Yes, you remember when Jesus killed 130 people in Paris, and when he threatened to conquer the Vatican and behead the Pope himself, don’t you? Is the Pope actually saying that to be concerned about jihad terrorists and Sharia supremacists flooding into Europe with the migrant influx is tantamount to rejecting Jesus? Is he saying that opposing this influx out of concern for one’s family and society makes one un-Christian? No wonder the Church is offering no help against the Muslim migrant influx, but only making sure the gates are flung open as wide as possible. For the Pope, apparently, the only acceptable definition of Christian charity is society and civilizational suicide.
Remember, this Pope has said that “we can speak today of an Arab invasion” of Europe — and it is one he is actively abetting. But the problem with the newcomers is not that they are Arabs, but that they are adherents of a violent and supremacist ideology that has a will to conquer and subjugate non-Muslim Europeans. If they succeed, it will be in large part because of the ignorance, complacency, and willing help of Pope Francis and his minions.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Christmas reminds us Jesus was migrant, like today’s refugees, pope says,” Daily Caller, December 11, 2016:
VATICAN CITY — As Pope Francis officially opened this year’s Christmas Nativity scene in St. Peter’s Square, he said Jesus was a “migrant” who reminds us of the plight of today’s refugees. Francis told donors who contributed both the Nativity set and an 82-foot tree that the story of Jesus’ birth echoes the “tragic reality of migrants on boats making their way toward Italy” from the Middle East and Africa today.
“The sad experience of these brothers and sisters recalls that of baby Jesus, who at the time of his birth could not find a place to stay when he was born in Bethlehem,” the pope said Friday (Dec. 9) during a brief address in the Vatican’s Paul VI Hall. “He was then taken to Egypt to escape threats from Herod.”
This year’s Christmas tree is an evergreen from northern Italy. The Nativity scene was donated by the government of the Mediterranean island nation of Malta and that country’s Catholic bishops. It was produced by Maltese artist Manwel Grech and features 17 figures dressed in traditional Maltese costumes as well as a replica of a typical Maltese boat…
The pope has spoken out in support of refugees many times and said there were many stories of migration in the Bible. “Today the current economic crisis unfortunately fosters attitudes of closure instead of welcome,” he said during a weekly audience at the Vatican in October.
“In some parts of the world walls and barriers are being built. It appears that the silent work of men and women who, in different ways, do what they can to help and assist refugees and migrants is being drowned out by the noise made by those who give voice to an instinctive egoism,” he said.

old white guy says
I wonder where Jesus migrated from being as he never left the country as an adult. He did do one heck of a migration when He returned to heaven.
Hector Archytas says
According to Celsus (Contra Celsus of Origigen), Jesus spent his youth in Egypt where he learnt magic tricks.
Egyptian priest were the best magician.
SoliDeoGloria says
I’m always amazed by people like you Hector, who prefer to believe unfounded, convoluted and confused accounts allegedly “proving” Christianity (hence God, Jesus, the Bible, etc.) wrong.
People like you however are more than ready to listen to the likes of Celsus (have you read up about him?), whose pagan position and belief have been challenged by people like Origen (have you read about him too??) You may want to check the spelling of his name, while you’re at it.
Magic tricks indeed! Like the ones you and your kind try to practice (with abysmal failure) as you think you’re are clever enough to discredit the historical Jesus Christ.
C’mon, don’t insult the intelligence of JihadWatch’s readers.
As for Bergoglio’s latest utterance… where does one start!
To compare Jesus Christ God’s Son, the Saviour and Lord, to present-day migrants… words fail me!
Altruism, compassion, generosity, etc. are indeed part and parcel of the Gospel message; but wilful ignorance on the part of those who should know better, who should be displaying wisdom and discernment as they (supposedly) lead others, is most definitely no excuse.
Salome says
When, as a child, Jesus was taken into Egypt, He was taken from one bit of the Roman Empire into the bit next door–a bit like travelling from Texas to New Mexico or, at a stretch, Poland to Germany. The Holy Family did not get into a boat owned and operated by a criminal, sail north to Europe and then demand to be able to travel through numerous countries until they found the one with the best welfare. And they were from a particular minority group–families with a boy under 2–who were being targeted for persecution–boys under 2 being put to the sword. And when the danger passed, they went home.
Bevc says
Great comment, Salmome. I remember clearing during the 1980’s and 1990’s that Mary was described as “an unwed mother”, a pregnant teenager to make those participating in the Sexual Revolution feel better about themselves and their sins.
Later, the Holy Family was referred to as “the homeless” even though Joseph was a skilled craftsman and was answering a census by traveling to Bethlehem with his wife, Mary.
Some of my fellow Christians insist on rewriting Holy Scripture to make them feel better about life styles they choose to lead.
Kepha says
Salome and Bevc: Count me in.
I have always had a warm spot for the story of the Holy Family’s flight into Egypt. I can imagine the Lord spending his earliest childhood in Alexandria, probably the most important Jewish center in the Empire next to Jerusalem itself, learning Greek along with the Aramaic Mary and Joseph probably used at home, and then recapitulating the Israelite nation’s story in his own life by migrating from Egypt to ‘Eretz Yisroel (all while bearing the name of Joshua, the very man who brought Israel into the earthly promised land).
As for the Pope, he is trying to be “relevant” in terms of what the world thinks “relevance” is, while caring little for his flock as it comes under attack.
Adrian Johnson says
If you Google ” Thomas Aquinas migrants” you will find the Church’s established teaching on how to balance the demands of charity to strangers with the duty to safeguard community security and cultural integrity.
This Pope advocates foolish, wholesale welcoming of Muslims. Catholics are not obliged to obey the Pope when he departs from traditional and prudent Catholic teachings.
Google “Thomas Aquinas Islam” and you will see that Aquinas discourages dealing with Islam, a religion which teaches its adherents to be deceitful, manipulative and violent.
gravenimage says
All true, Salome.
john says
I think, if the nativity plays are correct, that Jesus’s family also had gold. gold from some visiting wise man from the east.
So, I feel confident in saying that His family did not rely on Egyptian welfare payments.
For all the talk about which of the many possible astrological signs (that we know about) provoked the Magi, we seem to forget that they knew the King they came to see would need Gold. Not forgetting the other gifts and the fact they worshiped Jesus.
Sometimes outsiders know more the truth than those who are supposed to,
We have no record of the Jewish priests or leaders worshiping Jesus close to his birth. The Pope and other followers of Jesus should take note that while they may complacently think they know what God is about, it may well be they do not.
Deoacveritati says
You and those who think like you are wrong. Christ was not a citizen of the Roman Empire.
He was a Jew immigrating with His parents seeking refuge in Egypt and YES they were IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES and you are a very selfish person and even though I don’t always agree with Francis he is right the Holy Family as we call them in the Catholic Church were immigrants and refugees.
You and everyone else should learn about charity but maybe it is too late.
I suggest that you read 2 Timothy, chapter 3 it describes people like you.
Also you need to remember this God created the earth for human beings not only for those who are white and with money people have a right to immigrate and find a better life somewhere else, many Europeans left Europe during WWI AND WWII and also many Cubans moved to the U.S. during the Cuban revolution.
The American government was ok with that because Europeans were white and the Cubans were their perfect excuse to support the Cuban embargo.
So stop being so ignorant and selfish whether you like it or not the U.S and its policies along with the Europeans have cause a mess in the Middle East causing all these people to immigrate. It is time for people of the West to take responsibility for the supporting their governments to go and do war on other nations with the excuse that they do it in favor of democracy when in reality they are playing a chess games with other powers to see who can outsmart the other one.
And one more thing if illegal immigrants are the problems then make the laws for people to enter the countries a little easier look just to apply to come the to the U.S. is about 10 years time many people don’t have when in reality we know that if anyone has money they can come in without much problems.
Look at Trump’s wife she probably don’t have her legal documents when she come in into the country (I am sure she has them now) but most likely she came undocumented or with only a working visa and of course she was smart enough to associate with rich men and one of them bought her and her papers for her. So she was stupid enough to sell her dignity and her body but hey now she will be the future first lady.
Remember this when Christ returns they will be no borders and no countries we will all be God’s people, those of us who are saved of course and charity will be one of those reasons why many will be saved that is why Catholics reject Luther and his only faith BS because the Bible is a Catholic book a book he distorted and the change passages in Holy Scripture that didn’t agree with the lies he was selling about Sola Fide.
Turtler says
“You and those who think like you are wrong. Christ was not a citizen of the Roman Empire.”
True, but he was one of Judea, which was a client of Rome and thus he had expectations to travel.
“He was a Jew immigrating with His parents seeking refuge in Egypt and YES they were IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES”
And yet there is no evidence that they fled, acted covertly, or otherwise jumped the border illegally.
” and you are a very selfish person and even though I don’t always agree with Francis he is right the Holy Family as we call them in the Catholic Church were immigrants and refugees.”
Refugees yes. Immigrants? Unless we’re claiming a brief sojourn in Egypt constitutes immigration (which it does not, as they were never naturalized) or internal immigration (like from Nazerath to Jerusalem) not so.
“You and everyone else should learn about charity but maybe it is too late.”
And how much charity work hast thou done?
“I suggest that you read 2 Timothy, chapter 3 it describes people like you.”
I suggest you read Saint Thomas of Aquinas, who helps underline the difference between charity and communal suicide.
You’re trying to equate not wanting to suffer rapes, murders, theft, and other atrocities with egotism. What you forget is that the Holy Family DID NOT ACT Like many “Syrian Refugees” have. If they had the Romans would not have hesitated to simply stab them, after all. But many- no, not all, but many- of these “Refugees” have.
Try reminding yourself about the bit where it talks about “By their fruits you will know them.”
“Also you need to remember this God created the earth for human beings not only for those who are white and with money”
Ah, now you’re playing the race card! Wonderful!
Well, I’m pretty freaking sure the West African diaspora is as unhappy to have a bunch of angry Jihadis among us as any one (and many whites have gone Jihadist).
” people have a right to immigrate ”
No, they don’t.
Immigration is not a right, though freedom of movement is. You do not have a right to be accepted wherever you go. You do not have a right to be let in. Especially if you pose a threat.
“and find a better life somewhere else, many Europeans left Europe during WWI AND WWII and also many Cubans moved to the U.S. during the Cuban revolution.”
And again, if they indulged in mass rape, murder, or the like they were punished. Had they done it nearly on the scale we have seen here immigration policy towards that demographic would probably have been altered. Because you CANNOT help anybody if you cannot live yourself. A A house broken apart will not shelter anyone, any more than a temple broken stone upon stone.
“The American government was ok with that because Europeans were white and the Cubans were their perfect excuse to support the Cuban embargo.”
No, the Cubans were political refugees, generally behaved themselves, and predated the embargo.
And frankly if you think the Irish had a good time you have not researched much.
“So stop being so ignorant and selfish”
You first, holier than thou.
” whether you like it or not the U.S and its policies along with the Europeans have cause a mess in the Middle East causing all these people to immigrate. It is time for people of the West to take responsibility for the supporting their governments to go and do war on other nations with the excuse that they do it in favor of democracy when in reality they are playing a chess games with other powers to see who can outsmart the other one.”
Ah wonderful. Blame “Whitey”_ or those who count as Whitey in your twisted mind.
Listen you holier than thou git: the fact of the matter is that if you actually bothered to study the Bible half as much, you would notice a little something about the Middle East in particular, and the world as a whole. In that most governments then and now were despotisms. Unfree, tyrannical, merciless. Even those that followed God and were thus tempered were authoritarian. This has been the case since literally time immortal (as you could tell if you graphed it).
The idea that the West somehow has responsibility for the House of Assad being murderous pricks that would rather murder their own people than take petitions once a month is repugnant. The idea that the West was the one that caused the wars here is nonsense (especially since more often than not the wars involved in by the West were a result of aggression based out of there). The Idea that the US has EVER supported Gaddafi, Assad, or the Iranians is so stupid it defies explanation.
And the idea that everybody immigrating is doing so for humanitarian reasons is naive.
That does not mean we should just write the entire region off and be idle as millions of our fellow humans suffer. But it does mean we should not flagellate ourselves for that which is not our fault. And the fact that the West has bothered to try and spread democracy is one of the most profound charitable endeavors of all time.Playing a chess game against hostile powers is just the minimum we require to keep alive and free, just like how the tribes of Israel struggled for years against the various peoples of Canaan and struggled with the turning tides of empire.
“And one more thing if illegal immigrants are the problems then make the laws for people to enter the countries a little easier look just to apply to come the to the U.S. is about 10 years time many people don’t have when in reality we know that if anyone has money they can come in without much problems.”
This is appeasement. The truth is it really isn’t that hard for people to do it. Blaming the West and acting as if it has to appease anybody else in the world who has issues with it is nonsense.
“Look at Trump’s wife she probably don’t have her legal documents when she come in into the country (I am sure she has them now)”
Patently false, as you would know if you did the bloody research on her. It isn’t that hard to get a passport and go from there.
But go on, project the sins of the lawbreakers onto those who call them out but who you don’t like. Petty is they name and foul is thy fruit.
” but most likely she came undocumented or with only a working visa and of course she was smart enough to associate with rich men and one of them bought her and her papers for her.”
Already refuted above .
“So she was stupid enough to sell her dignity and her body but hey now she will be the future first lady.”
“Remember this when Christ returns they will be no borders and no countries we will all be God’s people, ”
No, we won’t. Because not everybody will choose to accept Him, and for them there is judgement. Sad, but true.
“those of us who are saved of course and charity will be one of those reasons why many will be saved that is why Catholics reject Luther and his only faith BS because the Bible is a Catholic book”
The Bible is a Christian book above all. And the idea that Luther had absolutely nothing to him (for all his sins) is such nonsense the Catholic Church realized much of it and went into it.
” a book he distorted and the change passages in Holy Scripture that didn’t agree with the lies he was selling about Sola Fide.”
Which makes him rather like you. A salesman trying to sell wares.
In the end, charity can only come from the good of the heart. It cannot come from the lifeblood of the heart itself. It is one thing to sacrifice for the good of mankind, it is another to flagellate oneself on behalf of delusions of guilt and unrealistic responsibility. In the end if you were half as good a Christian as you preach you would recognize there is a quantifiable difference between a family seeking refuge from a murdering government and behaving in tolerance with their host nation’s laws and a group of invaders raping, pillaging, and stealing while trying to impose their own law.
Tell me, what did the Jews do in the face of Seleucid colonization?
quota raven says
To Turtler – You go, girl!….
er…or guy, as the case may be!
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
Deoacveritati wrote:
You and everyone else should learn about charity but maybe it is too late.
I suggest that you read 2 Timothy, chapter 3 it describes people like you.
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The idea that it is “charitable” to invite in violent supremacists to rape and murder ourselves and our neighbors is pretty questionable.
The idea that the message of 2 Timothy 3 is that those are “not lovers of the good” if they object to these barbaric child rapists flooding into our countries is actually quite perverse.
More:
So stop being so ignorant and selfish whether you like it or not the U.S and its policies along with the Europeans have cause a mess in the Middle East causing all these people to immigrate.
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You do realize that Jihadists like ISIS are *Islamic*, not American or European?
Another thing is that many of these “refugees” are not coming from war zones, but from places like North Africa, taking advantage of the charity of Westerners.
More:
And one more thing if illegal immigrants are the problems then make the laws for people to enter the countries a little easier…
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Would you simply have us legalize any crime as a solution?
That would certainly make things easier for invading Jihadists…
More:
most likely she came undocumented or with only a working visa and of course she was smart enough to associate with rich men and one of them bought her and her papers for her. So she was stupid enough to sell her dignity and her body but hey now she will be the future first lady.
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You seem to believe that we purchase people here in the free West. In fact, it is in the West where slavery was first abolished. it is Dar-al-Islam where slavery is practiced.
And calling a married lady a whore is *not* very Christian.
You may want to work on the meaning of your username a bit more…
beaubear says
i know, Jesus never went more than 100 miles from his birth place. but what does the pope know? he’s anti God in my opinon
Byzantium1683 says
Uhh…Jesus lived in Israel, and while he moved a lot to preach, I doubt he left Roman Territory, or even the province. So no, even that is wrong.
I know a lot of Christians think it’s a virtue to help refugees, and it is, but Suicide is certainly NOT a Christian virtue.
Don Foss says
Proud of you, Eddie. You´re a real thinker. But before you think too deeply on Christian doctrine of the life of Jesus, you should first study…both. Then you won´t have to sound like an ignorant turd. Just some friendly advice.
John A. Marre says
As the story goes, his parents were going to give their names for the census. They would go home afterwards. The census takers didn’t go to you in those days. They didn’t get food stamps, free room and board, and monthly topping off of their EBT cards.
Today’s “migrants” aren’t very eager to conform to the laws of the country they’re in.
Infidel Lass says
Jesus was not a Muslim migrant and that makes a huge difference. In Islam there is no ‘turn the other cheek’; there is, ‘if they do not turn the other cheek throw a tantrum, accuse people of Islamophobia, behave like a bully, demand you, your four wives and twenty-two brats be given free homing, pocket money and all bills taken care of, insist you import your child bride, ask towns to take down Nativity scenes in order to concentrate on funding the town’s fourth mosque, let your sons join ISIS and encourage your daughters to report fake hate crimes, gang rape teens, join a sharia patrol and persecute Jews. If all else fails, commit a terror attack.’
Tuvia Fogel says
One more little step, Jorge.
Admit that Jesus was a ‘Muslim’ migrant, and you’ll be in line with the Ko’ran
gravenimage says
Grimly true…
quota raven says
“In some parts of the world walls and barriers are being built. It appears that the silent work of men and women who, in different ways, do what they can to help and assist refugees and migrants is being drowned out by the noise made by those who give voice to an instinctive egoism,” he said.
“Noise”? “an instinctive egoism”? Is he referring to the SURVIVAL instinct?
This is very obnoxious, insulting to my intelligence. I don’t usually have strong reactions one way or the other to popes, but this one has rankled from the get-go.
Maybe he needs eye surgery for being myopic. Or brain surgery for being an opportunistic, arrogant, propagandistic social engineer posing as a religious boss.
Roman Catholics accord him infallibility in his role of speaking directly from God.. And he, of course, agrees.
Cheers!
quota raven
Cynthia in California says
Thankfully, the doctrine of infallibility applies *only* when Il Papa is speaking officially on matters of RC Church doctrine, i.e., ex cathedra (from his chair/throne).
Off-the-cuff junk like “Jesus was a migrant” is NOT doctrine.
Byzantium1683 says
True Cynthia, but if Francis is as silly as he seems, maybe he will change that….unlikely though.
Even a person I know who doesn’t care about Islam, realized that something’s not right with him. Lol, good to hear that the reason I don’t like him (liberal love of Islam) is true outside of us “conspiracy theorists”
quota raven says
Byzanti – Maybe he’s gaga.
Cheers!
quota raven
quota raven says
Cynthia – Oh, yes! Now I remember re infallability, exactly what you say is what I was taught, but it slipped my mind. Nonetheless, this papa makes me a little edgy, in his off the cuff pronouncements. So I just go “tsk, tsk!”
Cheers!
quota raven
Oliver says
Quota– brain surgery would be wasted on this imbecile.
HE DOESN’T HAVE A BRAIN.
or, like the SCARECROW–in ‘ THE WIZARD OF OZ’– he should sing, ” IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN”.
(or, least say it; and remember- one of two things:
before putting mouth in gear, engage brain
or, as Benjamin Franklin said
Better to remain silent, and let others think that you are a fool, then open your mouth and speak, and prove it.
Laura says
He (Frank) has such an open mind, as most liberals do, that it has fallen out and he cannot find it.
Angemon says
Do you know who else was a “migrant”? The Romans who killed him, using a Roman method of execution, authorized by Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor.
Seriously, why won’t this jackass resign?
miriamrove says
He is a jackass to say the least. I do not much about Jesus but I know enough that what Robert stated here is very true. Jesus did not kill anyone. M
gravenimage says
So true, miriam!
Peggy says
He was willing to be killed for us instead.
To compare that Murderous Mohammad and his followers to Jesus and Christians is a sin.
But then, this Pope is all about sin.
Oliver says
Miriamrove- why do you insult jackasses? By comparing this pope to them?
They serve ( admittedly, in limited ways and numbers in the present day US) useful purposes. the pope-my view-does not (at least for civilized people).
JoeThePimpernel says
Is the Pope Catholic?
Cynthia in California says
It’s not looking like it anymore, is it?
EYESOPEN says
Nope.
jamesmi says
Yes, the Pope is a Catholic – and that is the problem. Since the Second Vatican Council of 1962-5, the CC has decided to emphasise the good stuff in other religions, rather than using the traditional approach, of seeing them as objectionable and worthy of criticism for not measuring up to the standards it regards as valid.
The passages in this link: http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfm show what Popes have been saying about Islam for the last 50 years, and how friendly the tone is.
It also shows that the present Pope is not starting a new attitude towards Islam, but that this attitude was that of earlier Popes as well. It is dangerously one-sided and naive attitude – but he did not begin it; so it cannot be brushed aside as a personal oddity that would end with his death. He is only making his own what the Catholic Church has taught for over 50 years. What I wish he would do is point out that the CC has traditionally, and with very good reason, been severely critical of Islam. He and his recent predecessors do Catholics – and, given the influence of the CC, society at large – a serious disservice, by being so one-sidedly complimentary about Islam.
Ecumenical types do this all the time: they never (say) point out what a disgusting specimen of humanity Luther too often was; not them ! Instead, the Luther of Catholic ecumenists is titivated and whitewashed and his glaring faults ignored. With that way of thinking pervading official Catholicism, it is anything but surprising that Islam is hailed as praiseworthy.
Native jo says
He is a pod person.
jewdog says
I used to think that claiming that Jesus was the Messiah was preposterous, but then I’m not Christian. Now Christians can get exasperated by this latest distortion. Is Jesus some kind of Rorschach blot, or what? It reminds me of when certain moonbats used to claim that Yassir Arafat was like George Washington.
Kay says
Is Jesus some kind of Rorschach blot?
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To an extent, He is. He will reveal the secrets of many hearts.
There was the flight to Egypt after Joseph was warned in a dream to flee Herod’s wrath.
But quiet work is always done quietly, beneath the noise of politics and the destruction in this world. If it is drowned out, it depends on which ears we listen with.
If we align with Jesus, we align with life and freedom and peace– like JW readers who seek to protect their families and homelands, even the strangers who dance in nightclubs or go to Christmas parties or attend college.
Considering all “migrants” equal (regardless of their actions or beliefs or character) is no more logical than considering all persons of any other subgroup equal. If anyone claims this, then he should also proclaim how: created in God’s image, just like everyone else, loved by the Father who sent Jesus to redeem us.
I just wish the Pope would proclaim the Gospel and be silent in the political arena.
gravenimage says
jewdog, it is not so much that Christians are exasperated–it is that this pontiff is using the Jesus story to whitewash and distract from the savagery of invading Muslims. This is dangerous whether one is Christian or not.
R Russell says
Jesus went to Egypt but was never an economic migrant. His step-father was a carpenter so was able to work to keep the family. Jesus was also given gold, frankincense and myrrh as gifts which could be sold so there was plenty of money to keep him and his family.
He was brought up as a Jew and as such never carried out any of the atrocities today’s hijrah migrants are carrying out.
The Pope needs to spend some time doing 2 things.
1.reading the nativity accounts and to remember that the Good Samaritan helped the assaulted man in the district where he found him. The Samaritan NEVER even suggested bringing him to his own country.
2. Read the history of Islam and the tenets of its faith. It is NOT compatible with Christianity.
quota raven says
R Russell- good, salient points, all. People tend to forget these things; Jesus is better portrayed, they seem to think, as a poor man. Somehow, “political marketing” occurs to me. And this pope is full of it!
Cheers!
quota raven
Evelyn Warren says
Remind the Pope that The Good Samaritan did not take the assaulted man back to his home, let the assaulted man rape and murder his wife and children and then murder the Good Samaritan.
gravenimage says
Very good point, Evelyn.
Native jo says
Yeah, more like a tourist.
Champ says
Comparing Jesus, our Savior and LORD, to known terrorists is utterly *appalling*!
Damocles Junior says
Absolutely.
gravenimage says
Yes–it is appalling, Champ.
Lee Hicks says
This Pope is truly an apostate Catholic, and a promoter of his own version of Chrislam, pretending that Allah is the God of creation. The Word is clear regarding those who promote such a false gospel, and his eternal destination is in grave doubt at this point.
robert saunders says
The Pope is blinded by his political affections.
Westman says
Turkey’s Erdogan, the man who would be Caliph, is threatening to give the Pope what he wants – more Muslims – if Erdogan doesn’t get more cooperation and respect from NATO.
Since Trump is unlikely to kiss Erdogan’s feet, Italy should prepare to be overwhelmed with “migrants”. Open the Vatican doors and treasury, Pope Francis, and show us your genuine largesse. We await the tent city within the Vatican.
gravenimage says
Turkey has been flooding Europe with Muslims whether Europe allows Turkey into the EU or not–in fact, it will be worse if they do so.
Voytek Gagalka says
Sincerely, I cannot understand why the Roman Catholics accept that pope as their own and whatever he says – they take seriously without much dissent. I cannot understand why they, many of them, still consider themselves as catholics.
EYESOPEN says
Many of us do not see this pope as Catholic; and what is more, due to the USCCB and others rolling in taxpayer dollars to re-settle muzlim (sic – on purpose) so-called “refugees” into unsuspecting American cities and towns, I will no longer set foot in a Catholic Church until this stops!
jamesmi says
I can’t answer for any other Catholics who might be posting here, but I don’t look at the Popes or other clergy, because they cannot hold the Church together; I look to Christ, Who both can, and does. It is He, not us Catholics, Who is the reason that the Church of the year 40 is the same in identity as the Church of 2016. The Church stays undestroyed because of Christ, not because of us within her; that is how the Church has been her entire life.
This Pope is a baptised Catholic, he is in practice recognised as legitimate Pope by the overwhelming majority of Catholics, no-one has been elected in his place, he has not been judged by competent authorities in the Church not to be Pope – so he is still the legitimate Pope. And he is a far better Pope than some. One does not stop being Pope just because one is naive, or worse. Unless and until he explicitly denies Catholic dogma, he, alone, is the legitimate Pope. This kerfuffle about the Pope’s attitude to Islam has not come about because he is a monster of vice; it has come about in large part because he takes the Teaching of Christ seriously, and tries to live by it and teach it.
don vito says
Mores the pity that this pope does not take the teaching of islam seriously. If he did he would know that moslem migrants are fulfilling a religious duty, their religious duty to be migrants, and seed Europe with little monster moslems for the cause of alla. O yeah, I think this pope believes
he and moslems worship the same god. Perhaps, this is the reason he speaks as he does.
Anke L. says
Actually their was no Census in those days….
Cynthia in California says
Read Luke 2. Can you imagine the Romans, of all governments, NOT wanting to know how many people they were ruling in hostile provinces like Judaea? Joseph and his betrothed, Mary, were on their way to Bethlehem to be counted when her labor began.
This census was during the rule of Emperor Augustus, when Quirinius was governor of Judaea. As Octavian, the future Augustus had no open enemies after the Battles of Actium and Alexandria (both in 31 BCE), when forces loyal to Antony and Cleopatra were defeated. Octavian/Augustus became the first Emperor in 27 BCE and ruled until 14 CE/AD, when he died at the age of 75 years.
Anke L. says
Sorry I meant “there” was no census.
SoliDeoGloria says
“Their” or “there”, you’re still wrong Anke – unless you can disprove beyond any reasonable doubt, with other reliable historical documents of the times, that the Gospel account re.: the census is unfounded and wrong.
Luke, the one who records the events in question, goes to great lengths to do accurate and reliable research before putting quill to scroll. He was a medical doctor, hence accustomed to scientific inquiry and questioning evidence.
You, on the other hand, what do you bring to the table for discussion?
gravenimage says
Some historians have questioned the historicity of a Roman census described in this manner. But this is not the main point here–it is that the pope is using a well-known and well-loved story about Jesus to urge good people to let in more Muslims to rape and murder them. This is a problem no matter the case with the Biblical census/.
August_West says
The Pope loves Islam no doubt about it. He is a senile fool with no understanding of history, Islam or his own role in society.
I would bet that the Nativity Scene that the Pope blessed (or whatever he did) will be vandalized by a Muslim mob before Christmas. I wonder what the old fool will say then?
When you put your money into the collection basket, just remember that money is going to support this kind of garbage.
Vote with your $ and give it to other (deserving) charities. You can always put an envelope into the collection basket that only has a letter in it explaining how out of touch with reality the Pope is.
Evelyn Warren says
If you see a child without a coat buy one for him. If you see someone who is hungry feed him. But do not give one cent to the Catholic Church as long as it is following a man who definitely should not be known as the Pope.
August West says
If you give money to the Catholic Church under the current Pope, then some portion of your money goes to fund the global Jihad.
EYESOPEN says
True. Even if that global jihad is only in the form of “al hijra”: immigration jihad.
don vito says
Remember the post 2 days ago at JW of Holy Trinity church in Kristianstad Sweden, where the kind hearted Christian decided to help the pooooor migrant by inviting the migrants into the church? Next thing the kind hearted Christians know, moslems started chanting during church service, smashing liquor bottles in the pews, also in the pews the moslem migrants urinated, defecated, and masturbated, then the kind hearted Christians grew afraid to go to their church. The kind hearted Christians had to petition the government so they could get police to guard their building. So greatful are these moslems
gravenimage says
Exactly, Don.
Charles says
Dear Holy Father;
To compare these TERRORISTS to Jesus is absolute insanity! You are totally unfit for the office you hold. Do the Church a favor and leave graciously.
Before your love for muslims gets more people killed.
Cynthia in California says
Would that it were possible to restore Benedict XVI to the Throne of Saint Peter.
Anke L. says
The pope is not needed, he is just the head of an organization, who constitutes
power over a large group of people, who do not trust their own reasonable minds.
Scientific truth and reason in combination with Ethics should guide us.
The Dali Lama is more suited for that….
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gravenimage says
Anke L. wrote:
The Dali Lama is more suited for that….
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Anke, I’m afraid your idea that the Dalai Lama does not engage in dhimmitude is sadly mistaken:
“Dalai Lama: Unfair to associate terrorism with Islam”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/dalai-lama-unfair-to-associate-terrorism-with-islam
Lucia Bartoli says
I am a devout, practicing orthodox Catholic! Most is knowthat Francis is 100% wrong. Even a number of cardinals, bishops, priests and theologians are demanding clarity and warned that he is making heretical statements. Those of us who follow the doctrine have ceased all donations to parishes and donate instead to certain religious orders of priests and nuns. Btw the pope is NOT infallible in our religion ref in these issues. I wish him to travel to those Islamist countries to see what happens. — no entourage – simple clerical garb and a local car.
jayell says
‘Heretical’ sounds too grand. Just plain stupid.
Misthiocracy says
Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem because Roman law demanded that men return to the city of their birth for the Roman Census.
They didn’t travel to Bethlehem there by choice.
Evelyn Warren says
Let us remind the Pope that Jesus told the crowds, ” I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.:” Jesus’ Father is God, not Allah—Jesus is the son of God. not Muhammad. God tells us not to have any other Gods before him. I think someone should send the Pope a Bible. Evidently he is reading the Koran. Jesus went out to teach God’s love, mercy, and the plan of Salvation. Jesus gave directions to Heaven, he did not thump people over the heads with the message, he did not cut peoples heads off to spread the message. God gives us free will. Radical Islamic Extremists dictate no choice of religion through Sharia Law. Jesus did not plant bombs in the crowds that he led or visited. He told one woman’s accusers that he who was without sin to cast the first stone. Radical Islamic Extremists kill their own children whom they deem without honor. It is only by murdering their own that they can restore their family honor. The Pope can try to be politically correct but he is radically wrong.
Sam says
I should not feel that way but I want one of this POPE’s Muslim friends to spit on his face when they invade the Vatican as dictated by their Allah
somehistory says
This guy, pretending to know something about the Bible and the principles and commands that the True God and His Son have given us by which to live…just keeps getting further and further into the business of insulting Christians.
He is speaking for satan the devil…not the One True God and His Son.
This thread contains many fine and true comments and he would do well to get down off his self-righteous soapbox of political correctness and lies, and log on to this site on his personal computer and read. He would need to open his eyes, the ones blinded by satan, and open his heart…if he truly has one…and think about what he has been saying in light of what others who understand the Bible and Christianity and the history of Jesus Christ so much better than he.
He disgusts me…much as moslims and the devil himself disgust me with the lies, constant and more outrageous as the days of this system wind down.
The pit awaits all liars…be they *important* men and women or lowly. He thinks he’s important, but he must stop lying about Christ and the True God and repent if he expects mercy and to avoid the pit.
Berengaria says
The Fake Pope, Francis is ill.
He needs to be taken to a good sanitarium, where he can receive proper treatment.
He has insulted the intelligence of Christians everywhere, & has spit in the face of all rational reasoning. This Man,,masquerading as Vicar of Christ, must step down!
Wellington says
The current occupant of the throne of St. Peter is a fool. The vast majority of such occupants have not been. Thus damn bad timing that he’s now Pontifex Maximus, very much so, considering the exceedingly silly age we live in.
The previous occupant of said throne was a wise, courageous and informed man. Can’t say this about the present occupant of said throne. No way.
Actually, he’s a menace. And not only to the Roman Catholic Church but, more expansively, to all of Western Civilization. Yes, he’s this awful. I don’t actually despise him, though I eventually may, but I certainly have no respect for him. None. No one who cherishes Western Civilization, and especially the liberty it pioneered as no other civilization ever has, should have any respect for this limited, destructive and woeful man.
Kepha says
Maybe it’s time we conservative Protestants stepped up our criticism of the vapid “ecumenicism” which is nothing but studied indifference to biblical truth.
Rufolino says
Many within the Catholic Church agree with you Wellington. Bergoglio appears to be influenced by Marxist theories of social engineering.
He has made it abundantly clear that the culture and traditions of Europe are of little interest to him. Which shouldn’t necessarily surprise us, the Pope is not a European.
Bergoglio’s creation of new cardinals from the left-leaning Third World suggests that he is hoping the future direction of the Church, after he is gone, will continue on the path he has set -when the cardinals elect his successor.
Bergoglio’s influence on the Italian State’s policy towards migrants is proving disastrous: naval services feel obliged to assist the migrants continually arriving by boat across the Med, when social services have repeatedly exclaimed that there are no more places for them and that they are failing to cope with the influx.
Peggy says
The previous occupant of said throne was a wise, courageous and informed man. Can’t say this about the present occupant of said throne. No way.
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And that’s probably why he’s not there any more.
How convenient that everything is in alignment right now. All western governments are in agreement on Muslim issue and to get them all to agree is a miracle in itself. Now the Pope is the exact person needed for the NWO to make their final move.
I don’t believe this just happened by accident.
Maybe I am a conspiracy theorist by the design is too perfect not to be planned.
Eric Jones says
Yes the Bible says to welcome strangers. But these strangers in the Bible were people who were traveling through, not people coming to kill and conquer. The Bible also says to have a watchman on the wall. You would think that the pope would know enough to not take Bible passages out of context.
Eric
Kepha says
Absolutely.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Eric.
Quaker Lady says
Actually Jesus was an Israeli. From the “West Bank.” A Jewish “settler”. What an unsavory thought for the anti-Semites of the Vatican.
Tjhawk says
Mohammed was refugee too. How’d that work out for the Jews of Medina? For that matter, how’d mo’s Hejira work out for any kafir in the Arabian Peninsula ?
shoehorn says
Muslim reffos don’t die to save your soul. Some don’t even go back where they came from when the situation improves.
David, Thailand says
Actually, Christmas should remind the Pope that although Jesus’ family were migrants, when the hotel was full the management didn’t indulge in ‘positive discrimination’ by turfing out a bunch of locals to accommodate them.
somehistory says
And Joseph did not turn up his nose at the manger he was offered. If he had been offered fresh water and something to eat, he wouldn’t have poured it on the ground or hurled it with cursing at the one providing.
The pope is a manipulator and propagandist as well as a fool and liar.
gravenimage says
Pope: Christmas reminds us that Jesus was a migrant
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Jesus was not an murderous invading barbarian.
gravenimage says
a murderous
Peggy says
By comparing Jesus to Mohammed this Pope has no where to go but down. His place is waiting for him with his Lord and master Satan.
Peggy says
oops, it’s nowhere. My fingers just do what they want sometimes.
Champ says
I *completely* agree, Peggy!
Peggy says
Someone should remind the Pope that he is Catholic.
The other day someone said that phrase “Is the Pope Catholic” and I answered him with “hard to tell these days”.
Realtoltek says
Pope is puppet of Antichrist.
Carmel says
The black man pope’s refugee has so much fat thighs that he should be cooked like in my bedtimes witch stories of my youth .
particolor says
All that did for me was… Give me another Meaning for…FOOT AND MOUTH DISEASE !!
Thomaspj Poovathinkal says
Maligning and misrepresenting the Pope through and through and brain-washing the ignorant, uneducated and uninterested in THE TRUTH. This is only adding the growth of EVIL in the World.
gravenimage says
Thomaspj, the idea that it is impermissible to criticize the pontiff if he is enabling the incursion of those who rape and murder us is mistaken, as is the idea that opposing such invasion is “adding the growth of EVIL in the World”.
FYI says
As someone who grew up in the Catholic church(or rather it was imposed upon me…) I regard
Mr Bergolio,that Marxist master of jesuitical sophistry, as worse than judas Iscariot,a betrayer of Christianity,a liar,a heretic and a false prophet.*
He betrays all Christians and Catholics.
For example,phoney francis says that Christians and moslems worship the same God,This is completely false.
Just so people know the Truth.
islam utterly rejects Jesus Christ and ridicules the Trinity.
surah 4:157 Denial of Christ’s sacrifice by saying it never happened
surah 3:55 Denial of the Resurrection
so OBVIOUSLY the islamic “allah” and his anti-Christian,anti-semitic ,polygamous,mass-murdering “prophet” mahomet are not equivalent to the Christian(indeed the Judeo-Christian)understanding of God.
“allah” is a caricature of God:I mean “allah”couldn’t even be bothered to follow God’s Commandments,
appears only to speak in Arabic and has only one prophet(as opposed to God who speaks all
languages and has many,mostly Jewish Prophets).How ludicrous and pathetic is this “allah”.
Mr Bergolio,despite the benefits of decades of jesuitical education apparently cannot see that
the warped koranic “allah” is NOT the same as the Biblical God and mahomet’s life and teachings are the complete opposite of Jesus Christ.
Francis famously said “who am I to Judge?”The old hypocrite!Now whatever you might think about Donald Trump,no one except God, not even pope francis has the right to say that Mr Trump is not a Christian.And what does francis do?Did he forget his famous “who am I judge?” speech.
As far as I am concerned this Marxist phoney pope doesn’t follow either Christianity or Catholicism.
*{sarc on/}apart from that I’m sure he’s an old dear,what with his constant bragging about his great
love for the poor,even ringing them up…from the comforts of his palatial mansion…encouraging
the flooding of Europe with members of a religion that are anti-Christian and anti-freedom….
ibrahim itace muhammed says
so, mr spencer and other wicked slaves of the jews are not happy with pope’s humanitarian feeling towards immigrant refugees?some of you are even saying the boats carrying immigrant refugees to the west be sunk in deep sea to be eatened by sharks in the same way black african slaves found to be sick or old were being thrown into deep sea during that savage transatlantic slave trade by christian west. i hope you will not tople pope francis for daring to show mercy to immigrant refugees.i can see this is how you rain curses on any christian leader who tries to behave as reasonable human being as you have been insulting obama and praising wicked mad trump.
don vito says
raging Trumpophobe
citycat says
Show mercy? You have a point should islam ever show mercy and never kill or convert
Carolyne says
Ibrahim, I doubt that sharks would eat Muslims. Professional courtesy, you know.
quota raven says
to Carolyne, who responds to one of our better-known muzzie trolls:
“Ibrahim, I doubt that sharks would eat Muslims. Professional courtesy, you know.”
Nicely observed, my dear!
Cheers!
quota raven
Peggy says
I hope they wouldn’t. I would have to give up flake if they did.
gravenimage says
Appalling apologist for Islamic savagery ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
so (sic), mr (sic) spencer (sic) and other wicked slaves of the jews (sic) are not happy with pope’s (sic) humanitarian feeling towards immigrant refugees?
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The idea that one must be “wicked slaves of the jews” to oppose Muslims flooding into the civilized West to rape and murder us is simply grotesque.
More:
some (sic) of you are even saying the boats carrying immigrant refugees to the west be sunk in deep sea to be eatened (sic) by sharks in the same way black african (sic) slaves found to be sick or old were being thrown into deep sea during that savage transatlantic slave trade by christian (sic) west.
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What claptrap. Jihad Watch says no such thing.
And it was the Christian West that *ended* the slave trade–something that Islam never did. Slavery still exists in Islam today, and is *undergoing a revival*. In fact, muhammed here has praised slavery, and praised the characterization of Black people as “raisin heads”.
More:
i (sic) hope you will not tople (sic) pope (sic) francis (sic) for daring to show mercy to immigrant refugees.
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What rot. Being critical of a leader’s statements has nothing to do with plans to “tople” him.
It is the Muslim world where the transfer of power often comes with violent coups–not the civilized West.
More:
i (sic) can see this is how you rain curses on any christian (sic) leader who tries to behave as reasonable human being as you have been insulting obama (sic) and praising wicked mad trump (sic).
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We’ve seen this claim before–that a Christian is not being sufficiently Christian unless he is offering his neck–and his children’s necks–to the Muslim sword. Of course Muslims would claim this, because if Christians believed this it would make the conquest of the West *much* easier for invading Muslims.
And here in the free West we have the right to question and criticize our leaders–something Mohammedans have no understanding of. But this should not surprise…
citycat says
Jesus was a migrant. Hitler was a human. Since when has christian entertainment offended atheists?
Mong says
This guy’s a shithead, I wouldn’t let it worry you. I feel like he’ll be gone soon. The wind is changing and he’s on the wrong train.
Mong says
I’m going to throw up out of my arse. Can’t believe this god forsaken shit. Hope this pope gets murdered my immigrants, that’ll send out the right message, unlike his dribbling spastic gob. Xoxoxo.
Heraclius says
“Popes” like this one usually ended up in the Tiber.
Carolyne says
I was raised a Christian, although I am now an Atheist. However, I do remember that the Christian Holy family was Jewish so in order to be like today’s jihadist “Refugees” they would have to kill themselves since that is the Islamic creed. Even the rocks call out to Muslims when a Jew is hiding, “A Jew is hiding behind me, kill him.”
I don’t know how Catholics can tolerate this Pope. He obviously is not learned in the Christian bible or philosophy but seems to have gotten his dose of “One World” theology.
Peggy says
This Pope’s been turned.
Alice says
Pffft! Mary and Joseph were on a business trip. They had to go to be counted for a tax. They had every intention of returning to Nazareth, but were threatened by the king, and so fled to Egypt TEMPORARILY. They took gold, frankincense, and myrrh with them, showing that they had means to support themselves, as well as Joseph’s very portable carpentry skills.
Unlike today’s “migrants”, they had every intention of returning home, which they did.
Manuele says
I SAY THAT WHAT POPE FRANCIS HAS FAILED TO SAY IS THE REASON WHY JESUS WAS A MIGRANT. “AWAY TO SAFETY TO AVOID BEING MURDERED BY KING HEROD. AND WHO ARE THE HERODS OF AMONGST THIS DAY AND AGE MIGRANTS? (MODERN MIGRANTS) “THE MUSLIM MURDERERS”
J says
Must watch
No Virgins: Muslims Revived From Death Tell Chilling Truth Of Allah And Islam
http://debatepost.com/2016/12/09/no-virgins-muslims-revived-from-death-tell-chilling-truth-of-allah-and-islam/
Jesus Christ to these people are their saviour