“The disgraceful stance came to light when a member of the public complained about death threats posted to an online forum which called for homosexuals to be ‘burned, decapitated and slaughtered.'” Yet this “anti-discrimination watchdog” refused to pursue the case, writing: “The remarks must be seen in the context of religious beliefs in Islam, which juridically takes away the insulting character.”
In their globalist ardor to appease and accommodate Islamic supremacists, there seems to be no absurdity that is out of bounds for the political elites.
“Fury as watchdog says it’s OK to send gay people death threats – but only if you’re Muslim,” by Nick Gutteridge, Express, December 3, 2016 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
FURIOUS Dutch MPs have demanded an immediate public inquiry after a government-backed watchdog said it was acceptable for Muslims to send gay people death threats.
In a shocking move, the taxpayer-funded hotline said it would not pursue a criminal complaint over horrific messages from radical Islamists because the Koran says gay people can be killed.
The disgraceful stance came to light when a member of the public complained about death threats posted to an online forum which called for homosexuals to be “burned, decapitated and slaughtered”.
Dutch MPs today reacted with horror to the revelations, demanding an immediate inquiry into the remarks and calling for the hotline to be stripped of public funding.
According to Dutch media advisors from the anti-discrimination bureau MiND said that, while homophobic abuse was usually a crime, it was justifiable if you were Muslim due to laws on freedom of religious expression.
They argued that the Koran says it is acceptable to kill people for being homosexual, and so death threats towards gay people from Muslims could not be discriminatory.
In a jaw-dropping email explaining why they could not take up the complaint, they wrote: “The remarks must be seen in the context of religious beliefs in Islam, which juridically takes away the insulting character.”
They concluded that the remarks were made in “the context of a public debate about how to interpret the Quran” and added that “some Muslims understand from the Quran that gays should be killed”.
And they went on: “In the context of religious expression that exists in the Netherlands there is a large degree of freedom of expression. In addition, the expressions are used in the context of the public debate (how to interpret the Koran), which also removes the offending character.”
The death threats had been made in the comments section for an article about a Dutch-Moroccan gay society, which had been posted to an online platform for Holland’s large Moroccan community….

Angemon says
Do the Dutch laws on freedom of expression include justifying breaking the law? What would happen if a Christian, or Jew, or Zoroastrian, etc., made similar remarks and defend themselves saying it was the tenets of their religion? Because I was under the impression that nowhere in the world a law on freedom of expression allowed breaking other laws.
And they wonder why Wilders is rising in popularity…
No. There’s a difference between saying what the quran says and making threats or calls to action. Saying “the quran says that homosexuals are to be killed” is not the same as saying “kill homosexuals” or “go kill homosexuals as it says in the quran”. You can be “offended” that the quran ordains the death for homosexuality, but that the quran ordains death for homosexuality does NOT grant someone free reign to break the law. Either those statements were academic descriptions and discussions of what the qurans says or they were not, and if they were not, they were, under Dutch law, a crime.
gravenimage says
Good post.
PRCS says
Hope all is well with you in Oakland.
gravenimage says
Yes, I’m doing well, PRCS. Same to you!
jayell says
“According to Dutch media advisors from the anti-discrimination bureau MiND said that, while homophobic abuse was usually a crime, it was justifiable if you were Muslim due to laws on freedom of religious expression.”
So crime is legal if you’re a muslim. In other words, if you’re a muslim you are not accountable to the law of the land. That is the ‘logic’ of the conquering invader, and the Dutch people should remember this from the WW2 years – Nazis Mk 1 then, Nazis Mk2 now, or is Islam perhaps the original National Socialist Party? Who’s going to save them this time round?
Vyx says
Here’s the current PC rundown in the USA:
black is greater than white
gay is greater than straight
islam is greater than all other religions
islam tops all in the US in terms of preferred victim groups.
john spielman says
so if these muslim DEATH threats are acceptable because of Dutch religious tolerance- why is Geert Wilders on trial for simply stating his opinion that there are too many Moroccans in Holland?
Guest says
Because he can’t use ‘religion’ as an excuse. I’m horrified at the leniency religion is still permitted in this milenium. Religious institutions are given tax breaks, government funding (ie forced payments by all taxpayers) and religious nutters get no penalty for death threats.
Whether or not other religions would have the same leniency is one question, but of course nobody, for any reason, should be allow to issue death threats.
Manual Paleologos says
That is true in a Civilized country, not in a barbaric islamic state. The Dutch have to decide whether they want to retain their civilization, or to submit and sink into barbarism. Right now, it seems the barbarians are winning.
Walter Sieruk says
This is a very flitting time to reiterate a “joke” that is not really meant to be funny but to make a point. Which is there is something to the semi-joke about the different t kind of negative kind of behavior of a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian male and the kind of behavior of a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim male when they encounter, at different times, a homosexual man. For when a Fundamentalist Baptist Christian man meets a “gay” man, that type of Christian will say many very ignorant things to him and as a result of those ignorant things said that “gay” man will end up with a headache. In contrast, when a Fundamentalist Salafist Muslim man encounters a homosexual man, that type of Muslim will cut that “gay” man’s head off.
Guest says
Here’s a funny but true story: I’ve repeatedly experienced this: young men from a religious background arguing strongly with me, a liberal, against homosexuality. I’ve thought ‘what do you care, if you’re hetero, fine – why care what two men do in a bedroom?’. Within months, these men have come to terms with their inner conflict and come out as gay.
I think I deserved a box of chocolates from them or at least a ‘thank-you’ for having bothered arguing with them to help them realise that being gay is ok, a point of view they presumably hadn’t heard from others.
From this experience I suspect that most men arguing so desperately against homosexuality are really trying to come to terms with the fact that they are gay. Otherwise, why the heck care so much?
john spielman says
perhaps it is because they do not want their children or grand children to be indoctrinated in that lifestyle, as it is a sin, and sin is unacceptable to God
Guest says
As I said, the ones who argued most aggressively turned out to be gay. I don’t indoctrinate anyone, but since they wanted my opinion, I gave it.
Vyx says
perhaps they are arguing because they want children and grandchildren.
Terry Brengle says
@john spielman. WOW! You’re so smart! You really ought to join ISIS and help them push as many sinful homosexuals off the roofs, as possible.
Let me tell you something, sunshine ; First, God has created some of us gay. You want to call God a sinner, knock yourself out! Second, there is no “gay lifestyle”, just like there is no “straight lifestyle”. Some people are monogamous, some are promiscuous. It is God who will judge us, not some fool like you!
JayT says
This is the typical argument of trying to color the world with a box of crayons. Because Jared from the Subway sandwich commercials was proven to be a pedophile this must mean “most” of the employees and customers of Subway are also pedophiles that are simply “in the closet” for now.
The vast majority of gays I’ve observed in the work place and education sector are not merely content to live their lives as such, but are actively promoting their lifestyle in all the ways they can.
This is where I have a problem with the gay community. For them to force the concept into the education system, into the children’s textbooks and TV shows, and other avenues of public viewing smacks of an agenda. The main goal being to see the day where the gay lifestyle is held in the same regard and acceptance by all that the hetero lifestyle holds.
Clearly because I’ve exposed a few gays before of admitting to doing just that, you are posting here the subject in the hopes of doing the same by turning the topic in the direction you favor versus the one it originally was.
See how I did the same thing as you just did? A conclusion without facts or even a remote sense of being able to speak on the subject with authority.
gravenimage says
Some people in the West, such as yourself, are uncomfortable with gay people. I doubt you want to hang them from cranes or throw them off tall buildings, though, as pious Muslims do.
I think that is the main issue here, not whether gays should be “out” or not.
Muslims are not just going to target gay people–but Christians and Jews and any Infidels. Under Islam, no one is safe.
Manual Paleologos says
I have observed largely the same thing. The most rabid anti-homosexuals are secretly afraid of their own repressed homosexual urges.
James From Boston says
You and “Guest” are correct that the most viciously, violently homophobic among us are experiencing serious same-sex attraction. There are studies that confirm this, including a Harvard study.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-sexual-continuum/201204/are-homophobic-people-really-gay-and-not-accepting-it
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/
Mac-101 says
Anyone who calls for the establishment of the Caliphate or the implementation of Sharia Law needs deported immediately from whence they came. If born in this country we need to pay the Somalian or Yemen government to take them.
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Calls for violence against any group due to religious beliefs need to handled the same way.
Vlad says
Did the Somalian or Yemeni Government pay any money to any of the Western Nations to take their shit?
Just declare this human excrement “Persona Non-Grata”and send them back to where he/she or their forebears came from.
Mac-101 says
Agree, just tryin to simplify the problem and make it more palatable to those of us who are more sensitive. LOL!
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, Mac, if we were to pay Yemen or Somalia to take back their citizens, I think two things would happen–first, they would send even more Mohammedans to us, so that we would pay them to take them back.
And then, they would use that money to wage violent Jihad against us.
Mac-101 says
Of course ALL immigration of practicing Muslims MUST be stop. I believe it is impossible for a Muslim to NOT work at establishing the Caliphate and implementing Sharia Law. I wonder what really happened in Spain in 1492 for the King and Queen to throw out ALL the Muslims?
gravenimage says
1492 was the year that native Spaniards were able to retake the entire country from Muslim invaders, and they drove the invaders out.
Carolyne says
I think some Westerners such as Hillary Clinton has taken money from Yemen but I know of no case of Somali largesse
Chabuco says
Genocide, it’s halal as long as you’re Muslim.
MRR says
THEN ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL IT WOULD BE ONLY NATURAL THAT PREEMPTIVE ACTION BE TAKEN BY NOT ONLY THE GAYS BUT EVERY INFIDEL. WHETHER BY THE USE OF A TRADITIONAL MORA KNIFE AXE SHOVEL PICK AND OR THE LAPUA ROUND WITH OPTICS OR IRON SIGHTS THE RESPONSE SHOULD BE AN IMMINENT ONE INSOFAR AS WHAT IS THE NORMAL RESPONSE TO ANY AND ALL DEATH THREATS
I’M AT A LOSS TO UNDERSTAND
THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IF THERE IS ONE EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT ONLY PREEMPTIVE SELF DEFENSE CAN AND MUST BE THE ONLY WAY TO CORRECT A DECISION MADE IN FAVOR OF THE CHAOTIC FASCIST SHARIA THAT HAS TO BE STOPPED.
gravenimage says
Civilized Infidels do not do this–we just have to enforce our own laws, including those against threats.
Norbert says
Netherlands: Lay down, spread your legs and prepare to enjoy being raped. It’s OK, seen in the light of a religious imperative inherent in Islam.
Enjoy, and yes, you built that.
gravenimage says
Netherlands: Government-funded watchdog says it’s ok for Muslims to send death threats to gays
“The disgraceful stance came to light when a member of the public complained about death threats posted to an online forum which called for homosexuals to be ‘burned, decapitated and slaughtered.’” Yet this “anti-discrimination watchdog” refused to pursue the case, writing: “The remarks must be seen in the context of religious beliefs in Islam, which juridically takes away the insulting character.”
………………………….
It is not that these remarks are “insulting”, it is that they are *threatening*–and not mildly so, but *threatening death*.
Suicide from the Low Countries…
no_one says
Soon it may be okay for Muslims to kill Christians due to religious beliefs.
762x51FMJ says
Yes and if Obama and Hillary would have had their way, every attack would be an isolated incident that had nothing to do with Islam. All covered up if no one knows then it never happened, Hush, Hush.
On every street corner, in every school, Under Obama Hillary if your entire family is exterminated by terrorists, you got what you deserved.. They then go and praise the local mosque for their good deed radicalizing the attacker, r as they did in Oklahoma after Vaughn foods, they didn’t even console the victims families but congratulated the mosque instead..
no_one says
Let’s hope that Trump gets in office. Democrats are trying to prevent this. Recounts that may not be done on time, may be ballot forging, electoral college bribing and harassing.
Jack Holan says
The Leftist of Europe, who rule their Countries more and more like Autocrats, don’t get it that they are fighting a War with Muslims to the Death. The Face a grizzly end like anyone else who is a Christian or Jew. This the picture they don’t see. They’re tolerated as long as they are useful in paving a ruling future or a position of Power for Muslims. So, through Demographic, Intimidation, violence, barbaric behavior, the Courts, the Useful Idiots in Government, Media and All Institutions of Learning the Muslims are Winning and will ultimately unless the European electorate throws out the Leftists replaces them with more Nationalistic Parties both inside the Country’s Political System AND the EU. Most of the NGOs are Leftist Organizations such as Soros or the Stealth Muslim Brotherhood ilk. They should be highly regulated, audited not only for how money is spent and for what it is spent but how money is transferred, check to see if the money was spent as intended by physical check and audit of the recipients ledgers. Additionally, donors should be checked out for terrorist affiliations and contributons, where, when and how.
no_one says
The short answer to your question is that they already are doing so and are in a unoffial Compact with the ‘Leaders’ of the Christian’ World and Countries. Even when terrorist acts are cut and dry the Security Organizations, Politcal Pudits and Media go into hyperdrive to find any treatment of Mental Health, Psych-tropic medications, Internet Radicalization from ISIS, Al Queda, song & dance story of his/her life to explain the Non-Islamic actions of a ‘lone wolf”.
No Fear says
Was there a discussion of the Quran’s position on gays or was it just a bunch of threats against gays?
There is a big difference. Robert discusses the Quran’s position on all types of issues and yet he has never threatened anyone. I wish the “discussion” was shown so we could all look at it.
762x51FMJ says
VOTE PVV..Geert Wilders. The Party For Freedom from Islam , May 2016 !
Tommy says
…but if Christians say homosexuality is a sin….WW3 against those…
Damocles Junior says
Exactly. But as a side issue I thought the Netherlands pioneered laws to allow sexual freedom as well as anti-discrimination laws to protect homosexuals from being criticised. Yes a total double standard here, just like everything else involving the protection of Islam and it’s followers.
no_one says
Christians hate sin, but love the sinners. We are all sinners and Jesus died for us. Sinners should be given every chance to repent.
Guest says
Arrogance is a sin too. Matthew 7:3-5.
no_one says
Are you saying I am arrogant? You are not quoting correctly.
Guest says
Yes, you do seem to be arrogant. “Matthew 7:3-5New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
Savvy Kafir says
For the suicidally PC, it’s impossible for Muslims to be insulting. But this may be the first time the PC Police have been this explicit in absolving Muslims of malice.
A right-wing Christian expressing the very same view would be (justly) condemned in the strongest possible terms. But if you’re a dusky-hued hate-monger from some barbaric third-world culture, you are not accountable for anything you say.
Jack Holan says
Just as these genius Media Advisors what Country they live and Criminal Code they represent. Is murder acceptable in the Netherlands or mortal threats? Does the it depend upon Class, Religion or some other quality. I’ll remind these fools after the Gays or concurrent with them the Media Advisors may run afoul of the Laws of Blasphemy and lose their heads too. Will that be acceptable? Its in the Quran, you don’t understand.
Westman says
“In the context of religious expression that exists in the Netherlands there is a large degree of freedom of expression…”
Oh, really? Does the name Geert Wilders stimilate a few neurons the “advisors” necrotic brains?
Carolyne says
The trial of Geert Wilders is absolutely disgraceful. It will forever be a blot on the Netherlands. Imagine putting someone on trial for something they said. Unbelievable.
Lucretius says
Good, good. The Dutch left is digging the hole which Geert Wilders will bury them in.
Crusades Were Right! says
“I don’t want to bake a cake for a homosexual union because that goes against my Christian beliefs.”
Response: “Sue the bigot! Boycott him! Fine him! Prosecute him! Send him to prison!”
“I want to kill homosexuals because of my Islamic beliefs.”
Response: “Leave him alone, you bigots! He’s only exercising his freedom of religious conscience!”
Equality… yay!
no_one says
Do you know that crusaders actually sacked Constantinople. Thanks to them we have European Turkey.
Carolyne says
No, that would be Kemal Atatürk who Westernized Turkey and separated the government from religion. That distinction is disappearing by the day under Erdogan who is trying to establish a new Caliphate.
Steve Kiefer says
Let’s not forget the Netherlands is the same place putting Geert Wilders on trial for “hate speech”
So a Muslim says kill gays, no big deal Geert Wilders says Morrocan immigration should be lmited–ding ding ding- hate speech-hate speech.
Liberals cannot be trusted with these laws.
Jack Holan says
Far Left=Free Speech if it agrees with what the Left says or thinks at that moment in time
Carolyne says
Actually no one can be trusted to censor speech. Speaking is not a crime. Acting on threatening speech is a crime. IMO neither the left or the right can be trusted to define “Hate speech.”. It depends on one’s point of view.
commonsense says
“…the taxpayer-funded hotline said it would not pursue a criminal complaint over horrific messages from radical Islamists because the Koran says gay people can be killed.”
Here we go again – the same old faulty nomenclature. What, pray tell, is a “radical Islamist?” Is there a difference between an “Islamist” and an ordinary Muslim? If so, please explain how one would make that distinction. And, once this distinction has been clearly made – assuming that this is even possible – we may then proceed to ask if there are Islamists who are not radical, but merely “moderate?” If so, how can one make that distinction? And are “radical Islamists” different from “radical jihadists?” Again, if so, how? And are there “moderate jihadists?”
Dizzy yet?
Carolyne says
Common sense tells me there is no such thing as “Radical Islam.”. As Erdogan said, “There is only Islam.”
Johan elzinga says
Thanks for writing about this! The gay community was in arms about this, and a site that quite frequently writes about the silencing culture in the Netherlands brought this news item to my attention. Finally it was discussed in Parliament and it was decided that this anti discrimination platform that in fact now acted as a big promotor of backward islamic idea that it was ok to state that gay people should be killed would keep state funding. As the Dutch saying goes: ze dronken een glas, ze deden een plas and alles bleef zoals het was ( = they drunk a glass, they went to urinate and everything stayed as it was before).
gravenimage says
I’m glad to hear that this has actually been getting a lot of push back, Johan.
linnte says
Without ANY consideration for how a death threat makes that gay person FEEL. Europe is flipping over and done with if the Government is thinking like this.
Jack Holan says
Another thing the so called “progressive and forward” Government of Netherlands has done is assign it’s citizens to different tiers or classes with a caste system of rights; some higher and some lower. Wait, this has been done before amongst a Germanic People. I remember it! It was NAZI Germany! Next, it will be other Groups.
gravenimage says
We are supposed to fret over how any acknowledgement of Islam being violent makes Muslims feel, and yet not care about the fear of people faced with Muslim threats and violence. Madness.
Carolyne says
I do not believe it is the proper role of governments to protect people from feeling bad.
Our Constitution does not guarantee that we will never have our feelings hurt.
Matthieu Baudin says
‘… In a jaw-dropping email explaining why they could not take up the complaint, they wrote: “The remarks must be seen in the context of religious beliefs in Islam, which juridically takes away the insulting character.” …’
This provides an excellent insight into how Cultural Relativists think – gone down the drain is the notion of Universal Human Rights or Universal Moral Standards. To their way of thinking society is composed of competing autonomous cultural groups each with their own standards and values that should be left alone to decide what is right and wrong; whether they should follow the law or abandon it, and so on. It is a type of social hell that we’ve descended into, led along this path by the Postmodern Political Elite that holds sway throughout Western Europe.
UNCLE VLADDI says
And you can blame ALL of that on the inherent intrinsic flaw in our Western “education systems:”
Here’s how the so-called “soft” sciences aka “humanities” (sociology, psychology, even criminology) really work: They all started off by examining the various symptoms and EFFECTS of human group behavior, thinking, and of criminal free-will CHOICES, respectively, but then self-invalidated by looking for hidden mysterious predestined and predetermined inevitable force “CAUSES” of it all, which degraded them all into only one criminal, excuse-making alibi topic: “victimology!” So we get these two, permanently opposed philosophical poles:
Law-abiding Conservatives: “Criminal behavior is an effect of free-will choice!
Criminal libertines: “But what CAUSED that choice? There’s always a cause!”
Their implication is that there are no crimes nor criminals as we’re all “victims.”
But as Dracula proved, the real cause was the calculation they could get away with it!
His 14th Century Wallachia was the only place on earth ever to enjoy a ZERO crime-rate!
😉
Jeff says
It’s not about respect for religious beliefs. It’s about fear of Islamo-terror and the threat of violence against anyone who criticizes the religion of peace. People were frightened of the German Nazis for similar reasons.
UNCLE VLADDI says
i.e: “Well if you REALLY, really believe it’s OK to kill gays, then who are we to say our cultural beliefs in peace and lawful civilization are any better than your savage and barbaric beliefs in crime, nor to even think about trying to stop you or to force you to obey our silly “laws!””
Carolyne says
I believe that if there were a God he would be much too busy with important matters such as keeping the planers aligned than about human sexual practices. For myself I don’t care what consenting adults do in bed so long as they don’t harm each other. I doubt that a God would care either. I don’t understand a sexual attraction to a member of my own sex, but what business is it of mine if others do?
Muslims are very fond of the death penalty for almost any human act which goes a little to the right or left of their cult’s rules and they must be stopped. But there is a difference between saying something and actually acting on it. In countries where there is free speech and I believe that the US stands alone in this, we are pretty much free to say what we like on any subject, including Islam, but that freedom is fast becoming endangered.
Manual Paleologos says
Tell me again, why we expended lives and treasure to liberate The Netherlands from the Nazis, and to protect them from the Soviets. Never again.
Manual Paleologos says
They voted in the government that can do this to them. They put the government in place, they can overthrow it, violently if necessary. Until then, it’s their country. Their circus. Their monkeys.
When their country implodes, we must absolutely seal our borders against European refugees. Let them stay home and fight or die. Euronate on them. We don’t want their disease here. We have enough of their kind already.