sura 8 is “a salvation warfare sura,” with its context being a certain battle. For example, Sura 8.12 says, “God revealed his will to the angels, saying, ‘I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.’”
The problem with this claim is that the Qur’an says of Muhammad: “There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah often.” (33:21) Muhammad is the supreme example of conduct for Muslims; if he did something, it is right to do, and Muslims should imitate him doing it.
The verse, “slay them wherever you find them,” refers only to pagans, Hindus, and Buddhists during the time in which it was written.
That would be bad enough. In any case, it is true that Qur’an 9:5 refers to people who are not People of the Book, but these scholars cannot point to any ruling from any recognized Islamic body anywhere that says that this verse has no present or future applicability.
Kermit Zarley is a perceptive man: he wasn’t fooled.
“Does the Qur’an Promote Violence?,” by Kermit Zarley, Patheos, December 2, 2016
…But the session I was looking forward to the most was conducted by the International Qur’anic Studies Association on the question, “The Qur’an as a Violent Text?” I have posted about this issue multiple times. (Click here on the following: “Are We Doing Enough About Islamic Suicide Bombers?,” “Are Muslims Being Radicalized with the Qur’an?,” “Did El-Sisi Say Revise the Qur’an?,” “El-Sisi Is Not the Only Muslim Questioning the Qur’an, “Radical Islamists: ‘Discredit Their Ideology.’”)
There were six speakers. All were Muslims except one, who was an authority on the history of Islam. Although it was never discussed, underlying this session was the reality of widespread Islamic terrorism presently in the world. Here are some points these speakers made about this subject (“sura” in the Qur’an is similar to “chapter):
- Violence in the Qur’an should not be surprising since violence is a characteristic of human nature and even creation.
- Readers of the Qur’an should not focus on certain texts that may have violence but should focus on the the entire Qur’an, most of which is not about violence.
- Texts about violence are descriptive, not prescriptive.
- Readers should look for various levels of meaning in violent texts.
- Readers should avoid interpreting violent texts literally.
- Some Qur’anic texts cancel others, so some violent texts are thereby canceled.
- The Qur’an must be understood contextually, that is, according to the activities Muhammed (founder of Islam) when he wrote or uttered them. Thus, certain violent texts were written when Muhammed had just conducted some battle, so that readers should not necessarily apply such texts to their own situation. For example, Sura 8 is “a salvation warfare sura,” with its context being a certain battle. For example, Sura 8.12 says, “God revealed his will to the angels, saying, ‘I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.’”
- Sura 4.34 was discussed. It says, “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient…. [the disobedient] beat them.
- The verse, “slay them wherever you find them,” refers only to pagans, Hindus, and Buddhists during the time in which it was written.
- Not discussed specifically were the many Qur’anic verses that command, “Fight for the cause of God.” Also, “they will slay and be slain.”
- Sura 5.52 [more commonly 5:51] was mentioned but not discussed, “Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends.”
- Sura 5.39 [more commonly 5:38] was mentioned, “As for a man or woman who is guilty of theft, cut off their hands to punish them for their crimes.” But there is ambiguity with the addition, “But whoever repents after committing evil, and mends his ways, shall be pardoned by God.”
Overall, I was not satisfied with these explanations about violence in the Qur’an. Of course, whenever a Jew or Christian talks about violent texts in the Qur’an, listeners often claim the same occurs in the Bible. I think there is a significant difference. The Old Testament merely records much history that includes violence, whereas the Qur’an, as I read it, does much commanding of violence.

Angemon says
Yup, that’s the gist of it…
Allan says
Angemon, it’s evident from many passages of the Torah that it does prescribe aggressive violence. We need, however, only one example to contradict the claim that Torah merely describes violence. Deuteronomy 22:23-24 will suffice here.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/22.html#23
Beyond Torah we have works such as Joshua, which dooes, in fact, describe violence. Yet we can find evidence there, too, that violent aggression is prescribed, allegedly by the lord of host. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jos/1.html#9.
So, what exactly are the substantive differences between the OT and the Koran? I would argue that the OT is like a Koran with greater literary sophistication but addressed to a narrower audience.
Allan says
Corrections: does and hosts
IQ al Rassooli says
Hello Allan
The items that you quote from the Torah and Judges have absolutely NOTHING to do with the subject of Muhammad’s Quran and its enormous number of verses commanding violence
Will you please find a SINGLE verse in the Bible or New Testament INCITING the Jews or Christians to Slaughter Rape Plunder Enslave and or Conquer ALL those who do NOT follow their creed?
On the other hand any of JW readers can quote for you at least 100 verses commanding Muslims to do just these and I am not even including the Hadiths
Your examples are therefore irrelevant
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Allan says
IQ al Rassooli,
The issue at hand is the claim that “The Old Testament merely records much history that includes violence [but does not prescribe or command violence].” To show that the claim is false requires no evidence that violence is prescribed against “ALL those who do NOT follow their [Jews’ or Christians’] creed”. That would be a different claim, which you introduced as a red herring. Instead, all I need is evidence that some violence is prescribed by the OT against someone. In fact, it’s not even necessary to show that the violence is prescribed against nonbelievers.
It matters not a jot, for the purpose of testing the claim about the OT, what happens to be in the Koran or other Islamic literature. It doesn’t even matter that there is a religion called Islam or lit. called Koran. The OT is basically the same today as it was, say, during the lifetime of Arius, who lived a few centuries before Islam was developed. Thus the truth-value of the claim at issue is the same today as it was in Arius’ day. So we agree that “The items that you quote from the Torah and Judges have absolutely NOTHING to do with the subject of Muhammad’s Quran and its enormous number of verses commanding violence”. But they are germane to the issue at hand.
Now, I cited several verses from the OT, so called, which are unequivocal evidence that the OT does indeed prescribe violence. To see that they are so requires a willingness to inspect the evidence and to understand it. This I can’t compel you to do, but if you do so, you will find that the quoted passages prescribe violence that is aggressive, too. So the claim that “The Old Testament merely records much history that includes violence” has been knocked down by the truth and rests dead upon the ground where it belongs.
Case closed.
I won’t argue against your claim that “at least 100 [Koranic] verses commanding Muslims to do just these [violent acts].” Many Koranic verses do prescribe violence, and I have found no reason to believe that any of them are justified. But this fact isn’t relevant to the issue at hand, which you failed to understand, probably because you’re so emotionally invested in your aversion to Islam that you can’t remain calm enough to think logically about the OT when questions about it arise in such a way that we are lead to condemn both Islam and Judaism.
Michael Copeland says
The important difference between the OT and the Koran is that the Koran – ALL of it – is part of Islamic law (with the death penalty for denying any verse).
The Old Testament is not part of US law.
Les says
Allen
The Deuteronomy example you gave was about Adultry. Do you know what was the cultural norm at that time? Do understand how God was trying to teach the hewbrews during this time to differentiate them from the pagans? Do you know what happened to a woman at that time that could not get married because she was not a virgin or adulterous? An unmarried women would die a slow and painful death if they could not marry. A man could not marry a women that was not a virgin or an adulter. An adulterous man violated God’s commandments at a critical time of no compromise. The death penalty saved a fornicating woman from an slow and long inhumane death.
Les says
Allen
And what did Jesus say about the OT civil laws and moral laws? Jesus did not prescribe any man made violence for violations of moral laws and stated that the Mosaic civil laws were no longer necessary for salvation. Jesus is clear that violations of moral laws puts someone in jeopardy of eternal damnation.
It’s clear even in the OT that God didn’t punish any innocent people. You may try to twist the events outside of cultural norms thousands of years ago but it won’t stand up to good scholarship. I suggest you read a new book by Trent Horn called “Hard Sayings” which will counter the typical smears against God.
Angemon says
Allan posted:
“We need, however, only one example to contradict the claim that Torah merely describes violence. Deuteronomy 22:23-24 will suffice here.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/22.html#23”
Could you elaborate on that specific example? Because it doesn’t seem to be the open-ended commandment, valid to all times, to go out and wage warfare against non-believers, on the grounds of their religion, we can find in the quran.
“Beyond Torah we have works such as Joshua, which dooes, in fact, describe violence. Yet we can find evidence there, too, that violent aggression is prescribed, allegedly by the lord of host. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jos/1.html#9.”
Same thing there.
Sam Kent says
To Allan: The Koran, Hadith and other Islamic writings are fraught with the command to violence. Just what do you think drives modern Islamic terrorism, not to mention the entire history of violent Islam? If you are trying to play the role of an intellectual, believe me, it doesn’t even make the grade of pseudo. I am so tired of the feckless thought processes of liberals. They seek out moral equivalences about as meaningful as balancing a feather against a lead weight. Of logic? There is none! And facts? No, never belabor a liberal with facts! They’ll call you a racist.
billybob says
More than that, Christianity is about Christ and his teachings, first and foremost, and only then about the Bible as far as it supports his teachings. Put another way, the Bible only has relevance when seen through the lens of Christ’s teachings. Obviously, a Christian is a follower of Christ, and Christianity is a religion founded on Christ – not “the Bible”!
Now I admit there are those (Christians???) who will take things from the Old Testament to justify or rationalize “unChristian” acts, but that is not a condemnation of Christianity. It is only a condemnation of the individual.
Christ’s teachings are very clear, and further illustrated by his actions. He taught ‘love thy neighbour’ and ‘do unto others’ and forgiveness and turn the other cheek. His teachings were entirely nonviolent.
Now what I said above was very simple to understand, and anybody should know this minimal description of the religion even if they are an atheist. I am not trying to proselytize here. I am not even a Christian. There is no excuse for those who go around trying to argue the “false equivalence” of the so called “violence” in the Bible with Islam.
Voytek Gagalka says
Meccan Qur’an vs. Medinan Qur’an; peaceful vs. violent. From Sira of Mohammed, when he was active in Mecca he gained no more than about 150 followers. At the end of Medina’s period (when violence superseded peaceful “persuasion”) whole Arabia was Muslim. Conclusion: without embedded violence Islam would not exit today.
Sam Kent says
And Islam would disappear in a generation if it were not for the death penalty! [the original thought of someone else, but right on target].
reyol says
“Texts about violence are descriptive, not prescriptive.”
This is true for the Bible – not the Koran. It appears that the Koranic studies scholars have appropriated biblical apologetics for Islam.
mgoldberg says
“…The Old Testament merely records much history that includes violence, whereas the Qur’an, as I read it, does much commanding of violence.”
Yes, professor, you are correct. But what of the 1400 yrs of history, the homcidism, the sociopathology of honor killings, slaughtering and mutilating ‘crimes’, the complete negation of any questionsing by muslims of doctrine, belief of Mohammed, and only worthy of murdering such investigation. What of those 290 millions slaughtered with ‘allah is greater’. Does all that reality merit investigation for what actually happened, and what it actually means…. the abrogation of ‘peaceful’ or peaceable doctrines cribbed from the Torah, Talmud, et al, were supplanted and replaced by ones of submission and then murder.
What professor, does any and or all of that tell you? It means there’s a fatwa waiting for you if you engage and suggest that any of what I said was accurate about Mohammed. What then does that tell you? Think professor….. think.
no_one says
Reading this makes me appreciate Christianity even more. Jesus told us to love God and love our neighbour (English version). In other languages the word is not neighbour, but rather means “every human being”. If we loved just God we would be justified to hate or kill other humans just like muslims do. They only love their god, not other humans. Also Christianity does not support forced conversion. It is a free choice, so those who decide to go to hell do it by their own will. Islam supports forced conversions. A real God would not like forced conversions. Muslims are supposed to kill unbelievers and send them to hell rather than give them all the time to accept God. I real God who is merciful would not command this. Yet they are to blind to think or are not allowed to. A “god” that hates humans so much to command to kill them if they don’t believe in him can be only the foe of all humanity, the satan.
No Fear says
Mohammed is the “excellent example” for man according to the Quran. Mohammeds behaviour is the key to Islam. Why would anyone want to emulate Mohammed? He killed Jews, encouraged rape (Q4:24),arranged torture, had a woman killed , etc etc etc…..
The REALITY of Mohammed being an excellent example for muslims is TERRIFYING!.
gravenimage says
True, No Fear–this *is* terrifying.
Troybeam says
Islam means submission so Muslims submit to Mohammed’s rule of thought, 1400 years of the same mentality without a single thought that perhaps realizing that this person they follow is a mad man and wrong in his treatment of people as a whole.
The entire thought of Islam is to conquer and make all people submissive under Islam and if they don’t accept Islam than kill them, this is what all people need to understand, Islam does not have a separate political system, a separate religious system it has sharia law, a combination of the two which makes Islam a theocracy,taught by a religious leaders called Imam hence nothing in Islam is separate therefore there cannot be any “political Islam”
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john spielman says
I guess all of ISIS Iran and Saudi Arabia are misunderstanders of islam if islam doesn’t command violence!
Debi Brand says
Good job, Robert.
I add as follows:
“Texts about violence are descriptive, not prescriptive.”
The above, and more, make mandatory for the Muslim counseling the sira and the sunnah of the “prophet”. And I assure you, on the authority of the Qur’anic text, those authoritative sources are descriptive as well as prescriptive.
http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2016/11/concerned-about-trump-virginia.html
gravenimage says
International Qur’anic Studies Association scholars: Qur’an only describes violence, doesn’t command it
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If Muslim scholars *really* believed this, they would take it up with their violent coreligionists who “misinterpret” the Qur’an, instead of trying to convince the “filthy Infidels”.
As it is, this is nothing but whitewash and Taqiyya.
joseph says
Islam is one of Satan’s greatest deceptions. The father of lies and the murderer from the beginning has deceived so many people into following this abominable religion. Allah hates christians and jews….hmmm, interesting, I read in the bible that Satan hates christians and jews, this can’t just be a coincidence. Also, I think the devil is pathetic himself, having to disguise as Allah in order to be worshipped, because no one would worship him if they knew the truth. Let’s pray that some of these deceived people come to Christ, who is the Only Way to the Father because many of them have lost/ will lose/will have lost their eternity because of this satanic work which is islam. Anyway, the world is getting darker and darker, more violent as time passes by and only the second coming of Christ will stop all this evil. Too bad we have to live in a world like this. So sad…
linnte says
A summary of the Qur’an in one sentence; follow Allah and his messenger or die.
That is my personal take on the total ideas of the Qur’an.
Buford says
What a Crock of Feces sounds like some kind of garbage created by CNN or MSNBC probably written by that Muslim Zareed Farahee at CNN
Alien Republican says
So much violence and so little imagination, with the exception of adding twists to violence.
Once more appropriating the arguments of non-muslims. I heard time and again that the bible was as violent as the koran, there are different ways to counter that but the “desriptive” vs “presciptive” is one I learned on JHW.
A few years ago I was debatting a mulims about “evolution” and after a while I realiized that all arguments were taken from creationists. Never met one in Europe or at least a silent minority. It’s not hard to think of the flattering words reserved to describe a creationists world view by the left. I wonder how many realize that muslims basically are creationists. There is potential there…
nicholas tesdorf says
Good luck to Biblical scholar Kermit Zarley with his brave attempt to bring moderation to the Qur’an. It looks like an uphill struggle as those who actually read the Qur’an keep coming up against plain-speaking commands for violence, Most of them seem to still take it seriously.
duh swami says
“Fight them until…’Is an order,for combat, not a description…Anyway it’s all BS…and all JW’ readers know it…
duh swami says
If the violence in Quran is descriptive only, then the 270.000,000 + people killed since Mohammad is just one big mistake…
duh swami says
The Quran can be divided into two parts,,,information only,(the sun sets in a muddy spring) and calls for action, kill the infidels wherever you find them’….If the Quran is the very Holy words of Allah, good for all time, the calls to action are current…If it’s just descriptions it is not a Holy book, it is a seriously flawed history book…I don’t think that’s what Allah had in mind when he wrote it…
IQ al Rassooli says
Dear readers
It is an insult to our intelligence to call ANY Muslim a ‘scholar’. Not a single Muslim can ever tell the TRUTH about Muhammad, his Quran and or his Sunna.
Listening to and or reading articles by so called ‘scholars’ of Islam or their apologists is a total waste of time.
Nothing about Muhammad, his Quran, his Sunna or his followers is peaceful because they are all Hatemongering Duplicitous Intolerant Warmongering Disloyal Racist Hypocritical Treacherous Vile and totally Ungodly
Case CLOSED!
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
JIMJFOX says
“It is an insult to our intelligence to call ANY Muslim a ‘scholar’. Not a single Muslim can ever tell the TRUTH about Muhammad, his Quran and or his Sunna.”
Absolutely- they are scholars of Lies–There are SIX DIFFERENT WAYS of deception that are permissible in Islam:
1•Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda’rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam.
2•Kitman: deceit by omission.
3.Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.
4•Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia).
5•Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something “Haram” or forbidden).
6•Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia to make Muslim migrants appear “moderate.”
Muslims imitate Allah ‘THE GREATEST OF DECEIVERS’.
Allahu khayrul-makireena – Koran. 3:54; cf. 8:30
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
The ONE who wants to find out THE TRUE and ONLY GOD does not so much argue as to SEEK.
duh swami says
Practice the ‘Supreme Commandment’, and you will find what others seek…
eur says
The coran is a declaration of war to all humanity. The allegories of the Bible (with which I disagree) are interpretable, are ways of educating the Semitic ancient society. The Koran are orders, without the sunna is incomprehensible and there read everything. If only the coran existed it would be clear to everyone that it is shit and incomprehensible. The Mohammedan sunna poisons even more.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
kermi zarley, you are filthy christian evangelist deceiver.you said verses of violence and genocide were limited to time of israelites is a lie.why they are still contained in your mithraist evil bible?why don’t you erase them to be found only in jewish scriptures for whom they were meant?remember the church relied on these verses and killed more than 20 million muslims during those brutal crusade wars.in spain the church relied on the sames biblical verses of genocide and issued a religious decree that all muslims must convert to filthy christianity or be killed.those who refused to convert were killed and the rest fled.genocide was carried out by the church against aboriginist pagans in europe and americas.during american invasion of iraq many unexploded cluster bombs were found bearing these violent and genocide verses from christian bible. mr zarley, you can only deceive filthy christian idiots who take gabbages from christian evangelist deceivers hook,line and sinker.i could remember not long ago some christian evangelist deceivers wrapped such biblical verses of violence and genocide with quranic cover to deceive readers that they are from the quran to sell filthy christianity to vulnerable uninformed people.note,no muslim ever said jihad in the form of military confrontation ended at the time of prophet muhammad.we are saying military confrontation can be resorted any time when the cirmstance warrants, but under very strict rules of engagement laiddown by the sharia.suicide bombing and killings of non-combatant civilians by isis and other terrorist group definitely contravene sharia provisions,and therefore not acceptable jihad
Jack Diamond says
did your donkey write this?
Troybeam says
ibrahim itace muhammed: your rant makes no sense, here’s a suggestion: go educate yourself in grammar and in sharia law, then come back and make an educated comment.
IQ al Rassooli says
ibrahim itace muhammed
It is OBVIOUS to all JW readers that you are using disgusting and aggressive terms because you are trying to defend your indefensible and depraved scripture called Muhammad’s Quran
I have asserted on numerous occasions that it is impossible to find a single follower of Muhammad with TWO brain cells of LOGIC when dealing with the subjects of Religion Politics and History and $100,000.00 says not a single Muslim from 1,500,000,000 can prove me WRONG and collect. Please TRY!
20 million Muslims killed by Christians?
When? Where? By Who? Put up or Shut Up!
Muslims from Muhammad till today have been and continue to be the most AGGRESSIVE victimizing human group (Ummat Muhammad) against ALL Infidels/ Kuffar (80% of current none Muslim humanity) for 1400 years and continue their depravities all over the globe as I write this today
Muslims have been and will continue to be the most destructive and least constructive UMMA in human history until most of 80% of Infidel/ Kuffar humanity wakes up and deals with them appropriately.
I predict that 2017 will be the year when the turning point will occur starting with stopping ALL Muslims from immigrating in our democracies and later addressing those who are already within our communities
Ibrahim, those of us on JW KNOW that NO Muslim can ever be a LOYAL citizen in the land of the Kuffar because we do NOT follow Sharia.
The tide is turning and it does not bode well for those who are TRAITORS among us
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
gravenimage says
Great replies to the disgusting Muslim troll!
gravenimage says
Vile Muslim apologist ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
kermi (sic) zarley (sic), you are filthy christian (sic) evangelist deceiver.you (sic) said verses of violence and genocide were limited to time of israelites is a lie.why (sic) they are still contained in your mithraist (sic) evil bible?why (sic) don’t you erase them to be found only in jewish (sic) scriptures for whom they were meant?
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Jews and Christians do not practice this kind of censorship. Why would they? Unlike Muslims, they do not believe that everything that existed in the time before their faith must be destroyed. We understand history.
But the fact is, in any case, that Jews and Christians are not enjoined to practice violence based on anything in the Torah or Bible. Would that this were true of Muslims re the Qur’an…
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remember (sic) the church relied on these verses and killed more than 20 million muslims (sic) during those brutal crusade wars.
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This is, of course, quite false. The Crusades were defensive wars against Muslims attacking and enslaving Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land.
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in spain (sic) the church relied on the sames biblical verses of genocide and issued a religious decree that all muslims (sic) must convert to filthy christianity (sic) or be killed.those (sic) who refused to convert were killed and the rest fled.
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This, is, of course, quite false. Muslims led a bloody invasion and conquered much of the Iberian peninsula. When the brave native Spanish and Portuguese were eventually able to take their homelands back, they expelled the invaders. Those who chose to leave Islam were allowed to stay.
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genocide was carried out by the church against aboriginist (sic) pagans in europe (sic) and americas.during (sic) american (sic) invasion of iraq (sic) many unexploded cluster bombs were found bearing these violent and genocide (sic) verses from christian (sic) bible.
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What utter claptrap. Citations, please.
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mr zarley (sic), you can only deceive filthy christian (sic) idiots who take gabbages (sic) from christian (sic) evangelist deceivers hook,line (sic) and sinker.i (sic) could remember not long ago some christian evangelist deceivers wrapped such biblical verses of violence and genocide with quranic (sic) cover to deceive readers that they are from the quran (sic) to sell filthy christianity (sic) to vulnerable uninformed people.
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What absurdity. Is this Mohammedan saying that Qur’an 9:5 and all the other horrific violence of the Qur’an is actually from the Bible?
And if this were the case, why is it that it is *Muslims* who are slaughtering unbelievers all over the world, rather than Jews and Christians? Of course, he has no answer for this.
I ask muhammed to reject all the violent passages of the Qur’an now as being “un-Islamic”, if he really believes that they were all Bible quotes snuck in by “christian deceivers”. And he must reject the horrifying piratical warlord “Prophet” Muhammed, as well–no doubt he was actually some Christian saint! sarc/off
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note,no (sic) muslim (sic) ever said jihad in the form of military confrontation ended at the time of prophet muhammad.
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Actually, Muslim apologists claim this all the time. Is muhammed actually admitting that the Qur’an demands the violent subjugation of all unbelievers to Islam?
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we (sic) are saying military confrontation can be resorted any time when the cirmstance (sic) warrants, but under very strict rules of engagement laiddown (sic) by the sharia.
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Right–if there are Infidels living freely, those are such “cirmstance”…
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suicide bombing and killings of non-combatant civilians by isis and other terrorist group definitely contravene sharia provisions,and (sic) therefore not acceptable jihad
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Muslims do not regard these “suicide bombings”–an unfortunate characterization by Infidels–as “suicide” at all, but just as “killing and being killed in the path of Allah”. In fact, Jihadists being “martyred” while slaughtering Infidels is the highest honor in Islam, and they are held to go to Paradise and receive large numbers of eternally virgin rape victims.
As for non-combatant civilians, Muslims have targeted them since the earliest days of Islam–the “Prophet” himself raped, enslaved, and murdered civilians, as this Taqiyya artist well knows.
Angemon says
Hi there, Ebionite. You wrote:
“kermi zarley, you are filthy christian evangelist deceiver.”
As usual, anyone who says something that deviates from your party line – whether that party is Abu’s or Ali’s (see what I did there? 😉 ) – gets labelled a “filthy christian evangelist deceive”. If they insist then you accuse them of being Jews.
“you said verses of violence and genocide were limited to time of israelites is a lie.why they are still contained in your mithraist evil bible?”
Oh, the irony! Why does the quran contains all those verses that islamic apologists tell us are abrogated and no longer valid?
“why don’t you erase them to be found only in jewish scriptures for whom they were meant?”
Listen up, you ignorant doofus: the OT is a part of the Jewish scriptures. It is also part of the Bible. And don’t you defend the idea that the Bible was corrupted by humans? Why are you chastising someone on the grounds of the Bible being unaltered?
“remember the church relied on these verses and killed more than 20 million muslims during those brutal crusade wars.”
Citation needed.
“in spain the church relied on the sames biblical verses of genocide and issued a religious decree that all muslims must convert to filthy christianity or be killed.”
No, the Spanish kings told muslims to convert or GTFO Spain because they kept rebelling and waging jihad against them. They did so because the Spanish kings were Catholic and not muslim.
“those who refused to convert were killed and the rest fled.”
That’s usually what happens when you take up arms against your ruler – treason had been historically punishable by death.
“genocide was carried out by the church against aboriginist pagans in europe and americas.”
“Genocide”? Are germs sentient creatures?
“during american invasion of iraq many unexploded cluster bombs were found bearing these violent and genocide verses from christian bible.”
Citation needed. Anyway, I suspect that, if indeed bombs had quotations from the Bible, they were there as a mean to demotivate muslim soldiers – it’s not evidence that anything done in Iraq was justified by the Bible.
“ mr zarley, you can only deceive filthy christian idiots who take gabbages from christian evangelist deceivers hook,line and sinker.i could remember not long ago some christian evangelist deceivers wrapped such biblical verses of violence and genocide with quranic cover to deceive readers that they are from the quran to sell filthy christianity to vulnerable uninformed people.”
I have no idea of what you meant to say with that.
“note,no muslim ever said jihad in the form of military confrontation ended at the time of prophet muhammad.we are saying military confrontation can be resorted any time when the cirmstance warrants, but under very strict rules of engagement laiddown by the sharia.”
“They are of them”.
“suicide bombing and killings of non-combatant civilians by isis and other terrorist group definitely contravene sharia provisions,and therefore not acceptable jihad”
“They are of them”.
Michael Copeland says
“The Koran directly commands us to use terrorism, so why are we afraid of it?”
Ragab Hilal Hamida, MP,
in the Egyptian Parliament
Bagula says
Dear Islam believers pl do look at you tube talk of son of Hamas leader speaks about Islam and get updated.
Zimriel says
I was there:
http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30590.msg863333#msg863333
FYI says
Here’s a really tough one for the islamic scholars.
Why does the koran violate God’s commandments?
God’s laws revealed to Moses are accepted by the Jews and the Christians.
Not it seems by mahomet or his “allah” in his koran.
Why did mahomet disagree with them(and in so doing prove that he cannot be a true prophet
like Moses,Elijah and Jesus Christ:all of whom would never dispute God’s commandments)?
A true prophet NEVER disputes God’s Commandments or promotes evil.
note:-
6thThou shalt not kill(violated by k2:191 “slay the unbeliever”)
7th Thou shalt not commit adultery(violated by k33:50/Bukhari 5:268)
8th Thou shalt not steal(violated by k48:20 “allah promiseth you much bounty that ye will capture”/Ibn ishaq 764
9th Thou shalt not lie..taqqiya,muruna,kitman…..all these techniques are based on LYING.
10th Thou shalt not covet………(see the life of mahomet..)
Also the Two Chief Commandments are missing in the koran.
That’s very strange for a book that muslims claims to be from God.Isn’t it?
Maybe that’s because the “allah” of the koran is not the same God of Moses and Elijah.
Because “allah”/his self-appointed prophet and the koran is completely at odds with the
Biblical version of God/His Commanments/His many prophets.That’s why.
Cretius says
The Koran describes in great detail the violence to be visited on non-believers and their ‘perfect’ prophet was a prime example of the use of terror to further Islam.