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Jimmy Carter, Lord Caradon, the Palestine Mandate, and U.N. Resolution 242 (Part I)

Dec 4, 2016 4:36 pm By Hugh Fitzgerald

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The glad news is that Jimmy Carter is again bringing peace to the Middle East, by saving Israel from itself, as he has tried so many times before, and without a moment to lose. He wants to make sure that the American government, while still under Obama, joins 137 other countries in recognizing a country called “Palestine.” It’s the “solution” of “two states, living side by side in peace,” about which we have heard so much over decades. Carter’s plan is sure to satisfy the “Palestinians” because, according to Carter, he’s gotten nothing but “positive feedback” from them. As for those pesky Israelis, the ones who keep building those awful “settlements” on “occupied Palestinian land,” they’ll just have to be satisfied with those “borders” they had prior to the Six-Day War, the ones that worked so well before.

Here’s Jimmy:

ATLANTA — We do not yet know the policy of the next administration toward Israel and Palestine, but we do know the policy of this administration. It has been President Obama’s aim to support a negotiated end to the conflict based on two states, living side by side in peace.

That prospect is now in grave doubt. I am convinced that the United States can still shape the future of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before a change in presidents, but time is very short. The simple but vital step this administration must take before its term expires on Jan. 20 is to grant American diplomatic recognition to the state of Palestine, as 137 countries have already done, and help it achieve full United Nations membership.

Back in 1978, during my administration, Israel’s prime minister, Menachem Begin, and Egypt’s president, Anwar Sadat, signed the Camp David Accords. That agreement was based on the United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which was passed in the aftermath of the 1967 war. The key words of that resolution were “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every state in the area can live in security,” and the “withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”

The agreement was ratified overwhelmingly by the Parliaments of Egypt and Israel. And those two foundational concepts have been the basis for the policy of the United States government and the international community ever since.

This was why, in 2009, at the beginning of his first administration, Mr. Obama reaffirmed the crucial elements of the Camp David agreement and Resolution 242 by calling for a complete freeze on the building of settlements, constructed illegally by Israel on Palestinian territory. Later, in 2011, the president made clear that “the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines,” and added, negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine.”

Today, however, 38 years after Camp David, the commitment to peace is in danger of abrogation. Israel is building more and more settlements, displacing Palestinians and entrenching its occupation of Palestinian lands. Over 4.5 million Palestinians live in these occupied territories[if we count Gaza, which is no longer “occupied” by Israel], but are not citizens of Israel. Most live largely under Israeli military rule, and do not vote in Israel’s national elections.

Meanwhile, about 600,000 Israeli settlers [Israelis] in Palestine [Judea and Samaria]enjoy the benefits of Israeli citizenship and laws. This process is hastening a one-state reality that could destroy Israeli democracy and will result in intensifying international condemnation of Israel.

The Carter Center has continued to support a two-state solution by hosting discussions this month with Israeli and Palestinian representatives, searching for an avenue toward peace. Based on the positive feedback from those talks, I am certain that United States recognition of a Palestinian state would make it easier for other countries that have not recognized Palestine to do so, and would clear the way for a Security Council resolution on the future of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The Security Council should pass a resolution laying out the parameters for resolving the conflict. It should reaffirm the illegality of all Israeli settlements beyond the 1967 borders, while leaving open the possibility that the parties could negotiate modifications. Security guarantees for both Israel and Palestine are imperative, and the resolution must acknowledge the right of both the states of Israel and Palestine to live in peace and security. Further measures should include the demilitarization of the Palestinian state, and a possible peacekeeping force under the auspices of the United Nations….

That is the piece by Jimmy Carter that appeared in the New York Times on November 28. It disturbs for many reasons: the indifference to Israel’s security needs, the disregard for the relevant history, the inattention to Israel’s legal, moral, and historic claims, especially those based on the Mandate for Palestine and the “secure and defensible borders” provision of U.N. Resolution 242, and the ignorance Carter shows about Islam, and of what explains the unappeasable Muslim hostility to the Jewish state, no matter how tiny that state may become.

Let’s start with Carter’s attempt to describe what U.N. Resolution 242 says. He claims that the key words of that resolution were “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every state in the area can live in security,” and the “withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”

These are not the key words of Resolution 242. In fact, the first phrase he quotes, about the “inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every state in the area can live in security” is not even to be found in the Resolution proper, but appears in the non-binding preamble to it, a statement of principle only. And what’s more, Carter wants you to think that the “inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” refers to Israel, and its winning, by force of arms in the Six-Day War, of the Sinai, Gaza, and the territory we have fallen into the habit of calling the “West Bank,” the name given to it after 1949 by the Jordanian Arabs, who were determined to efface, as too obviously Jewish, the place-names Judea and Samaria, though they had been in use in the Western world for 2000 years.

But it is Jordan, and not Israel, to which that phrase “inadmissibility of acquisition of territory by war” properly applies. It is Jordan that had no legal claim, but only the claim of a military occupier, since hostilities ended in 1949, to the “West Bank.” But Israel’s claim to the same territory (the West Bank, or Judea and Samaria, if we want to respect and resurrect the most venerable of toponyms) is based on the Mandate for Palestine; that legal and historic claim survived the 1948 war and the Jordanian occupation that lasted from 1948 right up to the war of June 1967. Though Israel’s claim remained unchanged, after the Six-Day War one thing did change: that claim could at last be satisfied. In other words, while the Six-Day War created the conditions that allowed Israel to now enforce its legal claim under the Mandate for Palestine, it is that Mandate, and not the 1967 military victory, that is the original basis of Israel’s claim as of right and not of sufferance. And that claim is further buttressed by the requirement, in Resolution 242, for establishing “secure and defensible borders.”

In 1922, the British, as Mandatory authority, had unilaterally declared that all of the territory east of the Jordan River that had previously been allocated to the Mandate for Palestine, constituting fully 77% of its original land area, would no longer be open to Jewish immigration. This was done for reasons of big-power Realpolitik. The British wanted to have territory to offer to the Hashemite Emir Abdullah, the older brother of Feisal, whom the British installed on the throne of Iraq. They were worried that if Abdullah were not given some territory to rule, he would likely make a move on Syria, and thereby complicate matters for the British in their relations with France, the Mandatory for both Syria and Lebanon. So they chose to lop off from the Mandate for Palestine all of the territory east of the Jordan and present it to Abdullah, as what became the Emirate of Transjordan. That meant that the territory allocated to the future Jewish state was thereby reduced to 23% of what had originally been envisioned.

And while the Mandate for Palestine was intended for the establishment of the Jewish National Home, at the same time the Arabs were provided with four mandates by the League of Nations. These included Lebanon and Syria, with France as Mandatory, and Iraq and Jordan (its actual status being somewhat more complicated) with Great Britain as Mandatory. Jimmy Carter doesn’t want anyone to remember what the Mandate for Palestine was all about, much less take a look at its precise terms. He doesn’t want you to know that the 1948-49 war did not extinguish Israel’s claim to all the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean (with a southern border from Rafah to the Gulf of Aqaba, and a northern border that was roughly a straight line from the Mediterranean to Metulla, and then northward up to the Golan Heights.)

Carter certainly doesn’t want the world to remember how well-provided the Arabs were with mandates, and even endowed with territory taken from the proposed Jewish National Home. Nor does he think worth mentioning the fact that the total land area of the 22 members of the Arab League is 13,000,000 million square kilometers, or roughly 600 times Israel’s land area of 22,000 square kilometers. That might put things in perspective, and equity is not Carter’s strong suit. He wrongly calls the armistice lines of 1949 the “borders” of Israel. And Carter simply accepts as a given the existence of a “Palestinian people” who have apparently existed forever, instead of understanding that they came into being as a deliberate construct, created for political reasons, so that the Arab and Muslim war on Israel could be presented, more acceptably, as a simple matter of “two tiny peoples, each struggling for its homeland.”

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  1. Marty says

    Dec 4, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    Carter remains bitter about not being elected to a second term and no doubt blames the Jews, even though they overwhelmingly and foolishly voted for him in 1980. He insists that Israelis commit national suicide to provide the Arabs with their twenty-third corrupt and autocratic state. Just what the world doesn’t need.

    • Kepha says

      Dec 4, 2016 at 5:21 pm

      You are probably right. Carter appears to have learned nothing from how the Islamic revolution has treated him and the country he served for four years.

      • Adrian Johnson says

        Dec 5, 2016 at 4:41 am

        This is consistent with Carter’s record as the worst (as in incompetent, not criminal) president in modern history– at least until the Obama administration.

      • Carolyne says

        Dec 5, 2016 at 12:37 pm

        The present turmoil in the MIddle East can be laid squarely at the feet of Jimmy Carter. He double-crossed the Shah of Iran and thereby enabled the Ayatollah Khomeini to take over Iran and start the Islamic revolution over the area. That big smile of his hides nothing. He should hang his head in shame.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Dec 4, 2016 at 5:32 pm

      The Carter Center has taken millions from Saudi Arabia, who also were chief investors in the BCCI Bank (Bank of Crooks and Criminals) which bailed out his peanut business from bankruptcy and for which he shilled for all over the Third World after being President. He took advice as President from the equally antisemitic Zbigniew Brzezinski, who became an advisor to Obama on the Middle East and continued to be wrong about everything (just can’t get rid of these “wise men”), and who famously called for Israeli planes to be shot down if they were on their way to bomb Iran’s nuclear project.

      Hugh Fitzgerald eviscerates Carter here and he’s just beginning.

      • Linde Barrera says

        Dec 4, 2016 at 10:56 pm

        To Jack Diamond- Hi Jack! I would like to add 1 positive deed that Jimmy Carter did: He assembled a team of medical professionals to help eradicate Guinea Worm disease in many parts of Africa and Asia. It took many years but they were successful! They gave out special filters for the indigenous peoples to drink the local water (often the river) and these filters helped trap the microscopic Guinea Worm parasites. So Carter did a good thing in this regard, but he is definitely on the wrong track about Israel and Palestine.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Dec 5, 2016 at 12:13 am

          Hi Linde. Carter is known for many philanthropic endeavors and it is one reason he was well regarded in the Third World. Many of his philanthropic activities involved his good friend Agha Hasan Abedi, who flew Carter around Africa and Asia on his BCCI-owned Boeing 727. You see the paradox.

          I’ll quote an L.A. Times article: “On June 21, 1987, former President Jimmy Carter was the star attraction at a ceremony dedicating a rehabilitation center for former prostitutes near Bangkok. By his side was Agha Hasan Abedi, founder of the international bank that allegedly has assisted terrorists, drug traffickers, money launderers and spies… Abedi apparently earned Carter’s complete trust and friendship with gifts from BCCI of more than $8 million to support the former President’s humanitarian efforts. At the same time, Abedi’s high-profile association with a former U.S. chief of state provided the Pakistani bank executive increased stature in many of the 70 countries where his bank did business.”
          http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-28/news/mn-507_1_carter-center

          I’m glad Carter helped eradicate the Guinea Worm parasite. I’m not so glad he provided a front for Islamic terrorists and world-class criminal conspiracies at the same time.

        • maghan says

          Dec 5, 2016 at 5:34 am

          Just shows the corruption of those African and Asian governments. The fools always have to wait for the Great White Father to do obvious and simple things for them. Shades of Kipling.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 5, 2016 at 12:08 pm

          Maghan,
          African governments are often very corrupt, but one should keep in mind that their corruption has been powerfully aided and abetted by certain Western and European capitalists, who join with African dictators to make those dictators multi-millionaires or billionaires, in exchange for taking the resources of the African country dirt-cheap. Then the ordinary African remains in poverty. Furthermore, some African countries, such as the democratic and relatively prosperous Botswana, are well-run. As for Asia, you overgeneralize: Japan is not more corrupt than the U.S., and neither is Taiwan or South Korea. Your “great white father” image is therefore BS. Did you know that the core Islamic texts describe Muhammad in a dozen places as “white”? Islam is one of the most destructive, corrupt, and evil forces in the world. So much for your great white father. When you bring race into these issues, you only help the enemy, who wants us to believe that Islam is a race and that it is racist to oppose Islam. But Islam is not a race, it’s a totalitarian ideology with members from all races. I don’t care about skin color, but I do care if someone is part of a totalitarian expansionist ideology with over a billion adherents.

          Muhammad affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered
          LINK: Page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad:

          Abu jahl said to them: “Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell.” The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: “I do say that.”

          Quoting Islam

        • Linde Barrera says

          Dec 5, 2016 at 12:59 pm

          To eduardo odraude- Great comment about the greed of many of Africa’s rulers. Thank you!

        • Custos Custodum says

          Dec 5, 2016 at 8:20 pm

          Of course, Carter worked hard to eliminate a rival parasite.

    • The Mayor says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 3:23 am

      Very true, Marty. Carter hates Jews, and, has been in the pay of various arab groups for a long time to assist them in enacting their middle east agenda. Dhimm Carter is an honorable bigot: once the arabs bought him, he`s stayed bought!

      • Carolyne says

        Dec 5, 2016 at 12:40 pm

        IMO Carter is himself a Guinea worm.

        • Custos Custodum says

          Dec 5, 2016 at 8:21 pm

          No, Carter is a Georgia worm, that’s why he worked so hard to get rid of RIVAL parasites.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 8:23 pm

      In the 1950s, Carter worked hard for another “two state solution”: keeping the Atlanta school system segregated.

  2. somehistory says

    Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    He’s speaking for satan. And arrogantly calls himself Christian. No book he writes, nor speech he gives can change what he is.

    He lies to enable the beast of islam.

    • Margaret DaSilva says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 1:19 am

      Exactly what I have been thinking about Carter for years now.

      • Gordon Miller says

        Dec 5, 2016 at 6:25 am

        Carter should not be involved in matters of this king and keep quiet about a two state solution. He is no friend of Israel, that’s for sure.

  3. Sam says

    Dec 4, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    What is really wrong with this idiot? How can a president of USA be so blind to reality. Well we have Obama who is worse as he give monet to Iran with no approval from American people.

    Just a strange state of the world we live in. Very strange.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      Carter supposedly has a degree in Nuclear Science from Annapolis. However, they did not teach him to pronounce it correctly as he says “Nulcular” Science. If he can’s say it correctly, how can he do it?

  4. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 4, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    evil jews are masters of lies.who originally own the land between palestinian arabs and jews?the plastenians has been there since the time immemorial, even before jewish exodus from egypt to that area.no one can say when plastestinians first came to the whole area jewish are calling promised land.the issue is, do the jew have legal right to eject plastenians whom they met?jews are saying god promised them exclusive ownership of the whole land to called land of israelites according to their scriptures.then what will be the fate of the palestinians they met there?.where will they go?can they be killed as genocide?.the evil jews are saying they should be killed as commanded by god as contained in christian bible?is there any sense justice for true god to command that some of creatures be erased for others to settle?that portion of christian and jewish scriptures containing such command for genocide must not be from true god, because true god is just.in that case human manipulations must be involved to satisfy selfish interest. now since un charter prohibits ethnic cleansing, jews have no right to eject palestinians from all over the area, including main presesent israel ,for jews to settle there.thus, the present state of israel is illegal talkless of the portions declared by un resolutions as palestinians territories.as such jews brought int from europe and americal are illegal occupiers.it is only the indeginous jews living with palestinians are entitled to stay there as minority citizens.the issue of two states will not even arise..

    • A.T. says

      Dec 4, 2016 at 6:23 pm

      Sounds like an Islamic Supremacist.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Dec 4, 2016 at 6:39 pm

      Plastenia for Plastenians. The Mandate for Palestine for the Jewish National Home.

    • Marty says

      Dec 4, 2016 at 7:22 pm

      So called palestinians are inbred and mentally deficient sociopaths whose IQ levels are 10 to 16 points below average. They are illegal squatters in Judea and Samaria and need to go away.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 4, 2016 at 8:27 pm

      More from repulsive Muslim apologist ibrahim itace muhammed:

      evil (sic) jews (sic) are masters of lies.who (sic) originally own the land between palestinian (sic) arabs (sic) and jews (sic)?the (sic) plastenians (sic) has (sic) been there since the time immemorial, even before jewish (sic) exodus from egypt (sic) to that area.no one can say when plastestinians (sic) first came to the whole area jewish (sic) are calling promised land.
      …………………………….

      Jews have been in the Levant for at least 3000 years. They *much* predate the Muslim invasion there.

      There are no such people as the “Palestinians” (or the “plastenians”, for that matter).

      More:

      the (sic) issue is, do the jew (sic) have legal right to eject plastenians (sic) whom they met?jews (sic) are saying god promised them exclusive ownership of the whole land to called land of israelites (sic) according to their scriptures.then (sic) what will be the fate of the palestinians (sic) they met there?.where will they go?can (sic) they be killed as genocide?.
      …………………………….

      Absurd. The local Muslims can settle in Jordan, Syria, or whatever surrounding part of Dar-al-Islam they want. The Mandate set up Jordan–much larger than Israel–for the local Muslims.

      Further, many Muslims live in Israel, and have equal rights with every other citizen there. But this is not enough–Muslims want to destroy civilized Israel.

      More:

      the (sic) evil jews (sic) are saying they should be killed as commanded by god as contained in christian bible?
      …………………………….

      This is nothing but projection. Jews just want Muslims to stop murdering them.

      More:

      is there any sense justice for true god to command that some of creatures be erased for others to settle?
      …………………………….

      No Infidel is saying this, so it is a straw man. What would Muslims do to Jews if they ever–God forbid!–succeed in destroying Israel? It would become a Judenrein hellhole, like Gaza.

      More:

      that (sic) portion of christian (sic) and jewish (sic) scriptures containing such command for genocide must not be from true god (sic), because true god (sic) is just.in (sic) that case human manipulations must be involved to satisfy selfish interest.
      …………………………….

      Where to start? If there were “genocide” against Muslims in Israel, they would not be a growing demographic there.

      But there *is* a call for genocide against the Jews in the Hadith–and the fact is that most of Dar-al-Islam is now Judenrein, where all Jews have been driven out or murdered.

      More:

      now (sic) since un (sic) charter prohibits ethnic cleansing,
      …………………………….

      This is grimly hilarious–it is Muslims who reject the UN Charter of Human Rights.

      More:

      jews (sic) have no right to eject palestinians (sic) from all over the area, including main presesent (sic) israel (sic) ,for jews (sic) to settle there.thus, (sic) the present state of israel (sic) is illegal talkless (sic) of the portions declared by un (sic) resolutions as palestinians (sic) territories.as such jews (sic) brought int (sic) from europe (sic) and americal (sic) are illegal occupiers.it (sic) is only the indeginous (sic) jews (sic) living with palestinians (sic) are entitled to stay there as minority citizens.the (sic) issue of two states will not even arise.
      …………………………….

      The usual claim, that Jewish Israelis are not really Israeli.

      Note what muhammed here is positing–that Jews should only be allowed to live freely anywhere, but only as slaves of Muslims.

      That is, indeed, what Muslims want to see for *all* of us.

      • GenJones says

        Dec 4, 2016 at 10:10 pm

        Thanks for taking the time to address these ridiculous claims, Graven.
        I often think of the illiteracy of the Muslim world. A third to half perhaps? Interesting though that there isn’t a Jew who can’t read and write.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Dec 4, 2016 at 10:44 pm

      To Ibrahim Itace Muhammed- Did you ever hear of Walid Shoebat? He was born in Jordan to a Muslim family. He and so many others woke up one day and learned they were no longer Jordanians but “Palestinians”. After spending many years hating the Jews (because that is what he learned from the Quran) he learned the truth about how Palestinians came to be: kicked out of Jordan and used as scapegoats to advance the Islamist agenda. (Walid Shoebat is now a Christian.) So my question to you is: “How can you not support the state of Israel when you know that the One True God gave the land of Israel to the Jews at least 2,000 years before Islam began, and the pagan tribes like the Midianites from Saudi Arabia, the Edomites, Moabites and Ammonites from Jordan, and the Hittites from Syria all worshipped gods that demanded human sacrifice ?” Additionally, Jimmy Carter states “…the resolution must acknowledge the right of both the states of Israel and Palestine to live in peace and security.” What with the Jew hatred in the Quran, how could Israel ever live in peace and security with any majority Muslim state? And 1 final thought: Anwar Sadat was assassinated by a member of the Egyptian MO Brotherhood because they could not stomach the thought of peace with Israel. So Ibrahim, my advice is to petition Saudi Arabia to allow Palestinians to live there. The Palestinians should, by every good thought, be very pleased to be welcomed there.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 12:44 pm

      To my knowledge, Palestinians are not mentioned in the Christian bible, so how can it command that they be killed?

    • Golem2 says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      Arabs are Arabs are Arabs. There is no such thing as a “palestinian”. It is the big lie that Arabs perpetuated while keeping their “brothers” in welfare camps. It is time for Carter to drop dead.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 8:26 pm

      One is reminded that fewer foreign non-fiction books are translated into Arabic every year than into Greek.

  5. jewdog says

    Dec 4, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    I read a brilliant piece not long ago in the New English Review, written by an Arab, who had a very cynical view of the alleged pro-Palestinian views of many Europeans. He questioned the sincerity of their concern, and intimated that it was not really concern, but anti-Semitism in disguise. It should be obvious to a rational observer that the Islamic cultures are a mess, and that Israel is the least of their problems, but that is an awareness that requires intellectual honesty. I always remember that article whenever I come across Jimmy Carter.

  6. gravenimage says

    Dec 4, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    Jimmy Carter, Lord Caradon, the Palestine Mandate, and U.N. Resolution 242 (Part I)
    …………………….

    Fine article by Hugh Fitzgerald. Carter is trying to do as much damage to civilized Israel as he can before Donald Trump assumes office. *Ugh*.

    Note that he does not mention–not even in passing–the bloody ongoing Jihad against Israel, nor the threats from all Muslim parties, including the “Palestinian Authority”, to destroy her outright.

  7. Rob says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:35 am

    Carter also omits mention that following the Camp David accords, Israel quit Gaza and forcibly evicted (at great domestic political cost) Israeli settlements there.
    That action was a ‘downpayment’ on a 2-state solution and evidence of Israeli earnestness.
    The deal was popularly called ‘land for peace’.
    The Gazans got the land but the Israelis no peace.
    No wonder Israel insists on direct negotiations, when brokered deals are treated with such disdain by Hamas/PLO.
    Do Israel’s critics ever mention this? Do they ever mention HAMAS’ bloody takeover from the PLO and the fact that there hasn’t been a general election in Gaza since?

  8. ibrahim itace muhammed says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 1:16 am

    gravenimage, can you cite any cogen and irrefutable historical evidence to prove that the jews came to that land before palestinians about 3000 years apart from concocted lies inserted in the mithraist evil christian bible(the book of genocide and phornography) and tales contained jewish scriptures?from where each of the two communities,jews and palestinians, before these 3000 years you mentioned?the question is who is israel?was it not jacob the grandson of father abraham?was abraham the first human to settled there?before abraham came to the area he met human beings there.these human being included the forefathers of palestinians.check ancient history backed by cogent evidence,not speculative data you may rely upon.the land is not, thefore, exclusive land of israel. no one is saying jews who have been there shall continue staying on the land; but they have no exclusive right over it thereby ejecting palestinians.thus, all all palestinians illegally expelled by racist jews must be allowed to come back to their homeland.your suggestion that they should be taken to some where in arabia is impossible.to whose land again?did they come from there to your knowledge?if you say so, prove it with cogent historical evidence.

    • Angemon says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 4:33 am

      Hi there, Ebionite. You wrte:

      “gravenimage, can you cite any cogen and irrefutable historical evidence to prove that the jews came to that land before palestinians about 3000 years apart from concocted lies inserted in the mithraist evil christian bible(the book of genocide and phornography) and tales contained jewish scriptures?“!

      Can *you* cite any cogent evidence to prove any of your ridiculous assertions? Because the Bible – both the NT and NT – were written before the Arabic invasion of the Holy Land.

      “before abraham came to the area he met human beings there.these human being included the forefathers of palestinians.”

      Citation needed.

      “no one is saying jews who have been there shall continue staying on the land;”

      No, that’s exactly what you and your deviant Ebionite coreligionists are saying: you want the Holy Land to be Judenfrei.

      “but they have no exclusive right over it thereby ejecting palestinians.thus, all all palestinians illegally expelled by racist jews must be allowed to come back to their homeland.”

      How many Fakestinians, in your little narrative, were NOT “illegally expelled”? There are more Fakestinians now than there were when they left Israel, thinking their deviant Ebionite coreligionists were going to kill all Jews. Are the grandsons and great-grandsons of people who willingly left Israel supposed to be “allowed back” into Israel? Ridiculous.

    • eduardo odraude says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 1:02 pm

      Evidence that Israeli-Palestinian conflict is driven by Palestinian Hatred

      Video interviewer asks a series of Palestinians, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much they hate Israel. Almost all of them say “10”.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pjFJ0HPt5g

      The same interviewer asks Israelis how much they hate Palestinians, on a scale of 1 to 10. Almost all of them say they do not hate Palestinians.

    • Golem2 says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 7:55 pm

      rofl

  9. mortimer says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 1:22 am

    Carter is one of the most CLUELESS politicians in American history.

    His book has the word APARTHEID on it, but AL WALAA WAL BARAA is an Islamic doctrine that is about real Islamic apartheid. Muslims are forbidden to socialize with dirty, polluted kafirs. That’s Sharia law…not an opinion.

    Carter’s opinions are uninformed or disinformed. He doesn’t know the difference.

  10. The Mayor says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 3:19 am

    In his novel, :”The Night of the Generals”, Hans Helmut Kirst had the protagonist, a German general, referring to Hitler, state that, “he could conquer the entire world, but, that would still not satisfy his acquisitive urges”. Can we not state the same about Islam and its adherents?

  11. avi15 says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 3:41 am

    Is Carter mean or just stupid? I can’t decide.

    • Carolyne says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      Carter thinks he’s good. There’s a big difference in thinking oneself is good and actually being good.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Dec 5, 2016 at 8:43 pm

      Carter learned early on how to fake honesty and concern and how to prostitute his Christian persona for Muslim moola.

  12. Carmel says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 4:49 am

    Jimmy Carter, the man who was so pious that he thought Ayatollah Khomeiny was like him.So, he let him come in Iran from Paris . He thought he was not harmful . We saw what happened over the days . The least thing it gaves us was : Reza Aslan . OMG!

  13. carnama says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 6:12 am

    The World War 3 Started Long Back When Carter Was President and America Received the first Defet. He Who Created Khomeni And Recent days Terrorist . History will surely take note of this. All American President CIA Sell themselves and risk their Citizens life.

  14. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 7:47 am

    Fitzgerald is the opposite of the news entertainer “journalists” working at the NYT LAT WaPo, Boston Globe etc., the reverse of what the news entertainers on TV including Fox RINO do. He always goes to the facts, just the facts ma’am, and he correctly sneers at the ahistoricity and daily fraud delivered by the talkers in the mass media who strictly speak of grave matters on a simplified, abstracted level, they have to do this cuz that’s easier for the folks, that way they can understand. Lawyers often have to tell clients going into a court that they have bad “facts.” Islam, or should I say, Moslems, have bad facts too. Very bad facts. The worst of anybody. So here he is shining the light on that enormously important fact.

    So the dream continues, with the spectacle of the old antisemite Jimmy speaking for the Jews in Israel.

  15. Colin Fuller says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:14 am

    Should have stuck to peanut farming mate, it is impossible to make peace with a country (Palestine) when that country is a fabrication and has no substance in reality.

  16. Gee says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:35 am

    All of UNSC Resolution 242 is non-binding. Every single UNSC resolution concerning Israel has been past under Chapter VI – making every single one of them non-binding recommendations

  17. Baucent says

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:47 am

    Here’s the problem Jimmy, you can’t trust the Arabs to abide by any agreement. Let’s say Israel agreed to revert to 1967 borders in exchange for peace. There is no guarantee that subsequent “Palestinian” leaders would not then call for Israel to retreat to their 1948 borders. Hamas who control Gaza won’t accept any sort of State of Israel. Exchanging land for peace will never work and only weaken Israel to an indefensible sliver of land. Of course that what the Arabs want.

  18. dumbledoresarmy says

    Dec 6, 2016 at 9:10 am

    Re the Mandate, and the Muslim Arabs.

    There is some very , very, very useful stuff in *this* article.

    http://www.meforum.org/6275/were-the-arabs-indigenous-to-mandatory-palestine

    Were the Arabs Indigenous to Mandatory Palestine?
    by Sheree Roth
Middle East Quarterly
Fall 2016

    It’s a review of a very interesting Old Book book “The Rape of Palestine” by one William Ziff, that first appeared in *1938*. What Ziff is talking about, in his title, is not what the average brainwashed ‘Palestinianist’ on a modern western campus would think. He’s talking, rather, about the assault on the nascent state of Israel – the Jewish homeland on the traditional lands of the House of Israel- that was perpetrated by the on-the-ground British colonial rulers’ complicity with what can only be described (though the author himself does not realize that this is what was happening) as a massive Muslim hijrah that kicked off the instant the Muslims realized that the *Jews* were gaining in numbers and might somehow gain sovereignty.

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