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Jimmy Carter, Lord Caradon, the Palestine Mandate, and Resolution 242 (Part II)

Dec 5, 2016 1:48 pm By Hugh Fitzgerald

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Jimmy Carter treats a sentence from the non-binding preamble to Resolution 242 as if it were a binding part of the Resolution itself. He thinks that the phrase about the “inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” applies to Israel, when examination of the Mandate for Palestine reveals that it is Jordan, not Israel, that is claiming territory in the “West Bank” based on its acquisition by war (in 1949). Carter then asserts that the other key words of Resolution 242 are these: “the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.” He wants you to think that this means that Israel is required to withdraw from “all the territories” that it won in the 1967 war. And indeed, the Arab diplomats at the U.N. sought, repeatedly, to have the words “the” or “all the” inserted before “territories.” But they failed.

The chief drafter of Resolution 242 was Lord Caradon (Hugh M. Foot), the permanent representative of the United Kingdom to the United Nations from 1964-1970. At the time of the Resolution’s discussion and subsequent unanimous passage, and on many occasions since, Lord Caradon always insisted that the phrase “from the territories” quite deliberately did not mean “all the territories,” but merely some of the territories:

Much play has been made of the fact that we didn’t say “the” territories or “all the” territories. But that was deliberate. I myself knew very well the 1967 boundaries and if  we had put in the “the” or “all the” that could only have meant that we wished to see the 1967 boundaries perpetuated in the form of a permanent frontier. This I was certainly not prepared to recommend.

On another occasion, to an interviewer from the Journal of Palestine Studies (Spring-Summer 1976), he again insisted on the deliberateness of the wording. He was asked:

The basis for any settlement will be United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, of which you were the architect. Would you say there is a contradiction between the part of the resolution that stresses the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and that which calls for Israeli withdrawal from “occupied territories,” but not from “the occupied territories”?

Nota bene: “from territories occupied” is not the same thing as “from occupied territories” – the first is neutral, the second a loaded description. Lord Caradon answered:

I defend the resolution as it stands. What it states, as you know, is first the general principle of inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. That means that you can’t justify holding onto territory merely because you conquered it. We could have said: well, you go back to the 1967 line. But I know the 1967 line, and it’s a rotten line. You couldn’t have a worse line for a permanent international boundary. It’s where the troops happened to be on a certain night in 1948. It’s got no relation to the needs of the situation.

“Had we said that you must go back to the 1967 line, which would have resulted if we had specified a retreat from all the occupied territories, we would have been wrong.”

Note how Lord Caradon says that “you can’t justify holding onto territory merely because you conquered it,” with that “merely” applying to Jordan, but not to Israel, because of the Mandate’s explicit provisions allocating the territory known now as the “West Bank” to the Jewish state. Note, too, the firmness of his dismissal of the 1967 lines as nothing more than “where the troops happened to be on a certain night in 1948,” that is, nothing more than armistice lines and not internationally recognized borders.

Jimmy Carter thus misreads and misleads, in every important particular, Resolution 242. He misidentifies a statement of principle in the non-binding preamble as among the “key words” of the Resolution itself. He twists the meaning of the phrase “from territories” intended by its chief author, Lord Caradon, to ensure that there would be no retreat to the pre-1967 armistice lines, to “all the territories.” He fails to mention the record of Israeli withdrawals from 95% of the territories won in the Six-Day War and the great sacrifice Israel made in giving back to Egypt the entire Sinai peninsula, together with billions of dollars of oilfields, air bases, and the resort at Sharm el-Sheik. He fails to mention that that very Sinai had been the launching pad for Egyptian attacks in 1948, 1967, and 1973, and for thousands of attacks by Egyptian Fedayeen from 1949 until 1956, when the Sinai campaign put an end to them.

Israel might have stopped there, after giving back that 95% of territories won, but chose to give up the entire Gaza Strip as well, closing down all the settlements that had been created there as a defensive barrier, and handing over to the Gazan Arabs extensive greenhouses in the hope that they might make good use of them, but instead the Gazan Arabs chose to destroy them. This is hardly the record of unbroken land grab by the Israelis.

Carter paints a damning picture of Israel as the obstacle to peace by failing to mention any of this yielding of territory. Instead, he complains, “Israel is building more and more settlements, displacing Palestinians and entrenching its occupation of Palestinian lands.” Apparently he is unfamiliar with the fact that Jewish “settlements” are approved by the Israeli government only after a rigorous investigation to see if the land in question is considered to be “state or waste lands” that, by Article 6 of the Mandate, are explicitly to be used for Jewish settlements:

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

In building on “state and waste lands,” there has been no “displacing” of “Palestinians.” By definition, “state and waste lands” are those to which no individual has valid title. The procedure for getting approval for a “settlement” from the Israeli government is long and arduous. First, notice is given for private parties to produce evidence of ownership. If no valid titles are produced, the parcel of land is regarded as “state and waste lands.” In a few cases, settlements on private land have been deemed legal, but only if they were determined to be a military necessity. In those cases, the original owner retains title to the land and must be paid rental fees for its use.

That scrupulous reliance on decisions of the Israeli Supreme Court, that solicitousness for the rights of Arab owners, paints a very different picture from that which Jimmy Carter offers of Israel “displacing Palestinians and entrenching its occupation of Palestinian lands.” There has been hardly any “displacement,” and what Carter calls the “occupation of Palestinian lands” misleads. One more time (it can’t be repeated often enough): these are not “Palestinian lands,” but territory allocated in 1922 to the Palestine Mandate, which had as its exclusive aim the creation of the Jewish National Home. And Article 6 (see above) required of the Mandatory (Great Britain) that it both “facilitate Jewish immigration” and “encourage …close settlement by Jews on the land, including State and waste lands.”

The Israeli claim under the Mandate is further buttressed by the requirement, set out in Resolution 242, for “secure and defensible borders.” If Israel were to be pushed back within the pre-1967 armistice lines, with an 8-mile wide waist from Qalqilya in the West Bank to the sea, and lose control of the Judean and Samarian hills, this sliver of a country would have great difficulty defending itself, and would have to remain in a permanent state of high alert, of a degree and kind that no other country has ever been asked to endure.

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  1. Westman says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    The best solution for peace with “Palestinians” would be an adequate piece of Jordan. There will be no two-state solution inside current Israel. Get a detailed map and try to define the border between two states in current Israel. All the political talk of a two-state solution is cynical or delusional.

    Why is it that Arab countries don’t want Palestinians – their Islamic “brothers”? Iran claims jihad on behalf of “Palestinians” yet takes none. SA, Egypt, etc. don’t want them.

    Could it be that the real intent is the annihilation of Israeli Jews packaged as concern for “Palestinians”?

    And Mr. Carter thinks some discussion or mandate will mollify Islam’s ideological hatred for Jews?

    • Carol says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 4:37 pm

      How true that is, well said.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 7:21 pm

      Good points all.

      Of course, the Arab countries and Egypt each pursue their own interests, and use the Arabic-speaking “refugees” from West of the Jordan for their own cynical purposes.

      Arab countries have withheld citizenship and real economic participation from most of their “Palestinian” pawns, who have been rotting and breeding in “refugee camps” for 3 generations, enabled by the corrupt UNRWA with Western taxpayer money. Imagine if the great-grandchildren of World War II refugees in the U.S. were still shunned as second-class aliens.

      In reality, “Palestinians” from West of the Jordan were never regarded as full Arabs, nor indeed as real Muslims by the Arab Muslims of Saudi Arabia nor even those in Jordan, to say nothing of the bizarre tribal rulers of the Gulf “monarchies” who have their own ethnic insecurities to contend with.

      Similarly, the Egyptians have always had a healthy distrust of their Arabic-speaking heterogeneous neighbors in Gaza.

    • Larry says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 10:27 pm

      There already is an adequate piece of Jordan, it’s called The Hashemite Arab Kingdom of Jordan.

      That’s the second state in the two state solution, and it’s been there since the 1920s.

      The only reason the arabs, the fakestinians, and muslims in general object to Israel is because it exists and Jews live there. They don’t NEED any other excuse or reason.

      • Baucent says

        Dec 6, 2016 at 3:43 am

        Exactly right. “Jordan” was the invented land set aside for Arabs living in the “Holy land” at the time the Ottoman Empire administration was being wound up. They already have a “Palestinian homeland”, it’s called Jordan. And they know it, take a look at the flag of Jordan and the flag the “Palestinians” use, they are identical.

    • A Harris USA says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 2:04 pm

      Hope these old fools die off and stop doing damage. They will never face the fact of Islam being the major cause of terror, death, and this constant pity for terrorists, is a disease.. they will never be cured of.

      • Alexis X says

        Dec 9, 2016 at 2:37 am

        Well old man Carter did have brain cancer, which was cured by an Israeli drug…. Israel gave the old fool a bit longer to live, to incite and spite….

    • J D S says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      I’m not a New but I will always believe that Israel should VICIOUSLY OCCUPY ALL of the PROMISED land,By FORCE if necessary…The “Jewish State” ,is not the land promised by God..It was decreed by the UN…and I don’t think the UN dictates God’s promises.

      • J D S says

        Dec 6, 2016 at 10:32 pm

        New should read Jew in.my post

  2. DFD says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    Hi Folks,

    a bit off topic, as I occasionally am, but I think the links below are of interest to quite a few of us. All English subtitles, found on Ezra Levant’s excellent site:

    Destruction of a church in Jerusalem
    https://youtu.be/bqQ6O6vtj2Q

    Bulgarian doctor about diseases among the Hijrians, and weaponized diseases.
    https://youtu.be/nqV3IslFifw

    Some Italians being cheesed off, understandably, about a ‘secret mosque’ in their condominium.
    https://youtu.be/_G9fPgOuizs

  3. Judi says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    The joke is this old b…ard is being kept alive by drugs developed in Israel.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 7:23 pm

      Where is the International Jewish Conspiracy when you need it?

    • LB says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 8:23 am

      The irony of life. Literally.

  4. Oliver says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    Who cares what Jimmy carter thinks or says?

    Back, when one of the George Bush’s was prs. (I forgot which one) carter met with Assad in Damascus.

    Carter told Assad that he (Assad) was a MORE LEGITIMATE LEADER THAN THE PRES. OF THE U.S.)– because–blah, blah, blah. (As far as I know, only a WSJ blog reported this). (With the comment, could he have been bitter, because as a sitting Pres,.-he LOST 44 of the 50 states in a bid for re–election?
    ————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    Then, about a year or so ago, he agreed with Fidel Castro that Israel started and was funding ISIS.

    —————————————————————————————————————————————–

    So, why listen to anything that he says.

    I think that he is suffering from dementia. Just my views

  5. Angemon says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Poor, sad old man – doesn’t Carter have a loving family that tells him when he’s not making sense?…

    • Oliver says

      Dec 7, 2016 at 9:11 pm

      Angemon-he has a nephew-I beleive the son of his late drunk brother, Billy, who ran for governor of Ga., a few years ago- and was soundly defeated.

      he had ” secret plans” for- everything. (I live in FL., hate Georgia- spent 6 months there in the army got to hate it all; although I later lived in Atlanta for a few months). Still hated it. But, I followed-somewhat, that election

  6. Custos Custodum says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    Sorry to be pedantic but at the start of the 1973 war, all of Sinai was still in Israeli hands. The war started with an Egyptian incursion INTO Sinai from the West, across the Suez Canal.

    that that very Sinai had been the launching pad for Egyptian attacks in 1948, 1967, and 1973,

    • Hugh Fitzgerald says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 4:10 am

      I should have rephrased what I wrote to make things clearer. What I meant was that the Sinai was the territory from or through which Egyptian forces had to move to attack Israel. That’s why Israel’s giving it all up, in three tranches, to Sadat, was such a sacrifice. I certainly did not mean that in 1973 the Israelis had already given up the Sinai. Thank you for pointing out that unintentional confusion.

      • Custos Custodum says

        Dec 6, 2016 at 12:23 pm

        Thank you, Mr. Fitzgerald, for the careful and serious response!

        Mr. Fitzgerald’s response shows once again that JW is a serious and trustworthy medium, unlike, say, Carlos Slim’s New York Times, the “Dirty Digger’s” WSJ, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, and the friendly local newspaper near you.

        • Oliver says

          Dec 7, 2016 at 9:14 pm

          I am/was under the impression that Carlos Slim ONLY bought The New York Times building, for $100 million, and then leased it back to the newspaper. Not that he bought the newspaper. (Which, I BELIEVE, is publicly traded-not sure).

          The sale/leaseback was in a commercial real estate newsletter when the deal was done. The N. Y. Times is bleeding red ink by the gallons , with falling readership and rapidly declining advertising revenues.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 7, 2016 at 8:49 pm

        Yes–Israel’s giving up the Sinai and Gaza as peace offerings have done her no good.

  7. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    mr hugh fitzgerald, on legal point of view you are wrong while mr carter is right.un resolusion 242 passed pursuant to un charter is to the effect that invasion cannot confer exclusive title to invaded territories.the un charter prohibits ejection of the original inhabitants of those invaded territoritories.jews are invaders of palestinian land.there is no cogent and irrefutable evidence to prove that jews came to the land before the palestinians for them to reclaim it.the filthy christian bible(the book of genocide and phornography)and evil jewish scriptures only talk of promised land.that will not give jews exclusive right over it for them eject the palestinians they found there.according to evil bible the jews were commanded by god to erase the inhabitants they found there.this command is not from god,but human invention to serve selfish interest.and moreso the un charter i mentioned ealier does not allow this savagery.thus, the jews have no valid claim of exclusive ownership of these territories for them to eject palestinians from any part of them.i wonder why filthy christians from the west are religiously backing evil jews’s illegal claim of exclusive ownership of these territories against palestinians.afterall palestinian christians are the custodian of christian holy cites on the land.the jews reject christianity and even insult christian god(jesus)by calling him the son of a whore(mary) and false messiah.yet filthy western christians love jews more than palestinian christians.why?is that not a stupidity?

    • Oliver says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 7:57 pm

      There have been numerous wars, and territory annexed, form 1948 onward. WHY IS ISRAEL THE ONLY NATION SINGLED OUT?

      My view, the useless nations is just that–useless.

      The hell with Carter and the useless nations.

      Where was the Useless Nations when the Tutus and the Hutus were killing each other?

      In Uganda-? In the South Sudan? In–in–in–
      why were there no resolutions about those- many of which ( the Hutu/Tutus was ethnic cleansing/genocide–both sides wanted to wipe the other out).

      Why pick on Israel? less then 5% of the land in the M. E.– and a higher living standard than the rest. More educated people then (probably) the rest combined. More startups then any nations (except for the US) in high tech. With a population of what? 10 million?

      Egypt has 100 million or so; Iran probably 40-50 million.

      Let them take in their Muslim brothers.

      The Muslims started the wars- 1948; `956; 1967; 1973; MUSLIMS LOST; ISRAEL WON. TO THE VICTORS BELONG THE SPOILS.

      Screw the useless nations. Turn their NYC complex into a homeless shelter, or a hospice.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 9:07 pm

      More from foul Muslim apologist ibrahim itace muhammed:

      jews (sic) are invaders of palestinian (sic) land.there is no cogent and irrefutable evidence to prove that jews (sic) came to the land before the palestinians (sic) for them to reclaim it.
      ………………………….

      Of course, this is absurd. There is at least 3000 years of continuous Jewish history in the Levant.

      The Romans had no special love for the Jews–just look at their destruction of the Temple there–but they kept accurate records, which clearly testify to the Jewish presence there.

      More:

      the (sic) filthy christian (sic) bible(the (sic) book of genocide and phornography)and (sic) evil jewish (sic) scriptures only talk of promised land.that (sic) will not give jews (sic) exclusive right over it for them eject the palestinians (sic) they found there.
      ………………………….

      Of course, Judaism is *much* older than Islam. There were no “Palestinians” in the Levant during Moses’ time.

      And note what muhammed here considers “phornography”–verses such as “love thy neighbor as thyself”. Muslim “values”…

      More:

      according (sic) to evil bible (sic) the jews (sic) were commanded by god (sic) to erase the inhabitants they found there.this (sic) command is not from god,but (sic) human invention to serve selfish interest.and moreso (sic) the un (sic) charter i (sic) mentioned ealier (sic) does not allow this savagery.
      ………………………….

      How perverse–it is not modern Jews who have rejected the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, but *Muslims*, who have replaced it with “The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam”, which enshrines oppression against all non-Muslims.

      More:

      thus, (sic) the jews (sic) have no valid claim of exclusive ownership of these territories for them to eject palestinians (sic) from any part of them.
      ………………………….

      Except that they haven’t. There are plenty of Muslims in Israel, and they enjoy equal rights there.

      It was, instead, Muslim nations that expelled Jews in 1948–many of whom had lived there for hundreds of years.

      More projection from the Mohammedan.

      More:

      i wonder why filthy christians (sic) from the west are religiously backing evil jews’s illegal claim of exclusive ownership of these territories against palestinians.afterall (sic) palestinian (sic) christians (sic) are the custodian of christian (sic) holy cites on the land.
      ………………………….

      Well, this is especially perverse. Muslims have been oppressing and slaughtering the Christian population of the Middle East for centuries now, and continue to do so in the “Palestinian Territories”. In fact, there are few Christians still surviving there.

      The *only* place in the region where Christians and Christian sites are safe is in Israel itself. muhammed’s coreligionists are using Christian girls as sex slaves in the Islamic State.

      More:

      the jews (sic) reject christianity (sic) and even insult christian (sic) god(jesus)by (sic) calling him the son of a whore(mary) (sic) and false messiah.yet (sic) filthy western christians (sic) love jews (sic) more than palestinian (sic) christians.why?is (sic) that not a (sic) stupidity?
      ………………………….

      Where to start? The idea that Muslims “respect” Jesus is quite false–in fact, they ridicule and murder Christians for asserting that he is the Son of God. Jews do not threaten Christians for this belief, though they may not share it.

      What Muslims actually respect is not Jesus but the Muslim “Isa”–a figure that is *nothing* like the Jesus of the Gospels, and whose role in the the last days is to *kill Christians.

      Supporting both Jews and Christians is not a contradiction, as muhammed implies, because these are both civilized people–unlike ravening Mohammedans.

      The idea that Christians are better off under the Muslim heel than living in democratic Israel is just ludicrous–just ask Christian sex slaves in the Islamic State…

      • epistemology says

        Dec 5, 2016 at 11:04 pm

        Muzzies always distort the facts. They consider themselves being the true children of Abraham which is preposterous, Abraham sent their forefather his son Ishmael away because he had misbehaved. But muzzies claim they’re the true followers of Allah who’s a moon idol. Everything in Islam is fake, immoral and scum

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 7, 2016 at 9:24 pm

          So true, epistemology.

      • Custos Custodum says

        Dec 6, 2016 at 12:28 pm

        Thanks, gravenimage, for the patient take-down.

      • LR says

        Dec 6, 2016 at 3:14 pm

        graven…

        Thanks for your postings…They are good breakdowns/responses that help me learn a little more about some of these messes.

        When I read posts like ‘muhammad’s’…There is that experience of, ‘Oh my God’…

        His perversity is abhorant…Ugh.

        Sadly, there are many people in my area, that believe and support people like him…another Ugh!

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 7, 2016 at 9:25 pm

        Thank you so much, Custos and LR. Hope you both are well.

    • Baucent says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 3:49 am

      You are are foul mouthed one aren’t you. Go wash your mouth out with soap. I won’t even address the garage you spew.

  8. Troybeam says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    Jimmy Carter, have questions on what he has disclosed to this party during and after his presidency. What deals did he broker with them? Is it in America’s best interest that he keeps company with this party as they have stated they want to destroy Israel and the United States. Perhaps on his next visit his passport be confiscated as he’s leaving the United States. he’s no loyal American that’s for sure.

  9. mortimer says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    All the kings of Jordan, except the present one have said, ‘Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.’

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 9:09 pm

      Very true, Mortimer. The “Palestinians” already have their state, and it is Jordan.

    • Oliver says

      Dec 7, 2016 at 9:20 pm

      Back in the early 1970’s (70, 71 or 72) the “Palestinians” decided (in Sept.) to take over Jordan. The “Palestinians ” were decimated– I don’t recall the numbers– BUT WAY MORE THAN ISRAEL HAS KILLED.

      That was BLACK SEPTEMBER. (The name was given by the “Palestinians”, as they meant

      Could not ahve g it to be a black Sept. for the Jordanians. Rather, was for them.

      Could not have happened to a more deserving group- and would love to see it again- and this time, Hezbollah and Iranians killed along with them. Preferably by the tens of thousands.

  10. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    stupid oliver, does the international law, more particularly the un charter, allows this kind of brigandage as mode of acquiring territory?you are saying resolution no. 242 is discriminatory against evil zionists whom you are saying are more educated and developed than the rest of the region.does that give them immunity from being subject to the dictates of internationally accepted norms?you are saying might is always right.is that acceptable to law?the evil jews have been committing crimes against humanity and being shielded by the united states by the use of veto power.is that not abominable?will that continue forever?apartheid white south africans were called to order and the system abolished?why jews should be exempted?the reason may be that they are the children of your mithraist god the devil.the tutsis who committed genocide and other crimes against humanity were apprehended and punished.the jews have been massacring palestinians,demolishing their homes,yet no single punitive action was taken against them.you are now telling us that they are more civilised than other people in the region.is that your own definition of being civilised.you are idiot to the core

    • Larry says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 10:30 pm

      Hundreds of years of precedent in civilized countries says that if you take land in a defensive war you can keep it.

      Note that thing about “civilized”, it doesn’t apply to muslims, who aren’t civilized and never have been, merely squatters in the ruins of their betters.

    • epistemology says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 3:21 am

      Israel is the only civilized country in the region, no doubt about that. Islam is as civilized as Nazism, they’re two ideologies of a kind. The so-called palis, the Roman emperor Hadrian named the country so after the Philistines, a Greek(!) tribe who were extinct for 200 years in Hadrian’s days had nothing to do with the muzzie Arab invaders living in the country today. The motherfucker caliph Omar invaded the country in the 7th century shortly after the death of the self-appointed prophet (piss be upon him).

      In Israel all citizens are equal, there are even palis in the Knesset. Ibrahim your stupidity is combined with ignorance, but that’s nothing unusual for a muzzie. So keep quiet about things you don’t know and you’re too stupid to understand the ramifications anyway.

    • Baucent says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 3:55 am

      Try telling Russia, a UN Security Council member to return the Japanese Islands they took in 1945. They haven’t returned them, and they never will. So why should a different standard of “international law” be applied to Israel? They acquired the land from an aggressor, Jordan. Seems to me that’s the price you pay when who wage war and lose.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 7, 2016 at 9:43 pm

      The appalling ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:

      stupid (sic) oliver (sic), does the (sic) international law, more particularly the un (sic) charter (sic), allows (sic) this kind of brigandage (sic) as (sic) mode of acquiring territory?
      ……………………………

      Notice that muhammed has *no* problem with surrounding Muslim countries attacking Israel and trying to destroy her. But then, why would he? This is perfectly Islamic.

      More:

      you (sic) are saying resolution no. 242 is discriminatory against evil zionists (sic) whom you are saying are more educated and developed than the rest of the region.does (sic) that give them immunity from being subject to the dictates of internationally accepted norms?you (sic) are saying might is always right.is (sic) that acceptable to (sic) law?
      ……………………………

      That isn’t what he is saying at all, of course. Muslims have violated Resolution 242 many times–but then, Muslims have been violating treaties since the day of the foul “Prophet”.

      More:

      the (sic) evil jews (sic) have been committing crimes against humanity and being shielded by the united (sic) states (sic) by the use of veto power.is (sic) that not abominable?will (sic) that continue forever?
      ……………………………

      What “crimes” would that be? Living in freedom as Jews? Certainly, pious Muslims want to see an end to *that*.

      More:

      apartheid (sic) white south africans (sic) were called to order and the system abolished?why (sic) jews should be exempted?
      ……………………………

      Of course, there is no apartheid in Israel. Instead, it is Muslim countries that oppress and persecute Christians and other Infidels. There is no equality under Islamic law.

      More:

      the (sic) reason may be that they are the children of your mithraist (sic) god (sic) the devil.
      ……………………………

      More unhinged ranting against Jews and Christians.

      More:

      the tutsis (sic) who committed genocide and other crimes against humanity were apprehended and punished.the (sic) jews (sic) have been massacring palestinians,demolishing (sic) their homes,yet no single punitive action was taken against them.
      ……………………………

      Some “genocide”–the Muslim population in Israel has *grown*–whereas, most of the surrounding Muslim countries are Judenrein or nearly so, and the Christian population is also being driven out, forcibly converted, and murdered outright.

      Israel, in contrast, has no problem with Muslims so long as they are not trying to murder Infidels there.

      More:

      you (sic) are now telling us that they are more civilised than other people in the region.is that your own definition of being civilised.you (sic) are idiot to the core
      ……………………………

      Well, yes–we consider democracy, equality before the law, and general decency to be civilized.

      Is it any surprise that this Mohammedan has no idea what this concept means? Not to me.

  11. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 6, 2016 at 3:04 am

    larry,how civilised filthy christians and evil jews are?those having indiscriminate sex like animals?those having sex with animals?those whose ladies do not know how to use pure water to clean remnants of sperm after sex,remnants of excrement and blood after menses,thereby accumulating to produce horrible bad smells to cause us vomit whenever we come nearer to them?those with the same sex marriages and adopt children produced from baby factories(bastards? those uncircumcised males with foreskins producing horrible bad smells?.it is even a punishment for clean muslims to stay in the same place with you dirty christians and jews due to very bad smells coming out of your bodies.you are not different from dirty hindus,budhists and other pagans in terms of very bad smells.your father the devil will not allow you to clean because he is also dirty and horribly smelly. thus, islamic way of life enjoyable and pleasant ,while your way of live is punishing and disturbing.you are being punished right from this world.your punishments in hellfire in the life hereafter will be the worst.you could never realise that your beast way of life is punishing until you become muslims and taste islamic way of life.i could remember one christian family in the west converted to islam and became clean.they met the imam and told him that they had been suffering under the yoke of their former filthy horrible religion(christianity).they are now enjoying life.the imam told them that it was devil punishing them due to their association with him and they could no realise it

    • Champ says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 3:29 am

      Time to ban this clown …

      • Baucent says

        Dec 6, 2016 at 3:58 am

        I agree, he’s no longer an amusing loopy muslim. He wallows in the sewer, send him back there.

      • LB says

        Dec 6, 2016 at 8:36 am

        Why would you want to ban him? This muhamed guy is the perfect example of how inept and illiterate most muslims are. Their inarticulate propaganda ravings about “evil zionists” just proves how JW and Robert Spencer (along with all other contributors to this site) are right about everything islam-related. In fact, I would pin these to the top and let the people see exactly who it is we’re dealing with.

        Besides, JW has always stood for freedom of speech, and as long as he doesn’t threaten to physically harm someone, he can stay. We’re better than our leftist counterparts who seek to quell free speech (aka anti-islam speech) altogether.

        • LR says

          Dec 6, 2016 at 11:11 pm

          He is kind of entertaining..Hope he is in SA, and not hangin’ anywhere too close to ‘The West’…

        • Champ says

          Dec 7, 2016 at 9:29 pm

          “Why would you want to ban him?”

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Because he’s a distraction and not the least bit “entertaining” …

          And it’s just a matter of time before he’s banned—tick, tock!

    • epistemology says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 3:33 am

      You muzzies are incestuous filthy scumbags, that’s why you’re all mentally retarded. We the Jews were in Erez Israel before you invaded the country, it’s Jewish land your self-appointed prophet was never in Jerusalem, he only enjoyed raping Jewish women like Safiya whose husband and father he had killed and tortured before he raped the innocent orphan and widow. Mahound was a fucking scumbag. Read your own hadiths they admit that he was a horny rapist bastard, unable to control himself.

    • Bob says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 7:40 am

      Ibrahim – “Itis even a punishment for clean muslims to stay in the same place with you dirty Christians and Jews…” followed by more such nonsense clap-trap. Please be assured that we “dirty Christians and Jews” would very much prefer it if you were to remove yourselves to some muslim sandpit where you can enjoy yourselves with goats and small boys “like pearls.” We don’t need or want you – odd that islamic countries refuse to take in muslim ‘refugees’ isn’t it?!

    • American Pragmatism says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 2:19 pm

      Jesus accepted punishment for our all sins, forever.

    • American Pragmatism says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 2:20 pm

      Jesus accepted punishment for all sins, forever for those who believe.

    • Oliver says

      Dec 7, 2016 at 9:26 pm

      ibraham

      IT IS MUSLIMS WHO HAVE SEX WITH ANIMALS. There was a study, a few years back-I THINK JW had a post on it-most watched porn in different countries. IN MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES BESTIALITY AND RAPE WERE TIED FOR FIRST PLACE.

      NEXT: JEWS HAVE HAD “MIKVAHS” 9 RITUAL BATH HOUSES; SEGREGATED BY GENDER, OR DIFFERENT DAYS OR DIFFERENT TIMES FOR EACH GENDER- DEPENDING UPON ITS SIZE, FOR OVER 3,000 YEARS .

      Women went there ( especially in the olden days–before indoor plumbing in houses) after their period. And at other times.

      You are confusing the shit that is Islam with civilized people. Go back to your cave

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 7, 2016 at 10:13 pm

      Yet more from ibrahim itace muhammed:

      larry,how (sic) civilised filthy christians (sic) and evil jews (sic) are?those (sic) having indiscriminate sex like animals?those (sic) having sex with animals?those (sic) whose ladies do not know how to use pure water to clean remnants of sperm after sex,remnants (sic) of excrement and blood after menses,thereby (sic) accumulating to produce horrible bad smells to cause us vomit whenever we come nearer to them?
      ………………………………………

      Having civilized Infidels call him on his bullsh*t is clearly sending muhammed completely around the bend.

      Bestiality is illegal in the civilized world–not like in Dar-al-Islam, where clerics actually ordain the Islamic way to rape animals–just look at the Ayatollah Khomeini in his “Green Book”.

      And then, Western hygiene is *far* superior to that of Muslims. But if Muslims want to believe this rot, I invite them to leave the West, so that they won’t ever have to deal with being in close proximity to Western women, ever again…

      But how could they rape them then? That’s a problem…

      More:

      those (sic) with the same sex marriages and adopt children produced from baby factories(bastards (sic)?
      ………………………………………

      muhammed has made this bizarre claims many times at this point–there are, of course, no “baby factories” in the West.

      This seems to be his way of castigating civilized Westerners for adopting babies–how dare we believe that all children deserve love, or hold from condemning infants for the circumstances of their births? Muslims certainly don’t think like this…

      More:

      those (sic) uncircumcised males with foreskins producing horrible bad smells?.
      ………………………………………

      Why is muhammed putting his nose next to Infidel men’s foreskins? Wait…don’t tell me…

      More:

      it is even a punishment for clean muslims (sic) to stay in the same place with you dirty christians (sic) and jews (sic) due to very bad smells coming out of your bodies.you (sic) are not different from dirty hindus,budhists (sic) and other pagans in terms of very bad smells.
      ………………………………………

      Does that mean muhammed and all his fellow Muslims are going to leave Dar-al-Harb now? God, I hope so.

      Obviously, muhammed is confusing Islamic ritual “cleanliness” with *actual* hygiene. This should not surprise, though–clearly, he is not terribly bright.

      What he means is that all unbelievers are “Najis” in the Islamic sense–that is, they are considered “filthy” not due to poor standards of cleanliness, but simply because they are not Muslim.

      Whereas, a Muslim may–as the “Prophet” Muhammed did–go about with sperm stains on his robes from raping his child bride, wipe his ass with stones, and bathe in water defiled by dead animals floating in it, yet still be considered “clean”.

      More:

      your (sic) father the devil will not allow you to clean because he is also dirty and horribly smelly. thus, (sic) islamic way of life enjoyable and pleasant ,while your way of live is punishing and disturbing.
      ………………………………………

      Some might consider “marrying” nine-year-old girls, raping unbelievers, mass murdering Infidels, and stoning rape victims to death to be “enjoyable and pleasant”, but civilized Kuffar reject such horrific barbarism.

      More:

      you (sic) are being punished right from this world.your punishments in hellfire (sic) in the life hereafter will be the worst.you could never realise (sic) that your beast way of life is punishing until you become muslims (sic) and taste islamic (sic) way of life.
      ………………………………………

      Yeah–here we are, enjoying our high standards of living, freedoms, and decency, when we could instead be using little girls as sex slaves and crucifying young people for running afoul of Ramadan. How can we not realize what we are missing? sarc/off

      More:

      i (sic) could remember one christian (sic) family in the west converted to islam (sic) and became clean.they (sic) met the imam (sic) and told him that they had been suffering under the yoke of their former filthy horrible religion(christianity).they (sic) are now enjoying life.the (sic) imam told them that it was devil punishing them due to their association with him and they could no realise it
      ………………………………………

      Is dear old dad beating his wife–or wives–and selling off his nine-year-old daughters to pedophiles? Is he considering “Honor Killing” any of them if they resist wearing Hijab? Is his wife–or wives–teaching the small fry to blow themselves and as many Infidels as possible up so that they can become “Martyrs”? Gee, just look at what we are “missing out” on…sarc/off

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Dec 7, 2016 at 10:32 pm

        Graven, brilliant, precise and incontrovertible!

  12. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 6, 2016 at 4:35 am

    champ,to ban me?where is your so -called freedom of speech?i this forum created for one side ideas? you must be stupid clown.if i am banned many forums are available to enable me continue debunking your lies.tell the editor to go ahead and do it. i am less concern

    • eduardo odraude says

      Dec 6, 2016 at 1:38 pm

      ibrahim itace muhammad, you have been fooled by your master into following him, the biggest con artist in history, “the Prophet”, and that is the reason there is no peace in Palestine the Middle East, and the Islamic world:

      Muhammad rejects religious pluralism

      For example, in Sahih Muslim, a canonical hadith collection:

      Book 19.4366

      It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) say:”I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

      If you ask the typical Israeli, he will tell you he does not believe i hating anyone. If you ask the typical Palestinian, he will say that on a scale of 1 to 10, his hatred for Israelis is 10. That is the whole problem in Palestine. Your master teaches you to hate, and to oppress non-Muslims.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 7, 2016 at 10:25 pm

      And yet more from the tedious Muslim ibrahim itace muhammed:

      champ,to (sic) ban me?where (sic) is your so -called freedom of speech?
      ………………………….

      Like most Mohammedans, muhammed understands *nothing* about freedom of speech. But why should this surprise?

      Jihad Watch is Robert Spencer’s site–he decides who can post here. Being banned from Jihad Watch–or any private forum–is not a violation of one’s freedom of speech. No private individual is obligated to provide *anyone* with a platform.

      Following this line of “reasoning”, anyone would have to turn their own living rooms over to meetings by ISIS.

      More:

      i (sic) this forum created for one side (sic) ideas?
      ………………………….

      The idea that Jihad Watch is obligated to serve as a platform for Jihadists in order to prove it is not “one side” is, of course, ridiculous.

      But muhammed is hoping to use–really, misuse–civilized concepts to push his own very uncivilized agenda. This is quite common with Muslims.

      More:

      you (sic) must be stupid clown.if (sic) i (sic) am banned many forums are available to enable me (sic) continue debunking your lies.tell (sic) the editor to go ahead and do it. i (sic) am less concern (sic)
      ………………………….

      When has the semi-literate and reason-challenged muhammed ever debunked anything here?

      His only use, really, is to expose the morally hideous and intellectually arid Muslim mindset. It is *not* pretty–but it is quite instructive.

      • Champ says

        Dec 7, 2016 at 10:50 pm

        I concur with *each* point you’ve made to “ibrahim itace muhammed”, Graven — excellent response!

    • Champ says

      Dec 7, 2016 at 10:47 pm

      What Gravenimage stated …

    • Angemon says

      Dec 8, 2016 at 10:51 am

      Hi there, Ebionite. You wrote:

      “champ,to ban me?where is your so -called freedom of speech?”

      Nice try – well, not really – but no cigar. “Freedom of speech” means that people have the right to express their views without the government punishing them for it. And even then, there are laws and checks limiting speech – like, for example, not crying fire in a crowded room (unless, of course, there’s actually a fire taking place). “Freedom of speech” does NOT mean that private citizens or organizations have to give you a soapbox and an audience. Jihad Watch is a privately-owned website, so the owner(s) have the final word regarding what they allow to be posted or not. And to their eternal credit, they’re incredibly laid back, and unless you’re, let’s say, saying something that would be punishable by government law or spamming, you can post pretty much everything you want. That your grammatically-challenged, anti-Christian bigotry ridden, virulently anti-Semitic, crazily anti-Hindu, conspiracy-theory mongering and incredibly uneducated posts are all out there for everyone to see should be more than enough to knock your whining about “freedom of speech” straight into orbit.

      “i this forum created for one side ideas?”

      He said, having posted many times and having his posts still standing…

      “you must be stupid clown.”

      Let me guess: things you say to your mirror?

      “if i am banned many forums are available to enable me continue debunking your lies.”

      Then go there. Oh, and you’re not !debunking” anything, you’re simply propagating paranoid conspiracy theories and flinging insults around, like a monkey with its feces.

      “tell the editor to go ahead and do it. i am less concern”

      You were concerned enough to whine about “freedom of speech” and to let Champ know you’d continue your little jihad elsewhere…

  13. Cretius says

    Dec 6, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    Poor Jimmy. Who is his caregiver?

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