And what is on the horizon if Trump doesn’t tear up the deal and lets the Islamic Republic of Iran proceed on course? World war and the destruction of Israel.
“Trump’s Iran stance could threaten a WORLD WAR and the destruction of Israel, warns Tehran as it cautions the Donald against ‘provoking’ them in the Middle East,” by Thomas Burrows, MailOnline, December 11, 2016:
The Iranian defense minister has warned that Donald Trump could trigger a world war and the ‘destruction’ of Israel and small Gulf Arab states if he provokes the Middle Eastern power.
Trump’s election victory has raised the prospect the US will pull out of the nuclear pact signed by Barack Obama last year.
During his campaign, Trump was strongly critical of the agreement that saw Iran agree to limits on its nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of international sanctions on its oil industry and finances.
In September 2015, the billionaire told a crowd: ‘Any commander-in-chief worthy of defending this nation should be prepared to stand up on 20 January 2017 [inauguration day] and rip to shreds this catastrophic deal.’
He also called the deal a ‘disaster’ and ‘the worst deal ever negotiated’.
This has led to panic among US allies in the Gulf, Iranian Defense Minister Hossein Dehghan has claimed.
‘Even though a businessman, the assistants that … (Trump) has chosen may map a different path for him, and this has led to unease, particularly among Persian Gulf countries,’ Dehghan told a security conference in Tehran, according to Iran’s Mehr news agency.
‘Considering Trump’s character and that he measures the cost of everything in dollars, it does not seem likely that he would take strong action against our country,’ he said.
‘Enemies may want to impose a war on us based on false calculations and only taking into consideration their material capabilities…
‘Such a war would mean the destruction of the Zionist regime (Israel) … and will engulf the whole region and could lead to a world war,’ Mehr quoted Dehghan as saying.
‘Among other consequences of the war, would be the destruction of the city-states on the southern shore of the Persian Gulf, because they lack popular support,’ Dehghan said, referring to small Western-allied Gulf states such as the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Qatar.
However Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been a fierce critic of the agreement, hoped he could work with Trump to dismantle the deal.
He said: ‘I know Donald Trump. And I think his attitude, his support for Israel is clear. He feels very warmly about the Jewish state, about the Jewish people.’
Pressed on what those options might be, Netanyahu said he had ‘about five things in my mind’, but did not elaborate….

Dan says
Either execute every “Nothing to do with Islam radical Islam” nut job you know about/Leave us, Israel and basically every non Muslim country the hell alone/Proclaim a jihad on all jihadists….
Or shut up you taiqiyya spewing sand pounder cause Islam, in general if not as a whole, has already declared World War on the rest of the world.
Tom says
This is just the blustering of an impotent, petulant child. He knows that very soon Islam/Iran will soon feel the wrath of America. Islam was sweating on our election day and now are worried about their immediate future.
President Trump will form alliances with Russia, strengthen our pacts with Israel, and then unite France, the UK and poor Germany. Very soon the world will begin an Islamic enema and purge ourselves of this societal cancer. We are about to initiate a shit storm the likes of which Iran has never seen.
Muslims cherish death like we cherish life; let’s be kind and help them out. We must now seek natural justice and rid the world of this enemy. Islam has declared war on us and we shall win that war.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Frank says
Iran talks too much when they are just a pimple compared to the greatest country on earth . USA BACK ON TOP. The Iranians citizens need to smell the coffee and remove their leader.
A Harris USA says
Dan, exactly!! Seems to me the nasty filthy Islamic states, and the Chi-coms are in a tizzy over Trump. This is actually a good sign.. They are sounding like spoiled kids, who now that the gig is up…and there is a new sheriff in town.. LET THEM RANT!! Between threats to Israel, and the USA and every other free nation, this is just a lot of blow hard crap.. When one is worried about their soft deal, they whine and go nuts. If there are any Euro nations willing to get on the train, the Iranians will threaten them as well… Get ready for a bunch of cry babies internationally and nationally, the gig is up, and they know it!!
gravenimage says
Iran’s defense minister: Trump could trigger “world war” and “destruction” of Israel if he provokes Iran
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Uh…right. Of course, the Islamic Republic of Iran has been threatening to destroy Israel for years now–before the nuke agreement, after it, and before Trump was ever elected.
Marlies Mertsch Geer says
It all started with Jimmy Carter in 79 when they kept our hostages for almost 2 years. Had to get a strong Republican like Ronald Reagan. Stupid idiot peanut farmer. And now they want to get rid of Trump and get another Pro Islam President in power. Good luck to us.
Custos Custodum says
Carter was NOT just “a stupid peanut farmer.”
The chief emotion that seems to have propelled him to high office was HATE – hate of African-Americans and of Jews, combined with a Wilsonian-Socialist disdain for traditional American values.
American Pragmatism says
The Shahs should have been supported by Carter.
carol says
Grimly ironic when you think of it…
somehistory says
According to information and intelligence gathered by Dr. Vincent Pry, iran has been planning for quite some time now to use an EMP, either over Israel or the U.S. or possibly even its enemy, SA.
He wrote out the evidence in “The Long Sunday.”
ScottM says
Its only a matter of time before something like that happens. I hope that if Iran or NK do it – they are hit with everything imaginable to do what they have been wanting to do to Israel and the USA – wipe them off so they not only not threaten anybody – but so we don’t have to listen to their ridiculous macho bullshit.
somehistory says
“The Long Sunday” is from the election this past November until January 20.
A Harris USA says
somehistory, I can not WAIT for Jan. 20th, now with the Obama minions trying to overturn the election, any way they can!! Just keep our fingers crossed, I do not trust that Muslim in the White Hut, until the door hits him in the ass!!
Godwin says
Iran hasn’t got EMP yet, but the US n Israel have. During Trump’s era, Israel could give Iran a bloody nose with EMPs or some nuclear presents, to the dismay of Obama.
somehistory says
Did you read the paper?
beaubear says
somehistory, do you read the bible? Israel will not be destroyed or wiped off the map.
somehistory says
beau,
That is not, not, what I wrote, either.
I wrote that the evidence is there that iran has been planning …for some time…an EMP attack based on the information gathered by Dr. Pry.
I never wrote that Israel would be destroyed or wiped off the map or any such thing. If you had been coming here and reading what I have said in my comments for a good many years, you would know where I stand on Bible reading and the many times I have said things regarding Ezekiel, chapters 38 and 39. 🙂
Now, I suggest that you read the paper (or short book) that I referenced above.
Blangwort says
Good luck. If that fool is stupid enough to order anything, there won’t be an Iran any more. It will be a radioactive wasteland.
Threats like that get him nothing but contempt. And if they’re crazy enough to attempt exporting their terror to the US they’ll find out first hand that we may have learned a thing or two fighting in Afghanistan. It’s just that the current CIC isn’t much of a fighter. But I think they would be wise to not provoke the next one.
Mong says
They still think they’re dealing with Barry x)
Don McKellar says
Yeah, Barry and his stooges. They’re going to have to learn the hard way, I think.
mortimer says
My reading is that the mullahocracy is really, really scared that their people are getting restless and ready to overthrow the government.
Westman says
I tend to go along with that view. If Iran’s dictators were confident, they wouldn’t say anything. These recent pronouncements are spin to convince the less-intelligent and poorly-informed segments of the Iranian population that Iran, falsely, has military parity with the US and Israel. In truth, if they made a move on Israel the Iranian air force would never reach Israel. Tehran and Qom would likely be smoking ruins.
What is most ridiculous in their statements is that the Sunnis nations would attack Israel to save Iran. Nothing could be further from the truth. Every Sunni nation would be happy to see Shia Iran “wiped off the map”. The Ayatollahs are such “wise” leaders that they have managed to get themselves banned from Mecca. The sooner they are overthrown, the sooner life improves for Iranians
katherine says
It won’t make any difference whatever Trump does because the preparations for destruction of the Jews and the West are already in place . It’s just a matter of time and tech availability – nothing will change that, and the Iranians only desire the most favorable conditions to work with towards that goal in the shortest time-frame.
They have unequivocally stated their ultimate intentions regardless of western policies towards Iran – no compromises accepted. Muslims can supposedly survive any nuclear wars because time is irrelevant, so submit or die – period.
carol says
Katherine…reminiscent of cockroaches aren’t they?
Saleem Smith says
The Islamic Republic of Iran is clearly determined to impose their Shia version of Islam on the infidel world and the world of Sunni Islam. That would necessitate billions of dead bodies and strict Sharia rule throughout the earth. Not exactly the stuff of peace and happiness.
Live by the Quran and die by the Quran I guess. Strict obedience to the sayings and doings of an evil madman named Muhammad is the order of the day in Iran and elsewhere in the Islamic world.
We ex-Muslims living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that Mohammedanism is an idiotic fraud.
Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:
“One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…
The statement continues,
Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
carol says
Wow! Pasting this Bangladeshi assessment left and right could put a quick lid on boilerplate jihadists!
myworld2 says
excuse me while I barf ………………..
davej says
For an insightful look at the psychology of jihad I can recommend this talk by James Mitchell, who was at the tip of the spear investigating the terror network after 9/11.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?419633-2/james-mitchell-discusses-enhanced-interrogation
After watching this you may have a revised opinion on “enhanced interrogation techniques”, I know I do. Then consider the fact that he was forced out by Obama’s CIA in 2009.
BTW, Dehghan is as ugly as his speech is threatening, he would be better named the Iranian Offense Minister.
pdxnag says
It is your fault if we nuke Israel with an Obama bomb.
linnte says
Well, per Iran, Israel is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. This is a real threat of war that should be taken very seriously. I hope Trump is aware and communicates with Russia about this real threat.
DFD says
Don’t worry. They are destroying israel, The Great Satan (That’s you, the US) and the rest of the west since…. Since…. Since…. Ayatullah Khomeini? Xerxes?
Ren says
Let’s provoke Iran just to see how those pussies would react.
Francis Merde says
Iran is not any kind of world power. They have oil, and that’s it.
Ronen says
Yet more hollow threats from this Islamic 3rd world shithole. No one should take these clowns seriously as the most they can do is terror acts around the globe, which will be carried out any way sooner or later.
Only tough policy will put the Islamofascists in their place
Ronen says
P.S. but only untill they get the Obama bomb
Champ says
Iran’s defense minister: Trump could trigger “world war” and “destruction” of Israel if he provokes Iran
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Oh please …
Iran has had designs on destroying Israel for yeaaaars!
You’re only trying to use Trump as a scapegoat for your longtime evil agenda to destroy Israel.
gravenimage says
Yup.
davej says
Islam is all about apocalypse, they don’t care about deterrence or a long range future.
They want to kill you for no other reason than you are not a Muslim. Once they get the bomb it is all over. They are willing to end the world just to prove their point.
Godwin says
ALL Iran can do is to turn the ME into a nuclear wasteland. The code ” I-ran ” is meant for the smart Iranians who will run away before this holocaust happen. That will cause the collapse of Islam.
linnte says
I agree with you Dave. I really think IRAN thinks nuclear war would be a sort of Grand Jihad, where, if Iranians all die, they will all go to Paradise. That lack of humanity and compassion is scary as hell.
SoCalMike says
Bring it.
Mo Bitches.
Now.
medaber_emet says
the fucking iranians want to destroy israel anyway
with or without any provocation
the WORLD WAR against islam is quickly becoming more and more inevitable
the sooner our buffoons leaders will start it the better
islam is a an incurable disease that must be eradicated by war
its as simple as that
ages ago the people knew that
along the years it has been forgotten
now its almost too late but i believe still possible to win this war
if the world will wait another 20 years then its game over
islam wins
ibrahim itace muhammed says
it is a prophesy as stated in the quran in surats bani israela and israe that the jews, due to their transgressions and leading corruptions on the earth, will rise and fall.the last will be disasterous and will bring them into extinction.the previous rise and fall had came to past.the jews are aware of that.they know that whatever is predicted in the quran will definitely happene.it is not muslims’ selfish desire to see jews destroyed.it is decree from god and we believe it.the last fall can be from any one, not neccessarily from iran.that is why jews are jittery wheneever they are threatened by any power no matter how weak it is.note,i am not praying for disaster to happene to any race.what i am saying is that any nation that has been given power and wealths and it misues it will fall.it happened to arabs when they misused the opportunity given to them they ruled muslim world. they misused it.the consequence was disasterous .their rule was terminated by mogol tatars, and later turks took over.the jews were favoured by allah where he sent most of the prophets among them to be the most guided to lead humanity.but they misused the opportunity and become the most evil specie of human race.they say because they are children of god,whatever they do nothing will happene to them.allah says it is lie,they are human beings like all others.take note
Frank Courtney says
Your propositions are meaningless because they are based upon the false premise that the Qur’an is a genuine book of prophecy. It isn’t. It is a fake holy book authored by a narcissistic psychopath.
carol says
And one who was laughed at for being extremely naive – Muhammed hear: Muhammed believe! I doubt real journalism was honed in the 7th century Ibrahim.
Godwin says
My Favorite Quran Verse by David Wood [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMQx9_eijQE ]
gravenimage says
Muslim barbarian ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
it (sic) is a prophesy as stated in the quran (sic) in surats bani israela (sic) and israe (sic) that the jews (sic), due to their transgressions and leading corruptions on the earth, will rise and fall.the (sic) last will be disasterous (sic) and will bring them into extinction.
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Yes, we all know that Muslims are threatening the Jews with genocide. This is not a “prophecy”.
More:
the (sic) previous rise and fall had came to past.the (sic) jews (sic) are aware of that.they (sic) know that whatever is predicted in the quran will definitely happene (sic).
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Actually, I doubt many Jews much care about the foul Qur’an. They are too busy living happy and productive lives to care about the vaporings of savage Mohammedans.
More:
it (sic) is not muslims’ (sic) selfish desire to see jews (sic) destroyed.it (sic) is decree from god (sic) and we believe it.the (sic) last fall can be from any one, not neccessarily (sic) from iran.that (sic) is why jews are jittery wheneever (sic) they are threatened by any power no matter how weak it is.
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Well, that’s just ludicrous. Muslims are *always* frothing at the mouth about the destruction of the Jews. And the “Prophet” Muhammed’s sock puppet “Allah” always conveniently acted to fulfill his wishes, from raping a little child to personally beheading all the adult male Jews of the Banu Qurayza.
The idea that this is “nothing personal” from homicidal Mohammedans is just grotesque.
More:
note,i (sic) am not praying for disaster to happene (sic) to any race.what (sic) i (sic) am saying is that any nation that has been given power and wealths (sic) and it misues (sic) it will fall.
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Typical Muslim weltanschauung–that hardworking and innovative Jews have done nothing to earn their wealth, but that it is all the will of “Allah”. No indication as to why Jewish people should be doing so well 1400 years after Muhammed came along…
More:
it (sic) happened to arabs (sic) when they misused the opportunity given to them they ruled (sic) muslim (sic) world. they misused it.the (sic) consequence was disasterous .(sic) their rule was terminated by mogol (sic) tatars (sic), and later turks (sic) took over.
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Wait–muhammed here does understand that the Ottoman Empire no longer exists, doesn’t he?
More:
the (sic) jews (sic) were favoured by allah (sic) where he sent most of the prophets among them to be the most guided to lead humanity.but (sic) they misused the opportunity and become the most evil specie (sic) of human race.
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Muslims believe that the coming of Muhammed was supposed to mark the beginning of the end of the Jews. And yet, they are doing very well these days. How that must terribly frustrate Muslims like muhammed.
More:
they (sic) say because they are children of god,whatever (sic) they do nothing will happene (sic) to them.allah (sic) says it is lie,they (sic) are human beings like all others.take (sic) note
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Muslims do not consider Jews to be human beings like all others–they consider them to be despised “apes and pigs”.
And actually, Jewish people are very self-critical, as are Westerners in general–civilized people question their actions and whether things can be done better. This is what accounts for our moral and technological progress, something completely lacking in the Muslim world view.
carol says
“Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.”
Before obsessively bickering with the kafir shouldn’t the overwhelmingly “moderate” umma/mullahocracy dedicate itself to declaring fatwahs upon incontrovertibly evil jihadists and their deeds??
This GREAT QUESTION seems strangely unaddressed and hangs uncomfortably in the clear air.
Dennis says
I lived in Iran during the government of Shah Pahlavi. He was Americas best friend and pro-Israel. We betrayed him and helped the Muslim religious freaks to power. Well, this is what we get: braggarts, fanatics and racial idiots. I am pretty sure that Israel could take care of Iran by itself! Let Iran keep thinking that it is the best, the strongest, the holiest. They will soon learn. P.s. I loved the Iranian people under the shahs regime: true,y educated, hospitable and kind.
Michael Johnson says
He is the only one with the guts to stand up to Iran so I say Muslim world bring it and you will lose
ilan b says
Israel is going to win any military conflict with a Muslim enemy, and you know why.
it’s simple- because they are Muslims!
Dirk says
Israel is just the most warmongering state in the world.
ilan b says
and Iran is the most peaceful country in the world.
Iran only sponsors terror groups in Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, Gaza, Judea and Sumeria, Syria.
Islam is build on violence, Muhammad managed to convert only 13 people in mecca with his peaceful plagiarism from the old and the new testament.
Islam spread in Medina only bye the sword, and that’s how Islam has spread for 1400 years.
only by the sword and for good reason, it’s just plain retarded.
duh swami says
You have, of course ‘evidence’…Please post it…
Benedict says
When the final countdown starts I hope Israel will consider blowing Mecca and Medina to smithereens in order to rid the world of this Islamic curse and Fata Morgana.
gravenimage says
Dirk wrote:
Israel is just the most warmongering state in the world.
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How dare those “filthy” Jews want to live unmolested by murdering Muslims? How “warmongering”! sarc/off
ibrahim itace muhammed says
denis, shah was fascist and ruthless ruler being a puphet of the west taking iranian resources to the west.compare the level of education,scientific breakthrough and sophistication during shah and present islamic regime.shah used iranian resources and bought obsolete weapons from the west and stashed the rest in western economies.the islamic rulers say they will utilise their resources by themselves and good results are now glaring.the west followed with various punitive sanctions to retard the developement.but it will not work.the iranians are determined to their assertiveness.i am assuring you that all other muslim nations will later follow suit.the issue of sunni-shia divide will be kept aside to face common challenge.in fact such divides are being promoted by the west to maintain the status quo of dominating muslim world.note, i am not a shia muslim. but i know the difference between sunni and shia is not fundamental.it is a matter of difference in the interpretation of islamic sources.the differences have to be accomodated for general good of the umma.mithraist christians(not monotheist followers of prophet isa)had the same schisms and they resolved them and sects are recognised.it is only minority muslim sect the followers of misguided abdulwab, an jew,who insist not recognise differences in the interpretations to serve their sinister intention of weakening muslim umma for the benefit of christian west who sponsore them.wahhabism will soon lose followership among muslims.petrol dollars from corrupt saudi royal family cannot continue to sustain it.
ilan b says
all you retarded Muslims do is peddle your conspiracy theories.
abdalla ben sabba founded the shia, daesh is mossad, al Qaeda is mossad, violence got nothing to do with Islam…
listen my friend as you know shia Islam is built on the revenge of the killing of Hussein.
the ashura which is practiced every year is to revenge ali’s death.
you can stop with this kamis otman on the kuffar.
the Sunni shia war has only started and its only going to intensify.
the Sunni are not going to revenge the acts of the shia Iraqi army is Mosul?
the sunni are not going to revenge the acts of Assad and the Iranians in haleb?
the sunni are not going to revenge the acts of the hutties in Yemen?
mark my words this is only the start of a 100 year world.
and in the end humanity will only benefit from the destruction of the death cult of Muhammad called Islam.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Islam’s collapse is imminent. That unholy Satanic religion will not last long. 1400 years ago, Satan deceived a charlatan and a wannabe prophet into believing that he was an actual prophet. Muhammad, the charlatan, the pedophile, the rubber, the murderer, the rapist, the blasphemer and many other things besides, died a horrible death. God certainly gave him a painful death as punishment for all his crimes. Muhammad’s greatest desire was to die a martyr in the cause of Allah ( Jihad) but he died in the arms of Aisha after being poisoned by a Jewish woman whose family Muhammad had annihilated. If apostasy was not punishable by death, Islam would not exist today. Certainly, Iran would not have been Islamic today. Lacking grace, wisdom and love, Islam could only survive by brute force – the sword. Quran is filled with contradictions as well as historical and scientific errors, not to mention mathematical errors. And as if these things are not bad enough by themselves, the book is put together in haphazard ways. Quran is nothing but a book of lies, words of Satan and predicts nothing about the future. One can argue that Satan is evil, not stupid, so how could he get so many things wrong, including not knowing the name of the true God of Abraham and Moses *I am* translated in Hebrew as *Yahweh*, which could have been passed on to Muhammad and written in the Quranic verses. [God revealed His true name to Moses] The answer is manifestly obvious to anyone with wisdom. Satan does not have unlimited powers, for he is not God. If you read Job, you would know that Satan’s power is limited and that limit is set by God Himself. Satan was given permission to deceive Muhammad, but God limited Satan’s power, so he could not speak the truth in the Quran, nor could he utter the holy name of the one and only true God. Hence the reason Satan put two clauses in the Quran: 1- don’t question the Quran; 2 – those who become renegade and turn their backs to Allah and Islam must be put to death. Since I do not want to make this post too long and I do not want to digress from what I want to say either, I get to the point. God is going to destroy Islam everywhere. Time is up. Right through my adult life, I have had prophetic dreams which came true. Mostly those dreams involve important political figures, royalties and political events. As a matter of fact, I have had one dream about the Shah or rather his soul and that was years ago. Shah’s soul is quite restless for his country and he is not resting. I also dreamed of the Iranian Revolution some years before it happened. And I can tell you now that Iran will become a Christian nation before this century is over. Now, over thirty years ago, I had a dream in which Jesus appeared to me. Now Jesus did not appear to me as a man, but as the sun whose light filled my entire filed of vision and he said: “Islam is evil.” Several months ago, I had a dream in which a voice said that God was going to perform double mastectomy on Islamic nations. I have had many dreams about events that have already come to pass (Trump was one of them – I first dreamed about him in 2003) and some that have not yet happened, namely Israel becoming a superpower in the 23rd century with no Arab nation in existence; also earth being hit by a large asteroid; I do not know the date of that event, but I know the shape of the asteroid. A recent dream of mine told me to keep my eyes open on the 18th of January 2017. My dreams always come true without a fail.
G. R. Gunning says
Dream on.
Angemon says
Hi Ebionite. You posted:
“compare the level of education,scientific breakthrough and sophistication during shah and present islamic regime”
Please do that. I’ll point out that during the rule of the Sha, women had more rights than they have now. Under Khomeini and his successors, executions were carried out, the opposition was virtually wiped out and freedom of expression became a folk tale. From the 1979 Revolution until now, the Iranian regime has had no qualms jailing, torturing and murdering its own allies, supporters and citizens, persecuting minorities such as Zoroastrians, Christians or gays. Before the 1979 revolution, Iran was thriving economically and was considered the most powerful country in the Middle Eastern region.
“the iranians are determined to their assertiveness”
Indeed they are, Ebionite – hence the 2009 protests against the Regime.
“the issue of sunni-shia divide will be kept aside to face common challenge”
Ah, trying to drive home the point that you are not to be taken seriously, I see 🙂
How’s that “face common challenge” been working out for you and your Ebionite coreligionists in the last 1400 years? 😀
As usual, your comment is heavy in anti-Christian and anti-Western bigotry, rich in absurdity and has exactly zero substance. If one reads one of your comments, one has read them all.
Rob says
Following your comment, I must point out that the ONLY reason Islam survives at all, is it’s tendency to kill anyone who even THINKS about leaving; and everyone who dares too criticise it.
Under such tactics and constant threats, who would dare to be openly critical – let alone to apostatise?
What the West seems not to “get” is this crucial point; and until it does “get it”, boots out the Merkels and Obamas of this world; and Islam along with them, Islam will continue to survive and grow.
Champ says
“ibrahim itace muhammed” is a pathological LIAR …
And this is Jihad Watch: “Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts.”
This isn’t Christian Watch or Jew Watch, but Jihad Watch, since islam & company are our chief enemy whom propagate terrorism worldwide …NOT Christians or Jews.
gravenimage says
Appalling Muslim apologist ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
denis (sic) shah was fascist and ruthless ruler being a puphet (sic) of the west taking iranian (sic) resources to the west.
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Well, he was not democratic–but what Mohammedan would be? Still better than the Mullahs, though–at least he wasn’t stoning women to death. And the claim that he was “taking iranian resources to the west” is ridiculous.
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compare (sic) the level of education,scientific (sic) breakthrough and sophistication during shah (sic) and present islamic (sic) regime.
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Please do. Iran may not have been a first-world nation, but it was far more cosmopolitan and advanced then than it is now.
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shah (sic) used iranian (sic) resources and bought obsolete weapons from the west and stashed the rest in western economies.the (sic) islamic (sic) rulers say they will utilise their resources by themselves and good results are now glaring.
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What “good results” are those? The Mullahs are near economic collapse–or certainly were before the appeasing Obama nuke deal.
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the (sic) west followed with various punitive sanctions to retard the developement.but it will not work.the (sic) iranians (sic) are determined to their assertiveness.
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The idea that sanctions were intended to “retard the development” is ridiculous. They were put in place to address such barbarisms as Iran holding our diplomatic staff hostage.
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i (sic) am assuring you that all other muslim (sic) nations will later follow suit.
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That means muhammed here wants to see all of Dar-al-Islam as vicious theocracies enforcing brutal Shari’ah. This should not surprise.
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the (sic) issue of sunni-shia divide will be kept aside to face common challenge.
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In other words, Sunnis and Shia hate each other, but are willing to put aside their differences in order to slaughter Infidels. This has often been the case.
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in (sic) fact such divides are being promoted by the west to maintain the status quo of dominating muslim (sic) world.
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Well, that’s just ridiculous. Most civilized Infidels are not even much aware of internecine Muslim hatred, let alone exploiting it. Besides, why would pious Muslims follow anything the “filthy Infidels” have to say? Sunni and Shia have been butchering each other for over 1300 years now–since long before the modern West ever developed.
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note (sic), i (sic) am not a shia (sic) muslim (sic). but i know the difference between sunni (sic) and shia (sic) is not fundamental.it (sic) is a matter of difference in the interpretation of islamic (sic) sources.the differences have to be accomodated (sic) for general good of the umma.
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Not fundamental, huh? Tell your murderous coreligionists that. The Islamic State is committing genocide against minority Shia.
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mithraist (sic) christians(not (sic) monotheist followers of prophet isa)had(sic) the same schisms and they resolved them and sects are recognised.
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Firstly, this shows that Muslims do not consider Christians to be monotheists, and hence Muslims can slaughter them with impunity. And of course the genocidal “Isa” has nothing to do with the Jesus of the Gospels. Then, it shows that Christians are civilized people, and Mohammedans are not. And isn’t muhammed here tired of the ridiculous “mithraist” thing yet? This is ridiculous even by Muslim standards, which is saying a great deal.
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it (sic) is only minority muslim (sic) sect the followers of misguided abdulwab (sic), an (sic) jew,who (sic) insist not recognise (sic) differences in the interpretations to serve their sinister intention of weakening muslim (sic) umma for the benefit of christian (sic) west who sponsore (sic) them.wahhabism (sic) will soon lose followership (sic) among muslims.petrol (sic) dollars from corrupt saudi (sic) royal family cannot continue to sustain it.
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Where to start? The idea that Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab was “an jew” is just absurd–Wahhabism is orthodox Sunni Islam.
Then, the West had absolutely no presence in Arabia in the 18th century.
Even more to the point, the idea that the Sunni/Shia split dates to Wahhabism is ridiculous–these two sects had been slaughtering each other for 1200 years at this point–dating back to the murder of the last of the “Rightly Guided Caliphs”, Ali.
And it is hardly just Wahhabists who are calling for the murder of Shi’ites today. In fact, you find oppression and violence between these sects all over the world, and always have.
Why is Muslim Taqiyya often so ham-fisted? Likely it largely has to do with the Islamic rejection of reasoned thought.
G. R. Gunning says
His face says it all: Anger, hatred, power-mad and suffering from depression. A field day for a psychiatrist.
duh swami says
A real estate developer strikes terror into the hearts of the Ayatollah’s…
Obaa was no good at that, but they are gulping over ‘The Mighty Trump…
Angemon says
If Trump shreds the nuclear deal, a deal that at best only delays Iran’s intentions of getting their hands on a nuclear weapon, a weapon they made very clear will be used against Israel with the intent of destroying it, then Iran will start a world war and Israel will be destroyed.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t
You don’t “Make America Great Again” by simply measuring everything in dollars. Then again, what other sort of analyses one could expect of someone whose religion says that Christians refuse to acknowledge muhammad as a prophet because of their own greed and self-interests?
No, that’s just you, projecting. You keep attacking mock vessels and being openly hostile to American forces, who, under Obama administration RoE, pretty much had their hands tied behind their backs, and you’re starting to believe your own BS. Do you know what happens to a 150-lbs sack of s*** when the hot-air he’s floating on, miles above the ground, meets the cold winds of reality?
gravenimage says
Fine post.
Rob says
“…Any commander-in-chief worthy of defending this nation should be prepared to stand up on 20 January 2017 [inauguration day] and rip to shreds this catastrophic deal…”
While we agree with Mr Trump, that Obama’s capitulation to every Iranian demand was stupid; as was concluding the agreement without any pre-conditions that Iran release all political- and religious prisoners and the US hostages immediately, and stop supporting terror, there actually is no “agreement” to tear up…
Any deal which the “Supreme Leader” could overturn on a whim is worthless; and in any case, the Islamic concept of Taqiyya enables the Iranian regime to say anything, even to lie outright – as they indeed did do – to promote the furtherance of the Caliphate.
So far, we’ve seen Iran break the terms several times, all while their “Supreme Leader” makes public statements of “Death To America”; and the Nuclear Watchdog backs down in dhimmitude, the face of the superior Islamic regime.
Tom Cotton tried to reason with Congress that the Ayatollah’s words; and the arrest of US navy staff, the harassment of US ships and aircraft and the public mock destruction of a wooden US aircraft carrier and the printed statements about Israel’s destruction on their illegal missiles, proved his intention to show the middle finger to the agreement and to Obama.
Now that Obama has returned their billions; and paid the CASH ransom for the US hostages, they’re back to their old tricks.
Mr Netanyahu will do what Obama should have done – ensure that Iran’s nuclear ambitions are never realised. He’s the ONE world leader who demonstrably understands his duty to his citizens; and his neutralising of Iran as a nuclear threat will shame the world – especially Jimmy Carter and Obama: Carter for his stupidity; and Obama for his deliberate attempts (which few in the US appear to recognise) to further the global Caliphate of his hero, Muhammad.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Angemon, the days of the Islamic Republic of Iran are numbered. Read my post to ibrahim itace muhammed at 7.09 am.
DP111 says
Like all Muslims, Ira underestimates the power of the West, particularly the USA.
Iraq also thought they could defeat America. but what happened was a massacre of the Iraqi army. The only significant American casualties were due to Friendly Fire.
Jack Diamond says
A few chuckles remembering certain Arab Muslims in America giving dire predictions about what will happen when our forces come against the mighty army of Sadaam. Believing their own apocalyptic hyperbole seems to be de rigueur “among the believers.”
Keys says
Right, Saddam’s Republican Guard was to be ruthless and undeafable! Is this macho bragging part of Islamic or Arab culture?
Does this video allegory sum it up?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3I_Ds2ytz4o
ibrahim itace muhammed says
praeceptor maximus,you are an ignorant mithraist christian follower disturbing us with refereces to rubbish bible inspired by the devil.chek the origin of yahwe you said is the true name of god used by moses and jesus.yahwe was the name of idol like baal.true musa(moses)and isa(jesus) never used yahwe to mean god the creator of all ,because they never worshiped idol.they refer to god as allah or alah in amharic.christians and jews refered to god as allah before islam.thus, the use of yahwe was later imported to deceive followers .so, continue insulting allah until you die.you will see who is true god.devil will appear to you that he is yahwe the idol you call true god,he is false god.the true god is allah and you insulted him.get ready for permanent torment until he (devil) meet you inside hottest stream of hellfire on last day. see bart erhman on the origin of yahwe.
ilan b says
the problem with you Muslims that you truly don’t understand the depths of your ignorance.
listen friend the word in Arabic referring to god is Ila hens the expression la illah Ila Allah.
ila=god in Arabic and Allah is a Babylonian moon god that the quraysh worshiped in the Kaaba.
Allah was one out of many idols that the quraysh worshiped and even Muhammad admitted in the satanic verses that he surrendered to the demands of his tribe to convert them to Islam.
the haj to mecca is just a continues of the pagan ceremony of the quraysh, hens the seven laps and the rubbing of the black meteorite.
you have a lot of reading and caching up to do before you start understanding real history.
Praeceptor Maximus says
ilan b
Thank you for your wonderful response to this demon-possessed Satan-worshiping Muslim ibrahim itace muhammed. He will soon join his false prophet Muhammad and his followers who are all in hell. No quarter will be given to anyone who dies a Muslim.
Jack Diamond says
rubbish bible inspired by the devil? The Qur’an affirms that the Bible was sent down from God as a “reminder” and a “guidance and a light.” Would you need the references, imam, that the Qur’an affirms that? Now do tell us, given that, how those revealed scriptures from God were falsified and became the “rubbish bible inspired by the devil”? Where did the falsification happen, who did it, in what language was it changed and falsified? Before you try to answer, keep in mind the Vatican codex is dated 250 years before Islam, the Sinian codex discovered in the Sinai dates 200 years before Islam, as does the Alexandrian codex, and the discoveries in the caves of the Qumran Valley in Jordan, dated six centuries before Islam, none of which show any alterations or differences in the holy books.
Explain again your statement, “rubbish bible inspired by the devil.”
Then explain another funny thing. The Holy Bible (sent by God as affirmed in the Qur’an) says: “a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,” Titus 1:2 and “because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.” Hebrews 6:17-18
Catch that? God does not lie. It is impossible for God to lie.
Who does lie? Jesus says: “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44
God cannot be a liar. But the devil is a liar.
Now explain this. “Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)” S. 3:54; cf. 8:30. “Are they then secure from Allah’s deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah’s deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish.” S. 7:99
“And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is Allah’s (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end.” S. 13:42
and as explained by Ibn Ishaq: “they plotted and God plotted, and is the best of plotters.’ i.e. I deceived them with My firm guile so that I delivered you from them. (The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 323)
Allah deceives and schemes and uses guile and therefore LIES. Clearly you must have your god and devil mixed up. Which explains why someone like Muhammad is his prophet.
Praeceptor Maximus says
Jack Diamond, thank you for your excellent and informative response to our Satan-worshiping Muslim here.
gravenimage says
Yet more from ibrahim itace muhammed:
praeceptor (sic) maximus,you (sic) are an ignorant mithraist (sic) christian (sic) follower disturbing us with refereces (sic) to rubbish bible (sic) inspired by the devil.chek (sic) the origin of yahwe (sic) you said is the true name of god used by moses (sic) and jesus.yahwe (sic) was the name of idol like baal.
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Actually, no. This was the original Judaic name for God. Whereas “Al Illah” was the name of the local pagan Arabic idol.
But note: Muslims claim that the Torah and the Gospels were “corrupted”, and were originally as horrifically violent as the Qur’an.
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true (sic) musa(moses)and isa(jesus) (sic) never used yahwe (sic) to mean god the creator of all ,because (sic) they never worshiped idol.
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Muslims consider “Musa” and “Isa” to be Muslim prophets, and to have nothing to do with Judaism and Christianity. In fact in Islam, “Jesus” was not just not the Savior, he is not a healer or a peacemaker, either. Instead, his role is to *slaughter Christians* in the last days.
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they (sic) refer to god as allah (sic) or alah (sic) in amharic.christians (sic) and jews (sic) refered(sic) to god as allah (sic) before islam (sic).
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Of course, Moses did not speak Amharic–how ignorant *is* this mohammedan?
Amharic is spoken by Ethiopians. (An aside, but Oakland, California, where I live, has the largest population of Amharic speakers in the United States–and, so far as I know, the only public library section devoted to books in that language).
Moses spoke Hebrew and Egyptian. In Hebrew, God would indeed have been YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה). It is frequently anglicized as Jehovah or–yes–Yahweh.
Jesus did not speak Amharic, either–but Aramaic and Hebrew. In Aramaic, the word for God is ʼĔlāhā.
It is Christian Arabs who use the word Allah for God–but this is not the vicious Allah of the Qur’an, anymore than “Gott”, used by German Christians, is the same as the brutal pagan Wōtan.
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thus (sic), the use of yahwe (sic) was later imported to deceive followers .
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What claptrap. Yahweh is perfectly accurate.
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so, (sic) continue insulting allah (sic) until you die.you (sic) will see who is true god.devil (sic) will appear to you that he is yahwe (sic) the idol you call true god,he (sic) is false god.the (sic) true god is allah (sic) and you insulted him.get (sic) ready for permanent torment until he (devil) meet you inside hottest stream of hellfire on last day.
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The usual unhinged Muslim threats. Besides, Muslims already consider us damned for not embracing the vicious warlord, pedophile, slaver, rapist, caravan-raider and mass murderer Muhammed. The use of the term Yahweh is not a special grievance.
The fact is that Christians know that the word used for God is far less important than knowing his loving nature–something Muslims will sadly never grasp until they question their vicious creed.
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see bart (sic) erhman (sic) on the origin of yahwe (sic).
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Actually, Bert Erhman confirms that YHWH was the word for God in the Torah:
In the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament) God is given a number of different designations. Sometimes he is called God (the Hebrew word is El, or more commonly – by far – the plural form of that word, ELOHIM); or The Almighty (SHADDAI), or God Almighty (EL SHADDAI), or Lord (ADONAI), or – well, or lots of other things. But sometimes the God of Israel is actually given his personal name. Like everyone else, he has a name. And his name was יהוה (in English letters, that looks like YHWH).
https://ehrmanblog.org/is-jehovah-in-the-bible/
Cecilia Ellis says
Superb post, Graven!
gravenimage says
Thank you, Cecilia.
Praeceptor Maximus says
gravenimage,
Thank you for your wonderful response to our ignorant demon-possessed Muslim here. No word of truth can penetrate their ears because Satan has got his fingers right in their ears.
Charles says
So! These horrific muslims want to start a World War! What a surprise.
My I suggest a preemptive Nuclear Strike?
Sterilize the entire area. Once it is again safe, encourage the Jews to expand into it. Keep all “Satanic Muslims” out!
Then I would feel safe visiting the region.
CHEERS! ?
R Russell says
Why would the Jews want to live anywhere but the land given to in perpetuity by YHWH their God?
El Cid says
That was very clear. Summary:
1. We are prepared to destroy your interests
2. We are prepared to protect ours
3. We are ready to make a better deal.
What did you see?
Walter Sieruk says
Iran’s defense minister in his make the claim that Donald Trump “could trigger world war” by disregarding the Obama ,Kerry deal with Iran.. The threat shows ,again, that the old saying is true .Which is that “Evil is always looking for and excuse.” For the future President Trump to legally and officially declare invalid that hoax , farce and a disaster of a “deal.” Is just as good as an excuse as any for that heinously sinister “mullah regime.” to fire weapons against American ships. All this concerning that threat by Iran defense minster and the so called “deal ” that was the result of much weak compromising of Obama and Kerry is a further reminder of the truism spoken by Franklin D Roosevelt when he rightfully declared “There has never been – there never can be – successful compromise between good and evil.”
Errol kelly says
Or the destruction of IRAN. HMMMM