Saudi Arabia is not a genuine ally of the United States. It is a chief financier of the global jihad. This is not a matter of the US/Saudi alliance needing to be “repaired.” There is no actual alliance in the first place.
“Saudi Arabia Caught Red-Handed Funding US Enemies In Afghanistan,” by Saagar Enjeti, Daily Caller, October 26, 2016:
The Taliban’s former financial minister regularly traveled to Saudi Arabia to raise millions of dollars, The New York Times reports.
After the U.S. invasion in 2001, finance minister Agha Jan Motasim fled to Pakistan to establish the still de-facto headquarters of the Taliban terrorist movement. Motasim told TheNYT he went to Saudi Arabia two or three times a year to raise millions of dollars in donations, traveling under the the guise of religious pilgrimage.
“It was not only the Saudis who would help us but people who would come from different countries,” Motasim said. “Saudi Arabia was the only country where I could meet them.” Motasim them moved the money to Afghanistan in a variety of ways, including smuggling solid gold bars into the country.
“When I was in government, not a single penny went to the Taliban,” former Saudi intelligence official and Saudi ambassador to the U.S., Prince Turki al-Faisal, protested to TheNYT.
The source of the funding is a major point of tension between Western-backed governments and Saudi Arabia. While the Saudi Arabian government may not directly fund terrorist organizations, its citizens remain some of terrorism’s largest financial backers. The government makes little effort to crack down on its citizens, and continues to allow dubious characters to use its territory to build financial terror networks.
“Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide,” former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a 2009 paper released by Wikileaks. Clinton lamented the “ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist funds emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority.”…

American Pragmatism says
Saudi Arabia is certainly not an ally of the USA.
Bill says
They are the enemy, but we have too much of our oil interests tied to them. So we play along. If we were to drill our own oil, it might be more expensive, but that could be offset by defense expenditures used to coddle Saudi Arabi, fight their surrogates and contain their mischief across the globe.
Christianblood says
Saudi Arabia+Taliban+Al-Qaeda+Al-Nusrafront+Muslimbrotherhood+
The free Syrian army=ISIS. Also, ISIS+Taliban+Saudi Arabia=Islam
Angemon says
Funny how you always grant genocidal suicidal Iran a free pass. It’s almost as if you have an agenda to push or something and reserve criticism of muslim majority nations exclusively to those aligned with Washington while granting those aligned with Moscow a free pass…
Suspicious, very suspicious…
Christianblood says
Angemon
I believe Shiite Iran and Shiite muslims in general are not as dangerous as barbaric Sunni Wahhabist jihadists such Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and others, who are all at one point or another allied with US and the West and still are. As we speak, there is a frantic work going in the US and the West to make some kind of a “cease fire” and save the barbaric islamic jihadists allied with the US and the West who are trapped in Aleppo by the Syrian Army. And let us remember dozens of Shiites are being murdered by the global Takfiri Salafi Sunni jihadists every week, the same global jihadists who are murdering other peoples all across the world. The Iranian people, are the most civilized, the smartest and the most cultured people anywhere in the world and you cannot compare them with Arabs and especially with the barbaric, hateful and head-chopping Saudis and Pakis etc who are allied with the West and by the way, the Iranian regime is actually made in America. Read it below:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36431160
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Angemon
I believe Shiite Iran and Shiite muslims in general are not as dangerous as barbaric Sunni Wahhabist jihadists”
Then you’re either an idiot to the point of borderline retardation or a huge liar. And I’m going to go with “liar”, seeing how not only you’ve ran apologia for Iran, the number one terrorism-sponsoring state in the word, you also make yourself scarce when there’s an article about the persecution of Christians in Iran.
Anyway, try telling the gay that are hung from construction cranes in Iran, to the joy of roaring crowds, that Iran isn’t as barbaric as Saudi Arabia. Iran, where the law is literally “an eye for an eye”. Iran, who sponsors all kinds of terror groups, including sunni terror groups.
“such Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and others, who are all at one point or another allied with US and the West and still are.”
And that’s the criteria you use to decide what islam you oppose – whether they’re aligned with Washington or Moscow. You spit vitriol at anything aligned with Washington while singing praise for anything aligned with Moscow. You’re not a counter-jihadi. You’re not a Christian. You’re just a sad little person who is paid to sing the praise of barbaric murderers.
“As we speak, there is a frantic work going in the US and the West to make some kind of a “cease fire” and save the barbaric islamic jihadists allied with the US and the West who are trapped in Aleppo by the Syrian Army.”
Citation needed. Even if that was the case, that’s totally irrelevant for what I asked you, isn’t it? Terribly obvious diversionary tactics.
“And let us remember dozens of Shiites are being murdered by the global Takfiri Salafi Sunni jihadists every week, the same global jihadists who are murdering other peoples all across the world.”
Muslims killing muslims – whoever loses, non-muslims win. Of course, the implication here is that shiites aren’t going around killing sunnis or non-muslims. Well…
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/pakistan-top-shia-cleric-arrested-for-involvement-in-targeted-killings-of-sunni-clerics
“The Iranian people, are the most civilized, the smartest and the most cultured people anywhere in the world and you cannot compare them with Arabs and especially with the barbaric, hateful and head-chopping Saudis and Pakis etc who are allied with the West and by the way, the Iranian regime is actually made in America.”
Oh, this is just so pathetic and desperate I don’t know whether to laugh or pat you in the head and feel sorry for you. Apparently, the “most civilized, the smartest and the most cultured people anywhere in the world” (BTW, you have no sense of national pride, do you?) keep electing, over and over, a regime whose stated goal is to nuke Israel off the map. The people you call the “most civilized, the smartest and the most cultured people anywhere in the world” are the people who used children to clear minefields:
http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/ahmadinejads-world
These are the people you’re running apologia for. While there are indeed wonderful Iranian individuals – polite, cultured, wonderful people, etc. – the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of the Iran population is muslim. And not just muslim, shiite twelvers. I wouldn’t trust a muslim, shiite twelver, sunni wahabi, or any other denomination, as far as I could throw them. And yet, here you are on Jihad Watch, looking down on the rest of us, waving your finger around, and telling us that the people who wrapped their children in blankets and sent them to roll over mines are civilized, wonderful people while the people who didn’t send their children to roll over mines are barbaric, terrible people.
Do you see the problem there? And not only you sing the praises of the Iranians, you do so while trying to blame the very regime you also sang praise for – a regime who was the result of another KGB f***up – on the US. See the problem there? Trying to smile and claim that the Iranian regime is much better than the Saudi regime while
at the same time trying to roar in rage about how the terrible Iranian regime is the fault of the US.
Who, exactly, are you trying to fool? And why?
Christianblood says
Angemon
My words are not the about the anti-semitic Iranian regime (which is a regime made in America as documented bellow by the BBC) but the Iranian people. By the way, have you ever known and interacted with Iranian people?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36431160
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“Angemon
My words are not the about the anti-semitic Iranian regime (which is a regime made in America as documented bellow by the BBC)”
Nope. You keep repeating that but, as I’ve demonstrated several times in the past, that claim is false. The Iranian Revolution was a teaming up between Soviet spies, Iranian Communists and Iranian muslim zealots, with the zealots being considered “fellow travellers”. Then Khomeini won the popular support, round up the spies and collaborators and had them shot. That much was confirmed by KGB defectors, so you might want to take your complains to them.
“but the Iranian people.”
OK, so let’s see if I understand your logic: you’re not talking about the Iranian regime, with its cries of “Death to America! Death to Israel” that’s been voted into power for decades now, but about the people who hear those cries and keep voting them in. Because, apparently, the regime that oppresses women, kills gays and promotes terrorism all over the world is apparently completely unrelated to the “most civilized, the smartest and the most cultured people anywhere in the world” that have been electing it for decades now. I guess those millions and millions of votes, election after election, must materialize out of nowhere…
By the way, you recently wrote this:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/obama-if-we-act-like-this-is-war-between-us-and-islam-were-going-to-lose-more-americans-to-terrorist-attacks#comment-1569509
Why is it that this logic of yours is only applicable to the US? Why is it that, according to you, the blame of whatever it is you were accusing Obama off is to be pinned on those who voted for him but when it comes to Iran you insist in separating the regime from the people that have been voting it into place in the past (nearly) 40 years?
“By the way, have you ever known and interacted with Iranian people?”
Ah, the good old “I know a nice muslim” fallacy. Replace “Iranian people” with “muslims” and you get what SJWs – and leftards in general – say when they’re busy white-knighting muslims and acting on their Saviour Complex. Does my implied and alleged lack of interaction with Iranians somehow devalues what I said about the Iranian regime? Of course not. But to answer to your question, yes, I have indeed interacted with Iranians. Mostly expats and ex-muslims. And let me tell you, if you were to hear half of the things they say about their countrymen, you’d think them to be mad and dangerous.
My turn now – have *you* ever dealt with Iranians? If not, I recommend you to at least watch Anny Cyrus’s videos, which can be found here on Jihad Watch, where she talks about her life under sharia law in Iran – how she was married off as a child, her subsequent abuse, her filing for divorce and how she escaped from it all. Go listen to her story, go hear the stories about what Iranian Christians and Zoroastrians had to endure from their neighbours, then come back to me and explain me how they’re all those people are wrong and that Iranians are the “most civilized, the smartest and the most cultured people anywhere in the world“…
gravenimage says
“Christianblood” has ludicrously claimed that the Mullahs are “made in America” before, since dhimmi Carter was willing at one point to negotiate with them.
But he wants it both ways–condemning Iran as “American” when it suits his purposes, and lauding them them as allies of Russia at other times.
Most appalling of all is his whitewash of Iran’s persecutions of Christians.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“Most appalling of all is his whitewash of Iran’s persecutions of Christians.”
Especially given that CB claims to be a Christian minister.
Christianblood says
gravenimage
There are churches in Iran there are also hindu,sikh, bahai and jewish worship centers in Iran and my question for you is: could the same be said in saudi arabia? Do you even know that all religions other than the sunni wahhabi/salafist jihadist islam is totally illegal in saudi arabia? why don’t you see that the US,UK and other Western governments are in bed with such an evil entity? 15 saudi arabian jihadists motivated and supported by the genocidal jihadist islam practiced in saudi arabia murdered 3000 innocent Americans on a single day and yet the victims of 9/11 jihad attacks cannot even sue the saudis! What a shame!!!!!!!!! This is mind-boggling!!!!
And you are not outraged at that!!! What a shame!!! What a weakness!!!! What an outrageous WEAKNESS!!!
Angemon says
Christianblood posted:
“gravenimage
There are churches in Iran ”
Until they’re closed and the people who frequented them are arrested in their homes for the “crime” of practising their religion behind closed doors. Are you not keeping up with the news?
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/islamic-republic-of-iran-detains-dozens-of-converts-to-christianity
Oh, that’s right – when it comes to Iranian persecution of Christians you make yourself scarce. Because Iran is aligned with Moscow. Were it the other way around – if Tehran was aligned with Washington while Riyadh was aligned with Moscow – I suspect you’d be singing the praises of the Two Holy Towns and the Arab people while excoriating the ayatollahs and Persians alike while people like gravenimage or myself would have exactly the same stance we have now: as far as infidels are concerned, Saudi Arabia or Iran, sunni or shia, islam is all alike.
“my question for you is: could the same be said in saudi arabia?”
What does Saudi Arabia have to do with the persecution of Christians in Iran? In any case, yes I susoect anyone could go to Saudi Arabia and say “the same” 😉
“Do you even know that all religions other than the sunni wahhabi/salafist jihadist islam is totally illegal in saudi arabia? ”
I suspect GI knows that. Now, what do the internal policies of Saudi Arabia have to do with the persecution of Christians in Iran? A persecution on the grounds of their religion you have yet to address, let alone condemn.
“And you are not outraged at that!!! ”
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. Find me one instance of GI speaking fondly of 9/11. I dare you. Bet you won’t. Because it doesn’t exist. And you, who have repeatedly spoke ill of Westerners, going as far as to say that the West deserves to taste the fruit of islam and that the Western victims of jihad deserved what they got, have no right to talk about the victims of 9/11, especially when you desecrate their memory by using them as a tool to wave against a staunch anti-jihadist like gravenimage. If there’s someone here who is shameless, weak and cowardly, it is you, the ghoul who feeds on the dead. The soulless troll who pretends to be a Christian while ignoring the plight of actual, genuine Christians because of political reasons. The pathetic, feeble-minded dhimmi who defends the number-one terrorism sponsoring state in the world – Iran – and vomits vitriol against the people actually opposing jihad while pretending to be a counter-jihadi himself.
Tell me troll, is your soul worth the paycheck?
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/10/08/8-oct-16-world-view-reader-comments-questions-syria-russia-russian-trolls/
gravenimage says
Christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
There are churches in Iran there are also hindu,sikh, bahai and jewish worship centers in Iran and my question for you is: could the same be said in saudi arabia? Do you even know that all religions other than the sunni wahhabi/salafist jihadist islam is totally illegal in saudi arabia?
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Of course I know this–and I condemn it regularly.
Anti-Jihadists *do not* whitewash Iran for persecuting Christians, since some aspects of it are marginally less hideous than what is going on in other parts of Dar-al-Islam.
In just the same way, I am not going to whitewash the horror of what is going on in Saudi Arabia, because aspects of it are marginally less hideous than what is going on in the Islamic State.
Anti-Jihadists condemn Islamic savagery *wherever* they find it.
More:
why don’t you see that the US,UK and other Western governments are in bed with such an evil entity? 15 saudi arabian jihadists motivated and supported by the genocidal jihadist islam practiced in saudi arabia murdered 3000 innocent Americans on a single day and yet the victims of 9/11 jihad attacks cannot even sue the saudis! What a shame!!!!!!!!! This is mind-boggling!!!!
And you are not outraged at that!!! What a shame!!! What a weakness!!!! What an outrageous WEAKNESS!!!
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The above is, of course, utter bullsh*t. I regularly condemn the West–including my own government–for foolishly considering Saudi Arabia to be an ally–in fact, I have done so on this very thread.
I cannot believe that you are unaware of this–rather, it appears that you hope that others here are unaware of it.
I condemn all Jihad savagery, and feel no need to whitewash it. Will you do the same? Do you have a problem with Iran persecuting Christians, as in this recent story:
“Islamic Republic of Iran detains dozens of converts to Christianity”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/islamic-republic-of-iran-detains-dozens-of-converts-to-christianity
I hope you are decent enough to condemn this persecution–but I won’t be holding my breath, of course.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Angemon. Fine post.
Angemon says
😉
Christianblood says
America is deeply involved Saudi-Arabia’s Wahhabi jihadist wars both in Syria and in Yemen!
Baucent says
Full disclosure buddy, are you a muslim?
gravenimage says
He’s a Russian apologist, who has many times here said that he wants to see America and the rest of the West fall to Muslim conquest.
He hates the free West far more than he does Jihad.
Custos Custodum says
Saudis need to be reminded that they exist at our sufferance.
Saudi-funded diplomats and other compromised government officials, media people and academics need to be dealt with severely. Existing laws on lobbying, taxation of foreign assets etc. should suffice to get started.
Yorkshire Kufir says
Gasp! I am so surprised!
1. That Saudi Arabia is a major source of islamist funding
2 That the Islamist govt of Saudi Arabia ignores) funding of islamists. abroad.
3. That Islamist supporters are supported by islamist monarchies
4 Bloodshed in countries not subject to the right islamist ideals are irrelevant.
Michael says
We must crank up our domestic oil production and refining capabilities. Then the saudis can go and drink their blankety blank blanking oil!
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Yup. Scientists recently announced that a ‘new’ oil field in Texas contains about three times the amount of shale crude than exists in the bakken field. And the bakken field is huge. I would opine that we have just as much oil here as they have there. The part that is missing is our refining capacity (as you clearly stated).
ibrahim itace muhammed says
are saudi royal family not jews?alqaeda, taliban and isis belong to wahhabism founded by a jew called abdulwahhab.this is the basis for alliance between saudi arabia and israel to maintain isis whose leader is baghadadi(elliot) a jew and mossad agent.saudi govt provide finance while mossad coadinate the operations of these terrorist groups.this is how 9/11 attack was carried out by mossad through alqaeda.this is how it is.take it or reject.cia knew the masterminder,but decided to play blame game on muslims and stupid american christians believed it.
VultureTX says
Mossad was your father and even your mother was a jew who gave you up to some poor muslim.
/loos of face in muslims makes the blame game such an automatic response they can’t even admit they are irrational.
P2 says
You have been drinking too much kool-aid. Or your iman has.
Custos Custodum says
So you are Persian, Ibe? Twelver Shia?
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
You are coocoo for Cocoa Puffs, you are.
gravenimage says
The ludicrous Muslim apologist ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
are (sic) saudi (sic) royal family not jews (sic)?
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No, they are Muslims, just like muhammed here.
More:
alqaeda, (sic) taliban (sic) and isis (sic) belong to wahhabism (sic) founded by a jew (sic) called abdulwahhab.
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Wahhabism is perfectly mainstream Islam. Notice that muhammed here does not note in what way this is not orthodox Islam.
More:
this (this) is the basis for alliance between saudi (sic) arabia (sic) and israel (sic) to maintain isis (sic) whose leader is baghadadi(elliot) (sic) a jew and mossad (sic) agent.saudi (sic) govt (sic) provide finance while mossad (sic) coadinate (sic) the operations of these terrorist groups.this (sic) is how 9/11 attack was carried out by mossad (sic) through alqaeda.this (sic) is how it is.take (sic) it or reject.cia (sic) knew the masterminder,but (sic) decided to play blame game on muslims (sic) and stupid american (sic) christians (sic) believed it.
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What a load of Taqiyya. The fact is that Muslims were dancing in the streets after 9/11–why would this be the case if this were pulled off the hated Joooooos?
There have been almost 30,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11–were they all pulled off by “mossad” as well?
By this “reasoning”–God knows, I use the term loosely here–the “Prophet” Muhammed must have been a “Jew”, as well, since he was the model for all Jihad terror attacks.
Expat88 says
Ibrahim:
I lived in the Middle East for almost three decades and I got so weary of listening to conspiracy theories like the ones that you are spouting. One thing I learned is that some people can never accept responsibility for anything and they have to blame it on others. This actually contributes to mental illness when you consistently do that kind of behavior. You must maintain a clear adherence to reality to stay mentally fit.
bernie says
Ibrahim: Saudi Wahabist discrimination and persecution against Shiite Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and elsewhere is based on the Wahabist idea that Shiites are really quasi-Jews who have become tainted with Talmudic concepts.
gravenimage says
True, Bernie–Musliims accuse each other of being “Jews” all the time–it is the all-purpose Muslim “insult”.
The absurdity, of course, is that Jews are more civilized than pious Muslims could ever be.
DFD says
My, what a stunning surprise! Who could have thought about that? Who, do I ask. Amazing, just amazing.
Walter Sieruk says
Even through many governmental officials in Saudi Arabia as well as many non -government wealthy Muslims who are citizens in this Islamic nation of Saudi Arabia may well have unofficially funded the brutal, cruel and murderous Muslim jihadists who compose the Taliban ,none of those Saudi’s who support the Taliban or the Taliban themselves will escape the punishment they deserve in the wicked Islamic alliance. For it is written in the Bible ” Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished…” Proverbs 1:21 [K.J.V.]
Angemon says
Well, imagine my surprise…
Maybe not openly and officially through official Saudi government channels, and so you can claim innocence, but that was not the claim that was made. Motasim said that he met with Saudis and non-Saudi muslims in Saudi Arabia and that he got millions in donations from them. While I would usually need a bucket of salt to take anything the likes of him says at face value, I can’t think of a way he’d benefit by lying about this particular matter, so I’m going to assume he’s speaking the truth until evidence to the contrary. Even if the funding didn’t came from the Saudi government itself, I find it very had to believe that such huge amounts of money were moved in and out of Saudi Arabia without the knowledge of the Saudi government.
Whether or not the Saudi government finances islamic terror groups worldwide, either they turn a blind eye to those individuals in Saudi Arabia who do so, thus making them accomplices, or incompetent to the point of not being able to rule over an open sewer, let alone a country. And the house of Saud has been in power for quite some time now, so…
gravenimage says
Saudi Arabia caught funding Taliban in Afghanistan
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As Robert Spencer notes, these Jihadist-enabling thugs are no allies of ours, and never have been.
sidney penny says
“Saudi Arabia is not a genuine ally of the United States.”
neither is Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia supports Pakistan as well.
gravenimage says
You are right about Pakistan, Sidney.