That was the night that their coreligionists went on a rampage of sex assault against non-Muslim women. Now it comes out that the foxes were placed in charge of the henhouse — so sure are European officials that Islam is a religion of peace that is perfectly compatible with Western values and norms.
“Untrained refugees employed as security guards in Cologne on New Year’s Eve,” by Allan Hall, Express, December 29, 2016:
IT has just been revealed that UNTRAINED refugees were deployed as security personnel on New Year’s Eve in Cologne last year.
But many abandoned their posts and at least one was so drunk he couldn’t work.
A total of 59 asylum seekers were stationed on bridges across the Rhine to assist in a mammoth security operation aimed at stopping any trouble.
Last year mobs of mostly North African men sexually assaulted and robbed hundreds of women in and around the city’s main railway station as police totally lost control of the situation.
On September 7, 2015 authorities made the decision to give some refugees a role in the policing of celebrations – a little known fact which has only just emerged.
The security firm Westturm was in charge of hiring the migrants who were told to have a “basic mastery of the German language and to bring along warm clothing”.
Bild published a list of those who were hired on Thursday.
Most came from North Africa, Syria and Afghanistan….

marina says
The security firm Westturm should cease to exist.
Jon Lon says
This is ridiculous as Catholics guarding Mosques in Saudi Arabia
Kay says
???
Creole Gumbo says
I second that one???????
What is s/he saying?
byzantium1683 says
How so? The vast majority of Catholics, whether liberal or Traditional, could be expected to guard Saudi-Arab Mosques effectively. THEY would do their job.
I appreciate the analogy but its much worse than that.
In any case, how much of this disaster was migrant security, and how much was it due to normal police forces dropping the ball or whatever the saying is? I guess westturn still deserves punishment, what with not even training the migrants.
roger woodhouse says
Its called ‘job creation’Another example of work being done by immigrants which ‘locals ‘refuse to do’.!More stats for the luvvies to crow about.
Rod Sexton says
Are you okay Jon Lon?
SamKent says
But the Catholics would probably be honest and do a good job!
Creole Gumbo says
Agree
DFD says
This is going thru the German alternative media for quite a while. Westturm {meaning Western Tower} is by now frequently referred to as an “insecurity company” or as a Babylonian tower.
Further, most of those Muslims didn’t even show up; or showed up, registered for duty and left. It’s by now several days or even a week old, so don’t nail me on this, but if I recall correctly only three of these Muslims actually did duty, with four hours being the longest.
However, that didn’t stop Westturm to claim full wages for all of these – and Cologne paid.
gravenimage says
Disgusting, DFD–thanks for the additional information.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these “security guards” joined in the mass sexual assaults after “checking in”. Grotesque…
Angemon says
That infamous New Years Eve just keeps on giving, and the more it gives the worse the general picture is.
gravenimage says
You aren’t wrong, Angemon. Everything we hear is just worse and worse.
The above probably explains why–as we’ve heard–security was ignoring the attacks and victims going up to security were brushed off or pushed back into the crowd instead of aided.
At the time, I could not imagine German police, no matter how dhimmified, just standing by while women were being assaulted right in front of them.
I just wonder what is going to happen tomorrow night…
Unknown says
“I just wonder what is going to happen tomorrow night…”
Me too… Not just in Germany but in France, US and Netherlands, the most unprofitable is the last one.
Praying for a “better” 2017.
gravenimage says
Yes, Unknown–last year, these attacks did not just happen in Cologne, but in Hamburg and Dusseldorf and other German cities–and in Austria, Sweden, Finland, and other European cities, as well.
I’m praying for a better 2017, as well.
ermom says
I’m praying for a ‘better 2017’ also, but I mean ‘peaceful’, as I’m sure Graven and Unknown are. However, what would Islamists (those who want and are working toward a global caliphate and everyone in the world under Sharia) consider a ‘better’ year? I think readers here, know the answer to that reality. I PRAY I’M WRONG.
gravenimage says
True–ermom–I meant a better year, of course, as civilized Infidels–not ravening Jihadists–see it.
But you make an important point–for pious Muslims, “better” is a higher body count…
Western Canadian says
Yes, and seeing the idiot muslim on EU television, lying about how only 5 of the thugs arrested were muslims, all the rest were native born, white Germans….. Beyond pathetic…. he was involved in some ‘islamophobic’ organization in England…..
concerned canadian says
you cant feckin make this stuff up.
man oh man the world has its head up its own butt.
FYI says
you could make it up alright …if you were a novelist..or the writer of the koran…
quota raven says
Fox. Henhouse. Sez it all.
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
I’m afraid that *does* say it all, Quota.
Stephanie says
who is decent, and who are not?
nobody knows!
epistemology says
The Germans have an awful lot to learn. Better hire Robert as adviser like the FBI used to.
Wellington says
That would be ideal, epistemology. It would make so much sense to have Robert Spencer as a consultant here and this is exactly why what you proposed will not happen since German elites, led by Miss Piggy (just love this term of yours for that silly woman), and as is the case with so many other Western elites, are devoid of sense about Islam (and many other matters too—–but I digress), all the while they think they know better than the rest of us.
A backlash against this arrogance, ignorance and stupidity very much helps explain the Brexit vote in June and Trump’s election in November, but I have little doubt Western elites aplenty will double down, even triple down, in order to prevent themselves from looking reality square in the face. Hell, they’ve already demonstrated this many times over already since Brexit and Trump’s beating that monstrously corrupt, mendacious and incompetent woman, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Again, a Happy New Year to you and yours and may you and yours have a Muslim-free New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day. Muslim-free anything is always a positive you know. Take care, my friend.
DFD says
“Ms Piggy” hehehe. Some Germans make the pun Angela “Ferkel”, were Ferkel, as used by farmers, means piglet.
You said ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton’. Hmh, looking from the UK, perhaps you mean Hillary Rotherham Clinton or Hillary Rochdale Clinton – confusing 🙂
Happy New Year
DFD says
They have hired just such a man, Dr. Rudolf Ulfkotte, http://www.ulfkotte.de/8.html , advised lots of German gov agencies. He’s now hounded by the media and requires security. Wrote several books about Islam, war in Afghanistan, economy, Europe/Eu, etc. Like Robert Spencer, he’s warning for years. Had interviews with Afghan warriors, etc.
Have a look at his website, scroll through the home page, gives you an idea/overview.
German with English translation in the ‘Background’ tab
English only in ‘THE WORLD – upside down’ tab.
Most interesting and knowledgeable chap.
Happy New Year
Wellington says
Did not know about Ulfkotte, so thanks for the information, DFD. Will keep him in mind and hope he stays safe. Also, a Happy New Year to you and yours, though I fear 2017 will be a very bloody year, courtesy of man’s worst religion of all time and the sheer stupidity of so many Western elites. Take good care.
gravenimage says
Dr. Ulfkotte sounds like a brave and principled man. He should be lauded, not harassed.
davej says
Muslims must be excluded from all law enforcement or security positions, as well as any other employment where they are responsible for the safety and well being of kuffars. This should include medical care, food preparation, aviation, bus or train driving and particularly parachute packing.
Oops, forgot babysitting.
Kay says
Agree
Wellington says
I agree too, Kay, but the way Western nations’ laws and constitutions exist as of present will completely mitigate against davej’s proposal from occurring. You see, Muzzies have the West by its metaphorical balls and will use Western freedoms and laws in typical parasitic Mohammedan fashion in order to eventually destroy such freedoms and laws.
Until Islam is called out by the West at large, including by the bulk of the West’s elites, as nefarious to Western principles, then only a tactical victory here and there (at best) will occur against one of the the greatest enemies, if not the greatest enemy, of the West of all time.
Properly characterizing Islam for the monstrosity which it is MUST precede all efforts in dealing with it in order to finally deal with it optimally and with the sustainment of the West, with all its liberties and achievements, as the main objective Not there yet. Not even close to there yet.
quota raven says
Well said, Wellington. Unfortunately, simplistic (forgive the term) thinking simply doesn’t cut it in trying to defeat jihad. They are way ahead of us in cynicism and manipulation, and they are clever about using our own human rights culture against us. Not to mention their bloody, unswerving single-mindedness. A pretty appalling situation. I have to admit it: I’m scared, even though I say I am cautiously optimistic.I’m that, too. BUT
I’m not too happy with some of Trump’s appointments. Particularly Tillerson for Secy of State. He was brought to Trump’s attention by Condalisa Rice and Robert wazzisname, former secy of state. Both are very tight and cuddly with the Bush family and likely support the NWO, a concept introduced to me by Bush Sr when he was president. The first time I heard the words, my blood ran cold.
For what it’s worth, I voted for both Bushes every chance I got. I did so in ignorance of what I now see as a hidden agenda. Here’s a terrific, if difficult, book, that explains it all – “Interlock”, by Patricia Goldstone.
Cheers!
quota raven
Cheers!
quota raven
Wellington says
On the specific matter of Tillerson, Mademoiselle quota (see, even an old dog like me can learn), don’t forget, as I already noted on a JW thread just the other day, that Trump has appointed James Mattis as Secretary of Defense, and Mattis has been highly critical of Putin and Russia.
Seems to me that Trump might want to play good cop/ bad cop via Tlllerson and Mattis and thus keep Putin ‘awonderin. If so, I would say this is very smart. And don’t forget as well Trump just the other day calling for an INCREASE in America’s nuclear arsenal. Doing so ain’t in any way an appeasement of Putin or any other bad guys.
Matters are very fluid right now. Perhaps for the better. Time will tell.
Cheers my dear,
Wellington
quota raven says
))))) Good thinking, Wellington!
Cheers!
quota raven
Kay says
Yes Wellington. I’m afraid what you say is true. & I see it all around me. This is a deep blue state; all these people aren’t stupid, just deceived or deluded, and the delusion feeds on itself, not letting in any opposing fact or opinion or even question.
Anne Smith says
In UK Muslims have been working assiduously infiltrating all positions of authority. A glance at the list of Councils, for instance, will show you just how many are getting themselves elected. Not to mention the election scams they and their ilk are running, what with postal votes being done en masse and handed in by the “Community Leaders” (i.e. self appointed tribal heads)
We have Muslims in Parliament, in the House of Lords (most bought their way in there with large donations to the ruling party) in the Police, in the Judiciary, and in almost every walk of life. No one knows how much they allow their religion to influence their impartiality and judgement, but one can guess.
ECAW says
Anne – here’s a bit of good news:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/27/voters-will-have-show-passports-combat-voter-fraud-vulnerable/
Frank Courtney says
Yes, they have spread the deadly tentacles of the Islamic monster into all areas of life in the UK most obviously to me in my home city of Leicester. It will take a huge effort to destroy this incursion but it will have to be done if our civilisation and culture are to survive.
A Harris USA says
davej, and the medical field of which I am most familiar with, letting these savages run a muck in our society is worse than dangerous, it is murder!!! The best target in the world, a patient in a bed, defenseless and ill, what a target!!! Perfect for a Muslim to effect jihad!!
Phil Copson says
“amok”
somehistory says
Well, well. No wonder the *rapes* and *assaults* were said to be fake, and the young women’s complaints were ignored. Weren’t there even a few women who were accused of making trouble, rather than being believed?
And all because idiots have to prove the lie…that islam is peaceful and moslims pose no dangers. Shouldn’t the women who were raped, assaulted, groped, be able to sue the “security” company for hiring wolves to guard the sheep?
Champ says
“The security firm Westturm was in charge of hiring the migrants” …
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Some “security firm”, eh? My gawd …
Kay says
It is ridiculous! And why is the news just coming out now?
Champ says
Yes — *very* ridiculous, Kay!
Arminius says
Who are Westturm’s other customers? For example if they guard a large department store it seems to me the place is unsafe for German Nationals. I wonder which store could only cater to Muslims.
John Doe says
And some sites like the email portal gmx.de plays it down to mystery that kind of is overrated.
News like, less crimes by migrants but too much violence against help seeking refugees.
Funny… they seem to live in a different world. Older ladies from my neighborhood are not going downtown anymore, because of attacks. Friends in Japan tell me it is not recommend to visit Germany anymore.
Why should that be if it is so safe?!?!
A rich country like Germany should be able to help! Why should Germany help? It is taxpayers money that is going to be given away for free. When the war in Syria (most are not from Syria) is over. Will they go home? What if there is a new war somewhere else? Help again? 1.5 million elders are living without electricity because the government is not balancing the retirement money as they should, because NO money. But 89 billion for helping refugees!! Those elders are the ones that did create the German wealth and are now betrayed. The money that should be there for them is used for other things like repairing streets. And people still say: refugees welcome. The victims from last years New Years eve have no voice. One of the victim I know, her face sliced with a knife. From model like to hellraiser in secs, but who cares?
Not those moral superior ones,
Pajaro says
Thank you for sharing! My blood boils!
OllieJJ says
The point of this article is that the Germans don’t have enough of their own to put up defense against the muslim zombies going around harassing everyone.
Byzantium1683 says
Hmm? 80 million people in Germany, majority still German. Even counting the Elderly, I think the problem is not number, but Will. (Kinda the same thing though)
It’s true that it’s impossible to guard everywhere, which is why trumps mocked immigration plan was actually less strict than necessary.
gravenimage says
Yes, Byzantium1683–this is happening all over the West. Many are willing to roll over to the Muslim invasion, when they still make up under 10% of the population here–and often much less. In Germany, they are about 5.8% of the population–you would never know the figure was so low by the carnage they are responsible for.
Wellington says
Well, gravenimage, as I know you know only too well, Muslims are superb at carnage, including way exceeding their percentage of a population where this is concerned in a dar-al-harb land.
Like you I detest Islam, but I would like to bring up with you a new and quite disconcerting trend I have begun to notice over the last year or two. It is this: More and more regular and good folks in the West have grasped just how effed-up Islam is, all of it, which in and of itself should be good news for those who cherish liberty, but here is the bad news in this: Many of said people who have come to this realization have indicated to me in one way or another that they are prepared to do NOTHING to prevent Muslims from continuing to immigrate to the West and impose their warped values on us or to even publicly criticize Islam at all.
One person very close to me said that she knows Islam is evil but that she will never read the Koran because she knows it would depress her too much. A couple I know, and whom I respect in general, have come recently to the conclusion that Islam is horrible, but they are just resigned to it gaining more traction here in America, with no effort on their part to anything about it. And when I asked yet another very informed individual, who is knowledgeable and capable across the board, approximately how many documented Islamic terrorist attacks have occurred per year since 9/11, he responded with “fifty or so, ” when, in fact, it has been about 1800 or so and thus working out to an average of over 5 per day for each and every day the whole way back to that terrible day in American history, September 11th, 2001.
So, I trust, indeed I know, we have a new problem, one that Ayn Rand and the Judeo-Christian tradition have both addressed, i.e., good people prepared to do nothing to thwart or combat evil. Disturbing I would argue and one more giant obstacle in successfully opposing what man’s oldest totalitarian ideology intends for us all.
Your thoughts on this would be most appreciated, as I respect all that you have to say on whatever subject you are inclined to opine upon. Truly, my friend, I am disturbed by this “new development.” It does not bode well for a better future.
quota raven says
Excellent point, Graven.
Cheers!
quota raven
Kay says
Yes, I want to hear from Graven about this as well.
I’ve also noted that people who aren’t still completely in the dark, “don’t want to know.”
ECAW says
Wellington -I have found the same but not just recently, rather from the first time I took an interest in Islam about 3 years ago. Of all the friends and family I have tried to get to inform themselves none have actually done so, even those who acknowledge the problem. There is always an excuse, no time etc. One person said “It’s already too late”. They have kids so you would think they would have a concern for the future but they don’t see any requirement to do anything themselves.
If our leaders took a stand I’m sure they would get support but they seem paralysed. A few atrocities among the elite might have a salutary effect or perhaps we will learn from the civil war in France which seems not far off.
I think there is an additional factor in Britain. Our leaders told us to “stay calm and carry on” during the N. Ireland troubles as they had in WWII. In both those cases we could trust that they were on our side and took their advice. Now of course that is no longer the case. If the people realise in large enough numbers that our leaders are not on our side then they will have to be swept away too. But I don’t see it happening short of many and massive jihadist attacks. The people are deeply complacent, more concerned with baking contests and such like on the box than the world they will pass on to their grandchildren.
quota raven says
To ECAW – In the mid 70s I lived in Scotland, where I was introduced to the expression, “:They don’t want to know.” and came, with much effort, to understand it. At the time, I believe the term “cognitive dissonance” was not yet invented. But that is exactly a mental condition which some people actually preferred. One of the more disheartening things I’ve ever learned about the human psyche and thinking.
When this phenomenon occurs with regard to jihad, as you describe, we are in bad trouble. Complacency is as much our enemy as the virtues of political correctness and multiculturalism.
Cheers!
quota raven
ECAW says
Happy New Year Quota. It will certainly be an interesting one won’t it?
DFD says
To ECAW
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Hi, and before commencing,
Happy New Year. You & All at JW.
———————————————
Referring to your assessment, yes indeed, it will require more atrocities, and larger ones. And these will come, not only here, but all over Europe, western Europe that is, at least in particular.
The mood of the people, it’s worse than you think. After the last atrocity in Berlin even the gov controlled mainstream media noted that the people fear to talk to them, and that there is ‘feelable’ anger in them and hatred in their eyes; to quote. One paper described the reaction as “an eerie calm”…
Over here in the UK the people are suspicious, also of one another. I have an advantage here, I am Anglo-German. That means after a while, a long while, I gain their trust. The result is usually an emotional ‘explosion’; which is rather cold and hart, difficult to describe. The emotions are palpable and intense.
I wrote on this in the “Rise of the Fuhrers”. I’ll give the link in a moment. Should you want to read it, ignore that and please scroll down a bit, I had to clarify, so I repeated more extensively and detailed. Even though, I was condemned and corrected for relaying the message – shoot the messenger! You will find what my fears are, and the longer it takes, the worse it will get. Then one guy will rise and say: “I’ll solve the problem in one go – and then….” Here’s the link: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/hungarys-orban-to-merkel-we-wont-pay-for-your-error/comment-page-1#comment-1575488
I am afraid the brown stuff will hit the fan. I could be wrong, and I wish I am. But given human nature and history, with the enemy inside the gates… “Caesar! Save us!” And unspoken: ‘No matter the cost!’
ECAW says
Happy New Year DFD and everyone else. May things move to a head sooner rather than later. I find myself in the horrible position of welcoming atrocities (as long as my family are not involved!) because they are the only thing which even stand a chance of waking us up.
I find your post alarming, Although. I do think civil war is preferable to subjugation – see here, numbers 4 & 5:
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/the-2026-interfaith-handicap-2/
I am reasonably confident, along with graven image, that we won’t go as far as relying on a fascist dictator type. For sure, if we are to get out of this we will have to go to some form of martial law for a while but that’s normal in any time of war isn’t it? To me, the crucial thing is admitting that we are in a real war and declaring war back. Everything would follow from that wouldn’t it?
This quote from the exiled Bishop of Mosul sticks with me:
“Our sufferings today are the prelude of those you, Europeans and Western Christians, will also suffer in the near future. I lost my diocese. The physical setting of my apostolate has been occupied by Islamic radicals who want us converted or dead. But my community is still alive.
Please, try to understand us. Your liberal and democratic principles are worth nothing here. You must consider again our reality in the Middle East, because you are welcoming in your countries an ever growing number of Muslims. Also you are in danger. You must take strong and courageous decisions, even at the cost of contradicting your principles. You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home”.
gravenimage says
Wellington, Quota, Kay, ECAW, and DFD, a long time ago, when I first started seeing a few Anti-Jihadists actually applauding Jihad terror attacks because they thought that this would wake people up, I disagreed for two reasons.
Firstly, of course, that I don’t want to see *anyone* suffer from vicious Jihadists.
And then–more salient here–that we should not assume that more Jihad terror is apt to wake people up. Of course, there will always be a few people who will not pay attention until Jihad strikes right in their backyard, and you do hear of people who finally began to be alarmed over Islam because of the latest Jihad terror attack.
But in general, if some hasn’t become at least somewhat concerned after 9/11, 7/7, the Paris attacks, San Bernardino, Orlando, the tsunami of sexual assaults across Europe, and the almost 30,000 Jihad terror attacks all over the world, that one more may make no difference to them.
Even worse–as I have noted–is that some will go straight from ignoring or even rejecting the idea that Islam is a threat to accepting this insanity as the “new normal”.
Some, of course, go even further, and assume that Islam has already won, and have no intention on defending themselves.
Even here at Jihad Watch, we sometimes run into this passive surrender.
I believe this is even more perverse in many ways than ignoring the problem.
Just another obstacle for those of us willing to fight for our freedoms and civilized values to overcome.
quota raven says
To Gravenimage, regarding “And then–more salient here–that we should not assume that more Jihad terror is apt to wake people up. ..if some hasn’t become at least somewhat concerned after 9/11, 7/7, the Paris attacks, San Bernardino, Orlando, the tsunami of sexual assaults across Europe, and the almost 30,000 Jihad terror attacks all over the world, that one more may make no difference to them….some will go straight from ignoring or even rejecting the idea that Islam is a threat to accepting this insanity as the “new normal”…”
While I agree with what you say, it does challenge all common sense that people are capable of this level of self-delusion. Although I should realize that people do this all the time…I lived in Boulder, Colo in the early 70s, at the height of cultism and “thinking makes it so” non-thinking, which I found beyond comprehension!
It makes me very edgy and nuts, and when you suggest, correctly, that we at JW should “fight” against this thinking, I can only talk to so many people, and, like Wellington has recently noted about his similar efforts, I am making almost no headway at all! Even people close to me prefer to live with their heads in the sand. I also contact representatives and senators when critical legislation is on the table, but who knows whether or not they even give passing acknowledgment to my opinions. It’s all pretty daunting.
Please advise!
Cheers!
quota raven
quota raven says
Graven – And, I hasten to add, I do not welcome ANY sort of jihad activity, least of all high-profile attacks on innocents, to “wake these people up” although I hadn’t reached the conclusion that you have: that they will not be swayed by yet another attack if they haven’t been already, until I read your comment.
Reluctantly, I have to agree with you there as well. qr
ECAW says
Graven – you said:
“Firstly, of course, that I don’t want to see *anyone* suffer from vicious Jihadists”
Nor do I but I am firmly convinced that we face two threats, military jihad and stealth (or civilisational) jihad which is the more dangerous by far. We have a choice of lesser or greater evils. To put what one wants to see or not into the equation is – sorry – self-indulgent.
A long time ago, as a stroppy youth, I brought up a story about Churchill to an older wiser person who had been through the war. I don’t know if it was true but the story was that a Dutch submarine spotted the Japanese squadron on its way to Pearl Harbour and radioed the news back to base. It reached Churchill who supposedly sat on it because he knew that was what it would take to bring the US into the war. She just said “But he didn’t want to do it” which shut me up and made me realise how right she was and how wrong I was. Her response had a lasting effect on me.
and:
“we should not assume that more Jihad terror is apt to wake people up”
Well, one woke me up and from what I see here that is par for the course. I do not say they are bound to wake the frog up before it is effectively boiled but I do say they are what stand the best chance of doing so. We may yet just subside – RS thinks Britain is already beyond hope – but I hope the population of the West can yet be roused into action. We have agreed here in this thread that personal contact and rational argument do not seem to be doing the job.
Happy new year to you.
quota raven says
To ECAW, who recalls “She just said “But he didn’t want to do it” which shut me up and made me realise how right she was and how wrong I was.”
Yikes, ECAW. That is some lesson. Scary, worthy of serious thought. Pretty bottom line and compelling, if at some level shocking. Can’t dismiss it as anything but prescient.
And Happy New Year to you.
Cheers!
quota raven
Phil Copson says
ECAW – re your story that Winston Churchill knew of the imminent Japanese attack on Hawaii but chose not to pass the information on to the American government, in the hope that the Japanese attack would bring America “into the war”…….
One query is why the Dutch government would pass the info along to the British government but not to America …………?
More importantly – and I hope that some of you historians can answer this – is why we all now take it for granted that that the Japanese attack “brought America into the war” ?
An obvious question is “which war” ? There was a understandable reluctance on the part of American politicians and voters to get involved in a European war for a second time, so surely the Japanese attack in the Pacific must have made many people even less keen to get involved in the European war when they now had a Pacific war to fight ? What was the political debate at the time ?
And of course, America did not “come into the war” voluntarily – it was forced into it willy-nilly after firstly Japan attacked, and then Germany declared war; so is there any documentary evidence that America would have intervened in Europe but for Germany’s declaration ?
Would love to hear some comments here……
gravenimage says
Hi, Quota. Yes, the degree of willful denial people are capable of is truly astonishing–but we have seen this before. Many in the free West were completely in denial over the threat of Fascism before WWII, and even chose to consider Fascism “modern”, and something the US and Britain should welcome.
gravenimage says
ECAW wrote:
Graven – you said:
“Firstly, of course, that I don’t want to see *anyone* suffer from vicious Jihadists”
Nor do I but I am firmly convinced that we face two threats, military jihad and stealth (or civilisational) jihad which is the more dangerous by far. We have a choice of lesser or greater evils. To put what one wants to see or not into the equation is – sorry – self-indulgent.
…………………………
ECAW, violent Jihad and stealth Jihad have exactly the same goals–subjugating us Infidels to Islam.
As for one’s wants being “self-indulgent”, I don’t suppose you also consider wanting to see us safe from Islam self-indulgent, as well?
What I meant was I want to see us defending against Islam on all fronts–and that means security, ending or at least slowing Muslim immigration, deportation, and efforts to block Shari’ah law and other forms of stealth Jihad.
More:
A long time ago, as a stroppy youth, I brought up a story about Churchill to an older wiser person who had been through the war. I don’t know if it was true but the story was that a Dutch submarine spotted the Japanese squadron on its way to Pearl Harbour and radioed the news back to base. It reached Churchill who supposedly sat on it because he knew that was what it would take to bring the US into the war. She just said “But he didn’t want to do it” which shut me up and made me realise how right she was and how wrong I was. Her response had a lasting effect on me.
…………………………
This conspiracy theory has been floating around for years–as well as the idea that Roosevelt already knew about it, etc. Why the Dutch would have alerted the British while saying nothing to the Americans has never made any sense.
But more to the point, it implies that Churchill was willing–even eager–to see American deaths is nothing but calumny. He was an ally of ours–even before we entered the war.
More:
and:
“we should not assume that more Jihad terror is apt to wake people up”
Well, one woke me up and from what I see here that is par for the course. I do not say they are bound to wake the frog up before it is effectively boiled but I do say they are what stand the best chance of doing so. We may yet just subside – RS thinks Britain is already beyond hope – but I hope the population of the West can yet be roused into action. We have agreed here in this thread that personal contact and rational argument do not seem to be doing the job.
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Yes–Jihad terror attacks do indeed wake some people up. But the idea that we just need more and more and after a certain point everyone will be alert to the threat and willing to fight is, as I have said, something I believe is mistaken.
There are those who are willing to just roll over for Islam–especially if they think we have no chance.
And no–I do not believe that rational argument should be abandoned. Thousands of people read here at Jihad Watch and at other Anti-Jihad sites every day.
If all I knew about were Jihad terror attacks, and nothing of how increasing numbers of good Infidels were acting to oppose Jihad, I might feel hopeless, as well. Instead, I know a lot of us stand together.
More:
Happy new year to you.
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Same to you, ECAW!
somehistory says
It is much harder in the U.S. to get a security job as one must know more than the spoken language to qualify for a position with a security firm. Many require experience. Perhaps that is also the case with actual citizens of Germany, and only the moslim “migrant” is given the job without knowing anything about the subject except how to offend with violence.
gravenimage says
Depends on the security firm, somehistory. They range from those that require extensive training and background checks and who often hire ex-police and ex-military to those that will hire almost any warm body, and pay them minimum wage.
I had several friends who got their first jobs as security guards for places like warehouses and golf courses. These were all good people–we aren’t talking about Jihadists or criminals. But they were all straight out of high school, had no skills and received no training on the job.
Luckily, they all got through it OK–but several now look back and realize that they were completely unqualified for such work. Most of them mostly hung out in the office and caught up on their reading. One even used a Walkman with earbuds and blasted music all night; he wouldn’t have heard a thing if the place had been invaded by burglars.
Carpediadem says
@Wellington
If you want people to do something about Islam you need to introduce it gradually as the initial task looks overwhelming.
Introduce them to a few sites, to the members of govt that campaign against jihad and equally to their reps that support it so they know the difference. Show them how jihadi types and Lefties terrorise Jews on campus and in general.
Show them the potential threat locally as well as internationally.
Once knowledge is established they may want to pursue political activity or simply support Trump.
None of this has anything to do with Muslims who are anti jihad and they need to realise this too, though being aware means well – being aware.
Pressure their pollies. Show them you’re keeping an eye on them. They need to know that.
Wellington says
Thanks to you, Carpediadem, for responding—–as to all others who responded to my post.
Respecting the gradual approach you recommended, I have tried that. I have also tried the “overload” approach too and everything in between. Sometimes I make headway, but more times than not I do not.
Those in the West who enjoy the many freedoms they do, purchased at great cost over the centuries since freedom isn’t free, are, for the most part, quite determined to remain ignorant of Islam’s inherent totalitarianism. For this reason I often fear that matters are too late to resolve, though the optimist that is left in me, coupled with the moronic religion which is Islam, still often times makes me wax nostalgic like.
I do hope the optimism that still resides in me, in addition to the massive monstrosity which is Islam, will eventually result in the best of the West prevailing over Mo’s warped creed,, which has never had “a best,” but only dominance due to the weakness of others, all the while parasitically surviving on non-Islamic achievements and, how so very Islamic, claiming such achievements as Islam’s own.
Fluid times no doubt. Freedom, I mean real freedom, hangs in the balance. All those defending Islam are profoundly ignorant here, whether out of ignorance of the malevolence which is Islam or by actual complicity with evil, since liberty and Islam have nothing in common. NOTHING. Never had. Never will.
Matthieu Baudin says
How much worse can the story get?
The depth to which incompetence has sunk.
Security requires judgement that leans towards pessimism, not the ‘wishful thinking’ that has exposed our daughters to a significantly heightened risk of rape.
Lesley says
…and how many Muslims will be involved in NYC’s security tomorrow evening? I dream of a (better) world without Islam.
David, Thailand says
The madness of one drives others mad.
Aussietrev says
The stupid, it burns, it burns. Please Donald, be good to your word and link up with Vlad to make it stop.
only the truth says
Well, you can’t fix stupid. Can you ???
Apparently the #Germans under #MamaMerkel have a #DeathWish :/
Its like allowing #FreddyKrueger to watch over children in hospitals
Or just like Hillary hired jihadists to guard the embassy in Benghazi – IDIOTS!!!
Neeways they are NOT #immigrants/#refugees….. this is a planned and coordinated invasion by the #Muslims… with the help of the #dhimmi politicians of western countries….
Hahaha ? the Shepherd is in Deep Sleep ??? and Wolves ??? are Guarding the Sheeps…..
It was all planned – pretty obvious #Rapefugees are going to have a field day 😉
Martin says
Yet another insane manifestation of leftist multiculturalism, an ideology of self-hate that is just as depraved as Islam…if not more so. Truly, it is the greater threat of the two.
SamKent says
This is too much! New Yorkers, read liberals, protect against Islamic terrorism in Times Square. And just who are the Islamophobes?
simpleton1 says
The young Germans have been sold a pig in a poke, about immigration and islam.
I have a young 20 year old German lad staying over with me.
He sincerely believes that that the immigrants will integrate and that Germans need these new workers as they will then eventually pay tax, that will help pay for their economy and the old people.
He sincerely believes that capitalism is bad system, and that people with much money should should share it out. Well that sounds nice but if they do not do so willingly then then it is the “states” duty to assist in this procedure.
He intends to be have only so much money, not too much as he does not want to be greedy. (lol from me) yet I get the more than impression that he is a mooch, and expects other people to contribute, being a very conscientious measured hour counter himself, but does not measure what he receives.
Nor does he intend if he gets married to have children as there are too many people in this world.
Seems to believe cities are the place to be, and party and much good times, and to only work regular hours.
It is the problem in smaller towns that complain too much (about immigrants) he reckons. And nor should they be listened to either.
A lot of stuff he tells me seems to come from his teachers, and schooling.
Like being green, not to burn plastic, going to as far as putting one’s house hold plastic into public “litter bins” and certain plastics that are not set up for recycling into card board boxes as they are accepted for recycling. I point out the hypocrisy of this and the saboutage of this to what is being recycled. Yet he still wants to do this.
Anyway I have got him to consider reading the koran, with understanding of chronological order and to pick up on the abrogation verses, and then to establish credence of Bukhari hadith and others.
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I have meet a number of others from Europe that have this problem, not knowing what is going on, and nor do they want really want to know, as it changes so much of what they base their life on, in so many different ways.
The only changes they will make is incremental that comes with government guidance, yes self censure like to remove Christmas, etc. and to follow the German laws, as they abide with “islamic tolerance”
Their does not seem to any reasoning, thinking things through. Is this what their education system does? as it seems to blind them and runs in parallel to Angela Merkel’s thinking. And so that is why her support ratings are over 55%.
Whether I get through to him remains to be seen, and there is a lot of growing up to be done.
He is very self centered, though suddenly wakes up in a part that he has to be helpful, though it is very measure.
Nor does he accept that there was a problem last year.
Anne Smith says
He sounds very typical of the product being turned out these days from British state schools, full of rubbish from the left wing teachers (no one isn’t left wing is permitted to teach nowadays).
The Green agenda – I understand that the Greens are very dominant in Germany – is also pushed to the limit in British schools, plus the idea that capitalism is greed and socialism is virtuous and people friendly, not to mention the fact that putting the welfare of your own people first is incredibly RACIST!!
We have a bigger swamp than Trump faces.
simpleton1 says
“The Green agenda – I understand that the Greens are very dominant in Germany – is also pushed to the limit in British schools, plus the idea that capitalism is greed and socialism is virtuous and people friendly, not to mention the fact that putting the welfare of your own people first is incredibly RACIST!!”
plus xenophobia.
Yes, those ideologies are pushed like the fire and brimstone sermons, and no thinking is allowed.
Just a pure zealotry to ‘right a wrong’
So no questions can be asked just exactly what is the problem?
What solutions can be figured, and to understand possible consequences, is not taught and I gain the impression and dare say; they see it as the ‘final solution’.
How to turn it around I do not know, but I have certainly had some “up and under” for him, to consider.
Well one step at a time, and keep on chewing.
All the Best for the New Year to every one here,
As talking about this is great and gives heart to continue, at what ever level we can do.
Thank you.
somehistory says
Yes, a “pig in a poke” and when they open the bag (the poke) out comes the cat to claw and scratch.
Mr. Spencer, Mr Ibrahim, Ms. Geller, Mr. Greenfield, Mr. Glazov, and others are trying to “let the cat out of the bag” before any more get taken in and come to be severely scratched. It’s just really sad that so many would rather blindly buy the bag, hoping it has a pig.
Phil Copson says
Not sure that you’re right there on the etymology of the phrase? – a “pig in a poke” surely refers to a “poke bonnet” – a style of ladies hat – so that the old expression “a pig in a poke” simply means the same as the current expressions “like putting lip-stick on a pig” and “you can’t polish a —-” ie, no amount of superficial presentation will get you away from the fact that the basics simply aren’t there.
gravenimage says
somehistory is correct, Phil. “Poke” is an old term for “bag”–so buying a “pig in a poke” means not checking out what it is that you are purchasing.
Basically, buying a “pig in a poke” means you are either buying a low-quality product sight unseen, or even that that you are having something altogether different palmed off you–such as a stray cat instead of a pig.
As for the poke bonnet, it was so named because it had a deep brim, like a bag, and so sheltered the wearer’s face from the sun. It was especially popular among pioneers and other women working outdoors–but it also enjoyed a fashionable vogue early on.
Here is a 19th-century cartoon lampooning the style, where you can especially see its bag-like shape:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_bonnet#/media/File:Les_invisibles_en_t%C3%AAte_%C3%A0_t%C3%AAte.jpg
The term “pig in a poke” much predates the fashion for the poke bonnet–it dates back at least to the Middle Ages.
There are many old sayings and similies employing pigs as symbols.
Phil Copson says
Thank you “gravenimage” for kindly forwarding me an, er….engraved image. Most appropriate.
Entirely understand the meaning of the expression, thanks – was just querying whether “poke” really referred to a bag..
(One trouble here is that the net is brimming-over* with people posting absurd explanations of old sayings – even ones that came about within living memory, eg – the publicity for the film “The Full Monty” about unemployed men becoming strippers, attempted some cock-eyed explanation about it being a reference to Field-Marshall Montgomery’s breakfast! The alternative explanation that it was a reference to amateur entrants in the Monte Carlo Rally years ago not having to do the full event that the works-teams did – ie, a “Half Monte” versus a “Full Monte” – is at least more plausible as well as more interesting….Note to self: ask my friend whose Grandfather navigated for Stirling Moss on the Monte’, if he knows…..Now that is a proper claim to fame for you – anyone can become President of the USA, they tell me – but how many can say they were Stirling Moss’s navigator…?
Women’s fashions/Poke bonnets etc; just looked on-line, and found that someone has drawn the cartoon that I have long wished to draw myself lampooning the “bustle”. (Being unable to draw, limited my artistic/comedic ambitions somewhat) Google “Does my bum look big in this?”
* the expression “brimming-over” derives from the old Cornish custom of spying on milk-maids by peering over the dairy-wall on St Michaelmas Eve. The young men of the village would get dressed-up in their best Sunday suit and hat, and set-off for the nearby dairy-farm to see if they could pick out a bride without being discovered. If the eager swain got carried away, and leant too far forward, the brim of his hat would protrude over the top of the wall – hence “brimming-over” – and the first milk-maid to catch hold of it could insist that he married her forthwith at the annual village Bull-Strangling……maybe..
Hector Archytas says
In Bataclan in Paris, all security is muslim. This should be no surprise as the 20 % muslim looking for work are focusing on working the the army or securtity rather that in construction work.
quota raven says
Well, Hector, Maybe they just like stabbing and shooting and blowing up people more than they like banging nails and sawing wood. Ya think? Have a look around!!!
Cheers!
quota raven
Aussie Infidel says
“Muslim migrants employed as security guards?” What an oxymoron!
Unfortunately, this is not a unique incident. During the last 12 months, I have travelled extensively overseas, and in many countries (including the US) there were Muslims employed as border guards. It was difficult to believe. Back home here, almost all the security firms have hired Muslims. There is even a Muslim security guard at our local council offices, where our anti-Islam action group meets. So we are always very discrete and careful about maintaining our own security.
Western governments have become so politically correct and inept that they have allowed Muslims to use our freedoms against us. It really has become a case of the foxes guarding the hen house. Muslims must be excluded from all such positions of authority, because it is not possible to easily determine who are peaceful and who are militants, and Islam is antithetical to Western values. Only native born citizens and carefully vetted immigrants who have been granted citizenship, should be allowed to apply for such jobs. But that will not happen until we have the political will to declare Islam a criminal ideology.
Unfortunately most religious people regard such a move as anathema. They are reluctant to target any religion – even one as evil as Islam, because they regard religion as a sacred cow, not to be challenged in any way. But Islam is a belligerent ideology which will continue to push its way into the West, as long as they are legally allowed to do so. And eventually we will become victims of our own timidity. We must fight Islam on all fronts, including legally, using ‘lawfare’ as they do against us; but that will require a change of political strategy. If we fail to act – and act decisively – we are setting ourselves up for a civil war against an entrenched Muslim fifth column, and you can bet your last dinar that the ‘Muslim security guards’ would be part of that force.
May 2017 be the year when the tide begins to turn against Islam. With a president like Trump leading the US, hopefully we will see some progress. As Churchill said of the fight against the Nazis, “This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning.”
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Churchill+-+end+of+the+beginning&view=detail&mid=B6A03A726F4302BC15B2B6A03A726F4302BC15B2&FORM=VIRE
Crusades Were Right! says
If the Germans keep going as they have done, then we may see the events of last New Year’s Eve become a tradition – a multi-culti part of Germany’s festival calendar:
Kuffarfrauleinrapefestnacht, anyone?
Arminius says
Serious wit and linguistic skill. Perhaps the German people will wake up and reinstitute Clan Punishment. Killislamisistsfestnacht. Pork sausages for all. Of course the Germans will probably celebrate ApologizetoMoslemsfestnacht.
Jack HOLAN says
Robert Spencer you couldn’t write a fiction this good! If you managed to succeed in writing one as good as the reality people wouldn’t buy it because for them it would be too far out there and unbelievable. So they wouldn’t buy the book. The German government has now helped us against themselves. All we need do is disseminate these fin findings to the German people.
uran says
ok, people in the EU think, that KNOWN SEX PERVERTS, can be trusted to GUARD & PROTECT society on NEW YEARS EVE. wonder if the EU leadership are actually educated people or just DRONES on auto drive.
Undaunted says
Well, guess what, boys and girls: security in the US is not much better. As an expert in the field, I can tell you to expect Muslim “security” personnel to play important roles on surveillance and attack teams here. Yeah, that means the Muslim guards you walk by every day.
gravenimage says
This is probably the case…
Darla Davis says
Dear Germany: Are you asleep? Wake up for your…your government is putting you in harms way.
USA, same problem but we can see it.
Mark Berlinger says
Merkel’s attempts at ending German, European and Western Civilization is an extension of self-hatred. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Paul Wheeler says
Having Muslims provide security for unclothed Western whores (their view, not mine) ranks right up there with having Hell’s Angels provide security at rock concerts.
Hello Altamont!