“We are fighting terrorists who claim to fight on behalf of Islam. but they do not speak for over a billion Muslims around the world. And they do not speak for American Muslims, including many who wear the uniform of the United States of America’s military. If we stigmatize good patriotic Muslims, that just feeds the terrorist narrative. It fuels the same false grievances that they use to motivate people to kill.”
Maybe they don’t speak for Muslims in the U.S. and worldwide. But they do appeal to them on the basis of Islamic texts and teachings and it does not “stigmatize good patriotic Muslims” to point that out. In fact, Obama is blocking examination of the motivating ideology of the jihadis, and effective action against them, by claiming that such actions would “stigmatize good patriotic Muslims.” Good patriotic Muslims should have no objection to study of the jihadis’ ideology; after all, they ostensibly reject it don’t they?
“If we act like this is a war between the United States and Islam, we’re not just going to lose more Americans to terrorist attacks, but we’ll also lose sight of the very principles we claim to defend.”
Why will we lose more Americans to terrorist attacks? Obama is apparently working from the assumption that any acknowledgement of how jihadis base their war against the U.S. on Islamic principles will be used by those jihadis to recruit more Muslims, on the basis of the claim that the U.S. is at war with Islam. We have to watch what we say, or else Muslims who might otherwise have been placid will turn to jihad. This, too, is a kind of capitulation. Obama is surrendering the freedom of speech without a murmur of protest. He is also foreclosing upon the possibility of any examination of the jihad ideology — because that would give the impression that the U.S. is at war with Islam.
“The United States of America is not a place where some citizens have to withstand greater scrutiny or carry a special ID card or prove that they’re not an enemy from within.”
President-elect Trump isn’t actually proposing that. That’s just establishment media propaganda that Obama is repeating.
“Obama: If We Make Terrorism a War Between the U.S. and Islam, We Will Lose More Lives,” by Pam Key, Breitbart, December 6, 2016:
Tuesday in Tampa, FL at MacDill Air Force Base, President Barack Obama said warned against the stigmatization of “good patriotic Muslims” and that it would feed the “terrorist narrative.”
Obama said, “We are fighting terrorists who claim to fight on behalf of Islam. but they do not speak for over a billion Muslims around the world. And they do not speak for American Muslims, including many who wear the uniform of the United States of America’s military. If we stigmatize good patriotic Muslims, that just feeds the terrorist narrative. It fuels the same false grievances that they use to motivate people to kill.”
“If we act like this is a war between the United States and Islam, we’re not just going to lose more Americans to terrorist attacks, but we’ll also lose sight of the very principles we claim to defend,” he continued. “So let me final words to you as your commander in chief, be a reminder of what it is you’re fighting for, what it is that we are fighting for. The United States of America is not a country that imposes religious tests as a price for freedom. We’re a country that was founded so that people could practice their faiths as they choose. The United States of America is not a place where some citizens have to withstand greater scrutiny or carry a special ID card or prove that they’re not an enemy from within.”…
Havoc says
“No Muslims. No Mosques”
.
It works. Let’s give it a try
VRWC member77 says
This PUNK-IN-CHIEF little prick is coming out with this line so if an Islamic Terrorist attack occurs on Trump’s watch he can say “see, I told you so” like the sick little prick he is.
Peggy Noonan 8 years ago – I paraphrase: “Hopefully we won’t have to say at least Bush kept us safe after 9/11, unlike obama.”
Barry’s record speaks for itself so unfortunately that phrase can be repeated with veracity. But Barry always wanted to be a “citizen of the world.” Well here’s your WORLD RECORD COMPARED TO BUSH, bARRY:
World-wide terrorist numbers under Bush:
2001 3508
2002 2849
2003 3273
2004 7166
2005 7625
2006 15245
2007 20478
2008 10798
total 70942
World-wide Terrorist numbers under Obama *Including 9/11:*
2009 9176
2010 9233
2011 9086
2012 11546
2013 16777
2014 32863
2015 27594
2016 20031
total 136306
So as a “Citizen of the World” Obama has presided over NEARLY TWICE AS MANY MURDEROUS ISLAMIC TERRORIST DEATHS as Bush.
Champ says
ENABLER-IN-CHIEF!
Mong says
DHIMMI-IN-CHIEF!
Ram Ohri says
Obama is a dimwit !
Ram Ohri
Will Richards says
Well said…Obama spends more time defending and praising muslims than being honest about what is happening
Marty says
It’s called “liberalism” in the US & “socialism” in the UK.
Mature adults call it “cowardice” or “treason” according to the
context.
Eric says
Obama shot him self in the leg with his ideaolgy speech.
He said American won the Second World War against the Nazis. I wonder if America would have won the war against the Nazis, if he would Ignore the Nazi’s relation to the German population. He wouldn’t probably lift a finger to fight the Nazis
James Davis says
OBAMMA’S, Ludicrous, Statement;
Spoken Like A True Muslim!!!!
Eur says
The Spanish crown expelled the Moors and stopped jihad for hundreds of years. They have been reopened the doors to the Moors = Madrid 2004, 200 killed by Moroccan moros and to this day dozens of attempts of attack and hundreds of jihadists in the Spanish jails. Who does not see the relation is that he is blind,
With Moors = Jihad, war, slavery,
Without Moors = No jihad.
Truth Hurts says
You are absolutely correct.
Expell and ban all Muslims.
Why, because their holy book, the Koran, incites and promotes hatred and violence against Non-Muslims.
Gary says
And our rule of law would agree with you…..
Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952: Chapter 2 Section 212, is “the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by “force, violence, or other unconstitutional means.”
eduardo odraude says
Gary,
Chapter 2 Section 212 applies interestingly to Muslims — I notice that Section 212 says that a non-citizen can be excluded from the US merely for belonging to an organization that seeks US overthrow — in other words, to be excluded, a Muslim non-citizen does not need personally to believe in unconstitutional overthrow of the US government — the mere fact that the Muslim alien belongs to Islam, a religion that does seek the unconstitutional overthrow of the US by stealth jihad and open jihad, is sufficient to warrant exclusion.
http://www.quotingislam.blogspot.com
eagle says
I 1000% agree. Obama must have read the Quran, Muslim in chief should know better to make such a stupid statement. Thank our real god we have term limits at the oval office. The American people will suffer greatly for this bag head and all his mistakes and agenda. Trump will need a very large trash bag to get rid of the Obama’s nominees in Washington. .
eagle says
There is no such thing as good patriotic Muslim, the Muslims have no allegiance to America, only to their Allah. Putting their hand on the Quran instead of the holy bible is proof when pledging allegiance to America. The same goes for Ellison.Ellison is a fake American and should be removed from any position in government. Muslims only want to seize power of the United States and kill all non-believers. So far, Obama has failed at his agenda.
Know Thy Enemy says
“There is no such thing as good patriotic Muslim, the Muslims have no allegiance to America, only to their Allah.”
I agree. I once asked an uncomfortable question from an “atheist Muslim” who has many followers on Twitter, and he gave me the example of CNN’s Fareed Zakaria. Farid claims to be secular and open-minded regarding religion, but after Donald Trump proposed banning Muslims from entering the US, he declared himself to be Muslim. (See tweet here)
Fareed was born in India and is now a US citizen. In order to become a US citizen, a person has to take an oath of allegiance and swear loyalty to the US, and obviously Fareed too had to swear that oath. But when the going got tough (that is, when Trump talked about banning Muslims from US), Fareed showed where his allegiance truly lies- with the Muslim ummah!
How many other Fareed Zakarias are there in the US? And in the rest of non-Muslim world?
When a supposedly open-minded, secular person like Zakaria couldn’t stay true to his oath, what reason do we have to believe that the more devout ones would have any allegiance to America?
Eric Jones says
I have never trusted Fareed. Don’ let anyone in your country that belives in Sharia.
Eric
Neville J. Angove says
If “good” muslims only put their hands on the Koran, then they could be relegated as any fundamentalist. But “good” muslims put their trust in the Haddith, in Sharia, and in the religious interpretations of the leaders of their own flavour of Islam.
The large majority of “good” muslims support Sharia, for example, and Sharia adherents repeatedly claims Sharia is at war with all infidels, and “good” muslims must support terrorists (as happened with the terrorists after the varous Paris atrocities).
The whole world is at war with Islam. Muslims have declared that war, or support it. Obama is full of it, just another brown trout.
gravenimage says
Firstly, there are few “Qur’an-only” Muslims–then, the Qur’an itself is hideously violent and supremacist.
Michael Copeland says
“Muslims only want to seize power of the United States and kill all non-believers.”
Just a small refinement: what muslims WANT is not, in fact, important. After all,
“It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair.”
(Koran 33:36, part of Islamic law).
Muslims are INSTRUCTED to seize power and kill all non-believers:
“There can be no peace … . The Islamic movement can and must take power as soon as it is morally strong enough … to destroy the non Islamic power … .”
Alija Izetbegovic of Bosnia
(backed by NATO and the EU).
http://www.libertygb.org.uk/news/islams-vision-destruction-muslims-speak
themightygoose says
And to the bowing whore of Babylon Barack obama. Shut your trap and eat a banana.
John Burns says
Right. No Muslims, no mosques, no Muslim beheadings, rapes, infidels burned alive or drowned in cages, no gays hurled from roof tops, and no jilted males throwing acid in the faces of females.
Japan bans Muslims- why can’t we?
gravenimage says
I’m afraid the idea that Japan bans Muslims is mistaken. They do not allow may immigrants at all, and are far from Dar-al-Islam. But there are Muslims in Japan, and an increasing number of Mosques. So far, the population has been small enough that there have been few Jihad attacks. But no–Japan does not ban Muslims.
CatbirdCityPoet says
I think we’ve had all the advice from a Community Organizer we need…
Buford says
I have a news flash for you Obama Moslems do not belong on Western soil neither as citizens nor as Members of the Military look at that S O B that was active duty & killed several members
of the Military in Texas some years back also the same thing happened in Iraq there allegiance is with Islam keep them out.
damian says
I concur
Robert_k says
“Obama, that is certainly true with you. You are an enemy within and were elected President twice – no questions asked about your Islamic faith.
Ren says
I just can’t stand Obama stupidity anymore. I look forward to seeing him getting out of the White House so I don’t have to listen to his insane comments on islam anymore.
Charles says
I’m with you 100%
I can’t wait till he is gone, on trial and then in a federal prison!
james collins says
i hope to see Pres. Trump, immediately after taking the oath of office, turn to Obama and say “your under arrest”.
Wellington says
Good, patriotic Muslims?
Well, if such people are real patriots, then they are bad Muslims, which would mean they really aren’t good and patriotic to America after all because they are confused human beings and confused human beings can never be 1) really good; or 2) really patriotic.
Of course, Obama will never figure this out. But then there is an enormous amount of stuff this doofus will never figure out.
I have nothing but contempt for this man. Anyone who cherishes liberty and knows the price that freedom demands could do no other.
Obama is appalling. And in so may ways. January 20th can’t come too soon.
PRCS says
“Obama will never figure this out”
Don’t know if he doesn’t know or if he does.
Either way, he’s misinforming the general public.
Wellington says
Agreed. The effect is the same whether he is complicit or “simply” a fool.
underbed cat says
The only thing Obama has figured out, is that he can accommodate visa’s for massive amounts of muslim migration and can convince the public, there is no such thing as Islamic terrorism. If he smiles, talks calmly, keeps his MB , BLM,, Hollywood, media friends close, he can release prisoners.His calm, pausing phrases is melodic, he can pass anything over the line….like the Iranian deal, and all the signals to the like minded can focus on hate speech and racism.
Who knew it could be so easy.
StacyGirl says
Absolutely. No one, including the sharpest tool in America, would engage in the extremely dangerous adventures of opening the borders and treasury to savages. This is the execution of a plan wherein the end game is control.
Westman says
Patriotic-devout-Muslim is an oxymoron. In fact it’s an impossibility!
The Quran and Sunnah are replete with warnings about taking infidels as friends or accepting any laws made by man. No one is allowed to stand next to Allah; making laws. Quran 5:33 makes it quite clear that Muslims fighting for any army against Muslims are apostates.
What I find disconcerting is that the President knows full well, as a Muslim Apostate, he would be unsafe in the streets of any majority Muslim country that is a US ally – for that reason alone. Is he trying to change the nature of Islam with positive psychology? Fat chance.
eagle says
Obama is disgusting and an embarrassment to the American people.
epistemology says
Can Obama name any good patriotic American Muslims? The one who comes to my mind is Major Nidal who wore the uniform of the United States of America’s military and killed 13 of his fellow soldiers crying Allahu akhbar, very patriotic indeed. Obama is in permanent denial of obvious facts. Islam is a Nazi ideology firstly and a religion secondly. He’s is a stupid ignoramus. Congrats to all Americans, that you get rid of him on Jan 20th.
Stay well my friend and all the best to you and yours, take care.
gravenimage says
Good post and thanks, epistemology.
cs says
We who? We the Muslims are going to lose, then yes. Islam will lose, can’t wait.
Christianblood says
The blame goes to the kind of people who twice elected this kind of clueless personality to be their president.
Peggy says
Maybe the first time he fooled a lot of people and the second time he stole votes.
Who knows how this creature did it?
Angemon says
Hi Christianblood . You wrote:
“The blame goes to the kind of people who twice elected this kind of clueless personality to be their president.”
Blame for what, exactly? And can you point to where in Obama’s campaigns and manifestos that “what” was spelled out?
Christianblood says
Angemon
“future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”
Obama
Angemon says
Christianblood:
“Russia has always been the most faithful, reliable and consistent defender of the interests of the Islamic world. Russia has always been the best and most reliable partner and ally. ”
– Vladimir Putin
See? I, too, can randomly quote from the defective product of a communist upbringing.
Now, you asked you a couple of questions. Could you please answer them? Here, allow me to refresh your memory. You wrote:
“The blame goes to the kind of people who twice elected this kind of clueless personality to be their president.”
Blame for what, exactly? And can you point to where in Obama’s campaigns and manifestos that “what” was spelled out?
BTW, on another topic you went well out of your way to assure me that the Iranian regime and the Iranian people had nothing in common and that talking about the Iranian regime was not the same than talking about the Iranian people who’ve been voting it in for decades. Why are you applying the exact opposite logic when it comes to Americans and Obama? Americans voted Obama’s successor out, Iranians voted Ahmadinejad’s successor in…
gravenimage says
True–there is plenty of dhimmitude–and worse–to go around.
The difference is that Anti-Jihadists here do not whitewash and support dhimmitude in the West–or wherever we find it.
Benedict says
You are right CB. Leaders and regimes and their electorates in the West have naively and to a regrettable extent failed to discern the vicious and deceptive dual nature of Islam, and sometimes it’s a painful process to have one’s eyes opened.
Christianblood says
Benedict posted
(..You are right CB. Leaders and regimes and their electorates in the West have naively and to a regrettable extent failed to discern the vicious and deceptive dual nature of Islam..)
Very well-said, Benedict!
Baucent says
That includes those deceptive Iranian Shiites who pretend online to be something else, isn’t that right “Christianblood” or is it really “Shiiteblood”?
Christianblood says
Baucent
If we put the American-made Iranian regime aside and count every single one of the 20.000 jihadist attacks that happened in the world since 9/11 it is clear that they are all perpetrated by the Wahhabi,Salafi jihadist ideology which is based and practiced in Saudi Arabia,the birth place of islam…And BTW, the Iranian regime is actually made in America after jihadist-loving America turned its back on the its longtime Iranian ally the shah of Iran and thought they would get a better deal with Khumeinists in power. Just as jihadist-loving America set up and funded the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, the Balkan jihadists, the Libyan jihadists, the MB in Egypt and now the Syrian jihadists they also facilitated the down fall of their long ally, the shah of Iran and supported Khumeini and his followers to take over Iran.Please read this unarchived BBC document below:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36431160
gravenimage says
Of course, this is claptrap. Carter was revealed as being willing to recognize the Mullahs–this is appalling, but can hardly be characterized as their having been “made in America”.
Instead, before Obama’s recent appeasement of Iran, it has been Putin who has been dealing with them, and enabling their nuclear program.
“Christianblood” has always condoned and excused this–going so far as to whitewash Iran’s persecution of Christians.
Anti-Jihadists here condemn *all* appeasement of Islam–whether by the West or by Russia or China.
Peggy says
So Mr Obama, what do you think the people should do? So far the people, have endured many attacks and killings in the name of your evil deity. Nobody has retaliated in kind. What else is needed from the long suffering people? A proclamation that Islam is the dominant doctrine and all shall submit to it?
Will that stop terrorist attacks?
Nobody has done anything in retaliation. Muslims are still free to murder and rape when they want without the community paying for it.
What else do you want?
Stan Lee says
Typical Obama appeasement talk….exactly what motivates Islam. Before long, we’ll be rid of him and his propagandized speech writers.
To hear him describe our country is to hear the height of hypocrisy from a man who has no respect for America.
somehistory says
“lose sight of the very principles we *claim* to defend.”
First of all, if moslims have their way, there will be no more principles.
If islam has its way, there will be no more anything, anywhere, except for death and dying in the name and cause of the wild beast from satan.
He always…always…always…throws out the *who we are* or *what we stand for* or, in this one, “the very principles*. Those phrases are a very large part of his propaganda…They are meant to appeal to the *good* in any who might hear or read what he says, when he has not a sliver of appreciation of that *good.*
He doesn’t speak for me, never has, never will. He has no clue about the *principles* I will defend. He doesn’t own those principles by which I endeavor to live.
Poorpoor Deplorableme says
Well said
richard says
Thank god that americans are waking up from their slumber. Freedom of association , freedom of religion deos not mean that. Any group. Of. People treating our general security shoul be left unchecked. Or monitored. It is geting too bad. For this dengerous organisations masqurading in the name of religion and killing people all over the world. Gov has to stop them now befor it is too late
Bezelel says
I believe part of the problem is the corruption of the very definition “Principles”. hussein obola and the mentality that follows him are always trying to claim the moral high ground, but if you think through the their preferred path, it will lead to self destruction. You’re quite right when you say,” He doesn’t own those principles by which I endeavor to live.” He doesn’t want us to live at all.I don’t claim any special insight to have arrived at that conclusion and I truly do not understand why it is not apparent to the so called intellectuals who support his insanity.
IQ al Rassooli says
Obama is as usual promoting Islamic Taqiyah pretending that Muslims in general are really peace loving loyal citizens
I dare Obama, his administration and anyone else regarding the following~
CAN MUSLIMS BE LOYAL AMERICANS?
This is very informative and everyone in the USA needs to read it from start to finish and send it on to others.
Theologically – NO. . . Because Muslims submit only to Allah – originally the supreme god of Pagan Arabia- and hence most definitely not the same as the God of Jesus, Moses or Abraham.
Religiously – NO. . . Because no other religion is accepted by their Allah except Islam (Submission to Allah).
Al Imran 3: 85 “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost”
Scripturally – NO. . . Because Muslims’ allegiance is to Allah’s Sharia based upon Muhammad’s Quran and Sunna.
Textually – NO … Because Muhammad’s Quran is Hatemongering, Warmongering, Misogynist, Racist, Duplicitous, Hypocritical, Intolerant & hence UNGODLY.
Geographically – NO. . . Because Muslims bow in reverence only to Mecca in Arabia, to which they turn in prayer five times a day.
Socially – NO. . . Because their devotion to Islam forbids them from making friends with Christians and Jews ~
Al Mai’da 5: 51 “O ye who believe! take not the Jews [Yahood] and the Christians [Nasara] for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them…”
Al Tauba 9: 29 “Fight [qatiloo] those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth [ISLAM] (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians & Jews] until they pay the Jizya [onerous penalty for not being a Muslim] with willing submission and feel themselves humiliated”
Loyally – NO … Because Muslims’ allegiance is primarily to ALL other Muslims all over the globe.
Ishaq:231 “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.”
Politically – No. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual Leaders), who teach equal opportunity HATRED for ALL those who are not followers of Muhammad (currently 80% of humanity calledUmmat al Kuffar/ Nation of Infidels) as well as calls for the destruction of America,The Great Satan.
Al Fath 48: 13 “And if any believe not in Allah and His Apostle We have prepared for those who reject Allah a Blazing Fire!
Domestically – No. . . Because male Muslims are instructed to marry up to four women and beat and scourge their wives when they disobey them
Al Nisaa 4:34 “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other and because they support them from their means. … As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct admonish them; refuse to share their beds; beat them …”
Legally – No. . . Because Muslims cannot accept the American Constitution as binding since it is not from Allah’s Sharia as well as they believe the Bible is corrupted.
Culturally- NO… Because they belong to a culture that prefers Death more than Life.
Ibrahim 14: 3 “Those who love the life of this world more than the Hereafter who hinder (men) from the Path of Allah and seek therein something crooked: they are astray by a long distance”
Constitutionally – No. . . Because Sharia is the nemesis of Democracy; it does not allow for freedoms of religion, expression or belief. Democracy and Islam is an oxymoron; a state of affairs that cannot possibly co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial, autocratic or theocratic.
Spiritually – No. . . Because the USA declares ‘one nation under God.’ The Christians’ God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99 excellent attributes.
This is why American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about all the world wide atrocities allegedly committed by a minority of so called ‘radical’ Muslims.
Not once has there been a major demonstration – whether in Europe or the USA – by the so called ‘silent majority’ Muslims expressing their revulsion at acts of terror committed by these alleged ‘radicals’ shouting out loud “NOT IN OUR NAME!”
Muhammad said: SILENCE means CONSENT!
Therefore, after much study and deliberation…. Perhaps Americans should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in their country.
Muslims obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you will, these are the FACTS based entirely in chapter and verse upon their scripture.
Americans had better believe it. The more who understand these realities, the better it will be for Americans and their future generations.
The current conflagration is NOT a clash of Civilizations but a clash of Beliefs.
After all, for 1400 years and counting Muslims have PUBLICLY and repeatedly declared their intention to either Subjugate or Exterminate all of none Muslim so that only Sharia rules the world humanity
FREEDOM NEVER COMES FREE.
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
rubiconcrest says
We don’t stigmatize Muslims by calling Jihad what it is. Muslim have already done that. We just tell the truth and have the back of all those who wish to live in the USA away from totalitarian Islam. It is so simple. Why is it so difficult for this president to wrap his head around.
robm says
that POS, is a retarded koranderthal.
Troybeam says
So Obama finally comes out and states we must support Islam, not gonna happen here like it did in Europe, the American people better bone up AND GROW a big pair and finally admit that Obama has been planning this the entire time he’s been office, His pro Islamic stance his entire 2 terms and now this speech aimed at our Military just before he leaves office, just his way of demeaning our military in the worst possible way as they’ve been dealing with Islamic war for years. Hey Military, screw you bringing in the enemy so you don’t have to fight overseas you can do it here at home.
Darryl Kerney says
in other words,
We shouldn’t condemn the guilty, that would be “unfair” to the innocent.
and it seems the liberal lefties would like it if no one was ever condemned for anything,
except of course for disagreeing with their “progressive” insanity.
chrisnj says
This is Obama’s “straw horse” argument. Because not all Muslims are fighting a violent jihad against the West and other non-Muslims, we should not fight the ones who are, or seek to topple their twisted ideology.
As Robert has pointed out, whether there are a majority of “peaceful” Muslims who neither engage in jihad or support it is irrelevant. What is relevant is that there are some number who ARE engaged in jihad or support it, and who cite Islamic ideology and doctrine as their motivation and justification.
We know that Christians and Jews would stand up en masse against any small splinter group who was hijacking a faith to support their ambitions of violence and conquest. Apart from a few isolated individuals, where is the mass uprising of opposition by supposedly peaceful Muslims against the supposed minority who have hijacked and twisted Islam?
Answer: There aren’t any, because the jihadists haven’t. There may be peaceful tolerant Muslims who simply wish to be left alone to pray and contemplate a spiritual path, but any honest reading of Islam quite clearly shows that it is not a peaceful ideology.
Until Muslims collectively can leave their ideologically-inspired violence in the 8th century as a historical relic of their past (as has Christianity, Judaism, and most of the world religions) then indeed Islamists and their ideology IS the enemy that must be recognized and fought.
Gray says
Not only that, but any these ‘peaceful Muslims’ can suddenly, in the twinkling of an eye, become ‘radicalised’ and go on a killing spree, leaving all the stupid kaffurs wailing, and asking ‘Why?’
avi15 says
Let’s be charitable. I think the reasoning of this nincompoop may be as follows: Islam is a wonderful religion, full of light, love and freedom. Therefore, anyone who wants to single out muslims i.e. followers of Islam as being dangerous or potentially dangerous to society is guilty of bigotry and ethnic/religious hatred. Therefore, this goes against the principles of freedom of religion and so on in the Constitution. Bla, bla, bla.
Only trouble is, if that is the case, he is living in dreamland. Islam is not the docile, non-supremacist, non-violent, non-oppressive, non-cult-like, non-political entity that he thinks it is.
Why would he fool himself like that? Beats me. Now paging Dr Freud…
Guest says
Does he ever stop saying stupid stuff?
john spielman says
the Obamanation who sits in the Oval office is LYING!, He knows that in islam there are only TWO OPTIONS: the house of islam ( submission to islam’s evil tenets), and the HOUSE OF WAR!
We who are unbelievers are automatically, by default, in the HOUSE OF WAR – to be fought against until we submit and become muslims, or accept dhimmi second class servitude in a muslim dominate society ruled by sharia law, or are KILLED!
Sam says
What a person does is more important than his world view or belief system. What Obama has done for the last eight years clearly classifies him a traitor of USA.
What he believes, understands or does not understand is irrelevant. People who elected him twice can be put in this category also even if they may have meant well for the USA. Right?
The worst part of the whole thing this Obama still does not get Islam or America. He just hates America.
gravenimage says
“If we act like this is a war between the United States and Islam, we’re not just going to lose more Americans to terrorist attacks, but we’ll also lose sight of the very principles we claim to defend.”
…………………………….
Let’s see: “If we act like this is a war between the United States and Fascism, we’re not just going to lose more Americans to terrorist attacks, but we’ll also lose sight of the very principles we claim to defend.”
No, that doesn’t make any sense, either.
Honestly acknowledging who is attacking you and why does not compromise your principles; it just gives you a better chance of defending them.
PRCS says
“war between the United States and Fascism”
As a nation, we don’t go to war against ideologies.
WWII was declared–by each side–against nations, not Nazism, Fascism, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc.
The Korean Conflict was not against Communism (the ideology), rather South Korea’s take over by North Korea, China, and Russia.
The Vietnam Conflict prevented–at least for a time–the aspirations of Communist nations.
The ISAF is not AT WAR with Islam (the ideology), Islam (the ummah), or the state in Afghansitan.
As we are NOT a Christian nation, we don’t wage religiously driven war.
Those individuals, those Muslims waging “war” against the entire “kuffar” world are–because THEIR “religion” commands them to.
Every “kuffar” nation–once they stop referring to idiocies like “radical Islam”–needs to make that unequivocally clear to their citizens—and that we are NOT obliged to comply with THEIR beliefs.
This is not the seventh century.
And, I know this is controversial, but criminal acts by individual jihadists, or groups on our soil are just that–criminal acts.
Think Richard Reid.
rubiconcrest says
I guess the only question would be how large a net do you cast around the criminal conspiracy? Do you hold nations responsible for harboring, funding or training the conspirators? The problem is much larger than the individual jihadi and his/her immediate enablers. As Philip Haney would say you can spray the leaf cutters but they’ll just return again and again until you go after the hive.
PRCS says
“Do you hold nations responsible for harboring, funding or training the conspirators?”
Yes, of course, when the evidence leads to a nation; a situation which can be prosecuted–either via legal sanction, or if necessary….militarily.
As with Afghanistan under the Taliban’s governance, Libya’s involvement in the Pan Am 103 shoot down, and now, Saudi Arabia as examples.
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote:
“war between the United States and Fascism”
As a nation, we don’t go to war against ideologies.
WWII was declared–by each side–against nations, not Nazism, Fascism, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc.
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Well, this is true, PRCS. We were at war against Germany, Italy, and Japan during WWII.
But the idea that we just picked these countries at random is *not* the case–these countries attacked their neighbors because they were acting on the aggression of the creed of Fascism.
Nazi Germany didn’t roll a brutal conquering army through Europe because they were German–but because they were Nazis.
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The Korean Conflict was not against Communism (the ideology), rather South Korea’s take over by North Korea, China, and Russia.
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Again, our war–or conflict–with North Korea was not because they were Korean. North Koreans, in fact, are not different from South Koreans–save in their ideology.
North Korea tried to take over the south because they wanted to impose Communism there. This is not incidental.
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The ISAF is not AT WAR with Islam (the ideology), Islam (the ummah), or the state in Afghansitan.
As we are NOT a Christian nation, we don’t wage religiously driven war.
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This is true–but again, we did not pick Afghanistan out of a hat. We are in Afghanistan because the Muslim Taliban regime gave Muslim Al-Qaida sanctuary from which to wage violet Jihad against us. This is on the basis of Islam.
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Those individuals, those Muslims waging “war” against the entire “kuffar” world are–because THEIR “religion” commands them to.
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Exactly so–we may not be at war with Islam, but Islam *is* at war with us–and with every non-Muslim.
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Every “kuffar” nation–once they stop referring to idiocies like “radical Islam”–needs to make that unequivocally clear to their citizens—and that we are NOT obliged to comply with THEIR beliefs.
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I believe that we should *resist* Islam, not comply with it.
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This is not the seventh century.
And, I know this is controversial, but criminal acts by individual jihadists, or groups on our soil are just that–criminal acts.
Think Richard Reid.
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With all respect, PRCS, if you think it is necessary for us to ignore the role in Islam if we are to avoid living in the 7th century, I believe you are mistaken.
If we continue to try to make sense of Jihad against us in terms of “crime”–with such generally simple motives as anger, envy, and the desire to own other people’s stuff–we will never really be able to defend ourselves against Islam.
Things like 9/11 and the Orlando massacre simply make no sense in terms of basic crime–for instance, the Ft. Hood Massacre was not a robbery gone wrong.
Richard Reid did not try to blow up that airplane because his shoes were uncomfortable–he was trying to murder Infidels, and he was trying to do so because he believed his foul creed demanded it.
I don’t think it is primitive or barbaric to recognize that pious Muslims are waging violent Jihad against us on the basis of the texts and tenets of their faith, and on the model of their “Prophet”–it is simply accurate.
PRCS says
Never said “at random”. And, we didn’t pick them. They picked us. We were an isolationist nation until after Dec 7. Germany’s military rolled through Europe because its government ordered them to. And not every member of those forces was a Nazi.
It wasn’t OUR conflict in Korea. It was the UN’s.
Of course WE didn’t just PICK Afghanistan. It was an ISAF operation. Islam, the ideology, was not the reason–as virtually EVERYONE there is a Muslim. And, its swell, new constitution is Islamically correct.
THEY are engaged in an ongoing 1400 year conflict against the rest of the world–per their idiotic religious beliefs–not WAR as defined by International Law, and we are not obliged to play along. We resist, and/or retaliate against aggression as appropriate. Being attacked by a nation (no, not the ummah)–without regard to ideology–would be an act of war.
Every act of “violent jihad” carried out on our soil which has not been directed by a nation state is a crime. The conviction of every perpetrator (Fort Hood, Reid, etc.) was convicted in accordance with OUR laws. Because we are a nation of laws. If al Shabaab–which represents no government–covertly relocated its entire force here and then waged violent, bloody jihad, the survivors would be tried as criminals.
The American public–as a minimum from amongst all “kuffar” nations–needs to be told the truth: propaganda to the contrary, Islam is NOT a religion of peace, rather a violently brutal, complete, theocratic way of life totally at odds with ours, that its their religious beliefs which drive this conflict and strife, and that the civilized world responds–to the extent necessary–to criminal actions by individuals and groups, and to acts of war by nations based upon their actions. Not their religious/ideological beliefs.
gravenimage says
PRCS, we will simply have to agree to disagree. I don’t think that acknowledging that Islam is behind such crimes somehow violates our laws or values at all, nor that opposing Jihad somehow plays in to Islamic demands.
PRCS says
PRCS, we will simply have to agree to disagree. I don’t think that acknowledging that Islam is behind such crimes somehow violates our laws or values at all, nor that opposing Jihad somehow plays in to Islamic demands.
I’m not sure whose posts you got that from, but it wasn’t me.
1. Of course we should acknowledge that. And tell the Muslim world to piss up a rope.
2. Opposing jihad–on our terms–has to be done.
3. We are not “at war” with Islam.
Mirren10 says
PRCS says:
”As a nation, we don’t go to war against ideologies.
WWII was declared–by each side–against nations, not Nazism, Fascism, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc”
You stated this, to my mind, specious opinion, on another thread, a while ago.
I thought it was nonsense then, and said so, and it’s still nonsense.
All you are doing, PRCS, is playing with words, as I told you that other time.
islam is at war with *us*, whether our ‘leaders’ choose to acknowledge it, or not. And it is time we *demanded* our ‘leaders’ acknowledge it, and start *fighting* it.
Your type of silly splitting hairs doesn’t get us any further.
PRCS says
No, actually, you threw a tantrum.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.
Great Britain did NOT go to war with Nazism during WWII.
You know that.
Our leaders need to start telling the truth about Islam and make it clear to citizens that this “war” you keep referring to is 7th century religious bunk. To the jihadists, they need to make it clear that we have no intention of reverting, accepting dhimitude, or warfare (as Islam’s written texts state) and that they and Muslim nations which direct or engage in such aggression will be dealt with in accordance with applicable law–including the use of military force if appropriate.
We are not at war with either Islam (the ideology) or Islam (the world’s billion + Muslims).
Because we’re not stupid.
PRCS says
And you might appreciate Robert Spencer’s response to the “war” question (from 37:20 forward).
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/video-robert-spencer-on-the-jihad-against-the-freedom-of-speech
Mirren10 says
I admire Robert Spencer tremendously. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with every single one of his positions.
Mirren10 says
”No, actually, you threw a tantrum.”
Do you always accuse everyone who disagrees with you of ‘throwing a tantrum’ ? Pfft.
PRCS says
I don’t.
Just those who do.
As you did–in that previous thread.
And all you’ve offered in this thread is argument and opinions.
No facts.
You haven’t disproved anything I’ve said.
“islam is at war with *us*, whether our ‘leaders’ choose to acknowledge it, or not. And it is time we *demanded* our ‘leaders’ acknowledge it, and start *fighting* it.”
Start fighting what, exactly?
linnte says
It’s time Western Governments start fighting back by speaking the truth about Islamic Supremacism, fighting back by denying entry of so called Islamic refugees into our countries, time they faught back against the false narrative of “islamophobia”, and time they faught back by telling people what the Qur’an and Hadith’s really say. Governments could fight back by deporting any dual citizen Muslims. Western Governments could tell Islamic countries to stop expecting special privileges simply because they have oil and announce to the Sauds, Iranians, and all major oil producing Islamic countries that Democracy REJECTS Shari’a! THATS HOW WE CAN FIGHT BACK. Obliterate the destructive narrative that Islam is a religion of peace.
PRCS says
linte,
I agree.
Those are common sense items.
Instead of saying that civilized nations, internationally recognized nations, nations which conduct their affairs in accordance with secular laws should go to war with disparate individuals and groups who–representing no legitimate nation–believe THEY are at war with “unbelievers” per their “religious” texts.
At this time, no Muslim nation has declared war upon us.
If, and when they do…..
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote, replying to Mirren:
No, actually, you threw a tantrum.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.
Great Britain did NOT go to war with Nazism during WWII.
You know that.
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Again, PRCS, it was *hardly* irrelevant that Germany was a Fascist state during WWII. Great Britain was not attacked because Germany was Germany, but because the leadership of Germany at the time attacked Great Britain out of adherence to this creed.
More:
Our leaders need to start telling the truth about Islam and make it clear to citizens that this “war” you keep referring to is 7th century religious bunk.
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The idea that Muslims waging war against us is “bunk” is questionable–violent Jihad is very much warfare.
Just because Islam is not a modern nation state does not mean that its adherents are not at war with us.
Believing that there are no forms of aggression besides formally declared wars by modern nation states or random crimes does not describe all forms of serious, sustained aggression–not guerrilla warfare, not old forms of warfare such as invading barbarian tribes, and not violent Jihad. Yet it would be a mistake to believe that these last three either do not exist, or that they should not be taken seriously.
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To the jihadists, they need to make it clear that we have no intention of reverting, accepting dhimitude, or warfare (as Islam’s written texts state) and that they and Muslim nations which direct or engage in such aggression will be dealt with in accordance with applicable law–including the use of military force if appropriate.
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PRCS, you appear to believe that if we oppose Jihad in an organized, sustained manner, that we are–somehow–playing into Jihadists’ hands–but this is not the case.
And it is not just Muslim nations that are a threat. Iran is a threat in the more or less traditional sense–but it is questionable if that can be applied to the Islamic State, and it definitely does not apply to al-Qaida, al-Shebaab, or Boko Haram, which do not control territory. But it would be difficult to say that they are not a threat to us.
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We are not at war with either Islam (the ideology) or Islam (the world’s billion + Muslims).
Because we’re not stupid.
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No, but they are at war with us–and saying that you are not so “stupid” as to consider yourself at war with Islam or Muslims will not save you if–God forbid–you were to run into a Jihad terror attack, no matter what its source.
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And you might appreciate Robert Spencer’s response to the “war” question (from 37:20 forward).
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/video-robert-spencer-on-the-jihad-against-the-freedom-of-speech
Actually, this is what Robert Spencer had to say on the matter:
As for the first question, “we are not at war with Islam”, that also is sort of a false statement. I mean, we are not at war with Islam, but large portions of Islam are at war with us”.
Your implication that Spencer is here somehow recoiling in horror at the idea that Islam is an enemy ideology does not appear to be borne out by what he actually said–just the opposite, in fact.
More:
“islam is at war with *us*, whether our ‘leaders’ choose to acknowledge it, or not. And it is time we *demanded* our ‘leaders’ acknowledge it, and start *fighting* it.”
Start fighting what, exactly?
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That would be fighting against Jihad.
PRCS, whether you like it or not–I know I don’t, but I acknowledge that this is happening–Islam is an organized, serious threat to us. Jihad is not just “crime”, nor is it only a threat if it comes from a formally recognized nation state.
And I have never know the erudite Mirren to “throw a tantrum”.
linnte says
Whether it’s civisionational Jihad, cultural Jihad, financial Jihad, bloody bombing Jihad or what ever “Jihad/war”, Islam is at war with us per the Quran, and therefore, by golly, I am at war with Islam. I AM AT WAR WITH ISLAM.
Your response to dfd is excellent. I just had to pipe in. It is pure and absolute foolishness to kick back and pretend all is peachy keen when an entity of any kind, be it a nation, and ant colony or an imaginary Islamic State proclaimes they are at war with us. And that proclamation may not be the literal words, “We are at war with the West”. What the heck does he think murdering 49 people in Orlando is? 3000 on 9/11 is? 130 in Paris is? It’s war.
linnte says
Sorry, clarification, it’s not dfd but PCRS who I meant to say this to.
Champ says
Graven wrote:
And I have never known the erudite Mirren to “throw a tantrum”.
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Nor have I …
This patronizing insult is preposterous!
Mirren10 says
Thanks, graven, Champ, and linnte.
Graven, your reply to PRCS was *spot on**.
One of the ways in which islam is, I think, more **diabolical** than Fascism et al, is its religious prong, which gives it a specious ‘out’ that is taken advantage of by our pusillanimous ‘leaders’, and of course, many people who refuse to believe a religion can be evil, rotten to the core, and bent on world conquest. Which of course, makes it more difficult to fight.
Until our ‘governments’, ( or at least one or two of them) accept that **islam is at war with us, and we **must** in turn, declare **war on it**, we are in a cleft stick.
Much as I hate to say it, I sometimes think in the end it *will* come down to civil wars, with isolated pockets of resistance, fighting Western ‘governments’ complicit with islam.
I really hope not.
linnte says
Mirren, I just had a YouTube comment or(Muslim) tell me Islam will own the West in 30 years. Personally, I think it WILL come down to civil fighting. It seems inevitable. Maybe somehow, in a Trump administration, Americans can learn what we are up against with true Islam.
Mirren10 says
If it does, linnte, and I’m still alive, (65 this year; how the hell did *that* happen ? 🙂 ) I’ll be out there with walking stick, zimmer, and anything else I can find. Better to die on your feet than your knees, right ?
Hope you’re well, linnte.
linnte says
Mirren, I’ll die with a rifle in my hands. And be proud too! I am well, and you? I’m 62, but holding a rifle is easy, even from a wheelchair if I’m that old if it happens. ?
PRCS says
You’re all going on and on.
The United States government is NOT at war with Islam.
And you haven’t made a factual case to the contrary.
Just opinions and false bravado.
Because you can’t.
Mirren10 says
”The United States is NOT at war with islam.”
Quite. That’s the problem.
PRCS says
As a nation of man-made, secular laws, we never will be.
Not a problem at all.
Rather, the appropriate way.
As a military retiree, I find these exhortations to war both disturbing and laughable.
PRCS says
As Islam is both an ideology (which has no ability act by itself) and a worldwide population of roughly a billion and a half Muslims, all you folks have to do is state where, against whom, with what means, and the expected outcome the United States and other governments must weight in order to declare **war on it**,
Pretty simple, and yet none of you has done so. Because you can’t.
If Islam’s texts and every Muslim on the planet could be “eliminated” (including every reference to it on the Internet) the ideology would remain. So, that is not going to happen.
As Communism, Nazism, Fascism, and other ugly beliefs persist, to this day, it should be obvious that military force is not the solution.
For those of you who have never known the erudite Mirren to throw a tantrum, and that my patronizing insult is preposterous, I give you a tidbit:
“And your point is ? Once again, your comments on this topic make no sense. Answer what I said about **ideologies**, and **Vietnam**.
Why did America fight a war in Vietnam ?
That is an absolutely text book leftard/Alynsky response. You can’t deny what I said, so you respond with that. Shameful.
America went into Vietnam because of the **ideology** of Communism. Piss off. You are contemptible.
America went into Vietnam because of the **ideology** of Communism. Piss off. You are contemptible.”
Muslims may believe THEY are at war with us–per THEIR religious beliefs.
WE handle crime (and acts of war by nation states) in accordance with man-made, secular laws.
Congress declares war, here. Not clerics.
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote:
As Islam is both an ideology (which has no ability act by itself) and a worldwide population of roughly a billion and a half Muslims, all you folks have to do is state where, against whom, with what means, and the expected outcome the United States and other governments must weight in order to declare **war on it**,
Pretty simple, and yet none of you has done so. Because you can’t.
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PRCS, I never said that we need a formal declaration of war from the United States or any other nation in order to oppose the threat of Jihad.
The fact is that the West *has* isolated the Muslim world and the threat of Islam before, and can do so again. Between a little after 1800 and about fifty years ago, the threat of Islam against the West was at a low ebb. The average person in the West, with rare exceptions, had no fear of Jihad at all. I know I did not, even just twenty years or so ago.
More:
If Islam’s texts and every Muslim on the planet could be “eliminated” (including every reference to it on the Internet) the ideology would remain. So, that is not going to happen.
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Why is it that when anyone talks about resisting the threat of Jihad, so many immediately jump to the idea that they are preaching genocide? I have never suggested such a thing, and neither has Robert Spencer. Defense against violence against us is *not* the same as calling for unprovoked violence against others.
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As Communism, Nazism, Fascism, and other ugly beliefs persist, to this day, it should be obvious that military force is not the solution.
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With all respect, PRCS, I disagree. If we had not responded militarily to attacks from Fascist nations seventy-five years ago, I do not believe that Nazism would have spontaneously have ceased to be a major threat.
The fact that we *fought back* against Hitler was, I believe, absolutely critical.
Fascism, save for the odd skinhead loser with a swastika tattooed on his forehead, is not a threat today at all. It definitely is not the threat that it was in 1940.
Sure–there is no certainty that followers cannot revive *any* ideology. It may well be that we will face some sick revival of Fascism at some point in the future. But right now–and for the foreseeable future–Fascism is thoroughly discredited, and has a following that is tiny, generally despised, and far from a civilizational threat.
Things are a bit more complicated with Communism–but only to a point. North Korea does a lot of saber-rattling, but is not directly attacking South Korea, and I believe that is because they know they would get militarily slapped down if they tried it. We were not able to secure a fully free Korea–but millions of South Koreans are free because we acted as we did in the 1950s, and that is no small thing.
Of course, south-east Asia is murkier, and the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtain had a largely peaceful fall–but I believe that our efforts during the Cold War had a great influence on these events.
Right now, Communism has not disappeared, and I do not want to make light of the misery of people living under its tyranny. But with the exception of North Korea, Communism has been at least somewhat ameliorated in most places–in China, and in south-east Asia. There are no more Gulags, and the Killing Fields are a thing of the past.
Even more salient, Communism is no longer an *expanding* threat–it is now mostly relegated to nations where it has long since been entrenched, and few Communist nations are a serious threat to their neighbors, as they once were. Communism is no longer a serious threat in Africa and South America.
This is true largely because of our efforts–including military ones.
As with Fascism, this may change at some point in the future–there could always be a revival. But right now, things look pretty secure, largely because of free Western nations.
More:
For those of you who have never known the erudite Mirren to throw a tantrum, and that my patronizing insult is preposterous, I give you a tidbit:
“And your point is ? Once again, your comments on this topic make no sense. Answer what I said about **ideologies**, and **Vietnam**.
Why did America fight a war in Vietnam ?
That is an absolutely text book leftard/Alynsky response. You can’t deny what I said, so you respond with that. Shameful.
America went into Vietnam because of the **ideology** of Communism. Piss off. You are contemptible.
America went into Vietnam because of the **ideology** of Communism. Piss off. You are contemptible.”
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I presume you are quoting Mirren here, PRCS. Yes, some of this is strong language–but these are, I believe, important and quite serious questions. With all respect, I would not characterize any of the above as a “tantrum”.
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Muslims may believe THEY are at war with us–per THEIR religious beliefs.
WE handle crime (and acts of war by nation states) in accordance with man-made, secular laws.
Congress declares war, here. Not clerics.
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Again, I do not believe that defending against Jihad is covered by either declarations of war against modern nation-states, nor by statutes against garden-variety crime like dealing meth or boosting big-screen TVs.
That does not mean that we have to start waging “holy war” ourselves–recognizing that pious Muslims are attacking us on this basis does not mean that defending against it makes us the same as them.
One does not have to be–or to become–a religious cleric to defend against Islam-inspired savagery.
PRCS says
OUR actions are predicated upon THEIR actions.
Not their 7th century religious bunk.
I’ve never said that understanding and acknowledging that violent jihad is driven by written, Orthodox Islam is unimportant.
Don’t know why you keep thinking that.
Cuba is a communist country. Should we wage war against them?
PRCS says
I do not believe that defending against Jihad is covered by either declarations of war against modern nation-states
Jihad is a religious edict.
PRCS says
I would not characterize any of the above as a “tantrum
I do. Because it was.
PRCS says
We are not at war with Islam (the ideology) or Islam (the worldwide ummah).
And never will be.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Linnte, Champ, and Mirren.
Mirren10 says
”For those of you who have never known the erudite Mirren to throw a tantrum, and that my patronizing insult is preposterous, I give you a tidbit:
“And your point is ? Once again, your comments on this topic make no sense. Answer what I said about **ideologies**, and **Vietnam**.
Why did America fight a war in Vietnam ?
That is an absolutely text book leftard/Alynsky response. You can’t deny what I said, so you respond with that. Shameful.
America went into Vietnam because of the **ideology** of Communism. Piss off. You are contemptible.”
PRCS, you are *selectively* quoting from an exchange between us, some time ago.
I can’t remember the thread it comes from, so why don’t you post a link, so everyone can see what it was *you* said which elicited my admittedly strong response ?
No, I don’t accept what I said was a ‘tantrum’. Strong, possibly rude, but not a tantrum.
PRCS says
I’ve quoted the appropriate bits.
You threw a tantrum.
Mirren10 says
Excellent reply, graven, to PRCS.
I was going to post a lengthy reply, but you’ve covered everything so comprehensively, I don’t need to.
Mirren10 says
”I’ve quoted the appropriate bits.”
I see. Appropriate to quote what *I* said, but not appropriate to quote what *you* said. Very Alynskyite.
PRCS says
You were in charge of your keyboard, not me.
I didn’t make you throw a childish, rude, profane tantrum.
You chose to.
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote:
Cuba is a communist country. Should we wage war against them?
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Just as the implication that if one opposes the savagery of Jihad that one must be seeking the genocide of Muslims is calumny, so is the implication that if one objects to the imprisonment of gay people, the censorship of the press, and barring their own people from fleeing, that one must be calling for unilateral invasion. I am not.
Neither do I support the current “normalization” of relations with Cuba, because this sort of tyranny should not be considered normal by civilized people.
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I do not believe that defending against Jihad is covered by either declarations of war against modern nation-states
Jihad is a religious edict.
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Yes, it is. But defending against it is not, whatever you might believe.
PRCS says
Cuba’s “ideology” is communism.
We aren’t waging war against them, because (their ideology aside) their actions don’t warrant it–at this time.
Which is the same reason we’re not waging war against Muslim nations.
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“Jihad is a religious edict.
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Yes, it is. But defending against it is not, whatever you might believe.”
Defending against jihad is the key phrase.
Not waging war against it.
gravenimage says
I might note that there is such a thing as defensive warfare.
Well, in any case, thank you for your replies, PRCS. Since this story has long since fallen into the Jihad Watch archives, I think probably I’ll leave our exchange here.
Norbert says
” We’re a country that was founded so that people could practice their faiths as they choose. ”
True, unless you’re a Catholic forced to support abortion, or a Christian who believes that homosexuality is inherently wrong. Then, suddenly we discover that some religions are more equal than others. My ancestors did not come to this country to accommodate Muslim beliefs. They had enough of that when Muslims occupied our homelands.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
The instant I saw this heading I thought, ‘Thank God in His infinite mercy for allowing us to rid ourselves of this demon.’
A very great deal of the damage done by muslims on American soil (I don’t call them ‘American muslims’) will be undone by a stroke of Pres. Trump’s pen, i.e., removing CAIR’s (and the MSA’s, etc.), tax-exempt status. These slimeballs do not wage lawfare on their own dime, believe me.
Keys says
Glad to get him out, Kathy, but I doubt we are rid of him – he’ll continue to damage the USA. He, and his allies, has set up Trump for lots of trouble.
abad says
I am actually counting the days down until the Muslim-in-Chief leaves office for good.
Hussein Obama is just digging himself deeper than ever before. He loves his precious Islam so much he can move to Syria come January 1, 2017.
james collins says
this site has been doing the countdown since the POS took office. http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office
Troybeam says
Obama was the Trojan Horse.
Zammana says
Of course, Obama, in his denials that ISIL is Islamic, that Islam had been “hijacked” by “extremists,” and that terrorists and jihadists aren’t really Muslim, he references the “Christian Crusades.” Seems another of his double-standards. How can he claim those Crusaders were Christian when they weren’t acting very Christ-like.
I think we should demand that all school textbooks be changed to reflect this new sensitivity. The Crusades were not committed by Christians, but by extremists who had “hijacked Christianity.” Any reference to Christian Crusades should be considered hate speech.
billybob says
“The United States of America is not a country that imposes religious tests as a price for freedom. We’re a country that was founded so that people could practice their faiths as they choose.”
How arrogant of him, a lame duck, outgoing president to assume he can define what America is for all time. While it may be currently that the USA is not a country that imposes religious tests as a price for freedom, that may well and hopefully change in the near future. And Islam could be (and should be) redefined as a political ideology masquerading as a religion.
Obama’s proselytizing and lies for Islam are disgusting. It’s the Big Lie that has caused so much cynicism about Western leadership and the MSM that people will elect a wild card like Trump just because they are so sick of this BS. Fortunately, Obama will soon march off into the sunset. I am so sick of him that I couldn’t even watch a video clip of him in an article on this same page.
Bill says
What an idiot. We are not treating it as a war against Islam, that is the problem. Islam, however, is treating it as a war on all infidels.
PRCS says
When you say “a war against Islam”, do you mean war–as that is typically understood?
And against which Islam?
Islam (the ideology–which has no ability to act), Islam (some or all of the 1.5 or so billion Muslims around the world)?
The real problem, IMO, is the “war against Islam” notion, for the reasons noted, and the failure of Western politicians and “journalists” to clearly and unambiguously tell their constituents and audiences, respectively, that the “war” is a one-sided affair against “unbelievers” that Islam has commanded Allah’s every able-bodied slave to wage for the last 1400 years.
But, this is not the seventh century, and no sovereign “kuffar” nation has an obligation to play along.
My two cents.
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote:
The real problem, IMO, is the “war against Islam” notion…
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Actually, I think Muslims oppressing and murdering Infidels is very much the real problem.
Eric Jones says
We must study Jihad theology to discover why they are fighting with us. ‘ Smite them where ever yoou find them’ refering to non-belivers is in the Koran. Many years ago when I read the Koran it hought it referred to the historic oppostion that Mohammad faced during his particular time in history. I had no idea that it is still required of muslims today.
If violent passages in the koran only refered to historical realities at a given time or referred to situational circumstances a muslim may find himself (justified self defense) then islam would not be a problem. But this is not the case. We are faced with the reality that it is not wise to let anyone into your country that beliives in Sharia.
Yes Obama. Just leave.
Eric
John Kennedy says
I find those comments very odd, like be quiet or else! They are more than a billion Muslims (may I remind you not here) don’t say or do anything, shut up and bend your knees also!
Let’s check the facts: number of Muslims in US\Canada before Hussein Obama? Now eight years later under Hussein regime how many Muslims in US\Canada? How many stages before a country takeover three: stage 1: stealth jihad, (Muslims shows some integration…) stage 2: defensive jihad (Muslims tries to overturn the laws of the land, infiltrate levels of government…) stage 3: offensive jihad (when Muslims reach a critical mass then they proceed to a takeover), same strategies since 1400 years. Facts: Supreme Leader of Turkey said there is no such thing as a moderate Muslims there are only Muslims, period! Facts Islam means submission. Facts: Islam leaves 3 choices: first: submit, second: pay the Jizya (extortion), third: kill you. The more you wait, the more Muslims the closer they are to a total takeover, the more we wait the more damage. How can we get out of this crab box? And don’t forget al-Taqiyya with Muslims: deception is the Islamic word for concealing one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and\or strategies in order to move forward Islam. Now which one of the Muslims are the patriot ones? Tell me I am listening!!!
PRCS says
Jihad theology is but a component of Islamic theology. Baked in the cake.
If violent passages in the koran—I’m not a theologian, but if no religion included supremacism, hatred of others, violence and warfare, etc., in its tests……..
Sharia (the straight path), as defined by Islamic law (Qur’an and Sunn’ah).
I don’t care which hand Muslims believe they are supposed to wipe their butts with, or with which foot they believe they’re supposed to enter the can with, or that “Allah” says the Sun sets in a murky pool, or any of its other nonsense.
But, I do care about what Islam teaches Muslims–and therefore what they believe–about the rest of us, and the almost uncontested push to impose Islamic law–particularly those aspects which conflict with/violate our constitution–upon the rest of us.
Bob
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Mong says
Hussains comments are logically flawed here. He’s making it sound as though Islamic terrorists are freedom fighters. If we violate our values of freedom, they’ll attack us more. In a nutshell, he’s saying this. On the one hand, he’s saying that accurately identifying the cause of the problem will exacerbate the problem and on the other hand he’s saying to do so and to act accordingly is a violation of our values of freedom. Therefore, the terrorists must oppose violations of Western freedoms too. I don’t think so. Plus, to sensor people who are willing to name this problem is a violation of the freedom of speech, so he clearly doesn’t care too much about preserving our freedoms. He also says that it’s for every one of us to preserve our freedoms but then condemns anyone who tries.
What is he actually suggesting here; that we just ignore this thing and hope it goes away? It’s not going to, and his actions in office are at odds with even trying to contain it, nevermind combat it. The man’s a liar and a dhimmi. Under his methods of handling things, things have gotten considerably worse. A new approach is long over due. If Islamic terror attacks do initially spike under Trump, it’ll just highlight the sleeper cells that were always going to attack at some point anyway. After all, they’re Islamic terrorists, not anti-Trump terrorists. The MSM won’t portray them this way of course but their day is done. They influence such few numbers of people now.
Anyway, Obama is either gravely mistaken or a liar; you choose.
Peter says
Too bad Obama can’t relocate to Disneyland, where he could live in his little fantasy world and find solace in his delusions without jeopardizing the rest of us.
Islam is a declaration of permanent war on non-Muslim humanity, whether non-Muslims realize that or not. Muslims will persist in engaging in predatory violence against non-Muslims to advance Islam, no matter what non-Muslims do, with the possible exception of overwhelming countervailing power. They’ve been doing it for almost 1,400 years, and have to suffer a permanent setback.
JawsV says
Yes, Muslims deserve greater scrutiny. That’s a no-brainer.
vladkoval says
offtopic
Why nobody believes me that Jiahd of Nape exists? (Sura 8:12 Hit the kaffirs in the napes – or in broader sense – hit them from the back)
gravenimage says
Damn thugs.
Westman says
Here is a translation of a YouTube comment on this video of a vicious attack on an unsuspecting woman:
“Coawler oz
This is unfortunate, but we have to accept and tolerate the fact that migrants are used to a different female image and it takes a bit to change this in their minds. If we offer them language courses and housing, they will integrate into our society for a long time. The women should leave the house only in male companions until then. Especially at night and on weekends.”
Barf bag, anyone?
Cecilia Ellis says
Westman, that video is disgustingly representative of what great contributions Muslims make to Western civilization! (sarc/off)
Thank you for the translation. Don’t know whether it’s true or not, but a later commenter on that video wrote that “Coawler oz” was being sarcastic. I hope so!
no_one says
I wonder if anyone notices that Islam ideology is close to fascist. Teens and young people are passionate about anything and may be passionate about this too. This is scary.
Champ says
“Nigel Farage speech in The United States about Brexit and Trump”
Fascinating speech! Yes, we must secure our borders; and he also has a message for TRUMP …
Warren Raymond says
Gibberish. Wrong on all counts. Barry Soetoro aka Hussein Obama speaks for Islam. He is always on their side, never on ours. Why? Because he is one of them. He was NEVER one of us.
He doesn’t believe a word about this shiite about “hope and not fear” and what “makes us stronger”.
Nothing Hussein Obama has ever done made the U.S. stronger. He sabotaged everything that makes the U.S. strong and made it weaker on all fronts.
Mong says
Demonstrably true.
Pam says
I find it amazing how he blames non Muslim Americans for the actions of Muslims. What he really means is he wants non Muslim Americans to submit to Islam. He doesn’t want us telling the truth about Islam. His key words are “We’re a country that was founded so that people could practice their faiths as they choose.” “or prove that they’re not an enemy from within.” So he doesn’t want anyone to question Muslims when they show signs that they are following what the Quran tells them to do and that is to make the world into a Islamic world. He never says anything about what is going on in Europe, or Canada, or in Islamic countries by the so called peaceful devout Muslims. He has never said anything about Asia Bibi from Pakistan and what Muslims have done to her, and how her husband and children have had to go into hiding, he hasn’t done a thing to help her, but she is a Christian. He has deported Christian asylum seekers, but let a Muslim come, no problem at all. He makes a big deal out of clock boy, but not a word out of him when a 10 year old white girl was raped by a Somali Muslim refugee in Minneapolis Minnesota. Who was damaged more the poor little Muslim that was detained for having something that looked like a bomb or a little girl who was brutally raped. I wonder how long it will take him to say that he converted to Islam once he is out of office. Him calling himself our commander in chief still makes me sick.
Robert says
It’s not about people . It’s about whether America is a Super Power OR Not. Once USA lost to IRAN in 1979 And Complete surrender to ISLAM …. that’s what Obama is saying. Obama is Islamic Agent Do you agree ???
Rob says
Just like laying off Nazism dissuaded Hitler.
Corey W. Smith says
News flash, genius: we’re not the ones who’ve framed it in those terms. They are.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
trump is really a madman.to require muslim citizens of the united states to carry id like what former racist apartheid regime did to blacks in south africa?it is amazing that some filthy christian idiots are supporting it.no wonder apartheid regime justified their racist policy on the authority of mithraist evil bible(the book of genocide and phornography)on the story of noah who cursed one of his sons for not covering his nakedness.the racists in south africa posited that the cursed son was the forefather of the blacks.the international community considered the policy as obnoxious.now mad trump is reviving the obnoxious policy on fellow muslim citizens of the united states.will americans allow him to do it?.mad dog trump even threatened to recolonise black africans to revive that savage transatlantic slave trade.i urge right thinking americans to smoke and kick this mad dog out,get him runing, track him down and confine him to mental assylum.
Champ says
The only “madman” around here is YOU!
Champ says
…oh and your perverted-prophet was a “madman” as well!
So mohammedan if you’re a follower of a “madman” what does that make you? Exactly!
JawsV says
Oh shut-up, Muslim. Go try and invent something.
no_one says
Quran is evil, not the Bible which you never read, but speak about. Trump is not implementing id cards for Muslims, but he should.
Pete says
Well, I support Trump and I wish that Trump will push islamist like you through a shredder
gravenimage says
Apologist for Muslim savagery ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
trump (sic) is really a madman.to (sic) require muslim (sic) citizens of the united states to carry id (sic) like what former racist apartheid regime did to blacks in south (sic) africa (sic)?
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Actually, Trump never said this. Is muhammed ignorant or just lying?
More:
it (sic) is amazing that some filthy christian (sic) idiots are supporting it.no (sic) wonder apartheid regime justified their racist policy on the authority of mithraist (sic) evil bible(the (sic) book of genocide and phornography)on (sic) the story of noah (sic) who cursed one of his sons for not covering his nakedness.the (sic) racists in south (sic) africa (sic) posited that the cursed son was the forefather of the blacks.
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Christianity, of course, has nothing to do with Mithraism, and the apartheid government of South Africa never cited any Biblical stories as justification for their racial policies.
More:
the (sic) international community considered the policy as obnoxious.now (sic) mad trump (sic) is reviving the obnoxious policy on fellow muslim (sic) citizens of the united (sic) states (sic).
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There is no apartheid against Muslims in the United States. There are, however, apartheid policies in Islamic nations against non-Muslims. Is muhammed projecting again?
More:
will (sic) americans (sic) allow him to do it?.mad (sic) dog trump (sic) even threatened to recolonise (sic) black africans (sic) to revive that savage transatlantic slave trade.
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What absolute rot–Donald Trump never said he was going to reinstitute the slave trade. The West *abolished* slavery–it is muhammed’s own coreligionists who are reviving slavery. There are no slaves in the West–would that this were true of Dar-al-Islam. More projection.
More:
i (sic) urge right thinking americans (sic) to smoke and kick this mad dog out,get (sic) him runing, (sic) track him down and confine him to mental assylum (sic).
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This barbaric Mohammedan appears to believe that civilized Americans gather ravening mobs to assault and violently oust politicians. It is clear that muhammed understands *nothing* about how democracy works. Is anyone here surprised?
Ver Auger says
“The Constitution is not a suicide pact.” – Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson. Obama’s statement that “the USA is not a place where some citizens have to withstand greater scrutiny or carry a special ID card” is absurd. Trump has never proposed any special treatment of any US citizens. He has proposed halting immigration from areas of the world which have sent us a sharply disproportionate percentage of terrorist murderers, and whose religion, as widely practiced and preached, approves of the massacre of innocent civilians here. Picking and choosing whom we allow to enter our country, is the absolute right of the native population. Such choosing was done in the past to reject the chronically ill, violent revolutionaries (e.g. Sacco and Vanzetti), paupers who prefer begging to work, the criminally insane, and so on. Doctrines which promote violence and murder must not be tolerated merely because they wrap themselves in the mantle of religion. When religion violates the safety and the very lives of those who do not choose to practice it, it loses all claim to constitutional protection, and becomes just another vicious death cult, like the Jim Jones poison Kool-ade cult, and the heart-snatching “religion” of the Aztecs. Society has the right and the duty to suppress such practices.
Michael says
Very well stated. Thank you.
Gordon Miller says
How many days left until we will be rid of this delusional cryto-Muslim so-called president?
mortimer says
Too bad everything Barry said was a lie. Saudi Arabia and Iran caused 9-11 and the facts are out now and undeniable.
Islam is at war with the United States.
mortimer says
So the strategy of Barry is to LIE TO THE AMERICANS and LIE TO AMERICA’S ALLIES and LIE TO MUSLIMS as well.
No Fear says
“If we act like this is war between US and Islam, we’re going to lose more Americans to terrorist attacks”
If we act like this is war between US and Islam and we lose more Americans to terrorist attacks then that proves that we are at war with Islam does it not?
What is the solution? Submit to Mohammed? Never!
vladkoval says
VERY SOON IN AMERICA AND EUROPE…
Tunisia, 2014
Quran 8:12 – [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every FINGERTIP.”
PRCS says
Thanks for the video.
Too few of our friends and neighbors know what Islam actually teaches–this kind of thing in particular.
gravenimage says
Appalling, vladkoval. Thanks for the link.
Dermot Ellard says
You have to understand Obama’s belief system, He is at core a Secular, Humanist Marxist. He claims to be Christian but he does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as his Saviour. His “Christianity” is a veneer for political advantage and he has successfully fooled most of the people all of the time. A unique achievement. He proclaims “You are a Muslim….fine, you are a Christian….thats fine also. Sure what’s the difference? That’s Obama’s belief. Why don’t we just amalgamate the two? Then we will have peace. He is the Neville Chamberlain of our time. He deludes himself that peace can be won through appeasement. Those of us who understand history and human nature know the truth. Jesus said in Luke 21:36
“Keep alert at all times. And pray that you might be strong enough to escape these coming horrors and stand before the Son of Man.”
Obama’s egoism is so monstrous that he believes he knows better than the Lord Jesus Christ.
duh swami says
Obama said, “We are fighting terrorists who claim to fight on behalf of Islam. but they do not speak for over a billion Muslims around the world.
But he does? Do a billion Muslims believe the Quran or Obama?
What do a billion Muslims really think about this ‘Christian’ telling them what their religion is and isn’t?
Agustinus Daniel says
Obama is just another USEFUL IDIOT.
We need to realize that ISLAM, not only radical-islam, is the enemy of humanity.
It has two face, in the outside it looks like a peaceful religion, BUT in the inside it is a totalitarian ideology which is ready to dominate and enslave the world.
duh swami says
The idea of declaring war on a religious ideology is absurd…
But is Islam really a religion, or a hostile, violent, hegemonic political system hiding behind religion? The answer to Islamic hegemony in the US is not bullets, it is legislation, or an executive order…
SAHANI says
A COMMON MAN CAN BE EASILY FOOLED BY A LEADER LIKE OBAMA WHO IS FOLLOWER OF ISLAM AS ISLAM TEACHES ITS FOLLOWERS ,LIE AND CHEAT INFIDEL. IS OBAMA FOLLOWING ISLAM
SAHANI says
YOU ARE SAFE ONLY IF KEEP MUSLIMS 1000 MILES AWAY FROM YOUR DOORS.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… We are fighting terrorists who claim to fight on behalf of Islam. but they do not speak for over a billion Muslims around the world…”
You’ve got to wonder about this guy (Outgoing President Obama) and his extreme rigidity in protecting the Islamic Tradition at every opportunity from sensible scrutiny and evaluation. With time we’ll be able to peel back the layers to see how much of his prejudiced outlook derives from the fact that his father was Muslim born and how much his instinctive political reflex was a parroting of the common New Left association of Traditional Islam with powerlessness and victimhood. Whatever the cause it has resulted in eight years of frustration and lost opportunity in coming to terms with and tackling a catastrophic wave of Millenarian, Jihad inspired terror. Barack Obama, the man who thought he’d made great ground in successfully having Bin laden liquidated, has left us with a multi-headed hydra, and through sheer strategic incompetence almost handed Syria in its entirety to the black flag of ISIS.
TH says
I understand that 35% of Muslims in Europe are in favor of jihad. Worldwide, it is probably more. That would be about half a billion of them. That is huge and extremely dangerous. In Germany and France the news is out regarding jihadis joining the army, not only the Foreign Legion.
Kasey says
Obama’s way is the coiward’s way. Unless the whole free World confronts Islam directly now as the source of all evil, and convinces it to expunge all anti-Infidel verses from The Koran and Hadith, the lethal violence will continue. Muslims’ ego-identification with those aspects of evil within Islam must be bought out into the open and eliminated from their indoctrination.
For instance, compare the campaign by some Muslims to outlaw “Peppa Pig” from kids’ tv programs because of what is said about pigs” in the Koran, with what it says, in so many places, about Muslims’ anti-Infidels attitudes and actions of discrimination, inferiority of, and lethal violence against all Infidels.. If these are directives from Allah (their mythical, unverifiable diety) how can they enact one without the other. If they don’t it’s extreme hypocricy on their part. Either way Western civilization is in for a torrid time to survive.
FYI says
I wonder what Obama would think of this teaching from the founder of islam?
“O Muslim!There is a Jew hiding behind me.Kill him”
Sahih al-Bukhari vol 4,book 52 number 177
That sounds like an anti-Semitic exhortation to violate God’s Sixth Commandment.
What part of the Law “Thou shalt not kill” does the moslem mind and Islamic apologists like Barack Hussein Obama NOT UNDERSTAND?
My Opinion says
“We’re a nation that was founded so that people could practice their faiths as they choose,”
You POS, their right to practice their faith based on the koran, hadith, and sira ends when it violates MY right to practice MY faith as commanded by my God or my Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness…are those words not familiar to you?
There are plenty of sharia compliant nations to which you can move to and enjoy the “religion of peace”, please do so and leave us alone.
Atheist Kaffur says
Idle Threat but a threat nonetheless
Carolyne says
The war which has no name.
We are at war with Islam. Whether or not we call it war is of no consequence.
Has Mr. Obama noticed that the emperor has no clothes?
Michael Johnson says
The president had better wake up we may not be at war with them but they are at war with us and they will kill many as possible to spread islam
American Pragmatism says
Obama: “our fantasies of getting along will protect americans from terrorism”
linnte says
The USA relationship with Islam is the same as a relationship between two people; one an abusive and the other the victim. If we followed Obama’s Modus operandi, the victim would never be able to leave that relationship and would eventually be either killed or totally subdued by her abuser. Sounds exactly like what the Muslim Brotherhood wants, eh?
It is unreal that he even puts this out there AND THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE HIM! The way to deal with an evil abuser is to call him out and reveal and expose him and fight back.
Obama plays the victim card for Islam. When in reality it is the non Muslim who are the victim in Jihad.
Florida Jim says
American muslims are either not Islamic or they are lying. Islam teaches hatred everywhere and preparation for a Caliphate and beheading. Stop your nonsense Obama I am sick of your babbling lies.You have done nothing but use America, blacks and illegals to cheat and win elections you are race-baiter in the mold of Farrakhan, Sharpton, Dyson, Johnson , Cummings, Emanuel, Gutierrez and Jarrett.
SoCalMike says
Obama and the Left are the ones getting Americans killed both abroad and at home.
Treason flows through their veins.
krishna darooka says
Aris -world knows you are converted muslim being afraid of Jehad by them You think Sonia is the cause of spread of Islam in India where the fact is Gandhi is the cause of spread of Islam and causing all jehad and trouble in India It is now followed by another coward Gujarati unshaven and wife deserter Modi lover of Sushma swaraj
ARIS–if you are not muslim then just say the following ndia shud derecognize Tibet as part of China and India shud acquire Nepauta and Maldives ommon civil laws ,muslims not allowed to have more e wife They be removed from Govt posts parly your friends traitors Akbarruddin Ansari, Sanirza and you will stop eating beef pl confim in writing so that u can be taken back in Hinduism Krishna darooka
John A. Marre says
So be nice to them and they will be nice to you. That doesn’t correspond to reality. Being nice to them doesn’t even get them to put novocaine on the hatchet they chop your head off.
TopDrifter says
Obama is a liar…
Ali Bey says
Islam is not a religion.It is a total sociopolitical system. It doesn,t make difference between the political power from the religious one. It,s model is Mohammed, a politocal-military condottiero. Mosques cannot be compared to churches. Coranic prescriptions are applied to all aspects of life You refer to foreigners for their nationality, but refer to Muslims before refering to their nationality. Despite the history of seven centuries of pushing the Moors in Spain back to Africa, despite the infamous train ravage of Atocha-Madrid, despite the number of jihadist Morocans detained in Spain, as Eur refers above, now the nationalist policy of Catalonia has been that of attracting the Morocan immigration at the point of setting up Catalan Consulates in Morocco to recruit and organize the arrival of immigrants with the aim and hope that once given to them the right of residence they may vote in favour of the independence of Catalonia. Suicidical policy for which Catalans will pay a bitter price in the future.
Eternal Vigilance says
The title should have read
Trump: “If we do fully acknowledge that this is war between the world and Islam, millions or more lives will be lost to that bestial force of evil!”
580 Islamic expansionist wars since the year 700 AD. How many lives have been lost all round the Mediteranean Sea over that period of time? How many enslaved? How many tortured, beheaded stoned, mutilated? How many women subjugated?
To quote Obama Islam is a “religion of peace?” If so, where are their charitable works? Where are their efforts to forge peace everywhere that Islamic terrorism rears its head? Where is its efforts to promote love, to promote the fellowship of common man, to free women from their chains, where is Islam’s tolerance for the faiths of other religions?
Christianity Proposes……Islam Imposes! A very immense difference!
Glen Spicer says
Obama demands we surrender our First Amendment when it comes to pointing out the evils of Islam. We are supposed to accept that there are “good patriotic Muslims” in America, a fact that within itself is a fallacy because a good Muslim cannot be an American. American values at in direct opposition to the teachings of Mohammed, Allah and the Hadith, the traditions of Islam upon many of Islam doctrines are based. The silver-tongued Obama still spews his propaganda with boldness because no one has challenged his lies and deception. We ARE at war with Islam, and any other doctrine that would see America fall. We ARE at war with Islam and any political system that seeks to replace our fundamental freedoms and liberties with oppression slavery, both in body and spirit. To his last lying word, Obama will promote Islam, the most vile and inhumane philosophy on the planet. And to the fools heard clapping approval in this news conference, shame on you for promoting ignorance and cultural suicide. You are as much of the problem as is the traitor Obama. One day the truth will be openly seen by everyone and the list of those who promoted the destruction of the United States will be almost endless. Don’t add your name to that list. Resist the acceptance of Islam as legitimate and valid and expose its enmity against the American way of life and indeed, against all humanity. Political Correctness may hide the evil but it cannot erase it.
Historian says
If they are good patriotic citizens, then they won’t support terrorism. But if they do decide to support terrorism, it is because they were never patriotic to begin with.
The only part of that moron’s speech I like is when he says “So let my FINAL words to you as your commander in chief……”
le mouron rouge says
Historian says
“The only part of that moron’s speech I like is when he says “So let my FINAL words to you as your commander in chief……”
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Good point.
Unfortunately, the O will not be satisfied to sit on the sidelines, this child in an adult’s body will continue to be an agitator and a relentless irritant.
This “whiner and complainer” will simply continue with his “community organizer” tactics and “global agenda.” He will, in all probability, be a very divisive force in the years ahead.
As a “globalist” he has the backing of the World’s “power elite” and they certainly will not tolerate any interference with their “global agenda.”
Geppetto says
“We are fighting terrorists who claim to fight on behalf of Islam. but they do not speak for over a billion Muslims around the world. And they do not speak for American Muslims, including many who wear the uniform of the United States of America’s military. If we stigmatize good patriotic Muslims, that just feeds the terrorist narrative. It fuels the same false grievances that they use to motivate people to kill.”
Let’s try to add some perspective to this elegant, lofty rhetoric by putting a WWII spin on it.
“We are fighting Nazis who claim to fight on behalf of Germans. but they do not speak for a very large number of Germans around the world. And they do not speak for German Americans, including many who wear the uniform of the United States of America’s military. If we stigmatize good patriotic Germans, that just feeds the Nazi narrative. It fuels the same false grievances that Nazis use to motivate people to kill.”
Sprichst du Englisch? Eigo o hanasemasu ka?
Apples to oranges, yes, but the basic principle holds true. This kind of intellectual, holier than thou, peace at any price, ruminating from a nations leadership during WWII might very well have ended with German or Japanese being the official language in America.
Obama is either completely ignorant of the philosophy of peace through strength or is convinced that his faculty lounge, intellectually derived view of peace at any price is the inherently superior one. To be sure, all of his drooling, adoring fans who’re equally ignorant and convinced that it’s American aggression that’s the root cause of all wars, are sagely nodding their heads in agreement.
All should heave a sigh of relief that this intellectual cancer my finally be in remission but no one should be thinking that the election of Donald Trump will affect a cure. If that is at all possible it’s doing to take at least a few generations.
Savvy Kafir says
Imagine Churchill making this sort of statement regarding the Nazi ideology in 1940.
TJ says
The Muslim koran contains logic in it which make those who try to uphold it phony executioners-which makes them guilty of murder. This is true for a variety of reasons. The koran involved Moses in a fable with the message to kill your child if they are not islamic enough. They exaggerated several times against the Jews. They use vague testimony by someone born 600 years later on the purported murder of Jesus as a reason to attack people who disagree with the vague testimony. Fables, exaggerations and vague testimony are tenets of phony executioners. The good news is these problems with the koran give the biblical strategy in Isaiah 52 the credibility it needs in order to be true. In Isaiah 52, the return of Jesus is associated with a forerunner who is forced to say to Zion, ‘Your God reigns’. This act is obviously a proclaimed victory of the bible over the koran. The koran’s use of fables, exaggerations and vague testimony as reason to kill dissenters definitely makes this strategy in Isaiah 52 both valid and necessary.
Eirikr Haraldsson says
I would say we’ve lost plenty of Americans, French, English, etc. by pretending it’s not a war with Islam. Time for a change in game plan.
Joseph says
Hmmmm…I’m a little confused. For years now princess barry and his Muslim brothers have been force feeding us the line that “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.” If it truly doesn’t, than how can plssing them off cause more terrorism???
Richard Loyal French says
Subtext: “America Must Surrender to Islam”
Darrryl says
That actually sounds like a threat.
firefox says
A Muslim will always defend Islam before all else.
A Muslim will always be loyal to Islam before all else.
A Muslim will always honor Sharia Law before all other laws.
A Muslim will always consider believers superior to unbelievers.
A Muslim will always honor Mohammed’s commands to conquer the world by fighting the infidel.
How can any Muslim ever be trusted to be loyal to unbelieving free world nations and free world laws?
Look at Obama – he is still loyal to Islam before America!!
PRCS says
Yo, Hesp.
1. We’re not going to deport American citizens merely because of their ideology. You still don’t have a coherent solution.
2. I’m truly, fucking truly honored by your four part rant.
3. Will there be a fifth part?
4. Merry Christmas, Bunky.